1 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: As a guide an hunter. I've spent thousands of days 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren. 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: This is cutting the Distance. Welcome back to the podcast. 6 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: It's awesome that summer is in full effect because what 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: that means is hunting season is just around the corner. 8 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: Maybe you've got an early season archery tag coming up. 9 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: Some seasons are starting in a month or less. Actually, 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: there's already some blacktail seasons, archery seasons in California that 11 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: have started already. Opening weekend was last weekend, So there's 12 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: a lot of things coming up. And maybe you don't 13 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: have an early archery season, but hey, we're on that 14 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: second half of the year where things are gonna start 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: picking up in those seasons are gonna start popping around. 16 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: Best part of the year fall has come now. One 17 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: thing I really like to focus on is summer scouting 18 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: because I can pay huge dividends when it comes to 19 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: understanding the potential animals in the area you're hunting. It 20 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: can also help you find good pockets to start an 21 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: early season hunt and help you understand the animals in 22 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: the unit you're hunting, Not to mention it's a great 23 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: way to get a good lay of the land and 24 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: a new unit that we might be planning on hunting 25 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: later this fall. So this week I'm gonna be covering 26 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: the five key advantages the summer scouting, including what I 27 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: like to call the velvet advantage, and ways to use 28 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: summer scouting intel to find success during the season. But 29 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: first I want to share the story of a summer 30 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: trip where we discovered a place I like to call 31 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: the Bull, which is hands down my most productive big 32 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: buck hunting spot over the years. It was early two 33 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: thousand's and my buddy Brett had drawn a tag in 34 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: the unit that we'd never hunted before. And it wasn't 35 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: particularly like a real great trophy, and it wasn't anything. 36 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: It was just a place that was easy to draw 37 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: a tag, and it was probably towards the end of 38 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: his choices, and he drew the tag and we're like, okay, 39 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: well we always hunt together, Um, this is awesome. We're 40 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: gonna go check out a new place. We It wasn't 41 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: one of the areas that we normally hunted it was 42 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: a little bit further a drive, but hey, we're gonna 43 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: go check it out. So we did a little bit 44 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: of like talking to a few people, a little bit 45 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: of looking at some maps, and we did what we 46 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: like to do. We we went out and put in 47 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: a good scouting trip. Was myself, his dad Art, so 48 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: the three of us we just kind of like loaded 49 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: up the truck went out go check some places off 50 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: the map. We got out there the first day and 51 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: started you know, like looking doing just kind of checking 52 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: out the area, checking roads, checking access points. This is 53 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: way before we did a lot of EA scouting, so 54 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: it was kind of like as much exploring as anything. 55 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: It's like, okay, we're going into a new place we've 56 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: never been. It's a big area. We have our map book, 57 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: we got a few spots marked, and we're gonna check 58 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,839 Speaker 1: it out. So we get up some glassing vantages. We're 59 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: tearing apart the country and you know, we we'd seen 60 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: some deer, but nothing crazy, no big bucks. Just kind 61 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: of getting an idea of like, okay, here's some some bucks. 62 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: We've seen some forking ore and some other deer. You know, 63 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: a couple of figuring out where the water sources were this, that, 64 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: and the other thing. So when the season rolled around, 65 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: we weren't gonna go and blind, but we also wanted 66 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: to kind of think like, is this a good spot 67 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: to hunt? So we were scouting and had this whole 68 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: plan of where we're gonna look, and some people have 69 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: told us that it's a good spot, and we were 70 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: just like looking at it glassing and we just couldn't 71 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: turn up very much, like, man, this is gonna be tough. 72 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: And then we just thought, well, let's go somewhere else. 73 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: Let's just go look at as many other places we can. 74 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: So we start checking some other places and we end 75 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: up at the end of the day kind of driving 76 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: up this one road that ended and sort of like, 77 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: all right, we'll just camp here and then we'll check 78 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,119 Speaker 1: out this area. This whole completely different area over here. 79 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: I was looking on the map. I'm like, man, this 80 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: looks pretty sweet. You know, we've seen it in the distance. 81 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: We're like, let's just go look at this and see 82 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: what we can find. So we get there, we park, 83 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: you know, we just have like our cots or I 84 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: think I was just sleeping on the ground. But summertime, 85 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: that's the best part about summertimes you can just no tent, 86 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: you don't need anything, you just sleep where you are. 87 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: It's so nice. Um. So we're sleeping there under the 88 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: stars actually a pretty bright moon. And next morning we 89 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: wake up and we pop over the rim kind of 90 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: like right where it's a pretty steep hill where we're camping. 91 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: We did, we did. We definitely just like would go 92 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: until we'd find somewhere to stop. Stop glass, go to sleep, 93 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: wake up, keep going. So next morning, pop over the 94 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: rim of where we're at and lo and behold just 95 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: glassing this big stage flat and it's like it seems 96 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: like there's nothing. And then all of a sudden like 97 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: boom box and it's a massive bachelor heard I don't know, 98 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: probably twenty bucks, and there's some studs in there. Like 99 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: we're just like look at we all like each other. 100 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: We're just like getting excited. Like now we've got the 101 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: spotting scopes out and we're picking a party truck. Oh 102 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: this buck, look at the cheater on that buck. Oh man, 103 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: that's a big three by three over there, Like, dude, 104 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: did you see that buck? And then like now we're 105 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: starting to pick apart some others places in this zone. Um, 106 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: we got the spotting scopes out and everything. Now we're 107 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: picking out more and more bucks. We're like, this is 108 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: the zone, this big base in this big bull and 109 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: this is where the bucks want to be. We checked 110 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: a hundred different places throughout the course of the time 111 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: that we had to scout, and for some reason, this 112 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: particular pocket was holding bucks and not just any bucks, 113 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: like some mature bucks, some really good bucks. So we're like, okay, 114 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: this is gonna be our zone. So later on that 115 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: season we go back in there. We couldn't hunt until October, 116 00:05:56,279 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: like late October, and you know, obviously it was a 117 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: different time of year, so we didn't necessarily see the deer, 118 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: but we kind of started to learn that little bit 119 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: of an area a little better. We ended up Brendon 120 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: up shooting a nice four by four. There's another kidbit attack. 121 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 1: You shot a deer, and we're like, okay, sweet, But 122 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: that that image of just all those bachelor bucks was 123 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: in my mind, so I'm like, all right, they're there. Early, 124 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: we got to figure this place out, Like we know 125 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: that there's a big deer there. We just didn't have 126 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: a lot of time during the season to put in 127 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: bread at school, so It's like I'm like, all right, 128 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna go back here. I'm going back here. I'm 129 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: getting an archery tag here next year, and I'm gonna 130 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: go for it. That next year, I got an archery 131 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: tag and ended up chasing the biggest buck that I've 132 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: ever seen in my life. Um, still to this day, 133 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: the biggest deer I've seen. And I've seen some pretty 134 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: good deer. I don't mean to be like pound myself 135 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: on the back. I've seen all the big deer. But 136 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: this is not just a big buck story. I know 137 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: for sure would have been a new archery world record 138 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: if I was able to sink an arrow in it. 139 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: Of course I didn't. Um, things went wrong, and you 140 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: can listen to that whole story on episode one of 141 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: this podcast. But over the years that this particular spot, um, 142 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: we've taken multiple big deer, multiple nice deer, seeing multiple 143 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: great deer, not necessarily just in that particular right in 144 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: that same canyon, but um, you know, using that as 145 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: a jumping off point, really understanding and learning the habits 146 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: of the deer in this area. And over the years, 147 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: I had spent hundreds of days in this particular area. Now, 148 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: when I say a particular area for me, that's a 149 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: very large area, but in this particular area of the 150 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: unit understanding the deer and because of it, really gaining 151 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: a lot of success and a lot of knowledge of 152 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: those deer. But I don't think I ever would have 153 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: found this spot had I not been for summer scouting. 154 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: And there's quite a few reasons that during the summer 155 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: the deer doing different things, but it makes them super 156 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: susceptible to being spotted, which gives you a really good 157 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: indication of the types of bucks in the area or 158 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: types of animals in the area, and then you can 159 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: use some different tactics to exploit that later on. There's 160 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: been so many hunts that I've done where I've gone 161 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: out in the summer, I've done my scouting, and that 162 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: summer scouting has led to the success that I have 163 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: later on in that season, even in areas that might 164 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: be a little more difficult once that season kicks up, 165 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: once that pressure kicks in. What I wanted to do 166 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: is just kind of outline what I think are five 167 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: key reasons that summer scouting can really pay those huge 168 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: dividends when it comes time to hunting the season. Now, 169 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: of course, if you're talking about maybe you've got an 170 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: early archery tag. Summer scouting is the most accurate scouting 171 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: to what you're gonna see when that season rolls around, 172 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: but it's not necessarily the only time that this scouting 173 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: is gonna pay off. What I mean by that is like, 174 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: there's been many times I've had an elk tag that's 175 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: say a November elk tag. I'll get out in the season, 176 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: I'll find end group of bulls, and then later on 177 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: in the year I will use that knowledge of what 178 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: I found to be successful later on. It's also really 179 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: good for understanding maybe you've got a limited entry tag. 180 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: You're saying, like I don't know what type of deer, 181 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: what type of elk, what type of antelope, what type 182 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: of sheep, whatever, I should be shooting, Like if I 183 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: see it, should I shoot it? Um? But some are 184 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: scouting is a great way to understand the breadth of 185 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: what's in the area you're hunting. So let's talk about 186 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: the things that make some are scouting so beneficial. And 187 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: the first, and actually quite a few of these goes 188 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: off of this idea of many articles on this, but 189 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: I call it the velvet advantage and This is because 190 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: as deer or growing their antlers, or elk are growing 191 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: these antlers. This particularly pertains the elk and deer or 192 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: anything that grows antlers. There's there's certain aspects of them 193 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: having that velvet and them needing enter g to grow 194 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: that velvet that can be exploited that lends them to 195 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: being more susceptible to being spotted. So the first I 196 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: like to call the bachelor party, and what that is 197 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: early in the season. It doesn't just really have to 198 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: do with the velvet, but it has to do with 199 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: the way that herds of animals kind of congregate during 200 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 1: different times of year. So mule, deer, white tailed deer, elk, 201 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: even even I've seen moose even do this. It's pretty 202 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: rare for moose. They're a little more solitary. But what 203 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: happens is the bucks or bulls separate off from the 204 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: cows or does and they bachelor up. They do this 205 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: early in the season, and then they also do this 206 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: again in the winter after the ruts. So they're all friends, 207 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: they're all hanging out, they're all in safety by numbers mentality, 208 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: and they're grouped up in groups of bucks. How this 209 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: helps the hunter is it makes it a lot easier 210 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: to understand what type of bucks are in an area 211 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: because they're together. It also gives you a good barometer 212 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: of being able to compare bucks together. Now, this first 213 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: idea is what I like to call the birds of feathers. 214 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 1: So you know you heard that saying birds of feather 215 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: flock together. I always think of that when I'm out 216 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: looking at bachelor groups of bucks, because I always think 217 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: I kind of have that like saying in my mind, 218 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: because what you'll notice is a lot of times age 219 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: classes of bucks will start to flock together. You might 220 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: be in an area and you're like glassing and you're 221 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: turning up bachelor group of buck, bachelor group of buck, 222 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: and you'll notice that they're like little too two by twos, 223 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: two by threes, two to three year old bucks, and 224 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: there might be one big buck in there or whatever, 225 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: but for the most part, it's like these younger deer 226 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: of all grouped up, and you're like, okay, I see 227 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: this group of deer, and okay, you're seeing lots of deer. 228 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: You might be seeing these different groups of bachelor bucks. 229 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: But then it's like you find this one group of 230 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: bucks and they're all mature bucks six to eight years old, 231 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: heavy antlers what you're and you're like, wow, okay, that's 232 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: different than these other ones you're seeing. But what that 233 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: is is it shows you the pockets of better age class. 234 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: And this is easier to find during the summer because 235 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: one the deer grouped up and it kind of gives 236 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: you this idea of where do those mature deer like 237 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 1: to live. There's a reason that those mature deer in 238 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: a certain area, and it's because they've lived long enough 239 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: they know places where they're safe, and they're kind of 240 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: grouped together in this because they're kind of like they've 241 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: all got the same mentality. They've they've survived, they've seen 242 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: it all, and they're starting to group up based on 243 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: deer that are very compatible to them. Now, there is 244 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: always like the caveat to that is, sometimes you'll see 245 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: a big buck in with you know, a bunch of 246 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: smaller deer around it or whatever. There's sometimes, like I've 247 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: noticed after I've spent way too much time watching meal deer, 248 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,599 Speaker 1: even during the hunting season, one day when you're getting 249 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: even like literally just spent thirty days one year out 250 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: there watching meal deer, not shooting anything, just seeing what 251 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: these deer do. And what I learned was like they 252 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: have certain groups that they like, and you'll find like 253 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: certain deer will stick together and then there's like ones 254 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: that rove and move, but you oh, like, overwhelmingly, if 255 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: you're to graph it out statistically, certain age class dear 256 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: tend to hang with certain age class dear And that's 257 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: really helped me narrow down areas to focus on any 258 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: time of the season because you can kind of discount 259 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: this is if you're looking for a certain type buck 260 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: or more mature deer, you can start to discount what 261 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: you might think of as a nursery. Um those areas, 262 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: like especially if it's an early season tag where you're like, 263 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: I'm seeing so many deer here, but they're all just 264 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: like this young deer. They're all two year old deer 265 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: there or whatever. So that's like a nursery. Now, it's 266 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: great if you're just looking for a success or maybe 267 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 1: that's what you're looking for, it doesn't, that's cool, then 268 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: you found what you're looking for. But if you've got 269 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: the time, you've got the time of the summer, these 270 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: deer are gonna be out. They're going to be more active, 271 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: they're gonna be grouped up together. You can start looking 272 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: for those pockets that are holding those better age class dear, 273 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: because what that's gonna tell all you is there's something 274 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: about this area that provides enough safety to allow these 275 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: deer and enough like the right food, the right amount 276 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: of safety to allow these deer to get to a 277 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: certain age. And there's something in this area where they're 278 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: at that they tend to contregate toward. And so during 279 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: the season, you can focus your attention towards those areas 280 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: because you know that they're gonna probably hold those better 281 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: age class dear. So the next next one, number two, 282 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: the one thing that some are scouting does because as 283 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: that velvet, So this kind of goes back to that 284 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: velvet advantage. And what it is is as those deer 285 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: are growing their antlers elk or dear, they're expending so 286 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: much energy. In order for a buck or bull to 287 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: grow antlers, it's pretty much like a cow or dough 288 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: growing upon like it takes that same amount of food, 289 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: it takes that same amount of energy. So they're gonna 290 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: be feeding a lot, and what that means is they're 291 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: going to be out where the food is, and it 292 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: allows you to concentrate your look when you're scouting. So 293 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: as opposed to going out. Let's say you've got a 294 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: November dear season and you're like, hey, well I've got 295 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: some time to scout. I'll go out in October. That's 296 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: the worst time to try to look for deer because 297 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: they aren't out in the open, they aren't feeding there 298 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: in a completely different pattern during the summer. During the spring, 299 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: deer and elk are in their feeding patterns. And this 300 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: this pertains to a lot of other species. This pertains 301 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: to sheep, This pertains to can pertain to prong horn 302 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: um not so much as other things, Like but the 303 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: spring time is really good. I would say springs a 304 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: little bit better for prong horn. It's kind of a 305 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: rabbit trail. We can talk about prong horns on a 306 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: different episode. But uh, what you need you to think 307 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: about is like, so they're growing season a spring, and yeah, 308 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: they're they're stacking it on as as that spring, good 309 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: nutrition starts coming out there. Growing. They're growing, but you 310 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: can't really tell what they're antlers are fully like because 311 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: they aren't quite developed yet. So as you start going 312 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: into summer, some of that good spring nutrition shirts starts 313 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: shrinking up and you're limiting the number of areas where 314 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: there's like still really good food sources. And you've got 315 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: the advantage of the deer, elk or whatever antlers are growing, 316 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: and you can kind of tell what they're gonna look like, 317 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: or you can tell exactly what they're what they look like. 318 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: But because they're needing that feeds so much, they're very 319 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: tied to food sources. And what that does is it 320 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: kind of puts them one in a more patternable patterns 321 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: so you can find them easier. But it also allows 322 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: you to concentrate where to look and allows them to 323 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: be out in these areas more predictably in the mornings 324 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: and evenings. They're more concentrated on food than cover, so 325 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: it allows them to be out and it's really good 326 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: for glassing, really good for finding. It's a really good 327 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: time to take advantage of them being out in a 328 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: place where it's easy to look because it's more open 329 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: and generally for feeding areas, and allows you to find 330 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: the animals that you're looking for a lot easier. Combine 331 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: that with the bachelor group factor, and you're already steps 332 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: ahead compared to other times a year. The third factor 333 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: and the other two kind of let into this is 334 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 1: they're out more, which is true because they've got to feed. 335 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: They also are out a little bit more, or I 336 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: consider out a little bit more. Um, if I've heard 337 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: this many times and I don't necessarily know that it's true, 338 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: but maybe it is. It's just it kind of like 339 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: it seems to work. They say, oh, dear elk when 340 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: they're growing their antlers, they're sensitive, which they probably are, 341 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: and so they're out in more open areas, And that 342 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: is true. You will tend to find deer elk out more. 343 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: Now here's the there's the catch to that. It's hot 344 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: in the summer and they're gonna need to bet a lot, 345 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 1: and they aren't gonna want to be out in that heat. 346 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: So they're gonna be feeding in the morning, they're feeding 347 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: in the evening, but they aren't gonna be out in 348 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: the middle of the day. However, I say out more 349 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: because you can. Actually it's easier to spot than midday 350 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: based on betting spots, because they're gonna pick betting spots 351 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: where they've got shade, they've got possibly a breeze, they've 352 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: got a good defensive position, but they aren't like necessarily 353 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: buried into the thickest patch they that you can find 354 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: on the mountain. So it really lends itself to good 355 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: midday glassing. When I'm out summer scouting, I'm putting a 356 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: lot of time in the glass looking for those shady 357 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,479 Speaker 1: spots that I can actually see into that I think 358 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: will be good betting areas for elk for deer, but 359 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: also not messed with that sensitive at where they got 360 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: to go bury themselves in like this really really thick 361 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: dense brush, which they do when it comes October time. 362 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: I've seen deer. I've bumped deer out of some stuff 363 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: that I'm like, you look at it, you go, there's 364 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: nothing in there, and then a buck runs out of it, 365 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, there was something in there, and 366 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: you don't tend to see that like you do when 367 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: they're in the velvet in the summertime, they go pick 368 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: those more wind blown areas where it's like, okay, they've 369 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: got a nice breeze, keep the flies off them. They're 370 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: up high, they're in the shade. They've got this good 371 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,479 Speaker 1: little pocket where they're safe, they're cool. They've got that 372 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: nice wind. They've got a good wind like defensive position 373 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: where the winds coming down their back, they're looking down 374 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: over the valley and you know, their antlers aren't stuffed 375 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: into a bunch of brush. And because of that, it 376 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: makes it a lot easier for you to utilize the 377 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: full day, even though it's hot, to be able to 378 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: pinpoint those locations midday to kind of figure out where 379 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: these animals are and maybe what's in your unit. So 380 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: it's a really good use of time because you do 381 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: end up seeing a little bit more um depending on 382 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: the type of unit and what you're hunting, but you 383 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: see a little bit more throughout the day even if 384 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: they aren't moving. It allows you to spot midday a 385 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: little bit easier. Now. Number four for summer scouting would 386 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: be there's less pressure. So the animals throughout the spring, 387 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: like there's no big game hunting seasons aside from bear season, Like, 388 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: there's nothing hunting elk and deer during the spring and 389 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: through in the summer. They just don't have that hunting pressure. 390 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: And because of that lack of hunting pressure, there are 391 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: a lot more patternable What I really enjoy about finding 392 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: deer in the summers, you can find them and you 393 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 1: can go, okay, going back to the other good advantages. 394 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: They need to feed a lot, they're growing the antlers out. 395 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: They don't really like to be in that thick brush, 396 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: so they're going to find those betting areas. And what 397 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: you'll start to find is the deer with less pressure 398 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: have these patterns where they go out to a certain 399 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: feeding area, then they go to this water, then they 400 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: go to this betting area or the safety zone this 401 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: cover right And now even though their antlers are maybe soft, 402 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: they definitely still go into timber. They still go into 403 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: two places you can't see into, especially if it's a 404 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: more timbered area. Now, this is where you can utilize 405 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: your summer scouting for later in the season. And I 406 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: don't I haven't heard a lot of people talk about this, 407 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: but this is definitely something that I've noticed over the 408 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 1: years is when I'm scouting in the summer, what I 409 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: really like to pay attention to is what I call 410 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: their safety zones. So they aren't pressured, they don't necessarily 411 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: have they aren't changing their patterns every day, or holding 412 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: up and going nocturnal, or or getting into a pocket 413 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 1: of cover where they feel safe and not moving from 414 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 1: it aside from dark, because the hunters are out all day, 415 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: bumping them, moving them whatever. You can watch these deer 416 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: during the summer, elk, whatever, doesn't matter what species, with 417 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: a lot less pressure, so they're just animals being animals 418 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:38,479 Speaker 1: without the added pressure of hunters in the area. So 419 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: how to use that to your advantage. You're gonna pay 420 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: attention to what their safety zones are. So they've got 421 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: this pattern. And most animals are creatures of habit especially 422 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: this is especially true when it comes to elk hunting. 423 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: Elk have like a certain that's why they're herd animals, 424 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: and they follow a lead cow. It's like that cow 425 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: knows the safety zones. That cow has like a good 426 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: pattern of keeping that herd safe and are moving and 427 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: they're using all their eyes and ears and everybody combined 428 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: to stay safe. But they're also falling into patterns. And 429 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: I would say out of all the species meal they're 430 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 1: probably the least patternable, but they still have a general pattern. 431 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: So what you can do is you can watch them 432 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: so that you're watching them in the summer. It's like 433 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: here they're feeding out in this open then they're moving 434 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: to this like nice safe betting zone. But after that, 435 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: like second their second betting, they're disappearing into this patcheck timber. 436 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: And you'll notice over time there's gonna be certain particular 437 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: places where they go to more than others, and those 438 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: are their safety zones. Now, when deers start to disappear, 439 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: when elks start to disappear later in the season, you're like, 440 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: where did they go? They were all here during the summer, 441 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 1: they were doing this, they were doing that, um, but 442 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: you don't see them. Did they move off? Not always, 443 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: It depends on whether it's a migratory area or there 444 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: the resident animals. But if they're resident animals, they've got 445 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: their safety zones that they know really well. And so 446 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: what they're probably doing is they're probably hitting those feeding 447 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: areas more a dark when they that pressure goes, and 448 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: then they're holding up in those safety zones. So you 449 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: can kind of figure out they've got a preferred betting area, 450 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: preferred area where they stay safe. But you can figure 451 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: it out a lot easier based on watching them in 452 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: a pattern when there's no pressure. So you'll pay attention, 453 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: okayither you watch the deer in this particular area like 454 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: the bowl where I'm talking For example, we've hunted deer 455 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: there from the beginning of archery season all the way 456 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: through October and even into the rut. We've taken giant 457 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: deer in August in the archery when they're on their 458 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: summer patterns, and we've taken big deer in October, which 459 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: is the hardest time to find them. But what we've 460 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: noticed is during the August season they were going into 461 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: generally they would feed, they would do their regular bed 462 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 1: where they're out in the open, and then we go 463 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: into this thick patch of mahoganies off this backside, and 464 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: that was their safety zone. And when they disappeared in October, 465 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: you know where they were just hold up in those 466 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: safety zones, waiting for that rut to hit, saving up 467 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: the energy. And by still hunting some of those safety zones, 468 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: we were able to be a lot more successful on 469 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: some of the really big bucks in the area that 470 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: would never show their face during the light of day 471 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: out in the open. So paying attention to those safety 472 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: zones is a really good way to kind of key 473 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: in later in the season. That's really true, especially for 474 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: elk when you've got the herd and you can see 475 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: what they're doing with no pressure and then kind of 476 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: figure out the preferred areas where they like to go, 477 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: where they feel safe in the timber No. Number five 478 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: kind of one of the advantages the summer scouting is 479 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: it's hot and animals are are a lot more tied 480 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: closely to water. The water can be often more concentrated 481 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: during the summer, and they're going to need that water 482 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: more often. So it's a really good another concentrated spot 483 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: to kind of pay attention to figure out where animals 484 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: are or the type of animals that are in your area. Now, 485 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: when you think about it, um, this is this could 486 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: be if it's legal or and you want to do it, 487 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: this is a good time to use some trail cams. 488 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: You can do some trail cam work around water holes, 489 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: around other things. Um. You know. The way that I 490 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: think about trail cams that I like to understand what 491 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: the animals are doing. Sometimes I use them. Sometimes even 492 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: when they're legal, I don't use them. It's just, uh, 493 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: I think some people have you know, everybody's got their 494 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: own opinions on different things hunting, but it can be 495 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: a great tactic to be able to understand what animals 496 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: are in the area. What water they're using, and what 497 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: particular places hold game animals. Now you're like, well, how 498 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 1: does that translate to later on in the season. In 499 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: the summer. Let's say you've got all this water in 500 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: an area. In the summer, a lot of that water 501 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: dries up, so the animals are going to get kind 502 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: of concentrated to certain water holes or certain areas where 503 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: there's water. Some more animals using fewer number of places. 504 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: What that does those It helps you in a big area. 505 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 1: You can see it's a new place that you've never 506 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: hunted before. You know, like, how where do I even 507 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: start During the summer? Where I start is finding water? 508 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: Because then what you can do is you can say, okay, 509 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: maybe during the fall, all the creeks are running, so 510 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna spread them back out. But you 511 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: can narrow down the areas in a large area like 512 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: a big unit, narrowed down to small waters and say 513 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: which area is having the most tracks, the most signed, 514 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: the most activity in these water holes or in the 515 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: water that's available, And then you can say, okay, during 516 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: the season, when there's more water, I'm still going to 517 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: focus in this general area. Now the animals I know 518 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: are going to be more spread out, but it narrows 519 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: down a large area into a smaller portion of the 520 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: unit where you've got higher densities of animals. And then 521 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: I'll hunt in those particular spots as the regular season 522 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: comes on, even though I know they're going to be 523 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: maybe more spread out like later in the fall, but 524 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: I know that these particular spots tend to hold more animals. 525 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 1: Those animals are coming from a wider area, but they're 526 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: coming right down to this little spot as the water 527 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: gets small, and then as there's more water they spread 528 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: back out. But I want to be in that general 529 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: area when that water spread back out, because I know 530 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: with the concentrations of animals in that area when it 531 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: comes down to it, really finding those exploitable weaknesses during 532 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: the summer and then using that strategically to hunt during 533 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: the fall can be an extremely successful way to find 534 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: that honeyhole, to find that spot. Really good spots are 535 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: often not found by accident. They're found by persistence and 536 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: looking during the best time of year to look, So 537 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: the time of year where you have the highest chance 538 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: of finding what you're looking for, and then that kind 539 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: of gives you like, okay, here's the area I can 540 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: go to, and then as that season narrows down, as 541 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: it gets to whatever season you're hunting, then you can 542 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: focus in on that spot and hunt it and start 543 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: picking it apart and find your success. So I hope 544 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: that helps you, guys. I know that for a lot 545 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 1: of people, if you have the time, if you've got 546 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: some a weekend or whatever, get out do some summer 547 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: scouting because I think it will pay huge dividends to 548 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: you later in the season. This this week actually so tomorrow. 549 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: Um just as like a note, if you're in the 550 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: area or if you can make it, it'll be tomorrow, 551 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: will be Friday. So if you're listening to this podcast 552 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: on Thursday when it goes up live, then you've got 553 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: till tomorrow. If you're listening to it after that, then 554 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: it probably doesn't pertain to you. But I will be 555 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: doing a live Q and A. I've talked about it 556 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: here before, but a live Q and A at the 557 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: Poping Young Convention in Reno, Nevada. I've got a one 558 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: hour slated for two to three pm and I'm doing 559 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: I'm doing back to back, so two to three pm 560 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: and then three thirty I'm starting another one for an hour. 561 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: So if it's the first one is four. If there's 562 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: other ones, whatever, or your question you can answer and 563 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: you want to stay. I'm gonna be doing two back 564 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: to back live Q and as Poping Young Club Convention Reno, 565 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: Nevada this Friday, So that is Friday. If you can 566 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: make it, that would be awesome. I'd love to see 567 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: you guys there. I'm gonna try to say try because 568 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: if something goes horribly wrong, I don't want people go 569 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: like what happen to the live Q and A think 570 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna do on the podcast, But I'm gonna try 571 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: to record it for this podcast because I think it'll 572 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: be fun to have other people, um, other people live 573 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,959 Speaker 1: questions asked and answered and I really enjoy that like 574 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: question and answer format. So bring your hunting questions if 575 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: you're coming, and I'll look forward to chatting with you 576 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: all there. I'm pretty stoked about that. There's also I 577 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: think I've got I think it will still work, um 578 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: like a discount on day passes go on my Instagram. 579 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: That will be a scroll back there's a post. I 580 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: think it's like Warren, you'll get half off the day 581 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: pass if you decided to come anyways. Uh yeah, So 582 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: I hope that helps everybody. I know, I got a 583 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,719 Speaker 1: lot of questions about summer scouting, people like getting excited, 584 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: get namped up about it. So I thought that i'd 585 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: throw out some of those, well kind of a more 586 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: or less why you should summer scout, and then ways 587 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: to kind of turn that summer scouting into success later 588 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: and in season. So if you guys have some success, 589 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: I always is love to see those success photos, share 590 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: those stories. I've got a lot of great stories coming 591 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: in already. Have people found success in some of those 592 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,959 Speaker 1: early seasons in California already? Blacktails a zone. Good job guys, 593 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: um So yeah, until then, get out and go find 594 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: some fuzzy. I'm talking about Velvin Nilers. I don't know 595 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: what you're talking about, but go find that fuzz all right. 596 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: Talk to you guys later or see you on Friday.