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Speaker 2: You know, my husband and I have that debate. Who

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Speaker 1: I learn a lot from my dog and from my child,

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Speaker 1: does seem to love me unconditionally. I seem to have

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it's a female thing too.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it is a female thing.

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Speaker 4: Hello, I'm mini driver. I've always loved Proust's questionnaire. It

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Speaker 4: was originally in nineteenth century parlor game where players would

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Speaker 4: ask each other thirty five questions aimed at revealing the

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Speaker 3: In asking different.

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Speaker 4: People the same set of questions, you can make observations

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Speaker 4: asked these questions as conversation starters. So I adapted Pru's

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Speaker 4: personally think are pertinent to a person's story. They are

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Speaker 4: when and where were you happiest. What is the quality

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Speaker 4: What question would you most like answered, What person, place,

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Speaker 4: your life that's grown out of a personal disaster? And

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Speaker 4: I've gathered a group of really remarkable people, ones that

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Speaker 4: I am honored and humbled to have had the chance

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Speaker 4: to engage with. You may not hear their answers to

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Speaker 4: all seven of these questions. We've whittled it down to

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Speaker 4: which questions felt closest to their experience, or the most surprising,

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Speaker 4: or created the most fertile ground to connect. My guest

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Speaker 4: Governor Whitmer is an open, articulate, fantastically strong public servant.

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Speaker 4: I like that term better than politician because there's an

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Speaker 4: I think Governor Whitmer also exemplifies. I was really excited

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Speaker 4: ask is it going to be okay, to which she replied, yes,

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Speaker 4: so few. She said, in politics and in moments like this,

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Speaker 4: we just have to remain resilient and forward facing. There

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Speaker 4: painful memories from her life, her attempt at kidnapping and

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Speaker 4: voice exists in the American political arena today. Governor Whitman's book,

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Speaker 4: True Gritch What I've Learned about Life, leadership, and everything

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Speaker 1: Would you tell me where and when you were happiest?

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Speaker 2: I love the question because I reflected, you know, on

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Speaker 2: You know, you always hear those stories about people that

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Speaker 2: That real estate between your two ears, my father always says,

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Speaker 3: It's a discipline. It feels like a profound spiritual practice.

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Speaker 1: And what would you counter with, you know, in those

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Speaker 2: I really believe that that practice has helped me navigate

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Speaker 1: I mean, oh my gosh, If you're doing that from

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Speaker 1: Idea that you can keep things grossroots in a way

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Speaker 2: do think what happens after this life, That's a question

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's I think what's interesting is

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Speaker 1: We allow ourselves to be as present in this life,

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Speaker 1: It can sound pejorative, you're dust, and then it can

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Speaker 2: And I thought, I'm going to give people reasons why

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Speaker 5: Too, which was crazy.

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Speaker 5: In fact, everyone benefits from it.

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Speaker 2: But I do think that there are people with their

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Speaker 3: Do you think that that's that? Really?

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Speaker 1: That people will sadly learn the hard way. They'll learn

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Speaker 2: I don't savor the thought, but I think that's probably true.

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Speaker 2: this is what the people have asked for, and now

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Speaker 2: I don't like that philosophy. It feels so cynical and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm in complete agreement. It's been one

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Speaker 2: You use the right word. You said, fear, and that

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Speaker 2: People to pull away from one another, and love brings

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Speaker 2: us together.

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Speaker 1: It also feels that love itself has been redefined and

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Speaker 1: divided in a way, the idea of what is loved

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Speaker 1: and how does one heal that in this weird like

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Speaker 1: because it feels like we're in a kind of post

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Speaker 1: truth reality where all of the guardrails around fact and

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Speaker 1: up for grabs, Whereas I feel like it used to

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Speaker 1: be something that we all agreed on what love felt like,

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Speaker 1: and now it feels like it's been co opted for

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Speaker 1: a lot of different reasons. Do you think there is

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Speaker 1: a way of getting back to a collective idea of

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Speaker 1: what love might be, which is kindness to each other

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Speaker 5: I do, I absolutely do. I couldn't. I couldn't do

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Speaker 5: this work.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to do this work if I didn't

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Speaker 2: really believe that in my core. I'm sober about how

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Speaker 2: difficult it is and showing up, continuing to make the

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Speaker 2: choice to show up. I understand the inclination to want

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Speaker 2: to turn away, which a lot of people are feeling

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Speaker 2: right now because it does feel so heavy and overwhelming

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Speaker 2: and how do you fix all the misinformation in the world,

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Speaker 2: Like it's just huge and hard and heavy. But I

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Speaker 2: also have found in my own life pulling away is

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Speaker 2: the worst thing I can do. I feel worse.

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Speaker 5: I need to be in it, And I'm encouraging people

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Speaker 5: not to not to look away, but to say what

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Speaker 5: can I do today? And each of us can play

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Speaker 5: a role in that without a doubt, and important.

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Speaker 3: Role absolutely.

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Speaker 1: What relationship, real or fictionalized defines love for you?

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Speaker 2: You know, I love my kids more than anything on

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Speaker 2: the planet, my daughters, who I think have taught me

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Speaker 2: so much. And I think that acceptance that comes that

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Speaker 2: unconditional love. I never knew what it meant until I

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Speaker 2: had children, And so I think that is the ideal

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Speaker 2: scenario for what a relationship should look like, is complete

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Speaker 2: acceptance and without condition.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's possible outside of children, because like

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Speaker 1: we quite literally made them and in a way fashion

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Speaker 1: that when they're little, when they're tiny, we are like

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Speaker 1: these good creatures who fashion sort of what they do

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Speaker 1: and think, like do you think that it's really possible

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Speaker 1: outside of an animal, because I would put dogs in

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Speaker 1: the same category of unconditional love. Do you think that

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Speaker 1: that we as people are able to to love unconditionally?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, my husband and I have

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Speaker 2: that debate. He always tells me I'm his soulmate. He's

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Speaker 2: a romantic and I'm less of a romantic. And it's

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Speaker 2: a well, but it's it's it's not unconditional unless it's

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Speaker 2: your child. Adult relationship is different, but I think it

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Speaker 2: can be. I just think it's it's not innate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's it. It's something that you have to

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Speaker 1: work at. Yes, yeah, I wonder about that. I think

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Speaker 1: maybe it's just it's worth it's worth thinking about and

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Speaker 1: working on. I learn a lot from my dog and

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Speaker 1: from my child, yes, I mean, and from my boyfriend too,

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Speaker 1: who he does seem to love me unconditionally. I seem

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Speaker 1: to have a lot more conditions. Maybe maybe it's a

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Speaker 1: fee too, Maybe it is a female thing. What would

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Speaker 1: be your last meal?

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Speaker 2: Well, it would be it would make no sense. It's

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Speaker 2: not like it all goes together. But I would want

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Speaker 2: my grandma Esther's rolls. She used to make them from scratch,

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Speaker 2: and I looked forward to it every Thanksgiving and Christmas.

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Speaker 2: My father's homemade ice cream delicious. We used to hand

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Speaker 2: creak it as a kid, and then, of course we've

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Speaker 2: gotten much better, easier ice cream makers over the years,

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Speaker 2: but he makes phenomenal ice cream.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, it would be a totally curb meal.

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Speaker 3: Let me get this straight. It would be rolls and

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Speaker 3: ice cream. I love it. I absolutely love it. Do

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Speaker 3: you know we used to do this thing.

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Speaker 1: It was at someone else's house. It wasn't my mother,

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Speaker 1: but they would put cream in a jar and through

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Speaker 1: the whole of this night, this jar would go around.

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Speaker 1: Everyone would like, jiggle this jar, and jiggle this jar,

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Speaker 1: and jiggle as jar, and all.

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Speaker 3: The kids would do it.

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Speaker 1: Everyone would riggle the jar, and by the end of

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Speaker 1: the evening it.

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Speaker 3: Had turned into butter.

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Speaker 1: And that was the most delicious thing that I have

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Speaker 1: ever eaten. Although it felt like I was hungry again

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Speaker 1: by the end because I'd burnt so many calories with

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Speaker 1: the jiggling of the jar. But there's something about homemade

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Speaker 1: food that is epic. Do you know how to make

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Speaker 1: both of those things?

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Speaker 3: Out of interest?

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Speaker 1: Can you make those rolls and can you make that

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Speaker 1: ice cream?

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Speaker 5: We've been working on the rolls.

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Speaker 2: My sister has perfected it thankfully, and yes, my dad

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Speaker 2: is still alive and we all have the recipe and.

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Speaker 3: It's so delicious.

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Speaker 1: How amazing when I love that that, I love that

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Speaker 1: that continues. I am so grateful to you for giving

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Speaker 1: your time, but for being a voice in our democracy

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Speaker 1: at this current moment. There are a few people who

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Speaker 1: I will go and listen to when I'm feeling down

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Speaker 1: about the state of the world, and you are one

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Speaker 1: of them. So thanks, thank you so much for your

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Speaker 1: time and your wisdom, and I just wish you all

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Speaker 1: the best in everything.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: It was an honor to be on your podcast with you,

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Speaker 2: the world through this and everything else you do.

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