1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:03,159 Speaker 1: Gamsite media. 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 2: Who's here, guys, The one and only sentiment t wits 3 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 2: my sister, heykay. 4 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 3: D one, the only Alisha money yo. 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: Gang Gang and we out. That's Larry Ortiz. His Facebook 6 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: page is still up and he left a whole lot 7 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: of videos on it, almost ten years of Larry talking 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: to the camera. That one where he's goofing around his 9 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: little sister Alicia is from the spring of twenty twenty one. 10 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: He caught a lot of milestones over those years, holidays, birthdays, 11 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. But there are a lot of 12 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: random moments too, the stuff you'd file under miscellaneous. He's 13 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: a big man, solid. Yeah, there's a sweetness there, a 14 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: gentleness in the eyes and the smile. Sometimes he's goofy, 15 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: sometimes he's serious. But in all of those videos, all 16 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: of those moments, he's sincere. He's not play acting, not 17 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: curating his image. He's just being Larry. Who want to 18 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:14,199 Speaker 1: start off by. 19 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: Remember my uncle Gilbert Gonzalez, our uncle who passed away 20 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 2: from als Lugare's disease. 21 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: So this is for you. 22 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 4: We wish he were still of gears. 23 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, he did the ice back of challenge 24 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: to raise awareness for als. He nominates his brother Gabe 25 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: to go next. 26 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 3: So let's get it started. 27 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 5: Why so? 28 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: And here he is on a zip line in Las 29 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: Vegas with his son Larry the Third, take it out. 30 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: Third, look about to take off. We're next. 31 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you want to be a down and so 32 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 3: when you go up? 33 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: This is from twenty sixteen Larry with his nephew p J. 34 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: Yeah you can, yeah, you can eat peoples. But why 35 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: do you want to eat people? You want to be 36 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: a seper superhero? 37 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 4: I do. 38 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 2: I thought I thought you like saving people, helping helping people. 39 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: And then with his son Third in April of twenty seventeen, go. 40 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: And take him to a strip of tonight. It's going down. 41 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 2: If anybody want to go to Seoul, pais tonight and 42 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: right third into Manhood y'all love, y'all more welcome to 43 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 2: join us. 44 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: On that also happened to be Easter weekend. 45 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: Y'all's loved ones man, remember man, but this weekend's all 46 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 2: about Jess Christ. 47 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: On a bright morning in August twenty twenty two, Larry 48 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: was in an industrial parking lot on the Texas coast 49 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: talking to the selfie can run. 50 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 2: Good morning, guys, I just want to let everybody know that. 51 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: And if you have somebody in your home that leaves 52 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: every morning for work, I don't care what kind of 53 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 2: job it is. I don't care what they do. If 54 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 2: they leaving every morning for work to provide for you 55 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: and your family, tell them thank you. Let them know 56 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: you care, because they might not. They might not come back. 57 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: You know, I've been I've been in an accident myself 58 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: before and almost didn't make it back, and I'm grateful. 59 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: So today we had a similar incident here at work 60 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: and arison in the all of us home. So again, 61 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: y'all let y'all's family know, y'all love him. You might 62 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: not see him again, That's all. God bless. 63 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: Six months later, Larry was dead. From Campside Media and 64 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: iHeart Podcasts, This is the Brothers or Tees Episode six, Confessions, 65 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: I'm Sean Flynnon Summer twenty twelve, Larry's building his post 66 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: prison life, making up for lost time with his kids. 67 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: With his wife. He's working a legit job as a pipefitter, 68 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: which is like a plumber, but for gases and chemicals. 69 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: In August, he was working at a chemical plant in Brazil, 70 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: Loria County, just a few miles from home. He was 71 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: working above the plant floor, high enough that he was 72 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: snugged up in a safety harness that was tethered to 73 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: an overhead beam. If he slipped, that harness attached to 74 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: that beam would keep him from falling to the floor. 75 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: But then the beam fell. 76 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 3: Apparently these bolts, and I mean large bolts keeping this 77 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 3: beam and were corroded. 78 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: This is Larry's big brother, Gab And so my. 79 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 3: Brother's doing some work and he's probably leaning over, and 80 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, the bolts just break and the 81 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 3: beam collapses hits him on the head. I don't know 82 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 3: how much it weighed, but it's steel beam falling on 83 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 3: top of his head, cracked his hard hat, knocked him unconscious, 84 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 3: and he was actually life flighted to a hospital in Houston. 85 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 5: My mom called and she said that he had fallen 86 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 5: out of the sky and got hid in the head. 87 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: Larry's daughter, Larissa, it was awful. 88 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 6: We didn't know how he was going to make it, 89 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 6: if he was going to make it. 90 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 3: Initially they were saying he sustained some severe brain injury, 91 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 3: and you know, not sure if he's gonna walk. You know, 92 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,239 Speaker 3: all these really you know, serious things that the doctors 93 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 3: were saying. 94 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: Let's marinate in the context here for a moment. Larry 95 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: spent the best years of his life, a good chunk 96 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: of them, and most of his children's childhoods in jail, 97 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: in prison, or on the run. His own fault, sure, 98 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: but he finally left that life. He was doing the 99 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: right thing by his kids, by his wife, playing by 100 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: the rules, and then out of nowhere, a few hundred 101 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 1: pounds of steel fall in his head. It was like 102 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: a cheap shot from fate. His recovery, just to get 103 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: him functioning again took months, but he stuck with it, 104 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: did the rehab, and came almost all the way back. 105 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 3: It did take him a little while to kind of walk. 106 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 3: He always had some severe back pain. But you know, 107 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 3: after several months a couple of years, it seemed like 108 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 3: he was relatively normal. 109 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: Larry couldn't work while he was healing, which Larissa says 110 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: might have been the most difficult part. Remember, Larry was 111 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: always a hard worker, not the kind of guy that 112 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: lay around the house. On the other hand, he had 113 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: time to reflect. Almost dying tends to make people reconsider 114 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: their priorities. 115 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 7: It's like a light went off Whenever that accident. 116 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: Happened, Alicia, Larry's sister. 117 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 7: He was like, I got to get my stuff together, 118 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 7: you know, because his kids were getting bigger. He had 119 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 7: nieces and nephews looking up to him. Of course he 120 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 7: always seen me looking up to him too. 121 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 8: You know. 122 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: Larry eventually went back to work, but he also sued 123 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: the company whose beam fell on his head. In the 124 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: spring of twenty fourteen, Larry and the company settled out 125 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: of court for what Larry's family says was one point 126 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: two million dollars for a rehabilitated drug dealer, for an 127 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: ex con trying to make for lost time. That kind 128 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: of money is life changing, Probably not worth getting his 129 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: skull crushed, but silver linings and all. 130 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 9: One day they're like, we're going to go a house 131 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 9: shop and we're going to buy a house. 132 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: This is Larry and Kissy's eldest daughter, Nadlin, And I'm. 133 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 9: Like, what, Like, we're rich, we got money, Like we 134 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 9: could do that. 135 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, they could. Larry had no shortage of informal financial advisors. 136 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: His brother, his cousin's, aunts, uncles. They all told him 137 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: basically the same thing. One point two million isn't as 138 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 1: much as you think, be careful, frugal, think about the future, 139 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: make it last. Larry took that advice. He told Gabe 140 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: that he'd set aside three hundred thousand dollars into a 141 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: retirement fund of some kind, someplace where he couldn't touch 142 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: it for years, and the one thing he splurged on 143 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: was a house. 144 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 9: Get in the house. I feel like it brought our 145 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 9: home back together as one. 146 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 3: You know. 147 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: Natlin was nineteen years old and pregnant with Larry and 148 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: Kissy's first grandchild when Larry paid two hundred and twenty 149 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: thousand dollars for brick house on a county road in Engleton. 150 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: It wasn't an extravagant piece of real estate, four bedrooms, 151 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: two baths, eighteen hundred square feet on two and a 152 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: quarter acres, but for the family, it was paradise. 153 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 6: Ah, so beautiful. 154 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 9: It was like heaven on earth. And we were so 155 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 9: happy for my dad's Like, Dad, you did it like 156 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 9: he was so happy. It was just like so much 157 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 9: on your shoulder and you can just like breathe like, 158 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 9: and he was like, this is ours, this is our house. 159 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 8: You know. 160 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 3: It was so fun. 161 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 5: We all had our own rooms, so that was pretty cool. 162 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: Here's Larissa. 163 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 5: I was still in high school, and he helped me 164 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 5: pick out my paint colors and he painted the room 165 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 5: with me. I remember painting it till and we turned 166 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 5: the doors into chalk paint so that when everyone came 167 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 5: over they signed my door for me. I hung up 168 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 5: all my trophies and all my medals and my track 169 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 5: cleats and everything, all my basketball stuff. 170 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 6: We hung it all up on my wall. 171 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: And that was only the beginning. Larry was just getting started. 172 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 9: He was like, you know what, I always wanted to 173 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 9: pull for you guys, and I'm like a pool. He 174 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 9: was like, yeah, go look outside like their already abuilding, 175 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 9: and gay were like, okay, did you hit the lotto? 176 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 3: Like what is going on? 177 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 6: You know? 178 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 9: But we knew like from the settlement and stuff. 179 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 5: And then that's when he started his main cave. 180 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: Larry's man cave was somewhat legendary. It was a separate 181 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 1: building he put up next to the house and he 182 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,479 Speaker 1: stuffed it with TVs and comfortable chairs. 183 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 5: Then he got us a big ol'd four wheeler. I 184 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 5: think we had two at the time, so we would 185 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 5: always have fun writing those down the roads and stuff. 186 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 5: Like everybody always wanted to just come over to our 187 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 5: house because we had all this fun stuff to do. 188 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 8: That was the party house. 189 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 6: We used to have a whole bunch of parties there. 190 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 5: My brother was always throwing parties always. 191 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: Parents ideally aren't supposed to have favorites among their children, 192 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: and maybe Larry didn't have a favorite, but to his 193 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: daughters and a lot of other people in the family, 194 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: his youngest child, Larry the Third was clearly the favorite. 195 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 5: He was the one having the party. He's keep in mind, 196 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 5: if we would have asked to have to party or 197 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 5: have someone stay the night, it was going to be no, 198 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 5: you know. So I kind of was like, I feel 199 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 5: like he's just. 200 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 4: Fool brought in. 201 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: These wounds for Larissa are still pretty raw. We don't 202 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: know how Third feels about it, because he wouldn't talk 203 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: to us. We reached out the third multiple times and 204 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: through multiple people, and he did not get back to us. 205 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: But back to Larry and the trick's fate seemed to 206 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: be playing on him. His misbehavior had cost him all 207 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: those years, but then his misfortune, that steal beam falling 208 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: on his head gave him the resources to try and 209 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: make it right with his family. His friends. Larry, so 210 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: far as we know, never shared details of his criminal 211 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: life with his kids, but they knew the basic outlines. 212 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: They also knew he wanted something better for them. 213 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 5: He did say he was always getting in trouble, and 214 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 5: so when he came home he was just always like 215 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 5: very big on us, like not repeating the same things. 216 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 5: He would just always be like, you know, this is 217 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 5: what I want for all in life. And all I 218 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 5: asked her all to do is graduate. 219 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: Larry never graduated. He dropped out and got a ged, 220 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: but Nadlin did and as an honorable student. Larissa, on 221 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: the other hand, she struggled. Like her uncle Gabe, she graduated, 222 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: but just barely, and only after a panicky last minute sprint. 223 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 6: I was fresh out of high school. 224 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 5: I was partying line. I didn't really know what I 225 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 5: wanted in life. 226 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: Yet Larry had an idea. 227 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 5: I felt like he was always pushing the Air Force. 228 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: On me, and so, also like Uncle Gabe, Larissa went 229 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: to see a recruiter. She took the ASVAP, the military 230 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: Aptitude test, but her score wasn't high enough to enlist. 231 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 6: After that, I was just like Dad, I tried already. 232 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 5: I don't want to do that, and he was like, well, 233 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 5: whatever you want to do, mom, Like, whatever you decide 234 00:12:58,440 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 5: to you just do it. 235 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: Larry put her through bartending school, and not long after, 236 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 1: when she was twenty one, Larissa also got pregnant. Her 237 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: father was the first person she told. He hosted her 238 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: baby shower and his man cave. 239 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 5: He put a big old teddy bear in a big 240 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 5: old wooded box and just put a blue bow tie 241 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,719 Speaker 5: on it. And so when he pulled the bear out 242 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 5: for everyone to guess what the gender was, we all 243 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 5: were looking confused. 244 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 6: He was like, what is it? 245 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 5: You know, what is a boy? 246 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 6: Girl? 247 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 5: And he's like, it's a boy. 248 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 6: Look at the blue bow tie. 249 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 8: Dad. 250 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 5: No one was going to guess that, Like where you 251 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 5: just but it was still cute, you know, the idea 252 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 5: that he came up with it. 253 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: In those years after Larry was released from prison, when 254 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: he'd done his time and learned a trade and bought 255 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: a house, he and his brother Gabe were able to 256 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: rebuild their relationship too. In August of twenty twelve, about 257 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: the same time a beam was falling on Larry's head, 258 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: Gabe by then Captain Ortiz, and the Criminal Investigations Division 259 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: transferred to headquarters in Austin. The brothers were now physically 260 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: closer to each other. It's only about four hours from 261 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 1: Austin to Bresoria County, and metaphorically closer too. They were 262 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: both on the same side of the law and the 263 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: same side of prison bars. 264 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 3: He'd either come to Austin or we'd go down there, 265 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 3: and we had a really really close relationship. It kind 266 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 3: of became it kind of became a thing that we 267 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 3: would spend our birthdays together because his birthday was June 268 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: fourth and minus June ninth, and we would I remember, 269 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 3: you know, even when we were kids, it was like 270 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 3: we'd get one big cake and we shared the cake. 271 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 3: And so we kind of continued that tradition when we 272 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 3: moved to Austin, and it was always, you know, the 273 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 3: call would come in probably you know, round May, and 274 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 3: whether it was me or him and were like, hey, 275 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 3: what are we doing for our birthdays this year? It 276 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 3: was really I mean, it was just like you would 277 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 3: expect two brothers to be. 278 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: Those were good years. But not too long after that 279 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: baby shower, in the summer of twenty nineteen, he sold 280 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: the house, that piece of heaven on Earth. He tried 281 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: to tell his cousin Vanessa that it was prone to flooding, 282 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: but she didn't believe him. Larry was having an affair. 283 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: Everyone in Brissouria County apparently knew. His wife Kissy had 284 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: caught him and she stayed. But the short version from 285 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: there is that Kissy didn't want to live in that 286 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: area anymore. But that wasn't the only secret Larry was keeping. 287 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: November twenty twenty two, Larry and Kiss You're coming to 288 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: Austin to spend Thanksgiving with Gabe and his wife Melinda. 289 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: They haven't seen each other for a few months, and 290 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: at the last minute Larry's delayed. 291 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 3: He hauled and said, hey, bro man, we're still coming, 292 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 3: but I've got some things I got to do before 293 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: We had that way and I'm like, what are you doing? 294 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 3: He said, well, we just got evicted from our apartment 295 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 3: and I was like what. He's like, I don't have 296 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 3: time to explain. I'll tell you later, but we're moving 297 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 3: stuff into storage right now. So they get here, and 298 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 3: you know, anytime we get together, it's it's always a 299 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 3: good time. 300 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: Oh we don't get it together, don't hear it together? 301 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 6: Look, Larry's does only get him get into it. 302 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: I think he's feeling the words right him, and right. 303 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 9: He's feeling it everything. 304 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: They're dancing in the kitchen, Gabe and Larry. Gabe is 305 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: wearing a cowboy hat and a Johnny Cash T shirt 306 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: and Larry his head shaved, ear pierced arms, totally inked. 307 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: He's really into tears for fears. Gabe is not immediately 308 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: Grilla's brother about why he's getting kicked out of apartments. 309 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: It's the holidays, why you make it hard. They have 310 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: a lovely dinner and then they go out to a 311 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: couple of bars at some point kiss him, Me, Linda 312 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: go off on their own, and Gave and Larry wind 313 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: their way back to the house. 314 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 3: We're having a few drinks on the back patio. We're 315 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 3: talking and he just I didn't I don't even know 316 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 3: that we were even talking about financing. But he decides 317 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 3: to tell me that He's like, bro, I'm completely broke. 318 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 3: And I was like, well, what do you mean. He's like, 319 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 3: I'm bro I have no money and most of our 320 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 3: credit cards are maxed out. I've gotten loans that I 321 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 3: can't pay back. I'm like, wait, you still have that 322 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 3: three hundred thousand dollars that the advisors told you to 323 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 3: invest in. He said, Bro, I don't have that. It's gone. Bro, 324 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 3: I had to get into that money. I'm like, bro, 325 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 3: you essentially went through six hundred thousand dollars in the 326 00:17:54,359 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 3: last two three years. He's like, yeah, it's gone. And 327 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 3: he's actually he's getting emotional about it. 328 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 6: Monee would burn a hole in his pocket. 329 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: Larry's cousin, Vanessa, knew some things that Gabe didn't like. 330 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: For instance, how Larry had been borrowing against the accident 331 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: sentiment before he even got it. 332 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 6: He was like, Oh, I just need it for this 333 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 6: or that, And I'm like, do you really do you 334 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 6: really need it? I mean we all had that conversation 335 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 6: with him. 336 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: Like prea can stop, Larry did not stop. He liked 337 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: to have a good time and he wanted the people 338 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: around him to have a good time. There were trips Miami, Atlanta. 339 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: He took Vanessa to Las Vegas for her birthday. 340 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 4: I'm cool, it's Vegas. Like, I'm not even going to 341 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 4: be in the room long. I don't need the penthouse. 342 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 6: Well, Larry was a show bote. He needs the penthouse. 343 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: He spent big in the nightclubs, reserved sections, bottle service, 344 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: the works. 345 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 4: We went out to Club Live, which was a really 346 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 4: popular Miami nightclub, and. 347 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 6: It was we were right here and P Diddy was 348 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 6: right here. No baby oiled, but that was him. That's like, 349 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 6: he just if we're gonna do it, we're gonna do 350 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 6: it big. And I'm like, well, we can do it medium. 351 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 4: But he liked what he liked, and I think part 352 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 4: of him was addicted to that lifestyle and being the guy, 353 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 4: the local, you know, local celebrity in his own right. 354 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, Gabe wasn't oblivious to the spending. 355 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 3: There was a time where I'm seeing him and kiss 356 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 3: He's going through all this money, And I jokingly told 357 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 3: my wife, I'm like, who do they think they are? 358 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 3: Like jay Z and Beyonce. I'm like, they are taking 359 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 3: trips to Vegas or taking trips to Destined Florida to 360 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 3: Orlando almost every weekend. Man, they are all over the place. 361 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 3: They're going to comedy shows, concerts and getting like VIP 362 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 3: passes and all these different things. I'm like, wow, I 363 00:19:58,720 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 3: wish I could do that. 364 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: Larry's finances weren't Gabe's business, so he never knew enough 365 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: to do the math. He wouldn't have known Larry was 366 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: broke if he hadn't confessed it when they were drinking 367 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: whiskey on the patio. 368 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 3: He just shared with me that he has essentially screwed 369 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 3: off all this money. And it was finally one of 370 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 3: those moments where I'm like, Okay, if he's opening up 371 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 3: about that, what else can I ask him that he's 372 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 3: going to share with me? So then I'm beginning to 373 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 3: ask him, why did you get in the dope game? 374 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 3: Like why did you decide to take that path? 375 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: In thirty years, Gabe had never asked that question. Now, 376 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: in fairness, for a long time, why didn't really matter. 377 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: Gabe was so far away, either in the Air Force 378 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: or bell Passo, that untangling the details of his brother's 379 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: fuck ups was in exercise and futility. And the four 380 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: years when he was close enough, when he was posted 381 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: a like Jackson's, a rookie state trooper, were ironically four 382 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: years when the less he knew the better, and then 383 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: it was all in the past. Larry outgrew his street 384 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: corner dealing his small town gang banging. He did his time, 385 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: paid his price. He and Gabe were close again. Sure, 386 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: Gabe was curious, but why go dredging. 387 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 3: Through the past. 388 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: Except now Larry was opening up. He wanted to talk. 389 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 3: And he looked at me with tears in his eyes, 390 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 3: and he says, you left me. He's like, bro, you 391 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 3: left me when we were kids. He's like, I looked 392 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 3: up to you and he left me behind. He's like, 393 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 3: you took care of me, You made sure that I 394 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 3: didn't get in any trouble when man, I just felt 395 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 3: lost without you. 396 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: That wasn't the answer Gabe was expecting. 397 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 3: I was like, hey, man, bro, I love you. I said, 398 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 3: that's not fair, that that's absolutely not fair for you 399 00:21:59,560 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 3: to say that. 400 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: No, of course it wasn't fair. But in the moment, 401 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: and for a lot of moments after that, it's stung. 402 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: How could it not his little brother, who he did 403 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: look out for, who he did try to take care of, 404 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: he pissed away the best years of his life. And 405 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: he said it was Gabe's. 406 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 3: Fault, and maybe in his mind he felt like that 407 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 3: was his way to justify while he got in the game. 408 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 3: But you know what, things have been different had I 409 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 3: been around. But honestly, I could have easily gone down 410 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 3: the same path had it stuck. 411 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: Around and that was the hard truth of it. It 412 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: wasn't the Gabe left. It's said Larry didn't gable sort 413 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: all that out later, but that night on the patio. 414 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: He still has questions. It occurs to him that while 415 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: he knew Larry was involved with drugs was in the game, 416 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: he didn't know any of the details. 417 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 3: I asked him, like when you were in the game, Like, 418 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 3: what kind of I know you Obviously we're selling crack 419 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 3: because I saw it firsthand. He said, oh, Bro, that 420 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 3: was when we was first started. He said, we were 421 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 3: moving keylos of cocaine to all the major cities in 422 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 3: the United States. Like they would get rental cars and 423 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 3: load duffel bags full of kilos of cocaine and transport 424 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 3: them to all the major cities, mostly Midwest and East Coast. 425 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 3: And I'm like, wait what he said? Yeah, Bro, he 426 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 3: said we were moving some big weight and I'm like 427 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 3: here all along in my mind, I'm thinking, okay, he's 428 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 3: out selling crack rocks, you know, but apparently they were 429 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 3: moving a lot of a lot of coke. 430 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: Gabe knows what you're thinking. 431 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 3: People probably you know listening, are going to think like, Okay, 432 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 3: this guy's a seasoned investigator, and he didn't really pick 433 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 3: up on this on it, you know, for you know, 434 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 3: his own brother. But it's it's, it's, it's it's it's 435 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 3: just strange to explain that. I guess the me trying 436 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 3: to keep that keep that separation, you know, keep keep 437 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 3: a distance. Yeah, and. 438 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: A lot of that. 439 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 3: I'm sure he tried to hide for me or he 440 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 3: actually he did hide for me. He did a really 441 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 3: good job of doing that. But uh, yeah, it was 442 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 3: just yeah, I guess in my mind, you know, like 443 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 3: the pictures I showed you and you know, you know, childhood, 444 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 3: I want I wanted it to be that. 445 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: There's more. 446 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 3: I was asking him about, you know, the gang, like, 447 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 3: so when did you start running around with the crips. 448 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 3: He's like, well, you know, we were just all a 449 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 3: couple of guys from a neighborhood got together because it 450 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 3: was this other gang that was Foreman, that the Gulf 451 00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 3: Coast Gangsters. 452 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: Larry keeps talking. He tells Gabe that when he was 453 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: a teenager, this other gang, the Gulf Coast Gangsters, did 454 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: a drive by and Larry and a friend. 455 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 3: Nobody got hurt, nobody got hit, and Larry decides to 456 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 3: go after the Golf Ghost gangsters and they're looking. It 457 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 3: happens to see one of the members at a gas station. 458 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 3: Larry gets out and it's like something you would see 459 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 3: out of the movie. Walks is walking toward the guy 460 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 3: and starts shooting at him and actually hits the guy 461 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 3: and believes he kills him. And I was like, like, 462 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 3: what the fuck you shot? You know, you shot and 463 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 3: almost killed some money and you're just now telling me this. 464 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,479 Speaker 1: The Gulf Coast gangster he shot survived and even though 465 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: he knew it was Larry who shot him, he declined 466 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: to cooperate with law enforcement, which is why maybe Gabe 467 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: is only hearing about it some twenty years later. 468 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, what else do I are you 469 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 3: not telling? Like what else do I not know? You know, like, hey, 470 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 3: you're sharing a lot with me here, let's let's continue, 471 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 3: Like I'm just what else do I not know? 472 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: There was one more thing? 473 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 3: Like shit, like really in disbelief. 474 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: Turns out Larry wasn't a street corner hood rat. He 475 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: was a much bigger gangster, a much bigger dealer than 476 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: Gabe ever knew. But he still had one more thing 477 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: to confess. 478 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 3: He decides to tell me that that he never got 479 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 3: out of the game. 480 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: Larry was still up until Thanksgiving twenty twenty two. In 481 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: the Dope Game. 482 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 3: He said, I still had homeboys that you know that 483 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 3: can move wait for me. That was his way of 484 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 3: investing his money. 485 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 6: We were talking one day and I find out that 486 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 6: he had given someone some money to go like. 487 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 1: Quote unquote invest this is cousin Vanessa, and. 488 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 6: That person got caught, so he lost all that money. 489 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 8: Yeah, then he started becoming a seller again. 490 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: Larry and Gabe's mom, Gloria, she knew too, so. 491 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 8: He started packing weed and selling it on the streets again, 492 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 8: and also being in construction. I would just ask him, hey, 493 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 8: how much are you making? You know, what are you 494 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 8: getting paid an hour? Because I started seeing these other 495 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 8: things that he's fine, you know, and I'm like, what 496 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 8: the heck? I don't believe you can buy all of 497 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 8: this stuff with just being a pipe leader. He goes, oh, Mom, 498 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 8: he's just working a lot of hours over time. He 499 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 8: would never tell me. I would hear it by you know, 500 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 8: somebody else that he was selling, but I could never 501 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 8: He would never admit to it. 502 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 3: Who would you hear it from. 503 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 8: Some of his buyers, because sometimes some of his buyers 504 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 8: were relatives. 505 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 7: I knew that he was dabbling a little bit, but 506 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 7: I didn't think it was like, you know, where it 507 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 7: used to be, you know, back in the day. 508 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: Here's a little sister Alicia. 509 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 7: Things were very tight, so they were not financially stable 510 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 7: towards the end, and he was overwhelmed. 511 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 3: He was stressed. 512 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: He was trying to maintain if Larry's sister knew, if 513 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: his cousin knew, if his mother knew. That begs the 514 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: question of like Gabe, the cop didn't find out until 515 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,719 Speaker 1: Larry told him over Thanksgiving whiskey. 516 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 3: I never saw it, you know, after a few drinks. 517 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 3: I'm just still trying to process all this information that 518 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 3: my brother gave me. And here I am thinking, like, shit, 519 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 3: how did I not know any of this? 520 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: So, I mean, it's like literally your job to know 521 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: these things. 522 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, every now and then. I kind of 523 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 3: had a sneaking suspicion because there was times where he'd 524 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 3: be laid off for a extended period of time, and 525 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 3: I'm like, how does he still have money? But we 526 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 3: didn't really talk about it, and I think it was 527 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 3: just a respect that he had for me where he 528 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 3: didn't want me to think that he was back in 529 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 3: the dope game and hustling, and I really wanted to 530 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 3: believe he was living a legitimate life. 531 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: After that Thanksgiving talk, the holidays came and went. Larry 532 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: was working at a plant in Corpus Christie. It was 533 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: good work, twelve hours a day, seven days a week. 534 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: He was big picture broke, but he scraped together enough 535 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: cash to run a house on the beach in Freeport. 536 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: For the last weekend in January, he invited the whole family. 537 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: There was a relatives Kingstonietta to celebrate, and Larry wanted 538 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: to spend some time with his kids and grandkids. He's 539 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: going to be leaving for a new job in Louisiana 540 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: soon after. Wasn't sure how long you'd be gone, but 541 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: he was worn out. His financial hole kept getting deeper 542 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: and whatever he was making back in the game wasn't 543 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: enough to keep up. 544 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 5: You know. 545 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 4: He was pulled in ninety nine different directions financially from mom, sister, 546 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 4: kid's wife, and it was exhausting to him, and he 547 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 4: was someone that didn't say no. 548 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: The beach house was booked for Friday, January twenty seventh 549 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: until Sunday the twenty ninth, Larry drove down from Corpus 550 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: Christie and texted his sister Lisha on the way. 551 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 7: I've always asked my brother, are you okay? 552 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 9: How are you doing? 553 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 7: You're doing good? You're doing good, bro. He's always saying yes. 554 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 7: But that day he told me no. I still have 555 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 7: the text messages in my phone where he says, no, 556 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 7: I'm not okay, but I will be when I see 557 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 7: you guys. 558 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: Did he say why? 559 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 3: He did not? 560 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 7: I been told people sometimes can tell something's going to 561 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 7: happen before it happens. Maybe that's it. 562 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 5: I don't know. 563 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: That's next time I'm the brothers Orties. 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