1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 2: And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 3: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 3: On the side, we are two working parents who love 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 3: our careers and our families. 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. 8 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 9 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 10 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 11 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: the most out of life. 12 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. This 13 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 2: episode is airing in mid July, or maybe it's August. 14 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll find out. 15 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 4: We move these things around as we need to. But 16 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 4: this is a mail bag episode which we are at 17 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 4: fact recording together from my tiny little zoom room. Sarah 18 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 4: has agreed to sit very very close to me in 19 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 4: this closet. So welcome Sarah to my closet. Thank you 20 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 4: so much. This is very comfortable. 21 00:00:59,680 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 3: I like it. 22 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: It's cozy. 23 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 4: What makes it cozier is that I've put lots of 24 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 4: fabric in here in order to make less of you know, reverberations. 25 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 4: There's still some it's hard to get rid of all 26 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 4: of them, but it makes for less of them. But 27 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 4: we're kind of surrounded with pillows, coats, random other things. 28 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, lest anyone think it like looks artful, it's more 29 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 3: like Nope, like a down jacket stuck on top of 30 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 3: some packing phone. 31 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: Wait and tell them this. 32 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 3: It looks amazing, looks so pro so. 33 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 4: Pro so pro nothing but pro around here. So we're 34 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 4: going to be doing a mailbag episode. These questions come 35 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 4: from people who responded to a story of mine on Instagram, 36 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 4: and also from our Patreon community. We have great discussions 37 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 4: over on Patreon. If you'd love to come join us, 38 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 4: we would love to have you, and in fact, that's 39 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 4: where a lot of these questions come from. 40 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: So let's go ahead and dive right in. 41 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 3: Sarah, all right, I'm going to read the first question. 42 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 3: I'm feeling stuck in a high paying corporate leadership job. 43 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 3: I want to become a teacher, but having to pay 44 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: to go back to school, and the pay would also 45 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 3: be much less. Many teachers do. Sound miserable? 46 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: Am I nuts? Yeah? 47 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 4: This is a hard question. The first thing I want 48 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 4: to say is, you know, it's always possible to switch 49 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 4: careers and many people do. So if you want to 50 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 4: follow your passion, it's never too late. You can definitely 51 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 4: go and do it. That said, when you are changing careers, 52 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 4: and particularly if you were holding it out that I 53 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 4: want to do something that you've decided is very very 54 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 4: different from what you are doing, you want to make 55 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 4: sure that you have a good sense of what that 56 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 4: new career really would entail before you just decide, oh, 57 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 4: I have to go back to school for four years 58 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 4: and then do it, because at that point and then 59 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 4: you start working in it, you may not like it either, 60 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 4: because maybe there was something else that was going on. 61 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 4: You were unhappy about your current job and you were 62 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 4: running away from it as opposed to running actively to 63 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 4: this other thing. So you just want to be sure 64 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 4: that you know what you are getting into. A book 65 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 4: I really recommend on this is Jenny Blake's The Pivot Method, 66 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 4: and she talks about how you could make small moves 67 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 4: to try out something new before really committing to it 68 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 4: long term. So if we think about what this person 69 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 4: could do, she could start by taking just one education 70 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 4: course at night right to see if that's something she 71 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 4: was interested in. She could also try to get some 72 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 4: active teaching experience. Right, if there was a summer program 73 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 4: like tutoring kids over the summer she could do. If 74 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 4: there was a Saturday morning tutoring program she could work 75 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 4: in to get this experience of trying to teach a 76 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 4: little bit, because those probably wouldn't necessarily require a teaching 77 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 4: certificate to do. 78 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 3: One other thing I'm wondering is if there's anything she 79 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 3: can do in her current position or parallel to her 80 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 3: position to bring in the things she's interested in with 81 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 3: respect to teaching, Like maybe she feels like she wants 82 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 3: to do more mentoring or more speaking or more working 83 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 3: with others and she's stuck in other ways, or maybe 84 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 3: she I can't tell, Like there's not too much detail 85 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 3: provided here, but you can feel up for a lot 86 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 3: of different ways, and it may not necessarily require such 87 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 3: a drastic shift. Of course, if in the end it's 88 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 3: what it takes, totally makes sense. But I guess this 89 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 3: may be similar to pivot, but just like seeing if 90 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: there are ways to experiment with a job somewhat adjacent 91 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 3: to what she's doing now, but with more of what 92 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 3: she's interested in doing. 93 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, and if she decides she does want to be teaching. 94 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 4: There are certainly some programs that help people with experience 95 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 4: in different fields work in areas where there is a 96 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 4: high demand. So, for instance, if this woman has a 97 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 4: very strong like finance background, it's possible she could teach 98 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 4: like middle school math, for instance, and there is often 99 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 4: a high need for that, particularly in districts that are 100 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 4: have a little bit more trouble recruiting teachers. 101 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 2: And so if she was able. 102 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 4: To find a district like that around her, she might 103 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 4: be able to start teaching under sort of an emergency 104 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 4: licensing thing and then get her teaching license while she 105 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 4: was in the classroom. So it might not be that 106 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 4: you have to go to school first, you know. Obviously 107 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 4: it might be better all of them if she did 108 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 4: have the training. But if she is just hoping to 109 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 4: try this out and see if she can do it 110 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 4: for a while and then do the training, obviously that's 111 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 4: something that people do. 112 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: So we don't think you're nuts. We're just thinking maybe 113 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 3: you go a little bit slower in one step at 114 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 3: a time, and we hope whatever you decide it ends 115 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 3: up working out. 116 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, So our next question, how do you 117 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 4: manage your energy for playing with young kids after working 118 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 4: all day. When you are exhausted, I feel like I 119 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 4: have nothing left in me to give them. On weekdays, 120 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 4: I totally get it. As someone who doesn't have a 121 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 4: ton of energy in the evenings anyway, this can be 122 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 4: really challenging. My biggest piece of advice would be to 123 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 4: keep things minimal. You don't necessarily have to, I. 124 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 3: Don't know, do an hour log one on one like 125 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 3: play acting session where you're acting out you know, I 126 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 3: don't know, like something really that would require tons of 127 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 3: energy from you. 128 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: You could do something kind of looking. 129 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 3: Like maybe decide ahead of time that you want to 130 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 3: take a ten minute walk around the block. Maybe that'll 131 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: end up stretching out a little longer, maybe it won't, 132 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 3: and then lean into activities that are RESTful for both 133 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 3: of you. My favorite is a very long bathtime because 134 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 3: you can just sit and lounge by the tub. They're 135 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 3: playing with toys, you're with them, you can listen to 136 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 3: them if you want to be focused on them. You 137 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: can avoid having your device. If you just both need 138 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 3: some rest time, then maybe you have a podcast playing 139 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 3: in the background or whatever. But I think that you 140 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 3: should forgive yourself for being tired, because it's normal. 141 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: And maybe set the bar a little lower than you 142 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 2: were thinking. Yeah. 143 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 4: One other thing to consider is that if you do 144 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 4: want to spend more time playing with your kids and 145 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 4: they're young, my experience is that young kids often get 146 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 4: up at the crack of dawn and they'll have more 147 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 4: energy then and you may too. 148 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 2: So if you view that time before work. 149 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 4: As not being just focused on getting ready for work, 150 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 4: you might be actually able to have some good playtime 151 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 4: together in the morning before you both go your separate 152 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 4: ways for the day. So you know, the engagement with 153 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 4: kids doesn't have to only happen in the evening. It 154 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 4: can happen at other times as well, and sometimes that's 155 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 4: better if everyone is tired at the end of the day. 156 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: All right. 157 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 3: Our next question is about car trips. This listener writes, 158 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 3: what are your rules and norms around long car trips? 159 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: For example, maybe a rule would be everyone but the 160 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: driver must wear headphones or no snacks. I would especially 161 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 3: love to know what you did with your kids when 162 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 3: they were in the toddler and preschooler age. I mean, personally, 163 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: what I did is we didn't take super long car trips. 164 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: We took a. 165 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 3: Couple I mean, I think we did maybe go to 166 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 3: like Captiva Area, which is like three or four hours. 167 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, like, we chose not to take 168 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 3: twelve hour car trips during that time period because I 169 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 3: had some infants and toddlers. It was just scream no 170 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 3: matter what, and I didn't want to put us through 171 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 3: that life. So there's always the avoidance button. But if 172 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 3: you're not avoiding, I mean, we don't have a lot 173 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 3: of rules. 174 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: Do you guys have a lot of rules. Yeah, it's 175 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: kind of a free for all in the car. I 176 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: would say I would urge you. 177 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 4: To reconsider that rule of no snacks, just because I 178 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 4: think that makes it a lot harder for you. 179 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: And I don't know. 180 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not a snob about my car. It's 181 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 4: never been clean anyway. But we also one of the 182 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 4: reasons we have the family minivan is that is the 183 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 4: car that we trash and kids eat in the car, 184 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 4: and then they're happier while they are eating in the car, 185 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 4: and that can fill quite a bit of time. 186 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: It also has a screen. 187 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 4: It's like a twenty fourteen Otisiana, and so you can 188 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 4: put DVDs and it plays DVDs on the screen for 189 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 4: people in the back seat to watch, you know, So 190 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 4: we watch a lot of movies in the car. We 191 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 4: have if we're going on especially long trips. Now as 192 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 4: kids are not in all car seats. There's only one 193 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 4: kid who's in a car seat now, they rotate. So 194 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 4: we were going on a six hour car trip recently 195 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 4: and they rotated every ninety minutes of who was in 196 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 4: which seat, just because that makes it cuts down. 197 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: On one bit of whining. 198 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, there's some podcasts that my 199 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 4: husband likes to listen to, and some of the kids 200 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 4: either like to listen to or don't like to listen to. 201 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 4: But it doesn't really matter. They have their own devices 202 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 4: now too, But the littler ones, yeah, I'd say keeping 203 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 4: them fed and then taking frequent breaks might be your 204 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 4: best bet. 205 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 3: Yes, we do do the kind of stop at a 206 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 3: playground sometimes. So this wasn't really when they were toddlers, 207 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 3: but like, coming from the Amelia Island area to home 208 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 3: is about six hours, so a lot of times we 209 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 3: pick some like random destination about halfway between and just 210 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 3: kind of look at Google Maps to find the highest 211 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 3: rated playground and then hang out there. I think the 212 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 3: last time we actually brought public subs to a random 213 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 3: tightest Bill playground. 214 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: It was great. 215 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 3: They ran around, they got their energy out, so that 216 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 3: the next few hours of the trip they were a 217 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 3: bit tired and less likely to complain. 218 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's it's not going to be like all blissful, 219 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 4: Like if anyone has this image that you're going to 220 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 4: take these lovely car trips with your young kids, I mean, 221 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 4: somebody's going to be screaming. 222 00:09:55,200 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 2: It's just the reality of being in you know. I 223 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: would say, we. 224 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 4: Drove back from Newark Airport the night before we're recording this. 225 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 4: We didn't get into our car until nine ten pm, 226 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 4: and it's an hour and a half back, and at 227 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 4: one point we were about an hour in. Henry's like, 228 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 4: I'd like to be home now, Like I wish it 229 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 4: was within my power to have. 230 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: Us be home now. 231 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 4: You know, he was able to watch movies and not 232 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 4: scream and cry now that he's three, and so if 233 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 4: that's any you know, help for this, Like they do 234 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 4: grow up and at least get somewhat. 235 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 2: Better with cars. But I'd like to be home now. 236 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: I'd like to be home now. 237 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 3: You guys were all probably like exactly all of. 238 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: Us would like to be home now. All right, let's 239 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 2: do one more before our break. 240 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 4: Okay, So this one is another career related question. So 241 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 4: this person writes any tips on adjusting to working fewer 242 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 4: hours due to health reasons. Currently going through this transition 243 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 4: and struggling with it. My identity is so wrapped up 244 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 4: and how hard I work and in what I achieve, 245 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 4: I'm not sure who I am without that or to 246 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 4: do with the time I suddenly have now, which she 247 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 4: says is she's aware may sound like a good problem 248 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 4: to have. So Sarah, what would you recommend? 249 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, if it's for health reasons, I 250 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 3: would definitely let go of any like guilt or shame 251 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 3: around this. That you're doing it for a reason, and 252 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 3: guilt or shame are not going for our health or 253 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 3: our mental health. So the best thing you can do 254 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 3: is to kind of lean into it. And as you said, like, 255 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 3: remember that this is a good problem to have, that 256 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 3: you're able to take some time to address your help, 257 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 3: and you should really do that wholeheartedly. So that's my 258 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 3: first thought. Embrace it as temporary. So if you are 259 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 3: aiming to get better, the thought is that you know 260 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 3: ultimately you will be back full time, and so kind 261 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 3: of making this break is effective and as it can 262 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 3: be by getting that rest I think is a big 263 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: part of it. And then just recognize that, hey, you know, 264 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 3: you still are working. You're working fewer hours, but you're 265 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 3: still working, and so that still you should feel really 266 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 3: good about being able to I mean, you shouldn't even 267 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 3: feel bad if you couldn't work at all, but if 268 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 3: you are able to do something, then feel proud that 269 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 3: you're still able to contribute. And as you are taking 270 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 3: some time to care for yourself. 271 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, and given that, you know you're the sort of 272 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 4: ambitious person who likes to be aiming towards something, you 273 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 4: might think of some other project that fits within your 274 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 4: current health considerations that you might be able to do. So, 275 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 4: you know, obviously I don't know what's going on health wise, 276 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 4: but probably you know, maybe the marathon training may not 277 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 4: be the right thing right now, but it could be 278 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 4: that you want to read with a certain amount of intention, 279 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 4: right like you want to take this time to read 280 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 4: a book that you've always wanted to tackle, or all 281 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 4: the works of a certain author, or a series of 282 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 4: books on the same topic, like I went through a 283 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 4: you know, it took like two months and read a 284 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 4: ton of books on the Civil War. At one point 285 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 4: is you know, it got to be that I sort 286 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 4: of recognized all the different battles and how people were 287 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 4: telling about it from different angles, and it was. 288 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: You know, good. 289 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 4: Then you sort of know more about a topic and 290 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 4: you feel accomplished in that way, like that you're learning 291 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 4: something even and if it's not that you are working 292 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 4: the same number of hours in your job. So yeah, 293 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 4: I think trying to transfer some of that aspect of 294 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 4: your identity to another thing because you can't change that 295 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 4: that's part of your identity, like you're I don't think 296 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 4: that's really something people can do. Like, if you like 297 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 4: to be aiming for something all the time, that's you. 298 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 4: That's what you're always going to want to do. And 299 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 4: so you can have another project and you can also 300 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 4: take that ambition toward doing what you can to heal yourself. Right, 301 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 4: if you approach this as kind of my big project 302 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,599 Speaker 4: is to be the best you know, patient, the best 303 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 4: I don't know, whatever you're going through, whatever word you 304 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 4: want to use, but to be the best at that 305 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 4: that I possibly can be, that might be helpful for 306 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 4: your recovery as well. 307 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 3: That kind of reminds me of the book Wintering by 308 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 3: Catherine May if you haven't read that book, but I 309 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: feel like she kind of almost delves into a project 310 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: to heal herself and then she ended up writing about 311 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 3: it and helping others in the process. So if you 312 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 3: haven't read that book, that might be a good one 313 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 3: to read in this season. 314 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, Well we'll take a quick ad break 315 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 4: and we will be right back with some more from 316 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 4: our mailbag. Well, we are back, and in fact are 317 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 4: sitting in the same closet in my house doing a 318 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 4: mail bag episode. Lots of questions from listeners. We are 319 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 4: really great to grateful to get these. So this next 320 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 4: one is from somebody who has a toddler who is 321 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 4: almost three and a half, which I have one as well, 322 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 4: so I know the stage twelve. And this person says, 323 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 4: this toddler always wants or expects me to be involved 324 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 4: in her play on some level. I don't know how 325 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 4: this happened or how to kindly set the boundary that. 326 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: Play is for children. 327 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 4: If I don't play with her, she gets into whatever 328 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 4: I'm doing, and that's no better. So the question is 329 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 4: how to establish independent play with kids. I just don't 330 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 4: remember this being an issue. When I was young, kids played, 331 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 4: adults didn't. That's just the way it was. There's certainly 332 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 4: more emphasis today on intentional connection with children. I think 333 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 4: that's great, but now I can't seem to get my 334 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 4: kid to do without it. Well, it's funny because I 335 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 4: don't think you remember being three and a half, so 336 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 4: I'm not sure that this is. 337 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 3: It's like, well, when I was that age, nobody expected 338 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 3: their parents to play with them. You very well might 339 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 3: have if you just don't remember, because your memories are 340 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 3: when you were more like seven and eight, and then 341 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 3: by that point you may have been more developmentally able 342 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 3: to play about yourself. I also noticed that there is 343 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 3: no mention of sibling, and I will say a three 344 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 3: and a half year old might be more likely to 345 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 3: like play if there was also a five and a 346 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 3: half year old playing with them, because I have often 347 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 3: found that two kids can be easier than one depending 348 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 3: on the scenario, and if you're trying to get them 349 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 3: to play with some toy, that might be a scenario 350 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 3: where like actually having more than one of them in 351 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 3: the same place at the same time could be helpful. 352 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean. 353 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 4: Keep your eye expectations low for age three and a 354 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 4: half because you can't even like leave them alone right 355 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 4: at this age. I mean, you know, like certain safe 356 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 4: rooms in your house, I guess, but you can't like 357 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 4: like with this even if they are playing independently. I 358 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 4: mean it's because you want to like wash the dishes 359 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 4: while they're playing at the kitchen table, so it's not 360 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 4: like you can go far away and do stuff. So 361 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 4: I think you were suggesting like setting a timer for 362 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 4: like telling them you'll play this for five minutes and 363 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 4: then Mommy's going to finish the dishes while you play 364 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 4: more with it or something like that. 365 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 3: Correct, And I do agree with you, Like what you're 366 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 3: getting at is like it's not gonna be like I'm 367 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 3: gonna play with you for five minutes and I'm gonna 368 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 3: sit down and write an hour long legal brief while 369 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 3: you like play with three legos on the floor. 370 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: Like that's that's not going to happen. 371 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 3: It'd be so nice and like in the movies it 372 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 3: does happen, but in reality it doesn't. But I think 373 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: sometimes giving that time limit and actually setting the alarm 374 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 3: like on your watch, your phone so they hear it like, Okay, 375 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 3: I had that, and then now it's time for me 376 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 3: to try by myself. That might like that little head 377 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 3: start might help them. I will say, like having some 378 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 3: novel toys can be great, Like if you really want 379 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 3: them to play quietly, you know, getting out some little 380 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: set that they've never seen before is going to be 381 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: more likely to hold their attention, even if you're kind 382 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 3: of rotating things. 383 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 2: In and out. 384 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 3: And even though I don't love messy toys like I 385 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 3: don't allow kinetic sand in my house, I will say 386 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 3: that the somewhat messier toys somehow often are more appealing, 387 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 3: like Plato. If you're not usually giving them Plato, but 388 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 3: you want them to play independently and you want them 389 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 3: you know you're just going to clean it up afterwards, 390 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 3: you might want to just give them a couple jars 391 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 3: and toys and let them have ab. 392 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 2: It, have at it. Yeah. 393 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 4: I don't like Plato either, but Henry got a big 394 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 4: Plato set for Christmas that he then, I mean he 395 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 4: literally played by himself for forty five minutes with it. 396 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 2: So if it is new, it is interesting. 397 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 4: At a novel, they very well may be willing to 398 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 4: try it out, just you know, again, keep your expectations low. 399 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 400 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 2: I don't like the kinetic sand either. 401 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 4: Although Henry and I were watching when we were on 402 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 4: vacation recently and you know, looking for something to do. 403 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 4: Watched a YouTube video of people making molds of kinetic 404 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 4: sand and then slow seeing it. It was very satisfying. 405 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 4: I got to say, the slicing of the kinetic sand, 406 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 4: something about the texture being cut up. 407 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 2: You could like, let your eleven year old play with it. 408 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, she would probably keep it super neat and the 409 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 3: little piles and it wouldn't get anywhere, and she could 410 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 3: slice it. But otherwise I half year old was playing 411 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 3: with it. I don't think it's just doing a lot 412 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 3: of vacuuming, all right. Next one, templates. So this is 413 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 3: a fun question and it made me think a little bit. 414 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 3: What are some templates? I say templates. You say template 415 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 3: a template? 416 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: I say template. 417 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 3: Well, either way, she writes, Laura has talked about dinner, 418 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 3: but anything else outfits. For example, what are things you've 419 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 3: decided once? And that decided once phrase I always hear 420 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 3: in the context of Kendra Adochi, the lazy genius. We'll 421 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 3: give her some credit for that. I feel like I 422 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 3: have more routines than templates in my life. However, well, 423 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 3: that's an interesting question. What is the semantic difference between 424 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 3: template and routine. I kind of think of routine as 425 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 3: more of a shorter, like a daily kind of thing, 426 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 3: you know, like you do it the same exact, same 427 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 3: exact way, whereas a template is an idea of what 428 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 3: you would generally do to make decisions easier, and it's 429 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 3: your default and you don't have to do it, but you, 430 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 3: I mean, you don't have to do your routines either, 431 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 3: So I don't know who knows how you would define this. 432 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 3: So this list I was referring to our idea that 433 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 3: we generally were having breakfast for dinner on Wednesdays, make 434 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 3: your own pizza on Fridays. I have to say that 435 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 3: template has. 436 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 4: Kind of changed, and recently we have had one parent 437 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 4: gone on Wednesday night for a series of weeks, and 438 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 4: the parent who's home has not always wanted to cook 439 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 4: breakfast for dinner. And you know, the kids can help 440 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 4: with it too, but sometimes breakfast for dinner night has 441 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 4: become order pizza night and then make your own pizza. 442 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 4: Has moved around as the kid who really likes it 443 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 4: isn't always there on Friday night, and so it's just 444 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 4: you know, other people are just whining about it if 445 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 4: it's there, and then he's whining that he doesn't have it. 446 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: So it's nothing lasts forever. We'll put it that way. 447 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 4: So even the best routine or template may need to shift. 448 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 4: But yeah, what do you have in terms of a template. 449 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I was thinking about like vacation tumbles, and 450 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 3: I was actually thinking them on a much more global scale, 451 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 3: Like every year that comes around, I kind of know 452 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 3: I want to have like a summer trip and a 453 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 3: winter trip, and like one trip that's active. So there's 454 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 3: sort of like a template in my global planning family trips. 455 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 3: You had more of a zoomed in vacation template in 456 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 3: terms of like how you like to structure your days. 457 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, so we probably do something similar with the If 458 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 4: you think about when our travel slots are, we generally 459 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 4: have done one week in early summer, more around July fourth, 460 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 4: because that's an easy time to take off, and particularly 461 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 4: if it's in the middle of the week a lot 462 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 4: of people are gone anyway. End of August, Christmas and 463 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 4: then spring break, like those are four major travel slots 464 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 4: so you know, you don't have to do something big 465 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 4: or pricey for each of them, but you want to 466 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 4: at least take advantage of that time that the kids 467 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 4: do have off school on any given like vacation day. 468 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 4: So if we've gone somewhere and are staying there, like 469 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 4: we're not out touring every day or something like that. 470 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 4: Like if we're at a beach, generally what we do 471 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 4: is go do something in the morning, like go to 472 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 4: the beach or you know, or somewhere else. Go out 473 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 4: you can ski, I guess I've heard that, come back 474 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 4: for two hours or so after lunch to have a 475 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 4: little bit of screen or rest or whatever, and then 476 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 4: go do something else in the late afternoon. So that 477 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 4: might be going to the pool or going back to 478 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 4: the beach, or going on a little excursion or something 479 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 4: like that. And then you come back for dinner. Then 480 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 4: after dinner you just you know, have your downtime again 481 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 4: or go out for ice cream or whatever it is 482 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 4: that you want to do before bed. So yeah, if 483 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 4: you have a general sense of what a vacation day 484 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 4: looks like, especially with kids who are younger, that helps 485 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 4: make the time not feel quite so amorphous. 486 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 2: So I think that's helpful. 487 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 3: I would say that we do lots of sort of 488 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 3: templates when we do our annual planning, even when we 489 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 3: do our episode, we tend to do different categories that 490 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 3: we use every time. 491 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 2: So that's another context which templates come into play. 492 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 3: And it wear a lot more scrubs, which maybe they're 493 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 3: maybe that's a routine, but like I decided that every 494 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 3: Friday and every Callday I wear scrubs, and so that 495 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 3: like makes my outfit selection really easy a lot of 496 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 3: the time at work. 497 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 4: Now, yeah, I mean, I obviously do not wear scrubs, 498 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 4: but I have. 499 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 2: Kind of hit upon certain shapes of shirts. 500 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 4: I guess I would say that I like, So I 501 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 4: have all these kellneck sweaters that I wear. Some of 502 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 4: them suffered from the Great Moth infestation, so I had 503 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 4: to get rid of them. So then this winter I 504 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 4: wound up just buying a bunch of long sleeve, longer 505 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 4: shirts from Amazon and different colors that I liked that 506 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 4: I could just wear with jeans. This summer, I bought 507 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 4: a couple of longer tunic like tank tops. I have 508 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 4: a little keyhole neck. I have those in several colors now, 509 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 4: so I wear them with leggings or shorts, and honestly, 510 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 4: that's you know, you can make a whole outfit, like 511 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 4: a whole wardrobe of buying these not so pricey shirts 512 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 4: off Amazon. And I have gotten some listener feedback that 513 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 4: they would like me to mention that it would be 514 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 4: healthier for the environment, to sustain ability and all that 515 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 4: to buy fewer clothes that it were better made. 516 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 2: But my problem is if my stuff just winds up. 517 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 4: Getting trashed some way or another, if it's either my 518 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 4: kids or it's like a laundry mishap or like when 519 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 4: we had the moth problem. And so I'm like, well, 520 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 4: it's going to be expensive clothes in the landfill. It's 521 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 4: gonna be my cheap clothes in the landfill. So one, 522 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 4: you know, I have more money at least in the 523 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 4: in the second version. So I'm sorry, but that's what 524 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 4: I wound up happening. 525 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 3: And you've decided to donate the difference donate the Yes, exactly. 526 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 3: I you know there are there are some great charities 527 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 3: I support to that do nature work. So yes, if 528 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 3: I'm feeling more flesh, maybe they'll get more money. 529 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: No, we got it, We get it. 530 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 4: I mean, we totally get I'm joking about it, but 531 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 4: I I just want to, you know, put out there 532 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 4: that there are different ways too it because I went 533 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 4: through a whole thing of thinking I wanted to buy fewer, 534 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 4: nicer clothes, and that was great, but then you know, 535 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 4: I would feel even worse when my kids spilled something 536 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 4: on it or I spilled something on it. 537 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 3: My good feeling is you don't buy a ton of 538 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: clothes period. That is also true, like you're not buying 539 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 3: a new fast fashioned word or every three months and 540 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 3: throwing it out and getting a new one. 541 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 2: Now. 542 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 4: No, I literally bought five of those Amazon shirts and 543 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 4: then just washed them every week and then wear them 544 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 4: again months and yeah, more than for months. 545 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's all in a spectrum. But okay, that templates. 546 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 4: That was templates, all right, So oh well, I guess 547 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 4: you should read this next question. 548 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 3: Yes, okay, So I well, I'm just gonna tell the story. 549 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 3: So I made an offhand comment on one of our episodes, 550 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 3: or no, I think it was on a blog post 551 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 3: where I was like, we had a really turbulent flight. 552 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 3: But I visualized what Laura told me, which was like, 553 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 3: it's just you're shaking in a bowl of jello and 554 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 3: somehow that analogy that like that's all the turbulent turbulence 555 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 3: is is like you know, because of the way like 556 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 3: Bernoulli's principle works, and like that, you're completely safe. And 557 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 3: it's it's just as if you have a bowl of 558 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 3: jello and a little toy plane in it and it's 559 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 3: being shaking and you're completely fine, like nothing's gonna happen 560 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 3: to a little reason submerged tweet a bowl of cello 561 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 3: or whatever, and that that just like I don't know, 562 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:55,719 Speaker 3: it like struck a chord with me, and obviously when 563 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 3: I wrote it struck a chord with others. 564 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 2: So Laura, where did you come up with that? 565 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 3: And also any other plane or airport tips for nervous flyers? Yeah, 566 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 3: it's agree. 567 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I that's funny because I read that somewhere 568 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 4: and it must have been some pilot blog or whatever 569 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 4: it was that they maybe it was tips for nervous 570 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 4: flyers or whatever. What is you know what is turbulence like? 571 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 4: And the truth is, yes, you are not in any 572 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 4: more danger with it as long as you are sitting 573 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 4: in your seat with your seatbelt on. Where you have 574 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 4: the problem is like people decide to get up and 575 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 4: walk around when their plane is shaking, and then they 576 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 4: bunk their heads or trip into the service card or. 577 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 2: Something like that. 578 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 4: But you know, the plane itself is not going anywhere 579 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 4: like it. That is the image to keep in mind. 580 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 4: And if you're worried like the plane is going to 581 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 4: fall out of the sky like it isn't it's not. 582 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 2: That's not how flying works. And in fact that. 583 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 4: Military and cargo planes tend to fly straight through it 584 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 4: because nobody on those flights cares, whereas it's the commercial 585 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 4: airlines that they try to go around it. Not because 586 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 4: the pilots or the flight crew care or that it's 587 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 4: a hard part for the plane is because you're sitting 588 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 4: there and they don't want you mad, right, and so 589 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 4: that's why they're trying to go around it, not because 590 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 4: it's it's a problem. So anyway, that's just a little 591 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 4: turbulent discussion. I think it also just helps if you 592 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 4: are nervous about flying, to do two things. One focus 593 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 4: that you have to do this to get where you're going, 594 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 4: Like there are certain places you cannot get to without flying. 595 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 4: I mean you could, I guess on a very long 596 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 4: the world boat ride but that would be even worse 597 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 4: in some ways if you know with the weather and 598 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 4: the seasickness that you could get and how long it 599 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 4: would take. So if you're trying to go somewhere, you 600 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 4: can focus on that place and like how you really 601 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 4: want to be there, and then how most flights are 602 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 4: just not that long in the grand scheme of things. 603 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 4: There are very few places you are flying that are 604 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 4: going to be more than I mean, the longest fight 605 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 4: the world is like eighteen hours. 606 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 2: So most of the time you're less than. 607 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 4: A work day, right, and if you think about how 608 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 4: many work days have passed in your life, like you're 609 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 4: going to get through this, you can count if you're nervous, 610 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 4: like just count through, Like I know that I have 611 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 4: another hour and a half in this flight. If I 612 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 4: count to sixty thirty more times, I've gotten through a 613 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 4: lot of it. Most of the time, you'll be through 614 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 4: the turbulence by the end of that anyway, because it 615 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 4: tends to be more intermittent than anything else. So yeah, 616 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 4: I think that's and you have upbeat play music like 617 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 4: I would listen to. I mean, I don't like flying either, 618 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 4: but you know it's just if you have to do it. 619 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 4: I would listen to a lot of Taylor Swift music 620 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 4: or Katy Perry or stuff that's very upbeat and happy, 621 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 4: and then you know that takes your mind off it 622 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 4: and off if you're just trying to get through it. 623 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 2: Like each song is. 624 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 4: Three minutes, so you listen to ten of them and 625 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 4: you are through what most patches of turbulence would buy 626 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 4: any ween spee. 627 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 2: I love it. 628 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 3: I also like to do and this is very similar 629 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 3: to your counting we had. Actually I want to give 630 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 3: a shout out to any pilots listening. I love it 631 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 3: when they tell you that there's turbulence and like give 632 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 3: you an estimate for how long. Like I think that's 633 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 3: just so nice. Like when they're like, okay, we're just 634 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 3: you know, we're expecting some moderate turbulence and maybe even 635 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 3: if it's like a wide range thirty to sixty minutes, 636 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 3: you're like. 637 00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: Okay, I know I can't get through that. 638 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 3: But I also like doing like kind of accounting while 639 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 3: you breathe, Like I'm almost like a box breathing thing 640 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 3: where you've written for four and they hold it because 641 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 3: you can't. You can't, like you can't you your auto 642 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 3: you're like I don't know, sympathetic nervous system can't totally 643 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 3: fire if you're focusing so hard on doing something calm 644 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 3: or at least for me that words. 645 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 2: So I think it's similar to the counting. 646 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that also if you just the 647 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 4: more you do it, like the more you're used to it, 648 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 4: you get because I mean, if you're gonna then take 649 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 4: a job where you're flying every week for work, like 650 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 4: you just couldn't be nervous about it anymore, Like it 651 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 4: just would ruin your life if you were. 652 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 3: So I think about that a lot too, Like I'm like, 653 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 3: you know, it's the pilot and the people were working 654 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 3: on the plane, like this is their job to do 655 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 3: it every day. If it were dangerous, they wouldn't be 656 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 3: doing that job. Like this is literally their everyday boring 657 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 3: existence and so it has to be safe. 658 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, Okay, So this one is also related 659 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 4: to travel. This person says, I would love your best 660 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 4: packing tips for car trips and house rentals, Like, well, not, okay, 661 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 4: we'll go with a house rental so you're somewhere so 662 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 4: you're not trying to get everything into your carry ons 663 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 4: for plane. 664 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 2: I guess it's her idea for beach vacation or houses. 665 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 2: It always seems so much harder to pack for it 666 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 2: than they should be. 667 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 4: I agree that this should not be hard because if 668 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 4: you are going to most places that you are a 669 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 4: like driving to, so you don't have to really think 670 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 4: through what you're packing. It's not got to get into 671 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 4: a certain number of suitcases necessarily, although you don't want 672 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 4: to overpack your car, like because there's no reason to 673 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 4: take anyway. They're going to be equipped, Like a vacation 674 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 4: rental house is going to have a frying pan, right 675 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 4: like you don't need yours. It's going to have a spatula. 676 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 4: It's going to have glasses and plates. It's going to 677 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 4: you know, if it's a good one, it's probably gonna 678 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 4: have stuff like grilling equipment. It's probably going to have 679 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 4: all sorts of things you may not have even thought of. 680 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 4: I once got a new kind of griddle after renting 681 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 4: a house that had a pretty cool one. 682 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 2: So one thing I would put there is like read the. 683 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 4: Reviews, Like if you're on Airbnb or vrbo, like just 684 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 4: make sure that you are getting a place that has 685 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 4: some designation that it is run by somebody who's doing this. 686 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 3: Pretty much professionally right that they rent this out all 687 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 3: the time as opposed to not, because then you're more 688 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 3: likely to have a fully equipped house with anything that 689 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 3: you are probably going to need other than your own 690 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 3: personal toilet tries, clothes, and anything like you personally can't 691 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 3: live without, like if you want to have your device 692 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 3: or your laptop, or your kids have a certain stuffed 693 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 3: animal or books they want to read that those you tick. 694 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 3: And then always remember that you can go to the store. 695 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 3: So usually our first step when we arrive anywhere like 696 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 3: a beach house is to actually do like a fun 697 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 3: family trip to the grocery store. We try to make 698 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 3: the thing like, oh, you can get like the crazy 699 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 3: cereals that we don't generally have at home. 700 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 2: And stuff like that. 701 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 3: And then before you go, you can take a look 702 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 3: around and make sure that you know there's like sort 703 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 3: of do you have the dish show, like all the 704 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 3: things that you kind of can't live without, toilet paper, 705 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 3: make sure you do a little toilet paper audit, et cetera. 706 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 3: And then you kind of stock things up. And then 707 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 3: laundry also makes it less stressful when you're staying at 708 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 3: a house of some kind because you really only need 709 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 3: a couple of itumfit's then freeze person really and then 710 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 3: you can plan on giving some wash. So I will 711 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 3: say that also when I am packing, I really need 712 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 3: everyone to leave me alone in an activity where I 713 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 3: find it very difficult to pack while I'm being constantly interrupted. 714 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 3: So I will say, give yourself the time and space 715 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 3: to actually do it. It'll go ten times faster if 716 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 3: you're just doing that and nothing else. 717 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I would also say you might want 718 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 2: to stretch it. 719 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 4: I mean, you can pack last minute if you need to, 720 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 4: So if you've got a quick turnaround for whatever reason, 721 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 4: that's fine. But I find it's helpful to be almost 722 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 4: completely packed at least one day before, because then that 723 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 4: gives you time to think through what did I not pack, 724 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 4: or you know, go get anything that you realize that 725 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 4: you would really like to have. But again, you know, 726 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 4: unless you're renting a cabin in the woods where there 727 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 4: isn't stuff nearby, which you know, I'm assuming this is 728 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 4: like your standard beach town rental here or ski town 729 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 4: rental or something like that, there's going to be a 730 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 4: grocery store, there's going to be a pharmacy. There are 731 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 4: going to be clothing stores most likely, like you are 732 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 4: going to be able to get at anything that you forgot, 733 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 4: So I would sort of err on the side. 734 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 3: Of underpacking versus overpacking in these circumstances. It also just 735 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 3: makes it easier to get everything out of your car 736 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 3: and back in at the end and not have your 737 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 3: kids be mad because the suitcase is about to fall 738 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 3: on their head from the backseat. 739 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 2: Well, that is it. That's it for our Q and A. 740 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 3: I was going through and I thought there was another page, 741 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 3: but we are going to save them so we can 742 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 3: do another amazing mailbag episode in your future, as well 743 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 3: as save some of these fresh questions for Q and 744 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 3: A's in our other episodes. But you should keep them 745 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 3: coming because it's always fun to answer the questions that 746 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 3: come in. 747 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's exciting to be able to do an 748 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 4: episode live. We do a couple of these a year, 749 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 4: so we past couple of years. I come to Florida 750 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 4: when it's cold in March or February and then in November, 751 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 4: and Sarah's usually up here at some point in the 752 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 4: summer because her parents live crazily enough about five miles 753 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 4: from my house. So it's really random that that happened. 754 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 4: Very convenient, but very convenient. So here we are in 755 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 4: Philly having a grand alt. So yeah, we'll be back 756 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 4: next week with more on making work and life fit together. 757 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 2: What about our love of the week. Oh, our love 758 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 2: of the. 759 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 4: Week, Well, okay, I guess I mean our love of 760 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 4: the week is our live recording sessions, isn't it? 761 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 2: Of course? 762 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 3: And yes, I do love our live recording sessions. I'll 763 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 3: give a shout out to Learning Express toy store. 764 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 2: I don't think we have. 765 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 3: I guess it's a chain, but we just went to 766 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 3: it today and I was like, this is a really 767 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 3: nice toy store. Go. Learning Express, not a sponsor, had 768 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 3: a good experience today. 769 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, so my husband was apparently shopping at random. There's 770 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 4: called like Wild Fork or something that's across from the 771 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 4: place where Jasper was getting his haircut this afternoon, which 772 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 4: for one thing shout out to like haircuttery having an 773 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 4: app that you can just schedule haircuts, like instead of 774 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 4: having to call up or like go and wait to 775 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 4: you just put it in and you're in and out. 776 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 4: And yeah, Michael went to this place called Wildfort. This 777 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 4: sold crazy meats, like, you know, high end meats of 778 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 4: various varieties. He wound up buying lobster tails, which is nice. 779 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 4: But you could buy Elk medallions or whatever. 780 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 2: I don't know. That'd be another cool store to hang 781 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 2: out in. I guess totally not for our Terrance, but 782 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 2: anyone else. 783 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 4: All right now, this is the end of the episode. 784 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 4: We'll be back next week with more on making work 785 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 4: and life fit together. 786 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 787 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 3: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 788 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:17,479 Speaker 3: and you. 789 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This 790 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join 791 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 1: us next time for more on making work and life 792 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: work together.