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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huts. Giants do come,

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Speaker 1: get on my Giants bubble, give me some job. Part

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Speaker 1: of the Giants Podcast Network. Let's roll. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Rapid Reaction edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Citizens, the official bank of the New York Giants.

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Speaker 1: I'm John Shmelk. This is the first time I've been

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Speaker 1: on one of these JC. I've never done a Rapid

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Speaker 1: Reaction before.

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Speaker 2: I think I did one with Madeline last year. If I'm

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Speaker 2: almost like.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the first time since two thousand and

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Speaker 1: six I haven't traveled to a Giants road game, so

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Speaker 1: this has been a very weird experience for me.

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Speaker 2: Well, welcome to your office. During the game.

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Speaker 1: It's been very strange. The guys did a great job

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Speaker 1: out there, Dan to Miami, and we just got off

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Speaker 1: w f an talking about this for literally two hours.

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Speaker 1: So we'll try to summarize here in a much quicker

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Speaker 1: rapid reaction. The key is rapid in part of the

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Speaker 1: title Rapid Reaction Podcast. All right, JC, let's start, I

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Speaker 1: guess with the offensive side of the ball, because that's

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Speaker 1: where we need to start. Giants fall to the Dolphins

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Speaker 1: by the way thirty one. I'm sure if you've watched

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Speaker 1: the game, if you're listening to this and sixteen points,

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Speaker 1: you're like, well, that's better than all but one other

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Speaker 1: game this year. But then you realize that seven of

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Speaker 1: those sixteen points came from a Jason Pinnock one hundred

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Speaker 1: and two yard part return interception return part of me

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Speaker 1: for a touchdown, and three more of those were the

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Speaker 1: result of a Bobby ocaerake interception that gave the ball

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Speaker 1: to the Giants offense inside the Dolphins I think around

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Speaker 1: the thirty yard line, give or take, and they really

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Speaker 1: only gained like four yards after that, so the Giants

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Speaker 1: offense really only responsible for six of those sixteen points.

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Speaker 1: Same story, fifty percent pressure rate on Giants quarterbacks. In

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Speaker 1: this game, Daniel Jones gets drilled in the back by

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Speaker 1: Andrew van Ginkel in the second half. He has to

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Speaker 1: leave the game with a neck injury. Took test after

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Speaker 1: the game, Probably gonna have more tests this week, we'll

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Speaker 1: see where he's at. He did talk to the media

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Speaker 1: after the game, which is a good sign. But remember

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Speaker 1: two years ago he did miss time at the end

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Speaker 1: of the year with a neck injury. So all things

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Speaker 1: to kind of keep an eye on here as you

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Speaker 1: move forward, Daniel Jones, but your overall thoughts on what

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Speaker 1: you saw from the offense.

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Speaker 2: The offense. Man, it's hard though, because they're in a

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Speaker 2: tough situation because of Andrew Thomas being out, John Michael

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Speaker 2: Smith's out today, and then you see it. It's been

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Speaker 2: happening in every game. Somebody, two, three people go down,

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Speaker 2: you know, collectively. And look, I noticed roster pretty well.

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Speaker 2: I knew, you know, pretty much everybody I was playing

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Speaker 2: coming into today's game, but a couple of guys that

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Speaker 2: started playing on offensive line, I had no idea who

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Speaker 2: they watched, Milky. I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 1: No, Look, the Giants had to bring up two guys

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Speaker 1: off the practice squad yesterday because you had no John

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Speaker 1: Michael Schmidz in this game. You had know Andrew Thomas

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Speaker 1: in this game. You had no shalam you in this game.

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Speaker 1: So they had to bring up Jayalen Mayfield and Jayleen Thomas.

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Speaker 1: Jaylen Thomas had to take one snap that sent it.

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Speaker 1: When Brent Bredeson had to leave the game, looked like

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Speaker 1: some he had some kind of equipment issue with his

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Speaker 1: face mask. They had to get cleared up. Then Marcus McKeithen,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a look they've dug themselves into to a whole,

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Speaker 2: you know, And and honestly, we've talked about this too.

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Speaker 2: If you would have said that they only won one

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Speaker 2: they played, looking at the teams that they were playing against,

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Speaker 2: I would be like, Okay, I understand.

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Speaker 1: That, and the injuries they had too, with Barkley being

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Speaker 2: Right, but it's that it's not competitive, you know. The

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Speaker 2: but it's not competitive. It's not close. They're not matching

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Speaker 2: I think that's where you see the frustration not only

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Speaker 1: Totally understandable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we do BBKL, We take calls and we

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Speaker 2: do postgame shows. We do pregame, do pregame shows outside.

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Speaker 2: We're taking you know, the fans reactions outside, and it's

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Speaker 2: a collective effort. Everybody's frustrated, and we understand the reason

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Speaker 2: why we want a Giants team to be competitive, whether

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Speaker 2: they're winning the games or they're losing close games. The

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Speaker 2: games just haven't been that close, you know. Even last

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Speaker 2: week it was twenty four to three, but it looked

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Speaker 2: a lot more. It looked worse than that.

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Speaker 1: And it was just fourteen three at the end of

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Speaker 2: And I think that's where the frustration lies. And it's

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Speaker 2: not just the fan base, guys. I know the fan base,

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Speaker 2: you're very frustrated. But you got to believe these guys,

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Speaker 2: they put a lot into this stuff, right. You sacrifice

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Speaker 2: your mind, body and soul for this game time for

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Speaker 2: a very long time, you know. And the commitment that

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Speaker 2: I played, man, I'm taking anything to get ready for games, bro,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I wasn't with my

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Speaker 2: was very frustrated and I didn't I wasn't the same person.

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Speaker 2: I was, you know, upset, and I didn't want to

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Speaker 2: the guys. I'm not making uses for anybody, but at

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Speaker 2: the same time, they're in a very rough spot right

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Speaker 2: now and playing a team in the Buffalo Bills, who's

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Speaker 2: probably still on that flight back from London. They're very angry,

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Speaker 2: they're very upset, they're very upset, and they're not gonna

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Speaker 2: let down, you know. I thought if Miami and Buffalo

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Speaker 2: it could have been a trap game for the Giants

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Speaker 2: couple of quick scores because maybe they're falling asleep on them. No,

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Speaker 2: you got a Miami team that was just embarrassed the

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Speaker 1: And I think both of us probably also think they're

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Speaker 2: You know. So you're gonna get teams that are just

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Speaker 2: the Giants I feel like, have missed an opportunity right

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Speaker 2: now in terms of how they could have played in

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Speaker 2: after that you got the Commanders, and the Commanders aren't

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Speaker 2: a terrible team now. They're feisty and they always play

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Speaker 2: a division new game, and those games are just a

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Speaker 2: this division. This division is a tough division. Last year,

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Speaker 2: it was the best division in football last year. It's

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Speaker 2: not basically holding up their end of the bargain how

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Speaker 2: they did last year. And look, the Giants have to improve,

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Speaker 2: they have to get better. It definitely starts at the

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Speaker 3: You're ready for a change. Pay Day comes early with citizens,

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Speaker 3: So go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country.

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Speaker 3: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are

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Speaker 3: you ready for all that life brings?

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Speaker 1: And look the way I kind of see this offense, JC.

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Speaker 1: It's basically like one of these machines where you do

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Speaker 1: and it does like sixteen different things. You know, you like,

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Speaker 1: that it goes through the other thing. And that's kind

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Speaker 1: of what's happened here. It's been consequences to one thing

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Speaker 1: affect another part of the team, and most of those

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Speaker 1: are injuries, et cetera, et cetera, and I'll just run

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Speaker 1: through them. Look, you're missing your starting left tackle, you're

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Speaker 1: the offensive line, and they've tried to find ways around this. Right,

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Speaker 1: there are a few ways you can try to protect

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Speaker 1: you know, protect five, spread them out. The problem is

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Speaker 1: so you're shrinking the field down. And if your offensive

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Speaker 1: much because you're getting one on one. So that hasn't worked.

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Speaker 1: All right. You want to leave your tight ends to check,

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Speaker 1: send two or three wide receivers into routes. Well, guess

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Speaker 1: And since you're trying to use three guys to get

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Speaker 1: So eventually the pressure gets there and you get sacked.

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Speaker 1: protect our offensive line a little bit. Well, we looked

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Speaker 1: up the numbers. Before the Barkley injury, Giants were eight

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Speaker 1: point two yards per attempt on play action. Since then,

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Speaker 1: they've been three point eight and We've seen multiple times

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Speaker 1: the Giants try to run play action bootlegs JC and

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Speaker 1: the backs on linebacker doesn't even pay attention to the

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. So you're taking play action out then because

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Speaker 1: they go on Barkiey's absent people. And frankly, the Giants

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Speaker 1: So the coaches have tried different things. They're trying, you know, RPOs,

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Speaker 1: they're trying quick little bubbles schems to Wander Robinson, and

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Speaker 1: none of these things are working because of one reason

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Speaker 1: or another other injury, these execution issues, and there just

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Speaker 1: aren't any easy answers now on offense to solve some

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Speaker 1: of these problems, except just for the guys that are playing.

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Speaker 1: They need to beat the guy in front of them

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Speaker 1: more often and win more. It's just tough when you're

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Speaker 1: asking practice squad guys in the case of Jalen Mayfield,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a tall task man. And the Giants

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Speaker 2: that they doube themselves into a deep hole right now

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Speaker 2: at the beginning of this season, you know, And it's

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Speaker 2: just not gonna get any easier. It never gets easier.

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Speaker 2: And I've been saying this for a while because I

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Speaker 1: I will say in this game, the Dolphins ran almost

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Speaker 2: They sure enough did. And the thing is they ran,

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Speaker 1: I thought they played better against Seattle last week. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Three of twelve on third downs.

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Speaker 1: They only gave up ten or ten defensive points in

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Speaker 2: But this team is a lot more explosive than in Seattle.

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Speaker 2: You know, he was playing very good, but you know

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