WEBVTT - Draft Show: Bucky Brooks Joins The Show 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:11.200 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:21.520 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. He's the Dallas Cowboys 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:26.440 dot Com Draft Show, your war room for incenter news 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:35.800 and draft analysis. Dallas Smith running back from Florida. Ninety 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:39.360 one days until the NFL Draft in Las Vegas, Nevada. 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:42.320 But we are live the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:46.680 Show in Mobile, Alabama and the twenty twenty Reese's Senior Bowl. 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:49.040 As we are glad to bring you all the coverage 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.680 for the Senior Bowl here this season alongside the great 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:55.920 David Hellman and our special guest today, mister Bucky Brooks. 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:58.600 I'm Kyle Yeoman's and Bucky. Welcome to the table and 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.480 welcome aboard, sir. We are decited to talk some draft 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:05.160 with a former NFL player, former NFL scouting now with 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.080 the NFL Network and Fox. You're you're all over the place. 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:11.560 You have your your hand in almost every cookie jar, 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.120 but one of the big cookie jars is the NFL Draft, 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.120 and I know you're just as excited as we are. Yeah, 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:18.000 I am excited. I'm excited. You guys do a great job, 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:19.479 so I'm excited to just kind of be a part 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:21.360 of it, and it's gonna be fun to kind of 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.959 dive into this Senior Bowl. And also some Cowboys talk 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:25.520 as well. I know you and I on the car 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:27.319 ride over here, we're even talking a little bit of 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.199 the Dallas Cowboys and we'll hit plenty of those twitter 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:31.960 on the twenty coming up in just a little bit. 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:34.520 And then also we're gonna look through your blueprint to 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:38.880 have a successful franchise in the NFL, building through the draft, 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.320 and we'll hit that up in our final segment, and 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:43.840 that's gonna be cool to look at and see exactly 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:48.720 where the Cowboys stand in terms of those needs and 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.800 those different blueprints that will will look at as well. 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.240 But wanted to start off with the Senior Bowl and 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:57.240 with it in mobile and Dave and I've been running around. 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:00.480 We've been on opposite sides of the stadium and different 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:05.480 It's always a hectic week man, different tasks at hand, 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.400 but all of us kind of having some of these 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:10.639 same players stick out to us and some of these 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:12.519 same guys kind of impressed us over the course of 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.400 the week. So starting off with the general look of 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.079 the week, who stood out to you overall, and we'll 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.680 start with you, Buck, I think the best player that 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:22.600 has been in the building has been Javonn. Ken Law 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:26.360 from South Carolina. I think when you look at a 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.040 big man six six three ten who is able to 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:32.120 kind of dominate and control the point of attack, you 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:34.760 have to like those things in a league where it's 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:37.400 becoming more important than ever to be able to dominate 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.600 at the line of scrimmage. Ken Law has shown that 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:41.400 when you look at his length, you look at his side, 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:44.280 you look at his versatility. I think sometimes when you 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:46.040 look at the South Carolina tape you see him play 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:48.320 over the center, but down here, when he's been able 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:51.639 to play over guards, over tackles and kind of envisioning 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:55.919 him being a piece of a three four defense, you 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:57.800 can see where he could be a dominant force. To me, 0:02:57.960 --> 0:02:59.640 he has been one of the most impressive, if not 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.280 demo impressive player down here. I think that's really It's 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.639 an interesting dichotomy too, because it goes to show, you know, 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:07.960 it's only two or three practices and it came out 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:10.040 this morning. Ken Law's done for the week anyway, so 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:14.240 two practices, but it goes on to make a huge 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.760 difference in the evaluation because I think, and I don't 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:18.200 mean to knock any of these guys, but I think 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:21.639 the other really dominant storyline is the guys who didn't participate. 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.680 You know, it was almost unprecedented how many guys were 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:28.079 flagged at the beginning of the week. Brandon Hyuk, Christian 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:31.519 Fulton pulled out, you know, the day that everybody got doutomobile. 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:34.520 So I think you probably came down here with five 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:38.320 or six first round caliber guys, maybe a little bit more. 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.440 But a lot of those guys aren't doing anything. And 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.000 I think Ken Law benefits from the fact that he 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.080 was out there being evaluated by all the scouts. Yeah, 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:47.960 you do benefit when you show up because now you 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.320 get an opportunity to kind of make a first impression. 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:54.240 So the way that this would typically go, area scouts 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.560 have seen him, whoever was responsible for the Southeast, they've 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.440 seen him, but the director may not have seen him. 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.600 Digitiman and you certainly may not have gone into South 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:03.160 Carolina and done the school call. And then all the 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:06.440 other scouts and then the coaches are just becoming a 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:09.880 part of the process. So this is their first impression. 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.680 And so if you show up and show out very 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.400 very early in the Senior Bowl. You now kind of 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.680 have this favorable impression that you left on guys. So 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:19.719 then when you go back into draft meetings, you have 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.240 these people that are advocating for you, just based off 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:26.120 that quick snapshot, what's this week like for area scouts? Like, 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.440 I mean, if that's your area, You've known about Javon 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:32.280 ken Law for a long time, but you mentioned you know, 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.040 the GM is looking at him this week, like maybe 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.480 these guys are like crossing their fingers like, yeah, man, 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:39.880 make me look smart this week. You know, there's a 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:41.400 lot of that, like you kind of on egshells a 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:43.080 little bit. For the guys that you really really like, 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:45.760 you you want to see them kind of play to 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:47.920 the level that you believe that they played at when 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.000 you went in on the school call. And so while 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.600 you're here, you're looking at those guys and you're trying 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:55.640 to kind of keep a clean slate in terms of like, look, 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.680 sometimes when you go into fall, your grade may not 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.640 necessarily reflect how they perform here, and so you're trying 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:03.760 to see do they perform to that level? Do they 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.880 perform better than the level was I off a little 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:08.720 bit when I saw him? Meaning maybe I graded him 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.599 too high based on what he's done. These All Star 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.760 games shouldn't hurt the prospect, but what it should do 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:18.520 is force you to either confirm your original opinion or 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:20.440 to make you go back and watch the take to 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.400 make sure that you get them right. I actually heard 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.520 a really I overheard a really great line in the 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:27.680 press box yesterday watching practice. Somebody was like, Oh, I 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.159 don't even look at the roster during the week because 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.160 I don't want the guys. I like, you know, I 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:33.960 don't want to be hunting for the guys. I like, like, 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.400 I just write the numbers down and go from there 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:38.480 and cross check later because I don't want to be 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.359 biased in what I'm wanting. And there's something too that, 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.599 like there's something to confirmation bias, like kind of seeing 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:46.400 what you want to see when it comes to it. 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:50.080 And I think was always interesting about the entire evaluation process. 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.479 Even when you get to All Star games, you and 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:54.720 I can sit side by side and we can watch 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:57.880 a player performer, we can have two completely different opinions 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.400 and takes, and so it's one of those things where 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:02.040 beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But what 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:05.120 you're trying to do here is trying to take the 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.320 players that you see working in a pro system and 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.960 imagine what those players would look like in ust system 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:15.520 because the most important part of the process is fit 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.360 in scheme. How does this player fit in the scheme 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.880 that we run, because that's when you see players really 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:22.960 elevated because their perfect fits in the scheme well. And 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.600 that kind of translates back to Mike McCarthy and what 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:29.560 he said earlier in his tenure, right after he got hired, saying, hey, 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:31.600 we're not really looking at schemes right now. And even 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.159 Stephen Jones echoed that the other day when he talked 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.599 to the media saying, Hey, we're gonna look at getting 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:38.520 the best guys. We're gonna look at getting some talented 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:40.600 guys to put on the scown Boys roster, whether it 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.359 be through the draft or be through free agency. But 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:45.960 as a scout, and we continue talking about the scouting 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.479 side of things, how tough is that to say, hey, 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.800 we don't necessarily have that system fit, but we're going 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:56.919 for talent overall, even though talent in fit kind of 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:58.960 go hand in hand. They go hand in hand. So 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.520 there are two ways that you can approach it. From 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.080 the personnel standpoint. There's the way that we talked about 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.159 where fit in scheme, where the general manager or whoever's 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.240 in charge, they kind of said, Okay, here are the 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:12.800 players that we like, here's the profile, the length, the traits, 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.280 here's the system that we play. We need these kind 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:17.360 of guys to fit how we play. Then the other 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:20.040 thing is, hey, bring me the talent and we will 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.000 fit the system around what they do. So go and 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.920 get the most talented players. Go get really good football 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.680 players who are productive, who are performers, don't worry about 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:32.760 the traits, so to speak, and then we will take them. 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.920 We will get them on on campus, and then once 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.480 we figure out what they do well, we will slowly 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.160 begin to build a system around them. There are two 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.400 different ways to do it. It really depends on the 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.160 best way for your coach and what he's most comfortable doing, 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.600 which I'm you know, we talked about it earlier this week, 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:50.920 like I'm dying to know what that's gonna look like, 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:54.239 because like we had, you know, under Rod Marinelli seven 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.560 years of doing this, we kind of we had the blueprint. 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.240 We're like, Okay, he's gonna go after this style of 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:03.440 pass rusher doesn't like to spend big resources on nose tackles. Uh, 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.120 you know, you got to have this arm length to 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:07.640 play cornerback in his system, all that type of stuff, 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.400 And we're kind of starting from scratch, which we talked 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:14.080 to Will McClay yesterday. He really doesn't like to like 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.320 give out too much. Unfortunately. By the one thing I 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:19.480 did notice, and I think Will has done two or 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.040 three interviews since the season ended, he mentioned, you know, 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.440 bulking up in the interior. He's mentioned that a couple 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:26.400 of times across a couple of different interviews. So again, 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:29.600 like starting to piece it together, maybe Mike McCarthy wants 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:31.840 to get a little bit beefier. You know, Rod's kind 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:35.120 of known for those undersized defensive tackles. But as we 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.880 go along, I'm dying to know, you know, what are 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.360 these archetypes that you're looking for, because I mean, they 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:42.160 don't want to admit it, but at some point you 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:44.840 are right, I mean you're not. I think the best 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.280 way that you can do is just track the history 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.520 of the de coordinator. So if you track the history 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.000 of Mike Nolan, Mike Nolan typically has been a three 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.480 four defensive guy. When you have a three to four, 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.800 your guys on the inside like your nose tackling. You're 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:00.400 they still called defense vans, but are really defensive backs. 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:04.000 They're bigger, they're longer. They have to be able to 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:06.800 two gap. In most of those three four systems, your 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:11.199 outside rushers, your outside players can be fast and explosive. 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:14.200 One gap may need to be a dropper to other 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:17.439 guy as a primary pass rusher. But it's a little 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.000 different when they just talk about wanting to be bigger. 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.559 For Rod and Marinellie's system, he wanted to be able 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:26.480 to one gap penetrate like the guy who is kind 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:28.679 of like the goal standard for interior attackers for him 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:30.320 would be a Warren Sap. So when you go all 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.320 the way back and think about how Warren Sapp played, 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:35.720 it was quickness off the ball, quick penetration, being able 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:36.800 to be on the other side of the line of 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:41.000 scrimmage with your athleticism. Well, now when you're moving potentially 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.440 to a three four system, is can I occupy two blockers? 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.760 So now my linebackers become two stars. Can my linebackers 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:51.240 run and chase? And so you will see the bulk 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:55.240 of the team up front change because linebackers typically will 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:56.959 get beef here because they may have to take on 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:01.000 more blockers than they're normally used to. Your interior guys 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.040 have to occupy two blockers, so you need a little 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.800 more size and growth to be able to kind of 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:08.680 hold the point, and so it will change. It'd be 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:12.000 interesting to see how quickly you can change that defensive 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.360 line up. Well, I know we've talked about before Jalen 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.000 Smith as a linebacker kind of plays better going downhill, 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.439 and I might fit better into that system the way 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.080 that he could. Then. Now, like you said, he might 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.199 have to bulk up a little bit to shed off 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.600 some of those tacklers. But you mentioned the beef in 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:27.600 terms of this draft, there's plenty of it to go 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.040 around in the middle of the middle of the defensive 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:32.280 line you talk about, I mean, just divine kin Law 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.280 already a Cowboys fans starting to kind of fall in 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.040 love a little bit with kin Law. However, the last 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.280 time that the Cowboys took a defensive tackle in the 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:44.679 draft nineteen ninety one, Yeah, Russell Men Maryland. So it's 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.040 been quite a while since the Cowboys have actually gone 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:50.160 to interior defensive lineman in the first round. Of a draft. However, 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.520 there are some guys kind of later in the pack, 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.160 later in the draft that you could potentially look to 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.040 to fill that role. Another one that might be here 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.120 is Neville Gallimore. What did you see out of the 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.560 Oklahoma defensive tackle this week and did he impress you 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:05.280 at all in the middle of that d line. You know, 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:08.000 I really liked him coming into the game when you 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.600 watched him middle Oklahoma. I think you liked his athleticism. 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:11.880 I think you liked the way that he was able 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:15.040 to penetrate very very light. You're talking about a Canadian 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.920 born player, a guy who really was a basketball player 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.640 into a very very late stage in terms of playing football. 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.480 So when you look at his footwork, his athleticism, his 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:27.080 movement skills, you definitely like that. In terms of being 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.840 kind of like a stacking ship, like an old school guy, 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.160 he's not necessarily that, but at Oklahoma you see him 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.840 play and make plays what we call from tackle tackle. 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.679 His ability to pursue from the backside is something that 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.520 is a little unique for a defensive tackle. So I 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:44.520 really like him and I think he is going to 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.199 be a guy maybe not in that first round conversation, 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:48.760 but in the second round you can kind of see 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:50.560 where he kind of fits in. I think one of 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:52.280 the things that stuck out to me this week was 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:53.960 the way that he used his hands. I mean, some 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:57.400 of those one on one drills he just had just big, 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.439 meaty hands. First off, I mean, those things are those 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:02.880 things pack a punch in its own, But just the 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:04.480 way that he was able to kind of finish and 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:06.960 get off the ball, I think was it was definitely 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.600 something to look forward to. And something that really stood 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.200 out to me was something that I didn't see on film. 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:14.679 And you saw the lateral ability on film, and that's 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.319 where really what I saw note wise, But I think 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:19.800 this week the hands were really and I think the 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:22.000 most important thing when you when you're looking at those 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:24.680 guys up front, and you heard him even on the 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:30.240 practice field hands inside. Friz Shermer, who was decordinated for 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.079 a Green Bay a long time ago when I was 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:35.319 playing there, he always talked about guys have to play 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:36.880 with their hands first. So when you're looking at a 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.480 defensive lineman, do they get their hands up and off 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.280 and can they get inside because whoever gets inside first 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.520 controls the down. And so when I look at Gallimore 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.079 Gallimore does have the ability to put his hands inside. 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:49.760 He does have the ability to kind of stack and 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:52.240 ship and kind of move. And then with the lateral quickness, 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:53.880 you're talking about a guy who certainly can be an 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:58.280 into your run stuffer. Which okay, Gallimore, but I love 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:02.680 it when experts make me feel smart. Which we didn't 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.920 prompt you into this. But all day yesterday I'm watching 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:10.080 this number fifty five from North Carolina, Jason Jason Strowbridge, 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.280 and I'm sitting there debating with myself. I'm like, Okay, 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.720 this guy is killing people. But am I just watching 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:21.679 him because like he's got this Carolina blue helmet, Carolina blue, 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:24.440 you know, cleats just jumping off the field. But I 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:26.640 thought he looked really impressive. He had great hands, he 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:29.320 had great quickness. I was impressed that it seemed like 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.160 in addition to being able to overpower people, he was 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:33.800 able to get around him. Like he looked like he 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.280 had pass rush moves. Then we come down and film 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:38.880 our post practice hit with you, and that's who you 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:40.880 wanted to talk about too, So give me let me 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:45.480 he's a Chapel Hill guy, I am. So. The funny 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:47.120 thing is when you watched him doing a regular season. 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.840 I don't know if anyone could predict he played more outside. 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.560 You can see it. They were okay on defense, not 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.920 necessarily dominant. But right now you talk about six five five, 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.440 two hundred and ninety pounds, the limp that you see 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.040 his ability to play with his hands. It's really important 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:02.559 because if you can play with your hands from a 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.760 technical standpoint, regardless of size, you always have an opportunity 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:07.720 to win. And what you see with him is because 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:09.640 he's able to play with his hands, he plays on 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:11.560 the other side of the line of scrammers. He quickly 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.880 disengages and gets into plays. And then when you combine 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.200 hand skills with a high revend motor, then you become 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.040 you begin to get a disruptive player. And we're begin 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.760 to see flashes of him disrupt things in nine on 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:27.280 seven and team drill. So the very very promising I 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.560 think when you talk about day two, what you're looking at, 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.120 you're looking at a guy with traits who has the 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.760 toughness and the motor to be a guy that can 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:36.480 play down in and down out. And he certainly has 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:40.360 shown that. Man. With the prospects of Gallimore and then 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:44.280 Strowbridge potentially being Day two guys. There's a lot of 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.280 options for the Cowboys even if they wanted to go 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:48.480 secondary in that first round. I know a lot of 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:50.880 Cowboys fans are already set on your guy from LSU, 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:54.000 Grant Delpit, and you mentioned some of the guys that 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.720 weren't there over the course of the week, Ashton Davis 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.320 Christian Fulton. Those are two guys that I know Cowboys 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:01.560 fans really want to get a good look at throughout 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.720 the Senior Bowl, and now they'll get their chance down 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.320 the road. Another guy that I know I wanted to 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.240 look at was lek A Foe two. Yeah, I'm Leaky 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:12.640 Foe two. That's another that first one, but he was 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.480 inactive over the course. He still stayed in a jersey 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.640 and was walking around on the sidelines. But a big 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:20.560 guy out of Utah on that defensive line that I 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.600 really wanted to look at as well. Yeah, the thing 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:24.520 that you talked about, like when you talk about lak 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:28.360 A six five, three thirty five pounds and so as 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:33.280 you're envisioning this Cowboys defense, potentially change height and length 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.520 is really important. And it's important because those interior defenders 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:39.760 are now being asked to occupy double team blocks at 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:41.160 the point of attack, and so you need to have 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:42.840 the length to be able to stab one off while 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:44.680 you're holding the other. Can you throw your hip in 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:46.960 the gap and do those things? And so it's the 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:51.160 combination of the long arms with the size that allows 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.440 them to stay because if they can occupy two blockers, 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.560 now you have LV and Jenny Smith being able to 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:58.960 run and chase freely. That's when the big place happened 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:00.600 on defense, which and that's was going to bring that 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.120 up when you mentioned Mike Nolan. Is you know Mike 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.720 McCarthy said last week and he was not very firm 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:08.680 on this commitment, but it sounds like they want to 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.160 have four down lineman at least for this year. Even 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:15.120 still with the resources that you've sunk into those linebackers, 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.240 it only makes sense that you want to free them up. 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.760 It seemed like they had problems with that this year, 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:21.640 and I'd be willing to beat a decent chunk of 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:23.360 that is the lack of bulk they had in front 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.480 of them. Yeah, So now the thing about the three 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.120 four and the fourth three is all semantics like Mike 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.440 Nolan can take that defense and he can basically make 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.120 a four three play like a three four. Like one 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.520 of those defensive ends will be called a leo or 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.800 a lion or elephant or whatever you want to call it, 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.000 and he'll in essence be the fourth outside linebacker and 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:45.440 the other guys would be your other traditional linebackers, and 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.280 then they'll play like an over or over front, and 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.720 they'll move those guys up and down the line to 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.040 kind of get some advantages so those guys can stay 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.120 off and run in chase, and so as they begin 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:58.760 to tinker with it regards of whether it's a four 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:02.120 three or three four paper, they will align to players 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.000 in a position where Jalen Smith and Vanda esh are 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.240 able to run and chase. Because when you really look 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.159 at their team, the speed from those two linebackers are 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:13.640 probably the best asset of the defense at the second level. 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:15.280 They can run and chase, and when they're playing at 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.080 their best man, they create a lot of chaos and 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:18.560 have you want to freedom up to do what they 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.960 do and be able to fly around the football and 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.439 make some plays, force some turnovers, which, of course, like 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:25.520 as we've seen in the past, it's been a little 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.240 bit of a buggaboo for the Boys slightly, just a 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.840 slight buggaboo to force the turnovers. 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