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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? You guys, welcome back to Are You

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Speaker 1: a Charlotte. We are here with the fantastic Dylan mulvaney,

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Speaker 1: and we are going to rewatch now more specifically, do

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Speaker 1: our rewatch of cocka Doodle Doo. Yes, the finale of

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Speaker 1: season three, Work Sex the City.

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Speaker 2: We're going to try to be less adhd if possible, promises,

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Speaker 2: but it's a good time.

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Speaker 1: It's a good time, all right. So this to me

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Speaker 1: is in so many ways as the Highs and the lows,

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Speaker 1: right Like, it does so many great things, and then

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Speaker 1: it has this this slightly insane and cringe worthy Samantha storyline,

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Speaker 1: which we will get into specifically, but it also has

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Speaker 1: just incredible storyline, especially for Carrie and Miranda. Yes, I think,

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Speaker 1: and the reason that I love it is so many

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Speaker 1: different things. But I mean, first of all, there's things

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Speaker 1: like one I did not remember, like this craziness that

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Speaker 1: Carrie hears roosters crowing all night and all day, which

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Speaker 1: is also.

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Speaker 2: Odd, and it was in a sound machine. No, they

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Speaker 2: were real.

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Speaker 1: They were real, and they were in a veterinary like rescue.

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Speaker 1: They were rescued. She finds out next door on the

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Speaker 1: Upper East Side, which, okay, I've never heard of this.

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Speaker 2: They got rescued from cock fighting, right, which is.

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Speaker 1: A real thing. That there are still cockfighting things going on,

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Speaker 1: which is insane, right, But like you know, I've never

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Speaker 1: I don't know if any rooster rescues in New York City.

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Speaker 2: Well, sounds like there's a hole in the market. I mean,

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Speaker 2: maybe here we go.

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Speaker 1: I should go back and ask them, like, where'd you

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Speaker 1: guys come up with this? Because usually they.

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Speaker 2: Haven't see actual roosters, now, I never didn't think.

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Speaker 1: She does go to the vet, right, and then she

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Speaker 1: feels bad when she finds out that they've been rescued

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Speaker 1: right from the bronx.

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Speaker 2: I think, like the line producer probably said no on

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Speaker 2: that one of seeing the real roosters, probably, but then

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Speaker 2: they said we'll just stick them in the basement.

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Speaker 1: Right, And she's like no, no, no. She feels guilty

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Speaker 1: that the poor roosters are going to have to go

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Speaker 1: to the basement. But also she never hears anyone really

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Speaker 1: tell her that it's roosters not chickens, because then when

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Speaker 1: she talks to Big on the phone, she's like there's

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Speaker 1: chickens and they're crowing, and he's like roosters.

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Speaker 2: She's like whatever, she's going crazy.

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Speaker 1: She is losing her mind a little bit. But it's adorable.

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Speaker 1: And also I think it was really hot that summer.

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Speaker 1: That's what went through my head many times. Oh, and

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Speaker 1: I didn't tell you my story about the roof. This

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Speaker 1: is the one thing that I remember the most vividly.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even remember that awesome scene that Kyle and

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Speaker 1: I did laying on against the wall. I had no

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Speaker 1: memory of it. Alan Culture, the director brought it up

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Speaker 1: bringing up the things that he fondly remembered as being

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Speaker 1: like good moments that we did together, and I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember that at all. He said, I really

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Speaker 1: tried to block it many different ways, and then finally

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Speaker 1: we were like, none of this works. Let's just lean

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Speaker 1: and just talk simply, you know, which I think really

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Speaker 2: Honest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great. It was amazing, and I was

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Speaker 1: online we put Kyle and people were like, why did

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Speaker 1: you even give up with that character train? And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, because I forget the things right. I

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Speaker 1: vaguely remember the impotence, but I didn't remember that. Then

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Speaker 1: we have sex once we separate. It's all very interesting.

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Speaker 2: But the roof the roof fact, this is the roof

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Speaker 2: scene at the end of the episode, the roofstee at

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Speaker 1: Of the episode with the very very much used photograph

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Speaker 1: Yes, And it was the end of the season. So

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Speaker 1: Sin and I had gotten an ice cream truck because

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Speaker 1: remember when I talk to people on the podcast, they're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that day that sweltering over one hundred degree day to

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Speaker 1: about who what is the show? People were still asking

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Speaker 1: and she gives the most adorable interview that is on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: She just she's like, well, I played Carrie and I

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Speaker 1: write a sex column for the absurd. He and I

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Speaker 1: it's a much more complex situation going on. Yes, she's

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Speaker 2: Very have seen those yet, I don't think this year.

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Speaker 2: It's really over one of the home and gardens.

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Speaker 1: And so that's her lesson, is that learning that your

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Speaker 2: Us, Oh my god, the rules. Did you ever read

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Speaker 2: the rook? I had a whole last year's situation? Last

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Speaker 3: Of the rules.

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Speaker 2: To define their relationship exactly see.

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Speaker 2: Well, yea, those families do breed him that way, so sure.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we will never know.

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Speaker 1: But I think what's great is whatever's gonna we're going

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Speaker 2: I don't remember this, Well you're about to.

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Speaker 2: It's so good it's really good.

437
00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,320
Speaker 1: It's so good. And if you think about the whole

438
00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,320
Speaker 1: trajectory of Miranda, including the films, and in just like

439
00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:41,080
Speaker 1: that she's struggling with the fact that she's judgmental, it's

440
00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,040
Speaker 1: so great and I love her so much.

441
00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,800
Speaker 2: And the ft it's like triggered in the weirdest way

442
00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:51,280
Speaker 2: of her ordering food yes and feeling judged yes.

443
00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,320
Speaker 1: Because the girl laughs at her and knows her her order.

444
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,120
Speaker 1: And then she goes down there to confront this woman

445
00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,639
Speaker 1: who's laughing at her and sees her laughing in the

446
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,040
Speaker 1: same way with someone else over nothing, and then she

447
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,240
Speaker 1: realizes that it's not about her, which is like so

448
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:05,480
Speaker 1: true to life.

449
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,320
Speaker 2: There's so many of those moments where you like, I

450
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,840
Speaker 2: think it's somebody. A lot of people say they're never

451
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 2: thinking about you the way that you think they are.

452
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 2: We're all so like individual that it's we're not thinking

453
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,240
Speaker 2: about other people that we're not.

454
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 1: But of course you take it personally if you feel

455
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 1: like someone at the time.

456
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,199
Speaker 2: And which Miranda, would you ever have those conversations in

457
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,719
Speaker 2: the shower with yourself where like you it's like all

458
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,280
Speaker 2: the things you would say to a person if you

459
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:31,960
Speaker 2: were And then those conversations never happen.

460
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,399
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but that's what I love so much about

461
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 1: Miranda and Carrie, Like when they do get in this

462
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 1: fight in.

463
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,879
Speaker 2: This the first big one ever, it's the first.

464
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,679
Speaker 1: Well, there is one earlier on that's also about Big,

465
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:51,120
Speaker 1: where Carrie calls her from a phone booth in the rain,

466
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,440
Speaker 1: and then you think she might be calling me Big,

467
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 1: But then she goes and she meets Miranda. Miranda's all

468
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 1: wet and she's come to the coffee shop. That I

469
00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,680
Speaker 1: think was the first fight. Yes, it wasn't as in

470
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:01,640
Speaker 1: depth as this fight.

471
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,679
Speaker 2: This fight to me, all of it on the table.

472
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 1: It was so good and so risky, Like I never

473
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 1: fight with my girlfriends.

474
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 3: I'd be scared to death.

475
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,919
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say never. Occasionally a fight will happen. The

476
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 1: tension is like, I feel like it's very risky to

477
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,479
Speaker 1: say things like this to your girlfriends.

478
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 2: Because that's your safe space.

479
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 1: It's your safe space, and you might be blowing up

480
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 1: your safe space because literally, Miranda says to carry, I

481
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: do not want to hear about Big again, and I

482
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 1: do not want you coming to cry on my shoulder,

483
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 1: you know, And she's not wrong, right, But then in

484
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 1: the end, of course she is wrong, because of course

485
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:39,880
Speaker 1: you're going to be there for your friend to cry

486
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 1: and the shoulder, and if the friend has to go

487
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 1: through that, the friend has to go through that.

488
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 2: And I think that that was such a growing pain

489
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 2: moment of like, because it then it leveled the playing

490
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 2: field in a way, because I think they both got

491
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 2: everything they needed to off their chest, not in the

492
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 2: most productive way, but in a way that then their friendship.

493
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 2: When you get through something like that, it only becomes richer.

494
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that's what is so incredible about them, because

495
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: they're both so strong in their own ways. I mean,

496
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 1: Miranda's kind of more openly strong and Judgie, but Carrie's

497
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: very strong as well, right, and she stands right back

498
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 1: up to her in the vintage shop. You know, that's

499
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: the whole thing in the veneed shop. I had forgot.

500
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 2: Stubborn all about it. Well, still, the girls can be stubborn.

501
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 2: That's very true.

502
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: That's very very true in their own ways. It's very

503
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 1: very true, very very true. All right.

504
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 2: So wait, oh, they run into the boyfriends.

505
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: They run into the boyfriends. That was so crazy. I

506
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: didn't remember that. I didn't even remember that. Steve and

507
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 1: Aiden become friends. But it totally makes so much sense.

508
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 1: They both have their dogs, they're both like regular guys, right,

509
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: I mean, is Aidan simple? I don't think so. It

510
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: kind of seems like you might be there.

511
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 2: I think it's the delusion of the girls, because that's

512
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 2: I feel like me and my girlfriends we operate out

513
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 2: of delusion, and that that's why we've gotten where we

514
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 2: are is because we're like, well, of course they're these

515
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 2: guys are just having drinks, thinking about us and talking

516
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 2: about us with other women.

517
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: Right.

518
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 2: And then but when those girls walk coming out or

519
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 2: just wherever those women are, I know, and they it

520
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 2: hits you and it's the most embarrassing thing, and you

521
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 2: fall from this pedestal. And and then when they're you know,

522
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: they're bumping. They don't know where to do with their.

523
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: Bodies when they can't get out. Oh my god.

524
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 2: But have you ever had any weird run ins with xes?

525
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: Oh? L, I'm sure I have. I don't even know.

526
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: Your questions are too good and scary scary, yes, scary

527
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,479
Speaker 1: you can tell by the deer in the headlights. I

528
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: can't think right now. I mean, yeah, I I generally

529
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 1: am relatively friendly with my exits.

530
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 2: How about have you ever worn something that like you

531
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: knew you were going to see your ex and so

532
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 2: you're like, I'm going to look I'm going to look

533
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 2: like this.

534
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: Well for sure, I mean it's been a while. It's

535
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 1: been a second, yes, since I've been concerned with any xes,

536
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: Let's put it that way. They're like, I'm like kind

537
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: of over it all, do you know what I mean?

538
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: Not yet, I'm concerned about are you exes? Yeah?

539
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 3: Are you well?

540
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 2: Because maybe one of them could still be up the

541
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 2: one you know?

542
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: Have you heard is it opal lighte? I'm going to

543
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: talk to Taylor Swift song right now. Okay, she has

544
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: this line. I love it so much. So at the

545
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: beginning of you heard is it op light she says,

546
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 1: I have this habit of living in the past. I

547
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: think she says, thinking about my exes. My brother calls

548
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: it eating from the trash.

549
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 2: Honey, pull the trash can out because I'm I'm hungry interest.

550
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if you should do that though, no, no, no,

551
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 1: can be a waste of time.

552
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 2: And then I wrote down a quote. I'm going to

553
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 2: a quote this episode and sad, I wish it was

554
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 2: a Taylor swift lyric. But this one way the rear

555
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 2: view mirror, the relationship appears closer than the relationship appears

556
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: closer than it appears.

557
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: Listen, I'm a master at this, and I just need

558
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: to tell you, don't waste your time with this.

559
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 2: Okay.

560
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: If they're gone, they're gone for a reason. They're gonna

561
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: come back. Don't let them. You need to be moving

562
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: forward this take it from me. I've spent a lot

563
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: of time waiting for it.

564
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 2: In the way that Alabama guy taught me, he was like,

565
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: you're a woman. I'm also now Kristin Davis has taught

566
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 2: me that I don't need to go back to the battle.

567
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 2: You don't let it go.

568
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: They're going to come.

569
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 2: But I will say, but the rear view mirror for Carrie,

570
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 2: I think is really interesting because you start to romanticize it.

571
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: Once the time goes on, you're like, wait, what was

572
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: so bad? Right?

573
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: But that's what I do love about Carrie, because Carrie

574
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: in this is the episode where they go and have

575
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: lunch at the boat house and fall in the pond,

576
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: which was like a very big deal, and she wears

577
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: that incredible. I think it's a Richard Tyler dress.

578
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: Who it's almost that we think it's going to be

579
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 2: the naked dress because of she's.

580
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: But it's lunch, right, it's lunch, and it's and it's better.

581
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: It's better. But I remember the stress about them falling

582
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 1: in the pond and they had like hydrogen peroxide to

583
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: like pour them because it's green. It's solid green in

584
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: that pond. Like you don't want to go in that pond,

585
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But it was such a

586
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: great thing that they were like, yeah, we're going to

587
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: do it. So they had we had like first daid

588
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: there and everything, and then she cuts her foot in

589
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: the pond. Yeah, she cut her foot in the pond.

590
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: She had to go get a tetanis shot. And then

591
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: this is another thing that I remember happening because I

592
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 1: wasn't there that day, but I remember like there's a

593
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: big rum. You're you're you're worried, like how's it going?

594
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: And I think Sarah and I might have had our

595
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: blackberries at that point, the original ones, like the tiny

596
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,239
Speaker 1: little ones. Yeah, and we text all day, you know,

597
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: and I was like so worried, like how's it going,

598
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,479
Speaker 1: How's it going? And you know, how they fall they

599
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: fall so beautifully in the water because he kind of

600
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: comes in to kiss her and she's like ah, and

601
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: then her physical comedy is so brilliant, you know. So

602
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: she's like very gorgeously slow mogoes backward and her leg

603
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: kicks up. Well, the paparazzi had been there and they

604
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: took a bunch of pictures, and then later they reached

605
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: out to her people and was like, well, we have

606
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 1: pictures of Sir Jusica falling in the pond and she

607
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: wasn't wearing underwear, and you need to pay us for

608
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: these pictures. And was like, I was totally wearing underwear.

609
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: What are they talking about?

610
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 2: Like psychotic?

611
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: I know, this is how it is. Okay, this is

612
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: how it is. And I remember this stress and I

613
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: was so stressed out, like yeah, what could those pictures be?

614
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: And she was like, I was wearing underwear. Don't even worry.

615
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: I'm not even worried about it. And I was like,

616
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: you are stronger than me. But you know, they did

617
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: they the pond in any way.

618
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 2: No, it's huge, They're not important, there's nothing.

619
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: No, they hadn't doused them with hydrogen peroxide like over

620
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: their heads.

621
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: I hope they got a good wrap gift for that.

622
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: I don't think so back in the day, I can't

623
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: think of what the rap gift was. I don't know

624
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: been part.

625
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: Of me, I think because I'm so optimistic and just

626
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: want to do everything twice, I'd be like, oh, I

627
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: get to fall like I'm one of the few people

628
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: that get to falla in the pond.

629
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I do think they felt it was special. Okay,

630
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: it was so We hate the word iconic because everyone

631
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: used to use it back in the day and now

632
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: people use it every other sentence or whatever. It was iconic.

633
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: What was your most special thing that you said? I

634
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: can't believe this is happening to me right now.

635
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: My first thought was the tray wedding because it was

636
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: so beautiful. Yeah, But the second thought was the wedding

637
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen in the movie because we're at the

638
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: New York Public Library, Yes, and we filmed there for

639
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: so long and it was so gorgeous.

640
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: I did I recreated your when BIG's Coming after Carrie

641
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: and I was in the little Black dress with it

642
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: then't Yeah? Good that so, but that felt crazier at Lart,

643
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: Like it felt.

644
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: Crazy because it was so big and beautiful and and

645
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: like we had a room in the in the public

646
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: library that I have pictures of us where we would

647
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: lounge between takes, you know, yes, and we'd hang up

648
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: my dress because it was so big we had to

649
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: steam it out all the time. And we'd be in

650
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: robes like lounging with the tapestries behind us. Like it

651
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: was so nuts that we were allowed to be there,

652
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: you know. And that went on for a while too,

653
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: write like at least a week, maybe more. I mean,

654
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: so many different things have been so huge, going to Morocco,

655
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: filming in Morocco, I mean I could go on. We

656
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: filmed in the Sahara Desert on the camels.

657
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't get much crazier than that.

658
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: It doesn't. And that was us at a little show

659
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: about four women stomping around Manhattan, you know what I mean,

660
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: anything as possible, It's true. All right, back to the show.

661
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: Let's go. Okay, So Carrie and Miranda running Steve and

662
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: Aiden is really sad because then these really cute girls

663
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: Jessica and Susan show up. And this is after Carrie

664
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: and Miranda. No Carrie, yeah, Karrie Miranda have hidden in

665
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: the hallway, thinking like they've got to run, they've got

666
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: to hide. They're out there talking about us whatever they think.

667
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: Of course the world revolves around them, but it doesn't

668
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: because they're on dates, which is really funny, and those

669
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: girls are cute, and then they're all like bumping into

670
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: each other trying to get it's adorable, so adorable.

671
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: I don't think they thought they were adorable.

672
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure they did.

673
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: They did look really good for having run into their

674
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: they did.

675
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: But also the thing that kind of breaks my heart

676
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: in that scene is Corbett. The sadness on Aiden's face.

677
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: He basically doesn't basically speak like I think he says

678
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: something like how are you Carrie, but literally there's just

679
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: the sadness on his face is so powerful and well done.

680
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: It's broken.

681
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: Broken. He's not into that girl, do you know what

682
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: I mean?

683
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: No?

684
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: And he probably like put up a fight with Steve

685
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 2: to even do that.

686
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: Yep.

687
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: And yet of course that Carrie sweeps in and she's there, right.

688
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: But I thought it was really good, and I think

689
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: Corbett in general is really good. I'm hoping someday he'll

690
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: come on here and talk to me. Come I know,

691
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: But and Okay, so then this is the big scene.

692
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: And I love the scene for so many reasons, and

693
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: I think it was so so well written. And I

694
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: think also, like if you think about the trajectory, trajectory

695
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: is hard to say of Miranda and Carrie. It's a

696
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: crazy powerful friendship and the writing is never better.

697
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: No, that scene in the when they're trying stuff on.

698
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: The vintage, it's that.

699
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: It's almost as if they like clipped it from someone's life,

700
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: and it's.

701
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: So good and it happens like kind of a surprise,

702
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like it's not like

703
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: anyone's like trying to start a fight or whatever. It's

704
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: just that Carrie confesses to her. First she says, she says,

705
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: do you want to do something on Saturday? She says, no,

706
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: I have to work. And then she's like, no, I

707
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: feel bad that I just liked my friend. So she says, no,

708
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: I don't have to work. I'm gonna go see Big

709
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: and Miranda she's like, broke the camel's back, right, It's

710
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: extreme her reaction, and then she's like, no, you know,

711
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be here for another round of this,

712
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: Like it's so intense, and Carrie's like what, like, you

713
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: know inside just like I can't believe she's saying this

714
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: to me, and and so it's so good, it's so good.

715
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: And so she says, wake up, Carrie, how many more

716
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: times are you going to go through this? He is

717
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: bad for you? Jesus, every time you get near him,

718
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: you turn into this pathetic, needy, insecure victim. And the

719
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: thing that pisces me off the most is that you

720
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: you're more than willing to go right back for more.

721
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: I will never say that's one of my friends.

722
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: No, And I think, like it's it's interesting though, because

723
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: that I think is a projection onto carry of Miranda's

724
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: own issues, but like it's also the wording. It's like, yeah,

725
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: it's basically the worst version of how to say everything

726
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: of like you're really fragile. Okay, now I'm going to say,

727
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: you always make yourself the victim.

728
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: Because she doesn't take a moment. That's one thing about Miranda. Obviously,

729
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: she's just from She doesn't take a moment to think

730
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: about how could I say this more gently or lovingly? Right,

731
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: she's just like and Carrie's like, you know cuts like

732
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: you cut her? What I mean, she looks.

733
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: So hurt and when it's your person that like even more.

734
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: That's what I have a hard time believing that I

735
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: will ever find some man that I love more than

736
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: I love my best friend Lily. Yeah, but I think

737
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: that's what's really unique about especially Miranda and Carrie, is

738
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: that like that is such a sacred bond. And now

739
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: what those words just did was it broke it well

740
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: for a second, just but like I think it can

741
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: feel at least in those moments of.

742
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: When it feels very scary's dangerous.

743
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: You don't know how you're going to come back, for.

744
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: Sure, it's very dangerous. And that's why I think women

745
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: friends don't fight like this that often, but also why

746
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: I think it's so great to see them actually go

747
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: through this. And also one of the last episodes that

748
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: I've watched of and just like that, they have another

749
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: fight and it's so great. It's after the birthday party,

750
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: after Charlotte's birthday party in the kitchen. It's so great.

751
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: And also at that point, Miranda's just talking about her

752
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: flirting with the right and she doesn't see it coming

753
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: in there. Carrie's like, why can't I you know, I'm

754
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: not doing anything, what are you accusing me of you

755
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean, it's super interesting, super interesting, two

756
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: different snaps. Yeah, but they also know, I think at

757
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: that point, because they've been friends for so long, they

758
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: know they're going to be fine. But it is still dangerous.

759
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: It's dangerous because it's too much truth, you know, and

760
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: so much history, right, and they've seen so much of

761
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: what everyone has gone through. But I love this scene

762
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,959
Speaker 1: so much, and so they go and then Carrie goes

763
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: right home and presses her you know, voicemail in the

764
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: olden days type thing, and there's no message. And she

765
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: thought by now, she says, I thought by now Miranda

766
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: would have gotten home and left me a message. And

767
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: then later on she goes and calls her, and Miranda

768
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: was just about to call her, and they're on the

769
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: same page again, which is so great and so satisfying

770
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: and so important, so much more important than the men, really,

771
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, totally. But she goes to

772
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: this lunch with Big and then I didn't remember this

773
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: at all, But she goes back to BIG's apartment and

774
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: showers or.

775
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: Whatever, yes, and looks Stunn it's fantastic.

776
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: After the hair bounces back.

777
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: Makeup in his cabinet for sure somebody left something, or

778
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 2: maybe Natasha less him gone.

779
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: And we find out Natasha's gone, and that Big has

780
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: painted his wall red red, and that Carrie says basically

781
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: like this red wall. It's a great idea, but we

782
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: just don't really work, which is so sad, and obviously

783
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: we know it's not true.

784
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: But that's also fascinating because it's similar to Charlotte's moment

785
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: of saying, did you actually want to marry me?

786
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: Yes?

787
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: That's it's Carrie's having her big season finale wake up call.

788
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: It's so true and you really believe it. I mean,

789
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: obviously we know what happens later, so we know that

790
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: that's not the end. But in the moment watching it,

791
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I would have really believed this.

792
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: As a fan watching this, it was very good.

793
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: When he looked so good at the the Pond in

794
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 2: that suit, it was like, look good at the suit.

795
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: I thought he looked better. When he's back at Allay,

796
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: his hair is all soft. I like it when his

797
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: hair is all soft. I know, I know that's fine.

798
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: So wait then Carrie goes, oh, it's one of those

799
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: really beautiful shots of her writing too, Like I love

800
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: how the filming her writing has evolved into just like

801
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: different angles and fans and you know, atmospheric.

802
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: They have to keep reinventing the wheels they do.

803
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: But they do a great job. They do a great job,

804
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: so she says, later that night, I got to think

805
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: about men and women in relationships, or more to the point,

806
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 1: how women feel men disappoint them in relationships. Than a radical,

807
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: almost earth shattering thought popped into my head. What if

808
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: everything isn't the men's fault after a certain age and

809
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: a certain number of relationships, if it still isn't working

810
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: and the excess seem to be moving on and we

811
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: don't perhaps the problem isn't the last boyfriend or the

812
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: one before him, or even the one before him. Could

813
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: it be that the problem isn't them? But horror of horrors?

814
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: Is it?

815
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: Us?

816
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 2: Ah?

817
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: I love it so much.

818
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 2: But that is like the fact that that monologue took

819
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: three seasons and many more years before that leading up

820
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 2: to get.

821
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: To It's true. It's true, but it's so good, and

822
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: I just think it's important to remember, you know, it's

823
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 1: important to remember right well, it's accountability. It is accountability.

824
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: And also, like I do think it's very very easy

825
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: to think like women, we do one thing and the

826
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: men do another thing, and like this Alabama guy can

827
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: atually prove you wrong, right, Like you have to keep

828
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: your mind open or.

829
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: Having your I think the fact that these women, especially

830
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 2: at the diner, are constantly explaining for the other man's

831
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: behaviors and why they're these women are in the right, yes,

832
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: but you know, we only get so many of what

833
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 2: did the woman do wrong?

834
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: Where?

835
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: Like I think that is Carrie's sort of like, oh,

836
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: let's see what I've got going on here.

837
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: So then we go to the kiss and makeup party

838
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: on the rooftop. I didn't realize we called it that.

839
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: I guess we call it a kiss and makeup party.

840
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: And again, where's the scene in between of how we

841
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: got to the kiss of making I'm super super interested

842
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: and I again I'm sitting there obsessing over Trey, which

843
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: is hysterical. But then I say that I'm not going

844
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: to I believe right, Like poor Charlotte, Poor Charlotte, she

845
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: needs some help. She needs a therapist. That's what Charlotte needs,

846
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But she doesn't she doesn't

847
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: get one. For some reason. We did leave out some

848
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: of the all the carry with the roosters so insane.

849
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: I just have to go back to it for a second.

850
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: So she, have you ever had chickens or roosters.

851
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: I have never, though I do have friends who do,

852
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: and I have kind of want chicken.

853
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: It's like you would like have them in your little backyard.

854
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: Right, and I know people who do. Yet Okay, excuse me,

855
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: but I did used to live in a canyon here

856
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: that did have roosters that were like grandfathered in, and

857
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: the roosters did wake me up because I would have

858
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: I would fly home to get some sleep when we

859
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: were working, when we were doing the show, because we

860
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: were all night and we never slept right, and I

861
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: would come home to my super quiet house up in

862
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: the hills, and at five am, those roosters down at

863
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: the bottom of the hill would start growing and I

864
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:10,479
Speaker 1: would wake up and I'd be.

865
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: So mad, and so La was no longer the sleep city.

866
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I'd go back to sleep, but yeah,

867
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: they were. They wanted to get us up. I don't

868
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: think they're there anymore, because I did. I lived there

869
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: for like twenty years, and I think when they died out.

870
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: I don't think they could get new ones, but I

871
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: do have friends, and the stress is that you don't

872
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: always know when they're chicks at their roosters or not right,

873
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: so you're trying not to get roosters, and then you

874
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: end up with roosters and then if you want eggs.

875
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 2: You need a morning personal situation.

876
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: You're not I am now because the kids and the

877
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: time change hasn't helped, right, So we're gett when you

878
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: come back down early. Yeah, yeah, but that's okay, that's okay.

879
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: I've become more of a morning person and it is

880
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: nice and like you can get some stuff done in

881
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: the morning. You feel productive, you do, you feel productive.

882
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: So Samantha is in her new apartment in the meatpacking District,

883
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: which I think we saw her in previously, because she

884
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: gets sick and the light's coming in and she's trying

885
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: to close the curtains into the curtains break and she

886
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: wants someone to come help her. And she realizes this

887
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: a couple episodes ago, that like all of her conquests

888
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: or whatever are not necessarily going to show up for

889
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: her when she's sick, which is kind of sad and heartbreaking.

890
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: It made me feel really sad for Samantha that past episode.

891
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: So she's she's in her fabulous apartment and we all

892
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: go over to have drinks.

893
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: I think, right, well, I think she'd had a altercation before. Wait.

894
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: No, she has a guy at one point there and

895
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: then she leaves literally like she goes crazy this model. Yes,

896
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: she gets like.

897
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: A obsessive water she dumps the water.

898
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: Oh god. But let's back up. So Samantha is woken

899
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: up by a group of trans women on the street.

900
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: I'm reading my nose right now. Who says and says you,

901
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: oh yeah, no, no, I can't even read these lines.

902
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: Nope.

903
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: So there's some craziness happening down on the street, okay,

904
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: and they're loud, and probably there used to not be

905
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: people living there, right, you know, because it was the

906
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: meatpacking district, and the meatpacking district was like butchers and things,

907
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: that's what it really was. So it was probably an

908
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: area where if you were a sex worker you could

909
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: go and no one would be.

910
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: Bothered, and only your callers could from that, she says.

911
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: Who have driven across the Holland Tunnel. It's right there

912
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: and it's easy. You just drive right over the Holland

913
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: tune and you're there in the meatpacking district, which is

914
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: all very real and I'm sure probably did happen, but

915
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: I don't know why why we needed to have it

916
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: happen in our show or whatever, but we do have

917
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: it happening in our show. And Samantha is she decides

918
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: it's very interesting. She says, I'm going to test my

919
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: PR skills and talk to them. So she goes out

920
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: there in that gold trench coat.

921
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 2: Oh to make nice kind of.

922
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then when she turns her back and walks away,

923
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: she kind of rolls her eyes. It's interesting.

924
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: I think she thought she could get what she wanted, yeah,

925
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: because I think she well, and she is comparing them

926
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 2: a lot to men in the episode, And actually, what

927
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: it proves to me is that it's like interacting with

928
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: trans people like you. You can't project some idea of

929
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: what that. You have to let someone tell you who

930
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: they are. And she thought she knew who those women

931
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 2: were before it definitely did.

932
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: She definitely did. So she goes down to basically make

933
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: friends with them and to try to reason with them,

934
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: and she says, it's my new apartment and I'm unfair

935
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: and you guys are too loud, and she meets Destiny

936
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 1: China and Joe, who are very nice to her yes

937
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: and say like oh okay, you know they get it. Yeah, well,

938
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: quiet down. And then the next time we see her,

939
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: she's having sex with some like literally like a fitness model, Like,

940
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: my god, do we have no idea who he is,

941
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: what he does, nothing, But they're trying to have sex

942
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: and he's into it, but she's distracted by the women

943
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: in the street and she decides she's like obsessive and

944
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 1: weird at that point, so the guy gets like.

945
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: What is wrong with triggered? Well, she you know, literally

946
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 2: fills up a bucket and dumps it on them, which

947
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 2: is such a TV moment, but it's also like it's

948
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: funny because it's like it didn't matter who it was

949
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: or what it was, but it was the thing prohibiting

950
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 2: her from having sex. So orgasm, well, fair, right, and

951
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 2: I guess that's the top of the list for her orgasm,

952
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 2: so mean, you know.

953
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: But I.

954
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: Think that then it becomes this sort of cat and

955
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: mouse game of you know, the egging of.

956
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: Oh that's crazy. I didn't remember that at all. So

957
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: then that's Destiny. So cut to she throws the water

958
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: out and it takes someone's wig off. Must be Destiny's right, yes,

959
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: And so then Destiny comes back and throws eggs in

960
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: her window, and Samantha, really not the smartest move, opens

961
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: the window. What was she thinking? And of course gets

962
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: a big egg in the face, which she does deserve

963
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: a good tea.

964
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 2: You know what? I think that that was. That was

965
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: for the entire community. The only time I'll speak on

966
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: behalf of the entire community is the egg.

967
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, because she wasn't smart number one

968
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: number two.

969
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: And she deserves She said the teaseler many a time.

970
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 2: I think she really does. Was that something that was

971
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: like a word that was floating around?

972
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: I think it was. I mean, it's hard to remember

973
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: because I wasn't in that storyline, right, so I didn't

974
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: like sit down and think it through, But I do remember.

975
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: I feel like there was some kind of some kind

976
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: of cultural awareness beginning. But it was like baby baby

977
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: steps very much where some how it seemed okay to

978
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: just be like the tranny, like casually just say it right.

979
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: Like somehow tranny seemed more friendly than saying, you know.

980
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 2: A transsexual transsexual, which would have been more mis gendering

981
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: straight up, which is what that was a lot of that,

982
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: and a lot of these like allusions to But I

983
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: think that a lot of it was the writing. I

984
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 2: could tell it was for the comedy they wanted, Oh yes,

985
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 2: the jokes in the top, and I think during that

986
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: time people were probably laughing at not with Do you

987
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 2: think I think they were? I don't. I mean, I

988
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 2: imagine people during that time watching it, maybe very you know,

989
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 2: liberal people watching it and being concerned, but I can't

990
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: imagine that level of show, with that big of an

991
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 2: audience doing something that would upset like it didn't seem

992
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 2: wildly upsetting at the time, I assume I don't.

993
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: Think it seemed wildly upsetting because I don't remember being upset.

994
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: I just thought it was so rod and over the

995
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: top and now a shade obviously now, but even at

996
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: the time, I just thought it was like one of

997
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: those times where occasionally, and I think some of times,

998
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: it's because the structure of the show, right is like

999
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: you have a storyline, B, storyline, C storyline, D storyline right,

1000
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: and they can't all be serious, right, and they can't

1001
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: all be in depth because there's not time. Even though

1002
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: this episode is longer, then.

1003
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: We get a lot in it.

1004
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: There's thirty four yeah, thirty four minutes, whereas most of

1005
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: our episodes were twenty two, which is crazy because we

1006
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: get so much in there. But that was definitely the broadest.

1007
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: Like we've got Charlotte kind of having a very kind

1008
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: of real storyline, not funny at all. Carrie not funny

1009
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: at all other than I mean when she falls in

1010
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: the pond. I don't know if it's funny how, but

1011
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: it's like a lot obviously. And then I mean I

1012
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: think I laughed out loud. I think Big made me

1013
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: laugh out loud. Someone made me laugh out loud, which

1014
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: is pretty funny also at this time thirty years later.

1015
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: And then we also have I do think they try

1016
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: to make the meeting of the boyfriends in the street

1017
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: comedic by bucking into each other. But then we also

1018
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: have the argument. We have a lot of dramas wearing

1019
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: so many things, so I feel like the supposed to

1020
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: be the funny. Yeah, Now, to me, I don't ever

1021
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: think I thought it was funny, right. I don't never

1022
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: also think I had understanding of the deeper reasons that

1023
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: it was wrong. I don't think I had that either, right,

1024
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: But I think I was somewhere in the middle right

1025
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: at that point, right.

1026
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: And it was also not your storyline.

1027
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: Right, so I didn't have to But Delvin, do I think.

1028
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 2: The hope that I have is that anyone you know,

1029
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: rewatching it now does get that cringe of understanding of like, oh,

1030
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: this isn't landing the way that this show obviously intended.

1031
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: But I also think, like my general hope outside of

1032
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 2: this podcast everywhere is that even if I might not

1033
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: be someone's you know, cup of tea as a trans person,

1034
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: that they find a trans person in their lives that

1035
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 2: they can connect to over something other than identity. And

1036
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: I think that that's what's so important of just being

1037
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 2: able to say, oh, we should have done this different,

1038
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 2: or you know, obviously now we would want those characters

1039
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: to be played by trans women. In this last episode,

1040
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 2: we were just talking about how a black trans person

1041
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: talking about this would be very different, right, and important,

1042
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: And I think I think what just makes me so

1043
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 2: sad right now in this world is how closed minded

1044
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: we've gotten, and that there are people, very famous comedians

1045
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: still making those same jokes that they were in Second

1046
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: City twenty five years later, that are on Netflix and

1047
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: and so I just hope that we can move forward

1048
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 2: in the right direction. But my dad is like the

1049
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: sort of straightest, most macho football loving guy. But he

1050
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: does make four hundred cookies a week, very random fact wow,

1051
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: and cost them. No, he gives them out to people

1052
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: on the streets.

1053
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: That's incredible.

1054
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: Yes, But he was talking. He was talking to me

1055
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: one night about he was like, you've shown me One

1056
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: of the things that I talked to him about was

1057
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 2: like he was he was like, I'm just so scared

1058
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 2: that your life is going to be so hard. And

1059
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: I said, and he thought that when I was a

1060
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 2: gay kid even that my life is going to be

1061
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: so hard. And we've seen gay marriage come so far,

1062
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: and you know, just gay gay culture and has changed

1063
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: so much in the past twenty years. And I told him,

1064
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 2: I was like, my life in twenty years is going

1065
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: to be so much safer and richer and nuanced. This

1066
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 2: is the most nuanced episode that I can think of,

1067
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: at least for me. And I really really hope that

1068
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: we are looking forward to the future and trying to

1069
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: make the changes now.

1070
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, I think and that's the other

1071
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: thing I think about. I mean because like for me, certainly,

1072
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: I can't count all of the different trans people that

1073
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: I know. I know so many in so many different

1074
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: stages of their lives, which is amazing and so.

1075
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: But I'll just say having support from someone like you

1076
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 2: makes me feel like less of a problem in this

1077
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 2: world because I think, you know, I know who I

1078
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: am so well. But then when the especially the women

1079
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 2: that I've I've looked up to my whole life, say

1080
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: I see you for who you are, I stand by you,

1081
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: I support you, it makes me feel like I'm going

1082
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 2: to be okay.

1083
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Speaker 1: I'm glad. I mean, I wish that we could somehow,

1084
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: you know, blanket the world in that. You know what

1085
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because because we want everyone to.

1086
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 2: Be okay, but the but the world wants to make

1087
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 2: someone like you scared right now to support trans people them. Wow,

1088
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 2: I love you.

1089
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 1: Oh my, I'm not going to do that. No no,

1090
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: oh wow. This is like we're not going backwards. No no,

1091
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: And that's why I kind of want to keep making

1092
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: the show.

1093
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 2: So you have to find your way, yes, tell your

1094
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 2: story and it's messy at the beginning, oh my god,

1095
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: and the like if we're thinking about I've never compared

1096
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: my transition to and just like that. But like, you've

1097
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: got to find your footing. And a lot of people

1098
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 2: judged me at first, and even some of your viewers

1099
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 2: might be like, oh, isn't that that girl who'd X,

1100
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 2: Y and Z. But it's the awkwardness of finding life

1101
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: after you know you've lived for so long in one

1102
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: way and trying to rEFInd. It is awkward and messy,

1103
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 2: but in its earnest and that's what.

1104
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: And it might have moments of cringe.

1105
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my god, I'm cringe dot com.

1106
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: And it's so funny to me the way that the

1107
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: world talks about cringe now, like that it's somehow avoidable. Yes,

1108
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: it's not avoidable.

1109
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: If you're living, and it's suppressing so many young people's

1110
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 2: desires through creativity. There's so many young people that would

1111
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: be making things right now, but they're nervous with their friends. Anything.

1112
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: You can't be nervous about that people. You guys go

1113
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: out there and do stuff.

1114
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 2: Post the video, write the song, fall on your face.

1115
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god, right, yes, yes, I know.

1116
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 2: And you've got kids, so it's like you are trying

1117
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 2: to make sure they're walking through life. The way that

1118
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 2: you would want them to.

1119
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: It's true, and I mean they are, and because a

1120
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 1: lot of the kids people that I know are are

1121
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: young people who are trends. And then also now we

1122
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: have people who are finding the strength to come out

1123
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: and be their true selves now even later at life

1124
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: because the way the world is changing, even though it

1125
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: is this very herky jerky, We've got people moving forward.

1126
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: We've got people not moving forward, potentially going back. But

1127
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: you know what, we're not going to be with them,

1128
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: and hopefully we're going to help them at some point.

1129
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how, but you know what I'm saying, We're.

1130
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 2: Going to get there.

1131
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: We're going to get there because we're all moving forward.

1132
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: You know, I can't believe that. I do believe that,

1133
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: and I believe that partly because I know so many

1134
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: people that I cannot. I cannot allow them not to

1135
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: be whole and happy and safe.

1136
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1137
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: We have to, you know, do what we need to

1138
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: do to make that happen.

1139
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just sad that that is up for debate.

1140
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: It is, it is, it's it's it's shocking.

1141
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 2: But if it's any consolation to you, me being here

1142
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: and getting to meet you, today and seeing you on

1143
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: my wall every day when I wake up is like

1144
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 2: the greatest gift you could have ever given me.

1145
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: And you're a gift to me. You're a gift to

1146
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: me to be here, to be yourself. I've been following you.

1147
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: I've been so happy to see your success. It's so thrilling.

1148
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 2: And we're gonna get you on Broadway.

1149
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think you should take the Broadway ring.

1150
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, you'll come, you'll come. Oh and if this

1151
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: comes out by the time, I'm going to be playing

1152
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:44,919
Speaker 2: Anne Blin in six. I love Baway so much. It's

1153
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,959
Speaker 2: really you haven't seen it, right, Okay.

1154
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: We're going to get you here in New York. I'm

1155
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: into it.

1156
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: It's eighty minutes. I love an I love An In

1157
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 2: and Out. Oh that kind of show. I think one

1158
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 2: act is all we need these days, by places to be,

1159
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: people to see. And I think I'll be the first

1160
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 2: trans person to to take on the show. And it's

1161
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 2: it's little things like that that I'm not an activist

1162
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 2: and I don't see myself, but that's the kind of

1163
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: advocacy that I'd like to do.

1164
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I think this advocacy can take so many forms

1165
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: with the animals.

1166
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely love seeing you go to the I want

1167
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 2: to go there one day.

1168
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 1: You should go, so healing, so wonderful, so great, so great,

1169
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: so great. I haven't been in a little while. I

1170
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: miss it when I haven't been. Before the kids, I

1171
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: used to go like twice a year, which was wonderful.

1172
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: Have they gone yet? Have the kids gone?

1173
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: They haven't gone yet, partly because the time change a lot.

1174
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 1: It's a lot for the seven year old. But they're

1175
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: dying to go, and so I keep trying to figure

1176
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: out a way, like how you.

1177
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying, it's going to happen.

1178
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: It'll happen for sure, because because they love it, and

1179
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: I have a lot of pictures up or you know

1180
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: the elephants, the baby who doesn't love a baby elephant?

1181
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: I know it's a great thing. Do you do you do?

1182
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: You travel a lot?

1183
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: I travel all the time, and I used to raise

1184
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 2: possums in my kitchen in West Hollywood. Well speaking, yeah,

1185
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 2: I mean there's animals in this episode. I during the pandemic,

1186
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 2: I lost my job in the Book of Mormon the musical,

1187
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 2: and so I had time on my hands and I

1188
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 2: got onto kind of the underground possum rehabilitation circuit, which

1189
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 2: I can get you into if you're interested.

1190
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 1: No, no, I have a little dog. Okays a hunters.

1191
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, possums fall in a pool, they

1192
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 2: got to call someone whenever this swoman's house raised pearl.

1193
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: But then you have to let them go unless they've

1194
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 2: either lost a tail or been they've hit their head

1195
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 2: really hard. So I had to let mine go into

1196
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: the wild.

1197
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 3: Did she go?

1198
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: She's she's out. Well, actually they only lived two to

1199
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 2: three years.

1200
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,240
Speaker 1: Possums only lived two to three years.

1201
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 2: Yes cue when somebody loved me.

1202
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: Everything was beautiful.

1203
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,959
Speaker 2: Pearl, lrip pearl.

1204
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: Oh pearl. But but she got to live a wildlife

1205
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: because of you. That's amazing, I know.

1206
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 2: And it was all started in a West Hollywood kitchen.

1207
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I don't know anything about.

1208
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: The possum, but you and you're doing something similar for

1209
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 2: the elephants.

1210
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: I try, I try. I'm just to support for the

1211
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: real people doing it on the ground in Kenya. But

1212
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: I do love it. But advocacy can take many forms,

1213
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: and I think that sometimes just being present in the

1214
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: world is a form of advocacy.

1215
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 2: At this point in time, you know what I mean,

1216
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 2: and find some money that you can connect to or

1217
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 2: follow that helps whatever version that you're looking for.

1218
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: I agree, and I for me, I think a lot

1219
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 1: of it is about creativity. I think it's about expansion,

1220
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: Like who expands my worldview? That's one of the things

1221
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: that I look for. You think, Yeah, who makes me think?

1222
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: Who makes me see things differently? You know who's doing

1223
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: something that I wish I.

1224
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 2: Could do, that can look up to?

1225
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: You know you guys, you Benny Merribeth, like the young

1226
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: people that I can find.

1227
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 2: We all need to do something togather one day.

1228
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: It would be amazing. But I mean just watching you

1229
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: guys succeed, Oh, it makes me so happy, makes I

1230
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: love you happy. I love you guys so much. And

1231
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 1: you're just out there paving the way. You know, it's amazing.

1232
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: Thank you for being here doing it. We've had it

1233
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,479
Speaker 1: since November and it came true.

1234
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: Wo