WEBVTT - Are We Holding Jasmine Crockett to Impossible Standards? | MiniPod

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, welcome to the Mini Pod. Today we got a

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<v Speaker 1>great viewer question asking us about supporting black elected who

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<v Speaker 1>might not support us. But I don't want to butcher

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<v Speaker 1>his words. He can say it much better than I

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<v Speaker 1>can take a Listen, Hey.

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<v Speaker 3>Native Lampod, this is Councilman Efao luclaytor of Shaker Heights, Ohio.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome Bakari to the Native Welcome home, Baccary to the

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<v Speaker 3>Native lamp Pod. I wanted to ask you all. We're

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<v Speaker 3>in the season, a lot of us are trying to

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<v Speaker 3>root for everybody black, but when it comes to voting

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<v Speaker 3>and recognizing that there are black electives who maybe haven't

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<v Speaker 3>supported policies that support black communities and black Democrats even

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<v Speaker 3>that maybe our supporting policies aren't beneficial black communities, particularly

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<v Speaker 3>doing things completely opposite of what our activists, brothers and

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<v Speaker 3>sisters might be wanting us to do. I'm curious about

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<v Speaker 3>how you thread that need on how you hold black

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<v Speaker 3>colletin's accountable and they're running for higher office, and especially

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<v Speaker 3>when they've done when they support some policies that ultimately

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<v Speaker 3>will be harmful towards black communities.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Thank you Counselman for that question and for

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<v Speaker 1>taking the time to weigh in. Who wants to jump

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<v Speaker 1>at that one?

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<v Speaker 4>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, I just I double down agree that that.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, I do want to champion everything black,

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<v Speaker 2>but not at the cost of things that are black

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<v Speaker 2>and that are good for communities and good for good

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<v Speaker 2>you know, good for us, good for communities. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>I'm frankly looking at something similar in my own city

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<v Speaker 2>where where some of the black council persons are not,

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, acting in the best intelligence or interest

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<v Speaker 2>or with an acknowledgment of the history that's just easily

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<v Speaker 2>available to us in their decision making. And it's and

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<v Speaker 2>it is a far gone conclusion as far as I'm concerned,

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<v Speaker 2>that some of that decision making is going to result

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<v Speaker 2>and bad impacts for our community, not just for black folks,

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<v Speaker 2>but for our community writ large. And so, you know, Mkara,

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<v Speaker 2>be interested in your perspective on this, because I know

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<v Speaker 2>we have both had to balance these things as elected officials.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think I think, in the spirit of the

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<v Speaker 2>last comment that was made. We have to interrogate everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and that all skin folks and kinfolk are Everybody who

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<v Speaker 2>stands up black and says that they'refore us is in

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<v Speaker 2>there necessarily acting in our interests. I think people largely

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<v Speaker 2>acting their interest and their interests are not always our interests.

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<v Speaker 2>You hope that as an elected official their interest is

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<v Speaker 2>in advancing their communities. But who knows what's gotten in

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<v Speaker 2>the mix. Who knows what's in that equation, Which is

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<v Speaker 2>why it's incumbent upon all of us to interrogate everything,

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<v Speaker 2>ask the tough questions, ask the why, and deal with

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<v Speaker 2>the fallout from it later. But if you're interested in

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<v Speaker 2>protecting your home, your community, your family, you damn well

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<v Speaker 2>but asked the questions and the right ones, or you

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<v Speaker 2>may find yourself on the wrong side of the impact.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I think that's important because accountability is a two

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<v Speaker 5>way street. And I think that it goes to a

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<v Speaker 5>comment that I made on a previous episode about the

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<v Speaker 5>stagnant nature of our black leadership and our black institutions

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<v Speaker 5>and our black foundations. I mean, the best example is

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<v Speaker 5>even black elected officials really don't even show up in

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<v Speaker 5>our communities. This is a harsh over generalization until after

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<v Speaker 5>Labor Day and they do the same old thing. Let's

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<v Speaker 5>have a fish fry, let's go to the football game,

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<v Speaker 5>let's come to church, and then we expect people to

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<v Speaker 5>come out. I think that we have to have an

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<v Speaker 5>age old mantra, but a new way of doing it,

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<v Speaker 5>which is the meet voters where they are. And I

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<v Speaker 5>think that I find my greatest disappointment maybe because of

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<v Speaker 5>my level of expectation to be with black elected officials

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<v Speaker 5>not white ones. And the reason being is because I

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<v Speaker 5>don't necessarily have that same level of hope or expectation

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<v Speaker 5>that you're going to care for our community as I

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<v Speaker 5>would for black elected officials. And maybe that's a maybe

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<v Speaker 5>that's a downfall on my part, but I also think

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<v Speaker 5>it's incumbent upon our black ministers, our black small business owners,

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<v Speaker 5>our leadership in our communities to ensure that they are

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<v Speaker 5>holding these people accountable, Like we have to show up

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<v Speaker 5>at school board meetings, Andrew, we have to show up

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<v Speaker 5>at city council meetings. Like I would challenge our viewers

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<v Speaker 5>and listeners right now, like when was the last school

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<v Speaker 5>board meeting you went to? When was the last city

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<v Speaker 5>council meeting you went to, and not just you know,

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<v Speaker 5>tuning in to Fox or MSNBC or CNN to watch

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<v Speaker 5>what's happening at sixteen hundred Pennsylvania. Truly understanding what's happening

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<v Speaker 5>in our local communities is so important. So I think

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<v Speaker 5>that is a two way street. One they owe us.

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<v Speaker 5>They being our elected officials, owe us the discernment of

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<v Speaker 5>putting our interests first. Second, we owe them showing up

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<v Speaker 5>and showing out, listening and be a part of the democracy,

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<v Speaker 5>because democracy is participatory. And the best example I could

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<v Speaker 5>give you is when I was serving Andrew, the group

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<v Speaker 5>of people I paid the most attention to was AARP.

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<v Speaker 5>Why because they they vote and they showed up every

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<v Speaker 5>time every issue. AARP was right there in my doorstep.

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<v Speaker 5>Now a lot of them were black, a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>them were older black folks. But I'm with you one

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<v Speaker 5>hundred and fifty percent.

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<v Speaker 6>Can I just say here, and I just told you

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<v Speaker 6>if I didn't want all of us to say something

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<v Speaker 6>on every question, but I just want to say on

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<v Speaker 6>this one part. ARP is a model to look at,

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<v Speaker 6>and the reason for that is ARP does not expect

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<v Speaker 6>the elected officials to carry their agenda without telling them,

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<v Speaker 6>requiring out of them, demanding them to do so. And

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<v Speaker 6>for whatever reason, we think that when someone in office

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<v Speaker 6>looks like us, that they're automatically going to be carrying

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<v Speaker 6>our water.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think it is a big mistake.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that we really have to make sure that

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<v Speaker 6>we're clear, Yes, we can celebrate your ascension, but we

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<v Speaker 6>are also going to demand and require that you meet

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<v Speaker 6>our needs the same way with anybody else. It is

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<v Speaker 6>our seat, it is not just yours, and that means

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<v Speaker 6>that you have to ensure that you're representing our best

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<v Speaker 6>interests the last thing I'll say, and I think that

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<v Speaker 6>this is something across the board that we need to

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<v Speaker 6>deal with. There's a purity test that we expect people

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<v Speaker 6>to pass, whether they are in leadership somewhere at work,

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<v Speaker 6>in office, wherever, that we would not be able to

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<v Speaker 6>pass ourselves. It hurt my heart to see how people

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<v Speaker 6>who look like us cannibalize Jasmine right after her announcement

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<v Speaker 6>last week, cannibalized, you know, there are all these things

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<v Speaker 6>that they don't think she's gonna be able to do,

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<v Speaker 6>that she can't do, that she's not on the right

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<v Speaker 6>side of the issue. For I think it's fine to say,

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<v Speaker 6>I would like to see you pivot here or in

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<v Speaker 6>this way, but damn, you don't think.

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<v Speaker 4>She's gonna be better than John Cordon.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, like, I'm sorry, so I wanted to be

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<v Speaker 6>able to hold both.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't. I didn't hear that I didn't. I'm fortunate

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<v Speaker 2>to get to observe the keble.

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<v Speaker 1>Give us some examples.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm happy to so, and I'm happy to also send

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<v Speaker 6>you guys clips if that's helpful.

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<v Speaker 4>Jason's going to join us next week.

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<v Speaker 5>I dropped the chat. I dropped the whole article in

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<v Speaker 5>the group chat that we have about the elected officials. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>by the way, they would democrats to collected officials, and

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<v Speaker 5>they ain't put their name on it, but there was

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<v Speaker 5>a whole political article about those individuals who were mad

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<v Speaker 5>at Jasmine, who were in the House caucus for running.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's true too, but because they think that she

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<v Speaker 6>is not going to win, and that means that she

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<v Speaker 6>would not hold her seat. Because so when she announces

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<v Speaker 6>for Senate, she automatically has to not she won't be

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<v Speaker 6>in the House, and to be fair, she could lose

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<v Speaker 6>the House seat too because of how they we've redrawn

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<v Speaker 6>the districts in Texas, right. I don't think that's the case,

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<v Speaker 6>but that could be the case. So she announces for

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<v Speaker 6>Senate people think there are a lot of our elders

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<v Speaker 6>that think you should wait your turn. So there's that

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<v Speaker 6>thing happening. And then there's also a lot of folks

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<v Speaker 6>who felt like she was wrong on the Israel Gaza piece.

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<v Speaker 6>And so the things that have been said have almost

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<v Speaker 6>been like she's not said that she stands with Palestinian

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<v Speaker 6>people that she like they've they've just taken, they've taken.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think that's part of the accountability piece

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<v Speaker 2>that we're all arguing for.

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<v Speaker 6>Its wowow should it be effective?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me just say this. I think, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats are the worst at negotiating against themselves before the

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<v Speaker 2>other side throws their terms out. We have already whittled

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<v Speaker 2>down the options of where we can go by just

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<v Speaker 2>debating amongst ourselves of what's possible and what is impossible.

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<v Speaker 2>And as far as I'm concerned, every person who has

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<v Speaker 2>ever broken any record over the history of time has

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<v Speaker 2>heard that this isn't your time, that you're not the

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<v Speaker 2>right one, that your profile isn't the right one to

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<v Speaker 2>get us to where it is that we're going. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let me tell you if it worked for Beto, a

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<v Speaker 2>Congress member who quite frankly, at the time of his

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<v Speaker 2>running for the US and it had an undistinguishable record

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<v Speaker 2>as a member of Congress from a legislative standpoint, if

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<v Speaker 2>we were able to rally there and get a ninth

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<v Speaker 2>hour endorsement from beyonce An, a rallying cry from Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>across the country, by God, you surely can hang in

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<v Speaker 2>there for a woman who has gone out on the ledge,

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<v Speaker 2>put her reputation and service on the line, and service

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<v Speaker 2>to the best of us. So don't get me started

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<v Speaker 2>about the negotiating against ourselves. She is as right for

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<v Speaker 2>this moment as any other name that you might throw

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<v Speaker 2>out there, as far as I'm concerned, And let her

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<v Speaker 2>go through the contested process of determining whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>she ought to be the nominee, and from that go forward.

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<v Speaker 2>But the truth is that the Democrats, they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the first one's bed wedding, and the first one

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<v Speaker 2>is talking about what's not possible, what we can't do,

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<v Speaker 2>what records you absolutely have to have in order you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to compete in a state like Texas. And by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, everybody else who is never built in a

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<v Speaker 2>record has heard that same thing before they broke the record.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me chime in SIMPLI and also say that it's

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<v Speaker 5>a really healthy primary in Texas. I mean a really

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<v Speaker 5>healthy primary. I know we're uplifting Jasmine as we should often,

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<v Speaker 5>but the Tarorleco fella ain't bad himself, and I think

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<v Speaker 5>the Jasmine. Look, whoever wins that primary is going to

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<v Speaker 5>be better for it. And I think that watching both

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<v Speaker 5>of them run this race is going to be something

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<v Speaker 5>that Democrats need more of. I mean, you know, instead

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<v Speaker 5>of crowning it or on the flip side with Andrew's

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<v Speaker 5>talking about saying who ain't qualified when they announce it's

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<v Speaker 5>because of X y Z. This is what people want

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<v Speaker 5>to see, a very very healthy primary. Let them get out.

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<v Speaker 4>Hold people to the same standard.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what I was about to say, Like, we also

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<v Speaker 5>need to put the Terry lecos his record of helping

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<v Speaker 5>black folk or not helping black folk up in the

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<v Speaker 5>light because I don't know, but you know, a state

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<v Speaker 5>house record don't have that many wards. But can me

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<v Speaker 5>and Andrew can put it up in the light and

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<v Speaker 5>see where it stands. But we need to go through

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<v Speaker 5>that process with him, just as we're like the same.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what I'm That's what I'm trying to articulate. Not well,

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<v Speaker 5>the same robust standard that black folks and Democrats are

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<v Speaker 5>putting Jasmine through the ringer, they need to put Tera

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<v Speaker 5>Leco through that same ringer. Because I think both of

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<v Speaker 5>them are good, and I think this process is healthy

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<v Speaker 5>for both of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a contesting process is always the best period.

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<v Speaker 2>I was neverdvocating for any of my opponents to be

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<v Speaker 2>put out of the race. I don't think any of

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<v Speaker 2>them should be simarily dismissed simply because we had a

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<v Speaker 2>difference of opinion. I thought we ought to go through

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<v Speaker 2>the process. And as we're saying here, if you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to hold me to a standard, just hold them to

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<v Speaker 2>the same standard. The cheapness by which we are willing

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<v Speaker 2>to give away our vote in our community simply because

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<v Speaker 2>a person of a different skin color showed up at

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<v Speaker 2>the barbecue. They didn't promise that this to anything. They

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't gotten us anything in the legislative record product to

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<v Speaker 2>this point, but the showing a face was enough for

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<v Speaker 2>them to be qualified. I show my face, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>expected I'm gonna show mine, right, But if they do,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the damn star has been hung.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear you, I hear y'all saying the same thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but about two different groups. And I'm interested in this, Angela,

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<v Speaker 1>because we were just talking about this a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>months ago. So one is the infrastructure of the Democratic Party,

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<v Speaker 1>like undercutting each other trash.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there's the other point in Angela, you found yourself

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<v Speaker 1>in the crosshairs with some people over this, over like

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<v Speaker 1>holding our elected officials accountable. Like it doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying, like we don't want this person, but declaring

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<v Speaker 1>that we have a right to demand that they live

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<v Speaker 1>in service to us, Like we elected them. Our salaries

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<v Speaker 1>pay or our tax dollars pay their salaries. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm talking about. I'm talking about Gavin. Gavin. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know. I'm trying to figure out like

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<v Speaker 1>telling voters like, yes, you can hold them accountable, Yes

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<v Speaker 1>you can demand of them what you want.

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<v Speaker 5>There do you have enough gang signs with kay, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>a gang member on the weekends. But there's also a third.

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<v Speaker 5>There's also a third thing, which is that we we

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<v Speaker 5>I touched on a little bit, but I see in

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<v Speaker 5>my professional career as a lawyer, but we also do

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<v Speaker 5>it in elected politics, which is what Andrews talking about,

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<v Speaker 5>which is black folks, we have this theory that their

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<v Speaker 5>ice is coded than ours. And that's some of y'all niggas,

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<v Speaker 5>they exactly like I mean, whether or not, it's the collective. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I'm just quote somebody had come in my

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<v Speaker 5>office with a with a criminal case. I'll quote him

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<v Speaker 5>twenty five thousand dollars, right, and they'll go right down

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<v Speaker 5>the street to the white person with twenty five thousand

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<v Speaker 5>dollars and pay it because his ice is coded in ours.

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<v Speaker 5>And as Andrew was saying, just because James is at

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<v Speaker 5>the barbecue now, I do want to give him a

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<v Speaker 5>chance to interrogate his record, but like we just can't

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<v Speaker 5>say that all of a sudden, he's.

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<v Speaker 4>Sposed to me a selfie lit the black people.

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<v Speaker 6>That he like down for the car. It's so annoying,

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<v Speaker 6>and I think that is it too. It's just like

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<v Speaker 6>what like I hate that mentality and I hate to

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<v Speaker 6>go back into Gavin.

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<v Speaker 4>But just like that he's only he the only one

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<v Speaker 4>we got. He's fighting. He the best he gets trumped, right, wet.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that you don't you don't You say these are

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<v Speaker 2>the last thing enduring elements of racism and white supremacy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean this is else well, no, but these are

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<v Speaker 2>the remnants, the last These are the gifts that just

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<v Speaker 2>keep on giving that white is right, and that if

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<v Speaker 2>it's not right white, then it deserves all these other

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<v Speaker 2>layers of conditions that we would never expect it say,

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't be more tired because I lived as I

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<v Speaker 2>lived every week, every day. It seems as an elected

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<v Speaker 2>official of having to overprove and you know, on every level,

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<v Speaker 2>because I wasn't white, and I'm running in a community

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<v Speaker 2>that has never been majority black, in a state that

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<v Speaker 2>is less than twelve percent of the electric is black.

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<v Speaker 5>And there's this.

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<v Speaker 2>But my service has never just been to that by

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<v Speaker 2>the way it's been to that, and by effect of

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<v Speaker 2>helping all of us, and you just happen to help

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<v Speaker 2>those who often find themselves at the bottom of every checklist.

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<v Speaker 2>And by helping that you lift the boat. I mean truly,

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<v Speaker 2>you get to lift the condition for everybody else. But

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<v Speaker 2>that argument was never good enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Ourselves first, you know, I think that is like healing.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the period. The foundation tip is.

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<v Speaker 6>It's so right because at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 6>what we keep doing is succumbing to the nature of

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<v Speaker 6>the abusive, toxic relationship dynamic, and that is what it is.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, we don't think we deserve better.

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<v Speaker 6>If you just acknowledge us, if you just take this

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<v Speaker 6>picture with us, if you could just wrap that lyric,

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<v Speaker 6>if you could just do them where my fans at dance,

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<v Speaker 6>if you could like then all of that is.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, Oh, he did owt for the cause. Tho what

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<v Speaker 4>does his policy say?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 6>And I think what is interesting Tubacari's point is there

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<v Speaker 6>was all of this criticism, you know of the folks

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<v Speaker 6>who critique Gavin, but with Wes Moore, there was a

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<v Speaker 6>ton of criticism for him saying, no, we've already done

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<v Speaker 6>the studies.

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<v Speaker 4>Now it's time for us to do the work.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, you all know that just this week the state

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<v Speaker 6>legislature and Maryland over has overridden that veto and now

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<v Speaker 6>they're going to do a study. And I just would

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<v Speaker 6>urge the folks in Maryland to consider what you all

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<v Speaker 6>going to do after the study's back, because that's what I.

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<v Speaker 4>Want to get to. I'm not mad at the study, though,

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<v Speaker 4>but how many more studies do we need? And that

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<v Speaker 4>was Wes's point. It's like we've studied this five times

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<v Speaker 4>in Maryland.

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<v Speaker 2>What leads us to studies oftentimes is the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>our white liberal colleagues, and certainly the white folks on

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<v Speaker 2>the Republican side, demand that we must have an accounting

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<v Speaker 2>for every cent, line dollar whatever of the conditions before

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<v Speaker 2>we can then move to solutions. So we then chase

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<v Speaker 2>that rabbit, We then get that rabbit, and then a

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<v Speaker 2>new condition gets set into motion. And I don't envy

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<v Speaker 2>really any side of this, because the truth is is

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<v Speaker 2>that the cheese just keeps moving, and it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>move again after this survey is done. There'll be another

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<v Speaker 2>condition that must be in place before we can then

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<v Speaker 2>get to the action, and then there'll be another thing

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<v Speaker 2>that is imposed on that before we can then again

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<v Speaker 2>get to the action. This is a cyclical motion that

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<v Speaker 2>they already know in advance. The delay tactic will always

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<v Speaker 2>be the demand for the next thing that keeps you

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<v Speaker 2>from getting to the thing. That's always going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the condition.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is a conversation that Native Land will

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<v Speaker 1>be revisiting many times, so we're gonna leave it right there.

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