1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to Brainstuff, a production of I Heart Radio. Hey 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: brain Stuff. Lauren Bogelbaum here for being one of the 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: most famous women in history. The real Cleopatra is shrouded 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: in mystery. She lived from sixty nine to thirty b c. 5 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: Ruled Egypt for twenty two years, commanded riches unrivaled in 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: the ancient world, four children to two of the most 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: powerful men in Rome, and yet the stories of her 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: past down over the centuries Cleopatra's the Wanton Seductress were 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: mostly propaganda written by her enemies. We spoke with Prudence Jones, 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: history professor at Montclair State University and author of Cleopatra, 11 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: a source Book to get the real scoop on Cleopatra 12 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: the Seventh and bust a few myths. First off, Cleopatra 13 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: was not Egyptian. She was the last in a long 14 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: line of Macedonian Greek kings and queens who ruled Egypt 15 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: starting with the conquest of Alexander the Great. After Alexander's death, 16 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: his general tal of Me the First was installed as 17 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: king of Egypt, which he ruled as a Greek from 18 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: the Hellenistic capital of Alexandria. Although Cleopatra was not Egyptian. 19 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: She did make explicit overtures to Egyptian religion and culture, 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: such as identifying herself with the goddess Isis. She was 21 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: also the first ruler in the centuries long Ptolemaic dynasty 22 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: who bothered to learn how to speak Egyptian. In addition 23 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: to speaking Greek and Egyptian, Cleopatra was fluent in at 24 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: least six other languages. A highly educated woman, she published 25 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: two known texts, one on the care of the body 26 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: and the other on weights and measures for medicine and trade. 27 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: The Roman enemies of Egypt sought to denigrate Cleopatra by 28 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: painting her as a harlot queen who bewitched great men 29 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: like Julius Caesar and Mark Anthony with her physical beauty alone. 30 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: But even the Roman historian plutarch A, writing a century 31 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: after Cleopatra's death, said there was much more to the 32 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,919 Speaker 1: queen than her looks. Here's how he described her. Her beauty, 33 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: as we are told, was in itself not altogether incomparable, 34 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: nor such as to strike those who saw her, But 35 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: to converse with her had an irresistible charm, and her presence, 36 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: combined with the persuasiveness of her discourse and the character, 37 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: which was somehow diffused about her behavior towards others, had 38 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: something stimulating about it. There was a sweetness also in 39 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: the tones of her voice and her tongue, Like an 40 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: instrument of many strings. She could readily turn to whatever 41 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 1: language she pleased, so that in her interviews she very 42 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: seldom had need of an interpreter. Jones said that compared 43 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: with the military minded Anthony, who was quote not known 44 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: for being the sharpest attack in the box, Cleopatra was 45 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: famous for her intellect. Nonetheless, the Roman poet Lucan described 46 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: Cleopatra as a list sivious fury, ruled only by her passions, 47 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: but she had only two romantic partners in her short 48 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: thirty nine year life, and Jones says that both relationships 49 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: were political as well as personal. When Cleopatra took the 50 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: Egyptian throne at eighteen, she inherited a kingdom in decline. 51 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: Rome was the ascendant power in the Mediterranean, and Egypt's 52 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: independence was under threat. To make matters worse, her younger 53 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: brother and co ruler and husband It's complicated, was trying 54 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: to push her out. When Julius Caesar came to Egypt, 55 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: in pursuit of his rival Pompey, Cleopatra saw an opportunity 56 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: to win a powerful Roman ally. According to Plutarch's famous account, 57 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: a middle aged Caesar first laid eyes on Cleopatra when 58 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: she smuggled herself into his quarters and tumbled out of 59 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: a carpet or more likely a basket of laundry. The 60 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: young Cleopatra, one Caesar's affections, took back the throne and 61 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: sealed the alliance with the birth of a son, whom 62 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: she not so subtly named Cesarean, which means Little Caesar. 63 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: She now had family ties to Rome. Cleopatra's later relationship 64 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: with Mark Antony, who was second in command to Caesar, 65 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: was immortalized by William Shakespeare in the play Anthony and 66 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: Cleopatra as one of the most legendary and tragic love 67 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: affairs in history, but it too, primarily served a political purpose. 68 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: Egypt may have enjoyed great wealth and resources, but after 69 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: Caesar's assassination, Cleopatra knew that her kingdom was still at 70 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: the whim of Rome, the reigning superpower. Jones explained, Cleopatra 71 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: was well aware that in order for Egypt to remain 72 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: independent at all it needed a powerful protector. Caesar's death 73 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: had left a power vacuum in Rome, and two prominent 74 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: men Caesar's chosen hair, Octavian and Anthony, the ambitious politician 75 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: in general, were fighting a civil war to fill it. 76 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: Octavian had the financial backing of the Senate, but Antony 77 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: desperately needed money to pay his troops. Once again, Cleopatra 78 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: saw an inn. Writing of the first meeting between Anthony 79 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: and Cleopatra, Plutarch paints a picture of an older, wiser 80 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: woman intent on preserving her kingdom with her charm and 81 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: her resources. Anthony needed money, and Cleopatra was the richest 82 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: woman in the world. In exchange for her financial support, 83 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: Anthony became Egypt's ally and defender again to Roman encroachment, 84 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: and gave Cleopatra, whom he eventually married, three more airs. However, 85 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: and spoiler alert for Shakespeare's play, their marriage ended in 86 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: a tragic double suicide, though it probably didn't go down 87 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: exactly as Shakespeare wrote it in the play. Anthony, falsely 88 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: believing Cleopatra to be dead after a failed sea battle 89 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,559 Speaker 1: against Octavian, falls on his own sword and eventually dies 90 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: in her arms from the wound. Cleopatra, not willing to 91 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: be paraded in the streets of Rome as a prisoner 92 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: of war, has a poisonous snake smuggled into her quarters. 93 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: In the final scene of the play, she hugs the 94 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: snake to her bosom and says, with thy sharp teeth, 95 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: this not intrinsicate of life at once, Untie, poor, venomous, fool, 96 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: be angry, and dispatch. Include Ark's version of the story, 97 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: the snake and Asps specifically is hidden in a basket 98 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: of large figs. He wrote, it is said that the 99 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: asp was brought with those figs and leaves, and lay 100 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: hidden beneath them. For thus Cleopatra had given orders that 101 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: the reptile might fasten itself upon her body without her 102 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: being aware of it. But when she took away some 103 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: of the figs and saw it, she said, there it is, 104 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: you see, and bearing her arm, she held it out 105 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: for the bite. But even Plutarch atmits that there were 106 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: various accounts of Cleopatra's death, and that quote the truth 107 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: of the matter no one knows. For it was also 108 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: said that she carried about poison in a hollow comb, 109 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: and kept the comb hidden in her hair. Modern scholars 110 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: say that poison would have been a much simpler and 111 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: faster way to go, but that Cleopatra likely included the 112 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: more dramatic snake story in her suicide note to Octavian, 113 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: which also requested that she'd be buried next to her antony. 114 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: Today's episode was written by Dave Ruse and produced by 115 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: Tyler clayg. For more on this and lots of other 116 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: historical topics, visit how stuff works dot com. Brain Stuff 117 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: is production of I heart Radio. 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