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If you are a new just 9 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: download the fan Duel sports Book app to get started. 10 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: Now signed up with promo code Colin so they know 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: we sent you have a special guest. I think you 12 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: could go by all pro pro bowler, National Champion, super 13 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: Bowl Champion, but I would imagine the coolest thing to 14 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: be called to Walter Payton man Man of the Year. Uh, 15 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: Andrew Whitworth. How you doing, big fella. I'm doing great, man. 16 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: I appreciate you having me on. It's uh, it's it's 17 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: good to be here. Well. Tom Brady lasted about you know, 18 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: less than forty days in retirement. You're going on a 19 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: little bit longer than that, are Are you gonna hold stronger? 20 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: We're gonna see it jump back into the the in 21 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: the boat for old McVeigh. I'm holding strong, you know, 22 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: I I just now kind of got back to I 23 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: took probably a pretty good little break after I retired, 24 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: just playing golf and hanging out. And uh, I've I've 25 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: started getting back in the weight room and feeling pretty good, 26 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, all those little feelings start creeping in, 27 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: but I'm like, you know what, no chance I'm done. 28 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: So I'm holding strong. We're just gonna get to work 29 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: and how getting in shape and uh, you know, trying 30 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: to stay away from the football field for now. Yeah, 31 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: I follow you, and and so I see, you know, 32 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: you're a routine people, you know, football guys. You know, 33 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: so just you keep it. But there has to be 34 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: some moments where you're like, you know, I might be forty, 35 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: but I still got it. Yeah, I mean, you know, 36 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: the old line still comes over and trains with me 37 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: here in my place, and and so it's it's fun 38 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: to kind of be with those guys and see what 39 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: they're up to. And you know, notna lie, it's funny 40 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: some days you get in there with them, you get 41 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: to getting after it and you just kind of get 42 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: that that feeling of what it was like being in 43 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: the locker room and being around the guys and grinding 44 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: towards the goal. And so it's, uh, it's definitely a 45 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: special environment. I don't think that really changes whether you're 46 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: playing or not. Once you've experienced it, you'll always miss 47 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: that a little bit. But it's fun to see them 48 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: kind of in that mode of uh taking the next step. 49 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: You know, Joe's note booms, one of those guys and 50 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: he's gonna replace me there with the rams, and he's 51 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: here all the time in my place training and it's 52 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: fun to watch him grind and you know he's chasing 53 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: his dream and what he's looking forward to doing, and 54 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,839 Speaker 1: I can't couldn't be happier to support him and can't 55 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: wait to watch him do his thing. Well, what's crazy 56 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: is you know we've seen now quarterbacks, obviously kickers and 57 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: punters over the years. I mean, it became a pretty 58 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: big story a guy in the trenches. I think you 59 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: turned forward in December and you obviously played that month, 60 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: and then then in the playoff run. Uh, I mean 61 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: that's that's a pretty incredible accomplishment to play left tack. 62 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: That's one thing to kick or punt or you know, 63 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: Tom's not getting hit anymore. But you I mean, every 64 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: week it's Nick Bosa, it's Jpp, it's Chandler Jones, it's whoever. 65 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: It's a little different ball game in there. Yeah, it is. 66 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: It's wild. You know. I was recently playing in a 67 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: golf tournament with Derek Carr and we were having this conversation. 68 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: He was like, man, you know what now the game 69 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: way the game is like, you know, I don't hardly 70 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: get touched. It's like and when you do, it's like 71 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: they have to gently put you on the ground. It's 72 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: like you you know, the game is completely changed from 73 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: when he was a young player and got in the league. 74 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: And you know, I think he came in right when 75 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: it started to kind of change things and how you 76 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: get quarterbacks in the pocket. And so we had that conversation. 77 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: He's like, man, I feel like I could play until, 78 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: you know, as long as my arm holds up till 79 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: my you know, early forties, just because there's not as 80 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: much contact. But yeah, at our position, uh, you don't 81 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: get to shy away from that at any moment. And 82 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: so there's a lot of people that went into it 83 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people that are part of my journey 84 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: to help me to get there. And that's really probably 85 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: the coolest part playing at that age. Really learning how 86 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: to be tough enough, the endurance, the consistency it took 87 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: to really continually to change my body. He work on 88 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: my body and prep it what the prep it took 89 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: weekend and week out to be really good, uh, and 90 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: hold a certain standard of play. You know, you don't 91 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: want to be out there just oh man, it's cool 92 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: this old guys out here playing. You want to be 93 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: playing to a certain standard. And I think being able 94 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: to end my career playing at a really high level 95 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: UH and being an elite pass protector still at the 96 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: left tackle position, UM was something that's really special to 97 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: me and and another reason why I felt like it 98 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: was a good time to walk away. You Know, one 99 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: theory I've had is the game's changed a lot, and 100 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: you you know, Brady, some of the older guys have 101 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: experienced the transition. But the difference is in the trenches, right, 102 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: the old line and D line. It's still really physical, right, 103 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: It's just that the wide receivers going over the middle, 104 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks not touching them tackling, you know, you gotta 105 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: be careful. But the line of scrimmage, I mean hasn't 106 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: really changed, right, It's not like it's not like it's 107 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: softer in there. You can still get after. It's why 108 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: you continue to see old Lineman and d Lineman get 109 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: drafted and get compensated, you know, right behind the quarterbacks becau. 110 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: It's an important place and bodies are still you know, 111 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: you talked to Derek Carr, you know, I was a 112 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: g A when he came into Fresno State and his brother, 113 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: you know, Frezzo is a really big deal. He's number 114 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: one overall pick smaller school, got the living crap kicked 115 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: out of him, and you really don't see that many quarterbacks. 116 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: Maybe they flame out because they're not accurate enough now, 117 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: but it's not like they can't move. I mean, he 118 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: was getting killed. This is a different world now, it 119 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: really is. I mean you look at it. Their hits 120 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: are way down and so it's it's a much different league. 121 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I was, you know, recently having this conversation 122 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: of what it was like in two thousand and six 123 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: entering the NFL to the game you play today. It's 124 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: just it's not even close. I mean, I can remember 125 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: an OH six. It's like you you knew the plays 126 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: where we might get in the shotgun, and now it's 127 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: like every play might be in the shotgun. And and 128 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: it's it's wild that almost everything was under center, a 129 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: lot of eye formation, a lot of two back stuff 130 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: back in the day, and then now the game is 131 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: so different. Even the teams that do play under center 132 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: don't play anything in the vicenter of the structure. And 133 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: really the things that you used to do back in 134 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: the game, you know, fifteen sixteen years ago. So it's 135 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: it's changed a lot, the schematically and the physicality. And 136 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: I think really now you're seeing more of an emphasis 137 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: of you know, can guys pass protect, because early in 138 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: the NFL, probably when I first got in, you know, 139 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: you needed to be able to move people at the 140 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and run block really well to have 141 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: any chance of being on the team. And then they'd 142 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: figure out how to teach you pass protection. And I 143 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: think now you look at it. If you can't protect 144 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: the quarterback at some point, it usually comes back to 145 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: haunt in an NFL season. I remember my first year 146 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: as like a scouting intern in two thousand and ten, 147 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: multiple guys Austin Collie and de Sean Jackson on hits 148 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: got carted off the field, and they were their hits 149 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: in two thousand ten didn't look that much different than 150 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: like night, I mean absolutely killed. I mean when they 151 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: got hit, they were lucky to be. It felt like 152 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: is this guy alive? And it was serious. You know, 153 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: everyone in the stadium your heart drops. I don't remember 154 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: that really happening much lately, you know. And you were 155 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: a part of that division that was physical as hell 156 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: in the North. I think it at all the time. 157 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: It's like, people look at me crazy when I talked 158 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: to him about James Harrison, and they just don't even 159 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: understand how physical of a football player this guy was. 160 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: Like he wasn't dragging people to the ground. Like when 161 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: he hit people, it was an explosion. I mean it 162 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: was like a car wreck every time he hit people. 163 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: And you watched his style of play in the Tennassy 164 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: and the power he played with, Like there's just not 165 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: many guys in the game that play like that anymore. 166 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you have more rushers who lean more to 167 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: athletic twitchiness, those kind of things, the ability to be 168 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: mobile and get in and out of pass rush moves 169 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: than really true power guys, and and James was one 170 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: of those guys that had nothing but power but also 171 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: had some twitch and ability to bend and those kind 172 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: of things, and it was it was really rare to 173 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: block them. And I think that's why I've always felt 174 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: really comfortable, you know, as I as I got older 175 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: in the league with Passpro, because I really felt like 176 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: the most power I was gonna feel. I kind of 177 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: got to ariains at a young age. And and I 178 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: knew after playing Torell sugs And and James Harrison and 179 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: their prime twice a year, I was pretty confident in 180 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: there in past protection that I could hold up against 181 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,239 Speaker 1: some of the best. I would imagine early on your career, 182 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: definitely at LSU was saving and then early on with 183 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: the Bengals lifted heavy, being strong. It's a big part 184 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: of football as you got older, you know, the the 185 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: buzzword of the pliability, strategic did did your did everything 186 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: change to maintain and sustain playing against all these dudes 187 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: that are twenty three that can bend the edge like 188 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: Boza von Miller or whatever. Yeah, I mean, you look 189 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: at it. I think every player has like a trade 190 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: or a couple of traits that kind of set them 191 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: apart and make them pretty special and give them really 192 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: the ability not not only to be special, but to 193 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: really maintain a level of success in the NFL. And 194 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: I think for me, looking back on it, you know, 195 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: one of those things was I came up in a 196 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,599 Speaker 1: really amazing strength program in high school at westmin Or 197 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: High School in Louisiana, where we were really successfully won 198 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: three state championships when I was there were fifty eight 199 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 1: and two, and a lot of it had to do 200 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: with our program more than just the players, and our 201 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: strength coach, Casey Sanders, was amazing. So I started lifting 202 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: and doing things like that when I was thirteen fourteen 203 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: years old and had a great baseline, as I call it, 204 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 1: a foundational strength line, and then went to l s 205 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: U under Tommy Moffatt and the Gale Hatch Olympic lifting, 206 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: you know, really getting powerful and strong, and so when 207 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: I got in the NFL, if anything, I was actually 208 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: a little more wound too, too strong and a little tight. 209 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: But I was built as a basketball player. I grew 210 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: up playing hoops and tennis and soccer and baseball, like 211 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: I played all the sports, and so I was actually 212 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: built more like my athleticism was more as an athlete. 213 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: But I grew up lifting really hard and playing nothing 214 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: before so in high school and college. So I actually 215 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: when I got in the NFL, I went the other direction. 216 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: Whereas most guys have to lift all the time to 217 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: keep their strength up, I was able to really kind 218 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: of slow down the lifting and start working on moving 219 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: better and running better and getting more lean and kind 220 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: of getting more athletic throughout my career rear. You know, 221 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: there was quite a time there were probably almost lost three, 222 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: four or five pounds every season for a pretty almost 223 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: like a ten year stretch to where I was like, hey, 224 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: the leaner I get, the better I'm feeling, the more 225 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: mobile I am. And it's funny if you look at 226 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: film at me at thirty seven years old compared to 227 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: twenty four or twenty three when I got in the NFL. Uh, 228 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: it's a night and different night and day, different player. 229 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: I mean, the way I moved everything, it's it's almost 230 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: like I was a better athlete at thirty seven than 231 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: I was at twenty three. It's funny, is uh. You 232 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: know a couple of California bald guys now and when 233 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: you came out, I vividly remember I'm similar age to Sean. 234 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: I remember he got higher, and I just thought, like, 235 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna be very, very difficult for this young guy, 236 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: you know, at thirty two, to be a head coach 237 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Obviously completely wrong, but the picture like 238 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: you were part of the first class, right and you 239 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: know you were older than him when you signed. Do 240 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: you remember that in the pitch? Obviously in football guaranteed money, 241 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit different. But you signed up 242 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: coming from mar and Lewis. You guys had a ton 243 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: of success in Cincinnati for a long time and then 244 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: coming to just a young, hotshot head coach. But at 245 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: the time, Sean McVeigh was not Sean McVeigh in two 246 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: thousand seventeen. Just your thought the first time you met him, uh, 247 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: and just that kind of early on process before you 248 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: guys even played games. Well, I think Sean just is 249 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: infectious energy and passion for the game, and and just 250 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 1: how much he loves it. Is it it jumps out 251 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: at you so fast. I always tell people, you know, 252 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: really really special coaches leaders. It really don't matter what 253 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: profession we're talking about, you know, you can spend five 254 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: to ten minutes with him and walk away and go, wow, 255 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: I can see why that person, uh is good at 256 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: what they do. And Shawn's note, He's definitely one of 257 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: those people. If anything, he's the epitome of it. And 258 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 1: it's uh, my first time meeting him is like, yeah, 259 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: this guy is really young. But I had actually met 260 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: him years ago when Jay Gruden was our offensive coordinator 261 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: and obviously he had a relationship with Jay and John's 262 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: through his family, and so he was actually interviewing with 263 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: Jay to to possibly come work with us in Cincinnati. 264 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: And so I met him the NFL Combine and like 265 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve or thirteen, and so we had 266 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: kind of had a baseline of meeting and knowing each 267 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: other and having an appreciation of each other because Jay 268 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: and I and his wife and my wife are really 269 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: close and kind of spent a lot of time to 270 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: get in Cincinnati. So I knew of Sean pretty well 271 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: and a lot about him through Ja and so I 272 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: kind of had a base on who he was as 273 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: a person. But spending some time with him that first week, um, 274 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: I was amazed really at you know, just his focus level, 275 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: his concentration level, the intensity of the passion. As I've 276 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: always said, he didn't really answer it or answer to 277 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: it or enjoyed as much as maybe I I wanted 278 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: to convey it to him. But the first time we 279 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: hung around, I told him I thought he was the 280 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: first person that really reminded me of Nick Saban. And 281 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: he was like, no, I'm not like Nick. You know, 282 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: like he was thirty years old, you know, felt like 283 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: he was cool and and a lot of fun to 284 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: be around, and just the persona Nick has, being kind 285 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: of tough and all this stuff. He's like, I'm nothing 286 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: like Nick Saban. And I was like, no, no, no no, 287 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: you don't understand what I'm saying. What what's special about Nick? 288 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: It's it's not his style. I think every coach has 289 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: their own style. It's the intensity that every single day, 290 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: regardless of adversity, regardless of a good day, bad day, 291 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: what's going on throughout the day, who he is is 292 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: consistent to a level that's so rare because the rarest 293 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: elite performers are that way. Their consistency level is higher 294 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: than everyone else's and you always get the best version 295 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: of Nick Saban. 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That's promo code 354 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: three and out. You see a lot of differences in 355 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: the Sean that just coach you guys in the Super 356 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: Bowl five years into the guy that you were around. 357 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: Maybe that first year when I mean you guys had 358 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: a really good or he won the division and made 359 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: the playoffs. But not necessarily from a schematic standpoint, everyone 360 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: adapts and changes and progresses, but as a as a person, 361 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: because it feels like he's been pretty consistent as a guy. 362 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, it's it's um yeah, I think that, you know, 363 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: I think people can sometimes mistake consistency is that you 364 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: don't make faults, that you don't have fault, And I 365 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: think he's not only consistent, but every little fault he 366 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: does have that maybe people pick up on, or maybe 367 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: they don't really know whether that was his decision or 368 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: whether that was a part of the game or something 369 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: that kind of he had a hand in. He's always 370 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: evaluating those things. One of the most impressive things I 371 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: always tell people just to know who Sean McVeigh is is. 372 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: After the first three or four months I was with 373 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: him with the Rams were out here, you know, at 374 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: our facility. I'm coming in a lot of times. I'm 375 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: trying to get to know a lot of people in 376 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: the building, and he's kind of giving me a free payment. 377 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: I would love to talk ball with you at any 378 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: time while you're here in the off seasons, you know, 379 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: and get a feel for things, whether it be culture 380 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,719 Speaker 1: and leadership, and me in front of the room like 381 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: all right, great. And so we started meeting and I 382 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: go in one after noon, probably two weeks into O 383 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: T a s. And he's sitting in his office at 384 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: three o'clock in the afternoon, everybody's long gone, and he's 385 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: watching film of himself speaking to us as a team. 386 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: So he is literally videoed all our team meetings, and 387 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: he is evaluating and grading himself on his ability to 388 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: communicate his message, on what was correct or incorrect about 389 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 1: something he may or may not have said. And I 390 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: thought that was so rare that this guy is humble 391 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: enough to be like, I'm not gonna just say everything 392 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: I say is great or think that everything I do 393 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: was wonderful. I'm gonna evaluate myself and how I speak 394 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: and whether my messaging. If I was sitting in that room, 395 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: what I listened to this guy and to have that 396 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: kind of awareness to realize how important every time he 397 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: stood in front of his men, because what a rare 398 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: opportunity that is. An NFL head coach, you better treasure 399 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: it because those moments are where you're gonna spread your 400 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: message those moments or whether you're gonna get guys to 401 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: be I'm gonna play my butt off for this guy, 402 00:18:58,600 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: or you know what, I don't know if I buy 403 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: an to this guy, and those are gonna be the 404 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: moments they're gonna decide the success level of your team 405 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: because guys are gonna buy in or not. And for 406 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: him to realize how important it was for him to 407 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: evaluate every opportunity he had to sit in front of 408 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: his team and talk. I thought that was so rare 409 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: and special for a guy that young to be taking 410 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: that position. Does he get angry a lot? Oh yeah, 411 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: he he as. I call him the angry Sharks. He'll 412 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: get the angry angry Sharks going. I think that's uh, 413 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: it's fun to watch, but it's it's more it's a 414 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: practice environment. I think he loves the feeling of applying 415 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: more pressure than he thinks he'll feel on a game day. 416 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: In practice, he wants to feel like every single moment 417 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: in practice is perfect and that he can he can 418 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: make it perfect and we can do it perfect. And 419 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: even though he knows it won't be, he wants to 420 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: apply a pressure to feel like it has to be. 421 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: And I think that makes it to where when you 422 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: get on the field in a game, um, you almost 423 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: are able to play with a calm and enjoyment and 424 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: just love what you do and put a smile on 425 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: your face and just go, you know, excel and and 426 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: be great and realize that you've already put up the 427 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: most pressure you can put on yourself throughout the week, 428 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: and now you just get to go out and execute. 429 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: And I think that that's how he sees practicing and 430 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: preparing in the NFL, is really creating those opportunities where 431 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of pressure in practice so that there's 432 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: less pressure in those games. One thing I give him credit, 433 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: he's openly talked about handling the situation that transition last 434 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: year with the quarterback of Jared And I know, I'm 435 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: a Northern California guy and followed Jared very closely, and 436 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: I know that he became close family friends with you, 437 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: you know, coming over hanging out with your kids, and 438 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: the way that just kind of in the media the 439 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: league before the Stafford thing became official, it just kind 440 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: of got weird. Was that Was that an uncomfortable situation 441 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: for you team leader, knowing the guys personally, just the 442 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: way it was all kind of shaken out, Yeah, it 443 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: really was. It was. It was a tough situation for 444 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: my wife and now just because we've become close with 445 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: Jared and his family and friends and um so in 446 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: the NFL, it's always tough. As I tell guys, it's 447 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: it's you know, people forget, like you look at raw 448 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: Stairs there. Yeah, your main guys may stay, your guys 449 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: are under contract, but there's always so much change within 450 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: the roster and the group. A year and a year out, 451 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: you can almost guarantee that you won't be looking at 452 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: the same faces, whether that be coaches sometimes and and 453 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: definitely within your fifty three man roster. And so you 454 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,239 Speaker 1: develop these really close relationships and the harshness of life happens, right, 455 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: I mean, a guy gets cut or it gets injured 456 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: and he can't play anymore, or trades or he decides 457 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: that his best financial situation or best situation for him 458 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: and his family is somewhere else and you're always going 459 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: through that, But something like this where you come here 460 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: and really a young guy like Jared you're watching and 461 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: blossom and start to try to become an a lead 462 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: NFL quarterback and what that takes um to be a 463 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: part of his life and to appreciate the human and 464 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: then for this to happen, And you're like, man, I 465 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: also love Matthew Stafford. What a dog this guy is, 466 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: What an unbelievable football player. It's exciting to get to 467 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: play with him and to be a part of a 468 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: team that he's gonna be on because I've always had 469 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: a ton of respect for him. Um, it's just kind 470 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: of a you know, it's it's a big nod of emotions, right. 471 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're you're excited. On one hand, you 472 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: feel really bad for Jared in the situation, just mainly 473 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: not really because I think it's a bad situation for him, 474 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: but just because it's tough anytime you feel rejection, anytime 475 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: you feel like, all right, they chose somebody else other 476 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: than me. I don't care what we're doing in life. 477 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: You can be sure you can be playing pickleball you 478 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: don't pick me on your teeth. I'm pissed right now. 479 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: It's it's one of those things that you just you 480 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: get upset, and so you know, I can understand his feelings. 481 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: And then for Sean, I mean, what a tough situation 482 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: that was. But I also think that's what makes him 483 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: a rare human is that he made a tough decision. 484 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: He admits he feels like he could have played through 485 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: it better and done it better and being a better 486 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: leader through it, uh, communicating better because you know what, 487 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: it's also people forget he's thirty something year old head coach, 488 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: like it's the first time he's been through that situation, right, 489 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: so he's learning on the go himself. And I think 490 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: to admit your your faults and say, hey, you know what, 491 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: there's ways I could have been better. And I think 492 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: everybody kind of now can look back at it and 493 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: realize there's parts in it you wish you were better. 494 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: And I think that that's what makes it special. And 495 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: I also think it's one of those things ten years 496 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: from now, you'll look back and go, you know what, 497 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I can be I can hold my head high, 498 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: I can be proud of how this whole situation was handled, 499 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: because at least we all went about it, approached it, apologized, 500 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: handled it the best way we possibly could in the moment, 501 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: and owned it. And I think that that really makes 502 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: you proud of the way you do things at the 503 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: end of the day. I think it's easy to say now, 504 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: obviously you guys won the Super Bowl, but at the 505 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: time when the Stafford trade happened, you know, the the 506 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,959 Speaker 1: top teams wanted them, but coming from Detroit hadn't had 507 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: that much success. You guys are just coming off You 508 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: just want a playoff game. You've been to the playoffs 509 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: basically every year except the one in the one year 510 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: you went nine and seven. You guys have been winning 511 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: consistently and then there were some bumps in the road. 512 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys knew each other SEC guys, Pro 513 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: Bowls or whatever. But being around him, spending time with them, 514 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: game planning with them, grinding with them, what did you 515 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: learn about matt throughout throughout the season that maybe you 516 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: didn't know just from afar being casual friends with him. Well, first, 517 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: you can't call him matt That's the first thing I learned. Matthew. 518 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: Matthew that's a sensitive subject. Okay, so you know I 519 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: learned that lesson first. Okay, I called him mad a 520 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: couple of times, and I got correct. He get serious 521 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: on that he likes Matthew. Okay, he likes matt But hey, 522 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: I get it, you know, so people of course people 523 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: call me andy sometimes and little testy, so you know, 524 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: I can understand it. But no, you know, honestly, being 525 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: being around him, I think from Afar you always saw, uh, 526 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: this guy's tough is nail. I mean, this guy's is tough. 527 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: At the quarterback aquisition, he loves the moment like he 528 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: loved like down, you know, trying to figure out a 529 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: way to help the Lions win almost like you know, 530 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: gets fired up and just loves that moment. And and 531 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: I think that's really kind of the things you knew 532 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: about him. And obviously he's got tons of talent and 533 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: arm talent and all these things, but because of really 534 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: what was around him, you didn't know really all the 535 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: other things. How does he handle the moments, the pressure 536 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 1: being in big games? You know, because you really think 537 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: about how many times is he in the game up 538 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: until he got here where it's like a weekend and 539 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: week out, I'm in a situation where I got to 540 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: perform with the best and we're not we're not trying 541 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: to win, we're expected to win. And that was a 542 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: new thing for him, right, And so seeing him in 543 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: those moments, man, he excelled and and it and it 544 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: was special and it was really cool to see him 545 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: battle through that and really earned that respect from from 546 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 1: his teammates. And I mean, what a leader he is. 547 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: It's it's he's gonna be really successful for a long time. 548 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: Watching him handled the way he has, they're gonna have 549 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: some success for sure. Well let's start with the Super 550 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: Bowl run. Let's just go right to week eight teen. 551 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: I was there. I remember walking into the building first 552 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: and foremost you're probably numb to it. That place is 553 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: just remarkable. I mean I've never experienced I mean, Jerry's 554 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: Palace is cool. I think that place is just newer. 555 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: It's just it's crazy. I mean that places. Walking into 556 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: that building that day, it was like, this thing is 557 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: a playoff game. You guys were already in, but the 558 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: Nighters had to win to get in. And then right 559 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: before the game it's announced Trent Williams is out. It's like, 560 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: oh my God, then you guys just start mashing them. 561 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: I mean, smet it could have been thirty to nothing 562 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: in half. I think it was seventeen to three. Maybe 563 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: it was twenty to three, but it felt fifty to nothing, 564 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: you know, and then the second half, just that game, 565 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: that half and you guys lose, but the Cardinals losing, 566 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: you win the division. It was it was just a 567 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: bizarre environments. What what was that whole experience the second 568 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: half being division champs, the whole thing? What was that like? Well, 569 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's it was. It was crazy because the 570 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: emotion of that game was wild. I'll never forget. And 571 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: you know, it was one of those things that felt 572 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: like a Niners home game. I mean, it was unbelievable 573 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: the crowd support they got for that game. There was 574 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: so much emotion in it. Um I thought it was 575 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: really cool. And and then to go up big in 576 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: the game and have all the emotional emotions of that, 577 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: and then for the game to flip in the second 578 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: half and then go to overtime and you've come out 579 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: on the losing end, but then you still win your division. 580 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: There's so many like highs and lows in that it's crazy. 581 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: But you put it you put on a hat in 582 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: the locker room or not. I don't remember doing that. UM. 583 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: I think we just got you know, let's let's move 584 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: on to the playoffs. And I think that what was 585 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: cool about that is I think when we first got 586 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: here with Sean McVeigh, it was how cool the moment 587 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: was to put on the hat and just win a 588 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: division and be really about that. They hadn't had success, 589 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: but to be sitting in that locker room, we're going 590 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 1: to the playoffs, we still have a home game in 591 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: the playoffs. We won the division, and the only thing 592 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: anybody is is piste off and angry and upset. Uh. 593 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: You really could tell what the competitive greatness level was 594 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: of that football team. There was no satisfying feeling from anyone. 595 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: And I also thought one of the neatest things about 596 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: it is when you really think of culture and what 597 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: does culture mean and what what do you what do 598 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: you mean? What do you mean when you say a 599 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: team has a great culture? Uh, and a great really 600 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: locker room environment. I thought one of the coolest things 601 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: that came from that is during that week, our conversations 602 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: were not about, man, how can we figure out a 603 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 1: way to beat the Niners, or man, they're not that 604 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: good to keep getting lucky, you know, or man, they 605 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: just got all the brakes, because that's usually the topic 606 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: when you're a team kind of yourself from losing, right, 607 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: lost six times, and oh there's all these things that 608 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: always work out in their favor. That was the first 609 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: time I had been in that room with all those guys, 610 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: and and all the communication was, Man of San Francisco 611 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: forty Niners. Their unbelievable. Man, those guys are so good. 612 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: They're a great football team. They're one of the best 613 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: teams we've played this year, They're one of the best 614 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,479 Speaker 1: teams we played in the last couple of years. Like 615 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: what an elite football team they are. There was there 616 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: was a level of culture where it was like, hey, guys, 617 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: it's okay for all of us to just admit they're 618 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: a damn good football team and we're gonna have to 619 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: play our absolute best for all four quarters if we 620 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: want to beat this football team. There was no excuses. 621 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: There was no man, they get lucky, or we've been 622 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: injured when they've done this, or any of that kind 623 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: of stuff. It was literally, Hey, that team is really special, 624 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: and I think That's really what came to ahead and 625 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: we played him in the NFC Championship, is that we 626 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: walked into a team. I had to conversation with Robbie 627 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: Golden a couple of weeks ago. He was like, man, 628 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: that was the chippiest, just nastiest I've ever seen y'all's 629 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: team on the pudding Green is pudding Green talk in 630 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: the NFC Championship. He's like, from all the years we 631 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: played j'all, it was always cordial and kind of cool 632 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: and stuff, but like, that was the chippiest I've ever 633 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: saw a senior team. And I was like, dude, I 634 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: think it really took our team finally admitted, like stop 635 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: making excuses, like this team is really freaking good and 636 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: put some respect on their name. And you're gonna have 637 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,479 Speaker 1: to play your best for all four quarters and no 638 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: matter whether they're up, we're up. You're gonna have to 639 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: find a way to find the best. You got to 640 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: win this football game, and we were able to find 641 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: a way to do it in the NFC Championship. Yeah, 642 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: I want to rewand because obviously you lose that game, 643 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: you go on you throttle the Cardinals on Monday Night, 644 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: which first Monday night football game I think in the 645 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: history of the playoffs, which was pretty cool. And then 646 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: the next week you're injured and you're playing Tom Brady 647 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: and Tampa enormous game. I'm sure retirement had probably it 648 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: was kind of already out there, you you know, fourty 649 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: years old. What your thought, like, I can't even play 650 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: this playing Tampa? I mean in Tampa. Was that a 651 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: tough situation for you? Perstually? Was? I was an absolute 652 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: basket case that week sitting here at the house because 653 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: I had a procedure done that Saturday kind of drained 654 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: my knee and my ankle because I actually managed to 655 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: get both of them. And when I got rolled up 656 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: in there his own a game. And so I mean, 657 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: I think I told Sean I spent maybe half the 658 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,959 Speaker 1: morning and claws at in the fetal position, like just 659 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: watching the game. I mean, it's like kind of peeking 660 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: my head out, like what's the score now, like, you know, 661 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: because I just had to have us win because I 662 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: wanted that opportunity to play in the NFC Championship, and um, 663 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: you know, but here's the reality. I knew Joseph note 664 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: Boom the player he is, and really what he had 665 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: done for us is about years past. He was gonna 666 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: play well enough for us to win, no question. And uh, 667 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: he definitely did that. And I think that's why they 668 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: feel good about him going forward, and and no doubt 669 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: they should. So I definitely wasn't worried about that part 670 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: of it as more. As much as I knew I 671 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: would be healthy enough to play the next week, we 672 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: could tape it up, put it in a brace of 673 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: some kind, and we'd be good to go. But I 674 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: just needed that time for for to get some of 675 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: this fluid out of my ney and ankle and and 676 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: and I'd be ready to roll. So I'm not gonna 677 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: lot to you. It was hard to watch any of 678 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: the last half of that game, but man, what an 679 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: unbelievable performance. And and and back to what we said 680 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: about Stafford, I think one of the coolest he was. 681 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: He was awesome in that game. He was awesome. But 682 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: I think if you really look at the playoffs, I 683 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: think throughout the NFL regular season, Matthew Stafford figured out 684 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: how to lead a winning football team like an expectation team. Hey, 685 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,239 Speaker 1: people expect you to win. You're gonna get people's best effort. Now, 686 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: instead of being in Detroit and it's like, hey, we 687 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: can figure out a way to win this game no 688 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: matter what. We just gotta keep Stafford from hurting us. 689 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: Now you're in a situation where it's like everyone's out 690 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: to get you. How do you not lose the game? 691 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: And I think he figured out how to do that. 692 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: But if you really look at the NFL playoffs, to 693 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: me Detroit, Stafford came back out like he fought like 694 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: a guy who had his back against the wall and 695 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: it was two minutes to go in every football game, 696 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: how can Matthew Stafford find a way to will this 697 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: to what team to win? And I thought that that's 698 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: the stat Like he went back and leaned on what 699 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: he developed in Detroit that made him a tough s 700 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: ob to where people were like, man, this dude is 701 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: bad to the bone, and you're they're always in the 702 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: game because of him. He went back to that to 703 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: me and his emotions and thought that way, like hey, 704 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: I've got this opportunity, Uh, you know, I am not 705 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: letting it go. And I thought it was really special 706 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: the way he was there to perform throughout that entire 707 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: playoffs and really the leader he was in the fire 708 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: and passion he had was pretty rare. Well, obviously, you 709 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: guys get the monkey off your back. Sixth straight, you know, 710 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: losses to the Niners. McVeigh takes down Shanahan. You guys 711 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: win that game. There was a moment you were probably 712 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: on the field, but I was watching, you know, I 713 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: was kind of room for the Niners. And when Aaron 714 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: Donald goes nuts on the sideline watching with the buddy, 715 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no, this is not good. And then 716 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: you guys end up winning that game, and then you 717 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: realize you're in the Super Bowl. Life kind of comes 718 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: full circle. You're playing the Bengals. I mean, but you know, 719 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: I know you're all for two weeks or folks on 720 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: the game, but that had to be sitting with your wife. 721 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: You're a fan, Like, that's pretty wild how that played out, 722 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: is it not? It's crazy. It's unbelievable scenario. I mean, 723 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: like we've talked about it a million times with so 724 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: many different people. I mean, it's literally a movie script. 725 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: I mean to think that for eleven years, you're a 726 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: part of an organization that you helped win a lot 727 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: of football games and Vision championships and all these things 728 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: that couldn't get over the hump um of winning a 729 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: playoff game, and then to come here and to play 730 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: in a super Bowl, to win a bunch of division 731 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: championships and now be back in the super Bowl, and 732 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: and what is You've already decided months ago it is 733 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: gonna be your last CENTFL football game, and for it 734 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: to be against that team that got over the hump 735 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: and they're in the Super Bowl and you have so 736 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: much pride and joy for them. I told people, it's 737 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: like either scenario. I walked away with an appreciation for 738 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: my career in the game, because I would have been 739 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: really happy for Cincinnati in the city and what that 740 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: place meant to me and my family. But one way 741 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: I ended it where it was about, you know, my 742 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: legacy and those kind of things, and so obviously it's 743 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: the one I wanted was the Rams to win. But 744 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: I was just so happy those two weeks and proud 745 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: just to be a part of those two organizations that 746 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: I believed in, And uh, it was really really cool 747 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: experience to just be a part of something like that. 748 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: That's literally you know, you had to have somebody draw 749 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: it up for you to think that you'd ever in 750 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: in a scenario where your walk off is against your 751 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: former team that you have your heart and soul in 752 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 1: and with a team that you've poured your heart and 753 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: soul in with in l A with the rams um 754 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: really special for me. I mean from a professional standpoint, 755 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 1: becoming the Man of the Year, the speech I want 756 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: to ask you about, you know, the one moment with 757 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: the player from the Detroit Lions who spoke to you. 758 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: I think that's really cool. But just that whole just experience, 759 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: like it doesn't and then you end up winning the 760 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I mean it's to go out on top, 761 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: I mean literally on top. It just that that had 762 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: to just sometimes you have to look back and like, 763 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: this is really my life. Yeah, Walter payt Man, You're 764 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: on Thursday and a Super Bowl championship on Sunday. It's 765 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: a it's a. It was a decent four days, you know. 766 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: I mean, I have a run why not? But uh yeah, 767 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: it was. The whole experience was unbelievable and uh cool 768 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: for me. I mean as an old lineman. You know, 769 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: I called the QB life, but you know it's old lineman. 770 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: We don't we don't really get to experience much of 771 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: the NFL life of of some of the things you know, 772 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: these high profile skilled players and defensive players and quarterbacks 773 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: get to do and get invited to. But there's an 774 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: old lineman in your career and kind of feel like 775 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,240 Speaker 1: you're one of those guys and feel like you're somebody 776 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 1: that people are recognizing and um acknowledge for your greatness 777 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: and things you've done throughout your life and career. Uh, 778 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,439 Speaker 1: it was a really special way to go and something 779 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: I'll never forget and I'll always be humbled by. Can 780 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 1: you retell the story that you said at the Man 781 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: of the Year about was the player on the Detroit 782 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: Lions who can Yeah, young guy you know throughout the 783 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: game had just been kind of looking at me and 784 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: staring at me through the game, and and uh, I 785 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: knew he had something to say, because you kinta you 786 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: kinda tell in TV time outs if there's somebody you 787 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: know or whatever, we'll we'll wrap or just kind of 788 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,800 Speaker 1: talk you give a hug or something. And so I 789 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: could tell he was too nervous to say something that 790 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: he kept making eye contact like he was either trying 791 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: to figure out how old I was or you know, 792 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: or what what I was doing out there? Why why 793 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: somebody that looked like they were a coach was out there? 794 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: But after the game, you know, he'd be line for me, 795 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: and I was like, man, trying to figure out who 796 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: he was or how I might know him. And he 797 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: ends up telling me that, you know, his name's Derek 798 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: Barnes and and then I wouldn't remember him, and that 799 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: when he was a real little kid, he was probably 800 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: somewhere between six and ten years old during that time frame, Uh, 801 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: you know him and I used to throw the football 802 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 1: at the Boys and Girls Club in Cincinnati, Ohio that 803 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: I spent my tuesdays at when I was a young 804 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: players is probably my rookie, second third, fourth year and um, 805 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: he actually ends up later on, you know, having some 806 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: pictures of it that I saw. But yeah, so he 807 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: tells me that just tells me thank you, and that 808 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: he wanted to tell me that he had made it 809 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: and he made it in the NFL. And I can 810 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: remember literally getting back in the locker room and being 811 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: like what did I say back to him? Because I 812 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: don't even I was so like caught off guard and 813 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 1: kind of humbled by it that I was like an 814 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: emotional that I was kind of like, I don't even 815 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: remember what I told told him back, and I was 816 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: I went to our PR person's like, hey, can you 817 00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: find a way to get a hold of him by 818 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: me to talk to him again, because I it was 819 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,280 Speaker 1: so like, whoa wait a minute, you know how how weird? 820 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: Are just crazy that that would even happen. I mean, 821 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: the percentages of that happening are out of this world. 822 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, to have that happen in the 823 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 1: same year that all these things went down, Like I said, 824 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a movie script. It's crazy, like to 825 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: have your career kind of go for full circle and 826 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: your last year A lot of these things happened. I 827 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: thought was so special, and it was another part of 828 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: that story of playing Cincinnati and in the super Bowl 829 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: and in the city of Cincinnati, what it meant to 830 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: me and being a part of that community and all 831 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: the things I got to do there. It was crazy 832 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: that all that kind of came to a full circle 833 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: and full and ahead right there in this last year 834 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 1: that I kind of picked to be the last season 835 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,919 Speaker 1: of my career. Now that you get some free time 836 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: on your hands, can you get your handicap as low 837 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: as Kyle Williams, or is is he be too tough 838 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: to catch? He's pretty good. He's been playing golf for 839 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: a really long time. But uh, you know what I'm 840 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna do my best. I bet it won't 841 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: be lack of effort. Let's put it that way. You 842 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: get it won't be lack of effort. Get Sam Burns, 843 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: give you some lessons and you know we can get 844 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: we can get you in a little seventies, we'll go. 845 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 1: We'll do it well. Um, enjoy what's on tap, daddy daycare, 846 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: picking up, dropping off a little bit of everything today, 847 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: you know, and grab some breakfast, hang out. It's summertime, 848 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: so we're just we're rolling. Well, big wit, you went 849 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,479 Speaker 1: out on top. Congratulations on just, you know, unprecedented career. 850 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: I don't know when the next time we'll see an 851 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: offensive line is starting at forty years old. Uh, enjoy 852 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: the California lifestyle, enjoy the golf course, enjoy the family, 853 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: and uh, thanks for coming on, man, I really appreciate this. 854 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: I appreciate you man, thanks for having me on. I 855 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 1: appreciate it. The volume