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422
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Speaker 1: and you might be a presenter and vij and and so.

423
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Speaker 1: I said no, And then they did a special project

424
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Speaker 1: with me. It was called the Michael rosen Bond Project,

425
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Speaker 1: which turned into The Temp and the creators of that

426
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Speaker 1: were Louis Throw. Now, I don't know if you know

427
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Speaker 1: Louis Throw. Do you know he's the one on He's

428
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Speaker 1: the one on TikTok that voice goes the money. Don't jiggle,

429
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Speaker 1: jiggle it fold. I'd like to see you wiggle wiggle

430
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Speaker 1: show makes me money. It went wise spread. Everybody was

431
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Speaker 1: singing it, and the and the and the other guy

432
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Speaker 1: was Kent Alterman, who was the president or the head

433
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Speaker 1: of Comedy Central recently, and those two guys that had

434
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Speaker 1: this idea to do an episode of the show where

435
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Speaker 1: a guy takes over for someone's job. Each week, he

436
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Speaker 1: just takes over. I was a zookeeper for a day

437
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Speaker 1: and then I was in Cats on Broadway. Andrew Lloyd

438
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Speaker 1: Webber allowed me to be a cat on Broadway in

439
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Speaker 1: a real show. I had to take six hours of

440
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: choreography lessons. I really learned it. I had the full

441
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: makeup regalia. I could find it somewhere and post it.

442
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: It is hilarious and the show tested well, and but they,

443
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Speaker 1: I guess it was ahead of its time. Uh, they

444
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: didn't pick it up. And for whatever reason they didn't

445
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: pick it up. And Uh, that was it. Really that

446
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: was it. Then the next thing I I auditioned for

447
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: the Tom Arnold Show. It was called the Tom Show

448
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: way back when, and that was I flew into tests.

449
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: I never flying flown first class. I remember being so

450
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Speaker 1: nervous that I couldn't remember my lines. Tom was there

451
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Speaker 1: in the room and he started improvising with me and

452
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: he goes, Heyboddy, how you doing. I was like, good man.

453
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Speaker 1: He's like, hey, you got a hairy chest. Would you

454
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: shave your chest for the role? I go, I'd shave

455
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: your initials in my chest for the role, buddy. And

456
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: we just kind of hit it off and Tom Arnold

457
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Speaker 1: calls me up and long story longer, Uh, this show

458
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: ended up being the worst show on television. But it

459
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: was my first show, and I was so excited every

460
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: day to play like the sixth lead. I mean, I

461
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: had a few lines, but I worked with Ed McMahon.

462
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: Ed McMahon's trailer was right next to me, and every

463
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: day I'd say good morning Ed. He's like, good morning, sir.

464
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: I go, it was so cold last night, and he go,

465
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: how cold was it? I got it was so cold.

466
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: I saw Robin putting his worm in the microwave, weird

467
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: wound stuff, and we He would just humor me, and

468
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: I had such a blast. I used to go in

469
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: the Universal rides because it was at Universal and I launched,

470
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: I'd ride the rides. I was living the life, living

471
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Speaker 1: in a little apartment, not making a ton of money,

472
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: just so happy. It's funny when I'm bringing this up,

473
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: all these happy feelings come back. Tom was just really

474
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: supportive and the show didn't do very well. And in fact,

475
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: my my grandpa recently died and my dad sent me

476
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Speaker 1: this book of his IRIY now his diary IRV late IRV.

477
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: I love him, he'd write. In nineteen sixty nine, the

478
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: Mets won the World Series, and then he wouldn't write

479
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Speaker 1: till nineteen seventy four, and then he wouldn't write n

480
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Speaker 1: And he has a little chapter about me, and it

481
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: says grandson Mikey, he's uh, he's an actor. He recently

482
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: did the Tom Arnold show UG. Then then then he

483
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: did It's all right, I can read it, and then

484
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: again then his next project was a show called Zoe Duncan,

485
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: Jack and Jane a little less UG. And then then

486
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Speaker 1: he goes on to say I did Smallville. He said,

487
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: you know, our grandson has become a small success. I

488
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: think I was on a fucking hitch show, dude, I

489
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: was on a hit show. And he said I was.

490
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: I just thought it was so funny called me a

491
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Speaker 1: small success. He was always very proud. He was always

492
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Speaker 1: so proud, unconditional love. He is always there for me,

493
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: always wrote me letters, and but I never thought he

494
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: thought of me as a small success. Well, I don't

495
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: know if I agree with him, but I find that

496
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: very funny that your grandpa was refewing in his diary

497
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Speaker 1: that he feels the need to write down basically that

498
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: he believes he's proud that you're in it, or at

499
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: least it's worth being noted after not writing for twenty

500
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: three years in the time, but then he says the

501
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: show is shitty. He also he also he also said

502
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: something like, my grandson Michael is a millionaire. My other grandson,

503
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: Eric is not a millionaire. I was like, well, thank

504
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: you for standing stating the obvious that it was so funny.

505
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: Oh um, yeah, well Smallville, I heard you weren't excited

506
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: about it at first. Yeah, well, at first, you know,

507
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: I was. I'm not putting any shows down, but I

508
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: wasn't a big comic book fan. I was more in

509
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: a horror movie scary movies. When you were at my house,

510
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: you saw the horror movies. Yes, you were. Your room

511
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: where we record our podcast is a very impressive temple

512
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: of memorabilia and posters, signed posters by very impressive people.

513
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: You always loved horror. Yeah, you know when when I

514
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Speaker 1: was eight years old, my mother loved horror movies and

515
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Speaker 1: my father didn't because she would rent like Motel Hell

516
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Speaker 1: and make them die slowly and make this eight year

517
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: old watched them with her, and I was horrified, always scared.

518
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Speaker 1: But I just thus began the infatuation, if you will,

519
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: of of horror and that world. And I remember taking

520
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: their VCR and I take my VCR and I would

521
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: take horror movies that I rented and sit in my

522
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: room before in the morning making copies of them. So

523
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: I just fell in love with horror movies. And I

524
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: used to go to HORRORCN engines before I was ever

525
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: anybody and you know, get autographs and uh. Then I

526
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: ended up fast forward doing a movie called Urban Legend,

527
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: which was my first horror movie, and it was pretty amazing.

528
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: I was working with Robert England, Freddy Krueger and kind

529
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: of living the dream. But I've always loved horror movies.

530
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of an adrenaline rush for me.

531
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: It's like a like a roller coaster. I like to

532
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: be scared. I don't like the gory necessarily. I like

533
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: more psychological or paranormal. Those could be fun. But yeah,

534
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: I just that's that's what I like. We talked about

535
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: The Shining on your podcast. My love of Jack the

536
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: greatest horror movie ever made. The Shining is is probably

537
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: the greatest movie horror movie, everybody. One of my favorite

538
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: movies of all time. And I told you I think

539
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: my favorite scene is when um Shelley Devall's character comes

540
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: up to him and says, yeah, yeah, Jack, there's someone

541
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: in the town. They heard Danny and he looks at

542
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: her go are you out of your fucking mind? I

543
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: just loved it. I mean that was so creepy. But yeah,

544
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: I love Harmones Nightmare in Elm Street. I love the

545
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: original Nightmare and Elm Street. I got to work with

546
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Speaker 1: West Craven on a movie that wasn't great, called Cursed,

547
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: but we had a great time. And he would he

548
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: would like each take, you'd say, Rosenbaum, do it like

549
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: Christopher Walking. So I'd say my lines like Christopher Walking,

550
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill you now, and then you go do

551
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: it like Malcolm It go now what you couldn't possibly know?

552
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: And he goes, okay, now do it like Nicholson and

553
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: I go, well, what's it gonna be? You know? And

554
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: I would do the whole thing and he would just

555
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: like he was so fun. He was like a kid.

556
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: I loved Wes Craven. Oh, that's awesome. To answer your question,

557
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: you said I didn't really want small Ville. Well, you know,

558
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be like a kind of

559
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 1: silly Lewis and Clark, or it was gonna be like

560
00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: kind of goofy. I didn't know, and my agent sure me,

561
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: said hey, listen, this is gonna be dramatic. And they

562
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: wanted to be good and shot like a movie every week.

563
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: And I remember I've told the story, but you know,

564
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: seven hundred actors audition for that part. I had nothing

565
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: to lose. I was like, well, I'm not gonna get it.

566
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: I go ask them this one question, what are seven

567
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: hundred actors doing wrong? And they came back and said,

568
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: we want a sense of danger, we want a sense

569
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: of charisma, we want a sense of intellect. And I

570
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: remember all I had was three pages of dialogue. That's

571
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: all they gave me. So I said, I'm gonna be dangerous.

572
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be dangerous here, I circled it. I'm gonna

573
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: be charismatic here. I went in with no care in

574
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: the world. And I remember the casting director. She says, Okay,

575
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: you can sit down and go I'm not gonna sit

576
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: She goes, what do you mean. I go, well, I

577
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: want to stand up for this. She goes, we'll have

578
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: to re light the I go, I'm sorry. She goes, well,

579
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: you'll have to go outside for a few minutes while

580
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: I do that. She was really annoyed, and I was like, funk,

581
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: why I rehearse the standing up? I want to I

582
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: want to stand up. I want to show some power.

583
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: And I came back in and I went in there

584
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: and I left thinking, uh wow, I'll never give that

585
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: grade of an audition again. I was in control, I

586
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: was in absolute power. I was Lex Luthor. And about

587
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: a few days later, they said that Michael, they'd like

588
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: Michael to come and test for the network in the

589
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: studio and I don't know what it is and I

590
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: don't recommend this to any actor. I told them, I go,

591
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: I'm not going in there again. I will bomb. I

592
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: will never do as well as I just did. You

593
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: tell them to rewind the tape and I don't know.

594
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: He says, you're probably not gonna get this. And I

595
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: get a call a week later and they said, you're

596
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: Lex Luthor. I wasn't being a dick. I think I

597
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: was just like, I can never be as good as

598
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: I was. Just now, I can't go in there again.

599
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: They have to just look at this tape and no,

600
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: it was crazy. Have you you've ever done that before

601
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: or since? No, I've never done that since. It was

602
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: just one of those things. I don't know why I

603
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: did it, and I haven't. I haven't done that since

604
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: I've walked out of auditions. I was auditioning for this

605
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: movie and I was about to sign my name into

606
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: read for the part, and I said, yeah, I don't

607
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: feel like it, and I just walked out and I left,

608
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: and then I the movie came out and I freaking

609
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 1: loved it. I loved the movie. I loved the actor

610
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: who did it. It was Dawn of the Dad, the remake.

611
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: I for some reason, I just wasn't feeling it for

612
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: whatever reason, and I just didn't do it. And uh,

613
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: that was one of my only regrets, I guess. But

614
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: you know, I've definitely been I definitely had some auditions

615
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: where I remember auditioning for Saving Private Ryan good Well,

616
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 1: Hunting I read for. I remember a lot of big

617
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: movies that I read for and didn't get. But you know,

618
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: and have you ever had the experience. I was just

619
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: thinking about this the other day. You know, The Godfather,

620
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: and there's the basically the Frank Sinatra part, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

621
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: And he starts crying to the Godfather and he's like,

622
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: I just need this part. This part is going to

623
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: change me. It's going to redefine me. You know, it's

624
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: gonna people are gonna see me in a different way,

625
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: like and trying to you know, and then he Brando

626
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: slaps him and it's like, you know, stop crying. I

627
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: remember that. Have you ever had that feeling on anything

628
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: where you think I have to get this, this is

629
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: gonna change my life, or this is gonna change how

630
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: people see me in the in the business, or like

631
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 1: this is it. Have you ever had that experience? Well?

632
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: I have had that experience with Roles that I didn't

633
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: think we're gonna make me, but roles that I really

634
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: wanted to get that I felt like I had to get.

635
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 1: I had to get and they were all against me. Um.

636
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: But Smallville was the first time that when I saw

637
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: the pilot David Nutter, who's one of the most brilliant

638
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: directors there is. He did The Red Wedding, he did

639
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: tons of shows that on TV now. But he came

640
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: in and I did looping for the pilot, you know,

641
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: a d R because some of the sound was good,

642
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: and he showed me the opening and a scene that

643
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: I had mind you, this is this is a guy

644
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: me who I remember calling my father and saying, I'm

645
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: doing this movie and he's like, what movie, who's in it?

646
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: I go, it's an independent movie and he's like, well

647
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: then it's not real. No, no, it's okay. So this

648
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: is the kind of mentality that my parents had and

649
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: not a lot of faith in me, and uh. I

650
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: remember leaving that studio after seeing the opening of Small

651
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: Villa in my my scene where I'm fencing, and I

652
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: called my parents and I said, people are gonna know

653
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: who I am after this role. People are gonna know me.

654
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 1: I just felt it, and they're like really, I'm like, yes,

655
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: get ready. But I don't know I've chipped away, you know.

656
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: I mean throughout my career, I've kind of done great

657
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: things and shitty things and everything in between. And you know,

658
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: you learned from the shitty things, you learned from the

659
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 1: great things, and you know you just kind of try

660
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: to keep going. Yeah, and I think ultimately you don't

661
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: ever know. I mean, I I think I've had a

662
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: few of those, even things that I've gotten and then

663
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, you know, nobody watched or you know,

664
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: got canceled or you know, like whatever. Yeah, I don't know.

665
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what made me think of that? But yeah,

666
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: you know what, Brian, not to interrupt, to interrupt, you

667
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: sot to interrupt. I just thought of this. I forgot

668
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: I was doing this show. It was called Zoe, Duncan,

669
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: Jack and Jane. They fired Jeremy Renner and then they

670
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: fired this other guy and they called me into the

671
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: room and I watched the pilot they had shot with

672
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: Jeremy Renner, and I walked into this room of executives

673
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: and I said, why would you fire that? He was

674
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: so great? And they go and they looked at me.

675
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: They go because of you, because of what you're just

676
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: doing right now. And I remember they bought billboards and

677
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: subway things, and they wanted this to be the next Sign, felt,

678
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: the Young Sign felt. They poured money into it, Warner

679
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: Brothers board everywhere you look, you see my face and

680
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 1: Selma Blair and David Moscow and as You're a sky

681
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: and I thought, Wow, this is going to be big,

682
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 1: This is gonna be and it just went nowhere. It

683
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: went nowhere. We did two seasons and the ratings weren't

684
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: very good. The writing got worse because I think the

685
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: creators got fired. Uh. And it was a shame he was.

686
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: But you know that's why I think you learn as

687
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: you get older that nothing's a slam dunk. In fact,

688
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: everything's probably gonna not be a slam dunk. You just

689
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: you just gotta go hit your mark, hopefully get paid,

690
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: see what happens, to do the best you can. Ye,

691
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: you get cast in Smallville. You're not a comic book

692
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: guy as you as you said more in Horror. But

693
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: I mean you're aware of of Gene Hackman. You're aware

694
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: of you know. I mean, you're aware of Lex Luthor

695
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: and this is like an iconic role that has been

696
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: played by iconic actors in the past. Is there an

697
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: added pressure or for you? Are you just trying to

698
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: come up with your version? I mean it sounds like

699
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: you felt confident early on that you came up with

700
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: your version and kind of left the rest alone. Well,

701
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: first of all, at a convention of a couple of

702
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 1: years ago, this guy waits in line to see me,

703
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: and then once he gets up to me, goes, Gene

704
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: Hackman was the best Lex Luthor ever. And I looked

705
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: at him and I go, I agree, And then it

706
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: kind of sucked off. What and I do? I I

707
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: love Gene Hackman. You know. I went in thinking, look,

708
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: I'm an actor, make this reel, make this grounded, make

709
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: this genuine. That's what I read in the audition. Just

710
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: do that. Sure, there was like pressure. I was like,

711
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: how could they be casting me on this goofball? I

712
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,959
Speaker 1: had done silly movies, silly TV shows, and now they're

713
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: casting me as Lex freaking Louther. My friends were like,

714
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: I can't see this. What do you? What do they want?

715
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: What's happening? You have certain friends to ground you. That

716
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: was that, But um, I just did it my way.

717
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: I did it the way that I felt, and and

718
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: the creators always told me this has gotta be real,

719
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: this has gotta be genuine, and um no, no twirling

720
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: of the mustache. No, I'm Lex Luthor and I just

721
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: stuck with that. So um yeah, I don't think I

722
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: had as much pressure as I would if there were

723
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: more social media around that time. Was it your idea

724
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: or was it the creator's idea for him to have

725
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: that complexity and depth and be in a way sympathetic

726
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: and charismatic, likable. What what was the discussion surrounding how

727
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: he would be played? I think what they do? I

728
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: think what creators and writers do is they have an

729
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: idea of something and then the actor plays a part,

730
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: and from that they start to see things that that

731
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: actor is creating and the strengths that he has or

732
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: she has. And I believe that as the show slowly

733
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: went on, they started seeing certain things and they started

734
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: writing for me, writing for what they know I could do,

735
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: what I'm capable of, and they didn't know, you know,

736
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: how explosive I could, because there were times when this

737
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: character just explodes and goes through such hell that um,

738
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: I think it was they were just seeing how it

739
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: would work, and then once they saw that it worked,

740
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: they would continue pushing that envelope. But I felt like

741
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: it was always written to be charming, something behind the eyes,

742
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: something a little dangerous, just like those notes that they

743
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: gave me early on in the audition. They wanted to

744
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: sense all those things at any given time, and I

745
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: always kept that in mind. Yeah, how do you feel

746
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: like Lex's and Superman's relationship was different in Small Field

747
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: than than maybe other shows that we've seen or movies. Well,

748
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 1: it was the first time that we saw the story.

749
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: Before the story this was Clark Kent on his journey

750
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: from adolescence, you know, and Lex Luthor's these guys become

751
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: friends in the small town and slowly as their friends

752
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: they go separate ways. And so that was an interesting dynamic.

753
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: And how do you do it over the span of

754
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: ten years. I mean, they did the best they could,

755
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: and I think there were some great moments and some

756
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: great arcs. But I found it to be really compelling

757
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: and interesting. You know, you'd feel you'd root for Lex.

758
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 1: There are people that you would really root for Alex

759
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 1: because you saw what hell he went through as a child.

760
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: And when you see a villain, I think that's the

761
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: biggest problem with movies or TV now, if you're just

762
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: seeing someone be evil, but if you see why they

763
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: became evil, you see their childhood, the hell of it

764
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: they went through, and how they got here, then you

765
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: start to go, oh, but I understand, he shouldn't do that,

766
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: and he's not good, but I you know, And and

767
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: that's what I did love, because I think a lot

768
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: of people did gravitate towards that character, even though they

769
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: know inevitably will become so dark and um, you know,

770
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: I always make the joke it's Clark Kent's fault that

771
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: Lex became evil because he lied to me. If he

772
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: wouldn't have lied about his secret, we would have been

773
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: they've been best friends. We would have ruled the world together.

774
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: Been great. Right. It's complicated, right because everyone knows and

775
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 1: identifies already as ex luthor being a villain. In fact,

776
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 1: you're named one of the sixty Nastiest villains of all time.

777
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: But he is in a lot of ways, has some

778
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: similarity to the great great television of this time, which

779
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: was focused on the anti hero. For me, I mean,

780
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: you talk about Walter White or Tony Soprano, you know,

781
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: amazing characters who are sympathetic and at the same time

782
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: incredibly evil. Really, you are in that line lex slash,

783
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: you as in that line of characters created at this

784
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: time that are sort of in that mold. I never

785
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: thought about that, And that's really interesting when you talk

786
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: about those characters. That's true with Walter White. You see

787
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: that he's he's this science teacher, chemistry teacher, and you

788
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: see that he's flawed and picked on by people, and

789
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: he's just kind of going through the motions and just

790
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: can't get any respect. And like then he finds out

791
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: he has cancer or whatever and just a terrible existence,

792
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,959
Speaker 1: and then everything changes and then he becomes this evil guy,

793
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: but you still kind of you want to like him

794
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: throughout the way because like what he went through and

795
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: like he's doing all these things, but he ends up

796
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: at a point where you're just like, Okay, oh my god,

797
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: he's gone too far, right, Yeah, I do like that.

798
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: I think there needs to be more of that. I

799
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: I you know, I want to root for you know,

800
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,479
Speaker 1: it's great if you if you root for the bad guy,

801
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: if you're in a way, um just you know, if

802
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: you could relate to you know, his past or you

803
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: know what he's gone through. I think that's I think

804
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: that's really interesting. That makes for interesting TV. Well, it's

805
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: I don't know that I've shared this. Maybe maybe I

806
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: have shared this. This is about me and I'm supposed

807
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: to be talking to you. But when I was five,

808
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: I was the Wicked Witch for Halloween. And I think

809
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 1: that this is the time my dad caught some ship

810
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: for it. I mean he never specifically said, like who

811
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: said what, but that like his son is full green

812
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: make up the Wicked Witch of the West obviously in

813
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: the dress and the pat and the whole deal. And

814
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: it wasn't just that, but even early on as a kid,

815
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: those Disney characters, it was always the bad guys, and

816
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: still to this day. I mean, the Wicked Witch of

817
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 1: the West is the most interesting character, and the Wizard

818
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: of Oz. Let's be clear, those characters are so compelling

819
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: and complex that I think for me as a kid,

820
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: I gravitated toward them and it didn't you know, gender, bad, whatever,

821
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: didn't even matter. It was like what they were just

822
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: such great characters, right. Yeah, the Wicked Witch of the

823
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: West is one of the scariest characters or villains in

824
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: the history of cinema, hands down. I have a giant

825
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: portrait of her. I think Elmira mulch and h. I

826
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: have it downstairs and still to this day, I I

827
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 1: she scares me, so I don't see anything wrong with that. Yeah. Um,

828
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: your time on on Smallville comes to an end ten

829
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: ten years. I did seven seven for you. Uh, talk

830
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: to me when you find out it's coming to an end.

831
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: Are you happy at this point? Do you feel like

832
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: your time is done? Yeah? You know, my contract was

833
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: for six years. I signed on for a seventh and

834
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: they wanted me for three more years, and I just

835
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: felt like I had done all that I could, and

836
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 1: I felt like I was getting bored with the same

837
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: kind of storyline and I've done what I needed to do,

838
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: and so I just decided I'd let them know ahead

839
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: of time that this is my last season. And a

840
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: lot of people thought I quit the show, and I

841
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 1: was like, no, I actually signed on for another year.

842
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: I just I'm not gonna do ten years of this.

843
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Speaker 1: So it was emotional. In fact, I came back for

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Speaker 1: the final episode the series finale, and we did and

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Speaker 1: I'm glad I did it. It would kind of like

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Speaker 1: put an exclamation point on the end of my run

847
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: on the show and the show itself, but um, it

848
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: was emotional. These people that and you know that us.

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00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: I've spent more time with Natalie, my makeup artist, than

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Speaker 1: I have with my mother and my entire life. Right

851
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: in my entire life. I've had more conversations in the

852
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: in two days than I've ever had with my mother.

853
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 1: She was my mother, she was my family. All these

854
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 1: the crew, and it was just like, these are people

855
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: that you walk every day. You see, this is your life.

856
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: And so when it ended, it was it was depression.

857
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my god, this is an

858
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: end of an era. This is ten months a year

859
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: for seven years. And it took some time to sort

860
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: of like kind of clean that in my system and

861
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: and move on to start directing and do my podcasts

862
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: and do other things, and so, uh, it definitely was

863
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: emotional and um an amazing time of my life. Yeah,

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00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: you talked about having no voice over experience earlier, but

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Speaker 1: you do Justice League. How many years of Justice League?

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Speaker 1: Are you still doing it? No? I did Justice League

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Speaker 1: for three or four years, but then I've done like

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Speaker 1: Thornberry's the Jackie Chan Chronicles. Uh, there were tons. I've

869
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: done so much voiceover and all that. But what's funny

870
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: is I was doing so well with voiceover and then

871
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: I got in more into acting. I started doing more

872
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: TV and movies, and I kind of let the voiceover

873
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: stuff go away. And now I'm trying to get back

874
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: into it, and it's like this little click. It's hard

875
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: to get back into. I'm like, they have their guys,

876
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: they don't want me anymore, and people like, yes, that's

877
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: your good voice, but well, what do you want me

878
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: to do about it? So I try to get back

879
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 1: into it. I'd like to do more ride with ease, Chevrolet.

880
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: I'd like to do a Chevrolet spot. Do you do

881
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: a lot? I do some, I don't do a lot.

882
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: I've gotten quite a bit of projects, but I'm still

883
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: not one of I'm not in that click that you're

884
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: referring to. And for those of you who don't know,

885
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: it's because your face is not seen. There are directors

886
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: and cat thing directors and very talented ones who again

887
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: know who's reliable and who's nice to work with. And

888
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: because it's not about seeing the same face over and

889
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: over and people can change their voice, they just call

890
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: the same people. And so it's very difficult. It's very

891
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: difficult to get on that that speed dial. It is. Yeah,

892
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: I just I want to be in that world again. Though.

893
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: It's a fun world. It's cool people, it's a it's easy,

894
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: it's you know, creative. I just I like you don't

895
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: have to put makeup on to do voiceovers. Talk to

896
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: me just a little bit about Impastor. Oh man, I

897
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: love that show. It was the short lived show. Uh

898
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: TV Land wanted to do something darker. It was about

899
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: a guy who was a criminal who poses as a

900
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 1: gay pastor in the small town. It was a funny

901
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: quirky little show. You can watch the first two seasons

902
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: on Hulu. People really love the show. It's just it's

903
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: kind of like a fletched sort of character and way, yeah,

904
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm funny, physical comedy, I'm a pot smoking imbecile,

905
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: and just all the trouble that he gets into and

906
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 1: in the sweet little town working for this church giving

907
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: fake sermons and came out like four or five years ago.

908
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: I love doing it. It was a great job. And uh,

909
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,919
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, they canceled after two seasons. They said

910
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: at the time they just wanted something more female oriented.

911
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: So I was like, well, I guess this isn't it. Well,

912
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the show, and uh, I enjoyed the

913
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: show since reading the pilot. Someone sent me the pilot

914
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: to read. Apparently somebody thought someone else would do a

915
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: better job as the as the impastor. I don't know,

916
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: you're a pastor too. I did, Yes, I did, and

917
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 1: I would have been great in a different way. I

918
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: would have not been you. You would have been you

919
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: would have been you. I would have been me and

920
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 1: not about you. But I actually I thought the script

921
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: was so great. It was one of those where I

922
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, I would love to do this.

923
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: I would love because again, it would have been very,

924
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: very different for me. Um, but apparently they went with you.

925
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: That didn't last long. But it was a blast. It

926
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: was a blast, It was a dream job. I wish

927
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: that show would have went on. A lot of people

928
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: wanted that show to continue, and uh, it would have

929
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: been fun. But you know, that's that's life. That's that's

930
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: the industry. That's the industry. I could talk to you forever. Gardens,

931
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 1: Guardians of the Galaxy. Now you're coming back for part three? Yes,

932
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: some Part three I filmed last year and I also

933
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: filmed this year, So I'm coming back as Martin X,

934
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: who in the comments was one of the original Guardians.

935
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: Now he's a Ravager. I'm I'm sliced alone sidekick coming

936
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: back for Guardians three, which will be out in two

937
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: thousand twenty three. And then I got my podcasts one

938
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: that you were on. I love it. I have been

939
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: going back to listen, favorite favorite interview. Well you Honestly,

940
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: I'm not saying because you're here, but you were fantastic

941
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 1: when you left. That was like, that was freaking great.

942
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: You're just so charismatic and fun to be around. That's

943
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: why we must eat chili and go golf. And we will,

944
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 1: we will do that. We will. Besides me though, UM,

945
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: I love Bob oden Kirk, I loved Judd Apatel, I

946
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: loved uh Zach Levy, Stephen M. L from Arrow, I

947
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,919
Speaker 1: love Henry Winkler. Um. I mean there are so many

948
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: great ones that I really love Crispin Glover. Um. But

949
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: it's it's great. You know. What I love about the

950
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: podcast is that we talked about someone's life, but it's

951
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 1: very candid. It's not very you know, two actors talking,

952
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: but it's more about people and talking about you know,

953
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: mental health and life and how they get by, how

954
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: they face adversity. And so it's called Inside of You

955
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: with micro rosamum. So and you're you're one of my

956
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: favorite guests ever. And uh it was exciting listen. I

957
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: truly I could talk to you all day. We discussed

958
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: we have to keep it to an hour. Maybe they'll

959
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: be apart, maybe there'll be a part two at some point.

960
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: Any anytime I've been known to do that. UM. I

961
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: have so so enjoyed getting to know you both on

962
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: on your podcast and here today, and uh, this is

963
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 1: the start of a beautiful thing. That's what I said.

964
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: That's what really is to the start of think so too.

965
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: I I adore you, I adore your talent, adore you

966
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: having me on the show. I can't wait to hang

967
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 1: out with you and your Your producers are very lovely,

968
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: high ladies. Good to see you well. They are amazing. Uh, Michael,

969
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: thank you so much. That was amazing. You know it,

970
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: I know it. Everyone knows it. Thank you, Michael, Thank

971
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: you so much. Great talking to you. Thank you for

972
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: stopping by. Listeners. Make sure you check out his podcast

973
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum to see what it's

974
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: like when our roles are reversed. I asked him questions,

975
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: he asks me questions. Spoiler alert, It is awesome. While

976
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: you're at it, give us a follow at Off the

977
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 1: Beat on Instagram. Tell your five closest friends how amazing

978
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: this podcast is. That would be your gift to me.

979
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: Tell five people how much you enjoyed listening to the

980
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: podcast today, and I will consider you my new best friends. Yep,

981
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: that's all. I'll be back next week, same time, but

982
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: with a new guest and a new episode. For your

983
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: well you're listening. Pleasure, We'll see you then. Off the

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Speaker 1: Beat is hosted an executive produced by me Brian ba Gartner,

985
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: alongside our executive producer Langley. Our producers are Diego Tapia,

986
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: Liz Hayes, Hannah Harris and Emily Carr. Our talent producer

987
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 1: is Ryan Papa Zachary, and our intern is Sammy Katz.

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00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: Our theme song Bubble and Squeak, performed by my great

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Speaker 1: friend Creed Bratton,