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Speaker 1: for the Senior Bowl here this season alongside the great
Speaker 1: David Hellman and our special guest today, mister Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeoman's and Bucky. Welcome to the table and
Speaker 1: welcome aboard, sir. We are decited to talk some draft
Speaker 1: with a former NFL player, former NFL scouting now with
Speaker 1: the NFL Network and Fox. You're you're all over the place.
Speaker 1: You have your your hand in almost every cookie jar,
Speaker 1: but one of the big cookie jars is the NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: and I know you're just as excited as we are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I am excited. I'm excited. You guys do a great job,
Speaker 1: so I'm excited to just kind of be a part
Speaker 1: of it, and it's gonna be fun to kind of
Speaker 1: dive into this Senior Bowl. And also some Cowboys talk
Speaker 1: as well. I know you and I on the car
Speaker 1: ride over here, we're even talking a little bit of
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys and we'll hit plenty of those twitter
Speaker 1: on the twenty coming up in just a little bit.
Speaker 1: And then also we're gonna look through your blueprint to
Speaker 1: have a successful franchise in the NFL, building through the draft,
Speaker 1: and we'll hit that up in our final segment, and
Speaker 1: that's gonna be cool to look at and see exactly
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys stand in terms of those needs and
Speaker 1: those different blueprints that will will look at as well.
Speaker 1: But wanted to start off with the Senior Bowl and
Speaker 1: with it in mobile and Dave and I've been running around.
Speaker 1: We've been on opposite sides of the stadium and different
Speaker 1: It's always a hectic week man, different tasks at hand,
Speaker 1: but all of us kind of having some of these
Speaker 1: same players stick out to us and some of these
Speaker 1: same guys kind of impressed us over the course of
Speaker 1: the week. So starting off with the general look of
Speaker 1: the week, who stood out to you overall, and we'll
Speaker 1: start with you, Buck, I think the best player that
Speaker 1: has been in the building has been Javonn. Ken Law
Speaker 1: from South Carolina. I think when you look at a
Speaker 1: big man six six three ten who is able to
Speaker 1: kind of dominate and control the point of attack, you
Speaker 1: have to like those things in a league where it's
Speaker 1: becoming more important than ever to be able to dominate
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. Ken Law has shown that
Speaker 1: when you look at his length, you look at his side,
Speaker 1: you look at his versatility. I think sometimes when you
Speaker 1: look at the South Carolina tape you see him play
Speaker 1: over the center, but down here, when he's been able
Speaker 1: to play over guards, over tackles and kind of envisioning
Speaker 1: him being a piece of a three four defense, you
Speaker 1: can see where he could be a dominant force. To me,
Speaker 1: he has been one of the most impressive, if not
Speaker 1: demo impressive player down here. I think that's really It's
Speaker 1: an interesting dichotomy too, because it goes to show, you know,
Speaker 1: it's only two or three practices and it came out
Speaker 1: this morning. Ken Law's done for the week anyway, so
Speaker 1: two practices, but it goes on to make a huge
Speaker 1: difference in the evaluation because I think, and I don't
Speaker 1: mean to knock any of these guys, but I think
Speaker 1: the other really dominant storyline is the guys who didn't participate.
Speaker 1: You know, it was almost unprecedented how many guys were
Speaker 1: flagged at the beginning of the week. Brandon Hyuk, Christian
Speaker 1: Fulton pulled out, you know, the day that everybody got doutomobile.
Speaker 1: So I think you probably came down here with five
Speaker 1: or six first round caliber guys, maybe a little bit more.
Speaker 1: But a lot of those guys aren't doing anything. And
Speaker 1: I think Ken Law benefits from the fact that he
Speaker 1: was out there being evaluated by all the scouts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you do benefit when you show up because now you
Speaker 1: get an opportunity to kind of make a first impression.
Speaker 1: So the way that this would typically go, area scouts
Speaker 1: have seen him, whoever was responsible for the Southeast, they've
Speaker 1: seen him, but the director may not have seen him.
Speaker 1: Digitiman and you certainly may not have gone into South
Speaker 1: Carolina and done the school call. And then all the
Speaker 1: other scouts and then the coaches are just becoming a
Speaker 1: part of the process. So this is their first impression.
Speaker 1: And so if you show up and show out very
Speaker 1: very early in the Senior Bowl. You now kind of
Speaker 1: have this favorable impression that you left on guys. So
Speaker 1: then when you go back into draft meetings, you have
Speaker 1: these people that are advocating for you, just based off
Speaker 1: that quick snapshot, what's this week like for area scouts? Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, if that's your area, You've known about Javon
Speaker 1: ken Law for a long time, but you mentioned you know,
Speaker 1: the GM is looking at him this week, like maybe
Speaker 1: these guys are like crossing their fingers like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: make me look smart this week. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of that, like you kind of on egshells a
Speaker 1: little bit. For the guys that you really really like,
Speaker 1: you you want to see them kind of play to
Speaker 1: the level that you believe that they played at when
Speaker 1: you went in on the school call. And so while
Speaker 1: you're here, you're looking at those guys and you're trying
Speaker 1: to kind of keep a clean slate in terms of like, look,
Speaker 1: sometimes when you go into fall, your grade may not
Speaker 1: necessarily reflect how they perform here, and so you're trying
Speaker 1: to see do they perform to that level? Do they
Speaker 1: perform better than the level was I off a little
Speaker 1: bit when I saw him? Meaning maybe I graded him
Speaker 1: too high based on what he's done. These All Star
Speaker 1: games shouldn't hurt the prospect, but what it should do
Speaker 1: is force you to either confirm your original opinion or
Speaker 1: to make you go back and watch the take to
Speaker 1: make sure that you get them right. I actually heard
Speaker 1: a really I overheard a really great line in the
Speaker 1: press box yesterday watching practice. Somebody was like, Oh, I
Speaker 1: don't even look at the roster during the week because
Speaker 1: I don't want the guys. I like, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't want to be hunting for the guys. I like, like,
Speaker 1: I just write the numbers down and go from there
Speaker 1: and cross check later because I don't want to be
Speaker 1: biased in what I'm wanting. And there's something too that,
Speaker 1: like there's something to confirmation bias, like kind of seeing
Speaker 1: what you want to see when it comes to it.
Speaker 1: And I think was always interesting about the entire evaluation process.
Speaker 1: Even when you get to All Star games, you and
Speaker 1: I can sit side by side and we can watch
Speaker 1: a player performer, we can have two completely different opinions
Speaker 1: and takes, and so it's one of those things where
Speaker 1: beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But what
Speaker 1: you're trying to do here is trying to take the
Speaker 1: players that you see working in a pro system and
Speaker 1: imagine what those players would look like in ust system
Speaker 1: because the most important part of the process is fit
Speaker 1: in scheme. How does this player fit in the scheme
Speaker 1: that we run, because that's when you see players really
Speaker 1: elevated because their perfect fits in the scheme well. And
Speaker 1: that kind of translates back to Mike McCarthy and what
Speaker 1: he said earlier in his tenure, right after he got hired, saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we're not really looking at schemes right now. And even
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones echoed that the other day when he talked
Speaker 1: to the media saying, Hey, we're gonna look at getting
Speaker 1: the best guys. We're gonna look at getting some talented
Speaker 1: guys to put on the scown Boys roster, whether it
Speaker 1: be through the draft or be through free agency. But
Speaker 1: as a scout, and we continue talking about the scouting
Speaker 1: side of things, how tough is that to say, hey,
Speaker 1: we don't necessarily have that system fit, but we're going
Speaker 1: for talent overall, even though talent in fit kind of
Speaker 1: go hand in hand. They go hand in hand. So
Speaker 1: there are two ways that you can approach it. From
Speaker 1: the personnel standpoint. There's the way that we talked about
Speaker 1: where fit in scheme, where the general manager or whoever's
Speaker 1: in charge, they kind of said, Okay, here are the
Speaker 1: players that we like, here's the profile, the length, the traits,
Speaker 1: here's the system that we play. We need these kind
Speaker 1: of guys to fit how we play. Then the other
Speaker 1: thing is, hey, bring me the talent and we will
Speaker 1: fit the system around what they do. So go and
Speaker 1: get the most talented players. Go get really good football
Speaker 1: players who are productive, who are performers, don't worry about
Speaker 1: the traits, so to speak, and then we will take them.
Speaker 1: We will get them on on campus, and then once
Speaker 1: we figure out what they do well, we will slowly
Speaker 1: begin to build a system around them. There are two
Speaker 1: different ways to do it. It really depends on the
Speaker 1: best way for your coach and what he's most comfortable doing,
Speaker 1: which I'm you know, we talked about it earlier this week,
Speaker 1: like I'm dying to know what that's gonna look like,
Speaker 1: because like we had, you know, under Rod Marinelli seven
Speaker 1: years of doing this, we kind of we had the blueprint.
Speaker 1: We're like, Okay, he's gonna go after this style of
Speaker 1: pass rusher doesn't like to spend big resources on nose tackles. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you got to have this arm length to
Speaker 1: play cornerback in his system, all that type of stuff,
Speaker 1: And we're kind of starting from scratch, which we talked
Speaker 1: to Will McClay yesterday. He really doesn't like to like
Speaker 1: give out too much. Unfortunately. By the one thing I
Speaker 1: did notice, and I think Will has done two or
Speaker 1: three interviews since the season ended, he mentioned, you know,
Speaker 1: bulking up in the interior. He's mentioned that a couple
Speaker 1: of times across a couple of different interviews. So again,
Speaker 1: like starting to piece it together, maybe Mike McCarthy wants
Speaker 1: to get a little bit beefier. You know, Rod's kind
Speaker 1: of known for those undersized defensive tackles. But as we
Speaker 1: go along, I'm dying to know, you know, what are
Speaker 1: these archetypes that you're looking for, because I mean, they
Speaker 1: don't want to admit it, but at some point you
Speaker 1: are right, I mean you're not. I think the best
Speaker 1: way that you can do is just track the history
Speaker 1: of the de coordinator. So if you track the history
Speaker 1: of Mike Nolan, Mike Nolan typically has been a three
Speaker 1: four defensive guy. When you have a three to four,
Speaker 1: your guys on the inside like your nose tackling. You're
Speaker 1: they still called defense vans, but are really defensive backs.
Speaker 1: They're bigger, they're longer. They have to be able to
Speaker 1: two gap. In most of those three four systems, your
Speaker 1: outside rushers, your outside players can be fast and explosive.
Speaker 1: One gap may need to be a dropper to other
Speaker 1: guy as a primary pass rusher. But it's a little
Speaker 1: different when they just talk about wanting to be bigger.
Speaker 1: For Rod and Marinellie's system, he wanted to be able
Speaker 1: to one gap penetrate like the guy who is kind
Speaker 1: of like the goal standard for interior attackers for him
Speaker 1: would be a Warren Sap. So when you go all
Speaker 1: the way back and think about how Warren Sapp played,
Speaker 1: it was quickness off the ball, quick penetration, being able
Speaker 1: to be on the other side of the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage with your athleticism. Well, now when you're moving potentially
Speaker 1: to a three four system, is can I occupy two blockers?
Speaker 1: So now my linebackers become two stars. Can my linebackers
Speaker 1: run and chase? And so you will see the bulk
Speaker 1: of the team up front change because linebackers typically will
Speaker 1: get beef here because they may have to take on
Speaker 1: more blockers than they're normally used to. Your interior guys
Speaker 1: have to occupy two blockers, so you need a little
Speaker 1: more size and growth to be able to kind of
Speaker 1: hold the point, and so it will change. It'd be
Speaker 1: interesting to see how quickly you can change that defensive
Speaker 1: line up. Well, I know we've talked about before Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith as a linebacker kind of plays better going downhill,
Speaker 1: and I might fit better into that system the way
Speaker 1: that he could. Then. Now, like you said, he might
Speaker 1: have to bulk up a little bit to shed off
Speaker 1: some of those tacklers. But you mentioned the beef in
Speaker 1: terms of this draft, there's plenty of it to go
Speaker 1: around in the middle of the middle of the defensive
Speaker 1: line you talk about, I mean, just divine kin Law
Speaker 1: already a Cowboys fans starting to kind of fall in
Speaker 1: love a little bit with kin Law. However, the last
Speaker 1: time that the Cowboys took a defensive tackle in the
Speaker 1: draft nineteen ninety one, Yeah, Russell Men Maryland. So it's
Speaker 1: been quite a while since the Cowboys have actually gone
Speaker 1: to interior defensive lineman in the first round. Of a draft. However,
Speaker 1: there are some guys kind of later in the pack,
Speaker 1: later in the draft that you could potentially look to
Speaker 1: to fill that role. Another one that might be here
Speaker 1: is Neville Gallimore. What did you see out of the
Speaker 1: Oklahoma defensive tackle this week and did he impress you
Speaker 1: at all in the middle of that d line. You know,
Speaker 1: I really liked him coming into the game when you
Speaker 1: watched him middle Oklahoma. I think you liked his athleticism.
Speaker 1: I think you liked the way that he was able
Speaker 1: to penetrate very very light. You're talking about a Canadian
Speaker 1: born player, a guy who really was a basketball player
Speaker 1: into a very very late stage in terms of playing football.
Speaker 1: So when you look at his footwork, his athleticism, his
Speaker 1: movement skills, you definitely like that. In terms of being
Speaker 1: kind of like a stacking ship, like an old school guy,
Speaker 1: he's not necessarily that, but at Oklahoma you see him
Speaker 1: play and make plays what we call from tackle tackle.
Speaker 1: His ability to pursue from the backside is something that
Speaker 1: is a little unique for a defensive tackle. So I
Speaker 1: really like him and I think he is going to
Speaker 1: be a guy maybe not in that first round conversation,
Speaker 1: but in the second round you can kind of see
Speaker 1: where he kind of fits in. I think one of
Speaker 1: the things that stuck out to me this week was
Speaker 1: the way that he used his hands. I mean, some
Speaker 1: of those one on one drills he just had just big,
Speaker 1: meaty hands. First off, I mean, those things are those
Speaker 1: things pack a punch in its own, But just the
Speaker 1: way that he was able to kind of finish and
Speaker 1: get off the ball, I think was it was definitely
Speaker 1: something to look forward to. And something that really stood
Speaker 1: out to me was something that I didn't see on film.
Speaker 1: And you saw the lateral ability on film, and that's
Speaker 1: where really what I saw note wise, But I think
Speaker 1: this week the hands were really and I think the
Speaker 1: most important thing when you when you're looking at those
Speaker 1: guys up front, and you heard him even on the
Speaker 1: practice field hands inside. Friz Shermer, who was decordinated for
Speaker 1: a Green Bay a long time ago when I was
Speaker 1: playing there, he always talked about guys have to play
Speaker 1: with their hands first. So when you're looking at a
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, do they get their hands up and off
Speaker 1: and can they get inside because whoever gets inside first
Speaker 1: controls the down. And so when I look at Gallimore
Speaker 1: Gallimore does have the ability to put his hands inside.
Speaker 1: He does have the ability to kind of stack and
Speaker 1: ship and kind of move. And then with the lateral quickness,
Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy who certainly can be an
Speaker 1: into your run stuffer. Which okay, Gallimore, but I love
Speaker 1: it when experts make me feel smart. Which we didn't
Speaker 1: prompt you into this. But all day yesterday I'm watching
Speaker 1: this number fifty five from North Carolina, Jason Jason Strowbridge,
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there debating with myself. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this guy is killing people. But am I just watching
Speaker 1: him because like he's got this Carolina blue helmet, Carolina blue,
Speaker 1: you know, cleats just jumping off the field. But I
Speaker 1: thought he looked really impressive. He had great hands, he
Speaker 1: had great quickness. I was impressed that it seemed like
Speaker 1: in addition to being able to overpower people, he was
Speaker 1: able to get around him. Like he looked like he
Speaker 1: had pass rush moves. Then we come down and film
Speaker 1: our post practice hit with you, and that's who you
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about too, So give me let me
Speaker 1: he's a Chapel Hill guy, I am. So. The funny
Speaker 1: thing is when you watched him doing a regular season.
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone could predict he played more outside.
Speaker 1: You can see it. They were okay on defense, not
Speaker 1: necessarily dominant. But right now you talk about six five five,
Speaker 1: two hundred and ninety pounds, the limp that you see
Speaker 1: his ability to play with his hands. It's really important
Speaker 1: because if you can play with your hands from a
Speaker 1: technical standpoint, regardless of size, you always have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to win. And what you see with him is because
Speaker 1: he's able to play with his hands, he plays on
Speaker 1: the other side of the line of scrammers. He quickly
Speaker 1: disengages and gets into plays. And then when you combine
Speaker 1: hand skills with a high revend motor, then you become
Speaker 1: you begin to get a disruptive player. And we're begin
Speaker 1: to see flashes of him disrupt things in nine on
Speaker 1: seven and team drill. So the very very promising I
Speaker 1: think when you talk about day two, what you're looking at,
Speaker 1: you're looking at a guy with traits who has the
Speaker 1: toughness and the motor to be a guy that can
Speaker 1: play down in and down out. And he certainly has
Speaker 1: shown that. Man. With the prospects of Gallimore and then
Speaker 1: Strowbridge potentially being Day two guys. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: options for the Cowboys even if they wanted to go
Speaker 1: secondary in that first round. I know a lot of
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans are already set on your guy from LSU,
Speaker 1: Grant Delpit, and you mentioned some of the guys that
Speaker 1: weren't there over the course of the week, Ashton Davis
Speaker 1: Christian Fulton. Those are two guys that I know Cowboys
Speaker 1: fans really want to get a good look at throughout
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, and now they'll get their chance down
Speaker 1: the road. Another guy that I know I wanted to
Speaker 1: look at was lek A Foe two. Yeah, I'm Leaky
Speaker 1: Foe two. That's another that first one, but he was
Speaker 1: inactive over the course. He still stayed in a jersey
Speaker 1: and was walking around on the sidelines. But a big
Speaker 1: guy out of Utah on that defensive line that I
Speaker 1: really wanted to look at as well. Yeah, the thing
Speaker 1: that you talked about, like when you talk about lak
Speaker 1: A six five, three thirty five pounds and so as
Speaker 1: you're envisioning this Cowboys defense, potentially change height and length
Speaker 1: is really important. And it's important because those interior defenders
Speaker 1: are now being asked to occupy double team blocks at
Speaker 1: the point of attack, and so you need to have
Speaker 1: the length to be able to stab one off while
Speaker 1: you're holding the other. Can you throw your hip in
Speaker 1: the gap and do those things? And so it's the
Speaker 1: combination of the long arms with the size that allows
Speaker 1: them to stay because if they can occupy two blockers,
Speaker 1: now you have LV and Jenny Smith being able to
Speaker 1: run and chase freely. That's when the big place happened
Speaker 1: on defense, which and that's was going to bring that
Speaker 1: up when you mentioned Mike Nolan. Is you know Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy said last week and he was not very firm
Speaker 1: on this commitment, but it sounds like they want to
Speaker 1: have four down lineman at least for this year. Even
Speaker 1: still with the resources that you've sunk into those linebackers,
Speaker 1: it only makes sense that you want to free them up.
Speaker 1: It seemed like they had problems with that this year,
Speaker 1: and I'd be willing to beat a decent chunk of
Speaker 1: that is the lack of bulk they had in front
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, So now the thing about the three
Speaker 1: four and the fourth three is all semantics like Mike
Speaker 1: Nolan can take that defense and he can basically make
Speaker 1: a four three play like a three four. Like one
Speaker 1: of those defensive ends will be called a leo or
Speaker 1: a lion or elephant or whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 1: and he'll in essence be the fourth outside linebacker and
Speaker 1: the other guys would be your other traditional linebackers, and
Speaker 1: then they'll play like an over or over front, and
Speaker 1: they'll move those guys up and down the line to
Speaker 1: kind of get some advantages so those guys can stay
Speaker 1: off and run in chase, and so as they begin
Speaker 1: to tinker with it regards of whether it's a four
Speaker 1: three or three four paper, they will align to players
Speaker 1: in a position where Jalen Smith and Vanda esh are
Speaker 1: able to run and chase. Because when you really look
Speaker 1: at their team, the speed from those two linebackers are
Speaker 1: probably the best asset of the defense at the second level.
Speaker 1: They can run and chase, and when they're playing at
Speaker 1: their best man, they create a lot of chaos and
Speaker 1: have you want to freedom up to do what they
Speaker 1: do and be able to fly around the football and
Speaker 1: make some plays, force some turnovers, which, of course, like
Speaker 1: as we've seen in the past, it's been a little
Speaker 1: bit of a buggaboo for the Boys slightly, just a
Speaker 1: slight buggaboo to force the turnovers. Well, we're just underway
Speaker 1: here in the Draft show from Mobile, Alabama, and we've
Speaker 1: got plenty more to get to Twitter on the twenty
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Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman, and guys Twitter. On the twenty one of
Speaker 1: our favorite sections. Absolutely got a pause for the little
Speaker 1: bit of that drop in the middle of there. I
Speaker 1: know that's going to be in there like last week.
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk right back over that. But
Speaker 1: we're getting there. Yeah, Yeah, we're getting there. We'll get
Speaker 1: it right at some point. However, one of our favorite
Speaker 1: segments just because we get to hear from the fans
Speaker 1: and here directly the questions that they have for us.
Speaker 1: And we'll start things off with our boy Matt, who's
Speaker 1: always been very active with us on Twitter, asking us
Speaker 1: do you see more guys going the Nick Bosa route?
Speaker 1: Of course, Bosa and his forty nine ers going into
Speaker 1: the going into the Super Bowl and here in a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks and not playing their final year and
Speaker 1: then simply training for the NFL. Or is this something
Speaker 1: that he just could do because his brother was already
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Kind of an interesting discussion going back
Speaker 1: and forth. Well, it's interesting discussion. But he didn't start
Speaker 1: out the season saying that he was going to train.
Speaker 1: He's suffering an injury, and then he made a decision,
Speaker 1: a business decision, rather than try and fight to come back.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just start working on training, make sure I
Speaker 1: get really healthy so I can show scouts an evaluate
Speaker 1: because I think we have seen some of that trend
Speaker 1: where guys are beginning to kind of way the fortunes
Speaker 1: way that kind of the future over whether they should
Speaker 1: play with their team. We've seen more guys sit out
Speaker 1: Bowl games more than ever. So as we see more
Speaker 1: guys do that, and as the public becomes increasingly more
Speaker 1: comfortable with guys doing that, I think we will see
Speaker 1: some guys begin to kind of sit out if they
Speaker 1: suffer an injury. Yeah, I think the injury is the
Speaker 1: big thing, and honestly, it seems a little overblown to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Bosa was dealing with a pretty severe injury. He tried
Speaker 1: to gut it through a couple of weeks realize it
Speaker 1: probably wasn't the best idea. Leonard Fournette is another famous example,
Speaker 1: but he was I mean, he was hindered by an
Speaker 1: ankle injury for most of that season, and most of
Speaker 1: those guys that have done that are I mean, it
Speaker 1: was only what three weeks ago. Alabama is absolutely loaded
Speaker 1: with draft talent, and the vast majority of those guys
Speaker 1: played in a non playoff bowl game. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think I think that's I think that's interesting. So some
Speaker 1: of it will speak to the competitiveness of the individual
Speaker 1: and the bond and the connection that he has with
Speaker 1: the team in the university, and how he feels like
Speaker 1: he should kind of uphold his end of the obligation.
Speaker 1: But I can't fall guys from making business decisions. However,
Speaker 1: I think most scouts would tell you that they would
Speaker 1: preferred to see guys kind of play it to the end.
Speaker 1: How much does that also kind of play a factor
Speaker 1: into the coaching staff in the colleges, in the programs
Speaker 1: down there? I mean Nick Saban, of course, you know
Speaker 1: what he brings to the table in terms of the
Speaker 1: connections and the knowledge that he's able to share with
Speaker 1: his players. Maybe is that a reason why they continue
Speaker 1: to compete even in the bowl games like this Interest Bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think it may have something to do
Speaker 1: with that. I mean, obviously you always want to get
Speaker 1: a good word of recommendation, and I think because Nick
Speaker 1: Saban carries so much clout and cass when it comes
Speaker 1: to his word and reputation in NFL circles, certainly you
Speaker 1: want to leave on the right note. But I think
Speaker 1: each player has to make an individual decision to see
Speaker 1: what is best for them. But even sitting out doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily guarantee that they're going to what they think they're
Speaker 1: going to get when it comes to draft A And
Speaker 1: that was going to be my next question was what's
Speaker 1: a negative side of that? I know, the positives or
Speaker 1: you avoid injury, you're able to train and get your
Speaker 1: body ready for the war that the NFL does have
Speaker 1: coming up, But what are the negative signs of that? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean football is a developmental game and you only
Speaker 1: get better by getting reps, and you have to play
Speaker 1: to become a better player. It's not like basketball where
Speaker 1: you can just kind of sit in a silo in
Speaker 1: the gym and kind of work on your game without competition.
Speaker 1: Football you need competition to kind of hone your skills,
Speaker 1: and so the negative side would be you kind of
Speaker 1: stunt some of your development by not playing, and you
Speaker 1: can't simulate what takes on what takes place on the
Speaker 1: football field and training workouts, like you just can't do it.
Speaker 1: We've seen guys like, I mean, we saw Zeke like
Speaker 1: Zeke be awade and come back like it's just not
Speaker 1: the same when you train on you know, you have
Speaker 1: to play football to become a really good football player.
Speaker 1: And that's why I mean between between the not only that,
Speaker 1: like you need the reps, practice and games, and then
Speaker 1: the story line that it becomes, whether it's media, whether
Speaker 1: it's you know, I mean everybody that interviews you at
Speaker 1: the combine, all through the process is going to want
Speaker 1: to know about that. I think the vast majority of
Speaker 1: guys just won't think it's worth it, Like you said,
Speaker 1: unless there's an injury concern. Yeah, if there's an injury concern,
Speaker 1: yes you can see it. But in terms of hey,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm gonna play my first two years and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit up my third geen go into the draft,
Speaker 1: I just don't know how that work. And I also
Speaker 1: like when you're away, you allow other people to potentially
Speaker 1: jump to the front of the line, like we won't,
Speaker 1: we won't have this conversation. But let's just think about
Speaker 1: to a tongue about Loa and how he was the
Speaker 1: presumptive number one pick at quarterback. Well, he kind of
Speaker 1: falls apart because he has an injury. He kind of
Speaker 1: phades the black. Joe Burrow continues to play, and the
Speaker 1: lasting image that we have is Joe Burrow. So that's
Speaker 1: a really great point. Yeah, that's what happened. It was
Speaker 1: even as recently as September, it was a foregone conclusion
Speaker 1: that too was the number one pick in the draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you leave the door crack for others to having
Speaker 1: performances that kind of change in way the opinion of scouts,
Speaker 1: and so sometimes you want to finish it all the
Speaker 1: way out so everyone knows exactly who you are and
Speaker 1: where you deserved a stack. That is interesting you think about.
Speaker 1: Of course, Miami at the beginning of the year was
Speaker 1: probably the team that had the lowest or probably the
Speaker 1: highest chance to get that number one pair was gonna
Speaker 1: go number one to Miami, And now Joe Burrows going
Speaker 1: number one to Cincinnati and two one might go number
Speaker 1: five to Miami. Absolutely, you never know, but definitely an
Speaker 1: interesting conversation because there's so many different ways you could
Speaker 1: go about entering the NFL and entering the draft, whether
Speaker 1: it's you want to sit out, you want to play
Speaker 1: all the way through, and the competitiveness definitely does play
Speaker 1: quite the factor. Now, wanted to ask you this question,
Speaker 1: and this comes from our boy Preston Dabs on Twitter.
Speaker 1: Mister Dabs asked, he said, is Derek Brown so much
Speaker 1: better than Javon kin Law that he is worth the
Speaker 1: price of a trade up? And he put in parentheses
Speaker 1: say a first and a third to trade up to
Speaker 1: try and get and this is specifically for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: to try and trade up from seventeen to get Derek
Speaker 1: Brown out of Auburn six five, twenty five pound DT.
Speaker 1: I like Derek Brown, but I wouldn't trade up to
Speaker 1: get him, not if Javin ken Law is there. I
Speaker 1: think when you make those moves to trade up, there
Speaker 1: has to be such a divide between the people at
Speaker 1: the top and the others that you know that there's
Speaker 1: a significant drop off. I don't know if there's a
Speaker 1: significant enough drop off between Derek Brown and Javin ken
Speaker 1: Law to prompt me to make that move. I think
Speaker 1: both are talented. I think Derek Brown is a very
Speaker 1: special player. But I think if us right, Javin McKinley
Speaker 1: could could be the same thing. So I think it
Speaker 1: comes to looking at both guys, evaluating their physical trade
Speaker 1: and how they were using a production and right now,
Speaker 1: I would say that they're closer graded than the separation
Speaker 1: the big divide you have graded higher. Oh, I would
Speaker 1: say Derek Brown is a better prospect, a better player.
Speaker 1: A couple other points too, is I don't know that
Speaker 1: that trade would get that done one and three to
Speaker 1: get you from seventeen to maybe as high as three, yeah,
Speaker 1: or I think I saw Daniel Jeremiah had him rated
Speaker 1: above Joe Burrow in terms of just a purer prospect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're talking about certainly a top five pick, maybe
Speaker 1: top two or three. I don't think that trade gets
Speaker 1: it done. First of all. The other thing is, I
Speaker 1: know the Cowboys need a D tackle. It's very rare
Speaker 1: to see a D tackle that's worth that type of resource.
Speaker 1: I mean, you think about even in Dominican Sue Nick Fairley.
Speaker 1: I can go down the list of amazing defensive tackles
Speaker 1: and those guys have you know, Sue has had an
Speaker 1: amazing career, But did he transform the Detroit Lions into
Speaker 1: the franchise that they wanted to be when they drafted him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's a very very interesting point when we
Speaker 1: think about the defensive tackle position, Like it's look the
Speaker 1: way teams are building the teams you have to have
Speaker 1: two pass rushes that most would tell you they would
Speaker 1: rather have someone on the outside and one person on
Speaker 1: the inside because into your pass rush really disrupts the
Speaker 1: rhythm of the quarterback. However, it's hard to find guys
Speaker 1: that can be double digit set guys on the interior.
Speaker 1: And as much as I love guys that can stop
Speaker 1: the run and plug and do all those things, they
Speaker 1: don't impact the game like someone exactly get double digit secks.
Speaker 1: So unless it's a special pass rusher on the inside,
Speaker 1: it's not really worth making that move. Which is ironic
Speaker 1: because like the one guy that's been able to do
Speaker 1: that as Aaron Donald, and he was drafted thirteenth, which
Speaker 1: is down toward the Cowboys range, right, And and that's
Speaker 1: the thing and the thing about like the Aaron Donald
Speaker 1: comparison is when you looked at Aaron Donald during his
Speaker 1: time at pitt high number of tacles for loss, high
Speaker 1: numbers of sacks. When you saw him come down here,
Speaker 1: dominated the entire week, and so even with all of
Speaker 1: that dominance that he displayed, he still was taking more
Speaker 1: in the middle. It's the first kind of crazy in retrospect,
Speaker 1: like he was like his whole resume just screamed to
Speaker 1: draft me, and people were still like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but you know the bigger thing, And I think the
Speaker 1: league has kind of changed a little bit since then.
Speaker 1: The high thing, like it was hard for sure. I mean,
Speaker 1: we didn't have a lot of evidence of six one,
Speaker 1: six two into your players being able to dominate to
Speaker 1: the level where it merited a high pick. Now he
Speaker 1: has since kind of paid the way for other guys
Speaker 1: to do it. But until you're kind of the pioneer
Speaker 1: or the trailblazer, it's hard for us to get on board.
Speaker 1: I remember when we were here in twenty fourteen, a
Speaker 1: lot of people compared him to me because he's like
Speaker 1: so short for an interior defensive line. I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's that short, but well, you got
Speaker 1: to think about the different needs also for the Cowboys overall,
Speaker 1: I mean secondary. In Will mcclason yesterday, you can't have
Speaker 1: a good secondary without a good line. You can't have
Speaker 1: a good line without a good secondary. Right now, I
Speaker 1: think you have some pieces that you could go out
Speaker 1: and find a free agency the plug holes on the line,
Speaker 1: as opposed to the talent really needs to come from
Speaker 1: the draft if you're looking secondary. With the amount of
Speaker 1: contracts the Cowboys have to pay out, they need to
Speaker 1: be hitting on multiple draft picks to compensate for that. Like,
Speaker 1: you need to be getting production from young, cheap players,
Speaker 1: and you're not doing that if you're trading picks away.
Speaker 1: So it would have to be a heck of a
Speaker 1: deal for me to want to do something like It's
Speaker 1: an interesting point that you're bringing up, because once the
Speaker 1: money is doled out, and let's just imagine they're gonna
Speaker 1: pay the quarterback, and once you pay Dak Prescott and
Speaker 1: he gets like the big money, let's just say it's
Speaker 1: in the thirty thirty to thirty range. U Now, the
Speaker 1: way that you build your team it has to become
Speaker 1: more on drafting, and so if you commit your resources
Speaker 1: to the offense, meaning high price quarterback, high price running back,
Speaker 1: and maybe high price receiver. Well, now on defense, the
Speaker 1: only people that you can pay is one pass rusher
Speaker 1: and then the other guys have to be draft and
Speaker 1: develop guys, guys that are home grown guys that you
Speaker 1: get on a cheap contract for four years, and then
Speaker 1: maybe you can earmark a handful of things. But this
Speaker 1: year is very, very important because retooling the secondary and
Speaker 1: those things like you really got to knock it out
Speaker 1: depart when it comes to draft. Now you got to
Speaker 1: be able to hit on those draft picks. And around
Speaker 1: eighty million in cap space for the Cowboys heading into
Speaker 1: the free agency market and you're gonna have to look there.
Speaker 1: But this is another question to ask and kind of
Speaker 1: interesting to think about. But what is a surprise position?
Speaker 1: This comes from Kyle on Twitter. What is a surprise
Speaker 1: position that you could see the Cowboys drafting at pick seventy?
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because all the needs are kind
Speaker 1: of all over the place, Like ideally you talk about
Speaker 1: like safety being one d line. We've talked about cornerback
Speaker 1: to me is one that could be in place because
Speaker 1: you have to take a decision on whether I would
Speaker 1: take a young corner or resigned Byron Jones. Then on
Speaker 1: the other side is what are they doing at wide
Speaker 1: receiver because wide receiver is the main one. Even if
Speaker 1: a Mary Cooper is resigned, does that mean that Ryndal
Speaker 1: Cop comes back? How does that work? I think wide
Speaker 1: receiver could be the position that you kind of see
Speaker 1: with Mike McCarthy coming in and being an offense I'm
Speaker 1: on the head coach and wanted to get the offense
Speaker 1: up and going. And if you commit big money to
Speaker 1: the quarterback, everything initially has to be on making sure
Speaker 1: that he's comfortable. I think wide receiver is a position
Speaker 1: that should think about. It absolutely is, and that I
Speaker 1: mean every year I drive the train of like I
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, your defense doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: that great if you can score forty points a game.
Speaker 1: And this is such a loaded receiver class that I'm like,
Speaker 1: So I'm so intrigued by the idea of like a
Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs at seventeen. You know, I might depended in
Speaker 1: a mock draft. So yeah, it's fun to think about that.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, this receiver class is so
Speaker 1: freaking it. It's so deep. So I've said on record
Speaker 1: that I don't know if I would spend the first
Speaker 1: round pick on a wide receiver. However, if I'm an
Speaker 1: take one, I want to get a polished one. I
Speaker 1: want to get it right now because I feel like
Speaker 1: the window for the Cowboys is kind of imminent, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have Zeke in the middle of a big deal.
Speaker 1: You have Dak that's going to be on the front
Speaker 1: end deal, Like you kind of want to get it going,
Speaker 1: so I don't want to have time. And typically the
Speaker 1: round designations kind of speak to how long did it
Speaker 1: take for a player to develop. If I can get
Speaker 1: a first round player that can come right off the
Speaker 1: college field and onto the pro field and be able
Speaker 1: to dominate, I'm more to get one of those guys.
Speaker 1: If you were asking me for a surprise, okay, because like,
Speaker 1: no position on defense would shock me. Maybe maybe linebacker,
Speaker 1: I guess, because they'd have Layton vander esh and Jalen Smith.
Speaker 1: Nobody on defense would shock me because they have needs
Speaker 1: all over the defense. If I was looking for a shock,
Speaker 1: i'd probably say offensive tackle because this is this is
Speaker 1: a pretty steep and stacked tackle class, right Like we're
Speaker 1: talking about five or six first round tackles. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at Jedrick Willis, I'm looking at Tristan Worf's who. Maybe
Speaker 1: he's a guard, but he played tackle in college. The
Speaker 1: Georgia guy, what's his name, Andrew Thomas. Yeah, um, all
Speaker 1: of that makes sense for the Cowboys range Tyrn Smith.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's still a hell of a player. He's
Speaker 1: still he's still a player, but right now it's still
Speaker 1: a little more reputation than performance. Like he hasn't been
Speaker 1: the dominant player that we saw yea four or five
Speaker 1: years for sure. I think he's sore. As he's a
Speaker 1: very good tackle, he is not the like godlike tackle
Speaker 1: that he was four or five years ago. The line
Speaker 1: as a whole is not the line that we saw
Speaker 1: four or five years ago. And so if if you're
Speaker 1: going to the kind of money that you've committed to
Speaker 1: Zeke and eventually Dak, that offensive line has to be
Speaker 1: a fortress. And so taking an offensive tackle, uh certainly
Speaker 1: could be one. The name that's kind of like getting
Speaker 1: the buzz when you talk to scouts. McCay Beckton, big
Speaker 1: athletic guy. There's a video float on Twitter with him
Speaker 1: playing basketball where you can see his athleticism dunking in
Speaker 1: those things. He's going to be in that conversation where
Speaker 1: people are talking about, hey, whether he goes and so
Speaker 1: he may go higher than expect it. But at seventeen,
Speaker 1: there's going to be an offensive lineman that's sitting there
Speaker 1: that is a blue chip player. And remember years ago
Speaker 1: when they took Sam Martin, everyone was like what are
Speaker 1: they doing? But it actually was a key building block
Speaker 1: for that team becoming a division champion. Was at sixteen. Yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: it's right in that range, which it's the age old
Speaker 1: debate is like, yeah, they need a safety, Yeah, they
Speaker 1: need a d tackle. Are you going to force that
Speaker 1: pick because you need it? Or you know last year
Speaker 1: or what they say it was a blinking light Like
Speaker 1: if he got a blinking light tackle, do you pull
Speaker 1: that trigger? I, like I said, I'd be pretty shocked
Speaker 1: because Tyrant's got gas in the tank. They just signed
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins for the you know, for the long term. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you think about it. I mean they could use a
Speaker 1: swing tackle. This guy could kind of ease in with
Speaker 1: the idea of being Tyrant's successor. It's not the worst
Speaker 1: idea I've ever No, it's not. It's not the worst idea,
Speaker 1: and also like you would like to make those moves
Speaker 1: a year too early rather than a year too late.
Speaker 1: If we talk about Tyron and some of the injury history,
Speaker 1: you would like to have that that successor already into
Speaker 1: building being developed to be the next one, as opposed to, Hey,
Speaker 1: he goes down and then the next year you have
Speaker 1: to go looking for an offensive tack. You never want
Speaker 1: to go to the grocery store hunger. And with that
Speaker 1: being said, do you talk about maybe the fact that
Speaker 1: it is a year too late in a couple of
Speaker 1: these areas. You want to make that pick a little
Speaker 1: bit earlier for some areas. But I mean, if you
Speaker 1: look at safety and you look at maybe interior defensive lineman,
Speaker 1: it might be a year too late. Overall. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: might be a year too It might be a year
Speaker 1: too late. I think it depends on how you envisioned
Speaker 1: that guy playing the safety in this defense. What does
Speaker 1: it What does it mean? Do you need to have
Speaker 1: a dominant dude in the middle of your defense or
Speaker 1: can you get away with m kind of a pedestrian
Speaker 1: safety that's a guy that's more of a traffic cop.
Speaker 1: When you think about the safeties in this class. Zavian
Speaker 1: McKinney is a guy that is more near the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, in the box, blixing and doing those things,
Speaker 1: not necessarily a true cover guy. And I think, like
Speaker 1: you go back to Cowboys, Lord, if you think about
Speaker 1: how Roy Williams played in his prime when he was
Speaker 1: down in the box, McKinney's kind of more in that,
Speaker 1: like Grant Delpit is more of your float, play over
Speaker 1: the top, do things like that. The biggest issue that
Speaker 1: you have with Delpit over McKinney is delpest mistackles this
Speaker 1: year were significant and alarming and can you fix that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like those things because his tape from September
Speaker 1: and October is scary, not in a good way, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's scary, and so can can you fix the tackling issue?
Speaker 1: And a lot of debt will be on the coaches
Speaker 1: after they talk to him and after they get a
Speaker 1: field for him. Is it a want to thing or
Speaker 1: a technique thing? Like That's what you have to determine
Speaker 1: because in the middle of the field you can't have
Speaker 1: guys missed out because those places certain touchdowns and going
Speaker 1: back to wide receivers just really quickly before we take
Speaker 1: our next break, Cowboys have had five first round picks
Speaker 1: that have been wide receivers over the course of their franchise.
Speaker 1: Their best pick probably Michael Irvin in nineteen eighty eight,
Speaker 1: but their most recent pick was Dez Bryant. And those
Speaker 1: guys average pretty good players and two really good guys
Speaker 1: an average throughout those five picks six years with Dallas
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy eight receptions on average and over
Speaker 1: forty six hundred yards. So, I mean, you're getting a
Speaker 1: good guy at seventeen if you're able to pick at
Speaker 1: least historically a reiver. Amari's gonna be here for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one way or the other, whether it's by tag
Speaker 1: or extension. Michael Gallup really came on last year. It
Speaker 1: looks like a young star. They can both play everywhere.
Speaker 1: If you're drafting a receiver at seventeen, he's going to
Speaker 1: be able to do everything too. I mean, Jerry Judy
Speaker 1: can do whatever you want him too. And Jerry Judy's
Speaker 1: the one that on the outside he may slide because
Speaker 1: like when you look at him compared to some of
Speaker 1: the other guys, the other guys look like freak shows
Speaker 1: in terms of their speed and the way they look.
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you the best and most pro ready
Speaker 1: wide receiver is Jerry Judy. He can run all the routes.
Speaker 1: Haven't seen him since high school, having watched him at Alabama. Like,
Speaker 1: he's very, very unique in his ability to kind of
Speaker 1: get in and out of breaks, and so he followed
Speaker 1: behind Amari Cooper. The coaches there use a similar blueprint
Speaker 1: in terms of getting him ready. I think he is
Speaker 1: a ready made guy that you can drop into any
Speaker 1: offense and he can have all kinds of success if
Speaker 1: he's sitting there. You talk about the blinking light, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the blinking light that you have to proceed through,
Speaker 1: which I mean, it's not like a huge need. But
Speaker 1: if you told me they wound up with that, I'd
Speaker 1: be I'm sure Dak Prescott would be happy, pretty excited
Speaker 1: about one guy that kind of stuck out to me
Speaker 1: as a late round guy here in the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: Antonio Ganey Golden from Liberty. He looked, he looked pretty good.
Speaker 1: So maybe a guy that the Cowboys could look at
Speaker 1: round three, round four, if he's there at that point there,
Speaker 1: Like I we already said it, but like there's gonna
Speaker 1: be good receivers on the board, like all through this.
Speaker 1: So this this the great thing about this draft is like,
Speaker 1: I think you can take two. I don't think you're
Speaker 1: you're limited to say, oh, we're gonna feel the need
Speaker 1: with one. I think you can double up. And if
Speaker 1: you go back and you look at Mike McCarthy's history
Speaker 1: in Green Bay, even though he wasn't in control of
Speaker 1: the draft, they always would double up and take some
Speaker 1: of those late round guys and developed him. And the
Speaker 1: one thing that he is really good at is taking
Speaker 1: guys day two and lore and being able to get
Speaker 1: them on the field. That was kind of the model
Speaker 1: in Green Bay when he was there. I think he
Speaker 1: kind of understands how to fit those guys into the offense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and definitely interesting to look at as a surprise first
Speaker 1: round pick at seventeen. So that's gonna do it for
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Speaker 1: We've we've talked about some of these Twitter questions. We've
Speaker 1: talked about the Cowboys needs and some of the guys
Speaker 1: that stuck out to us in those needs for the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. But Bucky, I want to go back to
Speaker 1: something that maybe doesn't relate directly to the Senior Bowl. However,
Speaker 1: you can fill some of those needs with the players
Speaker 1: that are involved here. But you've come up with a blueprint,
Speaker 1: and in this blueprints it surrounds how to build a
Speaker 1: successful and championship franchise in the NFL. First, just kind
Speaker 1: of explain this blueprint in what it consists of. So
Speaker 1: when you think about building a championship roster, when you
Speaker 1: guys talk to Will McClay, they'll talk about their scouting system.
Speaker 1: A lot of times, the top guys on the board
Speaker 1: are called blues, blue chip players or whatever. So most
Speaker 1: championship teams are comprised of ten to twelve blue chip players,
Speaker 1: guys that rank within the top five top ten in
Speaker 1: the league. At their position, and so as you're building
Speaker 1: an ideal roster, you need to have a nice cord
Speaker 1: that has about twelve of those guys in there in
Speaker 1: those positions. You're talking about a quarterback, three offensive playmakers.
Speaker 1: They can be running backs, tied in white receivers, any
Speaker 1: combination of three, three solid offensive linemen that play at
Speaker 1: a high level. You need two pass rushers, and you
Speaker 1: need three defensive playmakers, whether it's linebackers, safeties, corners, you
Speaker 1: need a combination of three. If you have those twelve
Speaker 1: players on your roster, you have an opportunity to go.
Speaker 1: And we think about this year's Super Bowl when we
Speaker 1: tallied up the San Francisco forty nine US. San Francisco
Speaker 1: had like fifteen dudes. They got, they got more than
Speaker 1: they had, They had enough players. I mean, the cup
Speaker 1: ran over. And then even when you look at like
Speaker 1: some of those teams, like Kansas City is able to go,
Speaker 1: but they don't quite have everything, but the quarterback is
Speaker 1: so good that it makes up for it. So it's
Speaker 1: ideal to have twelve, but you can get away with
Speaker 1: like ten or eleven. But man, if you get twelve,
Speaker 1: it pretty much guarantees that you can be in the
Speaker 1: final four and you can have a chance to play
Speaker 1: in the in the final Well, let's piece this together
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. Yeah, raises the question about how far
Speaker 1: away the Cowboys. Let's see exactly how far the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are from from having that that blueprint kind of stand out.
Speaker 1: So quarterback, would we consider Dak Prescott that guy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I think I think you can put him in
Speaker 1: that mix. I think he's played at a high level
Speaker 1: um to be able to do it. It doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: mean when we're making that blueprint that the quarterback has
Speaker 1: to necessarily carry the squad, right, but when he has
Speaker 1: the things around him, can he play at a high level.
Speaker 1: We've seen him do that. Okay, So Ezekiel Elliott, offensive playmaker, Chang. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've got Amari Cooper, Chack Chang. Now who would be
Speaker 1: the third Would it be a Randall Cob, Michael Gallup.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna throw Jason Witten's name in there, not
Speaker 1: not anymore, not anymore anymore. So that would be the thing.
Speaker 1: Can Michael Gallup be a guy that can be the
Speaker 1: consider third weapon or do they need to go out
Speaker 1: and get another tight end or another playmaker? But somewhere there.
Speaker 1: I think you could say that maybe I love that
Speaker 1: is lacking. I love that you used consistency, because I
Speaker 1: mean Gallup had an eleven hundred yards season. He really,
Speaker 1: I mean he came on, but was not that consistent playmaker.
Speaker 1: He left plays on the field, notably against Philadelphia that
Speaker 1: might have gotten the Cowboys into the playoffs. Well, he
Speaker 1: wasn't a one B to Amar's one end on as
Speaker 1: enough basis two and that's what you need. So if
Speaker 1: you think about Zeke being the guy that you can count,
Speaker 1: obviously he played to that level. But now your two
Speaker 1: weapons of Maria Cooper has to play at that level consistently,
Speaker 1: and then you have to have someone else because typically
Speaker 1: if they take a Mariy Cooper where you want to
Speaker 1: be able to know that the other guy can do damage. Which,
Speaker 1: to answer your question, yes, they need to find a
Speaker 1: tight end. And I like during the break I realized,
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't really talk about that as an
Speaker 1: option at seventeen, probably because there isn't one. It is
Speaker 1: not it's not very top heavy tight end class. Right,
Speaker 1: There isn't a top heavy, but a thing once you
Speaker 1: get into the second round, there's some intriguing options. And um, look,
Speaker 1: Harrison Bryan, we've really talked about him. I talked about
Speaker 1: down here, the Dayton tight end. Yes he is. He
Speaker 1: is catching some eyes for anc has certainly come in
Speaker 1: and he's done some really good thing. Adam Troutman out
Speaker 1: of Dayton. If you're listening on good luck finding his tape.
Speaker 1: He played it. He played it Dayton. But ht no.
Speaker 1: But like and you know, a lot like Kyle Dugger,
Speaker 1: who we also talked about last night, you know, coming
Speaker 1: from a program like I mean, I know Dayton basketball,
Speaker 1: I didn't know they had a football program. And but
Speaker 1: he he has looked like he belongs out here. He
Speaker 1: does definitely doesn't look like a fish out of wall.
Speaker 1: He doesn't look like a fish out of wood. And
Speaker 1: when you talk to some people, there's some people that
Speaker 1: believe he might be the best one when it all
Speaker 1: comes down to it at the end of the process,
Speaker 1: that Adam Troutman may be the first tight end. So look,
Speaker 1: he's certainly done himself well by performing as the senior Bob.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's some tight ends. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's one. Where we talked about the seventeen second round,
Speaker 1: you do it, but regardless, it has to be a priority,
Speaker 1: like finding a tight end has to be a priority.
Speaker 1: And we don't know what's gonna happen with Whitton. Maybe
Speaker 1: he comes back. I kind of doubt it, but I
Speaker 1: just keep saying, like, even if he does, they gotta
Speaker 1: they gotta address the future. You talk about doing it
Speaker 1: a year two early, verse too late. It's been too
Speaker 1: late for a couple of years. Yeah. Well, and you
Speaker 1: made the point about Troutman being a fish out of water,
Speaker 1: no pun intended, But that's good. I didn't even think
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, Steven Sullivan from Elis, you looked good
Speaker 1: this week. I think Bryson Hopkins is a solid option.
Speaker 1: He needs to pick up the blocking of Sullivan, which
Speaker 1: again we talk about like how things are going to
Speaker 1: change under Mike McCarthy. Sullivan's a big slot like he
Speaker 1: I mean, it's sure, it's it's not really accurate to
Speaker 1: even call him a tight end. Forty five and he's
Speaker 1: got massive hand. That's like an instant no for the
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett Cowboys, right, But maybe Mike McCarthy sees differently.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they had Jimmy Graham for the
Speaker 1: longest time, like they don't always ask they're tight end
Speaker 1: to do as much of that well rounded stuff. So
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by the options that might be available to
Speaker 1: them because of this change and coaching staff. Yeah, they've
Speaker 1: they've done a few different things. When he was in
Speaker 1: Green Bay, at one point they had not only Jimmy Graham,
Speaker 1: but they had Lance Kendricks. Yeah, you know, then they
Speaker 1: had someone else who could be the traditional blocking tight end.
Speaker 1: I think what you want to do is you want
Speaker 1: to be able to have options so you can balance
Speaker 1: up the defense and attack them and very different ways. Well,
Speaker 1: the point that I was making was even with some
Speaker 1: of the guys that are at the Senior Bowls, some
Speaker 1: of the guys that are here in Mobile, there are
Speaker 1: late round tight end options. Sure it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be at seventeen, but you can find a playmaker and
Speaker 1: find one of those gems that could end up being
Speaker 1: a starting tight end this year or in the future. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's the big thing I think, and talking
Speaker 1: about the formula, like the Cowboys certainly need to address,
Speaker 1: like finding one other piece to the puzzle when it
Speaker 1: comes to the perimeter. Can they find someone that can
Speaker 1: be a difference maker impact player. Imagine if they had
Speaker 1: a guy that could impact the game, like Philadelphia Zach Ert,
Speaker 1: someone in the middle decking each other where you you
Speaker 1: have to begin to think about can we double team him.
Speaker 1: That's how you kind of have to put that standard.
Speaker 1: We need guys that demand a double team because if
Speaker 1: you get that to mean, someone else is going to benefit.
Speaker 1: When you look at the two teams in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: George Kittle, Travis Kells sretty good players, pretty solid tight end,
Speaker 1: neither one of which was the first round pick. I'll
Speaker 1: have you, I'll remind you so like that, Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: stick with the offense. Three offensive lineman Lyle Collins is
Speaker 1: in the mix. Now where do we put the rest
Speaker 1: of the offensive line because in the past it was
Speaker 1: check mark, Yeah, Smith, check Mark Frederick, check mark all
Speaker 1: over that offensive line. I'm interested for your you know,
Speaker 1: I want to see what you have to think. We're
Speaker 1: we're in the bubble, like we're we're yeah exactly, which
Speaker 1: I still think of the I mean I still think
Speaker 1: of Tyron Smith, Travis Frederick, and Zach Martin. Like that's
Speaker 1: check marks for me. Like I think I think Martin
Speaker 1: would be a check mark. Are I think I think
Speaker 1: Martin and Frederick are more check Marston Tyrone Smith at
Speaker 1: the point. Okay, I worry about Tyrone Smith a little
Speaker 1: bit in terms of like the durability and injury history,
Speaker 1: and there have been some games where he just hasn't
Speaker 1: looked the same and obviously injuries do that. Um, I
Speaker 1: still believe obviously we still have cited three offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: The offensive line is good. It wasn't. It's not as
Speaker 1: great as it once was. I think we get um
Speaker 1: kind of lured into thinking that the offensive line is
Speaker 1: what it was two or three years ago, and it's
Speaker 1: just not that. And so Dad has kind of impacted
Speaker 1: the ability to kind of dominate on offense. So what
Speaker 1: would we do, We would say, Martin, I still I
Speaker 1: think it's still still I think that so offensive line
Speaker 1: taking care of quarterbacks, taking care of an offensive three
Speaker 1: offensive playmakers. Tight end is probably the one spot on
Speaker 1: when he won one other spot, and you need Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup to continue to build. Yeah, so offense, we've got
Speaker 1: one player to look at in terms of filling those
Speaker 1: draft needs. Now, let's get to the defense out a
Speaker 1: little bit of a different story. Starting with the pass rush,
Speaker 1: We've got d Law in the Pass Rush. Where else
Speaker 1: do we go here? I don't know, man, because it's
Speaker 1: kind of hard to count on Robert Quinn being a
Speaker 1: guy that can do it, Like he's he's an older guy.
Speaker 1: If anything, he's he's a descending player, like he's not
Speaker 1: going to play science him as well. Yeah. So so
Speaker 1: then as you looking at their front, like who else,
Speaker 1: um are guys that you scare? Who else is available
Speaker 1: to to think about? That's that's you're You're done. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, no shade intended to Malie Collins,
Speaker 1: He's been fine, He's deaf. I mean, he's not what
Speaker 1: you're describing. And on top of that, he doesn't have
Speaker 1: a contract right now anyway. Yeah. So, and I mean
Speaker 1: when you get through that, and that's I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the problem is right now it's DeMarcus Lawrence and Tumbleweeds.
Speaker 1: Yeah and so and so so Now where does that
Speaker 1: where does that guy come from? So now when we're
Speaker 1: thinking about retooling and redoing this thing, I mean, do
Speaker 1: they even go all the way outside and find an
Speaker 1: edge player because we kind of talked about interior players
Speaker 1: when we talked about uh Ken Law and Derek Brown
Speaker 1: and all those guys. But is there an edge player
Speaker 1: that can come in and give them what they want,
Speaker 1: that that can give them to kind of sack production
Speaker 1: double digit sacks off the edge that can play You
Speaker 1: would know, you would know better than me. But like my,
Speaker 1: you know, diving into this draft class, I'm not convinced
Speaker 1: the value is there, at least not in the first round. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: it's tough. So you're talking about Ajum being in that consideration,
Speaker 1: but like, I don't know, like seventeen, he can kind
Speaker 1: of be there. Uh, but I don't And and I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to dog the guy. He doesn't strike me
Speaker 1: as like that right end that's just gonna zip around
Speaker 1: And he's kind yeah, yeah, he's kind of like he's
Speaker 1: kind of what I call I think I've wrote done
Speaker 1: in my nose. He's a worker bee, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like, he's a worker bee. He plays hard,
Speaker 1: he kind of gives you some production. Maybe he can
Speaker 1: give you up to ten sex, but I don't think
Speaker 1: he's the guy that's going to give you look ten
Speaker 1: twelve consistently. Um, there's Calavan chasing from LSU. Who's who's interesting?
Speaker 1: I wonder how light he is compared to what they
Speaker 1: would want on the edges, because he's kind of like
Speaker 1: you're talking about twenty five fifty pounds, Like, are you
Speaker 1: moving around? He has speed, he has first step quickness,
Speaker 1: he has all that stuff where he can play off
Speaker 1: games and stunts. But can he give you that consist
Speaker 1: in production off the edge. He's intriguing. I just don't
Speaker 1: know until we kind of get a feel for what
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan wants on defense. That's it's hard to plug
Speaker 1: him intore. I went to LSU, so I think the
Speaker 1: world of Caleban. But if the Cowboys are interested in him,
Speaker 1: that says something very specific to me, because like he
Speaker 1: really strikes you as more of a three four guy, yeah,
Speaker 1: and as as opposed to this big down lineman that's
Speaker 1: going to do that type of work. And if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are interested in him, I just think it sends
Speaker 1: a signal about what they might be looking for for
Speaker 1: the future of their full scale shift in terms of
Speaker 1: what they're looking looking for whatever. There's a kid that
Speaker 1: is another classman that came out, Curtis Weaver from Boise State.
Speaker 1: But once again we talked about these are these edge
Speaker 1: rushers that are these three four types to kind of
Speaker 1: stand up sixty three twenty sixty five pounds. He broke
Speaker 1: the Mountain West record in sacks. He had thirty four
Speaker 1: in a three year career. Cowboys love their boysy guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: excellent first step, quickness, does a great job getting off
Speaker 1: to his and you're right, like because they've had success
Speaker 1: Tymark Crawford and some of the other guys like those
Speaker 1: guys have come from there and play with LVEE. So
Speaker 1: he certainly is a guy that could be in that conversation.
Speaker 1: But I do wonder and two we kind of get
Speaker 1: a true feel for what they want to do on
Speaker 1: the defensive side. It's gonna make it hard. And then
Speaker 1: I wanted to pull up the kid from Penn State. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Weaver had thirteen and a half sacks's
Speaker 1: junior season and to go along with the thirty four
Speaker 1: that he had in his first three years or three
Speaker 1: years starter at Boise State. I mean, he's got a
Speaker 1: got quite a bit the resume to work with that
Speaker 1: that that is definitely a name though, Man, I don't
Speaker 1: want to Jader Grossmato, Yeah, Jada Grossmatos, And I think
Speaker 1: I think the thing with him, like he's long ranging,
Speaker 1: I wrote in my nose he kind of reminds me
Speaker 1: of Jason Pierre Paul. Like Jason Pierre Paul when he
Speaker 1: first came out of South Florida, he was long, he
Speaker 1: was still trying to figure it out. But he has
Speaker 1: some traits that are intriguing. His first dep quitting is
Speaker 1: his length. His ability to play with his hands. Uh,
Speaker 1: could be intriguing. But once again, until we get a
Speaker 1: real feel for what Mike Nolan and those guys want
Speaker 1: to take and let the cat out the bag, then
Speaker 1: we can begin to project. Okay, here's where these guys fit,
Speaker 1: and here's where they fit on the board where the
Speaker 1: Cowboys can get them. Would you be selling high on
Speaker 1: both of those guys? I mean it kind of seems
Speaker 1: like the consensus has been kind of back in first round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think back in first round. So then what
Speaker 1: you have to do is you have to make a
Speaker 1: decision if you're Cowboys. Okay, I'm sitting there seventeen, how
Speaker 1: much do we love the guy? Do we want to
Speaker 1: get cute and play around the board and drop down
Speaker 1: into the twenties where people to talk about the value
Speaker 1: is right? Or do we just like him and we're
Speaker 1: just gonna roll the dice whether the outside noise says
Speaker 1: that he's a good fit for us and not. That's
Speaker 1: interesting to look at it because there is an option
Speaker 1: at seventeen to trade back and stay within the first round.
Speaker 1: And if you're able to stay within the first round,
Speaker 1: you could pick up a second or that's a round pick.
Speaker 1: And with the amount of options and holes that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys need to fill on defense, well then and so
Speaker 1: when you think about the trade back scenario, what you
Speaker 1: want to do is you want to envision, Okay, if
Speaker 1: we move back into the twenties, are there multiple players
Speaker 1: that we would take at twenty five or at twenty seven.
Speaker 1: And so we talked about the various needs. So we
Speaker 1: talked about safety, We talked about wide receiver. We've talked
Speaker 1: about somewhere along the defensive front. As we know, if
Speaker 1: they get stuck there a million wide receiver, so they
Speaker 1: always could fall back into take a wide receiver. If
Speaker 1: we really look at where the safeties will be graded,
Speaker 1: the safeties will probably come in and the twenties where
Speaker 1: the grades are all said and done. So I think
Speaker 1: there are multiple scenarios where the Cowboys could honestly look
Speaker 1: and say, look at seventeen, we could fall back. Let's
Speaker 1: not fall all the way out the first round, but
Speaker 1: let's fall back and we will get a player that
Speaker 1: we like, and we may also get an additional two
Speaker 1: or three in terms of day two picks, where we
Speaker 1: can find another player like the tied end, like another
Speaker 1: corner or something that can kind of help us do
Speaker 1: what we want to do. Man's that's fun to think
Speaker 1: about the trade scenarios. Give me, give me all the pass.
Speaker 1: Lets try and load up a little bit here. So
Speaker 1: we we've determined that we have the one pass rushing piece, yeah,
Speaker 1: and we need an yeah, preferably two more. Honestly, yeah,
Speaker 1: you would like to have two more. But let's go
Speaker 1: with three playmakers on defense to round out this this
Speaker 1: blueprint for a championship team. Three players on defense. Who
Speaker 1: do we got? Now? Who you could check that off? Well?
Speaker 1: I think the linebackers. I think it has to be
Speaker 1: Smith and LVU. Like obviously Lu you worry about the
Speaker 1: net concern and can come back if he comes back,
Speaker 1: I mean, he proved in this rookie season, like when
Speaker 1: when he and Smith were playing at a high level,
Speaker 1: like Dallas's defense was dominant. And so those are the
Speaker 1: two playmakers that I would check in. I don't know
Speaker 1: who that guy is in the back end. Like for
Speaker 1: all of the things people would talk about Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he played to that level where
Speaker 1: you could put him in that conversation as like a
Speaker 1: top five quest. I would argue this year that he
Speaker 1: did not. You know, and then as safety, we we
Speaker 1: we've talked about the struggles at safety, and so it
Speaker 1: tells you that one other piece is needed, one of
Speaker 1: the secondary piece is needed, and whether that's at corner,
Speaker 1: whether that's at safety, UM, it has to be addressed
Speaker 1: for this team to kind of complete it. It's an
Speaker 1: interesting conversation. I feel, I feel dumb saying, and Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith is at the Pro Bowl right now, but I
Speaker 1: think most people would agree he took a step back
Speaker 1: in his second season as a starter. Yeah, well third technically,
Speaker 1: but and it sounds weird to say, but I think
Speaker 1: if Mike Nolan can get and he's a linebacker specialist,
Speaker 1: if he can get a more consistent level of play
Speaker 1: out of him. The word playmaker's funny for Byron because
Speaker 1: I think he's a great corner. He does not make plays,
Speaker 1: and yeah, and their interception, and there's something too that
Speaker 1: like it depends on what you really want at the position.
Speaker 1: He's a Catholic like great athlete, great size, great speed,
Speaker 1: great leaping ability. But then ball skills come into it
Speaker 1: um as you know, because you guys kind of frowned
Speaker 1: upon the low number of turnovers that have he kind
Speaker 1: of existed of late. The teams they win, they win
Speaker 1: to turnover about him. They dominate turnovers. And now there's
Speaker 1: some randomness to creating turnovers. But one thing that typically happens,
Speaker 1: if you want to create turnovers, you have to get
Speaker 1: guys who have a proven trek record of snagging the
Speaker 1: ball all in the back end. So when you go
Speaker 1: and you look at their college stats, do they have
Speaker 1: double digit interceptions, do they have multiple seasons of significant
Speaker 1: number of interceptions? Do they have the guys that have
Speaker 1: baseball in their background so they can judge balls, and
Speaker 1: then the total team speed. Faster teams typically produce takeaways
Speaker 1: because they run to the ball. When you get a
Speaker 1: number of hats on the ball, the ball tends to
Speaker 1: fall out and then people pick it up and so
Speaker 1: turnovers will be an emphasis, and I know they have
Speaker 1: to find the right kind of players that can create those.
Speaker 1: So looking at the blueprint from Bucky Brooks himself, what
Speaker 1: are the needs tight end, defensive line, secondary, no big surprise, safety, safety, cornerback,
Speaker 1: tight end, d tackle, defensive end. Yeah, let's get that.
Speaker 1: Let's do that trade back and make this thing easier
Speaker 1: on ourselves. Let's just cover all of our bases. But Bucky,
Speaker 1: we do want to thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 1: It's been a ton of fun talking some draft with you.
Speaker 1: We look forward to speaking with you in the future
Speaker 1: as well. Thank you so much over the course of
Speaker 1: the draft process. Good luck and safe travels back to
Speaker 1: the West Coast. It'll be fun talking to you, man.
Speaker 1: That was good. It was fun. It was fun chopping
Speaker 1: out what you guys about the Cowboys and Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: in the draft. Yeah. Man, And we'll be back with
Speaker 1: Jeff Cavanaugh and Kevin Turner next week Thursday at eleven o'clock.
Speaker 1: We'll dive into what we saw during the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: We're also going to start diving into some of the
Speaker 1: guys who were not here in Mobile, Alabama. As we
Speaker 1: continue to lead you up to the twenty twenty NFL
Speaker 1: Draft to start and look ahead to the combine, which
Speaker 1: is kind of interesting as well. I mean the fact
Speaker 1: that the combine is right around the corner butt for
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, for Dave Hellman and the rest of our crew.
Speaker 1: Here from Mobile, Alabama, I'm Kyle Yeoman, signing off for
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