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Speaker 2: It's me Joey b Jo Pi's a here with me

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Speaker 2: of Courses, de Bro, Derek Brown, the Kinga Bros. And

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Speaker 2: mister Big Pot Energy Andrew Erickson and today on the tailgate.

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Speaker 1: We we're gonna have some fun. We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 2: Maybe that should have gotten some rings at one point.

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Speaker 1: That we could give a ring to. Maybe if we could,

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Speaker 1: we would. Who are those guys.

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Speaker 2: all kinds of autograph things. Deebro ericson, let's get the

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Speaker 2: headlines before we get into the meat and potatoes of

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Speaker 2: the show. Here, Gino Smith was being investigated for allegations

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Speaker 2: of assault Andrew Erickson.

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Speaker 1: Does this make you still feel good about Gino Smith?

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious.

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Speaker 3: No, these are not the headlines I want. My dark horse,

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Speaker 3: not my dark horse, MVP candidate made my dark horse

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Speaker 3: second quarterback in a superflex format type of target. Not

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Speaker 3: what I want to see from the Jets quarterback.

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Speaker 1: No, No, certainly not good. Now.

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Speaker 2: Again, a lot of the details are muddy, as they

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Speaker 2: always seem to be debro for all these situations. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, DV scandal, it would be great.

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Speaker 1: I'd love that.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to see that Smith did sign a one

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Speaker 2: year contract with the Jets. So again, this is not

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Speaker 2: the buzz you want, especially returning to New York City,

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Speaker 2: the media hub of all media hubs.

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Speaker 1: So Deebro.

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Speaker 2: This seems like not a great time for this kind

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Speaker 2: of issue. It's never a good time for this issue,

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Speaker 2: but especially for Geno Smith trying to get back in

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Speaker 2: say the fan base that he had a bad parting

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Speaker 2: of ways, this is not the best foot.

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Speaker 1: To start on. No, it's definitely not.

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Speaker 4: And you want to talk about just even after this

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Speaker 4: the investigations going to stop. So do we see an

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Speaker 4: eventual suspension coming. And it's not like the other part

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Speaker 4: it's like this gives you some type of glance or

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Speaker 4: looking glass of like Gino Smith's home life. It's like

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Speaker 4: the drama lights stop with the headlines, but does the

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Speaker 1: And and like, what's the point? Carries over?

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Speaker 4: It carries over because it's like your home life bleeds

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Speaker 2: Mean, look at Andrew all the chaos of the new dog.

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Speaker 2: Look at what's happened to him.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, war wounds. I mean, he's bleeding out before shows.

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Speaker 1: It's it's rough man's rough existence.

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Speaker 3: All right? That the article that you wrote, hero.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna work. That I spent all that time reading

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Speaker 4: Actually that prospect profile, baby, it's gonna age.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's all I could say to be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: I just said I did read it as a bit

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Speaker 1: I didn't read.

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Speaker 1: It's fine. You can make Andrew feel better. I know

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Speaker 1: So it's okay. There Can we talk.

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Speaker 4: About Can we talk about that was the biggest like

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Speaker 4: NFL coming from the top rope moment, Like they just

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Speaker 4: Felt like there was this air of like and you

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Speaker 4: you tried to run from your problems. No, young sir,

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Speaker 4: you have to eventually turn around and take accountability for

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Speaker 4: your crappy actions over multiple years. And they even threw

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Speaker 4: in the part of did you actually have criminal actions?

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Speaker 4: Could you be prosecuted about state regulations?

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Speaker 1: About all of this? It was savage, dude ericson.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of interesting too, that the NFL just decides

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Speaker 2: willy nilly if they're going to have a supplemental draft

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Speaker 2: or not. I didn't realize that they had that power.

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Speaker 2: I thought there just wasn't. Yeah, that was my bad.

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Speaker 2: You knows. It's not something I usually pay attention to.

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Speaker 2: But I'm like, so the NFL could just wave their

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Speaker 2: to have a supplemental draft this year. Screw you, uh,

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Speaker 2: and Andrew. It's all about the integrity of the game.

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Speaker 2: Let's not forget. It's not about the integrity and the players.

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Speaker 2: It's about the integrity.

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Speaker 4: I don't talk about the slippery slope of NFL morality

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Speaker 4: when they choose to care about humans.

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Speaker 2: But again, they care about the integrity of the game,

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Speaker 2: not the integrity.

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Speaker 4: That they also care about the integrity of their wallet

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Speaker 1: That's what they're also safeguarding.

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Speaker 2: All true, Andrew, what are your thoughts on the Soresby thing?

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Speaker 2: I don't even don't have to call it at this book.

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Speaker 3: A lot of wasted airtime on Brandon Soresby this last week,

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Speaker 3: a lot of that. I mean, it was the number

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Speaker 3: one thing on ESPN about the gym. Look, Brendan Soresby.

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Speaker 3: Does he have the same ceiling as Ty Simpson or

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Speaker 3: Fernando Mendoza? And all for not because he's not.

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Speaker 1: Even Smith say about him? What did he say? Oh, dear,

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: He was so now he's got the look of a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I'll take it is.

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Speaker 2: This is a young man who's got all sorts of issues.

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Speaker 2: He's got to set out for himself. He's got to

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Speaker 2: figure out what is wrong. He's got to do the

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Speaker 2: time before he can play in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Serious step a voice.

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Speaker 3: When's the Canadian When he gets slow Canadian football?

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Speaker 1: Drap?

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Speaker 3: Can you play Anadian football?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: like I don't know it, I bet you and I

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Speaker 4: bet you. He spends the whole year like the most

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Speaker 4: comical but the most comical point about all this is,

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Speaker 4: did y'all see the rebuttal from his lawyer.

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Speaker 1: His counsel was like, we're gonna we're gonna sue and

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Speaker 1: we're this is a violation of the cb A, the.

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Speaker 4: CBA that you do not belong to because you're not

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Speaker 4: an NFL player.

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Speaker 1: You're not under that, you're not an NFL player.

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Speaker 2: Like he's onto the lawyers on rough Riders. That's where

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Speaker 2: he's gonna end up. Great, yeah, yeah, all right, Jersey baby,

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Speaker 2: A little little lightning round all right, and that we'll

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Speaker 2: get to the dark horse MVP stuff. Lightning round about

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Speaker 2: some camp bus. I want you to tell me for

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Speaker 2: buying or selling it. You can give me like a

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Speaker 2: ten second spiel.

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Speaker 1: No, more. All right, less is.

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Speaker 3: More here on the program today, Lightning Round.

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Speaker 1: Yes, just buy. I mean I want you to.

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Speaker 2: If you have like one feeling about it, you could

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Speaker 2: share a feeling. I just don't want to like. I

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Speaker 2: want you to be in your feelings. I think that's fair. No,

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Speaker 2: all right, sure, I like feelings.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the first one here.

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Speaker 2: This is some ESPN's Daniel Oh yeah, Fuzzy, which is

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Speaker 2: a fun name.

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Speaker 1: I thought Piece of Pe was fun. Actually you actually

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Speaker 1: landed that plane, couldn't I did you know what that?

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much?

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Speaker 2: All right, he says, uh No, Cleveland wide out has

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Speaker 2: was been targeted more than Isaiah Bond of this spring ericson,

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Speaker 2: are you buying or selling this?

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Speaker 1: Camp buzz out of Cleveland selling easy? Easy? I assume

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Speaker 1: from your laughter you're selling this deep Yeah, I'm selling

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Speaker 1: this like this? Why is that this hard to believe?

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Bond was a big college wide.

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Speaker 4: Receiver, dude, Casey Concepcion and Denzel Boston. This is just clickbait,

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Speaker 4: crap fodder.

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Speaker 1: Ay.

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Speaker 2: I already know the answer to this one, but I

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Speaker 2: gonna ask it anyway. ESPN's Marcel Louise Jacques why does everybody.

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Speaker 1: ESPN festive name bro? This is some fun stuff.

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Speaker 2: Louise Jacques is reporting that Greg Dulcic was one of

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Speaker 2: the primary targets for Malik Willis in spring practices. Debro,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you first because I already know Andrew's answer.

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Speaker 2: Are you buying or selling this?

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Speaker 1: Buzz?

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Speaker 4: You should know my answer too, Bubba Greg d Yeah, baby,

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Speaker 4: I'm buying this definitely.

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna lead the team.

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Speaker 4: In targets this year, and I don't think that's a

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Speaker 4: hot take, Dude. I'm with Andrew the entire like, with

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Speaker 4: all of this man like he's going to be their

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Speaker 4: leading receiver. He's going I think he's gonna smash this

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Speaker 4: year and get himself a decent free agent contract too.

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Speaker 2: Ericson, did your Dulcage jersey come in yet or is

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Speaker 2: it still on back order from finill.

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Speaker 3: On back order? Have not received it yet. But if

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Speaker 3: I keep your growing my hair out, it's gonna look

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Speaker 3: pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, you could be Dulces for Halloween by October?

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Speaker 4: Are you gonna keep growing your hair out? By the way,

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Speaker 4: are we gonna get like Ericson with like a little.

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Speaker 1: Part? Does it never like start to like grown.

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Speaker 3: I mean I was silent so that it goes up

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Speaker 2: But see, I always wanted to grow my hair down

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Speaker 2: when I had hair, But my hair always grew up

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Speaker 2: like kidn't play. It was always much more like a

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Speaker 3: I will buy it with the caveat that it can't

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Speaker 1: For his reports. So I will I will, I will

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Speaker 2: Who knows said he expects Wandell Robinson to lead the

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Speaker 4: I just don't think Wandel is also going to get

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I just googled Nick Arvin. By

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, like I'm just saying, I think the Nick

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Speaker 2: he's got the ear of the organization here. He knows

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Speaker 2: Titans are using a more balanced committee approach in the

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Speaker 3: I'm not really high on Tony Pollard. I think that

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's twenty nine years old, He's seen a

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Speaker 2: So I didn't know where you were going with that.

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Speaker 2: He's seen a lot of a lot of dark things.

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Speaker 3: He's been has been pretty grand the last couple of seasons.

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Speaker 1: He's seen a lot of construction.

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Speaker 4: Nick Garvin's got some impressive lettuce man shout out to

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Speaker 4: swat Nick.

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Speaker 1: Arvin on the show. He seems like a guy that

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Speaker 4: We still yes, I do disagree with his more balanced

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Speaker 4: and years and years to Peyton Hills, to Saquon Barkley,

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Speaker 4: what Brian da Ball has done as an OC and

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Speaker 2: One more here for you, so let's talk about this

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Speaker 2: one here, last one Colts wide receiver. This is from

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Speaker 2: Andrew Moore, also with a normal name of Sports Illustrated

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Speaker 2: h alec Hears boring names, is expected to receive close

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Speaker 2: gonna see one hundred and sixty plus target one hundred

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Speaker 1: Is that happening? De bro Hell?

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Speaker 4: Should be doing Tennessee Titans content honestly like him and

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Speaker 4: Nick Arvin should probably switch. Uh, so he gets into

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Speaker 1: He could be like an assistant to the assistant for sure.

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Speaker 4: This is this is kind of crazy, Like one, how

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Speaker 4: And if he doesn't sit a season like out there,

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Speaker 4: he's not First of all, he's not drawing one hundred

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Speaker 4: Like that's not gonna happen. Second of all, I don't

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Speaker 4: then third, like we also have to see Alec Pierce

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Speaker 4: One for an NFL offense, too many ifs.

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Speaker 1: I I agree with Derek Begrudgulally Andrew, what do you.

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Speaker 1: I was going to look that up.

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Speaker 2: That was it also sounded absurd to me for that notion,

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Speaker 3: That's that's kind of where I'm just getting. Yeah, Jamar

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Speaker 4: Ye here's your list of sayers over one hundred and

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Speaker 4: sixty last year, JS and Puka, Trey McBrien. I'm on

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Speaker 3: I'll buy that, but one hundred and sixty I would

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 3: to the Boston Patriots brand. And I forgive grown Kowski

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Speaker 3: for going to the Buccaneers win a super but Brady,

440
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Speaker 3: you know, still a little bit on my.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, lord who Tom Brady deserved to

442
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Speaker 4: go and do whatever he wanted.

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Speaker 1: They didn't want him anymore. I'm the biggest fashion eventually

444
00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,600
Speaker 1: comes over that I was rooting for him.

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Speaker 4: It's good for you, Tom, and for everybody that's that's

446
00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,320
Speaker 4: been betting the uh the line of one Tom Brady

447
00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,399
Speaker 4: or Patriots reference on every single show.

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Speaker 1: This hit again, So you're welcome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I can't argue against that. Deep bro,

450
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Speaker 2: you seem like a killed kind of god.

451
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Speaker 1: You want a kilt?

452
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Speaker 4: I do not own a kilt, but I'm not against

453
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Speaker 4: a kilt. I would I would definitely rock a kilt.

454
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Speaker 4: I think conditioning why not.

455
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Speaker 2: And I think during the season we all wear kilts.

456
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Speaker 4: Now, I know you can't see them, but I think

457
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Speaker 4: you'll feel that essence state in the show.

458
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Speaker 3: I'm going to miss that episode.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I think you're wrong. I think you're contractually obligated

460
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Speaker 2: to do that.

461
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Speaker 4: So maybe we should wear kilts. Uh, well, we're all

462
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Speaker 4: together at the expo.

463
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Speaker 2: O expo kilts at the expo now, we're cooking there,

464
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Speaker 2: we go exadly.

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Speaker 1: Nobody wants to see that, though I disagree. I just

466
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Speaker 1: hope I left my kelt at home.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, guys, it's been ninety five since Joey P's legs

468
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:57,400
Speaker 4: have seen that much sun.

469
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Speaker 2: My legs are my best feature and they only go

470
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Speaker 2: out like three months out of the year. I got

471
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Speaker 2: great calves. It's it's literally the best feature.

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Speaker 3: Guys out baby, you.

473
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Speaker 1: Know we're a calf guy.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the dark horse MVP candidates year.

475
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Speaker 2: These are all guys outside of the top range of MVP.

476
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Speaker 2: Some guys have won MVP before. I don't know if

477
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Speaker 2: you've got specific favorites. If you want me to go

478
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Speaker 2: one by one here and make an argument for him,

479
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Speaker 2: let's do this, Andrew, out of all the dark horse guys,

480
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Speaker 2: who's the guy for you that's your absolute favorite? And

481
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Speaker 2: then maybe we'll banter about some other guys after Debro

482
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Speaker 2: gives his So.

483
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Speaker 3: I talked about this player on our prediction show last week,

484
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Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence. He's one of my favorite bets here listed

485
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Speaker 3: here at sixteen to one. I outlined it. So go

486
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Speaker 3: listen to that all episode of the Tailgate. But kind

487
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Speaker 3: of the long story short is, I believe that the

488
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Speaker 3: Jaguars were one of the most complete teams last year.

489
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Speaker 3: If they can somehow carry over what they did in

490
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Speaker 3: the second half, Trevor Lawrence really takes off in this

491
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Speaker 3: Leam Cohn offense. Look, we've seen a quarterback in this

492
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Speaker 3: offense throw for over forty touchdowns. Baker Mayfield did that

493
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four that tied for second most in

494
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Speaker 3: the NFL, and last year, Trevor Lawrence combined for thirty

495
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 3: eight total touchdowns, trailing only Josh Allen and Matthew Stafford,

496
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Speaker 3: two guys that were at the top of the MVP race.

497
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 3: Drake May second the MVP. He had thirty five touchdowns

498
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Speaker 3: last year. So if there really is no one particular

499
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Speaker 3: standout in this offense, again, there's a lot of moles

500
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 3: defeat in Jacksonville. We don't know how the backfit's going

501
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 3: to necessarily shake out. But if this offense cooks, it's

502
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Speaker 3: top five. It's Trevor Lawrence is going to get all

503
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Speaker 3: the credit and Liam Cohen like this unit if they

504
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Speaker 3: really take off. So I do think that at the odds,

505
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Speaker 3: I think that Trevor Lawrence also look at his age,

506
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Speaker 3: twenty seven years old, still super young, and this is

507
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Speaker 3: traditionally the this is traditionally when quarterbacks hit their peak.

508
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Speaker 3: So this is something I pulled when I was talking

509
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Speaker 3: about the MVP odds on the Betting Pro Show last week.

510
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Speaker 3: The average age of a first time winning MVP quarterback

511
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Speaker 3: twenty seven years old in two thousand. Can you guys

512
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Speaker 3: name the other five quarterbacks will be twenty seven this season?

513
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Speaker 3: Or four quarterbacks? Excuse me, you'll be shocked there, No,

514
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Speaker 3: he is not. Oh four other ones, four other ones,

515
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Speaker 3: including Sir Trevor Waitz is the fifth.

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Speaker 1: It's Brock party in there.

517
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Speaker 3: Yes, Rock Perty's one.

518
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Speaker 1: All right, that's one of my favorites.

519
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Speaker 4: We'll get to him him.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say it can't be is Justin Herbert.

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Speaker 3: Nope, he's twenty eight older. Oh okay, but in that

522
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Speaker 3: same conversation, though not twenty seven.

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Speaker 4: Who are the other guys because I feel like we're

524
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Speaker 4: gonna flail at this, Uh, Tyler Murray.

525
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Speaker 3: Nope, so they're probably gonna shock you. It's Bonicks, Tyler Shuck,

526
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Speaker 3: and Lake Willis.

527
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Speaker 4: Oh, we're gonna talk about the guys.

528
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Speaker 3: Were in college for and that's why they're they're coming out.

529
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Speaker 2: So yeah, they're doctorates. So that's how long they were

530
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Speaker 2: in college for PhDs for Bonnicks.

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Speaker 1: And Tyler Shuck.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, that's that's a good stat That was fun

533
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 2: right there, Deebro. Obviously it's more of a quarterback award,

534
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Speaker 2: So we'll get some non quarterbacks because it's just a

535
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Speaker 2: fun discussion, even though they have no chance. So give

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Speaker 2: me another Well they don't, Andrew.

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Speaker 3: Well, then.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to start that out with my framing of

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Speaker 4: this because I wanted to throw toss that. So since

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Speaker 4: twenty thirteen, a quarterback has won the MVP Award in

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Speaker 4: every single year and I don't think that stops.

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Speaker 1: This is a quarterback award. That's where I wanted to

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Speaker 1: start out.

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Speaker 2: My bro was twenty twelve. It was Adrian Peterson years ago.

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Speaker 1: If you go back.

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Speaker 4: Further than that, Ladamian Thomlinson was there burying Shawn Alexander,

547
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 4: a bunch of Shawnings and Shawn Alexander back to back years,

548
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 4: and then it was Brady Manning, Manning, Brady Rogers, then Peterson,

549
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 4: then back to Manning Rogers, and then they then things

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Speaker 4: got weird with Cam Newton and Matt Ryan for a

551
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Speaker 4: couple of years there. I think you've seen outlier seasons

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Speaker 4: from running backs over the last like five to ten

553
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Speaker 4: years whatever. If you want to even go back to

554
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Speaker 4: that sample size that I've talked about since twenty thirteen,

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00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 4: where running backs have done incredibly special things to get

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Speaker 4: in the conversation this award, or they should have won

557
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 4: the award, or what however you want to frame that

558
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 4: free has not happened, and I don't think it will happen.

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00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 4: Exactly Sakuan's big year and it has not happened. So

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Speaker 4: I do not If you bet anything but a quarterback

561
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Speaker 4: for this, you are burning your money. So I want

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Speaker 4: to frame it that way, but I want to start

563
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Speaker 4: then your money. I feel like, no, I'm not gonna

564
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 4: name any but if I was gonna burn my money,

565
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 4: we'll do that next.

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Speaker 1: If you were going to burn your money.

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Speaker 4: If you were gonna burn we could play that game.

568
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Speaker 4: But I want to start off the conversation with one

569
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Speaker 4: of the guys near the top of the board here

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Speaker 4: with Dak Prescott, because also in this entire sample of

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Speaker 4: going back to since twenty thirteen, twelve of those thirteen

572
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Speaker 4: individual QB seasons, their teams won at least twelve or

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Speaker 4: more games. The only outlier of that was Matt Ryan

574
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Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen with the Falcons that won eleven games.

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Speaker 4: That was the only team to fail to win twelve games.

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Speaker 4: So to me, it's not only being a quarterback playing

577
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 4: extremely good putting up the numbers. The team's success also

578
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 4: has to correlate with this and all the improvements that

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Speaker 4: the Dallas Cowboys made this offseason. I think they're a

580
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 4: really good bet here with Dak Prescott at plus fourteen hundred,

581
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Speaker 4: that he could be one of these dark horse guys

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Speaker 4: looking at schedule, looking at just the popularity of the

583
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Speaker 4: Dallas Cowboys. If he has a really good season, then

584
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 4: you could see a lot of voters in the mass

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Speaker 4: media get behind this.

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Speaker 1: And you talked about Steven A.

587
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Speaker 4: Smith, who's going to be the loudest freaking guy at

588
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Speaker 4: the top of the mount and being like.

589
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Speaker 1: Damn Dallas Cowboys and Dak Prescott blah blah blah.

590
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Speaker 4: That's why I think he's a good bet to start

591
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 4: off this conversation of guys that I like here.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 2: I actually I think both guys are good dark horses,

594
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: both quarterbacks fourteen hundred plus sixteen hundred, both of these

595
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Speaker 2: guys like I like these two. Ericsson's case for t Law,

596
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Speaker 2: I like your case for Prescott, to be honest, like

597
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Speaker 2: looking around to it is a very tough l for the.

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Speaker 1: Other guys outside of here.

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00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 2: And by the way, on the Quarterback Show, you know

600
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: we're in the comments of the YouTube, I see how

601
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: much you took a lot of offense. Those of you

602
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 2: who enjoyed the show to the Sam Donald Rock Party conversation.

603
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 4: We see you as they should because you hear you

604
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 4: really nasty about it.

605
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 5: But it was.

606
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 2: Equally everybody crapping on the two of you for elevating

607
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 2: Sam Donald to franchise quarterback status.

608
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: So we all took some fans.

609
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Speaker 4: Get in the comments of that episode, let them know,

610
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Speaker 4: let them know, Stan for you quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Outside of those guys, like I mean, the Patrick mahomes is.

612
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to call him a dark horse candidate,

613
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 2: but I mean, for some reason, right, but for some

614
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 2: reason he came back healthy and they won that division

615
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: when they weren't supposed to that year. That would garner

616
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Speaker 2: a lot of publicity. I don't think that's gonna happen,

617
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna go that round. Caleb Williams is

618
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 2: in a place right now where he's getting a lot

619
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Speaker 2: of media attention. Remember this is a media award at

620
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Speaker 2: the end of the day. If the Bear had a stunning,

621
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: you know, ran the table in the division kind of thing,

622
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 2: I could see that happening for him. But I don't

623
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: see them running the table. This division is too competitive,

624
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: so I can't go there. So this is like one

625
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: of those process of elimination things. The one guy that

626
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: I could see who statistically put up a very good season,

627
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 2: who is playing for a contract, who is kind of

628
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 2: at a big fork in the road moment, here and

629
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Speaker 2: if they put together a good season, could easily win

630
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 2: their division and be in the playoffs. I think Baker

631
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: Mayfield is that guy at plus fifty five hundred, that

632
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: dark horse. I mean, that is the darkest of dark

633
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: horses here. He's got the talent around him to do it.

634
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: He certainly got the hey, it's it's.

635
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,479
Speaker 1: Now or never kind of feeling.

636
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: I do anticipate them signing him before the season starts.

637
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 2: I would be shocked if they did not. But if

638
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: they don't and they end up going out there to

639
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: this like season where it's not that far moved from

640
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 2: being close to five thousand yards, we know we could

641
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: throw for forty touchdowns, so statistically it's not out of

642
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: the Roman possibility. It's harder without Mike Evans. But you

643
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 2: do a booka there, you do have Godwin there, you

644
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 2: do have McMillan there, You've got some talent around him.

645
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: I think it would be an interesting one. I don't

646
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: think he can win it, but I also don't think

647
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: the Goffs and bon Nixes or c. J. Strouds of

648
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: the world can either. Now, if we had to pick

649
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 2: a non quarterback.

650
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: All right, and.

651
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 3: I want to stick a quarterback.

652
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: I want to talk. I've got three other names. It's

653
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: a dark horse candidate, not dark horses.

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00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 4: There are dark horses. I'm sorry if you don't like that,

655
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 4: but that's a fact. All right, Andrew, since it's really

656
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 4: your turn, you.

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00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: Know you go?

658
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Speaker 2: Are you all right? We'll talk about bon next then?

659
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Speaker 4: Well, well, first of all, I agree with you about

660
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield not being on the list because as a

661
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 4: fan base, the Buccaneers can't cheer for Tess Johnson to

662
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 4: be m v P and Baker Mayfield at the same time.

663
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Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way.

664
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Speaker 2: But no, Baker Mayfield is a very very visible guy

665
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: in the media. He's on commercials. He's a household name.

666
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: That's something you really need working in your favor.

667
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: Kayleb.

668
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: Williams is just getting there. Baker Midfield's already established there.

669
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: He's the All State commercial guy. He's in the stadium

670
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: by himself getting everybody hot dogs whatever. People know who

671
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: he is right like that. It's a media award. I'll

672
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: say it over and over again because that's what it is.

673
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: And it needs a good story, and Baker Mayfield would

674
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: be a good story. And I could see Bonnicks being

675
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: a good story if Diver's dominant this year.

676
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 4: That's exactly right. Like, you look at the build of

677
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 4: this roster, they're one of the best rosters in the

678
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 4: entire NFL. They just did what the Patriots did, what

679
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 4: other teams have done, and adding a truly elite wide

680
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 4: receiver to the equation. Here, can that help elevate Bonix's game.

681
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 4: You want to talk about again, the media narrative around it,

682
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 4: will have the wins, will have the playoff team, all

683
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 4: of the super Bowl stuff from last year, the super

684
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 4: Bowl charge for bo Nicks when he got hurt last year,

685
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 4: and he's the only reason that injury was why they

686
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 4: didn't go to the super Bowl this year. Sean Payton

687
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 4: cementing his legacy bo Nicks silencing all the doubters of

688
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 4: the fact that he.

689
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: Wasn't a good prospect.

690
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 4: I'll only l with that He's gonna have the passing

691
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 4: volume to put up the really like the counting stats

692
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 4: that he'll need to be in that conversation. He's in

693
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 4: a mass media market, and again we want to talk

694
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 4: talk about age narratives. He's the perfect age to win

695
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 4: this ward. Like a lot of things line up for

696
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 4: Bo Nicks at plus thirty five hundred that I'm actually

697
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 4: kind of surprised that he's not in that kind of

698
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 4: Brock party Sam Darnold Jalen Hurts t here like at

699
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,719
Speaker 4: the back end of like in the two thousands, because

700
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 4: he's also on a team that you look at projected

701
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 4: win totals, like the Broncos are going to be up

702
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 4: there and they're gonna win and probably sniff at twelve

703
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 4: or thirteen wins this year.

704
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: Bonnix is a fantastic.

705
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: Bed ericson thoughts on Bnix or anybody else here in

706
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: this mix.

707
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: I like the Baker Mayfield call that you made. I

708
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: like the Bonnicks call that you made the direction I'm going,

709
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 3: or Debro made the direction I'm going. Is actually with

710
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 3: the c J. Stroud at fifty two one, because he,

711
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: let's say, he doesn't completely crap all over himself in

712
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 3: these playoff games. There's no way these Odds lists at

713
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: fifty to one just how bad he played the five

714
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: the Steelers. Yes, I totally get that, but I don't

715
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 3: want to like just completely forget about c J. Stroud

716
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 3: is I think still a good quarterback and not completely

717
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: just rewrite his entire projection of Okay, he sucks now

718
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 3: because he crapped all the bed against the Patriots and

719
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 3: fumbled five times against Pittsburgh Steelers in a game that

720
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: they actually won. Now, the last eight games he played

721
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 3: the Texans went seven to one before they end up

722
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: losing against the Patriots. You look at what he's won

723
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: every single year. He's won at least nine games every

724
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: single year of his career with the Texans twenty three

725
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 3: and fourteen over his last thirty eight games, sixty one

726
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: percent win rate. That's good for ten and a half

727
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 3: wins over a seventeen game seasons. So we're talking about okay,

728
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: but the Texans gonna win enough games potential? Yeah, you

729
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: look at their win total, you look at their defense. Okay,

730
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 3: this team's going to be in contention. The Texans started

731
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 3: Owen three last year. People forget that Owen three, and

732
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 3: they dug themselves out an own three hole, ended up

733
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 3: winning and out and getting into the postseason. Now, a

734
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 3: lot of that to do with the defense. But what

735
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 3: if Nico Collins is healthy. You have guys taking steps

736
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: forward with Jalen Noel and Jayden Higgins. Those aren't rookies anymore,

737
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: and they were not on They were on training wheels

738
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: all last year. Offensive line, if it can be healthy,

739
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: if he has a run game for the first time,

740
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: c J. Stroud showed his rookie year like, hey, this

741
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 3: guy can be an assassin as a pocket passer. And

742
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: he was running more to start the year last season.

743
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: So if the Texans win enough games c J Stroud again,

744
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: people are burying c J.

745
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: Stroud.

746
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 3: And I was one of those people, really skeptical going

747
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 3: into the season because the last thing you remember is

748
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: him just being so horrible against the Patriots. First two games,

749
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,959
Speaker 3: the Texans play Bill's Bengals, if they start out two

750
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 3: to zero, beat Josh Allen and Joe Burrow, and c J.

751
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: Stroud plays well in both those games, Okay, there's gonna

752
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 3: be some pump.

753
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: And he definitely ghost last year that offensive line was bad.

754
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: He definitely heard the ghosts. It got very loud, it

755
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: got very frightening for him. Stroud was the one that

756
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: I flirted with for this, but I came down to

757
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: the idea that I can't get there because I don't

758
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: think the stats would be there. And I landed on

759
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: Mayfield because two years ago forty five hundred and forty

760
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: one like that.

761
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: That's an MVP line right there.

762
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: So I know Mayfield is capable of that again, harder

763
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: without Mike Evns, but it's not like he's bereft of

764
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: talent around to do it again. It's about staying healthy

765
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: for him and again winning.

766
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: That division will be huge. It does feel like.

767
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: Look, I always bet Josh Allen every year because it's

768
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: easy and it always makes money and then I can

769
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: always cash out of it if I don't want to.

770
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: See it to fruition.

771
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: But if I am going to bet the Bills to

772
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 2: win this year, I can't also bet Josh Allen to

773
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: win MVP and feel good about it because the MVP

774
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: never wins the Super Bowl anymore. It just never happened.

775
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: They get there, but they don't win it. The last

776
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: one to do it nineteen ninety nine, Kurt Warner. Everybody,

777
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: it's a long time before we've seen somebody do that that.

778
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: Maybe Josh Allen will break all the curse. Maybe that's

779
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: the Maybe that's the way out when m VP went

780
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: all that stuff. By the way, did you see caught

781
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: on social media the new Buffalo Bills facility?

782
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: Have you guys seen.

783
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 3: Locker room, like a new stadium or just everything.

784
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: I saw a little. It was like a little tour

785
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: of the locker room. And inside the locker room, right,

786
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: all the walls and things like that are all white.

787
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, we can change the colors depending on

788
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,959
Speaker 2: what uniforms they were that day. So if they wear

789
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: like the all whites, it's all white. If they wear

790
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: the blue and something else, they they could change the

791
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: whole tone of the in tier in the locker room.

792
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: I'm taking myself not like mood lighting. What a complete

793
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 2: nutther waste of money and time.

794
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: But that's it's cool and I like it.

795
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 4: They just have wallpaper on like a big conveyor belt.

796
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 4: So it's like, where are the blue jerseys?

797
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: Guys?

798
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, hopefully they were all white again when they

799
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: host the Patriots again.

800
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: Yeah? This new? All right?

801
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 2: De Bro, I know you got more feelings, so let's

802
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: get them all out here on the table.

803
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: I got two other guys that want toss in this conversation.

804
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: Whose two? Yes? All right?

805
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 4: I think they fit the bill of good teams that

806
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 4: could win twelve or more games, as well as I

807
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 4: like their odds, like if the forty nine ers do

808
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 4: stay healthy, and their offense can be everything that we

809
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 4: think that they can be if health complies. And brock

810
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 4: perty has been in the MVP on the outskirts of it,

811
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 4: but in the MVP conversation before at plus twenty two

812
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 4: hundred and Jared Goff at plus thirty five hundred. Because

813
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 4: the Lions have a really easy schedule a lot of

814
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 4: indoor games. If their defense can put up their side

815
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 4: of the ball and do the damn thing and stay healthy,

816
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 4: this could be the best defense that he has played

817
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 4: with backing him in positive game scripts to where you

818
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 4: could see that type of Stafford run where they're just like,

819
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 4: let's get golf the MVP, baby like Jamir Gibbs is

820
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 4: the flavored a jure, but golf. When we get near

821
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 4: the goal line, we're just gonna feed the port a

822
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 4: feed on and around Sam Brown, Isaac Tesla. He might

823
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 4: only have four team catches this year, but all of

824
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 4: them are freaking touchdowns, baby, Like, both of those guys

825
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 4: make a lot of sense.

826
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 2: I will go on record and I don't like to

827
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: do this a lot because I feel like it's very performative.

828
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 4: I feel like it's very Stephen A. Smith but I'll

829
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 4: maybe I'll do it in stephen A. Smith voice. There's

830
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 4: no way that Jared is ever gonna win it. There's

831
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 4: no universe with Jared Goff ever wins an MVP in

832
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 4: the National Football League.

833
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you know what, I get it now.

834
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: I don't do that voice very often. But you know,

835
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: the more I talk in it, the more it's fun.

836
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 2: And now I get why he does it all the time.

837
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: It's fun. It's a good choice. It's fun.

838
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 4: Do you sit up a little bit higher in your

839
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 4: chair when you do the stephen A.

840
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 3: Smith?

841
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 2: Get get to the I get closer to the camera

842
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: so the camera can see all that I'm talking about.

843
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: Because he's still got that little bit of New York

844
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: in him when he says a little bit more like this,

845
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: you got.

846
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 4: A little bit so the forehead, the hairline doesn't look

847
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 4: as far back to.

848
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: Well, I definitely hairlines are there is no line.

849
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 4: Same have always same hairlines since ninety nine, Baby, stephen A.

850
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: Your Steven a impression. So why do you think you

851
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: just don't think Jared Goff will ever.

852
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 4: Because Jared Goff doesn't move the national psyche meter at all.

853
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: He has no flare. He's got no pizzazz.

854
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: He is boring af He's good in his job, but

855
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: he is literally like mayonnaise on whitebread. And like, I

856
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: don't think you could sell that to the rest of

857
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 2: the league. He would have to throw for fifty touchdowns

858
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: to even be in that conversation. It has to be

859
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: that kind of a season, which is that impossible in

860
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: that offense. Like I just want to say, I'm with you.

861
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: I think golf can have a good year, but there's

862
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: there's no way you could sell the personality of Jared

863
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: Goff to all these voters over again. What's the narrative,

864
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: what's the story? Like Jared Goff is really good one year?

865
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: Like that's not enough.

866
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 3: Well, the thing is too if you look at I mean,

867
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 3: Jared Goff's been good when Detroit the top five offense

868
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 3: every single year and he never sees the type of

869
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 3: ever finished DP votes. Like that's the thing that me

870
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: So I just don't think that he would be in

871
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 3: the voter's mind. I think that they would try to

872
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 3: get and I'm not saying this is right. I feel

873
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 3: like they would give, Oh, well, he has Gibbs, he's

874
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 3: got aman Raw, he's got Jamison like I think I

875
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 3: agree with Joe where I don't think that Jared Goff

876
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 3: would just be at the top of voters unless he

877
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 3: just has a fifty plus passing touchdown where kind of

878
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 3: forcing the voter's hands of no, we have to vote

879
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 3: for Jared Goff because he is throwing for so many touchdowns.

880
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 3: I think that he is in an uphill battle because

881
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: I think he's had good statistical season.

882
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 4: He has gotten MVP votes, by the way, place in

883
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 4: the highest he's ever finished.

884
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four, so he was top five in

885
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: the voting.

886
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 3: I think there are I think there are better ways

887
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: to play the line. I'd rather just bet Lion's futures.

888
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: I love neither one of you.

889
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 4: Like I thought Joe was going to start this off

890
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 4: with this marching brick party.

891
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: Like they do. He doesn't. He Pretty MVP. Pretty MVP

892
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: is a story you could sell me. Now, that's a book.

893
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: That's a book that sells.

894
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 3: Brock Joe and Joe read that book.

895
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: I would buy they he would actually read that book.

896
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: I'd go to Barnes and Over for the signing. I'd say, Brock,

897
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: will you sign my copy for me? Please? Rock perty

898
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: by the way, you sign this, and then I go on.

899
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: Pristine Auction and I put it up there immediately after.

900
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: But here's the point. Brock Purty's a story. It's the

901
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: underdog story. It's the narrative of the guy who's you know,

902
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 2: up against it all the time. And then like last year,

903
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: you know, I had some injuries, missed some time, and

904
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: you know the forty nine ers fell apart at the end.

905
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: But brock Purty was the good soldier.

906
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: And if George.

907
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 2: Kills stays healthy and all these things happened, right and

908
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: CEMC play seventeen games. Yeah, I think that's what I

909
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: would if you had one hundred dollars for me to

910
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: spend and you said you could put it on brock

911
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: Party or Jared Goff. I put all one hundred over

912
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 2: on brock Party over Golf Rocker, by the way, that

913
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: year in twenty twenty four, he threw for forty six

914
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 2: hundred yards thirty seven touchdowns and the bestie you get

915
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 2: was fifth.

916
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: Brock Party fourth in the MVP voting in twenty twenty three.

917
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 3: Already had a gough. So I agree, give me my

918
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,479
Speaker 3: one hundred on brock Party's here on Jared goff, all right, do.

919
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: You have any more guys? I mean, I mean how

920
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: much money is spending here? No? No, I mean we

921
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: can get to the who we want to burn our

922
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: money on.

923
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: I think if you were to burn your money on

924
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: anybody not I mean, look, last year there was a

925
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: serious push for Jonathan Taylor at one point because of

926
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: all the touchdowns and and well he also they also

927
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 2: fell apart.

928
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: Fairness, it's Gibbs, b Jhon Robinson.

929
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 2: I know this is never gonna happen, but I found

930
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: it really interesting that Miles Garrett is even on the board,

931
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: you know, like what it.

932
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 4: Will never be a defensive player. Don't care that guy

933
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 4: behind that?

934
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: I agree.

935
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 4: You've seen Derek Henry do too many special things like

936
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 4: I I already and he's never sniffed it. I can't

937
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 4: bet him. I guess the one guy that because.

938
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: McCaffrey's never won it, and that's the last piece of

939
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: his you know, Hall of fame career resumes.

940
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: I some think he has enough juice left.

941
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 3: What are you gonna say, deep? Who have a name

942
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 3: in mind?

943
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: Running back? You need a running back? I think.

944
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 4: Okay, So if you're going to create the narrative for

945
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 4: a running back and they have to have they have

946
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 4: to have past game usage, or they have to run

947
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 4: for over two two thousand yards. I think you have

948
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 4: to have the receiving utility to sniff the conversation like

949
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 4: a CMC. Now, yeah, I think if you want to

950
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 4: make the worst to first, like the crazy guy, and

951
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 4: I'm looking for his freaking odds here, if you wanted

952
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 4: to make the national narrative of this team is way

953
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 4: better than people give it credit for new head coach.

954
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 4: A quarterback is on the reclamation here. This running back

955
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 4: goes one thousand, one thousand, gets a thousand receiving yards,

956
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 4: and he's the brand new Marshall. Falk would be Bjean

957
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 4: Robinson because if like the Falcons, were to take the NFC, he's.

958
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: Setting up for this so far down the trough like

959
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: Jon's in that middle group, but he's plus eight thousand.

960
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: He's got worse odds than freaking Gibbs.

961
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: But he's not gonna win because he doesn't play quarterback.

962
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 4: So I know, if we're burning money about guys, you're

963
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 4: saying everything.

964
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: If we're wearing money, Andrews.

965
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 3: I got my whimsy. If I want to burn money,

966
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 3: I would bet on Travis Hunter at plus one seven

967
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 3: hundred five. He's a unicorn, right, how many guys quarterback

968
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 3: a cornerback to me of a guy that way. So

969
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 3: let's say he plays both receiver and defensive back, goes

970
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 3: for a thousand yards, gets five interceptions. He's the only

971
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: guy that wide receiver steps to do.

972
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: You don't know that, straight up? You don't. I know

973
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: that he don't know. You don't. No, you don't.

974
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 3: I'm saying you need an outlier performance for a non

975
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 3: quarterback to win this. Like, I like Travis Winter is

976
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 3: the only guy that can do that because he's the

977
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 3: only guy that plays two positions.

978
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: I like it. Andrew's right that no good argument, it's

979
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: not gonna happen.

980
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: No, he's more of a unicorn in the sense like

981
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: we didn't see him at all last year, like barely.

982
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: Like it just that's that's the kind of like they

983
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: don't exist, Like.

984
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: That's running on three legs and to play defense.

985
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 2: But Andrew's right, two way player in the NFL. That's

986
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: like a show Haltani kind of story.

987
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 3: He's the only guy that can do it.

988
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: That's right.

989
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 4: If hit two fifty and only had eighteen homer.

990
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 2: Sure Shotani only hit two fifty and eighteen home runs

991
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: and still struck out two hundred guys initially did he's

992
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 2: still winning MVP.

993
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 1: I hate to break it to you, like.

994
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: That's just it's absurd that he is one of the

995
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: best pitchers in baseball and one of the best hitters

996
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: in baseball at the same time.

997
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: Not a Travis Hunter is not He's not getting there.

998
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: If Travis Hunter played quarterback and defense would be really interesting.

999
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: But again, that's man.

1000
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: Have you seen him by the way, he did put

1001
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: on some weight. He did put on a little muscle

1002
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: here every year, which I thought was good. He did

1003
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 2: look a little slight last year in my opinion.

1004
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 3: I mean, he's always been just so much cardio.

1005
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 2: Because I can't believe you guys didn't bring up Daniel

1006
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: Jones by the way, we thought.

1007
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: We waiting for you.

1008
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 4: I mean we were just waiting for talking about bets

1009
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 4: on the show, Joe mentioning Daniel Jones at minus three

1010
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 4: point fifty and he's still hit people.

1011
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: God, I hope he wins that every show, just to

1012
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: run show.

1013
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: All right, those are the dark horse candidates for MVP,

1014
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: but it's not the only hardware we're giving out today.

1015
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: I saw a fun thing, a little thread on the

1016
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 2: internets that there will be a fun thing to do

1017
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: here where people are saying, if you could give a

1018
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: Super Bowl ring to somebody, maybe a great player, hall

1019
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: of Famer, somebody, a player that you loved in your

1020
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: youth who did not win a Super Bowl or maybe

1021
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: even never got to play in one.

1022
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: Who would that somebody be? And for me, it was

1023
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: a very easy answer.

1024
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: The first jersey I ever owned was a running back

1025
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: named Barry Sanders.

1026
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: Was gonna be my answer.

1027
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: Credible, and not just because of what he did on

1028
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: the field, but kind of just the dude he was

1029
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: all the time. You know, in an era in the

1030
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 2: nineties where everybody was performative and doing these things, Barry

1031
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 2: Sanders would running there, score three touchdowns of the game

1032
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: and just flipped the ball the referee like it was.

1033
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: Just part of his job. And it wasn't joyless. He

1034
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: loved his job.

1035
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 2: And unfortunately he had to spend his entire career with

1036
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: the Detroit Lions and we never got to see what

1037
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: he could do on a good team who had a

1038
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: real offensive line. There were some sporadic moments where the

1039
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 2: Lions were okay, you know, with a lot of Scott

1040
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: Mitchell years and some other Jabbroni quarterbacks way worse.

1041
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: Than Scott Mitchell Craig.

1042
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: This is a lot of a lot of a lot

1043
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 2: of ghosts of bad quarterbacks pass that he had to

1044
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: play with. And I showed my daughter recently a couple

1045
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: of months ago a highlight reel Barry.

1046
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: Sanders because she didn't know who he was.

1047
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: And she plays football now, she's been playing football for

1048
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: five years. She's fourteen years old, and she was shouldn't believe.

1049
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 2: She's like how, She's like, how does he keep moving

1050
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: through everybody? And I was like, because he was just

1051
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: a special human to watch play football. So the guy

1052
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: that captured my you know, psyche as a child that

1053
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: I was like, I need a jersey. And I probably

1054
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: was about like eleven years old er, so I was like,

1055
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: I need a jersey. That's the one I want. I

1056
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: want Barry Sanders. And it's a shame that he never

1057
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: played in more meetingful football because he is such a competitor.

1058
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: He was such a spectacular talent.

1059
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: But to me, like the fact that they never got

1060
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: to really show it on that grand stage and the

1061
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 2: big NFC championship games or in the Super Bowl like

1062
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: that to me is the one that really it sucks.

1063
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: I want to give him a Super Bowl ring. He

1064
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: deserves it. He's a super Bowl kind of player. Unfortunately

1065
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: this is not real. But in theory, Barry Sanders, I

1066
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: got your back, Debro, did you could take Barry Sanders?

1067
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 1: Who did you?

1068
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 4: Dude so much for putting that name on the show

1069
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 4: sheet before I could.

1070
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: Get to make the show sheet.

1071
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 4: So I'm always he was my favorite player growing up

1072
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 4: before Drew Brees hit the league, and he's now my

1073
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 4: favorite player. But Barry Sanders was the guy that, like,

1074
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 4: it was just astonishing what he did. Like even if

1075
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 4: you go back to like also the collegiate highlight reel

1076
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 4: is just sick. Oh yeah, the guy that I'll toss

1077
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 4: into and this is the low hanging fruit. He was

1078
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes before Patrick Mahomes ever was even a twinkle

1079
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 4: in his parents' eyes. Dann Marino, I mean, when you

1080
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 4: retire with twenty five NFL regular season records, like you're legit,

1081
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 4: like the first guy to go over in NFL history

1082
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 4: to pass for more than five thousand yards, you want

1083
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 4: to talk about.

1084
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: By the way, where they were literally murdering quarterbacks in

1085
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 2: the backfield and murdering wide receivers going over the middle,

1086
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: like he people don't understand. Eighties football was different, bro Yep,

1087
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: it was different.

1088
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 4: And dude, he went to I think what the Dolphins

1089
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 4: went to a Super Bowl when his second season and

1090
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 4: they just never sniffed it again, Like it was it's

1091
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 4: sad to see a guy with so many, so much talent,

1092
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 4: so many accolades, and he was just so freaking good,

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00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 4: and what could Dan Marino have done in this era

1094
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 4: the NFL? Holy crap, man, Like, it's sad to see

1095
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 4: that he never got a ring while also being a guy.

1096
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 4: It's not like his career was cut short by injuries.

1097
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 4: It's just he was failed by a horrible freaking franchise.

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00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: Uh. It's sad.

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Speaker 4: And I know he's probably what he's on the short

1100
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 4: list of names that people when you know, we introed

1101
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 4: this conversation that people automatic would think about, but he

1102
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 4: has to be in the conversation, has.

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00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: To be five eighty four yards, forty eight touchdowns in

1104
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: the second year and eighty four and they lost to the.

1105
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: Forty nine ers in the Super Bowl Sane Insan Sarah.

1106
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: He also led the league in passing yards one, two, three,

1107
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 2: four five times in his career. And the other thing

1108
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: about Dan Marino too is like he never played on

1109
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: a team that had a good defense. Run games were

1110
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 2: suspect at best for the most part. And it's such

1111
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: a tragedy too because he had Don Shula for a

1112
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 2: good chunk of his career, like where it's like it's

1113
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 2: Don Shula, like it's one of the great coaches ever.

1114
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: They couldn't put something better around him to get him

1115
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 1: over the hump there. It's just crazy.

1116
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: And the thought process was, well, this is just the

1117
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: first of many Super Bowls for Dan Marino.

1118
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: He'll be back in many times. Nope, never happened again. Nope,

1119
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: never happened again.

1120
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: I actually saw recently was an interview with Chris Carter

1121
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: was on some it was like on a reel or something,

1122
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: and they asked him who's the greatest quarterback he ever saw,

1123
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: like on the field, like you know, playing either with

1124
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 2: or against, and he, without hesitation, he said Dan Marino.

1125
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: He said, the arm town of Dan Marino, I've never

1126
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: seen anyone before. After during the same arm talent of

1127
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 2: Dan Marino, and I could only imagine if you Droppedda

1128
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: Marino into modern day NFL with the rules and the

1129
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: talent around him, like if you if you dropped him

1130
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: into like the Lions offense or something absurd and the

1131
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: controlled environment, he would throw from five thousand yards.

1132
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 1: Every year, like it would be his standard.

1133
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: He would be the number one in super Flex, He

1134
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: would be the numberumber one. He would be a first

1135
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: round pick, I think in fantasy, just because of what

1136
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: he would do from a fantasy perspective.

1137
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: Just to give.

1138
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 4: People context about that five thousand yard passing season and

1139
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 4: this totally different era of the NFL in that year,

1140
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 4: he was only that he threw for five thousand freaking yards.

1141
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 4: He was only one of three quarterbacks to more throw

1142
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 4: for more than four thousand yards, only three he threw

1143
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 4: for forty eight passing touchdowns. He was the only quarterback

1144
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 4: to throw for more than forty passing touchdowns and only

1145
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 4: two guys threw for more than thirty passing touchdowns, and

1146
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 4: he threw for freaking forty eight. That is like a

1147
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 4: guy in this era of the NFL. Just to give

1148
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 4: equivalency here throwing for six thousand passing yards and like

1149
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 4: fifty five or sixty touchdowns. That's what we're discussing here.

1150
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 4: It's just look at who the other guys were. Neil

1151
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 4: Lomack's forty six hundred and Phil sives thousand. Dave Craig says, Hi,

1152
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 4: if Craig was number five, yeah, Dave Craig right, Andrew

1153
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 4: Flor's yours.

1154
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: Give somebody's Super Bowl ring who you want to hand

1155
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: it out to.

1156
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 3: Randy Moss the second best wide receiver in NFL history,

1157
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 3: in my opinion, behind only Jerry Rice. Moss had multiple

1158
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 3: opportunities for Super Bowls two thousand and seven with the Patriots,

1159
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 3: had a veteran signing with the forty nine ers, was

1160
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 3: on that team that fell short against the Baltimore Ravens.

1161
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 3: But he played on two of the greatest offenses in

1162
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 3: NFL history, the two thousand Patriots, like I mentioned, and

1163
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 3: the nineteen ninety eight Minnesota Vikings, two teams that looked

1164
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 3: like they were on their way to be Super Bowl

1165
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 3: champions and came up just short. So to see a

1166
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 3: player that I think is viewed collectively as a top

1167
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 3: five wide receiver of all time for not him to

1168
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 3: have a ring, I would want to change history to

1169
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 3: give Randy Moss ring and then as an honorable mention,

1170
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 3: because of course I got to mention at least two

1171
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 3: former Patriots. Logan Mankins. He was one of these players

1172
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 3: that fell a ten years drout of no Patriots Super

1173
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 3: Bowls between two thousand and four and twenty fourteen. He

1174
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 3: was the first round pick in the two thousand and

1175
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 3: five NFL Draft for the Patriots and they never got

1176
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 3: back to the Super Bowl until twenty fourteen. They lost

1177
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 3: to the Giants twice. Mangan's wasn't on that roster. So

1178
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 3: a guy that is viewed by Patriots again, if you

1179
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 3: ask a casual fan, Oh yeah, Logan mago it's really

1180
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 3: good offensive lineman. He's got a ring, right, It's like, no,

1181
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 3: like he got screwed basically during that period where the

1182
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 3: Patriots came up short and a bunch of Super bowlskins,

1183
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 3: the Giants, Eagles, et cetera. So yeah, Logan Mangans, I

1184
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 3: would like to give him a ring. That's a really

1185
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 3: good player, a really.

1186
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: Awkward like like reunions where everybody gets together.

1187
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 3: Everyone's got their rings. It's like the guy, oh no,

1188
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 3: my hands are naked.

1189
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, defensive player Junior say, I would be the one

1190
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 2: for me on the defensive side. Oh, man, Ji, that

1191
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: was a that was another guy, the where you had

1192
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 2: to watch him play kind of thing Junior, The way

1193
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 2: he led a defense, the way he would set up

1194
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 2: on the line, the way he would know exactly what

1195
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 2: play you were running, because he put all the work

1196
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 2: in all this stuff and then he would just knock

1197
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 2: the crap out of you.

1198
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: Like he was just an incredible talent.

1199
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 4: Well to the fact that when you were physically gifted

1200
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 4: enough and you were talented enough, like not just to

1201
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 4: hang around in the freaking NFL, but to play in

1202
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 4: the NFL like he he was still in the NFL

1203
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 4: at age forty, dude, Like, yeah, he was that special.

1204
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: Also with the Patriots.

1205
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 3: Also with the Patriots, because that's that's how I remember

1206
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 3: him as the Patriots, And I'm like, who is this

1207
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 3: really old guy that's just making up all these plays?

1208
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 3: And I asked my dad about Oh yeah, when he

1209
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 3: was on the Chargers, like this dude was an absolute machine.

1210
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 2: He was when he was a USC absolutely sit there too.

1211
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