1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: This is Kelly Henderson and you are listening to the 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Velvet Edge podcast. The indiogram has become the largest personality 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: test in America and it's widely used to help in relationships, 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: work environments, and self growth. In such a strange time 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: of slowdown, self reflection and change, I thought the angiogram 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: might be a useful tool for all of us. In 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: this conversation, I talked to Sarah Jane Case. She's the 8 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: founder of one of my favorite Instagram accounts, Indiogram and Coffee. 9 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: She gave a breakdown on how the inngiogram works, how 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: it affects every single thing we do, and how to 11 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: use your indiogram number to your advantage in life. Here's 12 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: our conversation. Okay, so I need to hear about Angiogram 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: and Coffee because you started this this social media side 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: in this podcast and within a year you have over 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: how like half a million followers. Yeah, it's the same. 16 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: It's crazy. It really took me by surprise too. I 17 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: thought I was gonna make this account for like my 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: mom and my husband to follow and no one else 19 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: is gonna be interested. Yeah, I blew up and it 20 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: went from zero to a hundred thousand and three days, 21 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: so it was like watching, Yeah, like how so what 22 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: what were you even posting? Did it just go viral? 23 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: It went viral? Yeah. At the first thing that really 24 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: took off was like I did Bingo cards for each 25 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: type is for people who might not follow you yet, Yeah, totally. 26 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: So essentially it's just I just made like like a 27 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: replica of a typical bingo card and then put the 28 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: number in the center and then put like kind of 29 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: really honestly like stereotypes of each number um in the boxes. 30 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: And because at this time, I wasn't thinking anyone would 31 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: see it, I was just making it for fun, and um, 32 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: people just ran with it and took them and shared them. 33 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: And I think it comes from that place of like 34 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: wanting to be seen. So it's like, oh, I see 35 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: myself in this, and I want other people to see 36 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: me too. Um, and it just yeah, people were sharing 37 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: it in their stories and it just went crazy. So 38 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: we mentioned that you have a podcast that I was 39 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: listening to one of them, where you talked about just 40 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: what that felt like and growing so fast, how great 41 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: it was, but also some of the hard things that 42 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: can come from that. Can you talk a little bit 43 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, I mean, I think that it's interesting 44 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: because I think I would have thought before when I 45 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: saw other people go through this, like, oh, your entire 46 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: life is different now, and and what it really felt 47 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 1: like for me on the back end was just kind 48 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: of like panic, Like I was. There's a lot of 49 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: like crying and because I mean, it kind of felt 50 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: like my energetic boundaries were being stretched to hold space 51 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: for people at a rapid pace that I kdn't you know, 52 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: I hadn't prepared for. It wasn't a slow integration. It 53 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: was a rapid shift. And how many people were watching 54 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: me and seeing me and um judging me and thinking 55 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: about helped me. It was really intimidating, honestly. So what 56 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 1: did you do before, because were you in some sort 57 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: of business consulting kind of thing. Yeah. I was working 58 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: with business owners and primarily helping them to kind of 59 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: maintain that creative spark, work with through burnout or prevent burnout, 60 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: recover from it, um to really create businesses that served 61 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: like the lifestyle they wanted to live instead of letting 62 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: their business dictate that. And I was using the angiogram 63 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: a significant amount in the last few years of doing 64 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: that business um, but really just trying to get to 65 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: know business owners and help them to edit their businesses down. 66 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: So when you say you're using the angiogram, what do 67 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: you mean, Yeah, so I am. Before I knew the iniogram. 68 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: What I would do is I would get to know 69 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: that person, right, I would say, well, what drives you, 70 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: what motivates you, what de motivates you, what where are 71 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: you losing momentum? Once I found the angiogram, I was 72 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: able to help them see the areas in which they 73 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: were motivated or demotivated it that they may not have 74 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: un realized because I think the instagram is like you know, 75 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: one of my favorite teachers, she teaches that she says, 76 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: the innagrams the water you're swimming in, and so you 77 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: don't always know you're in it. And yeah, so let 78 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: me get to like depths with people relatively quickly that 79 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been able to get to otherwise. You 80 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier about um people really being drawn to your 81 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: Instagram because maybe it was the thing of being seen. 82 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: Do you think that that is why we're we have 83 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: such a fascination with the angiogram right now? Yeah? I 84 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: think so, And I think you know, I think culturally, 85 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: we're in an era where we're demanding a lot of 86 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: personal responsibility from people and are in from ourselves in 87 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: any degrams like straightforward, here's your stuff and here's what 88 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: you need to be looking at. And so I think, partially, yeah, 89 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: we want to be seen, we want to be known, 90 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: and I think also we want to take responsibility for 91 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: what we're bringing me to the table and want other 92 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: people to do the same. So I do want to 93 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: talk about how you used it specifically more in your businesses. 94 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: But let's like, let's do a little breakdown, because I'll 95 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: tell you this. I have been studying, you know, or 96 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: just I've taken the test, I've read some books I've 97 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: I don't know studying is exactly the right word, but 98 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: I've been aware of the angiogram for a couple of 99 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: years now, and the more I dig into it, sometimes 100 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: the more confused I get. Yeah, there's so many different 101 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: like wings and subtypes there. It just never never seems 102 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: to stop with the learning. I completely agree, and and 103 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: there's so many different schools of teaching and ways that 104 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: people talk about it that it can be um. There's 105 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: a lot of opinions in the aniogram change. Like one 106 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: teacher might teach line like the lines of integration disintegration. Um, 107 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: I teach lines of stress and rest. Um. You know. 108 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: I know people who teach it a stretch and release, 109 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: and they all have kind of slightly different variations of 110 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: the way they discuss it and talk about it, which 111 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: I think can be really disorienting. Yes, okay, so let's 112 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: break it down for people. So there's nine types on 113 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: the angiogram, correct, correct? Yeah, yeah. So the way I 114 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: like to talk about it is that is that the angiogram, 115 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: when you find your indiogram type, you're essentially discovering the 116 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: story that you tell yourself about who you have to 117 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,679 Speaker 1: be in order to be okay, in order to be loved, 118 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: in order to be safe. Okay. So um, each number 119 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: is driven by a different basic motivation, a different basic fear, 120 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: in a different story that they believe they have to 121 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: be in order to be okay. And um. Within that, 122 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 1: so that's the basic structure, and within that you have wings, 123 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: which is the number on either side. So the indiogram 124 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: symbol is a circle and it's number one through nine, 125 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: and on either side is your wings. So these you 126 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: have both wings available to you at any time, but 127 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: most of us kind of lean into one or the other. 128 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: So what that means is the numbers on either side 129 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: of your number, Um, have you pull in the characteristics 130 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: and the strengths and weaknesses from those numbers as well? Um, 131 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: most of the time we have a dominant but some 132 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: people are kind of balanced out. So when you say 133 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: balanced out, I was going to ask you that, like 134 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: you can can you show both sides? Like I'm a four, 135 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: which I then your husband is because I've been listening 136 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: to your podcast, I have lots of questions about that. But, um, 137 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: so if I'm a four, you know there's some days 138 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: where I definitely identify with a lot of the characteristics 139 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: of a three. But could I still pick up some 140 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: stuff from a five as well? For short um and 141 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: likely you know that dominant wing is pretty prevalent for 142 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people. Um, but you can intentionally pull 143 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: in those skills of a five as a way to 144 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: kind of intentionally balance them out. Because there's there's a 145 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: school of belief that I I am a fan of. 146 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: It says that the goal is to have balanced wings 147 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: because the number on either side, if you can really 148 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: offer you a lot to round out the strengths and 149 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: weaknesses of your personality. So for a four, the threes 150 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: are very action oriented. Um, they're very good at taking 151 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: action on the things they think about. So that probably 152 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: serves you well. And then the other side of five 153 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: is that there's a lot of like deep integrative knowledge, 154 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: um that you can pull in as a five, a 155 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: lot of observing, a lot of not reacting to emotions 156 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: or feelings but instead processing them, thinking through them, and 157 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: using logic to balance them out, and all of that's 158 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: useful to a four. So you have your specific personality type, 159 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: which mine is a four, like I'm saying, but I 160 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: can pick up characteristics of both sides. Interesting, Okay, So 161 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: now let's talk about um that you mentioned. Was it 162 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: stress and how do you how do you interpret it 163 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: stress and rest? Stress and rest? Okay, so let's talk 164 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, I think this is my favorite element 165 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: and being gram and probably because it's the most action 166 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: oriented in my mind. Um. So essentially each number goes 167 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: to a different number in a season of stress or 168 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: if they feel or a season of rest. So, um, 169 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: your number might go you know, goes to type two 170 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: and stress and so what that can look like is 171 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: you show up in the lower level types of like 172 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: behaviors of type two when you're stressed out. Another way 173 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: to think about it is that if you start a 174 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: lot of times we see another number and we think 175 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: we're supposed to act like that number according to like 176 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: society or expectations. So and then by trying to live 177 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: as that number, it can be really stressful for you. 178 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: So um afore, trying to constantly live as it, too 179 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: is going to be a really stressful experience. Or it's 180 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: an indicator that you need self care. Yes, that makes 181 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: because for me, when I get stressed out for some reason, 182 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: I tend to start taking care of everyone else, like 183 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: worrying about everyone else's needs, And I think that is 184 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: a too write the helper, but it is for draining 185 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: for me, right right, Yeah, yeah really, And what it 186 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: was interesting to me is because is the belief that 187 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: you can climb up any any of those lines or 188 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: slide down either of those lines, so you can actually 189 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: intentionally you regularly pull in some of the high side 190 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: of two, which is going to be like thinking about 191 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: other people like you know, more often, really asking good questions, 192 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: integrating that love and um that warrant that like community 193 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: relational side of A two into your everyday life, which 194 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: can actually prevent you from getting to those low level 195 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: behaviors of the type two. For the type two, Yeah, 196 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: and that stress state. So how would you pull on 197 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: that if you're not in your stress though? Yeah, so 198 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: it would be more intentional. Um, I think to look 199 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 1: about another way to think about this. Let's take it 200 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: out of you and put it into a different person. So, um, 201 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: was a type seven, I'll I go to type one 202 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: in stress. So the low level indicators, right that I 203 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: need some self care or like I get perfectionistic, I 204 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: get judgmental. Um. But but if I can regularly integrate 205 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: the high level behaviors of type one, like organization structure, um, 206 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: being like high minded, like thinking ethically, then I can 207 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: every day make a little bit better decisions that serve 208 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: my stress levels in the long term. Okay, So you're 209 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: just aware of it, and so then you can pull 210 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: out and draw from that positive part of it. So 211 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: every number has like for instance, I have a friend 212 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: who was an eight, and she when she found out 213 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: she was an eight, she was devastated because she was 214 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: reading some of the harder characteristics of an ad and 215 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: she can't get you know, And I kind of feel 216 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: that way about the four. I think that's a very 217 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: typical thing. You see the bad parts of it, but 218 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: every number has strong characters, are positive traits and maybe 219 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: negative ones to correct. Correct, And I think it's the 220 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: most common experience to read your number and think you've 221 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: got the bad one. And I think the work really 222 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: is recognizing that everythingle number has shadow and everythingle lember 223 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: has light. There's no good, there's no bad. We're just 224 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: all human, okay. And so it's really more about learning, 225 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: or this is what I'm taking from the indiogram lately 226 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: at least, is it's about learning how you react and 227 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: respond to certain situations so that you can become your 228 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: higher self, and like knowing what your triggers are, Like 229 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: you said, maybe what your fears are coming from, what 230 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: the story in your head is. Yeah, it's about recognizing 231 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: what you think you have to be, but you don't 232 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: have to be so you you know, as as a seven, 233 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: I think I have to be free. You have to 234 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: get what I want all the time. I have to 235 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: have options available to me. But it's about un learning 236 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: that and recognizing that I'm actually okay. If those things 237 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: don't happen, I'm still fine. Um. And the same thing 238 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: for it's it's really fear being controlled or not being 239 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,599 Speaker 1: in control and um, and that can exhibit in multiple ways, 240 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: but it's actually like it's just about deciding you don't 241 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: have to do that or be that. I found it 242 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: so interesting to listen to the podcast you did with 243 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: your husband, because a four and a seven seems very 244 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: different to me. So and you kind of just touched 245 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: on that, but you talked about like fours were very 246 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: intense in our emotions and our feelings, and how sometimes 247 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: you would be you could be in a room with 248 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: him and think that you were going to get sucked 249 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: into his emotions. And so that's something you've learned, right, 250 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: how to tell yourself that is not happening, yes, and 251 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: that that's mine right, Like it's not his job. Make 252 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 1: me feel better about that, it's my job, chill, and 253 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: that I have that fear. That is interesting. So is 254 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:55,359 Speaker 1: there are there certain numbers that do better in relationship 255 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: with each other than others. I honestly believe that any 256 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: number can be together. It's really just about if you're 257 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: willing to do the work. You know. I think it's 258 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: just in anything, if you're on the higher average to 259 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 1: high level health of your number, it's gonna be a 260 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: little easier to be in relationship in general, versus if 261 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: you're not paying attention, if you're not aware that, it's 262 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: going to be trickier no matter what number you're with. Okay, 263 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: So we talked about the wings, but then there's also 264 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: sub types when this so this is this is where 265 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: I start to be like, what, there's so many different 266 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: things parts of the angiogram. So you say that subtypes 267 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: are actually more important to know about than your wings, 268 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: I believe so, yeah, because I think they offer more distinction. Okay, yeah, 269 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: because you know, just like you can meet you Kelly 270 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: as a type four, and then I can get my 271 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: husband as a type four, and you're going to be 272 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: very different and very um and part of that, you know, 273 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna have your unique flavor, And think the flavor 274 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: of the subtype is actually way more intricate and in depth, 275 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: because it's the subtypes are essentially your survival mechanism, is 276 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: what you think you have to do to survive. So 277 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: that could be like procreation or intimacy, it can be UM, 278 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: having a social network, being socially accepted, and it can 279 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: be having like um, all the food and warmth and 280 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: safety that you need, and that's really deeply just as 281 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: deeply ingrained as your world view, if not more, and 282 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: can really intensely flavor the way you're going to show 283 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: up as your number. So how do you figure out 284 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: your subtype? Well, that's one of the things. Yeah, that's 285 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: what this is. That's so tricky in anagram because different 286 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: schools do teach it differently. I'm personally a fan of 287 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: the work of Beatrice Chestnut because she's given us very 288 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: distinct descriptors of each number UM and each subtype of 289 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: each number. So I encourage you guys to read her book, 290 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: The Complete Angiogram. It breaks down all of the numbers 291 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: really beautifully UM and all of their stuff types. So 292 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: there's twenty seven subtypes, is that right? Seven subtypes? And 293 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: actually one of like some more earlier teachers when they 294 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: brought the indiogram to the mainstream, they taught it as 295 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: their twenty seven types, not just nine types. Oh, I see, 296 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: And so then it got a little more specific. I 297 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: was reading I took the the I nine indiogram tests, 298 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so I have, you know, a pretty 299 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: extensive breakdown of I love how that's Ian Morgan Krown 300 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: and that's how he completely breaks down how you react 301 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: in certain situations, why you're what you're driven by. UM. 302 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: And I'm reading right now on one of my sheets, 303 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: but he's talking about like I'm a social four. So 304 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: is that my subtype? Yes, that's your subject. That's a subtype. Okay, 305 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: So what are some other examples of subtypes or different 306 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: definitions of that? Yeah, so there's three. If we all 307 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: have all three subtypes, it's just that which one is dominant? So, 308 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: but different types. There's one to one which just means 309 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: that you value like one to one connection um and 310 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: one to one intimacy UM. And then there's social, which 311 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: just means that you really it is important to you 312 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: to fit into the social order, to know where you 313 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: stand in the social order UM. And then we have 314 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: self self preservation, which means you want to be safe, 315 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: you want to be fed, you want to have everything 316 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: you need um in order to feel like you're going 317 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: to survive, Like that's your plan for survival essentially, And 318 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: we all have all three, we all need all three, 319 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: but usually one kind of rises to the services are dominant. 320 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: So like what would a difference be between a number 321 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: that's a social number and then one that's like a 322 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: self press Like what are you? What are your reactions 323 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,719 Speaker 1: to life? Or how are they different? So I can 324 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: talk about fours that that makes if that's comfortable for you, okay, 325 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: So a social four is going to be a little 326 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: bit more internal. Um. So they're going to be more 327 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: aware of how where they stand in like the stacking 328 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: of things. So if people if they fit into the 329 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: social order, if they don't fit in, and that can 330 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: create a little bit of hyper self awareness for the 331 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: four um and often can help them like kind of 332 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: holding onto the negatives that people say about them and 333 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: not holding onto the positive things that get said about them. Um. 334 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: So a lot of them were okay, a lot of 335 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: the work is really believing that you're wanted and valued 336 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: and that people see the good in you. Um. And 337 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: then for our self preservation force, they actually are the 338 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: counter type. So what that means is they show up 339 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: differently in behavior than they show up in they even 340 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: though they have the same motivations, the same beliefs, the 341 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: same worldview, their behavior might be different. So while a 342 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: social form might be very comfortable with suffering and not 343 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: be not feel like leaving to escape it, a self 344 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: preservation for is gonna want to want to prove that 345 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: they can suffer and still be happy. So they're gonna 346 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: look a little bit more like jovial, a little bit 347 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: more light. They can get miss typed seven um, because 348 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: that's why you you know, you meet like very sunshiny 349 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: fours and people are like, you're not a four. They 350 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: might be the counter type. They might be a self 351 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: press for whose main mission is to prove that they 352 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: can suffer and be resilient. Um. And then we have 353 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: the one to one for, which is a lot more intense, 354 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: a lot more fiery, might lead was like what looks 355 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: like anger. They might be a little bit more revenge 356 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: oriented and really I feel like they're suffering, and O 357 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: you want other people to suffer too. Do you find 358 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: that people make type themselves a lot? Because you just 359 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: said something about like a self preservation format look like 360 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: a seven? Yeah, I think so. And honestly though, I 361 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: think that gets messiest when other people try to speak 362 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: into your typing process, Like when most people, I think 363 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 1: when they read through, the members can get a general 364 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: idea of who they are pretty quickly, but then when 365 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: other people come in, so like a self preservation four 366 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: reading type four might see themselves in it pretty clearly. 367 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: But then someone else will be like, we don't seem 368 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: like the four because you're really happy, because they have 369 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: like a very base knowledge of the angiogram and they 370 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: don't quite understand the complexity that can live in it. 371 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: Um And so if I can create confusion for people, 372 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: So if you think, like I resonate with type four, 373 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: but everyone's telling me I'm not, then you might explore 374 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: a bunch of different numbers until you know you finally 375 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: get the validation that you are in the right place. Well. 376 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: I actually, when I first took the Instagram Instagram I'm 377 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: sorry any Agram test, I UM, I took like a 378 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: think a free one online or something, and I got 379 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: it to and I just kept being like, you know, 380 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: there's definitely parts of it to identify with, but I 381 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: just kept feeling that thing of like this just doesn't 382 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: fully feel like me, and um, it wasn't until I 383 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: recently took this new the e I test, that it's 384 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: just so much more extensive and then when I read 385 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: the breakdown of the four, even the bad stuff, I 386 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: was like, that is so me, Like I couldn't deny it, 387 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And I think it's actually pretty common 388 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: to mistype on especially those free tests, because they're asking 389 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: you about kind of social norm things like do you 390 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: think it's important to care about people? Do you think 391 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: it's important to be helpful? And so we're gonna, of 392 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: course we're gonna say yes, yeah, yeah, like my mom 393 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: said too. So you don't want to be a monster, right, 394 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: And so that gets really confusing. And that's why I 395 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: really love the i Q nine because it's it's accurate. 396 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: They ask you questions on like a myriad of different ways, 397 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: they reorganize them, and you really get a full on 398 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: report of your number, which is pretty cool. You just 399 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: said it correctly. I've been saying I nine. It's i 400 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: Q nine and you can find it. I think it's 401 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: on is it Ian Morrigan kron Is that he says 402 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: the name dot com. He has a really good book too, 403 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: called The Road Back to You that I've taught me 404 00:21:55,359 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: a lot about the Angeograham. Um, okay, So then I 405 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: want to also talk about like in the breakdown of 406 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: the numbers, like I know the two, the three, and 407 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: the four. What we operate from a heart place? Is 408 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: that right? And then can you talk about those different 409 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: breakdowns that obviously don't know specifically the breakdown of the numbers, 410 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: but there's different places that we come from with all 411 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: of our emotions and the way we navigate through life. Right. Yeah, 412 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: So the two, three, in the four and the image triad, 413 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: which essentially means you're aware of how you're being perceived 414 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: and have an idea of how you would like to 415 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: be perceived. So type twos want to be seen as 416 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: lovable and likable, Type threees want to see be seen 417 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: as successful. Type fours want to be seen exactly how 418 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: they see themselves. Um. And then we have types five, six, 419 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: and seven, which were in the anxiety triad. Um. So 420 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,959 Speaker 1: they kind of lead with thought, lead with you know, 421 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: overthinking things, tend to live in their heads. And then eight, 422 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: nine and one are in the anger triad and they 423 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: have a complex relations chip to anger, so mean they 424 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: lead with anger. Maybe they repressed anger. Um, maybe they 425 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: you know, become passive aggressive because they try to put 426 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: their anger to the side. Okay, this is interesting because 427 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: in my life, I keep bumping up against eights and 428 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: multiple different places in my life that is as a 429 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: difficult relationship for me. But is this what you're saying about, 430 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: like it's an awareness thing and so like is or 431 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: is that just like my number and the number eight 432 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: are just going to kind of butt heads all the time. Yeah, 433 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, I can't. I'm not sure. I 434 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: think for me, it's interesting because I find eights really 435 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: relaxing to be around and I and I can see 436 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: the natural conflict in a four and eight because as 437 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: a seven I value or as as me, I value 438 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: UM when I know where I stand with someone. So 439 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: if an eight is like I don't like you, I'm like, oh, 440 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: thank you. I know I don't have to worry about it. Um, 441 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: And it doesn't really harm me, right, doesn't hurt me 442 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: to be told someone doesn't enjoy my company. Um. In fact, 443 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: it relaxes me because I trust that if you want 444 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: to be with me, you will, and if you don't, 445 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: you won't. UM. Whereas I think for fours, they tend 446 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: to be a lot more um, tender to feedback and 447 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: so UM. When you're interacting with someone who has very 448 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 1: strong opinions and will tell you them without cushioning them 449 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: or softening them. Um, when you're someone who's going to 450 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: hold onto all of the harmful things I get said 451 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: to you and release all the positive you have, kind 452 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: of like um, a natural empty in cup, right, Like 453 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: you're so when you are around people who are going 454 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: to give it to you straight and aren't softening that 455 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: it can be really hard, I imagine, right, and you 456 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: we focus on the one negative versus they are the 457 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: mud type of before does yeahsitive comments that come your way, 458 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: Oh totally. I mean that's like a huge thing for 459 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: me on social media is I can have all this 460 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: positivity and one one hater and I can only think 461 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: about the hater. I've had to really learn how to 462 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: not focus on that. Yeah that's hard. Yeah, okay. So 463 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: how do you feel like the angiogram just in general 464 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: has affected your life or the people around his life? Yeah, 465 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: I mean I think it's it's really it's interesting, you 466 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: know this about me, Like I've been sick for a while, 467 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: Like I had the flu and it turned into pneumonia 468 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: and I'm still in recovery. It's been like two months, 469 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: and um, and I say that to say that, it's 470 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: been really interesting to see what I thought I had 471 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: to be in order to be left. You know, the 472 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: stories that I had around You know, if I'm not happy, 473 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: if I'm not the joy in the room, if I'm 474 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: not the sunshine, then will people in my life don't 475 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: want to be around me? Um? And the work of 476 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: the Instagram has given me the language to stay to 477 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: my husband, like literally asked him, like, are you okay 478 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: that I'm not happy right now? Are you gonna be 479 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: comfortable if I'm not smiling at you today? Um? Just 480 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: because I feel so crummy. I don't have much more 481 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,959 Speaker 1: to give. And I don't think I could have pre 482 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: angiogram had the understanding of myself well enough to know 483 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: that that's even what was coming up. I think I 484 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: would have just been really defensive, really reactive. UM kind 485 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: of closed him off as a self defense mechanism. Um. 486 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: But now I have the awareness of like, oh, I 487 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 1: feel vulnerable, I feel like I can't be what I'm 488 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: supposed to be. UM. It just gives us so much 489 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: insight and language to what maybe we might not have 490 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: known otherwise. That is so fascinating. So what did you do, 491 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: like when you've been sick, How did you act any 492 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: differently or did you just allow yourself to be Yeah, so, 493 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: as most sevens, you have this feeling that we have 494 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: to constantly be entertaining ourselves and constantly be busy. And 495 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: I don't like to sit still very much, but when 496 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: you have pneumonia, you don't really have much of a choice. 497 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: And so it really it really allowed me when I 498 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: would I would rested really intentionally to let you, I'm 499 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: going to be very tempted to not take rest, to 500 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: not enjoy the experience of rest. So I had to 501 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: intentionally make myself enjoy the process of what it feels 502 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: like to be RESTful, um for what my home feels like, 503 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: how it feels to be in this space, and then 504 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: also just express anytime I felt just comfort around, not 505 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: being happy or excited or um, you know, a delight 506 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: to be around. I would just communicate with my husband 507 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: and say, hey, do you still love me even though 508 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: I'm not a delight to be around right now? Even 509 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: he could have them have the opportunity to say yes, 510 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: of course. And I think for so long I didn't 511 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: feel like I could or know how to even ask 512 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: that question. Did you find a difference in how like 513 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,959 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is a fair question or not, 514 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: but like, did he have a difficult sound processing you 515 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: in that capacity because he's so used to you being 516 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: a certain way? Yeah, So for him, because of his 517 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 1: pattern gets triggered for him, he assumed everything. Every time 518 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: I was upset, it was with him, um and that 519 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: he had done something. And so it was interesting because 520 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: he would he got really good at asking are you 521 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: upset with me? Or like what's going on with you? 522 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: And then I could say, like, no, you've done You've 523 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: been a perfect angel. Like he literally was a perfect angel, 524 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: Like I took care of everything. Like, like the idea 525 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: of me being mad at him in that moment is 526 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: like inconceivable because he was keeping me alive, you know, 527 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: like everything. And so it was interesting for me to 528 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: see that come up in him, to even think for 529 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: a second that I would have any negative thoughts about 530 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: him in the time that I loved him the most. 531 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: So we were able to kind of get underneath those 532 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: layers and really have the real conversation, right, which is 533 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: just so interesting to think about if we don't have 534 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: this awareness about our personalities or where we're coming from 535 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: just to think of all the miscommunications that could happen 536 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: in a relationship because of that. Yeah, because you don't 537 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: know why people are doing what they're doing, or why 538 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: you're even doing what you're doing. Yeah, that's been one 539 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: of the big things too. I love this breakdown that 540 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: I got after I took that test because it talks about, 541 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,719 Speaker 1: you know, how you would perceive certain things in stress, 542 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: or how you might respond to certain situations in business 543 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: or in a love relationship. And that's been super helpful 544 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: to me because you know, I think so many times 545 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: I can only speak for myself, but I'm looking at 546 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: the world through my lenses and I can't process how 547 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: someone else's lens could be different, Right, so I just 548 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: get frustrated. You know, you're like, wait, but how can 549 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: you not see it this way or whatever it is, 550 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: because it's how you see it. Yeah. You know, there's 551 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: Type one kind of gets a bad rap for being judgmental. 552 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: And I actually heard a Type one say recently, They're like, 553 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: you know, my whole life, I thought that my inner 554 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: critic was the voice of God and that everyone else 555 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: was just disobeying. Wow, And I was like, that's the 556 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: most powerful concept I've heard because I think that that 557 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: like they thought like, oh, you guys are just choosing 558 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: to not do the right thing. That's eye opening. It's 559 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: super eye opening because I think we all have the 560 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: stories in our heads. So, yeah, you can make up 561 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: whatever it is you want about another person based off 562 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: of your perception. Wow. Um. So, as a person who 563 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: has obviously studied the intiagram a ton, what do you 564 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: do now to keep learning? Like? Where are you going? 565 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: What kind of resources are you finding? Yeah? So I 566 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: I am just like I'm so into the instagram that 567 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: I read every book that I can, um that's been 568 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: written or gets written. Um. But I and I did 569 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: my first at a certification through the integrative nine. Um, 570 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: they're more business based, okay, and then um, I'm going 571 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: through the process of getting a second through the narrative tradition, 572 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: the narrative school of the aniogram, and there are a 573 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: lot more holistic, a lot more somatic, um, a little 574 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: bit more personal about it, so like relational and um, 575 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: you know, reaching the higher self side of things. Yeah. 576 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: One of the things I loved I did mention. Sarah 577 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: Jane has a podcast called Angiogram and Coffee and you 578 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: also really tie in a lot of like business, um, 579 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: just wait the ways that people would respond in business situations, 580 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: or I like the ones about the entrepreneur stuff because 581 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: even just finding like your motivation and what's going to 582 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: help you to get up and like get going, which 583 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: for each different type is completely different. Yeah. Yeah, I 584 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: think like one of my greatest passions is releasing the 585 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: shame that can happen as entrepreneurs, especially in this creative 586 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: market where so many of us are entering into entrepreneurship. 587 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: There's so much belief around what an entrepreneur should be 588 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: and there's so many fears and and motivations and things 589 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: that get in the way of the ability to show 590 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: up as like whatever this ideal is that I don't 591 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: think anyone's actually doing. Um, But yeah, so I I 592 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: really want to kind of break down those ideals and 593 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: get honest about what you want and how that works. 594 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: So what do you what do you feel like the 595 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: perception of what an entrepreneur should be doing is everything? 596 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: You know? I think that people go to these conferences 597 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: and you listen to you know, speakers like me and 598 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: tell you how how you're supposed to run your business, 599 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: and then you try to apply the tools and tricks 600 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: that everyone they're taught, even though they're teaching from their 601 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: perspective and and most people they kind of give their 602 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: their authority of their business over to these people that 603 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: they are learning from, instead of really filtering through, well, 604 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: what serves me? What do I mean? Which things can 605 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: I let go and which things can I hold onto? Instead, 606 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: they go home, they try to implement everything that they 607 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: learned and ultimately end up implementing nothing and then just 608 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: feel like they failed something that I've been learning. The 609 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: more I've learned about my number and what drives me 610 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: is to surround myself with you know, the people that 611 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: I work with around me um who can really tap 612 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: into maybe the strengths that my number doesn't get to, 613 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: you know, like to make the business run successfully. Totally. Yes, 614 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, so interesting valuing I think sometimes 615 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: too when we hire people, especially we hire people who 616 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: are different than us to do that, and then we 617 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: don't value what they bring to people because our type pattern. Right, So, 618 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: do you have recommendations for people who may be just 619 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: starting out or who are like what did y'all just 620 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: talk about? What are all these numbers? Like? What's a 621 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: you know, angiogram for dummies kind of route to go. Yeah. So, um, 622 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: you know, I really encourage people to go to I 623 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: think any Agraham Institute. How's just the most beautiful write 624 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: ups of each number, um the most like they're very thorough, 625 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: very thought out. So you can go to any Grand 626 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: Institute dot com read up on the numbers, see which 627 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: ones resonate to you the most. UM. And then also 628 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 1: the test that I e Q nine is the best test. UM. 629 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: It's finny five to accurate, and it really is. Just 630 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: if you want to take a test and get a 631 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: write up, that's the one to take. Okay, that's a 632 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,720 Speaker 1: great place to start. It's the one that I took 633 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: and really helped me. I felt like I was living 634 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:33,359 Speaker 1: in like, um any a grand personality crisis for many years. Yeah. 635 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: This was like I don't think I'm a two, but 636 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: this keeps too. Yeah. I did the same thing. I 637 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: typed as it too. It took me Yes, yeah, um, 638 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: that's so that's so different. It's so different. Yeah. I 639 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: was like, oh I wish I was a two because 640 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: then I wouldn't have to deal with any of my 641 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: actual stuff. So I wrote that too. That a lot 642 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: of us. We will if you if you like your 643 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: type when you get the number, it's probably not your type, 644 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: is that right? Yeah, because it's uncomfortable, right. Yeah. When 645 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: I got four, I was like, oh my god, because 646 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,439 Speaker 1: we get a bad rap for being so moody, right 647 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: or just so emotional? Yeah, yeah, very true, but working 648 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: on it. I love it. Thank you so much for 649 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: being here, Sarah Jane. Yeah, thank you so much for 650 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: having me. It was so fun. And you guys can 651 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: check her out on Instagram or you on other social 652 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: media's as Aniogram and Coffee as well the Instagram on 653 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: the podcaster where I uh, most of the action happens 654 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: for sure. Okay. I love the little breakdowns you do 655 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: on your Instagram, like it'll be a different theme and 656 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: you break down how each number would respond to that situation. 657 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: It's such a good little daily thing. I love. Thank 658 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: you guys. Check her out, and again, thank you so much. 659 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: I hope everyone signs are true Indiogram number. 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