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Speaker 1: Podcast Network. I am Chad moment. It's Thursday, which means

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Speaker 1: it is time to narrow down the NFL board. Me

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Speaker 1: and my bff, my companion, my compadre Professional Better Simon Hunter.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna do. We're trying to narrow down

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Speaker 1: the board to get to the five, six, seven picks

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Speaker 1: that we love. Come Sunday morning, those will be our

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Speaker 1: winning Action Network app. Sione will also share them on Twitter. Simon,

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Speaker 1: Action Network app. Such an interesting week, Simon, how are

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Speaker 1: you buddy? Good buddy? Yeah, this is uh, this is

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Speaker 1: an ugly week, but it's one of those weeks I

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Speaker 1: kind of love where I opened up my you know,

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Speaker 1: my different apps today night I saw these lines and

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Speaker 1: I was like, uh, and now here we're on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, man, I kind of love these games.

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Speaker 1: So that's usually how it goes with these uh week

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Speaker 1: five weeks six kind of bets. Yeah, I've been thinking

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Speaker 1: the same thing, Like Sunday night, Monday morning, I didn't

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Speaker 1: like anything, and now all of a sudden, I'm seeing

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Speaker 1: opportunities galore. I want to remind people we've been talking

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Speaker 1: about this book, It's Better to Be Feared on the

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Speaker 1: podcast for the past few months. Uh. Seth Wickersham wrote it.

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Speaker 1: It's about the Patriots dynasty, Brady Belichick craft. I'm saying

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Speaker 1: this as a seven time author, four time bestseller. Chad

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Speaker 1: Milman wrote a book. It's as good as sports book

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Speaker 1: as you were going to read. We had Seth in

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Speaker 1: the podcast. He's gonna come up later in the show.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about it signing, and I spoke to

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Speaker 1: him what was really interesting to me and why I

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Speaker 1: think Betters would be interested in this. He in the

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Speaker 1: book he talks a lot about mental strength, mental training, discipline,

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Speaker 1: all the things that Tom Brady has built his career on.

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Speaker 1: I think there's some credible opportunity to hear about that.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot to discuss, Like we said, that

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Speaker 1: um the big balls bet of the week, we will

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Speaker 1: get to a money line parlay the foxhold game from

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Speaker 1: more depth. Our Simon says game was the Giants meeting.

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Speaker 1: Just go bet it right away. That line has already

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that too, and told the people

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Speaker 1: Go to the favorite podcast, subscribe and download on Tuesdays.

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Speaker 1: What can we do? People were giving these numbers out

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Subscribe to the show and download the show

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Man, before we get to anything else, we

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Speaker 1: gotta do sharp calls. Hello, who's there? I'm talking the Simon.

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Speaker 1: Please tell us the calls you received this week from

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Speaker 1: They hate me that I didn't say I love the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: Apparently this has to be one of our five chat

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Speaker 1: tell me I'm an amateur, that I'm a coward, that

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Speaker 1: now since two thousand three NFL underdogs coming off of

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Speaker 1: They have historically been these guys who break the rules. Right.

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Speaker 1: You want to back Sean Payton off of a loss.

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Speaker 1: That's what our goal is eight hundred sixty third time.

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Speaker 1: But there are anomalies because those guys also had Drew

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Speaker 1: So now we're really going to find out this year.

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Speaker 1: Are these numbers because of the coaches in their scheme

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Speaker 1: That's why I like, I'm happy now if we do

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Speaker 1: research and feeling more and more comfortable with the Browns.

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Speaker 1: That's hilarious. I was. I love the Browns in this

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Speaker 1: position just because I love their defense and I just

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Speaker 1: love the way they've been playing and how this game

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Speaker 1: was gonna set up. But I can't do with the

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Speaker 1: Baker injury, because again, I the reason I like the

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Speaker 1: brown so much wasn't because of Baker, was because of

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Speaker 1: their running style and how it's going to perform against

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Speaker 1: this Chargers defense. You've literally tied the team with an

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Speaker 1: arm behind their back. So all we need to do

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Speaker 1: for the Chargers just stacked the box and try to

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Speaker 1: make Baker with one arm pass against us, which again

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Speaker 1: it's just throwing arm that got injured, I believe. So

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, chat like that's the thing. Like the

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Speaker 1: pros that reached out to me, they love this number

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Speaker 1: and they're saying we should take this up to three.

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Speaker 1: That's my job, Like, it's my job isn't to just

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Speaker 1: be so into my own system. I don't listen anyone else.

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Speaker 1: It's the when I get this information and pass it

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Speaker 1: along and said, you know what, I was missing something here.

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Speaker 1: Sure enough, it came out today that Baker had the injury.

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Speaker 1: So that's the thing. I don't have the resources a

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Speaker 1: lot of these old time guys have When they're reaching

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Speaker 1: out to me, they're giving me information. I need to

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Speaker 1: really listen to it because Ibs they're hitting it from,

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Speaker 1: you know, good information themselves. So I don't like doing it,

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Speaker 1: but I'm with you. This is like now becoming one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite players. If we haven't banged up Baker

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Speaker 1: Mayfield going against arguably a top three defense and the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: We have to take the charges here, don't we. Well,

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Speaker 1: the problem is even if the Chargers stacked the box,

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Speaker 1: their run defense is terrible. That's the that is the

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Speaker 1: one thing we know the Browns will be able to do.

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Speaker 1: So I love them. You love them because you're saying

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Speaker 1: the Browns will be one dimensional and the Chargers have

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Speaker 1: a chance to only focus on doing that. Love the

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Speaker 1: Browns coming in just because of that run game, the

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Speaker 1: fact that that that's all that Daily needs to prep

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Speaker 1: for now against this team, that's just again it ships

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Speaker 1: it back to the Chargers where this is just a

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Speaker 1: big advantage, especially now they know that Baker's hurt, like

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Speaker 1: that's out in public information now. It's it's just a

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Speaker 1: bad it's just a bad set up for this Browns team.

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Speaker 1: So are we saying we want to put the Chargers

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Speaker 1: in Yeah? Wow, Oh my goodness, all right, I love that.

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Speaker 1: We are making a wise guy play here. We are

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Speaker 1: making the wise guy play because this is what the

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Speaker 1: guides in Vegas are telling us to do. I can't

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Speaker 1: believe it. Those are the games that we all that

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Speaker 1: that we talked about the most Dolphins, Texans, Giants, Chargers, Bengals,

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals game roaring back right now, there are

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Speaker 1: five am I am I misinterpreting anything. I like that far.

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Speaker 1: Five Bills Chiefs. You said you like the Chiefs of

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Speaker 1: two and a half. We like the Bills at three

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Speaker 1: and a half. If it's on three, then there's no

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Speaker 1: the Bills in this spot. Of course they do. Everyone

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Speaker 1: loves the fucking Bills on the spot set. The Bills

484
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Speaker 1: have looked better, they've played better, they have the better offense.

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Speaker 1: The Bills. Make something your hand on, something's out, throw

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Speaker 1: your hand back the Bills. I'm making it happen. Man,

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Speaker 1: that you can attest to it. Josh Allen just has

488
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Speaker 1: not looked right yet this year. Again, their team has

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Speaker 1: been winning, but he's had little hiccups, like again that

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Speaker 1: game they started against Houston, his first pass was interception.

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Speaker 1: You just had little things like that where I love

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Speaker 1: Josh and I love this Bills team. I think they

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Speaker 1: are much better this year. I thought they were gonna

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Speaker 1: because I thought he would have a major Russian and

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, but that team has just built so smart

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Speaker 1: with so many weapons that they're gonna be fine this year.

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Speaker 1: This is just a bad position for them to be in.

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Speaker 1: I flip flop every day because, like we just talked about,

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Speaker 1: if this is three and a half, I would like

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Speaker 1: the Bills because I think this is that close to

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Speaker 1: the matchup. But if you're gonna give it me and

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Speaker 1: under a field goal on this Chiefs team at home homes,

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Speaker 1: I take that every time, just because I believe that

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Speaker 1: much of my home. So I get what they're thinking.

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Speaker 1: They're stucky, but I don't have the cojones to make

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Speaker 1: this kind of bet Like this is one of my

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Speaker 1: smaller bets of the week, bet in the Chiefs because

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Speaker 1: there just isn't that much value in my opinion on

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Speaker 1: this game, I think your cahones are plenty. Big Buddy, Well,

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Speaker 1: he's the only person I knew that would would took

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Speaker 1: his own right. The Survivor pool pick of the week.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about a survivor Oh fucking hate it. Like

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Speaker 1: there's a couple of teams we could choose, but when

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Speaker 1: else where we use the Vike teams, this is the

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Speaker 1: worst team in their division. I hate it. Chat By

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Speaker 1: we lost last year on the Vikings in this exact spot,

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Speaker 1: We have to get rid of the Vikings. We'll teet

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Speaker 1: in there all right? Buddy? Texans Dolphins Bengals. Yep, I

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Speaker 1: just looking for literally just a shock the world and

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Speaker 1: the forty nine or fours, are gonna win this game,

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Speaker 1: So let me fade the hype train. Love love love

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Speaker 1: divisional matchups like this. We got a rookie quarterback plane

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Speaker 1: That's a big number plus one ninety on the money

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Speaker 1: line right now, so that could be our fourth leg

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Speaker 1: because it's it's a home dog value. Give me the

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars money line. They haven't one. I think they're

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Speaker 1: going on nineteen or twenty weeks, I will keep losing

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Speaker 1: money bending their home money line. But this is this

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Speaker 1: is what I have to do. Tennessee, I believe have

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Speaker 1: twenty one players on the injury list right now. There's

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Speaker 1: so a lot of this round robin is fading teams

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Speaker 1: with injuries right now. So Tennessee Titians is really a

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Speaker 1: fading them, and the Buccaneers are very heavily injured team,

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Speaker 1: were fading them. So we're just trying to find value

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Speaker 1: in the teams playing a lot of these backups that

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Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, but this is one of these games where

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Speaker 1: and if they keeps staying this low at four, it

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Speaker 1: I got new issue throwing this end our fifth fifth

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Speaker 1: play in our round robin. Big balls better the week

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Speaker 1: Bengals plus three from earlier this week on Tuesday, the

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Speaker 1: The five that we're thinking about right now, but again

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Speaker 1: cap Dolphins, Texans, Bengals, Giants, Chargers. The money line round

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Speaker 1: last week. Last week we had the Jets and the

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Speaker 1: Like sometimes it works, Yeah, it hits ugly dogs win.

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Speaker 1: So it's looking crazy right now, but it just feels

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Speaker 1: league that is run by mysterious secretive people who don't

637
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,479
Speaker 1: want anyone snooping around their business. And you fucking nailed it.

638
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: So nice job. The past ten days, it's been the

639
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: only thing people in the sports world they're talking about. Um.

640
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: And I'll say this, I feel like with all the

641
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: news that's going on with the book and everyone's been

642
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: talking about it, especially in the lead up to the

643
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: Patriots Bocks game, about the Brady Belichick relationship and uh,

644
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: sort of those moments that are very inside about their

645
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: breakup or how they felt about each other. It's kind

646
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: of missing the point because to me, like this is

647
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: as intimate a portrait of three people in Belichick, Brady

648
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: and Craft that have been keeping their lives very, very

649
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: secret for a very long time. I feel like people

650
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: are talking about that enough. Do you feel the same way.

651
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's intimacy here that is being

652
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: overlooked and because of the sort of sensational aspects of

653
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: the reporting. I think it's thanks man. First of all,

654
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: I think it's both. I think that look number one,

655
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: when you have you know, dialogue in there that includes

656
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: swear words, you know, from those people maybe sometimes even

657
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,719
Speaker 1: about each other in moments in moments of you know,

658
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: exhaustion and and and out of patience. Um, you know,

659
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: I think that that stuff. Obviously people gravitated, gravitate too,

660
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: but I think it actually speaks to the themes you

661
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: were talking about. And let's pick one of them for instance. Um,

662
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: a quote they got a lot of attention was from

663
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: Robert Craft. It was in the fall of he was

664
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Speaker 1: at a business conference, one of these kind of rich

665
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: guys business conferences and Aspen and he's in the hotel

666
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: lobby and you know, he says paraphrasing here says know,

667
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: you come here and you meet the most brilliant minds.

668
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: I really hate to leave this place because you know,

669
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: I have to go to Detroit and be with the

670
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: biggest effing a hole in my life, my head coach.

671
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: And you know, that got a lot of attention. But

672
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 1: when you look at it within the context of Robert Kraft,

673
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: who for the most part, masterfully kept the band together

674
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: for twenty years despite all of the polls of ego

675
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: and fame and entitlement that might come with winning as

676
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: much as they did, you know, it's probably the thing

677
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: that's going to get him into the Hall of Fame.

678
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean that it didn't come without managerial

679
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: challenges at times. And I think that was one of

680
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: those times where he was just feeling a little tired

681
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: about it all. I have so many favorite parts of

682
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: the book. I want to hear from you. What was

683
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: your favorite part of the book to report? My favorite

684
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,479
Speaker 1: part of the book generally is so it's divided into

685
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: three parts. Part one is kind of the joy of

686
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: the rise. It's the first three Super Bowls and you know,

687
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: kind of plateau ing in that two thousand sixth season,

688
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, ending around there where um, you know the

689
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: Patriots a lot of ways, we're just we're a version

690
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: of America's team. I mean, there really wasn't the the

691
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: hatred that you sort of see right now for that team.

692
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: So that's part one. Part two is the ten year

693
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: gap that they didn't win a Super Bowl, and Part

694
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: three is the reclamation of the dynasty and how it

695
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: kind of ended up dissipating in My favorite part of

696
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: the book, generally speaking as part two, because and that

697
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: goes from two thousand seven to midway through the third

698
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: quarter of January of two thousand fifteen, because you had

699
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and Bill Belichick who had already established Hall

700
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: of Fame careers at that point, but they weren't quite

701
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: able to accomplish their goal. They had plateaued at the

702
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: highest possible level you can without plateauing as super Bowl champions.

703
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: And how they decided and the ways that they chose

704
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: to try to get better and to dig a little

705
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: bit deeper and to be a little bit more imaginative

706
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: and creative and think outside the box about how they

707
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 1: could get back to that status that they had attained.

708
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: To me, is the most interesting part of things because

709
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: you just don't see that that often in professional sports.

710
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: I think that that drive that they showed during that

711
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: time and the fact that it ended up working is

712
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: about as rare as their six championships together. What specifically

713
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 1: did they do in that time that helped them transform? Well?

714
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: With Tom Brady, it's it's now a business, but it's

715
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: essentially when he founded his program, his TV twelve method. UM.

716
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: I write about in the book being in his apartment

717
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: and we were sitting in his living room, living room

718
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: talking in March of and um, this guy walks into

719
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: the living room. He had this elevator that just opened

720
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: right into his house, his apartment in in in downtown Boston,

721
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: and this guy just enters the living room behind me

722
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: and I look around and um, Brady's Alejandro. And they

723
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: get up and they hug and they make small talk.

724
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: And you know, I had seen Alex Guerrero around Tom

725
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: Brady a little bit, but I never talked to him

726
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: about it. So I was like, well, what's his role?

727
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: And I remember, and I wrote about it. Brady was like,

728
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's really hard to describe what he does,

729
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: and in fact, it wasn't. Um. You know, Brady at

730
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: that time was making clear that he wanted to play

731
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: into his forties, and Alex Guerrero's job, more than anything

732
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: was to make it happen. He was the one who

733
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: to never say no to Tom Brady, to never say

734
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: you can't do this, And so they obviously developed their

735
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: own methodology that by the way, it was also at

736
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: odds with the Patriot way, the Belichick way, and then

737
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: with Belichick, I think that one of my one of

738
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: my favorite moments that I kind of got into was

739
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: midway through the third quarter of divisional round. They're hosting

740
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens. They're down by fourteen points against the

741
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: team that's just not afraid of them, and it looks

742
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: like they're gonna lose, and you know it's gonna get

743
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: them bounced once again in the first round of the playoffs.

744
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo had just finished his rookie year. You wonder if, like,

745
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: if they had been bounced again, you know, what would

746
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: that of dynamic look like with Tom Brady had been back.

747
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: Who knows and Belichick dust off the play the funky

748
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 1: formations and the play called Baltimore and Ravens. There's two

749
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: different versions of it, and um he the The original

750
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: name of that play was called fight Song, and it

751
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: was originated by Lane Kiffin, and he called it fight

752
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: Song because he said, when we run it, we're going

753
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: to score. And they lifted it. Nick's uh. Lane Kiffin

754
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: brought it with him to Alabama. Alabama ran it, the

755
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: Patriots lifted it and kind of changed it a little bit.

756
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: So they deployed this these two plays midway through the

757
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: third quarter, and it not only worked in the sense

758
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 1: that it got them back in the game re energized

759
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: the crowd. But one of the themes that I write

760
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: about in the book is how Belichick gets inside the

761
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: heads of the best coaches in the league and often

762
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: finds ways to use their traits and personalities and confidence

763
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: against them. He knew that John Harbaugh, great coach of

764
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: the Ravens, but someone who's kind of known for having

765
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: a quick fuse, would lose his s h I T

766
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: over this play, especially when they ran a no huddle,

767
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: because the Ravens wouldn't have a ton of time to adjust.

768
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: And sure enough, John Harbaugh had a meltdown and got

769
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: into sports and my conduct penalty in the third quarter

770
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: of that game. So when a matter of minutes Belichick

771
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: had had closed. Belichick and Brady really and Josh McDaniels

772
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: had closed. The fourteen point score re energized the crowd,

773
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: sent the opposing head coach into a tailspin, and they

774
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: end up winning that game, which kind of ends up

775
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: reigniting the dynasty. John Harboh is a living about this one.

776
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: They would now Sales were player, then Tom would take

777
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: him to the line right way and snapped the ball

778
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: before we had a chance to even figure out who

779
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: was lined up where. And that was a deception part

780
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: of it, and was clearly deception. I don't know it's

781
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: deceiving about that. Hey, those guys got to study the

782
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: rule book and you know, figure it out. We obviously

783
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: knew what we were doing. Okay. So there's two things

784
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: in there. One you talk about Brady and the chapter

785
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: about Guerrero in two thousand thirteen. To me, Brady for

786
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: many many years comes across in this book as so

787
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: self aware. And there's a couple of scenes very early.

788
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: It's when he is willing to meet with the sports

789
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 1: psychologists at Michigan. It's when he's living with his buddies

790
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: as a backup quarterback in a condo near Foxborough. It's

791
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: when he signs that new deal and is playing air

792
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: guitar with Nugent, the offensive lineman, and like recognizing he's

793
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: a multi millionaire and screaming it out loud. It's so

794
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: like joyful and innocent. And you talk about that and

795
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: like telling his parents after the Super Bowl, everything's going

796
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: to change. I'm going to change, You're going to change.

797
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: And in two thirteen to me feels like when he

798
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: completely loses that self awareness. What happened. I think his

799
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: fame exploded to a level that and has continued to

800
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,959
Speaker 1: explode to a level that warps the mind so much

801
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: that you know, he's almost become a version of that

802
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: global elite for whom human longevity is human destiny. Um.

803
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: You know, I think that when you reach a certain

804
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: level of fame. I'm not saying that he's disconnected from

805
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: who he used to be, but you're kind of disconnected

806
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: from the realities of a lot of a lot of people,

807
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: no matter how hard you try to retain that. And yeah,

808
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: you know, it's one of the kind of character arcs

809
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: that I tried to show with him. Um. And and

810
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: you know, he talks a lot about his mental toughness

811
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: and how he acquired this mental toughness. He's very proud

812
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: of that, and so I wanted to try to figure out,

813
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: like how he did this. When you're trying to talk

814
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: about Tom Brady's greatness, you're asking like, well, how did

815
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: he get mentally tough? And it goes back to one

816
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: night he had in Michigan. He was buried on the

817
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: depth chart and he tells Lloyd Carr that he's going

818
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: to transfer to Cal where he can, you know, basically

819
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: play almost a right away as soon as he's eligible.

820
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: And that night he meets with Greg Harden, his sports psychologist,

821
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: and he says, yeah, I'm gonna go to Cal. I'm

822
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: not seeing the field here. I mean I ever play.

823
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: And you think about all the ways that a sports

824
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 1: psychologist could react. He could um give him a hug,

825
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: he could reply with tough love. And Brady at the

826
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: time was a self described winer. And Greg Harden starts

827
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: laughing at him in the office and he starts laughing

828
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: and he says, if you leave, no one's gonna care anyway,

829
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: because you haven't done anything here. You want to leave,

830
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: go ahead, And that really kind of reignited Brady's competitive

831
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: spirit and his his dad later told me, once he

832
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: decided to stay at Michigan, he had to kind of

833
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: own that decision and lose some of those, you know,

834
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: traits that he came in and and become more mature.

835
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: And I love that you just talked on that where

836
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite things about Brady. He might

837
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: have been disconnected at that point chat from what he

838
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 1: used to be, but that competitive edge, that killer instinct,

839
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: like the thing that we talked about. You just he's

840
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: not the month athletic. He's not the smartest quarterback ever

841
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: to play. He outworked everyone that's ever played the game.

842
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 1: I mean, we still hear stories about this guy. Again,

843
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,959
Speaker 1: he's forty forty four at this point or forty five,

844
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: and he's still in the off season reaching out to

845
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: receivers throwing patterns. My biggest takeaway from your book this

846
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: seems like a man that is not just so obsessive,

847
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: but just a man that literally his life. Again, he

848
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: has a wife, he has kids, he loves them, he

849
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: spends time with them. It's football. Like this man. Literally

850
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: he's watching film at the dinner table in his twenty

851
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: first season. Like this guy, I feel like we're never

852
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: gonna see another player like him, where like he put

853
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: his whole life into it. Again, we talked about his

854
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: regiment with Alex Carrera, the man won't eat the wrong

855
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: calorie in the last ten years because he is just

856
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: down to the wire about everything he does. Has there

857
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: ever been a player that you've studied and been around

858
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: that has these kind of qualities? Are he truly one

859
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: of the kind? Oh? It's both. I mean, I think

860
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: that's one of the most interesting things about Brady is

861
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: for as like global and worldly as he is, he's

862
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: not exactly the most well rounded person. He he has

863
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,959
Speaker 1: no hobbies and as he said, he has this little

864
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: sickness inside him that makes him want to throw a spiral.

865
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: And I remember, um, when Chad and I worked together

866
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: at ESPN in two thousand and thirteen, I believe um,

867
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: we published you know, one of the greatest stories of

868
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: all time by Right Thompson on Michael Jordan's and it

869
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: was in time for his fiftieth birthday, and the entire

870
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: story it was a fascinating read, just because it was

871
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: such a raw look at what it's like to be

872
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: around Jordan on a day to day basis when this

873
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: thing that you have, this this intense competiti stiveness that's

874
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: both kind of enriched and subtracted from your lives, refuses

875
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: to go out. But he also had a line in

876
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: there where Jordan's said, you know, I would give everything

877
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: away to go back and be able to play the

878
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: game of basketball. I think that when Brady's fifty years old,

879
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: assuming he's retired by then, whether he admits it or not,

880
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: I think that he'll probably have those thoughts you mentioned, Simon.

881
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: I'm glad you bring that up because you mentioned Giselle

882
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: and having a family. She's one of my favorite characters

883
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: in the book because she is so fiery and passionate

884
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: and protective and it's not sort of the stuff that

885
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: is well reported about when she goes off on Wes

886
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: Welker in the Super Bowl against that second Super Bowl

887
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: against the Giants and he should have caught that pass

888
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: or whatever it's when she meets the Michigan sports psychologists,

889
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: like the warmth that she has for him explains sort

890
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: of that scene, because it's really to me that that

891
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: defines the book, Like that's the intimacy that is at

892
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: the core of this book, is how she reacts to

893
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: this person who was so important to her husband. Yeah,

894
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: Brady and his wife were in ann Arbor and there

895
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: was an anniversary event for the Michigan National Championship team,

896
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: of which Brady of course was a backup on, and

897
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: they were at a steakhouse, and um, it was interesting

898
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: because obviously Brady is a backup on that team Charles

899
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: Woodson and Brian Greasy where the where the superstars? And

900
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: and even in two thousand seven, at this dinner, Brady's

901
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 1: fame and success is many magnitudes greater than anybody else

902
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: who was on that team. And he's sitting at a

903
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 1: table with Giselle and Greg Harden comes over and they

904
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: make eye contact and she goes, oh, I know who

905
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: you are because he had told her about him. And frankly,

906
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: you know Tom still talks to Greg Harden, and Greg

907
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: Harden still does you know what he does? Um. In

908
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: two thirteen, for instance, you know, Brady had won one

909
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and his entire life had changed, and it

910
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: you know, fame had come to him the way that

911
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: it always does at warp speed, with no time to

912
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: adjust or think about it or strategize. You're just kind

913
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: of a kite in the wind, and he was struggling

914
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: to adjust to it, and you know, he was giving

915
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: into some of those whiney impulses that of course Chad

916
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: when he managed me saw me sometimes um. And he's

917
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: complaining to Greg Harden about all these things he can't do.

918
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: He can't go to the cast station, he can't do this.

919
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: People are following him home, or he thinks people are

920
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: following him home, so he has to drive long ways anyway.

921
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: And Greg Harden again starts laughing at him, and he says,

922
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, you want to be the best in the

923
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: world of what you do, but you want you don't

924
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: want all this stuff that comes with it. And he

925
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: was like, right now, you can pick up a phone

926
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: and change a kid's life in five minutes. You're the

927
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: hot cookie right now, and you're not going to be

928
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: the hot cookie forever, so you should take advantage of

929
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: this wall you've got it. Of course, it turns out

930
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: Brady has been like the hottest cookie ever and he's

931
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 1: still the hot cookie twenty years later, and he'll never

932
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: stop being a hot cookie cookie you mentioned earlier, sort

933
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: of the Robert Kraft moment where he, you know, says,

934
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: I gotta go deal with this fucking asshole. And part

935
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: of the reason it feels sensation was because he's swearing. Right.

936
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: There is a chapter of this book that is just

937
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: called That's a lot of fun. Use. I think the

938
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: secondary through line of this book is, and that you've

939
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: done this incredibly well for the past six seven years,

940
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: is reporting on the power dynamic of the NFL. Like

941
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: You've turned NFL ownership, NFL management, NFL senior levels at

942
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: the at the league level into a beat and I've

943
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: gotten all this behind the scenes stuff and some of

944
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: these things are to me as fascinating and interesting and

945
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: then pulled back the curtain on the league as anything

946
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: about the Brady Craft Belichick dynamic. When you're reporting that stuff,

947
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: how much fun is it to get it and know

948
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: that you have it. It's a ton of fun. The

949
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: NFL is the game that fans in America care about

950
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: the most and they know about the least, and so

951
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: anytime you can sort of show how these meetings go,

952
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: it's awesome. I mean, I've been doing it for years,

953
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: especially with my co author Don Vanada. Um. You know,

954
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: we did it a lot during the anthem protests in

955
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: seventeen with the print with President Trump, and you know,

956
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: that stuff is just cool and I really enjoyed. And

957
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: there's actually a really interesting Craft moment that that chapter

958
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: you alluded to was during the collective bargaining agreement negotiations

959
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: where there was the lockout and Myra Kraft was on

960
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: her deathbed and Robert Craft was leaving Myra to go

961
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: try to negotiate, and she died, and some of the

962
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: owners at her funeral. We're coming up to the union chief,

963
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: to Morris Smith and trying to negotiate the deal with

964
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: him at a funeral, and then later they're all in

965
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: a room together. The negotiations are down to offseason workout time.

966
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 1: As we all know, that's been reduced with almost all

967
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: of these collective part agreements, and so the union wanted

968
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: to reduce it drastically the offseason practice workload. And John Mara,

969
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: the owner of the Giants, protest this and he's like, well,

970
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: that the coaches and the gm are gonna be piste

971
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: off about this, and Kraft kind of looks at him

972
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,959
Speaker 1: and he's just like, I'm paraphrasing here. I don't care

973
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,959
Speaker 1: if they're upset. We're not gonna kill a deal this Well,

974
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: because some head coaches and gms are upset about offseason practices,

975
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: and it was kind of a watershed moment because the

976
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: players realized that Robert Kraft was truly trying to broke

977
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: her a deal and took their side on a key issue.

978
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: It's amazing. The whole book is amazing. I wanted to

979
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: do really well, Steph. I would love to get your

980
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: view on the most recent game. Me and Chad talk

981
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: yesterday about the Patriots Buccaneers game. There's fifty seven seconds uft.

982
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: I believe the Tampa bay a two time outs, it's

983
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: fourth and three, He's about to kick a fifty six

984
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: yard field goal. Do you believe Belichick fell on his sword?

985
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 1: That normal Belichick situations, he goes for that. But because

986
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: of the respect for Brady and I kind of like

987
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: he was setting Brighty up for that moment. He was

988
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: really gonna give Brady fifty three seconds in that stadium

989
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: with two time out to go down the field and

990
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: kick a field goal. I would love to hear because

991
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: you're so close to it. I would love to see

992
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: what your view is of was. But what was Belichick's

993
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 1: thought process and that final you know, fourth and three moment.

994
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: What was he really thinking there? Oh, I think he

995
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 1: wanted to win the game, and I mean he came

996
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: six inches from winning it. That's obviously debated decision at

997
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: the time, I guess I didn't really think about it

998
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: because I mean the field goal went off the upright,

999
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: it was so close to me, like how close it

1000
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: was kind of validated his decision. It was literally a tsunami.

1001
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: That's why. That's why I thought it was such a

1002
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: bizarre move by him, because yeah, if it's a nice

1003
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: sunny day kick fifty six yard or it was literally

1004
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: sideways ring that was That's what was so crazy to me.

1005
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: I love the game. I mean, I thought it was

1006
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: just fascinating to watch those two minds battle against each

1007
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: other on a public stage. It was I mean, Belichick,

1008
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: it reminded me a lot of like the old school

1009
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: like two thousand one Patriots, right where you have a

1010
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: pretty good defense, the let's teams move the ball, but

1011
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 1: you know, gets tough in the red zone and forces

1012
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: a lot of these quarterbacks to settle in a lot

1013
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 1: of these great teams and offenses to settle for field goals,

1014
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: and then on offense, you just kind of have a

1015
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 1: ball control offense, right, and you're trying to like figure

1016
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: out the geometry of that and throw a screen pass

1017
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 1: or a short pass every which way you possibly can.

1018
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: None with the fact that, like mac Jones came out

1019
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: of hit nineteen straight passes at one point, you know,

1020
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: driving rain like that against the defending Super Bowl champions.

1021
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: And it really took all of Tom Brady two, all

1022
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: of his ingenuity to to beat Bill. I mean, they

1023
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: had him a couple of times. And now the first

1024
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: down run, that first out like a little kid that

1025
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: was that really summed up that game to me. It

1026
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: was like, that's how you know how much it meant

1027
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: that both of them. Yeah, his legs ended up kind

1028
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: of winning the game for them. I think the Tampa

1029
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: offensive line played great, but weirdly enough, Brady's forty four

1030
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: year old legs, in his ability to kind of extend

1031
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: plays ended up I think, you know, kind of being

1032
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: the difference. And so I loved it. I loved every

1033
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: it of it. I have one more question before we

1034
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: let you go at one more question. Belichick is so

1035
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: different in this book to me than he is in

1036
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: real life. Right, He's so you know, ogre ish and

1037
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: not wanting to communicate and all that kind of stuff.

1038
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: You've got great detail about what it's like to communicate

1039
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: with him one on one, and how he likes to

1040
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: communicate with reporters or what when he is at his

1041
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: most unguarded. Reveal some of that right now, and how

1042
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: he communicated directly with you. Yeah, one of the times

1043
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: that I one of the things I loved in the

1044
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: book was just trying to learn about what it's like

1045
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: to work for him, right and you know, these days

1046
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: that started four thirty in the morning and go until

1047
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: eleven at night in these meetings where he drives the

1048
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: coach is crazy because you know he's he's asking about

1049
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: decisions over and over and over again, and you know

1050
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: they're kind of running out of patients, but you know,

1051
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: he's just making sure that every that there's not any

1052
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: screws loose, and you know, the media was part of that.

1053
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that, you know, I think

1054
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: there was a moment or him, maybe in the years

1055
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 1: after Spygate, where he was really interested in letting people

1056
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: see the staggering depth of knowledge that he had accumulated

1057
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: throughout his career. And so with myself and others, you know,

1058
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: he'd give windows into that, and he would often, you know,

1059
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: wait until eleven or eleven thirty, until his work day

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Speaker 1: was done before he would talk to people. Or if

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Speaker 1: he was in his office, he would kick his feet

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Speaker 1: up and take his shoes and his socks off. And

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Speaker 1: the coaches would talk about that in meetings. How Like

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Speaker 1: sometimes they were in meetings where he was upset about

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Speaker 1: about games or whatever it happened, and he would kick

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Speaker 1: his feet up on the desk and have untied his

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Speaker 1: shoes and have his socks up there, and they're just

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Speaker 1: going like, oh my god, his feet stink. We're in

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Speaker 1: this stuffy room, we're going through the game, a game

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Speaker 1: that we lost, and he is drilling in and critiquing

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Speaker 1: every bad decision that we made. All the food in

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Speaker 1: the cafeteria is gone. We still haven't done our work

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Speaker 1: for the night, and this thing is, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's almost the beginning of it with hours to go

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Speaker 1: and no end in sight. And you know, so anyway,

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Speaker 1: I just I enjoyed kind of like trying to show

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Speaker 1: what it was like to work for him because his

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Speaker 1: football genius. You know, you can't be polite all the time,

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Speaker 1: and you can't be a nice guy all the time

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Speaker 1: to you know, accomplish what he has. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: have to be hard on people, and you have to

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Speaker 1: coach them hard and critique them hard, you know, doing

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Speaker 1: it from a perspective that we're all in it together, because,

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Speaker 1: as he said many times, nobody makes more mistakes than

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Speaker 1: he does. Well, listen, it's a great book. That's a

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Speaker 1: great story. It's revealing how inside the book is to

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Speaker 1: Brady Belichick, Craft, the Dynasty, the Mystery Capital are reporting,

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Speaker 1: Seth Wickersham, It's better to be feared. Thanks for joining us, buddy,

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