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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong, Joe Gatty, arm.

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Speaker 2: Strong and Getty.

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Speaker 3: I know he.

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Speaker 1: Armstrong and Gatty.

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Speaker 2: You're not gonna play my joke a home.

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Speaker 4: And so much.

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Speaker 2: I love this joke.

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Speaker 5: Maxwell House Coffee temporarily changed its name to Maxwell Apartment

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Speaker 5: to better reflect current times. No, it's much better than

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Speaker 5: their first choice. Colleen, he so early.

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Speaker 1: What the hell?

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Speaker 2: Ah, boy, what do we got coming up?

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Speaker 1: Joe coming up?

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Speaker 6: The young lady at the center of the mac Gates allegations.

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Speaker 1: What actually happened in this story?

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Speaker 6: No, he ends up looking great or really glaciousness Florida style.

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Speaker 4: So my son was on a Boy Scout hiking trip

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Speaker 4: over the weekend. As I've talked about a lot since

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Speaker 4: he joined Boy Scouts last March, I am so impressed

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Speaker 4: with that organization in particular. I'm paying particularly I'm excited

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Speaker 4: about having an organization out there that's helping young men

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Speaker 4: the way it clearly is.

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Speaker 2: Because man, the.

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Speaker 4: Whole young men landscape thing, for all kinds of different

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Speaker 4: reasons that we've been talking about for years is a

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Speaker 4: little scary.

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Speaker 2: The fact that being a boy is considered a.

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Speaker 4: Disease in school, and the concept of toxic masculinity when

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Speaker 4: you're just being a dude and just all those different

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Speaker 4: things really weird me out.

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Speaker 6: Well, especially if you've had the misfortune to be born white,

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Speaker 6: then you're seen as the center of all evil, as

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Speaker 6: taught in your local elementary school and on up through

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Speaker 6: the chain of mis edge.

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Speaker 4: So Friday night on his HBO show, Bill Maher had

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Speaker 4: this podcaster ny You, professor Matt Galloway on, and they

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Speaker 4: started talking about men in America and some of the

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Speaker 4: stats around it that are horrifying.

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Speaker 6: The number of men I didn't realize this is a

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Speaker 6: percentage who live at home, still live with their parents.

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Speaker 1: What are those numbers.

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Speaker 7: It's about thirty percent of men under the age of

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Speaker 7: twenty five, one and three are still at home. One

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Speaker 7: in five are still at home by the age of thirty.

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Speaker 2: One in five at home at age thirty. Yipes.

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Speaker 1: He goes on, is that economic or emotional or both?

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Speaker 7: I mean, effectively, what you have is they're up against

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Speaker 7: this indomitable anime. Forty percent of the SMP is now

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Speaker 7: ten companies whose primary mission is to get you as

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Speaker 7: glued to a screen for as long as possible, any minute.

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Speaker 7: They can keep you on a screen longer as billions

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Speaker 7: of dollars, and a young man's brain, which prefrontal cortex

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Speaker 7: is less mature, is more susceptible to that need for dopo.

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Speaker 2: So what we've.

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Speaker 7: Literally done, Bill is unwittingly built an economy which is

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Speaker 7: dependent on our ability to evolve a new species of asocial,

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Speaker 7: asexual males. And what you have is big tech, who

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Speaker 7: is not our friend, is trying to sequester people, especially

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Speaker 7: young people, especially young men, from the most important thing

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Speaker 7: in our life, and that is relationships.

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Speaker 6: I've been trying to say that for years, but not

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Speaker 6: as eloquently as he just did. The greatest minds of

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Speaker 6: our time are trying to addict us to screens for

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Speaker 6: their own nefarious purposes.

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Speaker 2: Well i'd never heard that before, though.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know, because we all know about the dopamine

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Speaker 4: hits that we get from ding a new text, a

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Speaker 4: new headline, a new whatever. I didn't know that young

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Speaker 4: men were more susceptible to the dopamine hit than the

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Speaker 4: rest of us.

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Speaker 6: WHOA, Well, yeah, it's thrill seeking, that's what thrill seeking is.

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Speaker 6: And whether it's online thrills. You know, I'm not sure

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Speaker 6: I've ever been so disgusted by an advertisement as I was,

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Speaker 6: And I wish I had the quote in front of me.

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Speaker 6: But it was one of your shooting people in war

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Speaker 6: video games and it was dead serious. Be a hero,

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Speaker 6: a real hero, Call of Warfare three or whatever.

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Speaker 1: It's like, that's the opposite of what you freaking are.

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Speaker 6: You're living at your parents' home just play acting being

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Speaker 4: Oh, you wouldn't think there'd be anything at the beginning

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Speaker 4: of this pre internet if you just started out, we're

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Speaker 4: gonna develop a product that'll make young men care about

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Speaker 4: this product more than they care.

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Speaker 2: About getting laid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good luck.

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Speaker 4: I'd just said that's impossible. There's nothing that matters more

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Speaker 4: to young men than And it turns out you came

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Speaker 6: Yeah, unless your project is oxygen, it's gonna fail.

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Speaker 4: But they came up with this whole dopamine clicks thingy

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Speaker 4: that does anyway.

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Speaker 2: He goes on, make sure you guys do not miss

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Speaker 2: this stat So here we go.

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Speaker 7: Okay, forty five percent of men eighteen to twenty four

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Speaker 7: have never asked a woman out in person. Sixty three

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Speaker 7: percent of men under age of thirty are not even

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Speaker 4: And if you think about, stop it, because I want

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Speaker 4: you to start that again so I can pay closer attention.

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Speaker 2: Holy crap, Okay, here we go.

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Speaker 7: Forty five percent of men eighteen to twenty four have

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Speaker 7: never asked a woman out in person. Sixty three percent

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Speaker 7: of men under the age of thirty are not even

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Speaker 7: pursuing a relationship. And if you think about the most

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Speaker 7: rewarding things in your life, I mean the things that

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Speaker 7: really matter, they are essentially relationships. What do they all

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Speaker 7: have in common? They're really damn hard. And unfortunately, big tech,

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Speaker 7: the most deep pocketed godlike technology in the world, is

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Speaker 7: trying to convince young men that they can have a

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Speaker 7: reasonable facsimile of life online. Why go through the pecking

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Speaker 7: order of trying to establish friendships? And you got readed

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Speaker 7: in discord. Why put on a tie and navigate the

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Speaker 7: corporate world when you can trade crypto or stocks on

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Speaker 2: And why would you go through the effort.

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Speaker 7: The expense, and the potential rejection and humiliation of establishing

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Speaker 7: a romantic relationship when you have porn. I believe, slowly

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Speaker 7: but surely we're going to start to see fewer and

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Speaker 7: fewer young men out in the wild because they're going

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Speaker 7: to decide to sequester her. And if I could say

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Speaker 7: anything to young men, is that the anxiety and depression

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Speaker 7: you will eventually feel in your basement sequestered from other

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Speaker 7: mammals is far greater than the fear of anything that

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Speaker 7: lays outside of that room for you.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure that argument's gonna work, but that stat

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Speaker 4: I'm glad he brought up the p word porn.

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Speaker 2: I was wondering, is he be going to bring that up?

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Speaker 2: He did.

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Speaker 4: Two thirds of men under thirty are not pursuing a relationship,

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Speaker 4: completely unheard of when I was a young man, Just

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Speaker 4: absolutely impossible that there would have been one person I

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Speaker 4: would have ever run into a guy my age who

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Speaker 6: And just under half of eighteen to twenty four year

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Speaker 6: olds had never asked a.

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Speaker 1: Woman to go do anything. That's stunning. Good lord.

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Speaker 6: What's this Galloway's first name, Mike Scott. That is Scott Galloway. Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna follow him, and I like the cut of

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Speaker 6: his GiB. He's talking, he's spitting truth, as they say, Wow,

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Speaker 6: this is.

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Speaker 1: How many times have you said this?

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Speaker 6: If this was a different species than Homo sapiens, the

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Speaker 6: scientific world would be on fire talking about it.

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Speaker 2: Right, half of half of all alligators no longer want

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Speaker 6: Right, man, they're walking wrong along on hind legs and

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Speaker 6: trying to mate with beavers. I mean, this is an

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Speaker 6: astonishing change in the natural most deeply embedded behaviors in

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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe the flip side of looking at it is

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Speaker 4: the only thing that was getting us out of the

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Speaker 4: house was this needing a little and if we wanted

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Speaker 4: it so much, we freaking threw on a tie.

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Speaker 2: We left our home, We went.

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Speaker 4: Out there, got an edgemate, We did all these different

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Speaker 4: things just because we needed it so bad.

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Speaker 2: And once you.

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Speaker 4: Eliminate that need, ay, I'm just gonna state in my parents'

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Speaker 4: basement and sweats for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 1: That's sad, though it's of.

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Speaker 2: Course it's sad, And obviously he's right.

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Speaker 4: At the end of the road, you'll be much sadder

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Speaker 4: than you would be with the pursuit and failure and

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Speaker 4: all the ups and downs of life. But I don't

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Speaker 4: think that your argument's going to work on young people.

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Speaker 4: Just to see your time horizon when you're young just

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Speaker 4: doesn't work well.

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Speaker 6: Back to the impulsiveness of young people, particularly young men,

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Speaker 6: although let's not let the crazy, angry militancy of young

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Speaker 6: women go without being remarked on in this discussion as well.

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Speaker 6: That's but I've got a couple of teenage boys, different syndrome,

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Speaker 6: but still a significant one.

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Speaker 4: But like my high schooler, we spent a lot of

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Speaker 4: time together over the weekend because his brother was on

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Speaker 4: a camping trip. And he's gonna be sixteen here in

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Speaker 4: a couple of months, and he has the same attitude

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Speaker 4: every sixteen year old has where I had.

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Speaker 2: He talks about when I talk.

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Speaker 4: About you when you're thirty. When I'm thirty, I don't

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Speaker 4: even I don't even care if I'm alive when I'm thirty.

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Speaker 4: Who cares about being thirty? I mean, thirty is so

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Speaker 4: far off when you're sixteen, you can't.

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Speaker 2: Even imagine it.

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Speaker 4: You know, we'll be flying around in cars and all

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Speaker 4: kinds of stuff by the time you're thirty. So so

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Speaker 4: pitching to young people the idea, I mean, I do this,

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Speaker 4: I've done this with my own kids, and it seems

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Speaker 4: to be working so far. But pitching the you know

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Speaker 4: by the time you're forty, ultimately you'll be sad if.

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Speaker 2: You do this.

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Speaker 1: I hope that works. Yeah, you know, it's funny.

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Speaker 6: I was reminiscing with a couple of buddies that it

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Speaker 6: had been eleven years since we played our last show

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Speaker 6: as a rock and roll band, and I thought, good lord,

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Speaker 6: eleven years. Then I thought, that's all of high school,

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Speaker 6: all of college in the first three years of your career,

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Speaker 6: which is enormously impactful and is forever in youthful years,

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Speaker 6: you know, to your point when I'm thirty telling us

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Speaker 6: sixteen year old that please right, no, right, no, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 4: If you if you continue down this path when you're thirty,

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Speaker 4: you're going to be unhappy with your choices.

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Speaker 1: I'm done work. There will soon be.

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Speaker 6: A religion, a philosophy, and it will be popular. It

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Speaker 6: will be very, very popular. It might be a smallish

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Speaker 6: minority of humans, but it will be an anti tech

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Speaker 6: religion slash ethos that people will latch onto. I think

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Speaker 6: it is building. How widespread it is, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I am prepared to be your leader. I will not

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Speaker 6: be sexing up your younger women. At least at first

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Speaker 6: that appeas to you, because every one of these like

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Speaker 6: insular cult like organizations ends up with the leaders sexing

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Speaker 6: up the young women.

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Speaker 1: So I just figured I've got which the Matt Gates

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Speaker 1: thing coming up later?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I've got an important point. But do we have

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Speaker 2: a commercial we have to do first?

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Speaker 6: We do web brewed to gosh, folks, did you know

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Speaker 6: this cyber crime spikes during the holidays, fake shipping emails.

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Speaker 6: Jack's been talking about that, sketchy social media stores, too

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Speaker 6: good to be true. Black Friday deals you see heavily advertised.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're getting thousand of Russian drones coming into Germany.

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Speaker 6: Here's a former senior official at Central Intelligence Agency quote.

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Speaker 1: War, right.

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Speaker 2: But a cyber attack you just said, well, what are

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Speaker 6: Here's another headline from a few days ago. What the

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Speaker 4: Well, that leads me to believe he's willing to feed many,

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Speaker 6: A class of Russian first graders stood to attention this

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Speaker 6: Meanwhile, we're teaching our kids to hate their country and

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Speaker 1: People, and others like the polls are saying, what the

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Speaker 6: Why are you doing this on Russia's behalf stop it.

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Speaker 6: It's been a real divide.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she seems like we should be paying attention to

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Speaker 2: So that's gonna keep us busy for a while.

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Speaker 1: Ug Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 3: New details as the NBA expands its investigation into the

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Speaker 4: So the NBA going around saying, you got to give

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Speaker 6: Is that in their contracts or something or voluntary?

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but there's a possibility that in baseball

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Speaker 1: Check the betting patterns, check the betting pattern.

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Speaker 2: The hell was that? Or you miss, you know, you

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Speaker 6: So, speaking of news stories that we've touched on the

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Speaker 6: Next Hour, I would like to do this and I'm

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Speaker 1: But mentioned it last week.

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Speaker 6: The Sierra Club, the time honored environmental group, has now

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Speaker 4: That was your impersonation of the guy in charge of

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Speaker 1: Whatever, he's working the spotted owl desk. How do we

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Speaker 6: He's sure anyway, So that next hour, do you remember

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Speaker 4: He didn't look like the kind of guy that would

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Speaker 6: Well, this gal who is now let's see, it's eight

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Speaker 4: Hey, Matt Gates way to have sex allegedly with a

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Speaker 6: to be exploited, and how she's coped with what happened

446
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 6: to her and her the ensuing political scandal. She get

447
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 6: her teeth fixed that they've not made that clear here,

448
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 6: don't have a picture of her smiling. So yeah, exploit

449
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 6: it definitely, because a child or a minor cannot consent

450
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 6: to sexual relationship.

451
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: But a seventeen year old girl who says.

452
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 6: Hey, wait a minute, one of these sugar daddy sites

453
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 6: that's the answer, is not an innocent babe in the woods. No,

454
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 6: it's unfortunate that this sort of thing happens. I'm not

455
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 6: blaming her or anything. There's just this fair amount of

456
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 6: gray area going on.

457
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: No, she probably has had a lifestyle that forced her to.

458
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 4: Understand fast understand the adult world a lot faster than

459
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Speaker 4: you should.

460
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so, says her attorney. She said that her

461
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 6: client believed the public should have a fuller understanding of

462
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Speaker 6: how how she had been victimized.

463
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Speaker 1: Quote.

464
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Speaker 6: The vulnerable circumstances most crime victims face are rarely known

465
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Speaker 6: to the public. Although my client's circumstances revealed outside of

466
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Speaker 6: her control, I hope it helps with the public to

467
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,479
Speaker 6: see a fuller and more human picture of her than

468
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 6: the press is reported on to date. I don't know

469
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 6: if she has a book coming out or what. But

470
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 6: power imbalances can be aged, but they can also be financial.

471
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 6: My client had little economic security, which allowed for financial

472
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 6: leverage over her. That is a loaded couple of sentences. Yeah,

473
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 6: she needed money, so she did stuff for money.

474
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Speaker 4: Or you dated a guy because he's rich. I mean,

475
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Speaker 4: where does he cross the line? Come on now, yeah,

476
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 4: power imbalances.

477
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

478
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 6: I had little economic security and really needed money too,

479
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 6: so I worked crappy jobs, show sextup at old lady.

480
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

481
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's funny that a seventeen year old can consent

482
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Speaker 6: to working a crappy job but not sex.

483
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's wrong.

484
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Speaker 6: I'm just saying it's an interesting I mean, you weren't

485
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 6: some crappy, fairly dangerous jobs teenager and young adult.

486
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

487
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Speaker 6: Anyway, Oh, let's see a sex's experts, trafficking experts. There's

488
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 6: a spectrum of ways girls and women are exploited, as

489
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Speaker 6: we've been discussing. So in response to questions, mister Gates

490
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 6: said in the text message on Thursday, I never had

491
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 6: sex with this person. This person threatened me with a

492
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 6: lawsuit if I didn't pay her two point three million dollars.

493
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 6: She never sued me because her story is fiction.

494
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Speaker 2: Two point three million. That's a swinging for the fences.

495
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Speaker 6: So that's what Gates has to say, according to her lawyer,

496
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 6: junior year of high school, she turned seventeen, parents were divorced,

497
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 6: one in a shelter. To make extra money, she worked

498
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 6: at McDonald's, but began looking for other ways to make

499
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 6: money and turned to a website that advertised itself as

500
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 6: a sugar dating website that primarily connected older men and

501
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 6: young women seeking quote mutually beneficial relationships. According to the

502
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Speaker 6: House Ethics Committee, again, we used to have words for

503
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Speaker 6: these these things, not nearly as there weren't as many

504
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Speaker 6: words anyway.

505
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Speaker 4: The world's oldest profession has gotten a ghost writer that

506
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 4: has come up with some complicated paragraphs to explain.

507
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, again, fully cognizant. This girl was seventeen through

508
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 6: the website. In April of her junior year in high school,

509
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 6: she met Joel Greenberg, a local Florida tax collector who

510
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 6: is becoming a friend an ally of mister Gates. According

511
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 6: to court documents, we remember Greenberg's name. Mister Greenberg first

512
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 6: invited the seventeen year old to a meeting on his boat.

513
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Speaker 6: According to court documents. I don't know what they knew,

514
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 6: but and this is not a defense. This is not

515
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 6: a defense in a court of law. I happen to

516
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 6: know this, not through personal experience. I asked a friend.

517
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 6: Just because she claimed verified swore signed that she was eighteen,

518
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 6: that's not a defense for hooking up with seventeen year old.

519
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 6: But Greenberg at that point believed her to be eighteen.

520
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: That's interesting.

521
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: So it's your responsibility to figure that out.

522
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Speaker 4: I mean, this is all tawdry all the way aroud,

523
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 4: But you're supposed to what go with her to the

524
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 4: courthouse and see her birth certificate or the legal.

525
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 6: Theory is and I'm not up to it, like super recently.

526
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 6: But is you got to do whatever it takes. You

527
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 6: can't sex up a minor, even if said minor claims

528
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 6: to be a major.

529
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's take it out of the realm of.

530
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Speaker 4: Legality since that seems to be the law, and into

531
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Speaker 4: the like public opinion world. I mean, this is all

532
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 4: incredibly tawdry. You shouldn't be having sex with somebody that young.

533
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 4: I mean, even if you think they're eighteen, that young

534
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 4: because she needs money and you got money.

535
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just gross all the way around.

536
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 4: But if you know the company says she's eighteen, and

537
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 4: she says she's eighteen, how angry are we at Matt

538
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 4: Gates about the age part of it?

539
00:27:59,640 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: Right?

540
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the problem. So anyway, here's how I fell

541
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 6: Paul just ugly though. Oh it's tawdry. Yeah. Greenberg first

542
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 6: invited the seventeen year old to a meeting on his boat.

543
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 6: At that meeting, they did not have sex, but Greenberg

544
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 6: paid her four hundred dollars for being around around that time,

545
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 6: mister Greenberg. And it's funny, this is I'm quoting the

546
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 6: New York Times now and there's a lot of this

547
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 6: sort of herbage. Around that time, mister Greenberg gave her

548
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 6: ecstasy and told her to try it at home.

549
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: Again.

550
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 6: She's seventeen. He gave her ecstasy, she went ahead and

551
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 6: took it.

552
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: Anyway.

553
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 6: Shortly thereafter, mister Greenberg contacted the girl again. They ultimately

554
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 6: met up at a hotel where they had sex, according

555
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 6: to court documents. For that she's paid another four hundred dollars.

556
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 6: According to the court, in the months that followed, mister

557
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 6: Greenberg using his personal credit card and won for the

558
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 6: local tax collecting office he was in charge of. Scumbags

559
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 6: are gonna scumbag? I mean, he's hooking up with this

560
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 6: young woman leaves to be eighteen, and it's not good enough.

561
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 6: He starts using his work credit card anyway for the house.

562
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 6: Had sex with her seven times for money before she

563
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 6: turned eighteen, according to the documents. Often during those encounters

564
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 6: he would give her ecstasy, and he would often pay

565
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 6: the girl and other women additional money for taking the

566
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 6: drug during sex.

567
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Speaker 2: And where's gates come into this.

568
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Speaker 6: On July fifteen, twenty seventeen, Greenberg asked the girl and

569
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Speaker 6: others to attend a party at the home of Chris Dorworth,

570
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Speaker 6: former Republican member of the Florida House Reps who at

571
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 6: the time worked as a lobbyist run by a major

572
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 6: Trump fundraiser. Court documents described the party as involving alcohol, cocaine,

573
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 6: middle aged men, and young attractive females. Mister Gates, then

574
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Speaker 6: thirty five years old, attended the party with a girlfriend.

575
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Speaker 2: This is also gross though, I mean because.

576
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Speaker 4: Once you're older, and most people listening to this show

577
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 4: you're you know, least thirties and forties, if not older.

578
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 4: Once you get into your forties and fifties, an.

579
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Speaker 2: Eighteen year old looks like a freaking kid, like a child.

580
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Speaker 4: What are you doing? You going to a party and

581
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Speaker 4: shows up? People show up with girls. I would think,

582
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 4: what to get a junior high bus to come by?

583
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Speaker 1: What the hell is you know?

584
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Speaker 6: You know, I agree with you, but I've got to

585
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 6: disagree because the other thing you hear a lot from

586
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Speaker 6: guys who are forty plus or I don't know if

587
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 6: she's eighteen or twenty six, I.

588
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: Can't tell anymore.

589
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 2: Well, generally that.

590
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Speaker 4: Accompanied with I stay away from that whole group because

591
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Speaker 4: I can't tell the I mean, in my mind, that's why.

592
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 6: You're not invited to these swinging Florida parties.

593
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Speaker 1: I'm not sticking the mind.

594
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Speaker 4: I'm not invited to these parties because a twenty six

595
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Speaker 4: year old and a seventeen year old are the same

596
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Speaker 4: thing to me.

597
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Speaker 2: They're children. What am I doing around these children?

598
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Speaker 6: So here's Gates at the party with his girlfriend. At

599
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Speaker 6: the party, the girl, who was seventeen, later testified both

600
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Speaker 6: cocaine and ecstasy were offered to her. She took the

601
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 6: ecstasy and drank. According to court papers, she testifies that

602
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 6: she danced naked in front of mister Dorworth and swam naked.

603
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Speaker 1: In his pool.

604
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 6: Got A High Ethics committee heard testimony that the girl

605
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 6: twice had sex with mister Gates that evening, and court

606
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 6: documents quote her as having testified that she had sex

607
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 6: with him once on a pool table.

608
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: Or air hockey table. Only air hockey table will keep

609
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: you a quick witch, is it? They're very different tables.

610
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: One felt one you know air hockey issue. Well.

611
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Speaker 6: She testified that mister Dorworth saw mister Gates have sex

612
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 6: with her on the game table, then laughed about it

613
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 6: with other partygoers. Doorworth I meanwhile, I was claimed he

614
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 6: was not home at the time, an assertion undercut by

615
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 6: phone records that became part of the litigation.

616
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: In this case, an.

617
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: Air hockey table would be incredibly uncomfortable.

618
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Speaker 6: The girl later told congressional investigators she saw mister Gates

619
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Speaker 6: use cocaine twice that night. For having sex with him twice,

620
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Speaker 6: the girl was paid four hundred dollars, according testimony to

621
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Speaker 6: the Ethics Committee.

622
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Speaker 2: Well, I think worse would be a foosball table.

623
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Speaker 6: That'd be almost impossible, that would be intensely painful. That fall,

624
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 6: the girl moved to live with family members in Texas.

625
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 6: She did not complete her senior year in high school.

626
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 6: She continue to work from minimum wage in the food

627
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 6: services industry. Ultimately, between the money she made from her

628
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 6: interactions with men and in the food service industry, Jack,

629
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Speaker 6: to your question, she was able to save up enough

630
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Speaker 6: to get braces.

631
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Speaker 1: Thank god.

632
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: Her teeth are straight now.

633
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 6: Happy ending sort of, maybe she can become the manager

634
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 6: at McDonald's. At this point, mister Greenberg has pleaded guilty

635
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 6: to sex trafficking a minor for having sex with the

636
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 6: girl in exchange for money, who sentenced to a decade

637
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 6: in prison. Department declined to charge mister Gates to me,

638
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 6: we should have better public officials.

639
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 4: You know that it's not really that important whether she's

640
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 4: gonna be eighteen and six months or she's seventeen. Now,

641
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 4: she's way too young for you to be partying with

642
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 4: by far. Even if she's twenty one, you're forty five

643
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 4: or whatever you are.

644
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: Get the hell out of there, you weirdo.

645
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 6: And he was there with his girlfriend too, Gates. Was

646
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 6: she must have been really for rest of minded, open minded? Yes,

647
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 6: or it was off chatting with the girls or something.

648
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 6: I don't know, but yeah, yeah, wow.

649
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 4: Nice lifestyle, almost Attorney General Gates.

650
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, more all the ways.

651
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 4: There a couple of really important, impactful, well done stories

652
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 4: in sixty minutes last night. Then their third story, which

653
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 4: was about chess boxing.

654
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Speaker 10: When you first heard about it, did you know that

655
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 10: it was a real sport. No?

656
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 11: No, I thought it was like a Saturday night Life skit.

657
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 11: It was so absurd to me that someone would combine

658
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 11: these two things.

659
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 10: I have to admit, when I first heard about it,

660
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 10: I laughed, it sounds crazy.

661
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: It's the best thing about the sport.

662
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Speaker 11: Chess is battle on a board and boxing is chess

663
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Speaker 11: with my body. So when someone combined those two. I

664
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 11: was like, Yes, here's my yin and yang. Here's what

665
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 11: I was made for.

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Speaker 4: What are you the only person in the world that's

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Speaker 4: ever wanted to do this or thought it was a

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Speaker 4: good idea. Put together a team, here's how it win.

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Speaker 10: Matt Thomas is a chess boxing evangelist let me get

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Speaker 10: to the later round and.

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Speaker 1: Coach of Team USA.

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Speaker 10: He's built a squad of fifteen American contenders from all

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Speaker 10: walks of life. There's the lawyer, a Cornell math majors,

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Speaker 10: a military veteran who in twenty eighteen, Thomas became the

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Speaker 10: first American to compete for a world chess boxing title.

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Speaker 11: And you won and I won, which the person who

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Speaker 11: was the most surprised about that was me.

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Speaker 10: So did you win by hook or by rook?

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Speaker 1: Good question? It was actually by rook?

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 4: Putting together a team, you think, here's a guy who's

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Speaker 4: left hook could stop a mac truck, but he can't

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Speaker 4: castle for crap. But then you got another guy who's

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Speaker 4: got an eight hundred score on chess dot Com but

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Speaker 4: a glass jaw.

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Speaker 2: They all have their strengths and weaknesses. You gotta train

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Speaker 2: them up.

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Speaker 6: Jack, So you you box a few rounds, then you

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Speaker 6: immediately strip off your gear and sit down and play speed.

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Speaker 2: Of course you do. It's chess bond.

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Speaker 1: Yes, as they mentioned, yes.

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Speaker 4: You're the world champion. Was there anybody else doing it

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Speaker 4: up until five minutes ago?

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Speaker 6: I appreciate the striking contrast between slugging each other in

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Speaker 6: the head and then playing a cerebral game.

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Speaker 1: But what's next? Flute javelin or something?

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Speaker 6: You hurl the javelin then play a flute concerto or what? Well?

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Speaker 4: Right, I might be the world champion at tree climbing Jenga,

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Speaker 4: but don't I know who am I going.

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Speaker 1: To compete against? Somebody got invent a league? I guess.

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