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Speaker 1: Throughout the course of the next hour, we'll be diving
Speaker 1: into Mike McCarthy will be diving into the linebacker situation,
Speaker 1: and then we'll also have a special guest. We'll look
Speaker 1: a little bit different in that final segment. Patrick Creighton,
Speaker 1: former Cowboys wide receiver, joins us, a good friend of
Speaker 1: Isaiah stand Back, our resident Super Bowl champion and Isaiah,
Speaker 1: I don't know you've got You've got some trash talking
Speaker 1: to do after some bowling last night, so I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to that. But alongside Isaiah, you got myself, Kyle
Speaker 1: Yeoman's Rob Phillips, heck my Harrison. We're glad to be
Speaker 1: with you and guys before we kind of dive in
Speaker 1: and get into the Dallas Cowboys, which we're gonna have
Speaker 1: plenty of. Like I said, Mike McCarthy, linebackers. We've got
Speaker 1: plenty of cowboys to dive into. I wanted to address
Speaker 1: something really quickly, and much like all of you who
Speaker 1: are probably listening or watching this podcast, either live or
Speaker 1: after it's recorded, you're just like me. You come to
Speaker 1: these podcasts for a little bit of a distraction. You
Speaker 1: come to hear about the Dallas Cowboys, you come to
Speaker 1: get away from the world. And I promise you'll get
Speaker 1: all of that, but that'll come in about five minutes.
Speaker 1: But first, we simply wouldn't be human if we didn't
Speaker 1: take a second to speak from the heart about some
Speaker 1: of the events that have tired over the past couple
Speaker 1: of days. And I wanted to start things out by
Speaker 1: saying I have family and law enforcement. I pray for
Speaker 1: them every single day because of how dangerous and how
Speaker 1: unpredictable that their job could be throughout the course of
Speaker 1: any given day, over the course of their career, and
Speaker 1: what they choose to do for a living. But now
Speaker 1: also because of just a select few people, a very
Speaker 1: select few people that are also in that line of business,
Speaker 1: I also have to pray for friends of mine, and
Speaker 1: this is something that I've been really thinking about over
Speaker 1: the last couple of days. But They're not necessarily people
Speaker 1: that I'm friends that I'm praying about because they have
Speaker 1: dangerous jobs, or because they're maybe in front lines of
Speaker 1: a potential pandemic that's been serving our country or our
Speaker 1: world over the last couple of weeks, but rather because
Speaker 1: they also have to go out into their daily worlds,
Speaker 1: whether they're going on a job or they're going elsewhere,
Speaker 1: fearing for their life just because of the color of
Speaker 1: their own skin, because of the way that they're perceived
Speaker 1: by a different race. And in a country that's founded
Speaker 1: on its principles of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,
Speaker 1: that's not what that is. All three of those things
Speaker 1: are not into the definition of what I just named,
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, all of these
Speaker 1: protests that are happening throughout our country and even throughout
Speaker 1: the world in some parts, it's not about black versus white.
Speaker 1: It's not about cops or citizens. It's not about democrat
Speaker 1: or Republican. It's about finally seeing each other as God's children,
Speaker 1: and if you're not religious, if you're not religious at all,
Speaker 1: just seeing each other as humans. And that's kind of
Speaker 1: the biggest thing. It's to end racism finally, and get
Speaker 1: rid of all of those voices that have been crying
Speaker 1: out for years and years by hearing those voices first.
Speaker 1: And that's what these all are about, so that no
Speaker 1: man or woman should have to live in fear solely
Speaker 1: because of the color of their skin. I just really
Speaker 1: wanted to say that, if you're still listening, thank you
Speaker 1: for sticking around. I hope you speak out as well.
Speaker 1: It's really scary for me as somebody who doesn't know
Speaker 1: that struggle and doesn't always talk about their political beliefs
Speaker 1: on air. I don't. I try and stay away from
Speaker 1: it as much as possible on air, but we live
Speaker 1: in crucial time. Secmo. Yeah, Kyle, I think what you
Speaker 1: said was was spot on. I appreciate that what you said.
Speaker 1: You know, I am just like everybody else when I've been,
Speaker 1: you know, staring at my television watching a lot of
Speaker 1: this unfold, and I just want to be completely blunt
Speaker 1: and honest with you. The Floyd death was heartbreaking. It
Speaker 1: was heartbreaking to see that play out over and over
Speaker 1: and over and over again over the last week. It
Speaker 1: breaks my heart as an African American. But I realized
Speaker 1: and just having this platform, I think it's very important
Speaker 1: that we address this issue and say something about it.
Speaker 1: And I believe that there's a perception problem. You know,
Speaker 1: I want her the term, you know, perception is reality.
Speaker 1: But guys, a lot of times, as an African American,
Speaker 1: your perception isn't my reality. And those are the things
Speaker 1: that we need to gather and talk about how you
Speaker 1: perceive African Americans. If I'm walking in and a parking
Speaker 1: lot and there's a you know, white woman ahead of
Speaker 1: me that rushes to her car to lock her doors
Speaker 1: because she thinks that I'm going to do something to her,
Speaker 1: that's not the perception. I'm just walking to my car.
Speaker 1: And it's not my responsibility as an American to make
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable about walking to your car, walking into
Speaker 1: an elevator with you, and making you be say hello,
Speaker 1: how are you, and be extra nice to you so
Speaker 1: you feel disarmed by my presence. That's not what's That's
Speaker 1: not what I'm gonna do. I'm an American, I'm a
Speaker 1: taxpaying citizen just like everyone else. I expect to be
Speaker 1: treated fairly. I expect for my children to grow up
Speaker 1: in an environment where they don't have I don't have
Speaker 1: to worry about their life, but that's not the reality
Speaker 1: of the city. And so this perception that people have,
Speaker 1: and especially when it comes down to law enforcement, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to paint this with a broad brush,
Speaker 1: because it is police brutality that needs to be talked about,
Speaker 1: and the perception that I could possibly be an enemy
Speaker 1: to them is something that we all need to sit
Speaker 1: down and we could talk about. It is who we're
Speaker 1: blue in the face, but there are policies and things
Speaker 1: that need to change to that regard so that we
Speaker 1: feel protected just like every other citizen. Yeah, heck, I know.
Speaker 1: I'm always very outspoken when it comes to divide and
Speaker 1: when it comes to mistreatment, abuse of power, all those
Speaker 1: social issues. I am never want to be quiet. So
Speaker 1: I shared something on my personal page, on my Instagram
Speaker 1: page on Facebook the other day. And I'm usually really
Speaker 1: strategic when I decide to speak, because it's hard to
Speaker 1: really channel emotions um that that you that you that
Speaker 1: you feel that you take on at a response of
Speaker 1: seeing something like we all saw um you know, you
Speaker 1: know the other the other week. And unfortunately, this isn't
Speaker 1: the first time that we're seeing these things. Unfortunately, this
Speaker 1: isn't the first time that these things are happening. They've
Speaker 1: been happening for a long time. So, um, as I
Speaker 1: mentioned before my personal page, these actions that you're seeing
Speaker 1: from like like like how I said a select few,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's built up, right, It's built up. It's
Speaker 1: been accruing for years. UM. I have it, others have it.
Speaker 1: You know, it really depends on on how mature you
Speaker 1: are or how you decide to UM. I can't say
Speaker 1: that one one way of of of releasing your your
Speaker 1: anger is better than the other. Right, I can't say that,
Speaker 1: because emotions are emotions. But you know, I choose one route,
Speaker 1: others choose another. But I've seen these things happen, right,
Speaker 1: I've seen it in the neighborhood that I grew up,
Speaker 1: and I've seen the abuse of power. I've been profiled
Speaker 1: more times and I could even sit here and tell
Speaker 1: you I've been followed. My family has been followed. I've
Speaker 1: been pulled over. I've had to have these conversations with
Speaker 1: my daughter, asked to you because of how she looks,
Speaker 1: this is what goes on. I've had to have conversations
Speaker 1: with the school board. Why don't you recognize the African
Speaker 1: American History Month. Why is that? Oh? The response, Oh,
Speaker 1: we just didn't think about it, right, So there's so
Speaker 1: many things that have to be peeled back. Um, Cole,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time. I've received many phone calls,
Speaker 1: many text messages from from others that don't look like me, right,
Speaker 1: UM and um and just expressing um after viewing my video,
Speaker 1: expressing just there their sincere heartache. Um. You know, a
Speaker 1: neighbors bringing stuff over and just just sharing that it's important. Right.
Speaker 1: We need people to speak up, We need people to
Speaker 1: go out and vote. Right. There's a lot of things
Speaker 1: going on right now. Right now, there's the thing on
Speaker 1: social media saying blackout right, blackout Tuesday. Hey, listen, I'm
Speaker 1: all for certain things. However, let's not be let's not
Speaker 1: be silly. And I think that you know that that
Speaker 1: there's there's not initiatives on the back in our people
Speaker 1: that are putting things out there that they're they're all
Speaker 1: for the same mission. They're not. There's blackout Tuesday just
Speaker 1: so happens to be on the same day that there's
Speaker 1: a primary election going on today in Pennsylvania, a DC,
Speaker 1: New Mexico. So in other states, let's not let's not
Speaker 1: be fod and think that this is just happening so
Speaker 1: cause and let's all right for it. Let's let's let's
Speaker 1: take a step back, take emotion out of it, do
Speaker 1: your research, do your homework, and let's make some strategic
Speaker 1: decisions that we've all come together. I'm angry that there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are angry. Um, let's just
Speaker 1: be you know, let's be smart about how we respond
Speaker 1: to these things. UM. I can't tell people how to
Speaker 1: how to respond, but we can. We can have this.
Speaker 1: This could take a whole hour, and so let's um,
Speaker 1: let's cut it there. I just I just uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we're tired of it. I can tell you I'm tired
Speaker 1: of it. Emotionally drained and um you know, I pray
Speaker 1: and and and hope that we can get through this
Speaker 1: and get beyond this. But there's gonna These are generational
Speaker 1: curses that we have to break in. We have to
Speaker 1: start now. I totally agree with what you guys said
Speaker 1: as well said. And you know, for me as a
Speaker 1: new dad, when I'm reading about George Floyd over the weekend,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know that, you know, he has a
Speaker 1: six year old daughter that lives in Texas and as
Speaker 1: a new father, it's like it's haunting to think about
Speaker 1: how she's got to grow up living with how her
Speaker 1: father died publicly, and it's it's just it's heartbreaking. As
Speaker 1: Heckma said, it's wrong and something's got to change. And
Speaker 1: you guys said it so well. I mean, as Kyle
Speaker 1: said earlier, it's it's not just a challenge for the
Speaker 1: African American community, it's it's this is a human issue.
Speaker 1: This is something everyone who's got a moral compass should
Speaker 1: look at and say something absolutely has to change. And
Speaker 1: you know people out there trying to affect change peacefully
Speaker 1: and in the past few days, and I stand with
Speaker 1: that cause because it's it's definitely needed in our society.
Speaker 1: We're better than this, very well said by each one
Speaker 1: of you, and it's just time to move on from
Speaker 1: racism and to finally look at each other for what's
Speaker 1: on the inside rather than what's on the outside. Now,
Speaker 1: that's it. We're gonna put it in the review mirror.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk some cowboys. Now, we're gonna move on
Speaker 1: and dive in because there's still plenty to get to.
Speaker 1: Even though it is the first week of June. Guys.
Speaker 1: First off, it's June second, which is just wild to me.
Speaker 1: The fact that we're already in the sixth month of
Speaker 1: the year and we're already just kind of barreling toward
Speaker 1: what training camp could be here in the next month
Speaker 1: and a half. We're about six weeks away from the
Speaker 1: scheduled start of training camp, and Mike McCarthy had a
Speaker 1: chance to talk about what training camp could potentially look at.
Speaker 1: He had a conference call this past week with the
Speaker 1: media of the Dallas Fort Worth area and Rob, you
Speaker 1: were on that conference call. What were some of the
Speaker 1: highlights that you kind of took away from that call
Speaker 1: and we're able to at least dive into what this
Speaker 1: virtual offseason looks like. Well, he was. Mike McCarthy was
Speaker 1: pretty candid in that he wouldn't flat out say, look,
Speaker 1: I feel like we're behind, because every other team in
Speaker 1: the league is in the same situation. But he's realistic
Speaker 1: about the fact that if they were able to have
Speaker 1: a normal offseason, they probably would be far ahead of
Speaker 1: where they are right now. It's just the nature of things.
Speaker 1: One thing I thought it was interesting is the way
Speaker 1: he's approached this, he talked about just relying on his
Speaker 1: own instincts and experience because he really doesn't have it
Speaker 1: despite being a head coach in the league for almost
Speaker 1: twenty years. But one thing he's done with the virtual
Speaker 1: program is kind of reverse things. And he started off
Speaker 1: having players in position meetings right off the bat, diving
Speaker 1: into schematic material and getting caught up with the volume
Speaker 1: of that, which is it's more of a challenge for
Speaker 1: a team like this because it's new. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of new stuff and more of the big picture stuff
Speaker 1: saved that for later. Let's just get ahead, start and
Speaker 1: get as fast as quickly as we can get acclimated
Speaker 1: this for when we can't get back together. Isaiah, that
Speaker 1: seemed like it was kind of flipped a little bit,
Speaker 1: but he felt like the volume there that they have
Speaker 1: to absorb, especially younger players rookies coming into league, it
Speaker 1: was important to get right into it with the position
Speaker 1: groups and get going. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean yeah, I
Speaker 1: just doubled back up and gets shooted over to you. Heck, no,
Speaker 1: it's and that is the most important thing. And I'm
Speaker 1: glad that he took the time to mention and that
Speaker 1: that's where the focus is because that is where the
Speaker 1: weight of this offseason really lays right now, It really
Speaker 1: really lies. And the amount of information I wish I
Speaker 1: could show you guys a playbook right now, but the
Speaker 1: amount of information that has to be consumed during this
Speaker 1: period of time with the new with a new staff
Speaker 1: and a new system, is it's a lot. It is insurmountable.
Speaker 1: And and and these guys really needed to dive directly
Speaker 1: into that because there's there's a there's a classroom aspect, right.
Speaker 1: There's classroom where you where you sit up there and
Speaker 1: you're studying, and you're and you're in you're consuming information,
Speaker 1: hundreds of plays per day, right, and you're just digesting that.
Speaker 1: You're just just old school board work, right. And then
Speaker 1: there's an application side of things, right, And so you
Speaker 1: go from the classroom, you do a little film study,
Speaker 1: and then you go straight to the field and you
Speaker 1: apply it. And that's what really makes it stick. That's
Speaker 1: what really makes it resonate with you and allows for
Speaker 1: you to really digest it it so that you can
Speaker 1: then move on. Right. So the issue that I see
Speaker 1: that these guys that the Cowboys an't going to encounter
Speaker 1: is they're having a classroom sessions, right, they're having they
Speaker 1: probably have some film sessions that they have homework to do,
Speaker 1: but they don't have the application side. So how much
Speaker 1: is this is really going to resonate and going to
Speaker 1: stick with them when they actually get a chance to
Speaker 1: touch the field. They're going to be doing a lot
Speaker 1: of doubling back, tripling back, just to go over basic
Speaker 1: information that like, like you guys really mentioned, Rob, they
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to be trying to go over at this
Speaker 1: point in time and to see offseason. Yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: it was very I thought it's very interesting to hear
Speaker 1: him point out the fact that, you know, offensively, they
Speaker 1: were going to try to remain with a lot of
Speaker 1: the same terminology just so that guys would be familiar
Speaker 1: with with you know, with those terms. He knows that
Speaker 1: you know, in this whole new code of nineteen America
Speaker 1: that these things are these are very interesting times and
Speaker 1: the whole teaching method, not only for Mike McCarthy before
Speaker 1: the league, has had to change and so making sure
Speaker 1: that he's up to date with the times, and it's
Speaker 1: very important. He talked about climate control and just dealing
Speaker 1: with the climate that you're in, and I thought that
Speaker 1: was very important for him to say, and also his research,
Speaker 1: his data mining, his old R and D stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: how many meetings would they have had up until this point,
Speaker 1: how many practices would they have had up until this point?
Speaker 1: And Rob, you're right, he feel short of just saying
Speaker 1: we're behind right now, you know, but he knows he
Speaker 1: knows that everybody else is behind as well. And so
Speaker 1: it's a very unique challenge for all coaches, but especially
Speaker 1: him being a new coach and wanting to implement his system.
Speaker 1: He said he didn't have a way to have like
Speaker 1: ninety boxes on his computer so that he could address
Speaker 1: everyone at one time. So that's probably why he was
Speaker 1: doing the everything in the group setting. But making sure
Speaker 1: that he introduced himself to his players and let them
Speaker 1: know that he's available at this point is the best
Speaker 1: he can do. But as far as the teaching part
Speaker 1: of it, he's leaving a lot of that up to
Speaker 1: his position guys, making sure that they're able to regurgitate
Speaker 1: the information that they're receiving, testing these guys to make
Speaker 1: sure that they're getting I think, you know, look, with
Speaker 1: everybody being in the same barrel, I'm sure Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: is looking forward to the opportunity to actually see and
Speaker 1: greet his guys. Well, we're also in a transition period.
Speaker 1: We're going from one offense to another offense, Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: of course being the offensive coordinator for both. But this
Speaker 1: is still going to be a little bit of a
Speaker 1: new look because Mike McCarthy has his hands over this
Speaker 1: offense and Isaiah you kind of talked about the application
Speaker 1: side of the process. You have this all digestion and
Speaker 1: then you finally have a chance to apply it. It's
Speaker 1: almost like your tests and your studying in college and
Speaker 1: then you actually go out and do it for a
Speaker 1: job later on for following graduation. You don't get that
Speaker 1: just yet. There's a little bit of a space in between.
Speaker 1: But how important is that application process? It's huge? I
Speaker 1: mean I think, I mean, I'll take everybody back to school, right,
Speaker 1: go back to high school when everybody has science class. Right,
Speaker 1: Imagine having science class and you didn't have lab, right,
Speaker 1: how much how much information would you actually remember? Right?
Speaker 1: How much would you actually be able to apply? Right?
Speaker 1: So you know, like I said, it's it's very important
Speaker 1: to be able to get on the field and run
Speaker 1: those routes. Yes, I could look up here and say, hey,
Speaker 1: you run fourteen yards, turn here, and I could do
Speaker 1: that all day long on paper, right, But until I
Speaker 1: get out there and do it, and I have the
Speaker 1: timing of it right, a quarterback puts it on a
Speaker 1: proper shoulder, you know, the right location with the right
Speaker 1: you know, in the right formation, with the right motion,
Speaker 1: the right timing. All those things matter. It matters, matters, matters. That,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. Classroom is huge. However, the only
Speaker 1: way in which you really advance is by going out
Speaker 1: there and getting those reps. And you cannot, I repeat,
Speaker 1: you cannot get those reps that these guys have missed back.
Speaker 1: You can't get them back. Yeah, you just can't. That's
Speaker 1: such a great analogy, you know, the lab versus just
Speaker 1: looking at him on a choco. You know, that's so true,
Speaker 1: and like you can apply it because if you apply
Speaker 1: it to any spot. Really, we get out there and
Speaker 1: you practice, not only are you you're going over plays,
Speaker 1: but things can happen off of that play that you
Speaker 1: have to adjust to that you can't see on film.
Speaker 1: It's got to happen live. And so look, every team's
Speaker 1: dealing with it. One thing I thought he said that
Speaker 1: was really interesting that I didn't expect him to say,
Speaker 1: was that this might be the most experienced team he's had,
Speaker 1: and that that really surprised me, because I mean, he's
Speaker 1: won a super Bowl, you know, and he's he's been
Speaker 1: he's brought a team back a year later that won
Speaker 1: a title. And but when you think about it, there
Speaker 1: are certain positions on this roster that are extremely experienced,
Speaker 1: offensive line being one of them. And some of the
Speaker 1: young guys on this team are leaders and key players
Speaker 1: that have playoff experience. Already, if you go through all
Speaker 1: the all the projected starting quarterbacks in this league, there's
Speaker 1: probably less than a dozen that have more starts in
Speaker 1: the league than dak Press Scott. So that's that's a
Speaker 1: solid thing to inherit for Mike McCarthy. And they've they've
Speaker 1: added we talked about guys, they've added defensive lineman with
Speaker 1: a lot of experience, Paul McCoy, Alvin Smith. So they
Speaker 1: do have experience. And that's one thing he said, because
Speaker 1: somebody asks a really good question, do you try to
Speaker 1: dial back the volume that you're giving your players because
Speaker 1: it's all virtual, And he said, because of the experience
Speaker 1: that we have on this team. I feel comfortable, you know,
Speaker 1: handling the normal volume that I would with a new
Speaker 1: scheme coming in. Yeah, Rob, And that's where that's where
Speaker 1: he is talking about trusting his instincts and trusting the
Speaker 1: group of guys that he has. But also, you know,
Speaker 1: as you know, Isaiah, it's coaches are always, you know,
Speaker 1: coaching for situations. You know, they call it situational awareness,
Speaker 1: right whether it be the two minute drill, hash marks, whatever,
Speaker 1: whatever's going on. Coaches are coaching for that and these
Speaker 1: other times to try to implement that. I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be very special. You know, it's going to be
Speaker 1: a special thing for or Mike McCarthy once he gets
Speaker 1: his guys in, because then he can lay his head
Speaker 1: on his pillow a night knowing that his guys are aware.
Speaker 1: Right now, all of these things that he's using as
Speaker 1: a teaching tool for these guys sitting in their living
Speaker 1: room still doesn't give him a feel as a coach
Speaker 1: for his team. And so these are just words that
Speaker 1: he's thrown out because he understands in order to actually
Speaker 1: know what's going on with these guys, he has to
Speaker 1: put them through the ringer guys have to pass condition tests,
Speaker 1: all of those things, but at the same time coaching
Speaker 1: them up understanding that when this happens, this is what
Speaker 1: you do. You can't get you can't simulate that with
Speaker 1: the computer. You have to be on the field. You
Speaker 1: have to get those live reps. I mean, friendly fire
Speaker 1: is one thing, but getting out there and seeing it
Speaker 1: happen live is a completely different thing. And I think
Speaker 1: that lab analogy that you brought up, I like that.
Speaker 1: I like that alone, but hey, it's I'm all for it.
Speaker 1: I was big in the science in high school. Now,
Speaker 1: Rob you kind of mentioned the experience and how experienced
Speaker 1: this roster is compared to what Mike McCarthy has had
Speaker 1: to deal with in the past. One thing that was
Speaker 1: encouraging to me that he talked about was just how
Speaker 1: quickly the rookies have been picking up the installment of
Speaker 1: what they're trying to do in the playbook and everything involved.
Speaker 1: They have rookie meet or veteran meetings in the mornings
Speaker 1: where the rookies are involved, and they've implemented the rookies
Speaker 1: into those meetings, and then after that you turn around
Speaker 1: and you have the rookie meetings specifically in the afternoon,
Speaker 1: so they're getting a double dose of their two a
Speaker 1: day classroom study and because of that, they've caught up
Speaker 1: to where the veterans are in the installment. And I
Speaker 1: know Mike McCarthy might have just been thrown out some
Speaker 1: coach speak. Maybe it was a confident shot in the
Speaker 1: arm for the rookies that he has, But Rob, do
Speaker 1: you believe what he's saying in terms of some of
Speaker 1: these rookies and these younger guys picking it up just
Speaker 1: as quickly. Well, I think the point you made about
Speaker 1: this is a good one about having their own time
Speaker 1: in the afternoon to continue to study up because they
Speaker 1: are behind. When you think about the dates, I think
Speaker 1: April twentieth was when the veterans got started virtually, so
Speaker 1: they missed a couple of weeks there, And in addition
Speaker 1: to the fact that they're brand new coming into this thing,
Speaker 1: I think from a volume standpoint, yes, they probably aren't
Speaker 1: caught up. I do think beyond the field part of it,
Speaker 1: that's where I think the veterans probably just have an
Speaker 1: inherent advantage just because they've been at this level live reps.
Speaker 1: In person. Isaiah made disagree with that but I just think,
Speaker 1: you know, in theory, I think it's gonna take maybe
Speaker 1: a little longer for rookies to step on the field.
Speaker 1: And because think about it, though, this is going back
Speaker 1: all the way since January, where they really haven't been
Speaker 1: in football mode. They've been in job interviews basically trying
Speaker 1: to get drafted. So they need to get back on
Speaker 1: the field as quickly as possible. It's just not up
Speaker 1: to them now. They also kind of went into the factor.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy actually went into the fact of Oxnard Frisco.
Speaker 1: There's two effort options as to how training camp could
Speaker 1: potentially be done. They're planning for both in full. They
Speaker 1: want to make sure that the Oxnard, if that's the choice,
Speaker 1: is ready to go, and if it's Frisco, that that's
Speaker 1: ready to go. But how different would those two look
Speaker 1: and how would things kind of change and fluctuate back
Speaker 1: and forth. Rob Well, you know, I mean, they've they've
Speaker 1: viewed Frisco the Frisco portion as training camp in the
Speaker 1: past few years. It's only about a week or so,
Speaker 1: maybe ten days, but you know, they're they're comfortable obviously
Speaker 1: with their facilities when they can use them. I think
Speaker 1: the difference is I think having two grass fields in
Speaker 1: Oxnard is a difference. And as well as being able
Speaker 1: to practice outside in very moderate temperatures, that's that's very
Speaker 1: and I say that very, I put that lightly. I
Speaker 1: guess right, that's it's beyond moderate compared to what it
Speaker 1: is in August here. But yeah, those two grass fields,
Speaker 1: I think it's easier on the player's bodies and especially
Speaker 1: in pads and then and then obviously the temperatures. I
Speaker 1: love them too. So you know, we'll see if we
Speaker 1: could get back out there. Isaiah. Is there any difference
Speaker 1: as to where training camp could be from a player standpoint? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: this is not the year going back to Oxnard. No
Speaker 1: disrespect to the California Asia know y'all know him West
Speaker 1: Coast till I died, But this is not the year.
Speaker 1: There's been too much that's gone on. We don't even
Speaker 1: know if we're gonna have fans in the stands. It
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense right now with everything that's going on
Speaker 1: in the league, but especially with the Cowboys with a
Speaker 1: new coach COVID nineteen coming off, you know, not being
Speaker 1: at the in your facilities in there in a proper
Speaker 1: time span you're gonna be rushing to try to get
Speaker 1: all this information. You're gonna be rushing to try to
Speaker 1: get reps. You're gonna be rushing to get guys healthy,
Speaker 1: because the guys will get hurt. There's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot of soft tissue injuries coming off of this, right
Speaker 1: So there's no you do not need to be in Oxnard, California,
Speaker 1: right now trying to get your marketing dollars right now. Jerry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I love you, but keep this thing right here.
Speaker 1: That wasn't a one and a half billion dollars, two
Speaker 1: billion dollars facility that you got over there. You guize
Speaker 1: that thing this year? Yeah, I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: the extra special you know, well, this special set of
Speaker 1: circumstances surrounding COVID nineteen. I think that makes it equally
Speaker 1: as hard to see a training camp and you know,
Speaker 1: in California. But who knows, you know. I think at
Speaker 1: this point, with all of the speculation and just the
Speaker 1: realm of sports in general and looking at deadlines, it's
Speaker 1: all conjecture. We're all just trying to figure out if
Speaker 1: this is actually going to happen. But it makes for
Speaker 1: a great topic but I think the at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, the Cowboys are gonna do what's best
Speaker 1: suited for the health of the team. M and Rob
Speaker 1: just I wanted to go back to what you you
Speaker 1: were saying about the two grass fields and just the
Speaker 1: weather conditions. That's why they go out to California's what
Speaker 1: everybody gloats about. The weather in California. Seventy four seventy
Speaker 1: five degrees California. I A, I mean, you gotta love
Speaker 1: that in comparison to one hundred and ten and the
Speaker 1: devil walking the streets. Right, it's because it's I and
Speaker 1: you know and you know side here, and so that's
Speaker 1: got to make a major difference, especially with implementing a
Speaker 1: new office. And I'm sure for Mike McCarthy he is
Speaker 1: hoping that they are out in California as well, because
Speaker 1: he don't know nothing about this Texas heat. But you
Speaker 1: deal it. Heck, you're right there. They're not going to
Speaker 1: do anything. There's so many variables involved in this and
Speaker 1: we just don't know. Yeah, and so they're not going
Speaker 1: to do anything that's gonna put the team at risk
Speaker 1: or is going to present a lot of logistical challenges.
Speaker 1: But Isaiah pointed out, So we'll just have to see.
Speaker 1: But there's there is a reason why they go out there.
Speaker 1: It is pretty nice out there in some time, man.
Speaker 1: And it's been a crazy offseason for all of us,
Speaker 1: whether we're media or fans of the Cowboys, but especially
Speaker 1: for the coaching staff. I mean, I don't even know
Speaker 1: what it would be like, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: know what it would be like to be in Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy's shoes coming in out of not being in coaching
Speaker 1: for a year and then all of these obstacles are
Speaker 1: thrown your way. It's it's been a tough offseason for him.
Speaker 1: But man, there's been a lot of additions throughout the
Speaker 1: course of the off season that are very positive for
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Speaker 1: is the biggest question mark on defense? We'll tell you
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Speaker 1: September twenty nineteen. To Talk in Cowboys, second segment number
Speaker 1: two here of Talking Cowboys here on this Tuesday morning.
Speaker 1: Glad you're with us on Dallas Cowboys dot Com or
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Speaker 1: Isaiah Stanback, the Great Rob Phillips, I'm Kyle Yeomans. And
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a scheduled chuck full of impressive games
Speaker 1: and hopefully a very winning Dallas Cowboys team whenever we
Speaker 1: get to that point of playing football in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: But guys, I talked about the off season additions. We
Speaker 1: talked about the virtual off season just a bit ago.
Speaker 1: But with all of the additions defensively, you've added both
Speaker 1: defensive tackles and Doantari Po and Jill McCoy. Oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, Neville Gallimour was a third round pick and
Speaker 1: he's got some upside to him as well. You've added
Speaker 1: some corners, You've added some secondary depth. Throughout the course
Speaker 1: of the entire off season, there hasn't necessarily been a
Speaker 1: whole lot of addition on the linebacking corps, and I
Speaker 1: kind of wanted to dive into what the linebackers are
Speaker 1: looking at heading into twenty twenty. And we saw a
Speaker 1: video the other day Layton vander esh a forty one
Speaker 1: inch vertical off of one lag looking pretty solid in
Speaker 1: terms of his rehab and coming back from that neck
Speaker 1: injury a year ago. And my question is is does
Speaker 1: this do anything for you the fact that he has
Speaker 1: that forty one inch vertical and he's having fun out
Speaker 1: there shown off as athleticism. Does it do anything for
Speaker 1: you in terms of a at least somebody looking at
Speaker 1: player that is coming back from an injury. I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought it was wonderful also that you see Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis do the same jump as well. Jordan Lewis is
Speaker 1: five eight right five eight by how tall? I don't
Speaker 1: know how tall. Jordans is five nine five a and
Speaker 1: I mean he same one leg jump. But all that
Speaker 1: tells me about LV is that he's explosive anytime a
Speaker 1: guy is that kind of vertical. But we all we
Speaker 1: knew that, and I mean it was a spectacle something
Speaker 1: to see a guy that size with a forty one
Speaker 1: inch vertical. But guys, I think the linebacker group, you know,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a group that we're gonna watch
Speaker 1: very closely, especially Jalen Smith and we talked avet him
Speaker 1: a few shows ago, and I'm really excited about him
Speaker 1: and his opportunity. Uh in Mike Nolan's defense, because he's
Speaker 1: that piece that you can move around when I look
Speaker 1: down the roster. And also, you know, the health of
Speaker 1: Lvee Venders is very important to this club. But the
Speaker 1: signing of Sean Lee let me know everything that I
Speaker 1: needed to know about what the Cowboys thought about the
Speaker 1: other group. You know, I think Luke Gifford is that
Speaker 1: that guy that's in the group that everyone is thinking of.
Speaker 1: You know, he has a great upside as far as
Speaker 1: his potential, but he is a guy if you go
Speaker 1: back over his career in Nebraska, he had some some
Speaker 1: hip injuries, season ending hip hip injuries. So staying healthy
Speaker 1: has been his thing, has been his thing. But also
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas March, all of those guys, I think they
Speaker 1: have a large role to play. But these linebackers, this
Speaker 1: linebacker group, man, they're definitely gonna have to be a
Speaker 1: lot more solid than they were last year because if
Speaker 1: you look over the Green Bay game, the Vikings game,
Speaker 1: the running game in general, doing those two games, you
Speaker 1: know it was it was because of the poor linebacker player,
Speaker 1: just upfront play in general. Yeah, I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: the continuity of this group more so than anything. Obviously.
Speaker 1: We've touched on this a number of times on the
Speaker 1: show in terms of their their health concern at that position,
Speaker 1: and their depth at that position. And Kyle, you alluded
Speaker 1: to the fact that they haven't added a whole lot
Speaker 1: of depth there, and that's very true, and I'm concerned
Speaker 1: about that. As somebody who's had a ton of injuries themselves,
Speaker 1: they have some some things that they need to worry about. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Lee can't afford to get any more concussions and we
Speaker 1: can't have you know, Vanders, you know, I'm concerned about
Speaker 1: him being able to run a hit like he wants to. Right,
Speaker 1: he's excited, he's Egg's athletic. All those guys are right,
Speaker 1: But there is concerned there because it doesn't take much.
Speaker 1: It takes one bad angle and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: he's back sidelined again. So these are things that we
Speaker 1: don't wish upon anybody, but these are real issues that
Speaker 1: we have to be prepared for, and I don't think
Speaker 1: that we've addressed it and positioned ourselves to be ready
Speaker 1: to handle that should those issues present themselves again. But
Speaker 1: you know, I'm excited about that front, that front line
Speaker 1: allowing these guys to run free, and I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to seeing that energy that all of them bring, especially
Speaker 1: Jalen and vander As. Those two leads kind of like
Speaker 1: the the the clearheaded one in terms of being calm
Speaker 1: and being that you Jedi. But those two on the
Speaker 1: outside are gonna be able to run free. And I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing them all come together and just
Speaker 1: have fun because they are going to be able to
Speaker 1: random make plays. Uh you know, they're gonna be in
Speaker 1: position to how I'll have a lot more blitzes than
Speaker 1: they've ever had. So it should be it should be
Speaker 1: fun to watch. Hey, Rob, did I take all of
Speaker 1: your points? I knew, I knew that was possible, But
Speaker 1: I did some research today, did some research today about
Speaker 1: that forty one vertical. He actually Vanderesh, by the way,
Speaker 1: thirty nine and a half is vertical at the combine.
Speaker 1: This what an athlete he is because got this from
Speaker 1: an Idaho station. Heck, here you go. Players eight players
Speaker 1: before Vanderesh since oh eight have gotten that type of
Speaker 1: vertical at the combine at over two hundred and fifty pounds.
Speaker 1: And the list is pretty good. Miles Garrett, bud Dupree,
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack, Jamie Collins, Brian Rackpo and Connor Baldwin. That's
Speaker 1: a list of a lot of guys that have had
Speaker 1: success in the league, and it just speaks to his
Speaker 1: overall talent level. Like like Isaiah said, he's got to
Speaker 1: come back healthy and he says he's feeling great. That's
Speaker 1: great news. You know, you've got to have that depthit
Speaker 1: linebacker because it is such a physical position. They need
Speaker 1: a guy like you know, Joe Thomas is a great
Speaker 1: guy to have as a reserve. Luke Gifford needs to
Speaker 1: take a step forward. He had some injuries last year.
Speaker 1: They need him to make this team and be ready
Speaker 1: to fill in if needed. But when they're healthy, man,
Speaker 1: this is a group that's as good as when they're
Speaker 1: at their best, as as any group in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And you guys are right. Depending on how they make
Speaker 1: this defense, maybe more multiple. It could showcase more of
Speaker 1: what Jalen Smith can do as a rusher and really
Speaker 1: all those guys because they've shown a knack for being
Speaker 1: able to get me far and Rob I that you
Speaker 1: brought up the point of the multiple, the hybrid defense.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a position group that's going to
Speaker 1: be more effected with the new Mike Nolwyn way of
Speaker 1: playing defense than these linebackers. Then seeing potentially having Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith kind of pigeonholed into maybe more of a path
Speaker 1: treasure role. You have Layton vander Eshi and coverage. I
Speaker 1: think a guy who benefits from that a lot is
Speaker 1: Francis Bernard, the undrafted free agent out of Utah who's
Speaker 1: grating coverage. I think he benefits a lot from what
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan's bringing to the table, and he may end
Speaker 1: up fitting that mold going into twenty twenty. But heck
Speaker 1: mansary to cut you off there, and I'll pitch it
Speaker 1: to you here, but what do you think about the
Speaker 1: changes that are being made with Mike Nolan and this
Speaker 1: defense and how exactly that could affect the xs and
Speaker 1: ohs of this linebacking corps. Well, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it's evident anytime you have a changing of the guard,
Speaker 1: as far as the coaching staff is concerned, that you
Speaker 1: look for a different scheme. We're looking for the scheme
Speaker 1: that best fits the guys that we have. And when
Speaker 1: you talk about that that list that Rob just went
Speaker 1: off of, I mean, Khalil Mack, you know, come on, man,
Speaker 1: I mean that's a that's that ain't bad. That's a
Speaker 1: that's a list of guys that you want to be
Speaker 1: in the company of those guys. But guys, look, it's
Speaker 1: the defense itself has to make a change. We have
Speaker 1: to make a change up from when you look over
Speaker 1: last season and you know, some of the vanilla coverages
Speaker 1: that we had, we became really predictable. But when you
Speaker 1: have special athletes like Layton Vander esh and Jalen Smith,
Speaker 1: you have to use them and you have to put
Speaker 1: them in the situations and the scheme to succeed. And
Speaker 1: that's what I see Nolan doing. You know, we forget
Speaker 1: and you know, Kyle, I got a little upset with
Speaker 1: you a couple weeks ago when we were talking about
Speaker 1: Jaylen Smith and you kind of throw a little shade.
Speaker 1: But I want got everybody to remember that Jaylen Smith
Speaker 1: is is still the guy that beat Deshaun Watson to
Speaker 1: the polom. So you talk about a special athlete, that
Speaker 1: is who he is. And so if coach Nolan, all
Speaker 1: of these guys are really salivating to get their hands
Speaker 1: on these guys to put them in the positions to
Speaker 1: succeed because they know that they have a bunch of
Speaker 1: athletic guys that can make make plays for them, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: I want to ask the question of whenever a new
Speaker 1: scheme is implemented and you do have guys that maybe
Speaker 1: see their role change a little bit, whether it's offensively
Speaker 1: or defensively, do some players take exception to that to say, hey,
Speaker 1: I am a hybrid player. I can both play in
Speaker 1: coverage and pass rush, or do they normally kind of
Speaker 1: realize what their specialties are whenever it's on the field.
Speaker 1: Every player knows what they're best at, right and everybody
Speaker 1: everybody's kind of comfortable in a certain position and being
Speaker 1: utilized in a certain way. But when you have as
Speaker 1: much talent as you do on this defense, I can't
Speaker 1: imagine there being anybody that's so stubborn to the fact
Speaker 1: that they don't want to move around and be utilized
Speaker 1: in the most efficient way to benefit the entire team.
Speaker 1: So even though guys, do you know, hey, I might
Speaker 1: be a really great edge rusher. Okay, well I'm gonna
Speaker 1: move you inside on this play. That's fine if that
Speaker 1: helps us get make plays, and let's let's do it right. So,
Speaker 1: I think having a defensive coordinator that's able to put
Speaker 1: you in a position and having the amount of talent
Speaker 1: around you where it really doesn't matter. Right, I can
Speaker 1: move around, So what if I play on the right end? Okay,
Speaker 1: this play, I'm on the left, and then next thing
Speaker 1: you know, I'm playing on the second level in linebacker.
Speaker 1: There's so much that could be done here when you
Speaker 1: have so much talent, and I just I really want
Speaker 1: to drive home the fact that I'm excited to see
Speaker 1: these guys get together right and build that continuity, because
Speaker 1: when you're out there and you're flying around and you're
Speaker 1: having fun, it just reminds me of my times when
Speaker 1: I was in Seattle and we had so much talent
Speaker 1: on defense and it didn't matter where guys were right,
Speaker 1: it didn't matter. Guys were making plays, and you're excited
Speaker 1: for your boy to make plays. And I think that's
Speaker 1: where we're gonna see here. It just really depends on
Speaker 1: the culture that's created once they touched the field, and
Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting looking at how really the linebackers,
Speaker 1: along with the those tackles are kind of thrown into
Speaker 1: all of this because you've got Jalen Smith, you've got
Speaker 1: Layton Vanderiche hopefully completely back and healthy, all of the
Speaker 1: depth that Rob mentioned earlier. I want to kind of
Speaker 1: focus in on here, though, is the unsung hero, the
Speaker 1: one that's been forgotten even though he's been here forever.
Speaker 1: And that's Sean Lee. I mean, last year he showed
Speaker 1: that he has some left in the tank. Whether it
Speaker 1: was against LA even against Philly on the road, he
Speaker 1: had a pretty solid game in terms of the grades
Speaker 1: that he had. I think Pro Football Focus had him
Speaker 1: close to in elite grade during that matchup on the
Speaker 1: road against Philadelphia and in the next to last week
Speaker 1: of the season. But Rob, what kind of role do
Speaker 1: you see Sean Lee having in what is going to
Speaker 1: be a new look defense? Well, I mean he can.
Speaker 1: I think what he proved last year is he can
Speaker 1: do and he's probably already proved that in his career
Speaker 1: he could do whatever he made him to do. I mean,
Speaker 1: he can play anywhere. He's been a middle linebacker, he's
Speaker 1: been a weak side linebacker. He accepted that strong side role,
Speaker 1: which has significantly less snaps given the amount of sub
Speaker 1: packages that defenses played. And then he filled in for
Speaker 1: Vanderesh And you know what, I think he kind of
Speaker 1: told us after the year, the way he played proved
Speaker 1: to himself and especially his health too, because as Ai
Speaker 1: is right, you know, that's been an issue for him
Speaker 1: and he admits it. To play sixteen games that has
Speaker 1: never happened in his career full sixteen. He proved to himself, Look,
Speaker 1: I can still do this, I can still help this team.
Speaker 1: I think his role is whatever is asked of him, honestly,
Speaker 1: because I think I think he could do it. I
Speaker 1: think he understands that Vanderesh and Jalen are the future
Speaker 1: of this defense and he embraces that and he is
Speaker 1: Those guys will tell you he has been a mentors
Speaker 1: for those guys, and I think he'll just continue to
Speaker 1: do that, honestly. That's that's a great point. That's a
Speaker 1: great point, Robin. And like you said, I mean that
Speaker 1: milestone for him was actually playing a full sixteen game
Speaker 1: season and he did that in ten years. It took
Speaker 1: him ten years to actually accomplish that. But it's not
Speaker 1: because of any Look, Sean Lee is a tough guy.
Speaker 1: You know, he is the compliment captain and team leader.
Speaker 1: And we have to talk about the fact that when
Speaker 1: it comes down to the linebacker group, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is the lifeline that quarterback in your linebackers you know
Speaker 1: when I was a linebacker. But those are the smartest
Speaker 1: guys on your team, right, so you you want those
Speaker 1: guys to be you know, up temple flying around as
Speaker 1: you said, Isaiah. But also, man, your whole team feeds
Speaker 1: off of what your defense is doing, and they're feeding
Speaker 1: off of their living. Your vent is Shun Lee, who
Speaker 1: can play all of those positions. And so guys keep
Speaker 1: that in mind with Nolan's defense, because if these guys
Speaker 1: are able to put pressures, get interceptions, you know, sacks,
Speaker 1: you know, big play, who plays and things like that,
Speaker 1: and especially coming from your eleven year veteran, everybody's calling
Speaker 1: him Paul Paul. But if he can actually be if
Speaker 1: he can actually be that guy, that's the tone center
Speaker 1: for your defense. Now that just permeates and feeds your
Speaker 1: whole teams and give you guys the energy and momentum
Speaker 1: that you need in those tough games. Man, Listen, here,
Speaker 1: Lee is the John Stockton, He is the Steve Nash
Speaker 1: of this defense. Nothing is going to happen unless he
Speaker 1: is at the grand c interestation of it all. And
Speaker 1: his job is simply to be consistent. His job is
Speaker 1: to be consistent. His job is to be the brain
Speaker 1: of that of that of that front seven, and he's
Speaker 1: just there to simply make plays like he always does
Speaker 1: right and be a smart player to get guys in
Speaker 1: position if you guys don't know. Middle linebacker's job is
Speaker 1: to make sure that everybody knows what the heck's going on,
Speaker 1: knows the calls. He's also in charge of making sure
Speaker 1: that McCoy and poul and everybody else, all all those
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be lined up accordingly, that they're in
Speaker 1: the right shade, right, that he's able to distinguish what
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks calling right, any kind of keys or tips
Speaker 1: at the quarterbacks giving golf for office, a linement, giving off.
Speaker 1: That's his job to identify that and make sure his
Speaker 1: guys are in position and make them plays. So that's
Speaker 1: what it's going to be asked of Lee during this season.
Speaker 1: He's gonna do what he always does and make plays.
Speaker 1: And I think he's going to be substantially more healthier
Speaker 1: than he has ever been because of the guys that
Speaker 1: are in front of him. So I think he's really
Speaker 1: looking forward to this year as well, because he's never
Speaker 1: had had guys in front of him like this or
Speaker 1: assistance on the side of him. You know, I love
Speaker 1: a good to BA reference. Now John stopped Hi back
Speaker 1: in the day he stopping You were a Knicks fan,
Speaker 1: and you can't like John Stockton. Stop it. So now
Speaker 1: with all of that being said, and Isaiah, I think
Speaker 1: you brought up a magnificent point of hopefully he's healthy
Speaker 1: enough throughout the back half of the season or even
Speaker 1: at the beginning, more so than he has been in
Speaker 1: the past, because in twenty nineteen he was healthy for
Speaker 1: the majority of the year. But are any of you
Speaker 1: worried about his health because of what this offseason has been,
Speaker 1: the fact that they haven't had the application and they
Speaker 1: may not have as much application of on field time
Speaker 1: practice reps and being able to get your body ready
Speaker 1: for the NFL. If there's anybody that I guess could
Speaker 1: get the body ready, it might be Sean Lee. But
Speaker 1: are you guys worried. I'm not. I'm not worried. I mean,
Speaker 1: you think about what concerns we have about him right?
Speaker 1: Is his head right? And at this time in the
Speaker 1: off season you wouldn't be hitting anybody anyway, So in
Speaker 1: terms of him, there's nothing. There's no concerns there. I
Speaker 1: don't have any concerns with Vandersch at this point in
Speaker 1: time of the off season because they wouldn't be hitting
Speaker 1: anybody anyways, right. Our concerns that we have for those
Speaker 1: two specifically are going to be when those guys get
Speaker 1: the pans on right and they started hitting guys. My
Speaker 1: concern with Jaylen Smith is, Hey, that boy's explosive is
Speaker 1: all get out. Has he been having the offseason that
Speaker 1: he needs to have because he's going to be running
Speaker 1: a lot more. He's gonna be blitzing a lot more.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be asked to go side to side a
Speaker 1: lot more. So these are you know, soft tissue injuries.
Speaker 1: I'm more concerned about those early on in camp and
Speaker 1: all the fans out there get prepared. Guys will get
Speaker 1: back healthy, but there will be soft tissue injuries because
Speaker 1: you cannot duplicate real live reps. And guys are gonna
Speaker 1: get back, They're gonna be excited, They're gonna be trying
Speaker 1: to show off for the coaches, are gonna be uh,
Speaker 1: you know, positioning themselves for you know, to for starting roles.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna it's gonna get real. So the physical
Speaker 1: aspect in terms of the head injuries and neck injuries
Speaker 1: not so much more so to soft tissue injuries. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I worry about a guy. I'm sorry, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't worry about a guy like Sean Lee. Just to
Speaker 1: answer that, man, he's the consummate professional. You know that
Speaker 1: he's going to have his body ready to go at
Speaker 1: the beginning. And for all of these guys, I mean
Speaker 1: when you see the training that they're doing and they're
Speaker 1: putting this on Instagram for all of us to see
Speaker 1: them getting in shape. But the same for jayals Smith,
Speaker 1: he knows what's going to be asked of him, and
Speaker 1: of all the guys. I mean, he had an exceptional
Speaker 1: year last year, one hundred and sixty eight tackles, which
Speaker 1: got him into the Pro Bowl. Laton Vanderish off his
Speaker 1: rookie season being in All Pro as a rookie, So
Speaker 1: you know, all of these guys are itching to get
Speaker 1: back to that prime position and taking care of themselves
Speaker 1: is the first thing. But in COVID and this whole
Speaker 1: thing that's going on, I know that Sean Lee is
Speaker 1: somebody that you don't have to worry about. He's been
Speaker 1: in the league for ten years. If anybody knows how
Speaker 1: to get their body right and how to fuel going
Speaker 1: into an NFL season, he would probably be one of
Speaker 1: the ones right up at the top of the list,
Speaker 1: especially with some of the health issues he's had to
Speaker 1: go with and go through throughout the course of his career.
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna step aside. When we come back, we'll
Speaker 1: have a special guest join us. Look a little bit
Speaker 1: different when we come back on the other side of
Speaker 1: the break because Patrick Crayton, former Cowboys wide receiver, joins
Speaker 1: the show and he's going to answer the question just
Speaker 1: how good can this wide receiver corps be for the
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Speaker 1: about that coming out of the break and look at
Speaker 1: a little bit different. We're on WebEx now as opposed
Speaker 1: to where we were on our normal show earlier, and
Speaker 1: we'll be popping around like we have in the past.
Speaker 1: I believe we've done this once or twice, but it
Speaker 1: is different being remote as as normal. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: in our respective as WBC Mortgage Studios talking cowboys here
Speaker 1: on Dallas cowboys dot Com. We're still waiting for our
Speaker 1: special guests. The suspense is killing us Patrick Craton joining
Speaker 1: in the show. But Isaiah, I want to give you
Speaker 1: a chance. Before we get into Patrick actually being on
Speaker 1: the show, I want you to preface one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why he's popping on is because you guys had
Speaker 1: a little bit of a competition last night. We definitely
Speaker 1: had a little competition, and uh, you know, I really
Speaker 1: I love competition, you know, and I and um, you know,
Speaker 1: coming into the league as a young rookie, there's there's
Speaker 1: a gentleman, young veteran by the name of Patrick Crayton
Speaker 1: that I happened to kind of stay in his hip pocket, right.
Speaker 1: I was kind of his little brother. And you know,
Speaker 1: as little brothers, do you know, we're kind of a
Speaker 1: past you know, we always in there, you know, always
Speaker 1: in the ear, and a big brothers kind of throw
Speaker 1: us around a little bit. So whenever you have an
Speaker 1: opportunity to get back at your big brother, you pretty
Speaker 1: much hop all over that. Right. So over the past
Speaker 1: few weeks, I've been bowling my guy down at a
Speaker 1: Bowski's Dallas. Over at Lakewood, Dallas. They've been having a
Speaker 1: virtual bowling a bowl of bullet on every Monday night,
Speaker 1: and I've been beating friends left and right. And I
Speaker 1: caught out Patrick Crayton this this past week and I
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to take him on last night and
Speaker 1: they head best of three, and I happened to beat
Speaker 1: him in the first two games, and he decided he
Speaker 1: wanted to bowl a third game, and your boy had
Speaker 1: I had to bring out my broomstick, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had a brand of broomstick. Was a clean, sweet,
Speaker 1: clean sweet you know. I told him he had a
Speaker 1: valiant effort, you know, And I acknowledged the fact he
Speaker 1: had a value effort, but he just wasn't good enough.
Speaker 1: Patrick is on the line now, and Patrick, first off,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us here on talking cowboys. Secondly, I
Speaker 1: want to give you a chance to rebuttal Isaiah has
Speaker 1: been talking about how he swept you at bowling last night,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to I want to hear from your side.
Speaker 1: Did that actually happen and was it as dominant as
Speaker 1: he says? So let me just break down everything for
Speaker 1: you guys, just just just go ahead and start from
Speaker 1: the top, because what he's not doing and he's not
Speaker 1: really telling the whole story of the reason why you
Speaker 1: got me. And I have no excuse, have no excuse.
Speaker 1: He beat me. But Isaiah travels with fifteen balls to
Speaker 1: the to the you know, to the to the lanes.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell he had? He had a
Speaker 1: chauffeur and brought in balls and a suitcase that had
Speaker 1: his balls in it. I don't know what I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to do right here, and so and so I get there.
Speaker 1: You know, I had to go get my ball out
Speaker 1: of the attic because you know, I don't. I haven't
Speaker 1: both I had, I had put the had put the
Speaker 1: shoes up in the ball up. You know, I was like, sid,
Speaker 1: I retired. He brought me out of retirement. And he
Speaker 1: had just said he had just added what you yeah,
Speaker 1: added what six more balls to your collection? A couple
Speaker 1: more last night. Well, I think he forgets to tell you,
Speaker 1: guys that he had picked the lane that to buddy
Speaker 1: of his. But the further and further let me know
Speaker 1: that he had put magnets into pins in his ball.
Speaker 1: So he had so he had a remote control on
Speaker 1: them get a root problem. Oh my god, supposed to
Speaker 1: do that? Good? What's cool? I get that. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're not doing the Patriots model, you're not cheating,
Speaker 1: you ain't trying. He got me last night. He got
Speaker 1: me last night. I think I think I did both.
Speaker 1: Now I take that back. I was gonna say, I
Speaker 1: think I bowed the highest total. You bowed to one
Speaker 1: ninety one game, I bowed to one eighty four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. I know you wanted to stick with you,
Speaker 1: with your with your game Jersey never you know, but
Speaker 1: I had to go. I had to go Jake ratting
Speaker 1: up one night, so it was out. But man, it
Speaker 1: was all. It was all good fun man for for
Speaker 1: a good cause. Uh. You know, I think we uh
Speaker 1: we want some people some things. Last night I wish
Speaker 1: I could have want some people some more. But I
Speaker 1: wasn't on my a game and at times he was.
Speaker 1: And that's how it happened. And that's how it goes.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how sports goes. It's got the ebbs
Speaker 1: and flows. You'll get him back, I'm sure. I'm sure
Speaker 1: Isaiah will publicly. Yeah, I'm getting ready to I'm getting
Speaker 1: ready to u go over to the store in the
Speaker 1: second man and get me twenty seven balls. So, now,
Speaker 1: as a former wide receiver and a former Dallas Cowboy,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've kind of kept your finger on the
Speaker 1: pulse whenever it comes to what the Cowboys have a
Speaker 1: wide receiver at least heading into this twenty twenty season.
Speaker 1: The draft pick of CD Lamb, Michael Gallup, then Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper and his new deal. How good can this wide
Speaker 1: receiving corps b not only just this year but moving forward?
Speaker 1: In your eyes? You know what I think moving forward
Speaker 1: past that we have. What I love about him is
Speaker 1: I think they're all still young and hungry, you know,
Speaker 1: And I think that's the that's the main part you have.
Speaker 1: I think they still have a lot to prove. Amari
Speaker 1: just getting a new country. He has to prove he's
Speaker 1: worth a hundred million dollars. And then you CD and
Speaker 1: Gallup coming in that are both hungry guys, which I like,
Speaker 1: you know, I hate that Jerry keeps wanting to put
Speaker 1: eighty eight on every first round draft pick that he gets.
Speaker 1: CD wants to make his own mark and make his
Speaker 1: own name, And I'm like, Jerry, let that man he
Speaker 1: wants to work ten. Why are you wanting to make
Speaker 1: him eighty eight? He wants to be his own person.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to be known as the next eighty eight.
Speaker 1: He wants to be known as the first ten. So
Speaker 1: that that kind of mindset is good. And I'm hoping
Speaker 1: they don't try to put him in that box of
Speaker 1: all the other eighty eights to where you know he
Speaker 1: has do it, because I'm like, well, you just gave
Speaker 1: Amark Cooper eighty eight type of money, but you're giving
Speaker 1: this rookie that's coming in the number eighty eight. So
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well which one of them? What do
Speaker 1: you want them to be? But I think they can
Speaker 1: move forward. I'm just waiting on them to hurry up
Speaker 1: and get this Dak deal done. That's gonna be the
Speaker 1: major thing moving forward, because you got to have a
Speaker 1: quarterback throw to these guys, and I get it. You
Speaker 1: know you're going to get Andy Dalton. You know he's
Speaker 1: the homegrown kid you bring it back home. But he
Speaker 1: is not your franchise guy. You said back is your
Speaker 1: franchise guy. That's good, and get this deal done. I
Speaker 1: don't care what it looks like on paper, what is
Speaker 1: the fully guaranteed money. Get it done, move forward, Jerry,
Speaker 1: because you know he's not gonna make it to the
Speaker 1: fifth theory anywhere anyway, so that forty five million on
Speaker 1: paper doesn't matter. So get the deal done, make it happen.
Speaker 1: Let's move forward. Now. I want to ask the question
Speaker 1: of and Isaiah could actually answer this as well, But
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to a wide receiver not really knowing
Speaker 1: what's going on with the situation of his quarterback, whether
Speaker 1: it's a contract issue, health issue, there's just a question
Speaker 1: mark over that quarterback position. How much does that affect
Speaker 1: wide receivers going into a season. But I can't really
Speaker 1: answer that simply because I've never been in this situation,
Speaker 1: But you know, you it does add to some comfort
Speaker 1: level and continuity. When you know you're gonna have the quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know you've got ahead, so you get working and
Speaker 1: hopefully you know Dak is out here working with these
Speaker 1: guys on their own anyway, so you know, as long
Speaker 1: as they're doing that, let the business stuff him with
Speaker 1: the business stuff. You guys go out there and build
Speaker 1: up a relationship in a repertoire on the field, so
Speaker 1: when it comes time for September. You're ready to go. Hey,
Speaker 1: pat we did a show together, I guess the week
Speaker 1: of the Patriots game last November with one oh five
Speaker 1: three of the fan and back then it was like
Speaker 1: everything was still in front of this team. Yep, it
Speaker 1: didn't It didn't go so well in December right after that.
Speaker 1: A couple of two questions for you, why why do
Speaker 1: you think this team didn't quite take didn't take the
Speaker 1: step they needed to take last year. And I know
Speaker 1: you're a student of the game, and I know you
Speaker 1: played against Mike McCarthy's teams a few times a few
Speaker 1: years ago. Why do you think he's a good fit
Speaker 1: for this team coming in replacing Jason Karrett. No, I
Speaker 1: think he's a good fit simply because of his innovativeness.
Speaker 1: I love that you know him and Aaron Rodgers bumped
Speaker 1: heads because Aaron was trying to supersede the coach. But
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy has proven himself to be you know, at
Speaker 1: one time they were considering him the best play calling
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator in the game. And with this staple of
Speaker 1: weapons that he's gonna have, I think he's gonna be
Speaker 1: able to really open up that offense. But the biggest thing. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, he's got to be able to connect with
Speaker 1: Dak and start running the offense for Dak's strengths. The
Speaker 1: biggest thing you know they're gonna have is as long
Speaker 1: as they got a good running back. You know. I
Speaker 1: get it that they the Cowboys wanted Dak to stay
Speaker 1: in the pocket and put the pressure on him and
Speaker 1: everything so they could justify paying him. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, don't take away carries from your
Speaker 1: main threat offensively, and stop telling Dak to not run
Speaker 1: the damn ball. Run the ball that when you need
Speaker 1: to run the ball, I don't. Don't get labeled as
Speaker 1: a pocket passer. Who cares you're gonna get paid regardless.
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, they're not pocket passers,
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, they're not pocket passing. The day of that
Speaker 1: oct Pastor stigma is gone. It is. It is gone
Speaker 1: pretty much because you cannot the way these d ns
Speaker 1: and these linebackers come. Then pocket pass if you want to.
Speaker 1: When you're gonna be over back a minute, PC man,
Speaker 1: it's heck Maharrison man. I want to tell you I'm
Speaker 1: a big fan of yours man, growing up here in
Speaker 1: the city of Dallas, Texas. I know your history at
Speaker 1: De Soto. Man, I've always compared you a lot to
Speaker 1: Cata of Kevin Williams from Roosevelt Man. Both of you
Speaker 1: guys big, big, big return guys and also possession guys
Speaker 1: here in Dallas for the Dallas Cowboys, but also with
Speaker 1: man with COVID nineteen and everything going on. I want,
Speaker 1: I'm itching to ask you about this, to know what
Speaker 1: did you think about the whole draft process and you
Speaker 1: being a local guy that actually got to live out
Speaker 1: his dream playing for the Dallas Cowboys and these guys
Speaker 1: that are from the Metroplex not actually getting that opportunity
Speaker 1: to participate in Dallas Day. You know what, Like Dallas
Speaker 1: Day was a big thing for me. You know that
Speaker 1: that really kind of gives you that little I opening
Speaker 1: experience to the NFL. But I actually liked the experience
Speaker 1: they had this year because everyone was at home with
Speaker 1: their family, that was not having to go on stage
Speaker 1: and shake hands with Roger Goodell and sitting that green
Speaker 1: room dressed and suited. You could be at home with
Speaker 1: your family and enjoy the whole experience of it with
Speaker 1: your loved ones, not with the other people who in
Speaker 1: the media and everything and stuff like that. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, raw Roy and and and hustling you
Speaker 1: around and showing you where you gotta be. Oh man,
Speaker 1: that's good and everything for the goods and glamour, but
Speaker 1: it's not the real thing that you're going to see
Speaker 1: every day in the NFL. Good manrobably running through a
Speaker 1: wall or wanting to run through a wall after that
Speaker 1: that question being asked, Man, hema, heckma, smiling ear to
Speaker 1: hear with Patrick Craig PC PC from De Soto. Man,
Speaker 1: I know who PC is. Appreciated, man, you know everyone's
Speaker 1: finally can get you know, recognized, just how your name
Speaker 1: seeing I'm feeling good and last night Isaiah beat the
Speaker 1: Franks off for me. So geez well, Patrick, we we
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on and we apologize that our
Speaker 1: fellow Isaiah, I just couldn't. Couldn't at least let you
Speaker 1: win one to Kyle, he ain't supposed let me win. No,
Speaker 1: that's how you know I'm gonna get you back. I
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna get you by in case y'all didn't know,
Speaker 1: and PC knows the story. I know we gotta get
Speaker 1: a log off. But my first day of practice, I
Speaker 1: remember I got drafted. I was a quarterback quarterback in college,
Speaker 1: but I got drafted as a receiver, so I had
Speaker 1: no idea how to play receiver. I knew nothing about it.
Speaker 1: Right when I stepped on the field for the first day,
Speaker 1: and PC and Teo clowned the crap out of me
Speaker 1: because I had on every pad that you can possibly
Speaker 1: a great thing. He looked like a damn hockey play goad. Dang, dude,
Speaker 1: why why are you dressed like the man? So any
Speaker 1: time I get a chance to get back at PC,
Speaker 1: I gotta talk to take every advantage I got. Gotta
Speaker 1: take the chance you gotta. You gotta get them back.
Speaker 1: But Patrick Craton joining us here on talking cowboys. Patrick
Speaker 1: thinks so much, and we'll look forward to talking to
Speaker 1: you again soon. No, man, man, absolutely, man, you guys
Speaker 1: let me know. I'm sorry I was late, but yeah,
Speaker 1: please feel free hit me up next time. See me
Speaker 1: like a faith notification text. Because I was. I was bitty,
Speaker 1: so you gotta hit me up with a romand I
Speaker 1: had much many moving parts. You're a busy man. We
Speaker 1: get that. We're gonna do it. We'll do better on
Speaker 1: our party getting you on the show Quicker, but that
Speaker 1: is gonna do it here for this edition of Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: do you want to thank every single one of you
Speaker 1: for sticking around over the last hour on Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot Com Before Isaiah Standback for heck My Harrison, for
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips and our guest Patrick Crayton. I'm Kyle Yeoman
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