WEBVTT - The Rules with Dylan Mulvaney… (S3 E18 “Cock-a-Doodle-Do”) 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:04.880 Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:10.960 you a Charlotte? You guys, welcome back to Are You 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:15.920 a Charlotte. We are here with the fantastic Dylan mulvaney, 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:19.439 and we are going to rewatch now more specifically, do 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:23.560 our rewatch of cocka Doodle Doo. Yes, the finale of 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:25.479 season three, Work Sex the City. 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:30.320 We're going to try to be less adhd if possible, promises, 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:31.120 but it's a good time. 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:33.640 It's a good time, all right. So this to me 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:39.200 is in so many ways as the Highs and the lows, 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:41.400 right Like, it does so many great things, and then 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:46.120 it has this this slightly insane and cringe worthy Samantha storyline, 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.080 which we will get into specifically, but it also has 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:54.280 just incredible storyline, especially for Carrie and Miranda. Yes, I think, 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:56.280 and the reason that I love it is so many 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.200 different things. But I mean, first of all, there's things 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:02.040 like one I did not remember, like this craziness that 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.839 Carrie hears roosters crowing all night and all day, which 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:07.440 is also. 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:09.440 Odd, and it was in a sound machine. No, they 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:09.839 were real. 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:12.920 They were real, and they were in a veterinary like rescue. 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:16.760 They were rescued. She finds out next door on the 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:19.600 Upper East Side, which, okay, I've never heard of this. 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.360 They got rescued from cock fighting, right, which is. 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:24.920 A real thing. That there are still cockfighting things going on, 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:27.680 which is insane, right, But like you know, I've never 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:32.160 I don't know if any rooster rescues in New York City. 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.759 Well, sounds like there's a hole in the market. I mean, 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:35.600 maybe here we go. 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:37.520 I should go back and ask them, like, where'd you 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.000 guys come up with this? Because usually they. 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.959 Haven't see actual roosters, now, I never didn't think. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.200 She does go to the vet, right, and then she 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:46.800 feels bad when she finds out that they've been rescued 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:48.600 right from the bronx. 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:50.600 I think, like the line producer probably said no on 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:54.600 that one of seeing the real roosters, probably, but then 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:56.800 they said we'll just stick them in the basement. 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.640 Right, And she's like no, no, no. She feels guilty 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:01.560 that the poor roosters are going to have to go 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.240 to the basement. But also she never hears anyone really 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:06.720 tell her that it's roosters not chickens, because then when 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:08.799 she talks to Big on the phone, she's like there's 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.960 chickens and they're crowing, and he's like roosters. 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:15.640 She's like whatever, she's going crazy. 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:19.160 She is losing her mind a little bit. But it's adorable. 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:21.560 And also I think it was really hot that summer. 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:23.359 That's what went through my head many times. Oh, and 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.280 I didn't tell you my story about the roof. This 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:28.560 is the one thing that I remember the most vividly. 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:30.760 I didn't even remember that awesome scene that Kyle and 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:32.920 I did laying on against the wall. I had no 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.000 memory of it. Alan Culture, the director brought it up 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.920 to me in his episode as something like he was 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:40.320 bringing up the things that he fondly remembered as being 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:42.799 like good moments that we did together, and I was like, yeah, 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:44.960 I don't remember that at all. He said, I really 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.400 loved it because at the time, he said, we had 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.360 tried to block it many different ways, and then finally 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:52.200 we were like, none of this works. Let's just lean 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.799 against the wall, Like, let's just lean against the wall 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:57.480 and just talk simply, you know, which I think really 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:58.799 was powerful and worked. 0:02:59.000 --> 0:02:59.440 Honest. 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:01.359 Yeah, it was great. It was amazing, and I was 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:04.400 so happy that it that it stood the test of 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:06.960 time and was awesome, and I don't even remember, Like 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:09.680 online we put Kyle and people were like, why did 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:11.600 you even give up with that character train? And I'm like, 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:14.639 I don't know, because I forget the things right. I 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:18.560 vaguely remember the impotence, but I didn't remember that. Then 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.680 we have sex once we separate. It's all very interesting. 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.399 But the roof the roof fact, this is the roof 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:27.280 scene at the end of the episode, the roofstee at 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:27.680 the end. 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:31.480 Of the episode with the very very much used photograph 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:34.320 of us, where they were like laugh, everybody laugh, and 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.840 so we're like, ah, it was so hot that the 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:41.280 tar on the top of that rooftop was melted and 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:43.440 ruined all of our shoes. 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:44.360 On the bottom side. 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.720 Yes, And it was the end of the season. So 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:49.560 Sin and I had gotten an ice cream truck because 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:51.760 we knew it was hot, right to bring ice cream 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:53.680 for the whole crew, But we were on the roof. 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:57.320 It was like thirty floors up. The elevator broke people, 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:00.560 so we had to walk. We had to get the 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:04.680 boxes of ice cream and walk them up all of 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.080 these stairs. It was probably melted by the time. It 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.000 was a little melted, but no one cared. No one 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.760 so happy to get anything cold in any way, even 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.240 slightly cold up to the tippy top and the other 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.760 thing that I saw recently, and it really really just 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:20.880 brought back so many memories for me, because I do 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.640 remember when I talk to people on the podcast, they're like, oh, 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:25.800 you guys were the biggest hit right away. That was 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:27.919 not our experience. Our experience was that we had to 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:29.960 work hard and we had to do press. We would 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.600 talk to anybody for years and years and years. Right, 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:37.520 Someone like ET maybe or E came to the set 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:41.680 that day that sweltering over one hundred degree day to 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:45.200 talk to maybe all of us, but definitely Sarah Jessica 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.039 about who what is the show? People were still asking 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.400 us what is the show? Right? This is season three 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:54.360 and she gives the most adorable interview that is on Instagram. 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:58.320 She just she's like, well, I played Carrie and I 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.039 write a sex column for the absurd. He and I 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.000 have girlfriends and they're in the show with me, and 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:06.440 there's Charlotte and she believes in love and she's a 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.680 little bit more like so by the just couldn't like 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:11.839 straight up do you what I mean? And she tells 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:15.160 the whole thing, like just in one day, which if 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.640 you ever see Sir Jessica now in an interview situation, 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:22.080 it's a much more complex situation going on. Yes, she's 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:25.280 not really anybody any any easy answers, no, no. But 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.240 back then, that's how important we felt like it was 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:31.200 to sell the show. Yes, the people understand, like, we're 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.800 not a logline of this exactly, We're not real sex, 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.760 you know on HBO in the middle of the night. 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.120 We this is what we are. It's adorable. And she's 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:41.800 wearing that whole outfit. She's wearing her. 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:45.280 Little like it's like a diaper kind of but it's 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:47.480 the cutest diaper you've ever seen in your entire life, 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:48.000 with like a. 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.039 Whole thing off, and it's like a creation of She 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:51.840 and Passion were. 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:55.760 Kind of giving like thirteen going on thirty. 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:57.400 Percent, which I think is like similar years. 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:59.400 Yeah, and we're back in it, babe, I. 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:01.640 Know we are back. And I also feel like Pat 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.359 Pat has got me in a short skirt, which is 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.880 really against my you know what I want to be wearing. 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:08.960 And you can tell by the fact that I literally 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:12.159 don't get up off that thing. I like wriggle around 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:15.719 a little bit. I'm like worried about my legs. I'm 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.400 just really worried about my legs. The whole scene, that's 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:19.680 all I can think of what I watch it, and 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.880 I just remember like just the heat radiating up from 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:27.760 that bar, you know, and everybody just sweat weltering and 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:31.640 sweaty and trying to be jovial. And Carrie's got to 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:33.960 get up and do her her turn, and she was 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.159 all worried because she's wearing her nude fish net, which 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:37.920 was like a big thing at the time. We were 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:39.719 all out trying to find the nude fish net. 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.560 Very have seen those yet, I don't think this year. 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:47.240 I haven't either. Okay, anyway, back to the episode. Back 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.960 to the episode, So let's just do Charlotte because that's 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:55.160 going to be the easiest. Great So, yeah, it's Charlotte. 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:56.840 We come to her at the coffee shop. That's the 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:58.880 first time we see her, and she's sad about Trey 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.840 and she said about that she separated and that who 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.400 wants to be divorced at thirty whatever she is at 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:10.280 the time, and they're kind of trying to Oh, they 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.080 come over to my apartment and unpack, which was weird 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:15.840 because I guess we haven't gone through the whole thing 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.560 where I end up getting his apartment. I hadn't remembered 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:20.400 that at all. But there's a pink lamp that I 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:23.080 still have in my own bedroom, and there's a mirror 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.040 that I had for many years that moved with Charlotte, 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.600 you know, around that I got to keep, you know, 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.200 which is nice. Yeah, I love that pink lamp. But 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.040 I don't remember this at all. And it's so sweet 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.000 that the girls come to help me unpack. And it's 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.760 a very Alan culter scene because we're all moving in 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.720 and out of frame, but the frame doesn't really move. 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:42.960 And it was a really hard thing as an actor 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.080 to remember, like, oh, I've got to be to this 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:47.680 place by this line, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.280 that was his specialty in a way. So we always knew, 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:52.320 like you have to be like have your thinking cap on, 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:54.239 like have enough coffee on the day that Alan culture 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.560 is there so that you can do the choreography exactly 0:07:57.840 --> 0:07:58.400 on Broadway. 0:07:58.840 --> 0:07:59.360 There we go. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:04.520 I hope I can live up to that fantasy. Then 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.360 then so I say, oh, I have this scene where 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.120 I like walk to the doorway and say, like, wouldn't 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:12.920 it be great if men didn't exist? And then we 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:16.520 wouldn't feel disappointed? I mean, have you seen this thing 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.679 about this article that this woman wrote about that people 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:23.640 are embarrassed to post their boyfriends. Now, yes, it's so great. 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:27.680 It's kind of iconic, right, but it is it's how 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.440 wild that we got to that from where she was 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:32.920 in that doorway. 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.320 Right, because like back then, you know, and this is 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:38.240 someone who desperately wanted to get married, right, but then 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.240 who's obviously so disappointed. 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.560 And every other character had almost said that in a 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:46.800 different context before, but we never thought we'd see never, Charlotte. 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:48.440 Never, and Charlotte's like, it would just be so much 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.280 better if there were nomen and we could just feel 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.360 good about ourselves. And that's kind of what we're seeing 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:57.440 in this interesting twenty twenty five version of like we 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.000 can make our own living. We've got our great house, 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.560 we've got our great friends, we've got our dogs, we're 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:03.720 traveling wherever it is. 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:07.280 If it's kind of creating boundaries and relationships in a 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.640 way that like of being so clear about what it 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:13.800 is you're looking for and what you want in someone else, 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:17.760 and if they don't meet the mark, then your character 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:22.240 did that I think probably the clearest of being pretty specific. 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:26.040 She was certainly very specific. I think her the main 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:29.400 lesson in Tray, which I didn't realize was as complicated 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:31.680 as it is, right and we're only part way through 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:35.160 it by this episode, but you know, her issue was 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.560 that she wanted the picture book, right, like you know 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.200 how there's going to be that scene where he comes 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:40.680 to take the picture with her, even though. 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.160 It's really over one of the home and gardens. 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:45.360 He understands, yeah, exactly, he understands how important that is 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.079 for her, right, and that is something that's really important 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.560 for her. But that is an empty picture, you know, 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.199 And so that's her lesson, is that learning that your 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:57.600 your picture perfect doesn't make you happy, right, And that's 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.280 why then Harry you know, shows up on this and 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:02.680 does make her happy, Thank goodness, because that's what she 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.240 really wanted and needed. But you have to be smart 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:07.199 enough and know yourself well enough. Right. 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:11.520 She almost manifested too hard, And I think for. 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.800 Sure she was so focused. And I do think that 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:17.559 when when women focus, they focus, you know, one hundred 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.240 and fifty percent, and they do get what they want 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:25.000 it's just not necessarily they don't They don't want what's 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:27.040 actually going to make them happy, right, But they don't 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:29.280 know this until they get it and find that out right. 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.439 And that's what I loved about Charlotte. And that was 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.240 the plan. I mean, our writers this was They told 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:36.040 me that was the plan, and I was like, okay. 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.560 But then once Kyle came, I was like, but you guys, 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:42.080 we can't let him go. 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:44.000 But he played it so well. 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:47.720 So brilliantly, so brilliantly, so brilliantly. He's so good in 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:51.120 that scene when we lean on the on the backboard 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.040 and I ask him, you know whatever it is, it's 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:54.719 like the lower part of the wall. And I ask 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:57.680 him like, did you actually ever really want to marry me? 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:00.400 And he says, well, I don't know that I really 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:02.360 wanted to marry anyone. Does he say that or something 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:03.959 like that? He said, I just thought I should. It's 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.840 nice to hear man saying that. Yes, interesting right, like. 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.480 The and it's a different flip of your coin, because 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.960 you obviously were like, I should get married. I will 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.840 get married, and it should look exactly like this, So 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.319 he almost you were guilty of a similar crime. 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:23.080 Definitely, which is so perfect, so perfect, yea, so perfect. 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:27.400 And then he says very sweetly, and I say something like, well, 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.200 why did you then? And he said, you know, because 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.640 I felt like I had to in society tell me 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:33.520 I have to. But also I didn't think I'd ever 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.959 find anyone better than you or whatever, more perfect or 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:38.800 something so sweet. 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:41.080 Sad like he loved her. 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.840 I know, but it says, but then we carry on 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:44.400 next season. 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:46.080 Oh yep, sod it. 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:46.920 I don't remember. 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.680 I don't know what happens, okay, because not all that 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:51.400 the crazy sex hasn't happened yet. 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:54.760 No, I mean just once, the one the one time, right, 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:56.720 But can I just say I don't know if I 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:58.720 should say this, but I mean I could watch Kyle 0:11:58.760 --> 0:11:59.600 and I kissing all day. 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.080 Oh it's it works, it's let me tell you. Chemistry 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.280 is great. And it was so I think it was 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.920 as an audience member, we we wanted. 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:09.960 That, like it was like I want it and I 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:11.439 was in it, so refreshing. 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:11.880 Right. 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:16.359 Yeah, it's also how interesting that you've built this relationship 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.960 with this this relationship up with this other actor and 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.760 you haven't done any of those sex scenes, whereas everybody 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.200 else is meeting someone the first day and then so 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:26.880 you're obviously so comfortable with Kyle at that point, right, 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:28.719 and then it's like you're finally doing what everybody else 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:30.199 has been doing the entire season. 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.240 Which is a much weight. It's very hard to just 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.040 meet someone and have to jump in bed with them 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:35.199 on the set, you know what I'm saying. 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.000 It's very odd, and so Kyle was probably one of 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.760 the few that you got that to do that with. 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:41.680 Oh, for sure, for sure, for sure. I mean I 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:43.720 have been making out with him for many many months 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:44.880 at this point, do you know what I mean? 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:45.200 Yeah. 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.320 But also it was very tasteful the way we do, 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.640 you know this particular like he comes in the door 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:52.839 and then it's craziness, but then we just fall out 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:54.479 of frame, which is cute, I thought. 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.040 And I think to land that next moment of the 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:00.520 honesty of it, so that it didn't feel camp, you know. 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.880 Definitely, No, I know, Alan Culture did a great job. 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:06.760 I know he is a good director. We always loved him. 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:08.400 He was one of my absolute favorites, which is why 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.880 I had him on the Pond. All right, So that's Charlotte, 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:16.280 and yes, so he confesses that he says he hadn't 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.360 felt the sex drive since before they got engaged, which 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:22.800 is interesting because you know, Charlotte was the one who 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.120 was like, I'm going to make him wait because I 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.240 think this could be the one, which I think is 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:31.240 such a misguided thing of waiting. Yeah, yeah, I mean 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:33.840 I don't think it's misguided to wait a little bit, right, Like, 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:35.720 I don't think I think that if you don't wait 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:37.120 at all, it could Yes, tell. 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.120 Us, Oh my god, the rules. Did you ever read 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:43.240 the rook? I had a whole last year's situation? Last 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:46.120 year we went. I I was a bridesmaid. I know, 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:51.880 I know it. So I was a bridesmaid in my 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:56.000 godsister's wedding and it was, you know, me, this transgirl 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.000 living in LA And then the most wholesome, sort of 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:02.200 you know, couple that had gotten married the early twenties, 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:05.400 and all were on a boat for her bachelorette and 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.600 there and I'm telling them I'm the only single one, 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.840 you know, and they're all married off and most beautiful 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.080 blondes you've ever seen, and they go, you need to 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.680 read the rules. We've all got our husbands because. 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:17.079 Of the rules. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:18.480 Oh Jesus Christ. 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.800 And I'm going, well, I think Amazon it to the boat. 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.360 I think I got a dinghy for five ninety nine extra. 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.200 But I mean, and then it became my bible because 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:28.880 I said, well, if it worked for them in Colorado, 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:30.640 it's going to work for me a trans girl in 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:35.560 the spotlight in La And it did not. But one 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.200 of them was that you can't have sex until like 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.720 the third or fourth date or something, and it's like, 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:44.920 well that's hard, and then I'm And there was other 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.440 ones though, where I obviously I think we both love 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:49.960 to talk, but it was like, you can't ask a 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.520 question before, like you, and then you can't call. 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:55.160 Them first, you can't so many. 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.440 You can't visit them if you're a long distance like 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.880 And I lived by that for so long until I like, 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.360 I forget what the turning point was. But there was 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:06.320 one night where I was reading it and it was 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:10.120 towards the end and I was like this and it 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:13.160 because it was like it literally was how to take 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:15.560 away all of your parts of yourself in order to 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:20.240 be a good wife or a potential And then I 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.120 was like, but then what happens when you actually get 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.520 married and then they find out who you are? For sure, 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:26.760 but maybe was it kind of Do you think Charlotte 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:27.680 would have read the rules? 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:29.560 Oh? Yeah, No, Charlotte's got a bunch of books. I 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.480 can't remember if I held the rules up. She's got 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.840 a bunch of books. She's got the book about how 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.240 you need to look at it like a corporate you know, 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.560 job right, She's got to make cold calls and whatever, 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:41.960 call her married friend's husbands and ask them to set 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:43.760 her up on dates whatever. That was a weird one. 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:45.880 And then you got set up with the married guy 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:47.480 exactly the friend. 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:50.640 Oh to me, Trey, But yeah, that was so wicky 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:54.040 and Charlotte's like what, which I thought was funny. But 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.040 I do think she had the Rules on her bookshelf 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.800 at one point, like maybe first or second season, because 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:01.400 I I mean, there was a time where you couldn't 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:02.720 escape that book. 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:03.520 It was everywhere. 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:14.560 Yeah. 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:18.000 Also, do you think this idea of her saving herself 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:21.160 for marriage? Did she obviously had had sex before? 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:21.920 Clearly? 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:26.240 And then did I think I remember that correctly? Yeah? 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.840 But did do you think that she was like this 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:30.800 is the one I want, so I'm going to do 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:31.440 it differently? 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.880 Definitely? Well, I think I think she she tried many things, right, 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:36.680 like how you do when you have this goal but 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:38.440 you don't know how to get to it, And so 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.200 she tried many things, and she did, I think have 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.760 in her head in general. You know, I've got to 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:48.280 keep him like because she doesn't. They just make out 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:51.000 for weeks, man, Yes, and I won't let him in 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:52.800 the house or whatever. It's crazy. 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.400 But do you think would it have it would have 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:57.920 gone differently if she would have had sex with him? 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.680 Well, I think it would have gone differently because I feel, 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.920 I feel what do I know? Right? They are fictional 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:04.840 characters fight. 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:07.160 Just for a second. 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.480 What would have happened? Was that? So he says in 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.959 this scene, I haven't felt this sex strive since before 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.640 we got engaged, right, So that means when they got 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.640 engaged with Charlotte engineers, Yes, you know what I mean? 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.040 Like that was Charlotte's doing the timing of it, right, 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.960 Maybe he was thinking it, but he's not gonna do 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.159 it right then. And then he buys her the ring 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.159 because she's pouting and blah blah blah blah. Right, so 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:32.280 it was all kind of backwards in some alrighty, Yes, 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:36.480 the nightmare the nightmare word, Yes, that that was. People 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:38.200 just said that to us all the time for quite 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:43.199 some time. I think what would have happened was they 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:44.480 would have been free. 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.680 To define their relationship exactly see. 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:50.920 And they would have been free from whatever constraints shut 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.520 him down, right, which has to do obviously with his 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.040 mother and whatnot. 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:56.000 And your pressure to. 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:59.080 And my pressure on my timeline to get engaged and 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.879