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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, January twenty eighth, and

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Speaker 1: it has been the most explosive day yet in the

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Speaker 1: so called O Pair a fair trial. Brendan Banfil is

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Speaker 1: on the stand in his own defense and with that,

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Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. This

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Speaker 1: is just rare that you see this, and it's even

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Speaker 1: rare to see it in a homicide. This is a

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Speaker 1: double homicide case. Brendan Banfield is on the stand, yes.

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Speaker 2: And he is accused of killing his wife and a

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Speaker 2: stranger that prosecutors say he lured to his home to

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Speaker 2: try and pin the murder on him for killing his wife.

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Speaker 2: But man to see that kind of defendant take the

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Speaker 2: stand and actually testify to the fair with the old pair,

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Speaker 2: and to testify moment by moment about the day of

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Speaker 2: the murders. It has been jaw dropping.

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Speaker 1: The old pair did testify. I believe it was on

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Speaker 1: day one or two of this trial. So now he

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Speaker 1: is getting his turn. Let's tell you where we are

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Speaker 1: in this case. They had been out missed a day

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Speaker 1: because or two days, two days because of the storm.

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Speaker 1: So they are back now where we are. Sounds like

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Speaker 1: this thing is going to wrap up and the jury

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Speaker 1: could have this trial by Friday. We'll get into the schedule,

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Speaker 1: but Robes, this was almost I was going to call

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Speaker 1: it the most explosive day before we even knew he

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Speaker 1: was going to testify, because there was another witness on

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Speaker 1: the stand giving explosive testimony that through the whole prosecution's

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Speaker 1: case into doubt. We'll get into that next, but first, Robes,

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Speaker 1: just the moment your reaction when the judge started asking

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Speaker 1: Brendan Banfield questions and we knew he was about to testify,

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Speaker 1: but just to she had to go through this process,

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Speaker 1: and it was just something to know what was coming.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my heart was pounding to have her make sure

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Speaker 2: he knew his rights, that he did not have to testify,

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Speaker 2: that the jury would be directed by her to not

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Speaker 2: hold that against him. And so he just kept saying, yes,

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Speaker 2: I know this, and yes I want to testify. And

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Speaker 2: in my thirty years of covering trials, I have never

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Speaker 2: seen a defendant accused of murder take the stand in

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Speaker 2: his own defense.

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Speaker 1: This is a double homicide. So if this has turned

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Speaker 1: into a he said, she said, and so he is

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Speaker 1: getting his story officially on the record. That back and

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Speaker 1: forth goes on, he takes the stand and robes. The

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Speaker 1: prosecution has been really and I wonder how she's going

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Speaker 1: to come across, So we should talk to an expert

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Speaker 1: about it. But she has been interrupting and objecting and objecting,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes objecting in not the kindest of ways. It's

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Speaker 1: her tactic or whatever, but it's I wonder how that

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Speaker 1: has been coming across to this jury.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I would use the word relentless. That's kind of

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Speaker 2: how she comes off, and to the point where it's

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Speaker 2: so disruptive that you can't even follow what the testimony

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Speaker 2: is going to be or should be, or and you

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Speaker 2: start to get frustrated because she keeps interrupting. And even

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Speaker 2: though she made and most of her objections were sustained,

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Speaker 2: they were only a few were overruled, so the judge

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Speaker 2: was validating her. But still it's annoying and it's irritating.

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Speaker 2: So I you know, and her voice, there's just something

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Speaker 2: better than you. So she's got this tone about her

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Speaker 1: That's no judgment on her. It is an observation and

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Speaker 1: if we put ourselves in that jury box that it's

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Speaker 1: unquestionable what you speak of. And I mentioned her not

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Speaker 1: allowing the differenstorian to get into a flow. So I

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Speaker 1: bring that up because of Even when Brendan Banfil first

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Speaker 1: like show me this picture, where were you guys at

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Speaker 1: these happy things? The attorney was still kind of interrupting.

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Speaker 2: Like objection, foundation, where are we going?

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Speaker 1: I don't know the line? And she objected. She got

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Speaker 1: up once and started talking, and the judge said, so

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Speaker 1: you have an objection. Never mind Right, she was interrupting everything.

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Speaker 1: But was it effective hearing him talk about his wife

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Speaker 2: Yes, So I have to say this. My overall impression

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Speaker 2: of him from the beginning when he started talking was Wow.

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Speaker 2: He seems genuine. And that's either incredible or a little scary.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure which it is, but listening to him talk,

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Speaker 2: He's known this his wife since they were in college.

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Speaker 2: They've spent eighteen years aget together. He's very honest about affairs.

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Speaker 2: Just everything he was saying and talking about his relationship

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Speaker 2: and it just seemed genuine. What were your impressions?

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Speaker 1: It came off. It just came off well. We talked

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Speaker 1: about if this comes down to it, he said, she said,

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Speaker 1: and if even if you don't know what to do

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Speaker 1: at this point is just his attorney, But at this

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Speaker 2: He's not. And we were learning things about his relationship

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Speaker 2: with Christine, his wife, and his daughter Valerie, and pretty quickly,

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Speaker 2: even after establishing that, we got started into hearing how

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Speaker 2: the two went from just being a boss and an

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Speaker 1: I didn't get this really, it seemed like they went

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Speaker 1: Was there some back and forth, But the story goes

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Speaker 1: he was just in the kitchen cooking one night. She's

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Speaker 1: upstairs texting him. He said, why don't you come down

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Speaker 1: and talk? And one thing leads to another.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so, and what I didn't realize is Christine and

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Speaker 2: Valerie were actually visiting relatives in New York, so it

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Speaker 2: So she comes down. They talked for an hour and

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Speaker 2: on dating apps and to date and yeah, all of

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Speaker 2: and he said, the master bedroom is in one direction

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Speaker 2: and her bedroom was in the other, and she asked

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Speaker 2: did not stop her advances.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me stop there. I was about to say

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Speaker 1: something else, did it? I mean he didn't go too

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Speaker 1: that she was the one that made the first movie?

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: And then it got weird, What was this about the

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Speaker 1: that night?

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Speaker 2: How was that night when they were in the kitchen talking.

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Speaker 2: That was their conversation. She was complaining about how hard

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Speaker 2: it was to be on dating apps. But then at

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Speaker 2: one point he testified. She was scrolling through the matches

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Speaker 2: she had and she said, isn't it funny? Look, they're

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Speaker 2: all like you. And he said their names were Brandon, Brendan,

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Speaker 2: and Brennan, like versions of his name. That was a

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Speaker 2: weird You looked at me, You're like what. I don't

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Speaker 2: know why that was relevant, but I guess they were

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Speaker 2: just trying to build this notion that maybe she was

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Speaker 2: doing it on purpose to flirt with him in the kitchen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but yeah, that was an odd thing. But to you, again,

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Speaker 1: I didn't understand a setup. What happened. You will just start,

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Speaker 1: you will have nothing but a purely professional relationship, and

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Speaker 1: then one night she decides the text, comes downstairs, tells

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Speaker 1: you're all in a relationship.

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Speaker 2: That's what it seemed to be, or at least according

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Speaker 2: to him, that is what happened. Was maybe the first

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Speaker 2: time Christine and Valerie were both out of the house.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it was the first time they were alone, because

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Speaker 2: she started working there in October of twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 2: and he says, this happened in August of twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: And that's really really important because then he's able to

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Speaker 2: address very effectively, in my opinion, this notion that, really,

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Speaker 2: are you serious? So I'm in a relationship? He said,

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Speaker 2: And by the way he said, he's set it up

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Speaker 2: from the beginning that this was just an affair, that

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Speaker 2: he loved his wife, he was going to stay with

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Speaker 2: Christine had had affairs, and that they were you know,

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Speaker 2: that they had made it through and this was just

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Speaker 2: going to be an affair.

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Speaker 1: Well, that I think might have been the one of

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Speaker 1: the most effective lines for me today, at least narratives

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Speaker 1: I should say. To hear that the two of them

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Speaker 1: had worked through affairs set off a question of well,

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Speaker 1: why was this one so special that in six weeks

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Speaker 1: you want to kill your wife?

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Speaker 2: Yes, and that is exactly what he said. He said,

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Speaker 2: I think it's an absurd line of questioning for something

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Speaker 2: that is not serious. That a plan was made to

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Speaker 2: get rid of my wife, he said. I was with

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Speaker 2: her for six to eight weeks, and why would that

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Speaker 2: run off into the sunset with you. That resonated.

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Speaker 1: It took off a lot of motive, if you will,

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Speaker 1: because Robes is he worried about his wife finding out.

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Speaker 1: She's gonna say, oh you're at it again, versus oh

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Speaker 1: my god, my whole life is going to blow up.

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Speaker 1: He would think he could survive another. Yes, that was effect.

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Speaker 2: It was effective. He said that Christine knew about two

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Speaker 2: and that he knew about her affairs, and he explained

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Speaker 2: how they worked in jobs where they had to be

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Speaker 2: gone for long periods of time, and it's just what happened.

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Speaker 2: But they went to marriage counseling. So yes, it sounds

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Speaker 2: like him having an affair wouldn't be marriage ending. So

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Speaker 2: that takes away some of that issue, that or motive

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Speaker 2: that you would think, well, yes, she's going to divorce

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Speaker 2: me and then I'll lose my daughter.

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Speaker 1: And so you're telling me he is so in love

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Speaker 1: in six weeks with the twenty one year old o

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Speaker 1: pair that he hatches a master plan to kill his wife.

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Speaker 2: And he said to that that is quote from him

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Speaker 2: that is absolutely crazy. And when he said that is

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Speaker 2: absolutely crazy the way he set it up, I hadn't

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Speaker 2: thought about it. I didn't know that he had had

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Speaker 2: prior affair, isn't it so? And I didn't know that

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Speaker 2: they had only been in a sexual relationship for less

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Speaker 1: So again the suggestion is that he was talking about marriage,

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Speaker 1: their future with the O pair, how the O pair

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Speaker 1: was going to be the new mommy and everything was

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Speaker 1: going to be great, and six weeks and in order

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Speaker 1: for the planned to happen after six weeks, I'm so

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Speaker 1: sure that I am going to do all of this

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Speaker 1: stuff that if you're talking about reasonable doubt and just

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Speaker 1: a reasonable person, that just sounds like a like far fetched.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I was possible. As soon as he said it,

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Speaker 2: I thought, damn, I get that. That makes sense. And

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Speaker 2: I think we have heard from legal minds, people who

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Speaker 2: know more about juries than we do, that when things

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Speaker 2: just make sense juries that that's what they bite on.

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Speaker 2: When things don't make sense, you're like, huh. But when

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Speaker 2: someone says something like he did today that is so impactful.

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Speaker 1: Why this is a problem. You're telling me you're going

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Speaker 1: He cared about his job. No way, that's a tough

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Speaker 1: That's their story. Fine, But he even had answers for yeah,

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Speaker 2: And while he's saying all these things, he's not, like

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Speaker 2: I said, he's not overacting. He's not. He doesn't seem first,

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Speaker 3: Stay here, all right?

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Speaker 1: We continue here on Amy and TJ hopping on because

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Speaker 1: been saying they took the laptop, they snuck away with

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. When Brendan said this, I looked at

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Speaker 2: just said, duh, that's what everybody does. They charge their

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's possible.

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Speaker 2: that makes a lot of sense. He also said there's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was huge. I don't even know how to

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Speaker 2: That was believable to me. I don't know how to

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Speaker 1: I Oh, wow, do you know you don't know how

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Speaker 2: Oh? You do?

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Speaker 1: You look concerned?

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Speaker 2: I'm not, no, but I actually don't know because I'm

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Speaker 2: just like, hey, can I have your finger? And then

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Speaker 1: He I think most couples. Does that make sense that

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, And he was saying, it's like I have

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Speaker 1: So, like I said, so he's on the stand now,

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Speaker 2: There's a lot more to get to because, my goodness,

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Speaker 2: now we are just at We left off with him

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Speaker 2: She was supposed to be going to the zoo, and he,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the prosecution has planned tomorrow. What

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Speaker 2: But that means that are you do you believe then

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Speaker 1: Or do they? I don't know, dear, I don't know

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Speaker 1: This forensics guy has been up there, digital forensics guy

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Speaker 2: a respected digital forensics guy who worked for the Fairfax

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Speaker 1: To hear that example after example after example, But folks

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