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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Anna Walsh, the working mom of beautiful little boys, suddenly

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Speaker 2: just disappears. Her husband says she's on the way to

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Speaker 2: the airport, but she didn't have a flight. She never

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Speaker 2: made it to the airport, and she never ordered a car.

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Speaker 2: So where's Anna. Well, according to prosecutors, she's dead and

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Speaker 2: dismembered because of husband Brian Walsh, a convicted art thief,

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Speaker 2: a con man, and now.

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Speaker 1: Brian Walsh, according to.

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Speaker 2: The state, has gotten a taste of his own medicine.

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Speaker 2: He was stabbed behind bars, but he lived. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us. That's right, just before his murder trial

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Speaker 2: and his wife's disc appearance, Brian Walsh is stabbed behind

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Speaker 2: bars in Massachusetts.

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Speaker 1: He was assaulted a.

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Speaker 2: Few Thursday nights ago at the Norfolk County Jail in Denham.

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Speaker 2: He was taken to a Boston hospital to be treated

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Speaker 2: and was released. Okay, so you're not getting out of trial.

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Speaker 2: Can we talk about why? This is what the state

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Speaker 2: says Brian Walch did to his wife, Anna, the mother

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Speaker 2: of their little boys.

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Speaker 3: New Tonight police are asking the public to help them

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Speaker 3: find a Cohaset, Massachusetts mother of three who vanished without

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Speaker 3: a trace on New Year's Day. Thirty nine year old

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Speaker 3: Anna Walsh left her home early Sunday morning. She was

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Speaker 3: supposed to take a flight from Logan to DC, where

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Speaker 3: she works during the week, but there's no record of

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Speaker 3: her ever boarding a flight. Police say there's been reports

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Speaker 3: that she took a ride share, but investigators haven't been

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Speaker 3: able to confirm that.

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Speaker 4: Three days after she was seen leaving her home with

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Speaker 5: We cannot confirm that she actually got into a ride

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Speaker 5: share in Cohasset. We confurther, we have confirmed with the

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Speaker 5: A lines and that's been a challenge that she did

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Speaker 5: not board a plane this week.

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Speaker 4: Police say her phone has been off and there has

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Speaker 4: been no activity on her credit or debit cards.

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Speaker 6: Just a loving wife and mother Dave.

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Speaker 3: She always says, three beautiful boys, three borutical boys.

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Speaker 6: So she loves so.

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Speaker 1: Much too, little boys wondering where is mommy?

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Speaker 2: You were hearing our friends at wpr I and WUSA, So.

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Speaker 1: Where's Anna Now?

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Speaker 2: I had to take that exact flight very often, and

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Speaker 2: between New York and Boston and DC, it's almost a

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Speaker 2: triangle of hourly flights with me an all star panel

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Speaker 2: to make sense of what we know right now.

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Speaker 1: But first I'm going to go.

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Speaker 2: To Bob Ward, reporter for Boston twenty five News. You

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Speaker 2: can find them at Twitter at b war three. Bob,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Could you just verbalize

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Speaker 2: that a little bit better than I did? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I know, out of in New York, I would very

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Speaker 2: the Marine Air terminal at LaGuardia, a different terminal than

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Speaker 2: the main LaGuardia terminal because they had hourly flights not

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Speaker 2: only to Atlanta but to DC where I would go

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Speaker 2: to shoot Larry King. And believe it or not, they

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Speaker 2: were so regular, almost like a bus. For Pete's sake,

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Speaker 2: a lot of investigation to find out if she really

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Speaker 7: Right. But you know, Nanthy, right from the very beginning,

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Speaker 7: this sounded odd because you're talking this was New Year's Day.

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Speaker 7: This was first thing in the morning on New Year's Day.

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Speaker 7: She had a party at her house that went until

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Speaker 8: New Year's Eve into New Year's Day.

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Speaker 7: A mother of three who claimed there was an emergency

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Speaker 2: Okay, we wait, let me, let's start right there. Bob

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Speaker 2: Ward is joining me from Boston twenty five News. I'm

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Speaker 2: drinking out of the fireheiser from you, Bob Ward. You're

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Speaker 2: giving me so much information so quickly. So with the

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Speaker 2: three children. She was actually working in DC, living in

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Speaker 2: the Boston area. And what was her job in DC?

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Speaker 1: Was it a new job?

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Speaker 7: Was it was a fairly new job. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: Okay, but what was her job in DC?

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Speaker 7: I'm not clear on what her job was. She was

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Speaker 2: That's what it was. Property manager. And hold on just

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Speaker 2: a moment. We all know about getting a new job,

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Speaker 2: you feel like you got to do whatever they want

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Speaker 2: we've got her on six months probation we're going to

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Speaker 1: She's not doing a very good job. I mean, David

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Speaker 1: Stuttard is with me right now, Guys.

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Speaker 2: Now I think of David Stutter as a motorman, as

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Speaker 2: an APD Atlanta Police Department officer, but now he is

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Speaker 1: David Stutter. Do you remember your first day on the

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Speaker 7: Absolutely?

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Speaker 9: I do, And it was a long long time ago,

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Speaker 9: nineteen to eighty eight. And I do remember my first day,

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Speaker 9: and I was super excited, super enthusiastic and just wanting

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Speaker 9: to get out and save the world and.

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Speaker 2: Didn't want to screw anything up and land at some

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Speaker 9: That's right. We were on a very strict six month

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Speaker 9: probationary period when we first started there, and any infraction

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Speaker 9: would cause you some difficulty right quick. So to your point, absolutely,

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Speaker 9: I was willing to do whatever I needed to do

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Speaker 9: to get to that probationary perier.

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Speaker 2: And then you put yourself through law skill. Can you

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Speaker 2: remember your first day working as a lawyer? Like, man,

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Speaker 2: I'm gon unscrew this up. This is nothing like being

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Speaker 9: That's absolutely right, the same sort of feelings.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Karen.

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Speaker 2: Stark, you remember you would be with me on the

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Speaker 2: set at Court TV. Karen Stark is with me, a

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Speaker 2: renowned psychologists joining us out of the Manhattan jurisdiction. She's

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Speaker 2: at Karenstark dot com, Karen with the Sea. Karen, you'd

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Speaker 2: be with me on the set at Court TV, and

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Speaker 2: my stomach would be churning to figure out if I

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Speaker 2: I would make it. I don't think I ever did

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Speaker 2: you'll do anything. And if they told me, hey, you

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Speaker 2: I go, sure, I can't wait. Just like this woman,

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Speaker 2: they go, hey you got to fly down to DC.

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Speaker 2: We got an emergency. I don't care if it's New

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Speaker 2: Year's Day, and she would hop that plane. Would you

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Speaker 2: agree with that?

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Speaker 10: I would agree with it. Nancy, and I remember those

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Speaker 10: days like it was yesterday. You were always doing above

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Speaker 10: and beyond what you needed to do. I used to

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Speaker 10: watch Jo and Larry King because I couldn't believe that

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Speaker 10: you would make it, and you always made it.

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Speaker 1: But what pressure?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there were a lot of white knuckles and a

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Speaker 2: hearing from Bob Ward that something wasn't right, But yet

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Speaker 2: it was a new job, so people talked it off. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know, she's proving herself. But then things even went

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Speaker 2: more sideways. Take a listen to our friends at Boston

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Speaker 11: A Cohasset police log is shedding new light on how

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Speaker 11: the investigation first got started. It says a call requesting

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Speaker 11: a well being check was made on January fourth by

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Speaker 11: a man who identified himself as the head of security

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Speaker 11: at Honnor Walsh's employer in DC, Tishman Spire. The log

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Speaker 11: says Tishman Spyer contacted husband Brian Walsh before he reported

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Speaker 11: his wife missing. It explains that he told police on

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Speaker 11: a left for DC and he hadn't heard from her since.

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Speaker 11: According to the log, on his phone last pig on

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Speaker 11: January second, at three fourteen am in cohacit and hit

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Speaker 11: the tower on Reservoir Road in Cohacid, less than a

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Speaker 1: Okay with me.

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Speaker 2: Very well known PI private investigator Tom Ruskin is with us.

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Speaker 2: Ruskin is president of CMP Protective and Investigative Group, Inc.

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Speaker 1: Former NYPD investigator.

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Speaker 2: And you can find him at cmpdashgroup dot com. Tom Ruskin,

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Speaker 2: I don't like it when it's your job calling to

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Speaker 2: report you missing, not your family.

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Speaker 12: Correct, I mean distinks to the high heavens. It really

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Speaker 12: does not to mention that it is a lot easier

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Speaker 12: now than when I join the force before my colleague

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Speaker 12: in nineteen eighty two, to check flight records, to check

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Speaker 12: TSA records, to check different airlines. There's only a certain

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Speaker 12: number of airlines that would fly between her home and Washington, DC,

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Speaker 12: and it's very easy for the TSA and holy insecurity

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Speaker 12: to go into those records now and search for her name,

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Speaker 12: her data, birth and see if she A had a

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Speaker 12: get on the flight?

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you something, Tom Ruskin, That's an excellent point.

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Speaker 1: I hadn't even thought of, because I remember.

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Speaker 2: Going in your life at this stutter, going to the

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Speaker 2: Greyhound bus station in Inner City Atlantic trying to find

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Speaker 2: out if a particular woman who always into this day

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Speaker 2: is still a Jane Dae.

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Speaker 1: By the way, who's murdered if.

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Speaker 2: She had gotten off of a Greyhound bus before she

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Speaker 2: was murdered by whom I believe to be a serial killer.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry. I got them on one one.

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Speaker 12: But it was so hard to do to Nancy. You'll

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Speaker 12: also remember when you ran from Court TV to the

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Speaker 12: Marine Air terminal at Laguadi Airport. You used to be

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Speaker 12: able to run through no matinatometers. You'd run on a

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Speaker 12: and you just jump on the flight with a random

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Speaker 12: ticket that you could just say any hour. Nowadays, you

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Speaker 12: can't do that.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, tsa man.

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Speaker 2: They got to justify their existence and so they will

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Speaker 2: do a full on body cavity search if they feel

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Speaker 2: like it. It doesn't matter who you are. You know

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Speaker 2: who you get searched the most. My mother going in

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Speaker 2: with a wheelchair when we push her around the airport,

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Speaker 2: even though she can walk.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, they love to hone in on my mom.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth that said, you're right, Tom Ruskin, there's only a

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Speaker 2: couple of air carriers that go between Boston and DC.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Don't you just hate it

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Speaker 1: when people stab you? I mean that could be.

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Speaker 2: Deadly right Brian Walsh Walsh facing trial for the murder

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Speaker 2: of his wife and the dismemberment of her body, leaving

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Speaker 2: behind her little boys to be raised without a mother.

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Speaker 2: Unlike his wife Anna. He was treated at the hospital

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Speaker 2: and then released back to the custody of the local jail.

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Speaker 2: Anna Walsh was not so lucky. The employer is reporting

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Speaker 2: Anna missing, not her family, but listen to this WBZ.

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Speaker 13: WBZ is obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left

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Speaker 13: by mister Walsh for one of Anna's friends the same

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Speaker 1: At Digital Mountain dot com.

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Speaker 2: Julie, thank you for being with us Tom Ruskin, the

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Speaker 2: So according to police, she didn't make that flight. But

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Speaker 14: But you can certainly contact the custodian of records at

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Speaker 14: what the actual fact pattern is there?

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Speaker 2: Well, what about her phone? I mean most people get

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Speaker 15: If you have access to her phone, you knew the

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Speaker 14: The app, but most of that data would be stored

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Speaker 15: Uh not, it might not be stored on the local phone.

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Speaker 2: Got a question for you, Julie Lewis, if we don't

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Speaker 16: If I need to indicating on January first, at three pm,

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Speaker 16: He said, you know, he was lost when he saw

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Speaker 1: Karen Starry, I find that very unused.

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Speaker 2: I've told that my twins is like the wizards and

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Speaker 2: Why doesn't make sense to me he didn't have a

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Speaker 10: Well, let's think about this.

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Speaker 10: How many people really leave home these days without their phone.

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Speaker 10: I have trouble believing that he accidentally left at home

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Speaker 16: Data from the phone also practice We're boats on January through.

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Speaker 16: He walks to the dumpster carrying in garbage bag he's

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Speaker 16: He hit another complex in Abington and at five ten pm,

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Speaker 2: From the very beginning, I don't have a problem with

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Speaker 1: That concerns me.

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Speaker 2: And you know who reminds me of and you're gonna

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Speaker 2: know this name very well. Jennifer Dulo's the missing Connecticut

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Speaker 7: Anna Walsh's remains have never been located, and the thought

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Speaker 7: they were found and it's inside I don't know from

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Speaker 7: where the evidence, the incriminating evidence has been located in

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Speaker 2: Bob Ward, could you tell me everything you just said

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Speaker 8: Sure?

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Speaker 2: I think the gist is that very quickly after husband

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Speaker 2: have you ever noticed how defendants weave in a tiny

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Speaker 2: I like a magician or a wizard, because one moment

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Speaker 2: we know? Bob Ward joining me, investigative reporter of Boston

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Speaker 2: twenty five, tell me again what you just said?

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 7: On January third, Brian Walsh, according to the prosecutors, is

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Speaker 7: Shortly after he did that, those dumpsters were brought to

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Speaker 7: It's an absolutely horrific and gruesome part of this case.

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Speaker 7: The other half of it is that Brian Walsh did

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Speaker 2: And what do you believe Bob Ward were in those

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Speaker 7: What we've been told was that they found a hatchet,

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Speaker 7: they found her COVID nineteen card. It's absolutely stunning what

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Speaker 2: Joining me former APD Atlanta Police Department officer.

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Speaker 1: And now lawyer, what rank did you get to? Started?

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Speaker 9: I left, there's an investigator. Nantell's a homicide detective and

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Speaker 2: Okay, David, have you ever had a case without a body,

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Speaker 1: Without a body, Yes, I had. Can I just say

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Speaker 9: from her a few minutes after she's supposed to touch down,

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Speaker 9: I get frank. I mean, I'm calling every you know,

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Speaker 9: trying to call her and call her. This guy has

445
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Speaker 9: done nothing, but he's like a magnet for suspicion. I mean,

446
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Speaker 9: he's going out, he's talking about this pirate ship, you know,

447
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Speaker 9: and not to mention all of this physical evidence that's located,

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Speaker 9: which to my point is, you know, even the most

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Speaker 9: careful criminals, when they commit these kinds of crimes, it's

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Speaker 9: almost impossible to do it without leaving some sort of

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Speaker 9: forensic physical evidence behind. And this guy has left a

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Speaker 9: mountain of it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it could you.

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Speaker 2: Here's another thing, Julie Lewis, I'm gonna circle back to

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Speaker 2: you just a moment about possible nav systems on his car,

456
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Speaker 2: but Tom Ruskin joining me, then, don't want Karen start

457
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Speaker 2: to weigh in on this as well. Tom Ruskin, guy's

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Speaker 2: private investigator or extraordinary President of CMP Protective and Investigative Group,

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Speaker 2: Tom listen, I don't like jewelry. I really don't like

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Speaker 2: fancy clothes. I don't like fancy cars. But if you

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Speaker 2: were to take let's just say, this little ring right here,

462
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Speaker 2: this is made of my mother in law's jewelry. Okay,

463
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Speaker 2: it's very thin, it's not be jeweled, but if you

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Speaker 2: were to take that, I would come after you.

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Speaker 1: All right. There are just some things that would matter

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Speaker 1: to me.

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Speaker 2: And I've got a funny feeling this woman would not

468
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Speaker 2: want her to fancy boots and her proud of hers

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Speaker 2: thrown out.

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Speaker 12: No, and it would be weird if she had left

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Speaker 12: and left for a business trip, if she didn't take

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Speaker 12: those with her, that they wouldn't be behind in the

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Speaker 12: house and be discoverable. This guy is definitely the prime suspect,

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Speaker 12: and probably we'll be convicted at trial. The fact of

475
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Speaker 12: the matter is, to the other gentleman's point, you don't

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Speaker 12: need a body anymore to prove a case.

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Speaker 2: It sure helps, though, man, Come on, Ruskin, I mean, yeah,

478
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Speaker 2: you don't need a body. I'm not going to give

479
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Speaker 2: him a gold star for getting rid of the body.

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Speaker 2: And again, he hasn't been proven guilty. We're just hypothesizing

481
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Speaker 2: on the evidence that we have. But it's sure as

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Speaker 2: heck helps if you.

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Speaker 1: Do have a dead body to prove a murder case.

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Speaker 12: But it also goes against him because we know that

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Speaker 12: he was in these yards, he was dumping stuff. What

486
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Speaker 12: is he doing dumping her garbage? What's the matter? His

487
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Speaker 12: pickup's not working at his house?

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Speaker 2: And start he's so right, And Karen, again, I threw

489
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Speaker 2: this to Stuttard earlier, I think, but why do guys

490
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Speaker 2: turn into neat nicks as soon as their wives disappear?

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Speaker 2: And again, like Stutdard said, and like Ruskin is saying

492
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Speaker 2: about the trash, it defies the course of normal human conduct.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't check on his wife to see if she landed.

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Speaker 2: Her employer has to call looking for her. And then

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Speaker 2: he wants to take out the trash. Fine, do it

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Speaker 2: at the corner at the end of the driveway or

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Speaker 2: the trash ute in your apartment in Manhattan, But why

498
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Speaker 2: do you go to five or six different dumpsters? And

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Speaker 2: because somebody just surprised me once and not throw bloody

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Speaker 2: rags and towels in a dumpster.

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Speaker 1: Do something different.

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Speaker 10: What always happens, Nancy. He believes he's not going to

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Speaker 10: get caught, and this looks suspicious, so suspicious. I mean,

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Speaker 10: he gets lost going to his mother.

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Speaker 1: He didn't get lost.

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Speaker 2: He's trying to explain his circuitous route from one dump

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Speaker 2: to the next.

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Speaker 10: And also saying that he went to places where they

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Speaker 10: could check and he did not go.

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Speaker 12: So, Nancy, can I jump in for one sec. Yes,

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Speaker 12: I just want to bring well, to bring up the

512
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Speaker 12: fact this is a woman. Let's assume that the husband

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Speaker 12: has nothing to do with her murder. This is a

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Speaker 12: woman who's going to take a flight, supposedly from Boston

515
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Speaker 12: to Washington on business trip. Why is her phone off?

516
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Speaker 12: No one that travels, myself, my loved ones, my family. Well,

517
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Speaker 12: we go to the airport, you shut off your phone

518
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Speaker 12: once you're on the flight, and you turn it on

519
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Speaker 12: to mister Startdard's point once you land. Why is she

520
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Speaker 12: becoming a low a suddensereptitious or becoming covert in her actions?

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Speaker 12: Which sort of defies the logic of the husband.

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Speaker 2: Tom Ruskin private investigator. You're absolutely right. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: don't guess any of you people on this panel have

524
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Speaker 2: read Don't be a Victim written by what's that girl's name, Oh,

525
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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace. You're suppose to take a picture of when

526
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Speaker 2: you're in the parking deck, which I do and send

527
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Speaker 2: in my family, and then when I get them on

528
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Speaker 2: the plane, I take a picture I'm on the plane

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Speaker 2: and send to them. You don't even have to write

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Speaker 2: a text or write words, but just let people know

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Speaker 2: where you're going.

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Speaker 1: JACKI I think I've even sent them to you before. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I have. Okay, guys, that's not the end of it.

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Speaker 2: But I want to ask Julie Louis Something, President and

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Speaker 2: CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc. Julie, what about I like

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Speaker 2: to just say on Star as a blanket nav description,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't his car show everywhere he had been if it were,

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Speaker 2: you know, anything older than twenty ten?

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Speaker 15: So before I jump into that, I just you were

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Speaker 15: talking about pictures, and there was.

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Speaker 14: Supposedly a picture she photographed of herself with her wedding

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Speaker 14: ring off in some of her final photos, and so

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Speaker 14: within that picture there's things called excess data that you

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Speaker 14: can look for that potentially could have g location information

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Speaker 14: about where she was when the picture was taken.

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Speaker 1: See that is why you're the expert. I didn't even

547
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Speaker 1: catch that, Julie Lewis so.

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Speaker 14: Switching gears to the car. You know, the car is

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Speaker 14: a moving computer these days on most cars. With why

550
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Speaker 14: fuy has GPS, it has a cell network, all these things.

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Speaker 15: That you can use for tracking.

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Speaker 14: So if Brian's car has has that in it, law

553
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Speaker 14: enforcement could have certainly.

554
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Speaker 15: Used that information.

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Speaker 14: The other thing that happens in cars is a lot

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Speaker 14: of people think their phones and so text messages, contacts,

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Speaker 14: you know, browser history, all these things may be on

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Speaker 14: that on the car now. You know, for example, if

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Speaker 14: you rent.

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Speaker 15: A car, even that information can be on that.

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Speaker 14: So that's something that's really important to note.

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Speaker 2: You mean, when you charge your phone in a car,

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Speaker 2: the car can track everything that you have written on

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Speaker 2: your phone during that time.

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Speaker 15: It could be thinking like when you are in a

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Speaker 15: uber your playlist. Depending on the configuration, it could actually

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Speaker 15: down on that. So you don't want to go in

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Speaker 15: some strangers car rental car.

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Speaker 14: And plug it in because the car and fountainment system

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Speaker 14: could be grabbing and capturing some information from your phone.

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Speaker 1: Good to know crime stories with Nancy Grace. Why was

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Speaker 1: Brian Walsh stabbed?

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Speaker 2: We know that the inmates in that facility have access

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Speaker 2: to television. There are of course iPads, so many of

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Speaker 2: them know what he is accused of doing to his

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Speaker 2: beautiful wife, who, by the way, was the only one

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Speaker 2: working in the family. His Google searches were damning. I mean,

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Speaker 2: what an idiot. I just can't stress this enough. Take

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Speaker 2: a listen to our cut thirty six This is Land

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Speaker 2: Bilan talking on.

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Speaker 16: January first, defenitive googled using.

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Speaker 1: A son's iPad. Some of his searches are as follows.

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Speaker 16: Keep in mind that the dependant said he left at

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Speaker 16: sixty six am. At four fifty five am on January first,

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Speaker 16: he searched how long before a body starts to smell?

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Speaker 2: How long before a body starts to smell? Okay, keep going?

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Speaker 13: Eight am?

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Speaker 16: How to stop a body from decomposing?

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Speaker 13: At five twenty am.

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Speaker 16: He searched how to mount the body At five forty

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Speaker 16: seven am. Ten ways to dispose of a dead body

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Speaker 16: if you really need to. At six twenty five am

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Speaker 16: on the first, how long for someone to be missing

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Speaker 16: to inherit? At six thirty four am on first, can

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Speaker 16: the go away body pots?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I think we need Doctor Kendall Crowns, Chief Medical

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Speaker 2: examin Or, Terrant County Lecturer, University, Texas Austin and Texas

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Speaker 2: Christian University Medical School. Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us. Let me just ask you a couple

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Speaker 2: days and I'd like to point out also, this is

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Speaker 2: food for thought for you. Karen Stark, psychologist on his

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Speaker 2: son's iPad.

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Speaker 1: Like they don't know how to read the.

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Speaker 2: Search history and there's daddy searching. How long before a

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Speaker 2: body starts to smell? How do you stop a body

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Speaker 2: from decomposing? How to get rid of a body? Ten

607
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Speaker 2: ways to dispose of a dead body if you really

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Speaker 2: need to. I'm glad he had to tack that on

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Speaker 2: at the end. How long before? How long for someone

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Speaker 2: to be missing to inherit? That's not for you, Crowns.

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Speaker 2: Can you throw away body parts? Okay? I'm starting to

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Speaker 2: agree with Tom Ruskin and David Stutter that you don't

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Speaker 2: really need the dead body to prove that someone is dead.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns, can you give me some quick answers

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Speaker 2: to those This is a lightning round for you, how

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Speaker 2: long before a body starts to smell, doctor Crowns?

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Speaker 9: For ten days?

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Speaker 1: That just rolled off the tip of your tongue.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to ask why how do you stop

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Speaker 2: a body from decomposing?

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Speaker 8: Refrigeration? I mean, you look at it. That guy they

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Speaker 8: found in the iceberg ot to see the iceman. He

623
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Speaker 8: was missing for a thousand years and he's stuck in

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Speaker 8: the iceberg. So really, refrigeration is the best way to

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Speaker 8: prevent a body from decomposing.

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Speaker 2: Ten ways to dispose of a dead body if you

627
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Speaker 2: really need to.

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Speaker 1: That's not a medical question. Let me go to the

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Speaker 1: next medical question. Can you throw away body parts?

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Speaker 8: You have to, you know, if you don't want the

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Speaker 8: trash man to notice some potamon dumpsters like which was

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Speaker 8: possibly done in this case, and then dismember the individual

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Speaker 8: and just small enough parts that they aren't recognizable as

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Speaker 8: human and then mix them in with other trash, and

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Speaker 8: then other good way is to put them in. I

636
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Speaker 8: think it's like these pool chemicals that can melt the

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Speaker 8: body parts down into kind of a slug.

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Speaker 2: You know, Doctor Kendall Crowns, you're actually Nancy scaring many

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Speaker 2: people that are listening to you right now putting it

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Speaker 2: in pool. Wait a minute, Karen start, I know you've

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Speaker 2: got something toad.

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Speaker 1: Hold on.

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Speaker 2: What did you say about pool cleaner, Doctor Kendall Crowns.

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Speaker 8: There's a certain chemical they use. I believe it's in

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Speaker 8: pool cleaning or something else. I can't think of it

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Speaker 8: off the top of my head. But it'll actually dissolve

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Speaker 8: the dismembered body parts down relatively and it'll dissolve the

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Speaker 8: bone as well, and it'll just kind of make this

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Speaker 8: kind of ooze. Then you have to dispose of that.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you're on the right side of the law,

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Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crowns.

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Speaker 1: I really am. But guess what, guys, there's more.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen again to lend Biland at nine twenty

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Speaker 2: nine AM.

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Speaker 1: What does from Aldeheide do?

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Speaker 9: At nine thirty four?

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Speaker 10: You one first?

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Speaker 1: How long does the na lift?

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Speaker 16: At nine fifty nine A can identification be made when

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Speaker 16: passionate remains? At eleven thirty four AM. Dismendment and the

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Speaker 16: best ways to dispose of avoiding at eleven forty four.

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Speaker 1: How to put blood from wooden.

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Speaker 2: Flu at eleven fifty six On the.

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Speaker 16: First moment, all to detect blood at one oh eight?

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Speaker 16: What happens when you put body pots in a moment

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Speaker 16: at one one pm? Is the better the full clime

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Speaker 16: scene close away?

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Speaker 9: Or wash them?

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Speaker 1: Those one the general worst?

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Speaker 2: Okay, guys, just know that while some of these questions

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Speaker 2: are so rudimentary, they are cruel and horrible. And three

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Speaker 2: little boys are left without their mother while this guy

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Speaker 2: is googling what does for meldehide do? How long does

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Speaker 2: DNA last? Can an ID be made on partial remains? Dismemberment?

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Speaker 2: And best ways to dispose of a body? What happens

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Speaker 2: when you put body parts in ammonia? Should you throw

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Speaker 2: away crime scene clothes or wash them? So to doctor

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Speaker 2: Kendel Crown's lightning round, Doctor crowns, how long does DNA last?

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Speaker 8: You can find DNA ons on surfaces for years.

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Speaker 1: What does from aldehyde do?

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Speaker 8: From aldehyde is a fixative. Also, that's what you use

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Speaker 8: to kind of pickle the organs to keep them preserved

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Speaker 8: for a long periods of time.

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Speaker 1: What happens when you put body parts totnemonia? Doctor Kendl

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Speaker 1: Crowns That.

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Speaker 8: One, I don't know. That's a new one to me,

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Speaker 8: as far as I know, I stopped.

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Speaker 1: You're out, No, don't go, I've got more.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, one more quickie from Lynn blund to listen.

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Speaker 16: One can ry third. That same day at one o

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Speaker 16: two pm, you did some more Google searches. What happens

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Speaker 16: to hear on a dead body at one thirteen pm?

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Speaker 16: What is the rate of decomposition of the body found

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Speaker 16: in a plastic bag compared to on a service in

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Speaker 16: the woods at one pm?

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Speaker 1: And beating soda mask?

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Speaker 2: Well, maybe he is not good Ken baking soda make

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Speaker 2: a body a dead body smell good. These Google searches

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Speaker 2: have led to a bombshell development in the search for

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Speaker 2: Anna Walch. Bob Were Joining Me Boston twenty five News

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Speaker 2: and indictment explain.

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Speaker 7: He was indicted on three counts. There was murder, misleading investigators,

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Speaker 7: and improper disposal of a body. So his case is

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Speaker 7: being moved up from district court to Superior court. Superior

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Speaker 7: Court has the authority if he is when he has

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Speaker 7: tried and he's found guilty on first agree murder, to

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Speaker 7: hold him if he is convicted on first degree murder

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Speaker 7: for life not for all, which is the maximum sentence

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Speaker 7: here in Massachusetts. There is no death penalty. In Massachusetts. Naty,

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Speaker 7: Can I just say one thing about the internet searches,

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Speaker 7: and it's one thing that has just absolutely haunted me

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Speaker 7: when I go back over this timeline and you realize

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Speaker 7: that there was a New Year's Eve party, that there

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Speaker 7: were three people at this party. There was Brian Anna,

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Speaker 7: and they had one guest in the house, and that

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Speaker 7: guest left the house somewhere between twelve thirty and one

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Speaker 7: o'clock in the morning. That first search how long before

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Speaker 7: a body starts to smell is at four fifty five

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Speaker 7: am on a wall. She was alive at one o'clock

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Speaker 7: in the morning, and at four fifty five am she's gone,

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Speaker 7: and that search is done, and I just think about that,

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Speaker 7: and I think that she's in the house. They also

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Speaker 7: found we haven't talked about this in the district court arraignment.

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Speaker 7: They said that they found blood in the basement and

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Speaker 7: they found I think it was two bloody knives, one

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Speaker 7: broken bloody knife in the basement and a heavy smell

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Speaker 7: of ammonia in the basement of the house. So you know,

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Speaker 7: I'm picturing in my mind that her body is there

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Speaker 7: in the basement. He's killed her, and he goes and

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Speaker 7: he finds his kids iPad and he's doing these searches

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Speaker 7: within a couple of hours of his wife being there,

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Speaker 7: someone that he loved, and this is what he is doing.

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Speaker 7: I had a story, I broke a story about how

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Speaker 7: he threatened to kill her back in twenty fourteen. And

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Speaker 7: here he is in the first day of twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 7: in the house with her dead body and this is

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Speaker 7: she isn't even cold, and he is already coming up

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Speaker 7: with this plan on what to do with her remains.

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Speaker 7: You know, the depravity of this case. I've been doing

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Speaker 7: this for forty years, and the depravity of this case

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Speaker 7: to me is really just off the charts.

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Speaker 2: The three children, the three little boys, now no mom

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Speaker 2: and potentially no dad at home either. Not that it matters,

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Speaker 2: motive never has to be proven in court, but mom,

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Speaker 2: why why did he do this?

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Speaker 7: There's another detail here too, And from talking to investigators,

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Speaker 7: The New York Post had this, this picture you all

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Speaker 7: may have seen, and I talked to an investigator about this.

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Speaker 7: There was a champagne, a box of champagne from the

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Speaker 7: party that the New York Post got a picture of.

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Speaker 7: That was that was on the dining room table. I

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Speaker 7: went knocked on the door. When before all this blew out,

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Speaker 7: before everything happened, I was trying to talk to Brian.

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Speaker 7: I did you know when she was missing?

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Speaker 9: And we didn't know what we.

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Speaker 7: Were getting ourselves into, really really early on, and I

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Speaker 7: could see inside and the Christmas tree was still set

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Speaker 7: up and it was still lit. You could see inside.

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Speaker 7: I didn't see what I'm about to describe to you

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Speaker 7: because the police hadn't done their search yet. So they

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Speaker 7: found a bottle of champagne and I was still in

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Speaker 7: its box, and the New York Post got a picture

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Speaker 7: of this, and on the side of the box on

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Speaker 7: a Walsh had written a note to Brian on New

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Speaker 7: Year's Eve that said, to Brian, we made it through.

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Speaker 7: Twenty twenty two was a tough year, but twenty twenty

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Speaker 7: three is going to be a great year. I love you, Anna,

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Speaker 7: and it had hearts written on it. And the investigator

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Speaker 7: that I spoke to said they believed that that was her.

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Speaker 7: Those are her last words to the world. And when

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Speaker 7: I look at there's another Internet search here from December

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Speaker 7: twenty seventh. They did not describe where the Internet search

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Speaker 7: was found, so they didn't say if it was on

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Speaker 7: the kids iPad or it was on a phone or

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Speaker 7: a computer, but all it said was the best state

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Speaker 7: for a divorce for a man. So that's from December

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Speaker 7: twenty seventh, when Honor still alive, before the New Year's

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Speaker 7: Eve party. And it makes me wonder if Anna, if this,

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Speaker 7: whatever happened, whatever happened New Year's Eve, if Anna never

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Speaker 7: saw this coming, just came out of the blue. I

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Speaker 7: think because the story that I broke about the threat

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Speaker 7: that she complained back in twenty fourteen, before they were engaged,

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Speaker 7: they were just dating. She complained to DC police that

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Speaker 7: he threatened to kill her in twenty fourteen, I think,

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Speaker 7: and I know investigators think that this is a domestic

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Speaker 7: violence case and there's an escalation that started then in

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Speaker 7: twenty eighteen, there's a selfie picture of her where she's

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Speaker 7: pointing at a bruise on her face and she said

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Speaker 7: that she walked, she fell at work or something. It's

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Speaker 7: on one of her Instagram accounts, and I think there

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Speaker 7: was an escalation of domestic violence. I don't think the

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Speaker 7: police were ever called, but something happened was going on

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Speaker 7: behind the scenes, and this is going to be one

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Speaker 7: of the things that I'm going to be watching for

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Speaker 7: to try to understand what happened here and how this exploded,

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Speaker 7: because you don't, you don't get to this kind of

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Speaker 7: and this hatred to you know, I can understand a

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Speaker 7: moment of passion, of murder, of a moment of anger,

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Speaker 7: but this dismemberment and this depravity that we see here,

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Speaker 7: and these messages that are caught on the iPad, and

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Speaker 7: then what we've been talking about with the disposal of

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Speaker 7: the body, it's almost too much.

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Speaker 2: Do you blame the inmates for being angry with Brian Walsh?

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Speaker 2: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off, good

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Speaker 2: bye friend,