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Speaker 1: Foote force. If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to SOFTWAB Radio Special Operations, Military Nails on

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Speaker 1: straight talk with the guys in the community.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what's going on? Welcome back to soft Rep Radio.

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Speaker 2: I am your host rad and today I have an

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Speaker 2: awesome guest. But before I introduce you to him, I

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Speaker 2: want to remind you to keep picking up that merch.

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Speaker 2: Going to check out our book club. You go to

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Speaker 2: soft rep dot com. Hit that merch. It's all branded

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Speaker 2: Also our book club. Right. We got a lot of

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Speaker 2: authors that you guys have listened to me interview over

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Speaker 2: the years, and we have books from them in our

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Speaker 2: book club that are curated by special operators just for

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Speaker 2: guys and gals that want to read that world. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that knowledge So soft rep dot Com forward slash book

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Speaker 2: hyphen Club. Now I talk a lot to a lot

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Speaker 2: of awesome individuals. Everybody comes on the show as a rockstar.

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Speaker 2: There's some type of inner spotlight that just pours outward

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Speaker 2: onto us. My next guest, Jared Shepherd, is no different.

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Speaker 2: He is the founder of Warrior Ethos, which is a

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Speaker 2: transitioning veteran type website into you know, life after the military.

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Speaker 2: What do you do? Where do you go? That kind

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Speaker 2: of a thing. And he also has transitioned himself into

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Speaker 2: a company called Hypori Halo, which you may already know

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Speaker 2: about if you're active or in National Guard or in

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Speaker 2: the Air Force, Space Force, Space Force, door gunner, it's

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Speaker 2: Space Force baby. Yeah, all right, welcome to the show. Jared.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I appreciate you, brother, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Gets a ton, Yeah, And I want to shout out

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Speaker 2: to Laura for arranging all this. I know you've been busy.

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Speaker 2: You were at Special Operation Forces Week SOF Week that's

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Speaker 2: in Florida just recently, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in Tampa.

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Speaker 3: It was a great shows. It's both a great show from.

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Speaker 4: The business side of the house and it's also for

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Speaker 4: my nonprofit worries. He does is one of our biggest

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Speaker 4: events of the year. We get the USS American Victory

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Speaker 4: best funk band in Tampa.

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Speaker 3: Come out.

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Speaker 4: We have you know, you know, mission barbecues. There supporting.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's a great time for for a lot

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Speaker 4: of operators to all get together and tell tell lives

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Speaker 4: to each other about what they used to do and

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Speaker 4: right raise raise money for guys that are in transition

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Speaker 2: I love it. Now. What was probably the most public

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Speaker 2: craziest thing that they displayed that you didn't think they

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Speaker 4: Man, I've been going there for years, so I guess

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Speaker 4: nothing catches me by surprise anymore. But of course this

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Speaker 4: was an international year, and you know the Global Soft guys,

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Speaker 4: Combined Arms demonstration that they do out there where they

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Speaker 3: So it's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 4: You get to smell the cordite, you get to listen

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Speaker 3: And having fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right now. How would somebody look up Warrior

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Speaker 2: Ethos which you have founded and tell us about you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so so Warriors Ethos. The easiest way to find

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Speaker 3: It so it's it's w A r r I O

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Speaker 4: It is a nonprofit that helps veterans and transition out

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Speaker 4: Say, you know, like, look, you know your life isn't

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Speaker 2: You have a great beer too, bro, You know that

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Speaker 2: if you're watching this, it's a good beard, right. It

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to give you some respect on that,

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Speaker 2: all right, you.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you. I'm still in the minor leagues, competitors,

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Speaker 2: You know, it'd be longer, it would be longer. The

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So so the beard is just going to hit

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Speaker 3: That's nothing like a battlebelt as your groomer.

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Speaker 2: That's it. That's the only way. So I just want

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Speaker 2: to say Warrior Ethos dot org uh is where you

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Speaker 4: You're twelve months out from getting out of the military.

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Speaker 4: You need to start planning for you, right and you know,

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Speaker 4: go to wars you does dot of work. We'll help

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Speaker 4: walk you through that. We'll help you plan for your family.

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Speaker 4: We'll help you with resume planning, We'll help you with

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Speaker 4: You know, but we don't fish for you. We help

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Speaker 4: but it's become much bigger and just the idea is like, look,

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Speaker 3: Afterwards too, So so that that that's what work focused.

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Speaker 2: On, kind of like recre recreation therapy as a as

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Speaker 2: Go do something cool, something that will make you happy

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's amazing.

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Speaker 4: And you know when you think about transition, right, and

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Speaker 4: But a lot of nonprofits out there, and I think, actually,

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Speaker 4: in US spending time and helping people figure out how.

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Speaker 3: To go do not what's next.

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Speaker 4: We spend years teaching operators and other folks like that

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Speaker 4: But you know, we should we also shouldn't underestimate that

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Speaker 2: Heck, yeah, since it's our number one exported item. The

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, and just those two percent if you

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Speaker 2: guess not the bush or whatever. But everything has to

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Speaker 2: The number one thing is our military. That's why that's

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Speaker 4: I mean, you'd be amazed what veterans can go do though,

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Speaker 4: Carolina is a long taber, right, you know, he owns

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Speaker 4: multiple Smoothie Kings out there. A buddy of mine's a

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Speaker 2: My dad retired as a Green Beret, helped open a

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Speaker 2: all my friends. He's like, okay, here you go. You know,

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Speaker 2: he transitioned out. He was a business guy, went to

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Speaker 2: all your stuff. So so I know that you said

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Speaker 2: What what How old were you when you went through that?

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Speaker 2: You know. And uh, sniper school crazy crazy. I got

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Speaker 4: So the problem four course was different than sodaic, but

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Speaker 3: You know, it's coming to commandery of the time, commander.

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Speaker 4: Didn't even know how to employ a sniper effectively, you know,

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Speaker 3: That shit doesn't exist anymore. They don't feel mean, why

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Speaker 4: The weapon systems have become so much more advanced, the optics,

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Speaker 4: it's one of the things that everybody doesn't know realizing

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Speaker 4: the dope is, the spotting is there's a reason why

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: So it's but you know, knuckle in and do it.

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Speaker 4: It's a it's a it's a fun experience.

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Speaker 2: Knuckle in and do it. I'm gonna to make a shirt.

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Speaker 2: Knuckle and do it. That is exactly right, you know.

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Speaker 2: And that's just showing up and just learning and listen

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Speaker 3: And it's gonna suck. Just plan on it, you know.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of folks get, you know, romanticized

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Speaker 4: I mean, to do that stuff that comes to the

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Speaker 3: Be applied include to your point.

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Speaker 4: You know, just even getting close to an objective and

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Speaker 4: I would say that you're absolutely right, it is. It

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Speaker 4: And I'll tell you you know, you think it's all

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the romance, the romance of that goes away really.

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Speaker 2: Quickly, you know. Speaking of taking a leak, I always

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Speaker 4: Go which, which, by the way, like that has other

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, because you gotta go. You

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I would never see you're laying in waite so

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Speaker 2: The spider, spider, spider, No, no, no, where's my wife

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Speaker 3: to make like.

437
00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,840
Speaker 4: Seventy grand a year. And I'm like that's cool.

438
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Speaker 3: Shit, that's a lot of money. All right, I'm in right,

439
00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:51,159
Speaker 3: you know.

440
00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,040
Speaker 4: All right, So so I re enlisted to get away

441
00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,679
Speaker 4: from Fort Hood and to go learn it. You know,

442
00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,320
Speaker 4: God had a sense of humor, send me back to

443
00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,640
Speaker 4: Fort Hood as an IT guy, you know. So, so

444
00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,359
Speaker 4: I ended up being in the third Core G six

445
00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,120
Speaker 4: and eventually I ended up encountering that the brand new

446
00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,480
Speaker 4: Core commander, three star gun dB Bell, who sees me

447
00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,400
Speaker 4: working on his laptop and he essentially threatens my life.

448
00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,240
Speaker 3: He's like, hey, starting, why are you touching my laptop?

449
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,520
Speaker 3: I'll kill you, right, you know.

450
00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,800
Speaker 4: And I'm like, sir, I'm.

451
00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:21,240
Speaker 3: Your I T guy.

452
00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,119
Speaker 4: And he sees course infantry stuff on my chest and

453
00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:24,240
Speaker 4: he goes, no, you're an infantry guy.

454
00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,280
Speaker 3: Like, yes, sir, I'm an infantry guy, but I'm also.

455
00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:26,680
Speaker 4: An IT guy.

456
00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,560
Speaker 3: And I guess to him that meant I was his

457
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Speaker 3: IT guy.

458
00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,439
Speaker 4: So I found myself actually on September eleventh of two

459
00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,000
Speaker 4: thousand and one, being assigned to be his IT guy.

460
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,400
Speaker 3: Because he was in the Pentagon when it was hit

461
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Speaker 3: by the airplane.

462
00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,040
Speaker 4: He got brought back to Porthood and then I became

463
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Speaker 4: his I T guy and that ended up being my

464
00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,919
Speaker 4: last job in the Army, was working for him. And

465
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,359
Speaker 4: the beauty of working for him as a young e

466
00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,840
Speaker 4: five was, you know, I got to be the straphanger

467
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,240
Speaker 4: in the room where there was the very very senior

468
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,320
Speaker 4: people that were mentoring him, Secretary, State secretary, you know,

469
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Speaker 4: under Secretary, Defense, you name it. And I realized, man,

470
00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 4: the world is way bigger than I ever thought it was.

471
00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,000
Speaker 4: And so I made the decision, you know, I think

472
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get out and try to do something impactful,

473
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,560
Speaker 4: do something impactful at scale. And of course they my

474
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,159
Speaker 4: leadership at time, really wanted me to stay in and

475
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,679
Speaker 4: become an officer, and I considered it, but I just

476
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Speaker 4: I didn't want to wait another twenty years to be

477
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Speaker 4: at a rank that was actually influential, and I felt

478
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 4: like maybe I could actually accomplish that as a civilian

479
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,919
Speaker 4: instead and find a way to get back now.

480
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Speaker 3: Of course, if you would have told me back then

481
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:32,480
Speaker 3: that I would then log.

482
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Speaker 4: Forty six months of deployment as a civilian into Iraq, Afghanistan, Gayecutter, Yemen, etc.

483
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Speaker 4: I would have never guessed, but it was one of

484
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Speaker 4: the best things I did. Was not because I wanted

485
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 4: to get out of the military, but because I wanted

486
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,800
Speaker 4: to have a better impact on the mission and I

487
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Speaker 4: felt I could.

488
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Speaker 3: Do that as a civilian.

489
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Speaker 2: And now today, that's a great segue. You're great, that's great,

490
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 2: well spoken. So it's on your shirt. It says hi PORI, right,

491
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Speaker 2: Hi PORI, halo this is a.

492
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Speaker 3: Black ironically, yeah, so I'm like, I'm like a damn

493
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 3: NASCAR shirt.

494
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's cool. I got one. It's cool.

495
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,639
Speaker 3: I always joke. So this is how it started.

496
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 4: So back in two thousand and six, I started my

497
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 4: first company, which is Intelligent Waves and it's a IT

498
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 4: services company. And I was literally asked ultimately by General

499
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,640
Speaker 4: Odierno to step in and help GIDOS stand up. What

500
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 4: is what was the the the counter Ied Operational Intelligence Center.

501
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 4: We were really going after what's called attack the network.

502
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 4: We were trying to how do we use technology to

503
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 4: disrupt bad guys that were building bombs and trying to

504
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,679
Speaker 4: kill our guys? Right, And I had already deployed once

505
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 4: with Third Core helping build out the infrastructure in Iraq.

506
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 4: So I had a really good intimate understanding of what

507
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 4: Iraq was there already spent fifteen months there at the time,

508
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 4: I knew that all the network infrastructure was there. So

509
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 4: I ended up, you know, kind of deciding rather than

510
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 4: do it for somebody else, so I was going to

511
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 4: do it for my own company. And I went and

512
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 4: talked to my boss at the time, was a guy

513
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,959
Speaker 4: named General Joe Anderson fighting Joe and Uh. I said, hey, Sir,

514
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 4: I think I'm going to start my own company and

515
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 4: he was like, bullshit, You're coming back to Iraq with us.

516
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 4: I was like, most, Sir, No, I mean, I'll come Iraq,

517
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 4: but I'll be wearing my own T shirt.

518
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 3: And he was like, oh, I don't give a shit

519
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 3: of his T shirt you're wearing.

520
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,439
Speaker 4: And I like, get the yours all the better, Like

521
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 4: I can kick your butt, and let's go talk to

522
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 4: the boss. And so we go talk to General Odierna,

523
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 4: who was a free star at times. And Odierno was

524
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 4: this legendary guy and great influencer and mentor, and he

525
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 4: just he had a lot of impact on my life.

526
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 3: But that he was a west Point Lineman. We lost

527
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 3: in the cancer last year unfortunately.

528
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 4: But he was a West Point Lineman, big bald guy,

529
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 4: like you know, massive guy. He comes out, but he

530
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 4: SOPs spoken. It was really clearly, you know, clearly articulated.

531
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Speaker 4: And I tell him what I was thinking about doing.

532
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 4: And he puts this mom of a hand on my

533
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,239
Speaker 4: shoulder and says, Jared, this is the American dream to

534
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 4: have come where you've come from. Because he knew my background,

535
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 4: served your country and now have a chance to start

536
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 4: your own company. He's like, I'll support it. I think

537
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 4: you should do it, and and that became the birth

538
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 4: of Intelligent Waves and me ultimately becoming the first acting

539
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 4: six for Giito Gito Koch, building the first Koch downrange

540
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 4: in Iraq, and then and then building out my company.

541
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 4: I built every attack to the network platform there was in

542
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 4: Iraq at Afghanistan over the next eight ten years.

543
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 2: Almost almost a domino effect probably just started going. You

544
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: were like, oh this, this, this and and and being

545
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Speaker 2: t it and having that understanding. It really did come

546
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 2: in handy from the military.

547
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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean when I joined the army, I

548
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 4: originally I thought I was going to be you know,

549
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Speaker 4: I was going to be a.

550
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Speaker 2: Killer crown powdered killer, yeah, infantry.

551
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Speaker 4: And it told me I was going to spend all

552
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Speaker 4: my time in war being an IT guy.

553
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 3: I would have never.

554
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 2: Thought a herref dude, like you're like, wait a second,

555
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 2: HTML matters. It's like you want me to like make

556
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Speaker 2: this like this hyperlink into a word, know, I mean the.

557
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Speaker 4: Cool thing was like one of my bragging points was

558
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 4: at one point I think I think we were under control.

559
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 4: I had more bandwidth that belonged to me in country

560
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 4: than any division and iracked it, you know, because we

561
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 4: were doing more really cool stuff, whether it was with

562
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 4: task Force and with the soft communities or with the

563
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 4: counter rag D communities with task Force, Thrower test forces.

564
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Speaker 4: Paladin sixteen seventeen, the mems great friends like General Clark

565
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 4: back then was Colonel Clark, he was the he was

566
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 4: a regimental commander and then became the seventeen commander. I

567
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 4: helped use Gidoh's money to build Task for seventeen right.

568
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 4: And then Scottie Miller, General Miller his wife you know

569
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 4: when I started Warriors Ethos twelve years ago when he

570
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 4: was a colonel. His wife actually helped me because she

571
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 4: was part of SOCOM's care Coalition rite up what became

572
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 4: our initial transition plan, which was the genesis of the

573
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Speaker 4: nonprofit right.

574
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Speaker 3: And it's just being.

575
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 4: Around legends like that and being able to be exposed

576
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 4: to legends like that, and it just has this you know,

577
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 4: it's kind of.

578
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 3: Been my lifetime of once in a lifetime opportunities.

579
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Speaker 2: Same. Okay, I'm going to ride that way with you.

580
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 2: I get to interview you, and you got to meet

581
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: all of them, and all these people that I get

582
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: to interact with. It's the same thing. These people come

583
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 2: into my life. I tell myself after probably ninety five

584
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: percent of my interviews, I'm a better person because of

585
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 2: that interview. I've learned something new, or I opened up

586
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 2: my mind, or I wasn't so you know, constricted on

587
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 2: my views, or I just you know, just wanted to

588
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: hear the other person out, Like this conversation. You and

589
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: I had never met before, you know, and we're just

590
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 2: having a conversation about you. You're willing to be open

591
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: with me. Hey, I just want people to still have

592
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: this kind of you can do this in today's world.

593
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 2: You could talk to someone like yes, you know.

594
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 4: He's giving back such a nice thing that I think

595
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 4: is I think people overlook and when I was, when

596
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 4: I was that high school dropout, homeless kid, right that

597
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 4: I told you about, the guy that kind of saved

598
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 4: me was a guy.

599
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 3: I didn't know who the guy was. Ultimately, a cop

600
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 3: brought me to.

601
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 4: Him and said, look, either take care of this kid

602
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 4: or he's going to go to jail kind of thing.

603
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 4: And he went out of his way to kind of

604
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 4: help me and get me on the path. Ironically, he

605
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 4: used like reverse psychology to get me to join the army.

606
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 4: He was kind of like, no, you should be a

607
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 4: groundskeeper in the Air Force. I was like, scure that,

608
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 4: I'm want to be a freaking infantry guy, you know

609
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 4: what I mean. But he when I realized that he

610
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 4: had really put me on the right path and he

611
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 4: had kind of saved my life, you know, I came

612
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 4: back to him. I said, hey, John, I owe you

613
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 4: and he was like, you're right, you do. And I

614
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 4: was like okay, Like he was like, and it's expensive.

615
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, all right, Like like what do

616
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 4: I owe you? He's like, You're gonna have to do

617
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 4: it for other people, but not when it's convenient. You

618
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 4: have to do it when it's painful. You have to

619
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 4: do it when it's inconvenient, when you don't have time

620
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 4: and you don't have the money, because that's when it matters,

621
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 4: because if you just do it.

622
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 3: When it's convenient, it's kind of bullshit.

623
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 4: He's like, you got to do it when it's hard,

624
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 4: and that's when it matters.

625
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 3: And my whole life of.

626
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 4: All these amazing influencing people, mentors and people who went

627
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 4: out of their way to pick me underwing for no

628
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 4: real reason that I deserve is because people did it

629
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 4: when they didn't need to. And so a big part

630
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 4: of my life is doing it when I should right.

631
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 3: Which is all the time.

632
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 4: And that was the genesis of worries Ethos. It's the

633
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 4: reason why I mentor a lot of other people in

634
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 4: small business. It's the reason why I get back. I mean,

635
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 4: that's them already a mass more money than I ever

636
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 4: dreamed of making. Most of it I'm going to give

637
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 4: away after this, just better ways to do, better, ways

638
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 4: to have impact, Pay.

639
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 2: It forward, pay it forward. It's just what it is.

640
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: You know, we don't get to take it with us

641
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: in anywhere, but what you can do is relationship with Denzel.

642
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 4: I think Denzel Washington was talking to some college kids,

643
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 4: you know, playing NTUAA Champions and he told him he said, hey,

644
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 4: he's like, you know what you never see following a

645
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 4: hurse or never see following a hurse. And they were

646
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 4: all like, what a moving truck. You can't take this

647
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 4: shit with you, So find a way to do something

648
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 4: impactful with.

649
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 2: It, exactly, exactly, just pay it forward. If you have knowledge,

650
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: share your knowledge, like write a book, put it out there,

651
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: or just share it. Like what you're doing right now

652
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: talking about where you came from. Someone out there is

653
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 2: going to be listening to this and they're like, Okay, yeah, hey,

654
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 2: maybe I came from that same cloth, you know. Bro.

655
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: I mean I'm like, if I can do it, anybody can,

656
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 3: you know.

657
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 4: And I think one of the pieces of advice I

658
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 4: give everybody who's like aspiring to go do something new

659
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 4: or be something more or find a way to be

660
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 4: more impactful, is like you have to seek mentorship, not.

661
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 3: Wait for it.

662
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 4: Right And and for me, like I have a gregacious personality,

663
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 4: I'm I can be borderline obnoxious sometimes and and how

664
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 4: strong my personality is, but sometimes the best thing I

665
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 4: can ever do is just shut up and listen. And

666
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 4: and when I try to remember, I think I sold earlier.

667
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 4: You know, there was a point where I remember waking

668
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 4: up in the backseat of this abandoned car, uh, you know,

669
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 4: the low thirties outside, and I remember trying to figure

670
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 4: out was I going to go get warm or go

671
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 4: find food? And I hold on to that feeling because

672
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 4: I want to believe that I'm never better than.

673
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 3: I was that day.

674
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 4: And if I can believe that, then that means I'm

675
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 4: never better than anybody, right, And then, and then if

676
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 4: if we could all just get out of our own

677
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 4: ways and and and embrace that kind of idea and

678
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 4: be willing to listen to anyone. Because people tell me

679
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 4: they're like, oh, Jared, you're so successful because you work

680
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 4: so hard.

681
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I'm successful because I'm lucky. People go, no, no, no,

682
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 3: you work really hard.

683
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,479
Speaker 4: I'm like, a freaking janitor works hard. That doesn't make

684
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 4: them successful, right. The fact that I had people who

685
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 4: have gone out of their way to help me.

686
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 3: Has made me successful.

687
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 4: The fact that I was willing to listen to the mentorship.

688
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 4: By the way, that same janitor who works his asshof

689
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 4: for forty years of his life. He's got something to

690
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 4: teach you. Oh yeah, but can you.

691
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 3: Listen to it?

692
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: What's funny about that janitor? He's probably a Green Beret

693
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: and you just don't get it, like you.

694
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 4: You know, I know a lot of I know a

695
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 4: lot of really good.

696
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: Good, successful Green Berets. But you're you're there. They're all

697
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: forums and all forms and all.

698
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: They're all chief bottle washer, cat bottle washers, you know,

699
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: like they're all janitors, accountants, like all of one.

700
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 4: A good thing about a lot of a lot of

701
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 4: long tabers and knuckle draggers is there's nothing beneath them.

702
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: So no, well I'll tell you. My dad was my

703
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: baseball coach, you know, and so like if some other

704
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: coach was yelling at my dad, they're like, who are

705
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: you yelling at? Bro? You know who I thought was Rambo?

706
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: You're yelling at my dad about that strike? Bro? Do

707
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,239
Speaker 2: you even know who my dad was? That's why That's

708
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: how I viewed it, right, So, so you know, these

709
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: people live among us. There are neighbors. They're just you

710
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: just don't know who's doing what in the guard It

711
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: could be the local high school dude.

712
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 3: And often nobody doubts them more than they do.

713
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 4: Right, nobody doubts them more than themselves, right, I mean

714
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 4: that was you know that that self doubts real and

715
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 4: it can be an impediment if they if you don't

716
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 4: learn how to hold control it.

717
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: Did you get the opportunity to go airborne as well

718
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: through your career?

719
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: I did not?

720
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: Actually, Okay, yeah, leg yeah, same, But my dad says

721
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: I'm his leg, So that's a different story.

722
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: Which which is which is really weird.

723
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 4: I was actually assigned to a lurse unit for a while,

724
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 4: so being a leg lurse guy was really interesting.

725
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 3: Or or as as my section is starting to call me.

726
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: Trucklers, that's that's wild, that's wild.

727
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 4: Now, realistically it was. It was more helicopter than anything.

728
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 4: But but you know, he he he loved to call

729
00:30:58,960 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 4: me trucklers.

730
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was what it was. What it was.

731
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: Were you always in a helicopter? Were you always flying around?

732
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 4: I mean when you were in a lursuit for the

733
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 4: most part most of our insertions back when I was

734
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 4: doing it work, we're by helicopters.

735
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: Any crazy helicopter touchdowns.

736
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 3: The one there I broke both my ankles.

737
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 4: Wow, we were doing what's called touch and goes where

738
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 4: the what they were supposed to look is from a distance,

739
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 4: it looks like the helicopter never stops right. So but

740
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 4: what it does is it comes in and it sets

741
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 4: its tail down and then as it levels out at

742
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 4: ground level, crew chief gives you thumbs up, You kick

743
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 4: your rucks out and go, and then the helicopter keeps

744
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 4: flying off right.

745
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: And.

746
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: Helicopter's nighttime.

747
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 4: You see, you take all your gear off, your face,

748
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 4: you know, because you don't want to, you know, hit

749
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 4: the ground with something on your face and everything else.

750
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 4: And crewchie gives us thumbs up, and kick rucks and

751
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 4: jump out the door. And unfortunate, we're about fifteen feet

752
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 4: off the air out the ground and I landed right

753
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 4: on a rock. So so that wasn't fun.

754
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: No, No, what would the usual hype be like right.

755
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 4: At ground Usually the wheels are pretty much on the ground. Yeah,

756
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 4: Like you kick out and you're on the ground or

757
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 4: a couple of feet above it.

758
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's angled, you're getting you're jumping out basically like

759
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: John Wick, and that keeps going. But your ankles.

760
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: Some of those some of those pilots man, especially the

761
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 3: one sixties guys. You know, they're stupid good like the

762
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: sore guys. Those guys, you know.

763
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 4: Set the back wheel of a black Hawk on a

764
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 4: building and hold it while guys are are are roping out. Man.

765
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: I mean it's pretty impressive.

766
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: You know. I actually have the creator of that, Colonel Nightingale.

767
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: Uh he. I just had him on like the other day,

768
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: and he contributes and rights to He just did the

769
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 2: Ranger Creed on soft reap dot com, so he is

770
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: the When I was interviewing him, he's like, yeah, then

771
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: I founded this group called the one sixtieth and I

772
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: was like, wait a second here, the one sixtieth sorn

773
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: Stockers Like yeah, rad, Well, you know Panama.

774
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 4: A couple of my you know, I talk about that

775
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 4: list of just amazing mentors. A couple of them were

776
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 4: nice stalkers. You know Tom Matthews, who was the squadron

777
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 4: commander at the time in black Hawk downs, you know

778
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 4: which of course Scotty Miller was the delta guy on

779
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 4: the ground at the time, and yeah, others, and then

780
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 4: Tom's been a.

781
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 3: Great mentor to me over the years.

782
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 4: He's hopefully getting ready to retire finally, you know, retire

783
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 4: from civilian service.

784
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: He's never done a SS for a.

785
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: Long time, never ever.

786
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: And then uh, I'm spacing spacing.

787
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: Now, that's Miller. Miller.

788
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 4: Another guy who was who was a Little Bird pilot

789
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 4: was just an absolutely outstand mentor to me too.

790
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 3: He was actually one of the original Little Broud test pilots.

791
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, those are I don't.

792
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 3: Know why I say.

793
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 4: Jimmy Miles later became General Miles three star, but but yeah,

794
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 4: Jimmy Miles was one of the original Little Bird test pilots.

795
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 3: He was great, just absolutely legendary, legendary aviator. Great dude.

796
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know they're crazy and those uh air

797
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: for those the helicopters.

798
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 4: Which is ironic because like the little birds so small,

799
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 4: Like have you ever been on one? Around one? But

800
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 4: it's like so small, and General Miles, Jimmy Miles is

801
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 4: like he's like six ' four, you know or something

802
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 4: like that.

803
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 3: So it's like, I'm sure when he was in that thing,

804
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 3: he's like.

805
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: That's me. I'm six that's me. That's me right there

806
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: to seventy bro sixty five, that's what's up, General, how

807
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: you doing, sir, Let's go for a ride together. He'd

808
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: be like, rat, it's just a one man showing here.

809
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: I know there's four, but the weight limit, I've got it. Yeah,

810
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: those guys go upside down and just like sideways, they look.

811
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 3: Like you're not with people on them.

812
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 2: But yeah no, but I mean, yeah, exactly exactly. That's

813
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: so cool. Now you have this this platform. If you

814
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: go to hy poor am I saying it right, hypoor

815
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: so it's.

816
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Hypori Halo became the genesis of of you know,

817
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 4: the work I was doing with soft and the work

818
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 4: we were doing with the intelligent wave side of the house.

819
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 4: A guy named John Mohan, General Mohan came to me

820
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 4: and said, hey, Jared, this all this stuff is really cool,

821
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 4: but what we really need is we need the ability

822
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 4: to have a team go into a place they're not

823
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 4: supposed to be with nothing and be able to securely,

824
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 4: you know, be able to buy or use some form

825
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 4: of communications in which they can't be tracked or targeted.

826
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 3: And so we.

827
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 4: Created a solution that would allow operators to go into

828
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 4: a you know, what's called a contested environment or as

829
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 4: an icepace environment like that, and they could buy a

830
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 4: cell phone off of a host nation market, knowing that

831
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 4: the cell phone was compromised and the network was compromised

832
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 4: and be able to then still securely command and control

833
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 4: without the risk of losing data. And there's some unique

834
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 4: ways that we had to implement that with some other

835
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 4: technologies and to do that kind of mission step, but

836
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 4: we did sell successfully.

837
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 3: But along the way I was like, man, this actually

838
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 3: addresses such a bigger problem. Like this is today what

839
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 3: we call BYOD, but this is.

840
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 4: The ability to access an enterprise data in the enterprise

841
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 4: with information that you want to protect, whether it's Dot's

842
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 4: Nippernet or a company's Internet or a company's network, where

843
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 4: they have proprietary information hip a controlled information, the sec

844
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 4: controlled information whatever happens to d right where they can

845
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 4: go and access this secure data from a device that

846
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 4: the company doesn't want to control and assumes is already compromised, right,

847
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 4: and do so in a way in which the user

848
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 4: can't compromise the data that they're accessing and inversely protect

849
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 4: the user's privacy from the company's overreach. Right. Ultimately being

850
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 4: able to ensure that you can use your personal phone

851
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 4: access highly sensitive information in a way in which you

852
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 4: can't compromise the information and in a way in which

853
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 4: they don't get to see what's on your phone either,

854
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 4: Like they don't get to see what websites you go to,

855
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 4: what apps you have on your phone, any of that

856
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 4: other stuff too, So maintaining both in enterprises security and

857
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 4: the user's privacy, or like you know, what we call

858
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 4: now is protect everything that's important, not just the enterprise.

859
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: Right, it's almost like an integrated VPN network where it's like.

860
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 4: More complex than that that way, like it's like what's

861
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 4: called a virtual desktop solution but for a mobile device

862
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 4: on steroids written around NSA standards.

863
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 2: Right, that's what I'm saying. That's but for those of

864
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 2: us that didn't realize that, that's kind of what it

865
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: would be almost Like you know today today.

866
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 4: I can use my personal cell phone, I can get

867
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 4: on d D Nippernet, right and and and that's where

868
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 4: the only d D wide enterprise authorized byo D platform,

869
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 4: which in English that means you know, if you're if

870
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 4: you have an Army dot mil address and you're in

871
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 4: the Army, you can get to Nippernet using your personal

872
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 4: set cell phone do fully pk I enabled everything, team's

873
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 4: HR stuff, everything else like that, and without the Army

874
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 4: being able to see anything on your personal cell phone

875
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 4: and without you being able to screw up and lose

876
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 4: any data of the.

877
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 2: Armies on your personal cell phone. And then therefore everybody's

878
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 2: happy because the army and the military doesn't want you

879
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 2: on your personal cell phone seeing personal stuff like that.

880
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 4: Well, the Army doesn't want to know what started and

881
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 4: Snuffy is doing on his own time, right, I mean

882
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 4: they don't. They don't want to inherit that liability and

883
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 4: in nor does startin stuff you want the Army to

884
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 4: know that.

885
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 2: Sorry, it's such the same time.

886
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 4: You know, the world has changed post COVID, the world

887
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 4: has changed, right, we need to enable service members to collaborate,

888
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 4: not just while they're they're at the motor pool, but

889
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, imagine you get start in first class.

890
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 4: Snuffy the ability to knock out the n coe rs.

891
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 4: He's got to do the awards, he's got to do

892
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 4: the paperwork, he's got to do, but he could actually

893
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 4: do it on a Sunday at home with his kids

894
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 4: crawling on the floor.

895
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 3: Watching a football game, rather than having to go in

896
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: and spend more time away from his family.

897
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 4: Right. The idea of byod, the idea of what this

898
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 4: was supposed to be for the department is let's empower

899
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 4: service members to have more convenience, more flexibility, more time

900
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 4: at home, but yet still be able to knock out

901
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 4: the work that's necessary.

902
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 2: And ninety I'm gonna say ninety eight percent of people

903
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: have a cell phone, right, and so you're like already.

904
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 3: Significantly people have laptops now, I mean, like hell that.

905
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 4: I think last year they said something like sixty eight

906
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 4: percent of all Internet traffic in the world was generated

907
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 4: by mobile devices.

908
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I mean we're mobile. It is. It

909
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: is what it is. It is it is, and so

910
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 2: it embrace it or get ran over. And plus having

911
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: all of your personnel having these devices personally purchased, chances

912
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: are that they bought their own already their phone, you know,

913
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 2: their style. They can just access it. You don't have

914
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 2: to issue them a new point.

915
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 4: Well, and the other thing is like the government can't

916
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 4: sustain buying cell phones for people.

917
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 3: That's just that's just not sustainable.

918
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

919
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 4: And then the other side of too, like you know, Arsey,

920
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 4: the reason why we built all that security into it was,

921
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 4: I mean, originally it was for classified purposes, right, for

922
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 4: classified mobility. But what it's really manifested into is like, look,

923
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 4: if you guys are seeing this and you're watching it

924
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 4: on TikTok, I'm sorry, man, you're an idiot.

925
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: The TikTok is a nation state acting platform.

926
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 4: It is a you know, people go, well, what's the

927
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 4: same as Instagram and Facebook? Yeah, except for it's not

928
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 4: owned by the Chinese government, right, you know. I mean,

929
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 4: so TikTok is owned by the Chinese government. It is

930
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 4: used to actively exploit and change the outcome of people's

931
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 4: behavior inside the United States by the Chinese government. And

932
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 4: if you don't realize that that's a threat platform, then

933
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 4: you're not paying attention. And we have to do things

934
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 4: to defend against the influence of nation state acting platforms

935
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 4: like that, because at the speed the Chinese are at

936
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 4: right now, they're going to overtake us in technology if

937
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 4: we're not careful, and especially if we're not protecting our

938
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 4: IP and our data because they have built i mean,

939
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 4: look at their joints Strike their version of the Joint

940
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 4: Strike Fighter.

941
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 3: How did they get to that that fact, Well, they

942
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 3: fucking stole our plans.

943
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, so so, I mean, and that's how they build

944
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 4: a lot of what they have, and we have to

945
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 4: stop being complacent as a nation, as a government, as

946
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 4: a military, we've got to stop being complacent to that

947
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 4: and know that they are actively collecting against us.

948
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 3: And we have to purpose buy and build our.

949
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 4: Technologies in the Department of Fence to fight, just like

950
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 4: we do with tanks and planes.

951
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: Well, there's that guy right now who just admitted to

952
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: colluding with the Chinese in the navy, just like recently

953
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: in our media is like just admitted guilt and he's

954
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 2: it's real man actively in the navy.

955
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 4: And it cracks me up when I hear people going, oh,

956
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 4: the government's spying on me and privacy, privacy, privacy, and YadA, YadA, YadA,

957
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 4: and they're bitching about it on TikTok.

958
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, oh, yes, you're an idiot or anywhere on

959
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 2: any social media platform, any of it, because you get

960
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: you get human, and like all this intelligence is gathered,

961
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 2: it's open intel that you're just putting out for anyone

962
00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: to gather.

963
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not a I'm okay, I'm on social

964
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 4: media all time, like, but you have to know what

965
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 4: it is, right, you have to understand that it is

966
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 4: like like like I said, like, the principle of the

967
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 4: way that we built the platform in.

968
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 3: The first place was to assume that the edge device

969
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 3: is already compromised, right, because it probably is.

970
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 4: Whether it's whether it's compromised because it was a malicious

971
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 4: actor like the Chinese, or it's compromised because you downloaded

972
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 4: an app.

973
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: And you clicked I agree to sharing your.

974
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 4: Information except on cooking the other's it's it's some form

975
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 4: of compromise.

976
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: You don't have to accept all the cookies.

977
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 4: But I mean, but but yeah, I mean even if

978
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 4: you're using any of the mobile phone producers platforms, those

979
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 4: mobile phone see there's iPhone, Apple, Google, you name it.

980
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 4: They make money off of having access to your data.

981
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: Oh a hundred percent. And it's it's all right there

982
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: in the user agreement that we just say yes yep.

983
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: I was always taught that if you're going to sign

984
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 2: a contract that had a lawyer involved, you should have

985
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: a lawyer involved in your contract.

986
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, but yeah, you know, lawyers exist because lawyers exist.

987
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: Well, they like to say that, Yeah, I know, I

988
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: get that, right, Holy cal there's a whole other conversation.

989
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 3: That's one of those career fields. I'm hoping that.

990
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 4: I mean nothing personal with my friends that are lawyers,

991
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 4: but that's one of those career fields that I'm hoping

992
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 4: AI puts out of business.

993
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: Oh them an accountants.

994
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 2: Have you heard about people spiking the AI?

995
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, yeah, I mean there's called data contamination

996
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 4: or data poisoning.

997
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: The teacher put Frankenstein in what they knew the kids

998
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 2: would go and search, and so they put the word

999
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: Frankenstein or whatever, and they landmined the kids's report, and

1000
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: the kids went in and did AI and it came

1001
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: back saying that during the time of Shakespeare Frankenstein or

1002
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: something along those lines, And the teacher immediately knew that

1003
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: they didn't write the report.

1004
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 4: It's it's a I mean, so AI is you know,

1005
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 4: we're going on a tangent, of course, but that's okay.

1006
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 4: AI is our generation's version of splitting.

1007
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: The out of.

1008
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 4: You know, our our grandfather's you know, for them, it

1009
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 4: was splitting the atom and how that could be used

1010
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 4: atomic power for atomic weapons. AI for us is the

1011
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 4: exact same thing. AI is going to change the world,

1012
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 4: whether we like it or not. How we allow it

1013
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 4: to change the world was up to us.

1014
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 2: John Connor, where are you bro, Oh jeez, dude, because

1015
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: I know that's your word. Probably the same age almost, dude,

1016
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 2: I'll tell you I'm forty six, so i'll tell.

1017
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: You, oh, yeah, come a couple of years older than you.

1018
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and you look good though. I'm gonna say

1019
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: that one more time to you on this show.

1020
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 3: Brother, API appreciate you.

1021
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, see right now, let's let's talk about that.

1022
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: I'm looking at a new laptop so that I can

1023
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: host my show and have RAM and terrabytes, and I'm

1024
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 2: being told, oh, you need to buy the one that

1025
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: has the new AI integrated inside of it, not on

1026
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 2: the cloud, and that's the one you need to buy

1027
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 2: through like MS Microsoft. I think has it Microsoft?

1028
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 3: This new AI Microsoft co pilot co pilot.

1029
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: I'm nervous, I'm scared. I'm like, ah, do I just

1030
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: want to snipewriter the hell?

1031
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 4: You know, Like, look, your personal use of AI is

1032
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 4: not going to change the world. How we allow government,

1033
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 4: how we allow corporations, how we allow the education institution

1034
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 4: to embrace it, you know, I mean and really like

1035
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 4: how we regulate AI is going to be the things

1036
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 4: that we have to really seriously consider. Like I don't

1037
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 4: know if you know, like like Snapchat has AI built

1038
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 4: into it, and so that means we got these kids

1039
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 4: under the age of eighteen that can interact with an

1040
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 4: AI algorithm core. And the problem is there's no there's

1041
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 4: no safety is put on it, right and so you know,

1042
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 4: and that we there's a couple of studies out there

1043
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 4: where they tested this and they were like, hey, what

1044
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 4: if a kid starts talking about things like suicide, does

1045
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 4: AI flag that? And no, if anything, it gives them ideas.

1046
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 4: And it's like, you know, because it doesn't know it's AI,

1047
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 4: it doesn't have context. It doesn't it doesn't have right now,

1048
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 4: we don't we don't have safeties or parameters built around

1049
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 4: it in the way in which it's allowed to interact.

1050
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 4: And who should be allowing to interact with I mean,

1051
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 4: if you don't want to your kids surfing YouTube unchecked,

1052
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 4: you probably don't want him interacting with AI and unchecked either.

1053
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 2: And today's stuff is today's phones. It's all coming with it,

1054
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: like you know, sandwiched into it.

1055
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 4: It's just like atomic energy, man, Like I go back

1056
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 4: to my analogy on on you know, it's our nation's

1057
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 4: version is splitting the atom.

1058
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: If you remember when we were first testing it.

1059
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 4: You know that the you know guys were out there

1060
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 4: with sunglasses watching it from from thirty miles out watching

1061
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 4: the new you know, watching the atomic detonation, go going wow,

1062
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 4: that's cool because they didn't.

1063
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 3: Know any better. They didn't know, right, And we're the

1064
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 3: same way with with AI right now.

1065
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 4: We just there's just certain things and implications and aspects

1066
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 4: of this that we just don't know yet. We can speculate,

1067
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 4: and some guys will say, hey, the world is going

1068
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 4: to end. I mean, so it's the Oppenheimer paradigm, right,

1069
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 4: So the Oppenheimer paradigm is was ultimately Oppenheimer.

1070
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 5: Got put put with this position, this decision that he

1071
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 5: had to make that was, Hey, that we believe there's

1072
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 5: actually a reasonable percentage of as that if you detonate

1073
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 5: this atomic weapon in the atmosphere, it will light the

1074
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,959
Speaker 5: atmosphere on fire and destroy the entire Earth.

1075
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 4: Inversely, if you don't do it, the Russians will discover

1076
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 4: the use of atomic weapons and can potentially destroy us off.

1077
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: We wipe us off the face of the planet. What

1078
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 3: are you going to do?

1079
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do?

1080
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 4: And so I mean he pushed the button, right yeah,

1081
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 4: right right, at which we have and I would.

1082
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 3: Argue that you know, he didn't have a choice.

1083
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 4: AI is the same problem, Like, okay, we want to

1084
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 4: put safeties and parameters on AI today to protect our children,

1085
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Speaker 4: to protect our nations, protect the world hopefully, right.

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Speaker 3: Are the Chinese gonna do the same? Are the Russians

1087
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: going to do the same.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. You know, they passed a bill

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00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 2: where you can't look at adult content unless you can

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00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: get verified as an eighteen or older, you know, all

1091
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: all around the internet. That's just a thing. Why aren't

1092
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: they doing that? You think with you know, it's thirteen

1093
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: to be on you know, some of these social media things,

1094
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 2: you have to be thirteen. It's like, are you thirteen

1095
00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 2: or older? Check this box.

1096
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, it's this could be a whole

1097
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 3: hole that we could go down to.

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00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 4: But but I'm almost of the mind of you know,

1099
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 4: like look Google and Microsoft and these big, these big,

1100
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 4: massive powers, right, these these trillion dollar plus companies. I

1101
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 4: almost don't wonder if we don't need to create a

1102
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 4: different version of the Internet for children.

1103
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: What was created for the military in the first place.

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00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 4: Like like buying buying a firearm maybe we should treat

1105
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 4: access to the internet the same way, you know, and

1106
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 4: and like hey, like let's take it seriously.

1107
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 3: It is a constitutional right, like just the right the right.

1108
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 4: To freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, you know,

1109
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 4: the rights of privacy.

1110
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Speaker 3: These are all constitutional rights. How does the access to

1111
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: the internet affect those rights? Because it does.

1112
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 4: It affects every one of them every day, and we

1113
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 4: haven't really ever figured out how to how to to

1114
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 4: do that. And if anything, what we've done is we

1115
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 4: passed laws that say, if you're a provider of information,

1116
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 4: even bad information, we can't hold you accountable for it.

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00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 2: H Or if you're a parent who posted up their

1118
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: daughters first menstrual cycle and the daughter's now twenty five,

1119
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: but that's on the internet, and maybe the parents monetize

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Speaker 2: her up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean and now that now that that child's

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00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 4: an adult, they can't get it off the internet.

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Speaker 2: No, And so this is a real thing going on

1124
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: the internet. Yeah, this is actually happening right now in

1125
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 2: society where she's like, you know, I want compensation, and

1126
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 2: because like somehow the parents got front row tickets to

1127
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 2: some show from their social media account using their kids.

1128
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Speaker 2: It's like Gary Coleman in different strokes. You know, his

1129
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: parents spent all of his money, and when if he

1130
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: turned eighteen, he was broke. He's like, where's my money?

1131
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 2: What you talk about, willis you know, it's like, where's

1132
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 2: my money?

1133
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: And I mean it's hard. You can't.

1134
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 4: But also inversely, you can't regulate ethics. You can't regulate morals.

1135
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 4: It's you know, you can't. You can't tell people they

1136
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 4: have to be good people. You can't make it a law,

1137
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 4: you know. I mean, if so, we wouldn't have any presidents,

1138
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 4: by the way.

1139
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 3: So yeah, really it's it's it's but it's just I

1140
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know what the right answer is.

1141
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 3: But I can tell you that we're not at it

1142
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 3: right now.

1143
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: And you're right, it's like you know, discovering the splitting

1144
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: the atom. And you know, let's go back to that

1145
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 2: parent and the kid, right, they just did it. They

1146
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: were just doing it. They're just here you go, here,

1147
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 2: you go, not realizing that there's going to be ramifications.

1148
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 4: Well and probably with no nefarious intel whatsoever, right right, right?

1149
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 4: You know, and and and and that's the thing is like,

1150
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 4: you know, never never attribute to nefarious behavior. What could

1151
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 4: simply be attributed to two incompetence or complacency, correct, right,

1152
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 4: don't know.

1153
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: Any better, That's what I'm saying. And so but today

1154
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, well, I created this thing that

1155
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 2: flies in the space with the nucleus and it blows up.

1156
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 2: I didn't know any better. It's like you split it,

1157
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 2: and now I'm making a submarine live on a bit underwater.

1158
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 4: What do we want to do that we want to

1159
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 4: go back and find Einstein, like you want to go

1160
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 4: back and find Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer, you know, and his sentence for.

1161
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 6: I mean like, we've got to move forward discovery that

1162
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 6: we got to believe that the center of the human

1163
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 6: existence and the center of the actually one of the

1164
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 6: few things that really makes us different from the animals

1165
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 6: is our ability to be creative, right, And we don't

1166
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 6: we don't want to take that away, but we have

1167
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 6: to impart some kind of responsibility.

1168
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 2: Well, Tesla said it best, Nicola Tesla. I'm gonna loosely

1169
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 2: quote him here. He said, it's not the Someone said

1170
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 2: what do you think about them stealing your ideas? And

1171
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: he's like, well, it's not so much that they're stealing

1172
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: my ideas it's that they're they don't have any of

1173
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 2: their own that scares me. He's like, you know, it's like,

1174
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 2: you know, can you contribute to the pool versus just

1175
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 2: drain the pool? You know, it's a it goes both ways.

1176
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 2: So well, I just want to say we could probably

1177
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,479
Speaker 2: get going on a lot of different conversations, you and I.

1178
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 2: I enjoy talking with you and I and I've had

1179
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 2: you for just about an hour of solid going back

1180
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 2: and forth. And you know, we talked about a subjects

1181
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Warriorethos dot org. You we talked about one

1182
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 2: sixty is sore. We're talking about your hy Pori halo,

1183
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: which is used right now by like space Force. That's

1184
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 2: really cool.

1185
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 4: I mean by by the Army and the Air Force,

1186
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 4: and there's some space war, but primarily Army is my

1187
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 4: big user.

1188
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: Air Force is the Army, and Air Force is space force,

1189
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 2: so it's all army.

1190
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you're saying, I mean I still joke

1191
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 4: and call my my my brothers and sisters an Air.

1192
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 3: Force, Army, Air Corps.

1193
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 4: I wish they would just go back necessarily.

1194
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: I wish why can't they just go back? There was

1195
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 2: a time when they were talking about going back to

1196
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 2: the army just like ten years ago, go back to

1197
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 2: the corps, Army Air Corps.

1198
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 3: Well, now we have Space Force, right, you know, bro.

1199
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Speaker 2: I love that show. It's pretty funny. Steve Carell does

1200
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 2: a good job. Is that you're a general act like it.

1201
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 2: You're right, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna wind out our

1202
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 2: show on some laughs and some good times talking with you.

1203
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 2: Jared Shephard, I appreciate thanks for coming on to Soft

1204
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 2: Rep Radio and talking with me and letting my listeners

1205
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 2: hear just what's going on in the world of it

1206
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: and that there is success after the military in it

1207
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 2: and if the military wants to not just.

1208
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 4: An it and any number of things right like yeah,

1209
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 4: on that side of how like, Look, if you're going

1210
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 4: to transition out of the military, my advice you start

1211
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 4: planning twelve months out. Leverage the programs that are out there,

1212
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 4: use skill bridge, get some time to go and try

1213
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 4: some stuff on. Build upon what you've built upon in

1214
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 4: your past. It's not the end of something in the

1215
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 4: start of something new. It's just the continuation of your

1216
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 4: life and it's the continuation of your experiences that you've

1217
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 4: got to build upon. If you need help, check us

1218
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 4: out at where is Ethos dot org. If you're interested

1219
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 4: in Hypori, whether it's for the for the military, use

1220
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 4: for the government, use for corporate use, healthcare, banking, except

1221
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 4: come check us out at hyph poori dot com. If

1222
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 4: you just want to reach out to me on LinkedIn

1223
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 4: or whatever, you know Jared Shepherd on LinkedIn, I'm pretty

1224
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 4: easy to find or Google me or whatever. And if

1225
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 4: you want some advice or something, Man, I mean I

1226
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 4: got to where I am because people who went out

1227
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 4: of their way.

1228
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 3: I will try to do the same for you.

1229
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Speaker 2: I love that. And I'm the same. And I got

1230
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 2: my name out there, and I'm on Instagram and I'm

1231
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 2: on LinkedIn. I don't really access that too much, but

1232
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: I see it pop up on my feed. So I

1233
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,439
Speaker 2: appreciate you also putting yourself out there to you reached

1234
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 2: out to. If you're someone out there transitioning and you

1235
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: got a year to go or you're six months out,

1236
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 2: look Upwarriorethos dot org, check out Hypori dot com. And

1237
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: if you're in the DoD and you're looking for secure

1238
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 2: things or you're in that department and you need to

1239
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 2: get something to talk to Jared, he's your man, and

1240
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 2: on behalf of myself and Brandon Webb and Anton and

1241
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: Guy and everybody, uh Martin, everybody behind the scenes. Here

1242
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: software that's keeping this going. You buying the merch at

1243
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 2: the shop, checking out the book club, buying the books

1244
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: Steal Fear, Cold Fear, all the books from the authors,

1245
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 2: supporting the guys that are on the show, like Jared.

1246
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: I want to say thank you on behalf of Jared Shepherd.

1247
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: This is rad say of peace.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to self Red Ladi