1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: For over the past seventy years, our country, the US, 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: has recognized a national day of prayer. It is according 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: to US Statute, the first Thursday of May, the National 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: Day of Prayer, came about all the way back in 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two when our country was in wartime. At 6 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: no other time in recent history has our country been 7 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: so divided all across our country. So today, the first 8 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: Thursday in May, let's pray for our country and our families. 9 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: Please join us. 10 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 3: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 11 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: Once you look into this girl's eyes, you'll never forget her. 12 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: Nefatari is her name, and the moment I saw her 13 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: face and found out that she's missing, I can't get 14 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: those eyes as penetrating. 15 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: Eyes out of my mind. 16 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: This twenty six year old beauty is the mother of 17 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: two two little ones and seven months pregnant. Joining me 18 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: today is her mother begging for your help and a 19 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: very odd and bizarre twist and turn. 20 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: Of a story. 21 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: Also with me a critical witness, a critical witness, and 22 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: the disappearance is Neftari because without this good Samaritan we 23 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: would know nothing about her last known whereabouts. I mean, 24 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: see Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 25 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: with us here at Foxination and Sirius XM one eleven. 26 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: Who is Nefatari? And I love that name. I've never 27 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: heard that name before. Nephatari? 28 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: Who is she? Where is she? Why is she missing? 29 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends joining us from kp AX. 30 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 4: Missoula police investigating the disappearance of a twenty six year 31 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 4: old woman, Nefertari Bartel, was last seen in the Missoula 32 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 4: area in the afternoon. MPD spokesperson Whitney Bennett tells MTN 33 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 4: they continue to investigate the circumstances around her disappearance. When 34 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 4: pressed for details about Bartel's last known location, Bennett said 35 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 4: detectives are still investigating and will release information to the 36 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 4: public when it's ready. If you've seen Bartel or have 37 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 4: any information about this case, you are asked to contact MPD. 38 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: Let's d scramble what we just heard you hear the 39 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: reporter Jill Valley KPAX, saying that detectives will not release 40 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: information about her last know whereabouts. That sounds mysterious, doesn't it. 41 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,399 Speaker 1: It's not mysterious because they don't know and they don't 42 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: want to say, aidy K, I don't know because their 43 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: job is to know to come up with something. 44 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: Not saying they're not working. 45 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 1: I'm saying it's not mysterious, like they know something they're 46 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: not telling us about this girl. 47 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: They truly don't know. 48 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: Guys, I want to give you a tip line right 49 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: now for Nefatori four zero six five five to two 50 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: sixty three hundred. For zero six five five to two 51 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: sixty three hundred. That's a twenty four hour available line 52 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: to get information about Nefatari. 53 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: Okay, the investigation is on. 54 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: Take a listen now to Montana RightNow dot com. 55 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 5: We're tacking a safe you lard at Missoula tonight. Or 56 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 5: police are looking for a missing twenty six year old 57 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 5: woman named Nefatterie Bartel. The Missoula Police Department reports that 58 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 5: Bartel was reported missing yesterday and was last seen in 59 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 5: the Missoula area on Monday afternoon. If anyone has seen 60 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 5: or has information regarding her whereabouts, you're asked to contact 61 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 5: the Missoula Police Department the number right their ter screen 62 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 5: four zero six five five two six three zero. 63 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: Zero bless him. He killed her name, but I can 64 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: tell you this, it's Nefatori. And we hear that Missoula 65 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: PD believes they have Anknown signing almost immediately after she 66 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: goes missing, but then those hopes are dashed. 67 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 2: Listen to our friend Gil Valley. 68 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 4: In a news release today, Missoula Police say the previous 69 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 4: report of Bartel last being seen was unsubstantiated. Bartel's mother 70 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 4: tells Empty and News her daughter is seven months pregnant 71 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 4: and has two sons. Anybody with any information is asked 72 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 4: to contact Detective Jeff Lloyd the number four oh six 73 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 4: five five two six two eight five. 74 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: If you're not familiar with Missilla. It's in Montana and 75 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: it's cold. 76 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 2: It's really cold. It's snowing. 77 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: This is a seven month pregnant lady lost just twenty 78 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: six years old. There is still time to bring her 79 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: home alive. Right now, I'm going to go straight out 80 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: to Nefatari's mother, Charlene Bartel. Thank you, miss Bartell for 81 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: being with us. 82 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 6: You're welcome, and thank you. 83 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: Miss Bartel. There's just something about her. 84 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: In every picture I see of Nefatari, She's looking right 85 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: at the camera and it's like her eyes are connecting 86 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: with me every time I look at her. Now I 87 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: know she's got the two little boys, Iden Caspian, but 88 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: she was expecting what she. 89 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: Believed to be a baby girl, the first girl. Correct. 90 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, miss Martel, When you learned there had been 91 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: a siding of your daughter and then to discover that 92 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: siding was false, what happened in your mind when you 93 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: learned that siding was incorrect? 94 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 6: Well, and it just wasn't that. I mean, there was 95 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 6: different sidings, different areas that I was informed by Detective 96 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 6: Jeff Lloyd, and it was just it was more confusing 97 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 6: than anything. It's just like I couldn't get a straight answer. 98 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 6: So I'm doing my own little private investigation on the 99 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 6: bus schedules and so forth and so forth, and you know, 100 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 6: it went from one person to picking up Nef to 101 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 6: then Miranda picking up Nath and I could never get 102 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 6: a straight answer. So it did more damage than anything. 103 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 6: So it's really frustrating. 104 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: Well, I've got to agree with you on that. 105 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: Let me go out to another special guest joining us, 106 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: Mike Hatsel, President founder Peace River k nine Search and Rescue. 107 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: You can find that at p R s a R 108 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: Peace River Knine Search and Rescue pr SAR dot org. Mike, 109 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: I have noticed this time and time again. I've been 110 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: trying to solve on solved time of size and find 111 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: missing people for a long time since I became a 112 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: crime victim myself. And when the public heres, oh there's 113 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: a signing, they're like, okay, well then I don't need 114 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: to pay attention to that anymore. 115 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: It's solved. It's over. They founder. 116 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: So when you put it out there that there's a wrong, 117 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: that there's a siding and there's not the mom, Charlie 118 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: Bartel is correct, that's really a torpedo to the case. 119 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 7: Absolutely, you're going to lose volunteers, you're going to lose interest, 120 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 7: a lot of things will shut down at that point 121 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 7: there is an active search going because they figure that 122 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 7: she's been found, if she spotted, she's alive and she's 123 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 7: either left on her own accord, gone somewhere, or law 124 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 7: enforcement has there and they're not saying anything yet. So 125 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 7: that's usually what happens. 126 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: You know. 127 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: There was just very recently the Atlanta shooting, a mass shooting, 128 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: and we had to go immediately that evening to Wednesday 129 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: night at our church. It was Taco Night and there 130 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: was no way the twins we're gonna miss Taco Night 131 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: at family night supper The first thing when I walked 132 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: in was have they found the guy? Have they found 133 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 1: the guy? Have they found the guy? And I was like, no, no, no, 134 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: but they're going to find him. The moment it hit 135 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: the waves that he was found, everyone in that fellowship 136 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: haul was like. 137 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: Oh, they found him. 138 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: See what I mean the chain reaction when you're now 139 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: atari's been spotted, people's discount. 140 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: They don't need to pay attention to it anymore. Phil Waters, 141 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: who's joining me. 142 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: Former homicide detective, Houston PD President CEO Kindred Spirits, Investigation 143 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: and Security. Phil, thank you for being with us. Agree disagree? 144 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: How much that hurt the investigation? 145 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 8: Well, I'll tell you what. Being on the other side 146 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 8: of our discussion here, having been a detective, and of 147 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 8: course in homicide, we would get the missing person cases 148 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 8: that looked like there was a suspicious disappearance involved in it, 149 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 8: possibly leading to a homicide. And I can just tell 150 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 8: you that these are difficult cases to work. I think 151 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 8: we can all agree on that, and when we have fightings. 152 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,239 Speaker 8: This is what happens when something like this is generated. 153 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 8: You have people all over the country. I know in 154 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 8: the cases that I've been invested that I have investigated. 155 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 8: Do you get phone calls from from ten buck two? 156 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 8: I mean, it is amazing, how because everybody wants to 157 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 8: be the person who says I saw the person that's missing. 158 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: And also there's an altruistic component to that. You want 159 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: to help you think you saw the person. 160 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 8: Right. They're not doing it to be to be mean 161 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 8: spirited or to divert anything. They're doing it because they 162 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 8: think they're they're providing some very good information. So it's 163 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 8: it's all done with well intentions. The problem is, like 164 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 8: Mike said it, it convolutes the entire investigation and people 165 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 8: will go, yeah, you know, okay, well she's been cited, 166 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 8: then she must be okay, and then they move on 167 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 8: to the next one. So yeah, it's these are these 168 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 8: are difficult cases to work. They become convoluted very very quickly, 169 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 8: and you know, my heart goes out to the detectives 170 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 8: that are working it. 171 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: Well, I've got to say I agree with you, Phil 172 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: Waters and that it's not intentional. The investigators are trying 173 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: to push the case forward, trying to find Neffatari, and 174 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: there's a sighting that put it out there turns out 175 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: to be wrong, and it's a real torpedo to the 176 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: case completely unintentionally. 177 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 2: You know, when you don't know what. 178 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: Has happened, you got to look back and determine who 179 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: is your victim? 180 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: Where can I find the victim? 181 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 9: Right? 182 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 2: If I couldn't find my son, I know exactly where 183 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: I would go. 184 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: The closest basketball court, the closest basketball. 185 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: Hoop, whether it's on a court or not, I. 186 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: Know where I would go if I couldn't find my daughter, 187 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: out for a life long walk somewhere working out, I 188 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: know where to look for them. 189 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 3: Pause for a big thank you to our partner making 190 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 3: today's program possible. 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Thanks Fox Nation 208 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 3: for being our partner Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 209 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: What do we know about Nephertori. She's seven months pregnant. 210 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: She's only going to be able to do so much. 211 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crime Online. 212 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 10: Nefertari Bartell grew up in Missoula, Montana, in an area 213 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 10: where there's always a lot to do, especially outdo our activities. 214 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 10: Mom Charlene tells that her daughter enjoyed being outdoors, from 215 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 10: river rafting, hiking in the mountains to fishing. Charlene Bartel 216 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 10: says she taught her daughter Nephie, as she's known to 217 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 10: her friends to drive a car in the mountains. Charlene 218 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 10: Bartel says, once nephew Bartell had her own children, that 219 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 10: was her priority. Nefatari Bartel has two so and a 220 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 10: baby on the way. Bartel and her youngest son live 221 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 10: in an apartment in Missoula. The older boy lives with 222 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 10: his father. Mom, Charlene Bartel, lives about an hour away 223 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 10: in cond of Montana. The two spoke regularly. In fact, 224 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 10: Nefatari was planning to move in with her mother. Charlene 225 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 10: Bartel says her daughter was excited about the change. 226 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: So I can tell you from studying methods and assessment 227 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: of homicides, suicide and disappearance, when a victim is looking 228 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: forward to something, they're not going to just draw off 229 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: the map. They're not going to commit suicide. They have 230 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: a plan. And this is a mom who loves her children, 231 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: who loves the outdoors, getting ready for a move back 232 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: home to mom's place. So what more do we know 233 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: other than she is a very caring mom and loves 234 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: the great outdoors. 235 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: Listen. 236 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 10: In the late morning hours of February twenty first, Nefertari 237 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 10: Bartel was walking her dog Novah. As the snow started 238 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 10: to fall, a woman offered the twenty six year old ride. 239 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 10: Bartel had an address of a cabin. The driver took 240 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 10: Bartel to the area of Primrose Meadows up Goldcreek Road. 241 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 10: Around three pm. The good Samaritan dropped Nefertari Bartel off 242 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 10: at a mile marker just off Goldcreek Road, but the 243 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 10: driver was concerned about a very pregnant Nefatari hiking her 244 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 10: way up to the cabin. As soon as the driver 245 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 10: got to the highway and had cell signal again, she 246 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 10: called the Sheriff's department. She told police that she had 247 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 10: a bad feeling and asked them to do a wellness 248 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 10: check on Bartel. 249 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: Joining me right now? 250 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:35,359 Speaker 1: Is that very very critical witness, the so called good samaritan. 251 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: You know how often you pass people on the road 252 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh gosh, I feel so bad for them. 253 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: This woman didn't just say, oh my stars, there's a 254 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: really pregnant lady. I'm going to give her a ride. 255 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: She stopped and she helped. She said, hey, hopping the 256 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: car is cold out there? 257 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 8: With me? 258 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: Is Miranda the good Samaritan? Miranda, thank you for being 259 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: with us. What happened, tell me everything. 260 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 11: And that story is hard here because it wasn't just 261 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 11: it wasn't just a little drizzle or a little bit 262 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 11: of snow. We were experiencing kind of a sudden blizzard 263 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 11: condition in that Missoula area that day and it had 264 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 11: just began. So when I came out of Missoula and 265 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 11: had spotted her, she was running against basically a blizzard, 266 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 11: almost frantically, and I thought, oh my god, I can't, 267 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 11: I can't, I can't, And so I pulled over immediately 268 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 11: and said, get get in here and we'll figure out 269 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 11: what she got going on. So I waited until she 270 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 11: kind of thought out and was able to speak, and 271 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 11: asked her where she wanted to go, and that's when 272 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 11: she told me that she wanted to go to this 273 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 11: Goldkirk cabin. And yeah, that's where the that's where it began. 274 00:16:54,840 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: So so Gold Creek Cabin. Now, yeah, what was her demeanor? 275 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: Was she happy? 276 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 2: Sad? 277 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 11: When I first picked her up, it was it was 278 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 11: really kind of hard to gauge because there was the 279 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 11: weather was really extreme and she had been running against it, 280 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 11: and I don't know, it's like she she got caught 281 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 11: in a storm and was trying to run her way 282 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 11: through it, but was kind of running into it, and 283 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 11: so she she really was just happy to be not 284 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 11: along the road, kind of relieved, but she was. I 285 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 11: don't know, she was clear, she was in her right mind. 286 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 2: Did she have a dog with her? 287 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 11: She did, yeah, And I'm super dog friendly, so I 288 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 11: didn't I didn't care at all about having a dog 289 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 11: in my vehicle. I know that some people on the 290 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 11: Facebook Police Department have have been like, oh my god, 291 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 11: she picked up her dog too. Yes, yes, I did, 292 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 11: you know what. 293 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: God bless you, lady, God bless you and your family. 294 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 2: On top of that, hold on, let me let me 295 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 2: think this through. 296 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: And remember, everybody on the panel, this is not high 297 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: to you at Windsor Castle with the new King jump 298 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: in Miranda, the good Samaritan that picked up Nevatari, which 299 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: I believe to be the last true non sighting, the 300 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: last confirmed nome sighting, which is critical to the case 301 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: to develop a timeline. So I'm glad you said she 302 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: seemed clear headed because I know this and you're confirming 303 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: this about Nefatari. She's not a big boozer, she doesn't 304 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: do drugs, she's a loving mom, loves the outdoors, very 305 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: close to her mother. She's not some drugged out prostitute 306 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: on the side of the road. You can't tell what 307 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: they're saying. You don't know where they're going. Are they 308 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: talking out of their head? No? No, she was in 309 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: her right mind. She was not under the influence of 310 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: drug or alcohol and has no history of that. She 311 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: got in the car, got warmed up and said she 312 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: wanted to go to a cabin up on Old Creek Road. 313 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 2: Is that correct? 314 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 6: It is? 315 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 11: And that's where my wheels got spinning pretty hard, because 316 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 11: I've I am an avid hiker, and I have been 317 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 11: up in that area several times. So I basically from 318 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 11: the time I picked her up, it was I don't know, 319 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 11: about six miles to where the turn off was, and 320 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 11: we talked about it, you know, we talked pretty indepth 321 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 11: about what the plans were. 322 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: And what did she say. 323 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 11: Well, she told me that she was going to go 324 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 11: up there to meet a boyfriend. 325 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 2: So she was going to meet a boyfriend. 326 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 11: Yeah, and she never said a name. She just said 327 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 11: a boyfriend and kept it real vague, Okay, And I 328 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 11: questioned her for while. It turned out to be ten 329 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 11: miles because once we turned up the road, I honestly 330 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 11: thought it was going to end up being snowed in 331 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 11: and I wasn't going to be able to get that far. 332 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 11: And it was kind of like, I'm going to show 333 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 11: you that this isn't a really good idea. And then 334 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 11: they were doing a logging unit up at the end 335 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 11: of that road, and so it was plowed all the 336 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 11: way up. 337 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 2: Were there people up there? Were there guys up there working, not. 338 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 11: Current, not at the time. There was one guy running 339 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 11: a snowplow because it was actively snowing. 340 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: You said that there was active logging where any surveillance 341 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: camera's up there on the site, not. 342 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 11: That I know of. It's I know that it's a 343 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 11: BLM project, and I doubt I doubt. 344 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 2: It BLM project. 345 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 11: What do you mean, Bureau of Land Management? So they 346 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 11: had just purchased this land from a timber company years 347 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 11: a few years back. 348 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: But there was one guy out there working, you know, 349 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: So there was the snowplow operator, and I didn't see 350 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: anybody at the logging unit because it was up fast 351 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: where I had dropped her off. 352 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 2: So you dropped her off, You're you have a four 353 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 2: wheel drive? 354 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 11: Yeah, And I didn't need it. I mean it would 355 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 11: hon to sleep out all the way up. 356 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: Okay, so you need if you got further up, your 357 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: wheels would start spinning. So you dropped her off. How 358 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: far would she have had to walk to get to 359 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: the cabin from where I. 360 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 11: Dropped her off? Only about a mile mile and a half. 361 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 11: And a lot of people ask me why I didn't 362 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 11: drop her off at the turn down below, and I thought, 363 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 11: because my night brain heard her say that she wanted 364 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 11: to get someplace that would have been eight and a 365 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 11: half miles in a blizzard, And I thought, you know, 366 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 11: a mile and a half is a lot more doables. 367 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: Why can't they just be happy you gave the woman 368 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: a ride, instead of telling you what you did wrong. 369 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: For Pete's sake, Okay, let's take what we know right now. 370 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: So our good Samaritan Miranda drops Nefatari off. She only 371 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: got a mile left to go to go to this 372 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: cabin on Gold Creek Road. But then we find out 373 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: it no longer exists. Take a listen to our friend 374 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: Dave Mack. 375 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 10: Detective Jeff Lloyd is able to verify that Nefatari Bartel 376 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 10: was walking her dog eastbound on Highway two hundred east 377 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 10: in East Missoula while it was knowing. The detective verifies 378 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 10: that a good samaritan offered Bartel a ride and that 379 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 10: Nefertari and her dog Nova accepted the ride. Bartel told 380 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 10: the driver she was headed to a cabin she found 381 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 10: on an online map in the area of Primrose Meadows 382 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 10: up Gold Creek Road. Bartel is dropped off and begins 383 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 10: hiking towards the cabin. Detective Lloyd notes that the cabin 384 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 10: Bartel found on the online map no longer exists. It 385 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 10: had been torn down prior to Nefatoria Bartel ever making 386 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:18,719 Speaker 10: it her destination. 387 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: Okay, that's what I mean about it getting more and 388 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: more bizarre. Joined me right now, Crimeloline dot com investigative 389 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: reporter Nicole part Nicole, thank you for being with us. 390 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: So I understand the cabin to which she was headed. 391 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 2: With her dog. 392 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: It shows up on Google Map or ways or whatever 393 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: she was using, but it doesn't exist anymore. 394 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 12: That's right. So it's believed that she had googled this, 395 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 12: that she had done some research online to find this cabin, 396 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 12: but in fact, the cabin hasn't been there for a 397 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 12: year or so. So She's basically walking into the middle 398 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 12: of nothing, out in this horrible weather, thinking that she's 399 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 12: eventually going to reach a cabin. But that cabin is 400 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 12: not there. 401 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: So what do we know about why she headed to 402 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: this cabin she thinks is there. We know she was 403 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: on foot, We know she took her dog with her. 404 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: We know that she got a ride last scene heading 405 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: up the hill to get to the cabin. We know 406 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: that when she gets there, there is no cabin. Take 407 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: a listen now to our cutbee brother, Katie Langston. 408 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 13: She had received a call from a private number at 409 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 13: ten seventeen am that day. She left her wallet, keys, phone, 410 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 13: and broken Apple watch on the floor. She had grabbed 411 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 13: her dog and left, leaving her front door unlocked. 412 00:23:55,000 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: Okay, so she takes her dog and leaves. She leaves 413 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: her wallet, keys, and phone behind. To Charlene Bartel, this 414 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: is Nefatori's mom who leaves their phone behind. 415 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, the whole the whole thing just really gets me. 416 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 6: It's not like my daughter to do any of that, 417 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 6: especially when she was planning on moving up here. And 418 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 6: that phone call is like, key, it was a private 419 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 6: it was from a private number. So Detective Lloyd said, 420 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 6: that they weren't able to trace it because of that. 421 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 6: But I believe that phone call is also key to this, 422 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 6: because she was so paranoid about a couple people that 423 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 6: even when I went to go visit her, she would 424 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 6: lock the door while we were inside. So when all this, 425 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 6: it just doesn't make sense. 426 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: Could you say that again, miss Bartel, about her door 427 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: being unlocked? 428 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, she doesn't leave her door unlocked. She was so 429 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 6: paranoid about a couple people that even when I went 430 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 6: to go visitor, even being inside, she will lock her door. 431 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 6: So for her door to be unlocked is just it's 432 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 6: that's a no, no, that's not her at all. It's 433 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 6: just so a way out of her characters. 434 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: So I'm hearing a lot of things out of the 435 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: ordinary joining me right now. Renowned psychologists joining us out 436 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: of Manhattan. Karen is Stark. You can find her at 437 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: Karenstark dot com. That's Karen with the Sea right there 438 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: at Karen Stark. Out of character. If somebody told you, oh, yeah, 439 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: Nancy wanted some me time and went away for the weekend, 440 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: is some fancy resort where you sit in those mud 441 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: baths and they put the hot rocks on your back 442 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: and the cupping. Like Gwyneth Paltrow, you would know, oh yeah, 443 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: that didn't happen. 444 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 2: She's dead, right. 445 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: So when I hear things out of character like her 446 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: mom is telling us, you think i'd leave home and 447 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,479 Speaker 1: not lock the door? O h E double l n oh, 448 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: because my children are gonna be coming back in that door, 449 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: and I wanted to save as possible, She says, her 450 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: daughter Invati would never have done that. 451 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 2: I don't like it. 452 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 14: It's also think about it, Nancy. How many people leave 453 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 14: home without their perse? How many women don't take their 454 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 14: handbags and they don't take their boom. 455 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: Well, wait a minute, I never carry a handbag or 456 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: a pocketbook. Whatever I need to carry, I can stick 457 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 1: in my bra all right. 458 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 2: That's just a leftover habit. 459 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: From tramping through high crime areas as a prosecutor. 460 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 2: I want my hands free. 461 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 12: That's the possibility. 462 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 7: What's the possibility that that stage. I'm concerned about the 463 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 7: broken apple watch. 464 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 2: Who's talking? Is this feel or Mike? 465 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 7: This is Mike talking. 466 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead, Mike. 467 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 7: I'm concerned about the broken watch, and i'd really like 468 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 7: to know our goods American if she noticed whether an 469 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 7: Effortia was wearing that watch when she picked her up. 470 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: Hey, Miranda, did you notice if she was carrying anything 471 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: at all? 472 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 2: Just the dog? 473 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 11: So she did not have a purse. I couldn't tell 474 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 11: if she had a watch on, just because she had 475 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 11: you know, a jacket, you know, clothes, winter clothes. But 476 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 11: she did have a phone, and we tried to look 477 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 11: up that cabin on her phone and there wasn't a reception. 478 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 2: She did have a phone. She had a cell phone. 479 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 2: Is okay? 480 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: Whoa I'm glad you said that. Mike hat Sel, what 481 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: about it? Charlene Bartell, this is Nefertori's mom. Are you 482 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,479 Speaker 1: sure a phone was found at her place? 483 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 11: Yeah? 484 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 6: Matter of fact, there was a woman and a guy 485 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 6: that went into my daughter's apartment after Neph went missing 486 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 6: and stole my daughter's phone and her keys. 487 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 2: And so did you ever get it back? 488 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 6: The detective Lloyd has it, so you did. 489 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 2: Get it back. Did she have two phones? 490 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 6: Not that I was aware of. So when Miranda told 491 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 6: me that, then I immediately went I hadn't called Detective 492 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 6: Lloyd and informed him of that. 493 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: Look, having two phones is not that unusual. For years, 494 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: I kept a work phone and a private phone, you know, 495 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: just my habit. Years, like twelve years, I had a 496 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: phone from my work, and I happened to have an 497 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: old BlackBerry that I still used, so I happen to 498 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: have both. But I find that very very unusual, and 499 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: I agree with hats all about the broken apple. Watch 500 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: Karen start, what were you saying? 501 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 14: I was saying that it's so the whole thing is 502 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 14: very suspicious because you know, if you go out and 503 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 14: you're afraid that your dog is going to be not 504 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 14: be okay. She took her dog, which I think is 505 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 14: really significant because it's as though she really did expect 506 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 14: that everything would be okay and she'd be able to 507 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 14: come back. But on the other hand, leaving there with 508 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 14: a pizza pie, a whole pie, except for one's life, 509 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 14: that's that doesn't make a lot of sense. Leaving behind 510 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 14: things that were important to her. There's a lot of confusion. 511 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 6: In this story. 512 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 14: Then I see that everyone's trying to piece together. But 513 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 14: this is unusual behavior. 514 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and whenever it's out of the norm, I think 515 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: that gives me the suspicion something is nefarious. Charlene Bartail 516 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: joining me, this is the victim's mom, Charlaine, Just one 517 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: short answer here, Where did we get the information that 518 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: her cell p on her Apple Watch was there and 519 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: her door was unlocked? 520 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 2: Who gives us that? 521 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 6: You know, the girl that watched into my daughter's apartment 522 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 6: went ahead and called another person before she called nine 523 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 6: one one and reported this, and then she called nine 524 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 6: one one. 525 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,719 Speaker 1: Okay, so that's where we're getting it from a friend, 526 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: a friend of Nevatari's. 527 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, okay, guys, remember a little. 528 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: While ago we learned that good Samaritan Miranda got a 529 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: bad fea about dropping her off. That's where she wanted 530 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: to get dropped off. So Miranda did, but she had 531 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: such an overwhelming bad feeling sense of dread that she 532 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: called in a security check to police, a welfare check. 533 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 2: But guess what that never happened. 534 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut eleven a our friends 535 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: at crimeonline dot com. 536 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 10: The search for Bartel has been difficult, according to Bartel's family, 537 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 10: A request for a welfare check after the pregnant woman 538 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 10: was dropped off was refused, reportedly due to an incoming snowstorm. Later, 539 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 10: the Missoula Police sent Missoula County Search and Rescue team 540 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 10: made up of trained volunteers to Gold Creek Road. Weather 541 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 10: conditions hampered the search. 542 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: David Leroy is joining me, high profile lawyer out of Idaho, 543 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: former lieutenant governor, former prosecutor, now private attorney. David Leroy, 544 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I've actually never heard 545 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: a welfare check being requested and then the costco is. 546 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 9: Well, particularly if the welfare search was partly called in 547 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 9: because of the disastrous weather in the remote conditions. But Nancy, 548 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 9: I'm interested in the possibility that maybe all of this 549 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 9: search in the Gold Creek area has been unnecessary and 550 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,479 Speaker 9: therefore not producing anything. If we had just one phone, 551 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 9: and if our good Samaritan saw Nepoti using that phone, 552 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 9: and then Nef's phone got back home, it may be 553 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 9: that this boyfriend, coming in the opposite direction, actually intercepted 554 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 9: her and brought her back home, and then whatever untoward 555 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 9: happened happened at home, leaving the phone behind. I'm wondering 556 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 9: if Nef is not in somewhere else in Big Sky 557 00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 9: Country or in Idaho, in Wyoming, in the surrounding state, 558 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 9: where your publicity will help us find her. 559 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: I can tell you this, no way would Nefatari leave 560 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: her children. This would require her to willingly go into 561 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: your scenario and give birth somewhere else and not tell 562 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: her mother. But wait, wait, I see you're reasoning, David Leroy, 563 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:25,719 Speaker 1: and it's kind of brilliant. Was that actually her phone 564 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: back at her apartment? Exactly back at her place? Did 565 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: the boyfriend bring her back? So here's the only shred 566 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: or scintilla of evidence I have to say you're wrong 567 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: and it's not conclusive. Take a listen to our cut eleven. 568 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 10: Charlene Bartell said that Nefatari's dog Nova was found in 569 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 10: the mountains on Gold Creek Road on March first alone. 570 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 10: Nefatari was not with Nova. Bartel points out that Nova 571 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 10: survived eight days in the snow with no frost bite, nothing. 572 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 10: Charlene Bartel tells, it's like someone housed her, someone took 573 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 10: care of her. 574 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace to Charlene Bartel, this is 575 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: Nevatari's mother. So Nova was found wandering through that mountainous 576 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: area at Gold Creek Road alone. 577 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 6: Yes, and sub zero temperatures. I went ahead and I 578 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 6: checked the weather for that week because there was just 579 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 6: something about Nova that was itching at me. So I did, 580 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 6: and it was all sub zero's neither Knaf or Nova 581 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 6: would have survived the first night. But yet Nova was 582 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 6: found at the logging crew site eight days later and 583 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 6: still sub zero temperatures of no frostbite, known nothing, So 584 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,959 Speaker 6: there was just no way. And the only people that 585 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 6: were up there are the loggers and that crew. There's 586 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 6: nothing else around. So it was just so conveniently, you know, 587 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 6: she was found at that site that morning on March first. 588 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: Okay, a couple of thoughts to you, Phil Waters, former 589 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: homicide detective, Houston p D President CEO Kindred Spirits investigations 590 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: and security. But everybody jump in three lines of inquiry 591 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: from me right now. Number one phones, if we follow 592 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: through David LeRoy's line of thinking, there's only one phone. 593 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,240 Speaker 2: If not, there are two phones. Now. 594 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: I know a lot of law enforcement doesn't like to 595 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: do this because it is very, very time intensive, but 596 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: I've seen it done with success, and David Leroy knows 597 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: all about this case, the Brian Coburger case. 598 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 2: A data dump. A dump is made of all the. 599 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: Phones used in a certain area twenty certain period of time. 600 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: So I get right here in the studio, Jackie goes missing. 601 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, hmmm, let's do a data dump of where 602 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: I think Jackie went. 603 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 2: Let's just say she went for a pizza for lunch. 604 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: I do a data dump. I pull up three hundred 605 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: phone numbers. I isolate hers, and then I found out 606 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 1: who's incoming and outgoing, and I can actually ping the phone. 607 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: Where did it go after that? Okay, so there is 608 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: the phone data. There is the boyfriend data. That seemed 609 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: to be an incoming phone call to her phone left. 610 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 2: At the apartment. 611 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,399 Speaker 1: And for somebody to say, oh, it's a private number, 612 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: it can't be traced, that's entirely wrong. You think the 613 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,320 Speaker 1: FBI can't trace a private number, Are you kidding me? Yeah, 614 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: they can. You can't see it, but they can figure 615 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: it out to. 616 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 7: Be on the Apple Watch, which is conveniently broken. 617 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: Who's that talking? Is that microphone? Absolutely correct, Mike, you're right. 618 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: But even if the watch is physically broken, smashed, and 619 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: I'd like to find out why, sounds like a confrontation 620 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: at the apartment. But that said, the data is still 621 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: in the cloud with an Apple Watch, so I don't 622 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: need the actual physical watch to get the data. So 623 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 1: phone data on the two phones boyfriend infoe who called 624 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: into that phone at the apartment. Do we have any emails, texts? 625 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: I mean, they had to be in contact. And last 626 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: the loggers, I'm not discounting them at all. 627 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 2: That's where Nova's found with the logging crew. 628 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: Hey, big flashing red light of alarm, look at them too, 629 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: That's where I would go with this. What about Charlene Marteal? 630 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: What are the cops telling you? 631 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 6: They're not telling me anything. I could probably count on 632 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 6: two hands how many times I've talked to Detective Lloyd 633 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 6: during this whole thing, since I found out my daughter's 634 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 6: been missing, And most of the times was when he 635 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 6: was trying to locate the phone that this girl stole 636 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 6: from my daughter's apartment when she was walking through. And 637 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 6: then just recently the last week he called me a 638 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 6: couple of days let me know that he did receive 639 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 6: he finally the warrant for Facebook finally went through, and 640 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 6: that her last response on Facebook I believe was last September. 641 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,399 Speaker 6: So's there hasn't been any more communication with that other 642 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 6: than that, I haven't talked to him. He hasn't called me. 643 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 6: I have left messages. 644 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, if you get the cell phone, you 645 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: don't have to have the cell phone. You can go 646 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: in the cloud. You can do that data dump when 647 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: she was with Miranda, get that cell phone number, and 648 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 1: you can get the cell phone number of the at 649 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: her apartment and find out everybody she'd been texting and calling. 650 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: I mean, help me out, feel waters, that's possible. It's 651 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, we can do that. 652 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 8: It looks like she left her place on her own 653 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:20,760 Speaker 8: power with her dog to go meet according to Miranda, 654 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 8: some boyfriend up in this Gold Creek area. Now, so 655 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 8: to think that she got there and then somebody did 656 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 8: something to her then brought her back or brought her 657 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,240 Speaker 8: stuff back to that apartment, I mean, it's it's quite 658 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 8: a that. That's a lot of moving parts, and I 659 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 8: just most of the times and something like this occurs, 660 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 8: it's usually a simple explanation. 661 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: If and remember her dog didn't come back to the apartment. 662 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 2: Phil. 663 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 8: But here's the point about the dog. So we've now 664 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,839 Speaker 8: we're talking about this component of these loggers being up 665 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 8: there and not knowing anything other than what I know 666 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 8: and what I've heard in this discussion. Well, the explanation 667 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,720 Speaker 8: for the dog being in relatively good health, the loggers 668 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 8: were taking care of it, or it was provided the 669 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 8: place of shelter up there where those guys were. And 670 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 8: I agree with you, Nancy though that in the course 671 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 8: of the investigation all of those guys need to be 672 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 8: interviewed certainly. So there's a whole lot of components to 673 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 8: this thing that I'm I'm I'm hopeful that the detective 674 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 8: has done all of these things. Now, getting all the 675 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 8: information off these phones. There would be GPS on the phone, 676 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 8: so we would be able to take those phones, that 677 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 8: phone and determine where it was if it if it 678 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,919 Speaker 8: did go to some other location and came back, and 679 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 8: then the question would be who, who Who did that? 680 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 8: But there's a lot of information. We always did this. 681 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 8: I mean, we've got if we get a phone, we 682 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 8: dumped the phone, we do a cell bride check on it, 683 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 8: and we get into the historical information on it and 684 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 8: that all that takes subpoenas and court orders and so forth. 685 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 8: So there's a lot of things that these these types 686 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 8: of faces don't get solved in forty three minutes with 687 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 8: no commercials. 688 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,320 Speaker 1: Well it's hardly been forty three minutes no commercials, because 689 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: she's been she was last sight of February twenty one. 690 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 8: Well that's true, but you've got the weather as a factor. 691 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 8: I mean, you've got a lot of things going on 692 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 8: here that are are delaying furthering the investigation. And my 693 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 8: question is is she obviously left? I mean, she gets 694 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 8: picked up by Miranda, so she's by herself with her dog. 695 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 8: She seems to be fine. There's a discussion about what 696 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 8: she's doing. There doesn't seem to be any anxiety involved there, 697 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 8: at least what I'm hearing Miranda saying. So she gets there, 698 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 8: and my question is what time of the day did 699 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 8: this happen? Is this in the morning hours? And what 700 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 8: is the distance from her house to this Gold Creek area? 701 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 1: Good question, Miranda, what time of the day or not 702 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 1: was it that you picked her up? 703 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 11: It was probably about one thirty in the afternoon. 704 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: And Charlene Bartel, how far away is the cabin that 705 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,280 Speaker 1: she thought she was going to from her place? 706 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 6: I would guess what fifteen miles Miranda from Russell on 707 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 6: first Goldcrook. 708 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 11: A little bit longer than that. It's probably sixty miles 709 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 11: from Bonner and then whatever Bonner from to her house. 710 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,359 Speaker 11: And that day she told me that she took an 711 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 11: uber from her house to Bonner, but couldn't afford to 712 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 11: get it to the to the Gold Creek exit, which 713 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 11: is But now now it's one. 714 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 8: Thirty or so in the afternoon and she's walking this 715 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,319 Speaker 8: location with her dog. 716 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, and she was there was a timeframe. She 717 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 11: told me that she was meeting this boyfriend at this 718 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 11: cabin at eight o'clock that evening. 719 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:02,800 Speaker 8: And now about one did you ask her about walking? 720 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:03,439 Speaker 6: Yeah? 721 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,839 Speaker 11: Oh, absolutely, we spent we went in ten miles with me. 722 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 2: A question and what did she say? 723 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 11: So she was going to meet this guy and they 724 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 11: were both hitchhiking and neither one of them. Well, there's 725 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 11: no reception down two hundred. 726 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 1: So did she explain, Miranda, why she was on foot? 727 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,240 Speaker 1: You said she took an uber to a certain point 728 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: and then got out of the uber with her dog 729 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:29,480 Speaker 1: and started walking. 730 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,880 Speaker 2: Is that correct, Miranda, that's from what I understand. 731 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And that she was to meet the boyfriend 732 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 1: that night at eight pm and by this point it 733 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: was getting on. 734 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 2: To two o'clock. Is that correct? 735 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 11: Yes? 736 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: And did she tell you the location where she was 737 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 1: to meet him? And it was a cabin, but now 738 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 1: we know that location what she got there did not exist? 739 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 2: Is that correct? 740 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 11: Also correct. 741 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,879 Speaker 8: Let me ask a quick question here, Miranda, So when 742 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:01,359 Speaker 8: you picked her up and at did she say how 743 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,280 Speaker 8: far she'd actually been walking? 744 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 11: She honestly said that she had just began walking where 745 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,800 Speaker 11: I picked her up with less than a mile from Bonner. 746 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 8: Okay. So from the point you picked her up to 747 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 8: this Gold Creek area, you're saying it's less than a mile. 748 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 11: No, No, from Bonner to where I picked her up 749 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,760 Speaker 11: was left on the ridle. 750 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 1: From where you dropped her off, Miranda, how far to 751 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: the cabin it was? 752 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 11: According to our maps, it would have been roughly a 753 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 11: mile and a half. 754 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 2: Okay, so up a trail to that. 755 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: And remember Nafatari loves the outdoors, so for her, since 756 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 1: she has not been on foot very long at all, 757 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,080 Speaker 1: a mile or so would be no problem, except for 758 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 1: she's seven months pregnant. I want you to have the 759 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: twenty four hour tip line four zero six five five 760 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: two sixty three hundred aspartel Where your daughter had ever 761 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,240 Speaker 1: left her children? 762 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 14: Oh? 763 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 6: No, absolutely not. 764 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:07,399 Speaker 10: No. 765 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 6: Her kids were everything to her, you know, And I 766 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 6: just can't even imagine. You know what her oldest son 767 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 6: is going through right now, you know, And yeah, it's 768 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 6: this it's devastating. 769 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 2: There's no way, no We wait as the facts unfold. 770 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 2: Get my friend.