1 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. He's the Dallas Cowboys 3 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: dot Com Draft Show, your war room for incenter news 4 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: and draft analysis. Dallas Smith running back from Florida. Ninety 5 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: one days until the NFL Draft in Las Vegas, Nevada. 6 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: But we are live the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft 7 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: Show in Mobile, Alabama and the twenty twenty Reese's Senior Bowl. 8 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: As we are glad to bring you all the coverage 9 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: for the Senior Bowl here this season alongside the great 10 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: David Hellman and our special guest today, mister Bucky Brooks. 11 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeoman's and Bucky. Welcome to the table and 12 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: welcome aboard, sir. We are decited to talk some draft 13 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: with a former NFL player, former NFL scouting now with 14 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: the NFL Network and Fox. You're you're all over the place. 15 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: You have your your hand in almost every cookie jar, 16 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: but one of the big cookie jars is the NFL Draft, 17 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: and I know you're just as excited as we are. Yeah, 18 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: I am excited. I'm excited. You guys do a great job, 19 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: so I'm excited to just kind of be a part 20 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: of it, and it's gonna be fun to kind of 21 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: dive into this Senior Bowl. And also some Cowboys talk 22 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: as well. I know you and I on the car 23 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: ride over here, we're even talking a little bit of 24 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys and we'll hit plenty of those twitter 25 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: on the twenty coming up in just a little bit. 26 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: And then also we're gonna look through your blueprint to 27 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: have a successful franchise in the NFL, building through the draft, 28 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: and we'll hit that up in our final segment, and 29 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: that's gonna be cool to look at and see exactly 30 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: where the Cowboys stand in terms of those needs and 31 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: those different blueprints that will will look at as well. 32 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: But wanted to start off with the Senior Bowl and 33 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: with it in mobile and Dave and I've been running around. 34 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: We've been on opposite sides of the stadium and different 35 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: It's always a hectic week man, different tasks at hand, 36 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: but all of us kind of having some of these 37 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: same players stick out to us and some of these 38 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 1: same guys kind of impressed us over the course of 39 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: the week. So starting off with the general look of 40 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: the week, who stood out to you overall, and we'll 41 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: start with you, Buck, I think the best player that 42 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: has been in the building has been Javonn. Ken Law 43 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: from South Carolina. I think when you look at a 44 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: big man six six three ten who is able to 45 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: kind of dominate and control the point of attack, you 46 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: have to like those things in a league where it's 47 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: becoming more important than ever to be able to dominate 48 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. Ken Law has shown that 49 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: when you look at his length, you look at his side, 50 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: you look at his versatility. I think sometimes when you 51 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: look at the South Carolina tape you see him play 52 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: over the center, but down here, when he's been able 53 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: to play over guards, over tackles and kind of envisioning 54 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: him being a piece of a three four defense, you 55 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: can see where he could be a dominant force. To me, 56 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: he has been one of the most impressive, if not 57 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: demo impressive player down here. I think that's really It's 58 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: an interesting dichotomy too, because it goes to show, you know, 59 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: it's only two or three practices and it came out 60 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: this morning. Ken Law's done for the week anyway, so 61 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: two practices, but it goes on to make a huge 62 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: difference in the evaluation because I think, and I don't 63 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: mean to knock any of these guys, but I think 64 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: the other really dominant storyline is the guys who didn't participate. 65 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: You know, it was almost unprecedented how many guys were 66 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: flagged at the beginning of the week. Brandon Hyuk, Christian 67 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 1: Fulton pulled out, you know, the day that everybody got doutomobile. 68 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: So I think you probably came down here with five 69 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: or six first round caliber guys, maybe a little bit more. 70 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: But a lot of those guys aren't doing anything. And 71 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: I think Ken Law benefits from the fact that he 72 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: was out there being evaluated by all the scouts. Yeah, 73 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: you do benefit when you show up because now you 74 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: get an opportunity to kind of make a first impression. 75 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: So the way that this would typically go, area scouts 76 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: have seen him, whoever was responsible for the Southeast, they've 77 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: seen him, but the director may not have seen him. 78 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: Digitiman and you certainly may not have gone into South 79 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: Carolina and done the school call. And then all the 80 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: other scouts and then the coaches are just becoming a 81 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: part of the process. So this is their first impression. 82 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: And so if you show up and show out very 83 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: very early in the Senior Bowl. You now kind of 84 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: have this favorable impression that you left on guys. So 85 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: then when you go back into draft meetings, you have 86 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: these people that are advocating for you, just based off 87 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: that quick snapshot, what's this week like for area scouts? Like, 88 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: I mean, if that's your area, You've known about Javon 89 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: ken Law for a long time, but you mentioned you know, 90 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: the GM is looking at him this week, like maybe 91 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: these guys are like crossing their fingers like, yeah, man, 92 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: make me look smart this week. You know, there's a 93 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: lot of that, like you kind of on egshells a 94 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: little bit. For the guys that you really really like, 95 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: you you want to see them kind of play to 96 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: the level that you believe that they played at when 97 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: you went in on the school call. And so while 98 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: you're here, you're looking at those guys and you're trying 99 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: to kind of keep a clean slate in terms of like, look, 100 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: sometimes when you go into fall, your grade may not 101 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: necessarily reflect how they perform here, and so you're trying 102 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: to see do they perform to that level? Do they 103 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: perform better than the level was I off a little 104 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: bit when I saw him? Meaning maybe I graded him 105 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: too high based on what he's done. These All Star 106 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: games shouldn't hurt the prospect, but what it should do 107 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: is force you to either confirm your original opinion or 108 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: to make you go back and watch the take to 109 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: make sure that you get them right. I actually heard 110 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: a really I overheard a really great line in the 111 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: press box yesterday watching practice. Somebody was like, Oh, I 112 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: don't even look at the roster during the week because 113 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: I don't want the guys. I like, you know, I 114 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: don't want to be hunting for the guys. I like, like, 115 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: I just write the numbers down and go from there 116 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: and cross check later because I don't want to be 117 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: biased in what I'm wanting. And there's something too that, 118 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: like there's something to confirmation bias, like kind of seeing 119 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: what you want to see when it comes to it. 120 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: And I think was always interesting about the entire evaluation process. 121 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: Even when you get to All Star games, you and 122 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: I can sit side by side and we can watch 123 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: a player performer, we can have two completely different opinions 124 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: and takes, and so it's one of those things where 125 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But what 126 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: you're trying to do here is trying to take the 127 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: players that you see working in a pro system and 128 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: imagine what those players would look like in ust system 129 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: because the most important part of the process is fit 130 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: in scheme. How does this player fit in the scheme 131 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: that we run, because that's when you see players really 132 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: elevated because their perfect fits in the scheme well. And 133 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: that kind of translates back to Mike McCarthy and what 134 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: he said earlier in his tenure, right after he got hired, saying, hey, 135 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: we're not really looking at schemes right now. And even 136 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: Stephen Jones echoed that the other day when he talked 137 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: to the media saying, Hey, we're gonna look at getting 138 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: the best guys. We're gonna look at getting some talented 139 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: guys to put on the scown Boys roster, whether it 140 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: be through the draft or be through free agency. But 141 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: as a scout, and we continue talking about the scouting 142 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: side of things, how tough is that to say, hey, 143 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: we don't necessarily have that system fit, but we're going 144 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: for talent overall, even though talent in fit kind of 145 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: go hand in hand. They go hand in hand. So 146 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: there are two ways that you can approach it. From 147 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: the personnel standpoint. There's the way that we talked about 148 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: where fit in scheme, where the general manager or whoever's 149 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: in charge, they kind of said, Okay, here are the 150 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: players that we like, here's the profile, the length, the traits, 151 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: here's the system that we play. We need these kind 152 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: of guys to fit how we play. Then the other 153 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: thing is, hey, bring me the talent and we will 154 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: fit the system around what they do. So go and 155 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: get the most talented players. Go get really good football 156 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: players who are productive, who are performers, don't worry about 157 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: the traits, so to speak, and then we will take them. 158 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: We will get them on on campus, and then once 159 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: we figure out what they do well, we will slowly 160 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: begin to build a system around them. There are two 161 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: different ways to do it. It really depends on the 162 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: best way for your coach and what he's most comfortable doing, 163 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: which I'm you know, we talked about it earlier this week, 164 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: like I'm dying to know what that's gonna look like, 165 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 1: because like we had, you know, under Rod Marinelli seven 166 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: years of doing this, we kind of we had the blueprint. 167 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: We're like, Okay, he's gonna go after this style of 168 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: pass rusher doesn't like to spend big resources on nose tackles. Uh, 169 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, you got to have this arm length to 170 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: play cornerback in his system, all that type of stuff, 171 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: And we're kind of starting from scratch, which we talked 172 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: to Will McClay yesterday. He really doesn't like to like 173 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: give out too much. Unfortunately. By the one thing I 174 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: did notice, and I think Will has done two or 175 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: three interviews since the season ended, he mentioned, you know, 176 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: bulking up in the interior. He's mentioned that a couple 177 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: of times across a couple of different interviews. So again, 178 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: like starting to piece it together, maybe Mike McCarthy wants 179 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: to get a little bit beefier. You know, Rod's kind 180 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: of known for those undersized defensive tackles. But as we 181 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: go along, I'm dying to know, you know, what are 182 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: these archetypes that you're looking for, because I mean, they 183 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: don't want to admit it, but at some point you 184 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: are right, I mean you're not. I think the best 185 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: way that you can do is just track the history 186 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: of the de coordinator. So if you track the history 187 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: of Mike Nolan, Mike Nolan typically has been a three 188 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: four defensive guy. When you have a three to four, 189 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: your guys on the inside like your nose tackling. You're 190 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: they still called defense vans, but are really defensive backs. 191 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: They're bigger, they're longer. They have to be able to 192 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: two gap. In most of those three four systems, your 193 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: outside rushers, your outside players can be fast and explosive. 194 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: One gap may need to be a dropper to other 195 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 1: guy as a primary pass rusher. But it's a little 196 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: different when they just talk about wanting to be bigger. 197 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: For Rod and Marinellie's system, he wanted to be able 198 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: to one gap penetrate like the guy who is kind 199 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 1: of like the goal standard for interior attackers for him 200 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: would be a Warren Sap. So when you go all 201 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: the way back and think about how Warren Sapp played, 202 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: it was quickness off the ball, quick penetration, being able 203 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: to be on the other side of the line of 204 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: scrimmage with your athleticism. Well, now when you're moving potentially 205 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: to a three four system, is can I occupy two blockers? 206 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: So now my linebackers become two stars. Can my linebackers 207 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: run and chase? And so you will see the bulk 208 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: of the team up front change because linebackers typically will 209 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: get beef here because they may have to take on 210 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: more blockers than they're normally used to. Your interior guys 211 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: have to occupy two blockers, so you need a little 212 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: more size and growth to be able to kind of 213 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: hold the point, and so it will change. It'd be 214 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: interesting to see how quickly you can change that defensive 215 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: line up. Well, I know we've talked about before Jalen 216 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: Smith as a linebacker kind of plays better going downhill, 217 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: and I might fit better into that system the way 218 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: that he could. Then. Now, like you said, he might 219 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: have to bulk up a little bit to shed off 220 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: some of those tacklers. But you mentioned the beef in 221 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: terms of this draft, there's plenty of it to go 222 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: around in the middle of the middle of the defensive 223 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: line you talk about, I mean, just divine kin Law 224 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: already a Cowboys fans starting to kind of fall in 225 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: love a little bit with kin Law. However, the last 226 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: time that the Cowboys took a defensive tackle in the 227 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: draft nineteen ninety one, Yeah, Russell Men Maryland. So it's 228 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: been quite a while since the Cowboys have actually gone 229 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: to interior defensive lineman in the first round. Of a draft. However, 230 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: there are some guys kind of later in the pack, 231 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: later in the draft that you could potentially look to 232 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: to fill that role. Another one that might be here 233 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: is Neville Gallimore. What did you see out of the 234 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: Oklahoma defensive tackle this week and did he impress you 235 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: at all in the middle of that d line. You know, 236 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: I really liked him coming into the game when you 237 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: watched him middle Oklahoma. I think you liked his athleticism. 238 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: I think you liked the way that he was able 239 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: to penetrate very very light. You're talking about a Canadian 240 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: born player, a guy who really was a basketball player 241 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: into a very very late stage in terms of playing football. 242 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: So when you look at his footwork, his athleticism, his 243 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: movement skills, you definitely like that. In terms of being 244 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: kind of like a stacking ship, like an old school guy, 245 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: he's not necessarily that, but at Oklahoma you see him 246 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: play and make plays what we call from tackle tackle. 247 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: His ability to pursue from the backside is something that 248 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: is a little unique for a defensive tackle. So I 249 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: really like him and I think he is going to 250 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: be a guy maybe not in that first round conversation, 251 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: but in the second round you can kind of see 252 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: where he kind of fits in. I think one of 253 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: the things that stuck out to me this week was 254 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: the way that he used his hands. I mean, some 255 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: of those one on one drills he just had just big, 256 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 1: meaty hands. First off, I mean, those things are those 257 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: things pack a punch in its own, But just the 258 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: way that he was able to kind of finish and 259 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: get off the ball, I think was it was definitely 260 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: something to look forward to. And something that really stood 261 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: out to me was something that I didn't see on film. 262 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: And you saw the lateral ability on film, and that's 263 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: where really what I saw note wise, But I think 264 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: this week the hands were really and I think the 265 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: most important thing when you when you're looking at those 266 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: guys up front, and you heard him even on the 267 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: practice field hands inside. Friz Shermer, who was decordinated for 268 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: a Green Bay a long time ago when I was 269 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: playing there, he always talked about guys have to play 270 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: with their hands first. So when you're looking at a 271 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: defensive lineman, do they get their hands up and off 272 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: and can they get inside because whoever gets inside first 273 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: controls the down. And so when I look at Gallimore 274 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: Gallimore does have the ability to put his hands inside. 275 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: He does have the ability to kind of stack and 276 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: ship and kind of move. And then with the lateral quickness, 277 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy who certainly can be an 278 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: into your run stuffer. Which okay, Gallimore, but I love 279 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: it when experts make me feel smart. Which we didn't 280 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: prompt you into this. But all day yesterday I'm watching 281 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: this number fifty five from North Carolina, Jason Jason Strowbridge, 282 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there debating with myself. I'm like, Okay, 283 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: this guy is killing people. But am I just watching 284 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: him because like he's got this Carolina blue helmet, Carolina blue, 285 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: you know, cleats just jumping off the field. But I 286 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: thought he looked really impressive. He had great hands, he 287 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: had great quickness. I was impressed that it seemed like 288 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: in addition to being able to overpower people, he was 289 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: able to get around him. Like he looked like he 290 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: had pass rush moves. Then we come down and film 291 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: our post practice hit with you, and that's who you 292 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about too, So give me let me 293 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: he's a Chapel Hill guy, I am. So. The funny 294 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: thing is when you watched him doing a regular season. 295 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone could predict he played more outside. 296 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: You can see it. They were okay on defense, not 297 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: necessarily dominant. But right now you talk about six five five, 298 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: two hundred and ninety pounds, the limp that you see 299 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: his ability to play with his hands. It's really important 300 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: because if you can play with your hands from a 301 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: technical standpoint, regardless of size, you always have an opportunity 302 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: to win. And what you see with him is because 303 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: he's able to play with his hands, he plays on 304 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: the other side of the line of scrammers. He quickly 305 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: disengages and gets into plays. And then when you combine 306 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: hand skills with a high revend motor, then you become 307 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: you begin to get a disruptive player. And we're begin 308 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: to see flashes of him disrupt things in nine on 309 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: seven and team drill. So the very very promising I 310 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: think when you talk about day two, what you're looking at, 311 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: you're looking at a guy with traits who has the 312 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: toughness and the motor to be a guy that can 313 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: play down in and down out. And he certainly has 314 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: shown that. Man. With the prospects of Gallimore and then 315 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: Strowbridge potentially being Day two guys. There's a lot of 316 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: options for the Cowboys even if they wanted to go 317 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: secondary in that first round. I know a lot of 318 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: Cowboys fans are already set on your guy from LSU, 319 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: Grant Delpit, and you mentioned some of the guys that 320 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: weren't there over the course of the week, Ashton Davis 321 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: Christian Fulton. Those are two guys that I know Cowboys 322 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: fans really want to get a good look at throughout 323 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, and now they'll get their chance down 324 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: the road. Another guy that I know I wanted to 325 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: look at was lek A Foe two. Yeah, I'm Leaky 326 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: Foe two. That's another that first one, but he was 327 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: inactive over the course. He still stayed in a jersey 328 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: and was walking around on the sidelines. But a big 329 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: guy out of Utah on that defensive line that I 330 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: really wanted to look at as well. Yeah, the thing 331 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: that you talked about, like when you talk about lak 332 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: A six five, three thirty five pounds and so as 333 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: you're envisioning this Cowboys defense, potentially change height and length 334 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: is really important. And it's important because those interior defenders 335 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: are now being asked to occupy double team blocks at 336 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: the point of attack, and so you need to have 337 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: the length to be able to stab one off while 338 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: you're holding the other. Can you throw your hip in 339 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: the gap and do those things? And so it's the 340 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: combination of the long arms with the size that allows 341 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: them to stay because if they can occupy two blockers, 342 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: now you have LV and Jenny Smith being able to 343 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: run and chase freely. That's when the big place happened 344 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: on defense, which and that's was going to bring that 345 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: up when you mentioned Mike Nolan. Is you know Mike 346 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: McCarthy said last week and he was not very firm 347 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: on this commitment, but it sounds like they want to 348 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: have four down lineman at least for this year. Even 349 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: still with the resources that you've sunk into those linebackers, 350 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: it only makes sense that you want to free them up. 351 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: It seemed like they had problems with that this year, 352 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: and I'd be willing to beat a decent chunk of 353 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: that is the lack of bulk they had in front 354 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, So now the thing about the three 355 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: four and the fourth three is all semantics like Mike 356 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: Nolan can take that defense and he can basically make 357 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: a four three play like a three four. Like one 358 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: of those defensive ends will be called a leo or 359 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: a lion or elephant or whatever you want to call it, 360 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: and he'll in essence be the fourth outside linebacker and 361 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: the other guys would be your other traditional linebackers, and 362 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: then they'll play like an over or over front, and 363 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: they'll move those guys up and down the line to 364 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: kind of get some advantages so those guys can stay 365 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: off and run in chase, and so as they begin 366 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: to tinker with it regards of whether it's a four 367 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: three or three four paper, they will align to players 368 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: in a position where Jalen Smith and Vanda esh are 369 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: able to run and chase. Because when you really look 370 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: at their team, the speed from those two linebackers are 371 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: probably the best asset of the defense at the second level. 372 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: They can run and chase, and when they're playing at 373 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: their best man, they create a lot of chaos and 374 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: have you want to freedom up to do what they 375 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: do and be able to fly around the football and 376 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: make some plays, force some turnovers, which, of course, like 377 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: as we've seen in the past, it's been a little 378 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: bit of a buggaboo for the Boys slightly, just a 379 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: slight buggaboo to force the turnovers. 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Absolutely got a pause for the little 425 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: bit of that drop in the middle of there. I 426 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: know that's going to be in there like last week. 427 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to talk right back over that. But 428 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: we're getting there. Yeah, Yeah, we're getting there. We'll get 429 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: it right at some point. However, one of our favorite 430 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: segments just because we get to hear from the fans 431 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: and here directly the questions that they have for us. 432 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: And we'll start things off with our boy Matt, who's 433 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: always been very active with us on Twitter, asking us 434 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: do you see more guys going the Nick Bosa route? 435 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: Of course, Bosa and his forty nine ers going into 436 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: the going into the Super Bowl and here in a 437 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: couple of weeks and not playing their final year and 438 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: then simply training for the NFL. Or is this something 439 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: that he just could do because his brother was already 440 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Kind of an interesting discussion going back 441 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: and forth. Well, it's interesting discussion. But he didn't start 442 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: out the season saying that he was going to train. 443 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: He's suffering an injury, and then he made a decision, 444 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: a business decision, rather than try and fight to come back. 445 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna just start working on training, make sure I 446 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: get really healthy so I can show scouts an evaluate 447 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,959 Speaker 1: because I think we have seen some of that trend 448 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: where guys are beginning to kind of way the fortunes 449 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: way that kind of the future over whether they should 450 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: play with their team. We've seen more guys sit out 451 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: Bowl games more than ever. So as we see more 452 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: guys do that, and as the public becomes increasingly more 453 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: comfortable with guys doing that, I think we will see 454 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: some guys begin to kind of sit out if they 455 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: suffer an injury. Yeah, I think the injury is the 456 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: big thing, and honestly, it seems a little overblown to me. Yeah, 457 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: Bosa was dealing with a pretty severe injury. He tried 458 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: to gut it through a couple of weeks realize it 459 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: probably wasn't the best idea. Leonard Fournette is another famous example, 460 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: but he was I mean, he was hindered by an 461 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: ankle injury for most of that season, and most of 462 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: those guys that have done that are I mean, it 463 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: was only what three weeks ago. Alabama is absolutely loaded 464 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: with draft talent, and the vast majority of those guys 465 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: played in a non playoff bowl game. Yeah, and I 466 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: think I think that's I think that's interesting. So some 467 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: of it will speak to the competitiveness of the individual 468 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: and the bond and the connection that he has with 469 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: the team in the university, and how he feels like 470 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: he should kind of uphold his end of the obligation. 471 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: But I can't fall guys from making business decisions. However, 472 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: I think most scouts would tell you that they would 473 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: preferred to see guys kind of play it to the end. 474 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: How much does that also kind of play a factor 475 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: into the coaching staff in the colleges, in the programs 476 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: down there? I mean Nick Saban, of course, you know 477 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: what he brings to the table in terms of the 478 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: connections and the knowledge that he's able to share with 479 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: his players. Maybe is that a reason why they continue 480 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: to compete even in the bowl games like this Interest Bowl. Yeah, 481 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: I mean I think it may have something to do 482 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 1: with that. I mean, obviously you always want to get 483 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: a good word of recommendation, and I think because Nick 484 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: Saban carries so much clout and cass when it comes 485 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: to his word and reputation in NFL circles, certainly you 486 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: want to leave on the right note. But I think 487 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: each player has to make an individual decision to see 488 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: what is best for them. But even sitting out doesn't 489 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: necessarily guarantee that they're going to what they think they're 490 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: going to get when it comes to draft A And 491 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: that was going to be my next question was what's 492 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: a negative side of that? I know, the positives or 493 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 1: you avoid injury, you're able to train and get your 494 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: body ready for the war that the NFL does have 495 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: coming up, But what are the negative signs of that? Well, 496 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: I mean football is a developmental game and you only 497 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: get better by getting reps, and you have to play 498 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: to become a better player. It's not like basketball where 499 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: you can just kind of sit in a silo in 500 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: the gym and kind of work on your game without competition. 501 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: Football you need competition to kind of hone your skills, 502 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: and so the negative side would be you kind of 503 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: stunt some of your development by not playing, and you 504 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: can't simulate what takes on what takes place on the 505 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: football field and training workouts, like you just can't do it. 506 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: We've seen guys like, I mean, we saw Zeke like 507 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: Zeke be awade and come back like it's just not 508 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: the same when you train on you know, you have 509 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: to play football to become a really good football player. 510 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: And that's why I mean between between the not only that, 511 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: like you need the reps, practice and games, and then 512 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: the story line that it becomes, whether it's media, whether 513 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,719 Speaker 1: it's you know, I mean everybody that interviews you at 514 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: the combine, all through the process is going to want 515 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: to know about that. I think the vast majority of 516 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: guys just won't think it's worth it, Like you said, 517 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: unless there's an injury concern. Yeah, if there's an injury concern, 518 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: yes you can see it. But in terms of hey, 519 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm gonna play my first two years and 520 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit up my third geen go into the draft, 521 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: I just don't know how that work. And I also 522 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: like when you're away, you allow other people to potentially 523 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: jump to the front of the line, like we won't, 524 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: we won't have this conversation. But let's just think about 525 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: to a tongue about Loa and how he was the 526 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: presumptive number one pick at quarterback. Well, he kind of 527 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: falls apart because he has an injury. He kind of 528 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: phades the black. Joe Burrow continues to play, and the 529 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: lasting image that we have is Joe Burrow. So that's 530 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: a really great point. Yeah, that's what happened. It was 531 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: even as recently as September, it was a foregone conclusion 532 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: that too was the number one pick in the draft. Yeah, 533 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: so you leave the door crack for others to having 534 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: performances that kind of change in way the opinion of scouts, 535 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: and so sometimes you want to finish it all the 536 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: way out so everyone knows exactly who you are and 537 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: where you deserved a stack. That is interesting you think about. 538 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: Of course, Miami at the beginning of the year was 539 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: probably the team that had the lowest or probably the 540 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: highest chance to get that number one pair was gonna 541 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: go number one to Miami, And now Joe Burrows going 542 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: number one to Cincinnati and two one might go number 543 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: five to Miami. Absolutely, you never know, but definitely an 544 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: interesting conversation because there's so many different ways you could 545 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: go about entering the NFL and entering the draft, whether 546 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: it's you want to sit out, you want to play 547 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: all the way through, and the competitiveness definitely does play 548 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: quite the factor. Now, wanted to ask you this question, 549 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: and this comes from our boy Preston Dabs on Twitter. 550 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: Mister Dabs asked, he said, is Derek Brown so much 551 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: better than Javon kin Law that he is worth the 552 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: price of a trade up? And he put in parentheses 553 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: say a first and a third to trade up to 554 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: try and get and this is specifically for the Cowboys 555 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: to try and trade up from seventeen to get Derek 556 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: Brown out of Auburn six five, twenty five pound DT. 557 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: I like Derek Brown, but I wouldn't trade up to 558 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: get him, not if Javin ken Law is there. I 559 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,479 Speaker 1: think when you make those moves to trade up, there 560 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: has to be such a divide between the people at 561 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: the top and the others that you know that there's 562 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: a significant drop off. I don't know if there's a 563 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: significant enough drop off between Derek Brown and Javin ken 564 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: Law to prompt me to make that move. I think 565 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: both are talented. I think Derek Brown is a very 566 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: special player. But I think if us right, Javin McKinley 567 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: could could be the same thing. So I think it 568 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: comes to looking at both guys, evaluating their physical trade 569 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: and how they were using a production and right now, 570 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: I would say that they're closer graded than the separation 571 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: the big divide you have graded higher. Oh, I would 572 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: say Derek Brown is a better prospect, a better player. 573 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: A couple other points too, is I don't know that 574 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: that trade would get that done one and three to 575 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: get you from seventeen to maybe as high as three, yeah, 576 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 1: or I think I saw Daniel Jeremiah had him rated 577 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: above Joe Burrow in terms of just a purer prospect. Yeah, 578 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: so you're talking about certainly a top five pick, maybe 579 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: top two or three. I don't think that trade gets 580 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: it done. First of all. The other thing is, I 581 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: know the Cowboys need a D tackle. It's very rare 582 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: to see a D tackle that's worth that type of resource. 583 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you think about even in Dominican Sue Nick Fairley. 584 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: I can go down the list of amazing defensive tackles 585 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: and those guys have you know, Sue has had an 586 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: amazing career, But did he transform the Detroit Lions into 587 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: the franchise that they wanted to be when they drafted him. Yeah, 588 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: I mean that's a very very interesting point when we 589 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: think about the defensive tackle position, Like it's look the 590 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: way teams are building the teams you have to have 591 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: two pass rushes that most would tell you they would 592 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: rather have someone on the outside and one person on 593 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: the inside because into your pass rush really disrupts the 594 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: rhythm of the quarterback. However, it's hard to find guys 595 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: that can be double digit set guys on the interior. 596 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: And as much as I love guys that can stop 597 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: the run and plug and do all those things, they 598 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: don't impact the game like someone exactly get double digit secks. 599 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: So unless it's a special pass rusher on the inside, 600 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: it's not really worth making that move. Which is ironic 601 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: because like the one guy that's been able to do 602 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: that as Aaron Donald, and he was drafted thirteenth, which 603 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: is down toward the Cowboys range, right, And and that's 604 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: the thing and the thing about like the Aaron Donald 605 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: comparison is when you looked at Aaron Donald during his 606 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: time at pitt high number of tacles for loss, high 607 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: numbers of sacks. When you saw him come down here, 608 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: dominated the entire week, and so even with all of 609 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: that dominance that he displayed, he still was taking more 610 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: in the middle. It's the first kind of crazy in retrospect, 611 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: like he was like his whole resume just screamed to 612 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: draft me, and people were still like, I don't know, 613 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: but you know the bigger thing, And I think the 614 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: league has kind of changed a little bit since then. 615 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: The high thing, like it was hard for sure. I mean, 616 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: we didn't have a lot of evidence of six one, 617 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: six two into your players being able to dominate to 618 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: the level where it merited a high pick. Now he 619 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: has since kind of paid the way for other guys 620 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: to do it. But until you're kind of the pioneer 621 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: or the trailblazer, it's hard for us to get on board. 622 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: I remember when we were here in twenty fourteen, a 623 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: lot of people compared him to me because he's like 624 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: so short for an interior defensive line. I was like, 625 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: I don't think he's that short, but well, you got 626 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: to think about the different needs also for the Cowboys overall, 627 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: I mean secondary. In Will mcclason yesterday, you can't have 628 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: a good secondary without a good line. You can't have 629 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: a good line without a good secondary. Right now, I 630 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: think you have some pieces that you could go out 631 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: and find a free agency the plug holes on the line, 632 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: as opposed to the talent really needs to come from 633 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: the draft if you're looking secondary. With the amount of 634 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,239 Speaker 1: contracts the Cowboys have to pay out, they need to 635 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: be hitting on multiple draft picks to compensate for that. Like, 636 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: you need to be getting production from young, cheap players, 637 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: and you're not doing that if you're trading picks away. 638 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: So it would have to be a heck of a 639 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: deal for me to want to do something like It's 640 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: an interesting point that you're bringing up, because once the 641 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: money is doled out, and let's just imagine they're gonna 642 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: pay the quarterback, and once you pay Dak Prescott and 643 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: he gets like the big money, let's just say it's 644 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: in the thirty thirty to thirty range. U Now, the 645 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: way that you build your team it has to become 646 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: more on drafting, and so if you commit your resources 647 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: to the offense, meaning high price quarterback, high price running back, 648 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: and maybe high price receiver. Well, now on defense, the 649 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: only people that you can pay is one pass rusher 650 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: and then the other guys have to be draft and 651 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: develop guys, guys that are home grown guys that you 652 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: get on a cheap contract for four years, and then 653 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: maybe you can earmark a handful of things. But this 654 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: year is very, very important because retooling the secondary and 655 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: those things like you really got to knock it out 656 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: depart when it comes to draft. Now you got to 657 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: be able to hit on those draft picks. And around 658 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: eighty million in cap space for the Cowboys heading into 659 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: the free agency market and you're gonna have to look there. 660 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: But this is another question to ask and kind of 661 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: interesting to think about. But what is a surprise position? 662 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: This comes from Kyle on Twitter. What is a surprise 663 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: position that you could see the Cowboys drafting at pick seventy? 664 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because all the needs are kind 665 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: of all over the place, Like ideally you talk about 666 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: like safety being one d line. We've talked about cornerback 667 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: to me is one that could be in place because 668 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: you have to take a decision on whether I would 669 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: take a young corner or resigned Byron Jones. Then on 670 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: the other side is what are they doing at wide 671 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: receiver because wide receiver is the main one. Even if 672 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: a Mary Cooper is resigned, does that mean that Ryndal 673 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: Cop comes back? How does that work? I think wide 674 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: receiver could be the position that you kind of see 675 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: with Mike McCarthy coming in and being an offense I'm 676 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: on the head coach and wanted to get the offense 677 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: up and going. And if you commit big money to 678 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: the quarterback, everything initially has to be on making sure 679 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: that he's comfortable. I think wide receiver is a position 680 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: that should think about. It absolutely is, and that I 681 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: mean every year I drive the train of like I 682 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, your defense doesn't have to be 683 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: that great if you can score forty points a game. 684 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: And this is such a loaded receiver class that I'm like, 685 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: So I'm so intrigued by the idea of like a 686 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs at seventeen. You know, I might depended in 687 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: a mock draft. So yeah, it's fun to think about that. 688 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: But at the same time, this receiver class is so 689 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: freaking it. It's so deep. So I've said on record 690 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: that I don't know if I would spend the first 691 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: round pick on a wide receiver. However, if I'm an 692 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: take one, I want to get a polished one. I 693 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: want to get it right now because I feel like 694 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: the window for the Cowboys is kind of imminent, like, yeah, 695 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: you have Zeke in the middle of a big deal. 696 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: You have Dak that's going to be on the front 697 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: end deal, Like you kind of want to get it going, 698 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: so I don't want to have time. And typically the 699 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: round designations kind of speak to how long did it 700 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: take for a player to develop. If I can get 701 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,959 Speaker 1: a first round player that can come right off the 702 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: college field and onto the pro field and be able 703 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: to dominate, I'm more to get one of those guys. 704 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: If you were asking me for a surprise, okay, because like, 705 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: no position on defense would shock me. Maybe maybe linebacker, 706 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: I guess, because they'd have Layton vander esh and Jalen Smith. 707 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: Nobody on defense would shock me because they have needs 708 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: all over the defense. If I was looking for a shock, 709 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: i'd probably say offensive tackle because this is this is 710 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: a pretty steep and stacked tackle class, right Like we're 711 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: talking about five or six first round tackles. I'm looking 712 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: at Jedrick Willis, I'm looking at Tristan Worf's who. Maybe 713 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: he's a guard, but he played tackle in college. The 714 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: Georgia guy, what's his name, Andrew Thomas. Yeah, um, all 715 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: of that makes sense for the Cowboys range Tyrn Smith. 716 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: I mean, he's still a hell of a player. He's 717 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: still he's still a player, but right now it's still 718 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: a little more reputation than performance. Like he hasn't been 719 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: the dominant player that we saw yea four or five 720 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: years for sure. I think he's sore. As he's a 721 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: very good tackle, he is not the like godlike tackle 722 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: that he was four or five years ago. The line 723 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: as a whole is not the line that we saw 724 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: four or five years ago. And so if if you're 725 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: going to the kind of money that you've committed to 726 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: Zeke and eventually Dak, that offensive line has to be 727 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: a fortress. And so taking an offensive tackle, uh certainly 728 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,760 Speaker 1: could be one. The name that's kind of like getting 729 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: the buzz when you talk to scouts. McCay Beckton, big 730 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: athletic guy. There's a video float on Twitter with him 731 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: playing basketball where you can see his athleticism dunking in 732 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,399 Speaker 1: those things. He's going to be in that conversation where 733 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: people are talking about, hey, whether he goes and so 734 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 1: he may go higher than expect it. But at seventeen, 735 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: there's going to be an offensive lineman that's sitting there 736 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: that is a blue chip player. And remember years ago 737 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: when they took Sam Martin, everyone was like what are 738 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: they doing? But it actually was a key building block 739 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: for that team becoming a division champion. Was at sixteen. Yeah, oh, 740 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: it's right in that range, which it's the age old 741 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: debate is like, yeah, they need a safety, Yeah, they 742 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: need a d tackle. Are you going to force that 743 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: pick because you need it? Or you know last year 744 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: or what they say it was a blinking light Like 745 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 1: if he got a blinking light tackle, do you pull 746 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,280 Speaker 1: that trigger? I, like I said, I'd be pretty shocked 747 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: because Tyrant's got gas in the tank. They just signed 748 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: Lyle Collins for the you know, for the long term. Yeah, 749 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: you think about it. I mean they could use a 750 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: swing tackle. This guy could kind of ease in with 751 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: the idea of being Tyrant's successor. It's not the worst 752 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: idea I've ever No, it's not. It's not the worst idea, 753 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: and also like you would like to make those moves 754 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: a year too early rather than a year too late. 755 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: If we talk about Tyron and some of the injury history, 756 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: you would like to have that that successor already into 757 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: building being developed to be the next one, as opposed to, Hey, 758 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: he goes down and then the next year you have 759 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: to go looking for an offensive tack. You never want 760 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: to go to the grocery store hunger. And with that 761 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: being said, do you talk about maybe the fact that 762 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: it is a year too late in a couple of 763 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,919 Speaker 1: these areas. You want to make that pick a little 764 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: bit earlier for some areas. But I mean, if you 765 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: look at safety and you look at maybe interior defensive lineman, 766 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: it might be a year too late. Overall. Yeah, it 767 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: might be a year too It might be a year 768 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: too late. I think it depends on how you envisioned 769 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: that guy playing the safety in this defense. What does 770 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: it What does it mean? Do you need to have 771 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: a dominant dude in the middle of your defense or 772 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: can you get away with m kind of a pedestrian 773 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: safety that's a guy that's more of a traffic cop. 774 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 1: When you think about the safeties in this class. Zavian 775 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: McKinney is a guy that is more near the line 776 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: of scrimmage, in the box, blixing and doing those things, 777 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: not necessarily a true cover guy. And I think, like 778 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: you go back to Cowboys, Lord, if you think about 779 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: how Roy Williams played in his prime when he was 780 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: down in the box, McKinney's kind of more in that, 781 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: like Grant Delpit is more of your float, play over 782 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: the top, do things like that. The biggest issue that 783 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: you have with Delpit over McKinney is delpest mistackles this 784 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: year were significant and alarming and can you fix that? Yeah, 785 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,240 Speaker 1: you know, like those things because his tape from September 786 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: and October is scary, not in a good way, No, no, no, 787 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: it's scary, and so can can you fix the tackling issue? 788 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: And a lot of debt will be on the coaches 789 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: after they talk to him and after they get a 790 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: field for him. Is it a want to thing or 791 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 1: a technique thing? Like That's what you have to determine 792 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 1: because in the middle of the field you can't have 793 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: guys missed out because those places certain touchdowns and going 794 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: back to wide receivers just really quickly before we take 795 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 1: our next break, Cowboys have had five first round picks 796 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,280 Speaker 1: that have been wide receivers over the course of their franchise. 797 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: Their best pick probably Michael Irvin in nineteen eighty eight, 798 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: but their most recent pick was Dez Bryant. And those 799 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 1: guys average pretty good players and two really good guys 800 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 1: an average throughout those five picks six years with Dallas 801 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy eight receptions on average and over 802 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: forty six hundred yards. So, I mean, you're getting a 803 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: good guy at seventeen if you're able to pick at 804 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 1: least historically a reiver. Amari's gonna be here for twenty 805 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: twenty one way or the other, whether it's by tag 806 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: or extension. Michael Gallup really came on last year. It 807 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,760 Speaker 1: looks like a young star. They can both play everywhere. 808 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 1: If you're drafting a receiver at seventeen, he's going to 809 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,439 Speaker 1: be able to do everything too. I mean, Jerry Judy 810 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: can do whatever you want him too. And Jerry Judy's 811 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: the one that on the outside he may slide because 812 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: like when you look at him compared to some of 813 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,919 Speaker 1: the other guys, the other guys look like freak shows 814 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,879 Speaker 1: in terms of their speed and the way they look. 815 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: But I'm telling you the best and most pro ready 816 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: wide receiver is Jerry Judy. He can run all the routes. 817 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: Haven't seen him since high school, having watched him at Alabama. Like, 818 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: he's very, very unique in his ability to kind of 819 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 1: get in and out of breaks, and so he followed 820 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,800 Speaker 1: behind Amari Cooper. The coaches there use a similar blueprint 821 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 1: in terms of getting him ready. I think he is 822 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,439 Speaker 1: a ready made guy that you can drop into any 823 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 1: offense and he can have all kinds of success if 824 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 1: he's sitting there. You talk about the blinking light, Yeah, 825 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 1: he's the blinking light that you have to proceed through, 826 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: which I mean, it's not like a huge need. But 827 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 1: if you told me they wound up with that, I'd 828 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: be I'm sure Dak Prescott would be happy, pretty excited 829 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: about one guy that kind of stuck out to me 830 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: as a late round guy here in the Senior Bowl, 831 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 1: Antonio Ganey Golden from Liberty. He looked, he looked pretty good. 832 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: So maybe a guy that the Cowboys could look at 833 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: round three, round four, if he's there at that point there, 834 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: Like I we already said it, but like there's gonna 835 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: be good receivers on the board, like all through this. 836 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: So this this the great thing about this draft is like, 837 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: I think you can take two. I don't think you're 838 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: you're limited to say, oh, we're gonna feel the need 839 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: with one. I think you can double up. And if 840 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: you go back and you look at Mike McCarthy's history 841 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: in Green Bay, even though he wasn't in control of 842 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: the draft, they always would double up and take some 843 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: of those late round guys and developed him. And the 844 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,720 Speaker 1: one thing that he is really good at is taking 845 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: guys day two and lore and being able to get 846 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: them on the field. That was kind of the model 847 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: in Green Bay when he was there. I think he 848 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: kind of understands how to fit those guys into the offense. Yeah, 849 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: and definitely interesting to look at as a surprise first 850 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 1: round pick at seventeen. So that's gonna do it for 851 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: Twitter on the twenty here from Mobile. When we come back, 852 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,439 Speaker 1: we'll wrap things up. We're gonna keep talking with Bucky 853 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 1: Brooks and get you ready for the final day of 854 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl here from Alabama. We'll be back at 855 00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: a moment here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Eighteen sixty five. 856 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: Stetson hats are American maid with pride right here in Texas, 857 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: and Stetson is proud to be on the field with 858 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 1: America's team. 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The twenty twenty Reese's Senior Bowl of Allas 894 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com Draft Show talking with Bucky Brooks, former 895 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 1: NFL player and NFL scout from the NFL Network. And 896 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 1: then we've got David Hellman and myself, Kyle Yeoman's and guys. 897 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 1: We've we've talked about some of these Twitter questions. We've 898 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: talked about the Cowboys needs and some of the guys 899 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,840 Speaker 1: that stuck out to us in those needs for the 900 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. But Bucky, I want to go back to 901 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: something that maybe doesn't relate directly to the Senior Bowl. However, 902 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,240 Speaker 1: you can fill some of those needs with the players 903 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 1: that are involved here. But you've come up with a blueprint, 904 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 1: and in this blueprints it surrounds how to build a 905 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 1: successful and championship franchise in the NFL. First, just kind 906 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: of explain this blueprint in what it consists of. So 907 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 1: when you think about building a championship roster, when you 908 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 1: guys talk to Will McClay, they'll talk about their scouting system. 909 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 1: A lot of times, the top guys on the board 910 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,879 Speaker 1: are called blues, blue chip players or whatever. So most 911 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,320 Speaker 1: championship teams are comprised of ten to twelve blue chip players, 912 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: guys that rank within the top five top ten in 913 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: the league. At their position, and so as you're building 914 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: an ideal roster, you need to have a nice cord 915 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 1: that has about twelve of those guys in there in 916 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: those positions. You're talking about a quarterback, three offensive playmakers. 917 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,759 Speaker 1: They can be running backs, tied in white receivers, any 918 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 1: combination of three, three solid offensive linemen that play at 919 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 1: a high level. You need two pass rushers, and you 920 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 1: need three defensive playmakers, whether it's linebackers, safeties, corners, you 921 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,240 Speaker 1: need a combination of three. If you have those twelve 922 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,360 Speaker 1: players on your roster, you have an opportunity to go. 923 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 1: And we think about this year's Super Bowl when we 924 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: tallied up the San Francisco forty nine US. San Francisco 925 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,840 Speaker 1: had like fifteen dudes. They got, they got more than 926 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 1: they had, They had enough players. I mean, the cup 927 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,320 Speaker 1: ran over. And then even when you look at like 928 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: some of those teams, like Kansas City is able to go, 929 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 1: but they don't quite have everything, but the quarterback is 930 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 1: so good that it makes up for it. So it's 931 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 1: ideal to have twelve, but you can get away with 932 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,840 Speaker 1: like ten or eleven. But man, if you get twelve, 933 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 1: it pretty much guarantees that you can be in the 934 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: final four and you can have a chance to play 935 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,280 Speaker 1: in the in the final Well, let's piece this together 936 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. Yeah, raises the question about how far 937 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 1: away the Cowboys. Let's see exactly how far the Cowboys 938 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,879 Speaker 1: are from from having that that blueprint kind of stand out. 939 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,799 Speaker 1: So quarterback, would we consider Dak Prescott that guy? Yeah, 940 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,360 Speaker 1: because I think I think you can put him in 941 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,359 Speaker 1: that mix. I think he's played at a high level 942 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,800 Speaker 1: um to be able to do it. It doesn't necessarily 943 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,960 Speaker 1: mean when we're making that blueprint that the quarterback has 944 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: to necessarily carry the squad, right, but when he has 945 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,399 Speaker 1: the things around him, can he play at a high level. 946 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,799 Speaker 1: We've seen him do that. Okay, So Ezekiel Elliott, offensive playmaker, Chang. Yeah, 947 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,239 Speaker 1: you've got Amari Cooper, Chack Chang. Now who would be 948 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 1: the third Would it be a Randall Cob, Michael Gallup. 949 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna throw Jason Witten's name in there, not 950 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,239 Speaker 1: not anymore, not anymore anymore. So that would be the thing. 951 00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: Can Michael Gallup be a guy that can be the 952 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: consider third weapon or do they need to go out 953 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,359 Speaker 1: and get another tight end or another playmaker? But somewhere there. 954 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,320 Speaker 1: I think you could say that maybe I love that 955 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,279 Speaker 1: is lacking. I love that you used consistency, because I 956 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 1: mean Gallup had an eleven hundred yards season. He really, 957 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,240 Speaker 1: I mean he came on, but was not that consistent playmaker. 958 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 1: He left plays on the field, notably against Philadelphia that 959 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,279 Speaker 1: might have gotten the Cowboys into the playoffs. Well, he 960 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,880 Speaker 1: wasn't a one B to Amar's one end on as 961 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,880 Speaker 1: enough basis two and that's what you need. So if 962 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 1: you think about Zeke being the guy that you can count, 963 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,879 Speaker 1: obviously he played to that level. But now your two 964 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 1: weapons of Maria Cooper has to play at that level consistently, 965 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,560 Speaker 1: and then you have to have someone else because typically 966 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,759 Speaker 1: if they take a Mariy Cooper where you want to 967 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,239 Speaker 1: be able to know that the other guy can do damage. Which, 968 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 1: to answer your question, yes, they need to find a 969 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 1: tight end. And I like during the break I realized, 970 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,359 Speaker 1: you know, we didn't really talk about that as an 971 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,759 Speaker 1: option at seventeen, probably because there isn't one. It is 972 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,000 Speaker 1: not it's not very top heavy tight end class. Right, 973 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,360 Speaker 1: There isn't a top heavy, but a thing once you 974 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,799 Speaker 1: get into the second round, there's some intriguing options. And um, look, 975 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,120 Speaker 1: Harrison Bryan, we've really talked about him. I talked about 976 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 1: down here, the Dayton tight end. Yes he is. He 977 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 1: is catching some eyes for anc has certainly come in 978 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 1: and he's done some really good thing. Adam Troutman out 979 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,800 Speaker 1: of Dayton. If you're listening on good luck finding his tape. 980 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 1: He played it. He played it Dayton. But ht no. 981 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 1: But like and you know, a lot like Kyle Dugger, 982 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,960 Speaker 1: who we also talked about last night, you know, coming 983 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,360 Speaker 1: from a program like I mean, I know Dayton basketball, 984 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,239 Speaker 1: I didn't know they had a football program. And but 985 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 1: he he has looked like he belongs out here. He 986 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,399 Speaker 1: does definitely doesn't look like a fish out of wall. 987 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,640 Speaker 1: He doesn't look like a fish out of wood. And 988 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: when you talk to some people, there's some people that 989 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 1: believe he might be the best one when it all 990 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,600 Speaker 1: comes down to it at the end of the process, 991 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 1: that Adam Troutman may be the first tight end. So look, 992 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 1: he's certainly done himself well by performing as the senior Bob. 993 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, there's some tight ends. I don't know if 994 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,879 Speaker 1: there's one. Where we talked about the seventeen second round, 995 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,240 Speaker 1: you do it, but regardless, it has to be a priority, 996 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 1: like finding a tight end has to be a priority. 997 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,520 Speaker 1: And we don't know what's gonna happen with Whitton. Maybe 998 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: he comes back. I kind of doubt it, but I 999 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 1: just keep saying, like, even if he does, they gotta 1000 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,960 Speaker 1: they gotta address the future. You talk about doing it 1001 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,560 Speaker 1: a year two early, verse too late. It's been too 1002 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,360 Speaker 1: late for a couple of years. Yeah. Well, and you 1003 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,319 Speaker 1: made the point about Troutman being a fish out of water, 1004 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 1: no pun intended, But that's good. I didn't even think 1005 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,359 Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, Steven Sullivan from Elis, you looked good 1006 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,240 Speaker 1: this week. I think Bryson Hopkins is a solid option. 1007 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,719 Speaker 1: He needs to pick up the blocking of Sullivan, which 1008 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,680 Speaker 1: again we talk about like how things are going to 1009 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,960 Speaker 1: change under Mike McCarthy. Sullivan's a big slot like he 1010 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's sure, it's it's not really accurate to 1011 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,239 Speaker 1: even call him a tight end. Forty five and he's 1012 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,360 Speaker 1: got massive hand. That's like an instant no for the 1013 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,760 Speaker 1: Jason Garrett Cowboys, right, But maybe Mike McCarthy sees differently. 1014 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they had Jimmy Graham for the 1015 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,759 Speaker 1: longest time, like they don't always ask they're tight end 1016 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,960 Speaker 1: to do as much of that well rounded stuff. So 1017 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,840 Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by the options that might be available to 1018 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: them because of this change and coaching staff. Yeah, they've 1019 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,279 Speaker 1: they've done a few different things. When he was in 1020 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 1: Green Bay, at one point they had not only Jimmy Graham, 1021 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,200 Speaker 1: but they had Lance Kendricks. Yeah, you know, then they 1022 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,600 Speaker 1: had someone else who could be the traditional blocking tight end. 1023 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:12,839 Speaker 1: I think what you want to do is you want 1024 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 1: to be able to have options so you can balance 1025 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: up the defense and attack them and very different ways. Well, 1026 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,160 Speaker 1: the point that I was making was even with some 1027 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,120 Speaker 1: of the guys that are at the Senior Bowls, some 1028 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,400 Speaker 1: of the guys that are here in Mobile, there are 1029 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 1: late round tight end options. Sure it doesn't have to 1030 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,120 Speaker 1: be at seventeen, but you can find a playmaker and 1031 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,759 Speaker 1: find one of those gems that could end up being 1032 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,759 Speaker 1: a starting tight end this year or in the future. Yeah, 1033 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,520 Speaker 1: I think that's the big thing I think, and talking 1034 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 1: about the formula, like the Cowboys certainly need to address, 1035 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,759 Speaker 1: like finding one other piece to the puzzle when it 1036 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,560 Speaker 1: comes to the perimeter. Can they find someone that can 1037 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,880 Speaker 1: be a difference maker impact player. Imagine if they had 1038 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,880 Speaker 1: a guy that could impact the game, like Philadelphia Zach Ert, 1039 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,920 Speaker 1: someone in the middle decking each other where you you 1040 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,319 Speaker 1: have to begin to think about can we double team him. 1041 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:56,840 Speaker 1: That's how you kind of have to put that standard. 1042 00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 1: We need guys that demand a double team because if 1043 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 1: you get that to mean, someone else is going to benefit. 1044 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,279 Speaker 1: When you look at the two teams in the Super Bowl, 1045 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,920 Speaker 1: George Kittle, Travis Kells sretty good players, pretty solid tight end, 1046 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,120 Speaker 1: neither one of which was the first round pick. I'll 1047 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,520 Speaker 1: have you, I'll remind you so like that, Yeah, let's 1048 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,360 Speaker 1: stick with the offense. Three offensive lineman Lyle Collins is 1049 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,040 Speaker 1: in the mix. Now where do we put the rest 1050 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,080 Speaker 1: of the offensive line because in the past it was 1051 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,960 Speaker 1: check mark, Yeah, Smith, check Mark Frederick, check mark all 1052 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,600 Speaker 1: over that offensive line. I'm interested for your you know, 1053 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,160 Speaker 1: I want to see what you have to think. We're 1054 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,200 Speaker 1: we're in the bubble, like we're we're yeah exactly, which 1055 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,080 Speaker 1: I still think of the I mean I still think 1056 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,600 Speaker 1: of Tyron Smith, Travis Frederick, and Zach Martin. Like that's 1057 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 1: check marks for me. Like I think I think Martin 1058 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,400 Speaker 1: would be a check mark. Are I think I think 1059 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,520 Speaker 1: Martin and Frederick are more check Marston Tyrone Smith at 1060 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,560 Speaker 1: the point. Okay, I worry about Tyrone Smith a little 1061 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,959 Speaker 1: bit in terms of like the durability and injury history, 1062 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,280 Speaker 1: and there have been some games where he just hasn't 1063 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,400 Speaker 1: looked the same and obviously injuries do that. Um, I 1064 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,160 Speaker 1: still believe obviously we still have cited three offensive lineman. 1065 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,200 Speaker 1: The offensive line is good. It wasn't. It's not as 1066 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,960 Speaker 1: great as it once was. I think we get um 1067 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,120 Speaker 1: kind of lured into thinking that the offensive line is 1068 00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,600 Speaker 1: what it was two or three years ago, and it's 1069 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,480 Speaker 1: just not that. And so Dad has kind of impacted 1070 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,040 Speaker 1: the ability to kind of dominate on offense. So what 1071 00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,400 Speaker 1: would we do, We would say, Martin, I still I 1072 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,680 Speaker 1: think it's still still I think that so offensive line 1073 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,120 Speaker 1: taking care of quarterbacks, taking care of an offensive three 1074 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,000 Speaker 1: offensive playmakers. Tight end is probably the one spot on 1075 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,080 Speaker 1: when he won one other spot, and you need Michael 1076 00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,200 Speaker 1: Gallup to continue to build. Yeah, so offense, we've got 1077 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,480 Speaker 1: one player to look at in terms of filling those 1078 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,000 Speaker 1: draft needs. Now, let's get to the defense out a 1079 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,359 Speaker 1: little bit of a different story. Starting with the pass rush, 1080 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,879 Speaker 1: We've got d Law in the Pass Rush. Where else 1081 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,000 Speaker 1: do we go here? I don't know, man, because it's 1082 00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:53,520 Speaker 1: kind of hard to count on Robert Quinn being a 1083 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,080 Speaker 1: guy that can do it, Like he's he's an older guy. 1084 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,800 Speaker 1: If anything, he's he's a descending player, like he's not 1085 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,560 Speaker 1: going to play science him as well. Yeah. So so 1086 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,319 Speaker 1: then as you looking at their front, like who else, 1087 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,360 Speaker 1: um are guys that you scare? Who else is available 1088 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,480 Speaker 1: to to think about? That's that's you're You're done. I mean, 1089 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, no shade intended to Malie Collins, 1090 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,680 Speaker 1: He's been fine, He's deaf. I mean, he's not what 1091 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,920 Speaker 1: you're describing. And on top of that, he doesn't have 1092 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,839 Speaker 1: a contract right now anyway. Yeah. So, and I mean 1093 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,040 Speaker 1: when you get through that, and that's I mean, that's 1094 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,520 Speaker 1: the problem is right now it's DeMarcus Lawrence and Tumbleweeds. 1095 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,080 Speaker 1: Yeah and so and so so Now where does that 1096 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,799 Speaker 1: where does that guy come from? So now when we're 1097 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,680 Speaker 1: thinking about retooling and redoing this thing, I mean, do 1098 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,400 Speaker 1: they even go all the way outside and find an 1099 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,160 Speaker 1: edge player because we kind of talked about interior players 1100 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,759 Speaker 1: when we talked about uh Ken Law and Derek Brown 1101 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,240 Speaker 1: and all those guys. But is there an edge player 1102 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,759 Speaker 1: that can come in and give them what they want, 1103 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,840 Speaker 1: that that can give them to kind of sack production 1104 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,640 Speaker 1: double digit sacks off the edge that can play You 1105 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,759 Speaker 1: would know, you would know better than me. But like my, 1106 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,240 Speaker 1: you know, diving into this draft class, I'm not convinced 1107 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,759 Speaker 1: the value is there, at least not in the first round. Yeah. No, 1108 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:08,960 Speaker 1: it's tough. So you're talking about Ajum being in that consideration, 1109 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,160 Speaker 1: but like, I don't know, like seventeen, he can kind 1110 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,040 Speaker 1: of be there. Uh, but I don't And and I'm 1111 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,040 Speaker 1: not trying to dog the guy. He doesn't strike me 1112 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,960 Speaker 1: as like that right end that's just gonna zip around 1113 00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,960 Speaker 1: And he's kind yeah, yeah, he's kind of like he's 1114 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,279 Speaker 1: kind of what I call I think I've wrote done 1115 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 1: in my nose. He's a worker bee, you know what 1116 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like, he's a worker bee. He plays hard, 1117 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,160 Speaker 1: he kind of gives you some production. Maybe he can 1118 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,200 Speaker 1: give you up to ten sex, but I don't think 1119 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,600 Speaker 1: he's the guy that's going to give you look ten 1120 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:41,520 Speaker 1: twelve consistently. Um, there's Calavan chasing from LSU. Who's who's interesting? 1121 00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,520 Speaker 1: I wonder how light he is compared to what they 1122 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,520 Speaker 1: would want on the edges, because he's kind of like 1123 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,560 Speaker 1: you're talking about twenty five fifty pounds, Like, are you 1124 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,440 Speaker 1: moving around? He has speed, he has first step quickness, 1125 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,120 Speaker 1: he has all that stuff where he can play off 1126 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,960 Speaker 1: games and stunts. But can he give you that consist 1127 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,000 Speaker 1: in production off the edge. He's intriguing. I just don't 1128 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,120 Speaker 1: know until we kind of get a feel for what 1129 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,959 Speaker 1: Mike Nolan wants on defense. That's it's hard to plug 1130 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,880 Speaker 1: him intore. I went to LSU, so I think the 1131 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,040 Speaker 1: world of Caleban. But if the Cowboys are interested in him, 1132 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,600 Speaker 1: that says something very specific to me, because like he 1133 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,480 Speaker 1: really strikes you as more of a three four guy, yeah, 1134 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,640 Speaker 1: and as as opposed to this big down lineman that's 1135 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,600 Speaker 1: going to do that type of work. And if the 1136 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,000 Speaker 1: Cowboys are interested in him, I just think it sends 1137 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,000 Speaker 1: a signal about what they might be looking for for 1138 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,279 Speaker 1: the future of their full scale shift in terms of 1139 00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,960 Speaker 1: what they're looking looking for whatever. There's a kid that 1140 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,879 Speaker 1: is another classman that came out, Curtis Weaver from Boise State. 1141 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,719 Speaker 1: But once again we talked about these are these edge 1142 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,480 Speaker 1: rushers that are these three four types to kind of 1143 00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,439 Speaker 1: stand up sixty three twenty sixty five pounds. He broke 1144 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,759 Speaker 1: the Mountain West record in sacks. He had thirty four 1145 00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,919 Speaker 1: in a three year career. Cowboys love their boysy guys. Yeah, 1146 00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,680 Speaker 1: excellent first step, quickness, does a great job getting off 1147 00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,520 Speaker 1: to his and you're right, like because they've had success 1148 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,160 Speaker 1: Tymark Crawford and some of the other guys like those 1149 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,719 Speaker 1: guys have come from there and play with LVEE. So 1150 00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,320 Speaker 1: he certainly is a guy that could be in that conversation. 1151 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,279 Speaker 1: But I do wonder and two we kind of get 1152 00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,360 Speaker 1: a true feel for what they want to do on 1153 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,799 Speaker 1: the defensive side. It's gonna make it hard. And then 1154 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,879 Speaker 1: I wanted to pull up the kid from Penn State. Well, 1155 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:25,719 Speaker 1: I'm talking about Weaver had thirteen and a half sacks's 1156 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,719 Speaker 1: junior season and to go along with the thirty four 1157 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,719 Speaker 1: that he had in his first three years or three 1158 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,880 Speaker 1: years starter at Boise State. I mean, he's got a 1159 00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,600 Speaker 1: got quite a bit the resume to work with that 1160 00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,279 Speaker 1: that that is definitely a name though, Man, I don't 1161 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:42,000 Speaker 1: want to Jader Grossmato, Yeah, Jada Grossmatos, And I think 1162 00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,640 Speaker 1: I think the thing with him, like he's long ranging, 1163 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,040 Speaker 1: I wrote in my nose he kind of reminds me 1164 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,759 Speaker 1: of Jason Pierre Paul. Like Jason Pierre Paul when he 1165 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,960 Speaker 1: first came out of South Florida, he was long, he 1166 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:52,839 Speaker 1: was still trying to figure it out. But he has 1167 00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,800 Speaker 1: some traits that are intriguing. His first dep quitting is 1168 00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,440 Speaker 1: his length. His ability to play with his hands. Uh, 1169 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,120 Speaker 1: could be intriguing. But once again, until we get a 1170 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,759 Speaker 1: real feel for what Mike Nolan and those guys want 1171 00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,560 Speaker 1: to take and let the cat out the bag, then 1172 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,239 Speaker 1: we can begin to project. Okay, here's where these guys fit, 1173 00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:09,880 Speaker 1: and here's where they fit on the board where the 1174 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,920 Speaker 1: Cowboys can get them. Would you be selling high on 1175 00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,200 Speaker 1: both of those guys? I mean it kind of seems 1176 00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,520 Speaker 1: like the consensus has been kind of back in first round. Yeah, 1177 00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,080 Speaker 1: so I think back in first round. So then what 1178 00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:20,040 Speaker 1: you have to do is you have to make a 1179 00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,960 Speaker 1: decision if you're Cowboys. Okay, I'm sitting there seventeen, how 1180 00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,560 Speaker 1: much do we love the guy? Do we want to 1181 00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,920 Speaker 1: get cute and play around the board and drop down 1182 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,320 Speaker 1: into the twenties where people to talk about the value 1183 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,520 Speaker 1: is right? Or do we just like him and we're 1184 00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,640 Speaker 1: just gonna roll the dice whether the outside noise says 1185 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,640 Speaker 1: that he's a good fit for us and not. That's 1186 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,280 Speaker 1: interesting to look at it because there is an option 1187 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,120 Speaker 1: at seventeen to trade back and stay within the first round. 1188 00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,120 Speaker 1: And if you're able to stay within the first round, 1189 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,160 Speaker 1: you could pick up a second or that's a round pick. 1190 00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,480 Speaker 1: And with the amount of options and holes that the 1191 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,680 Speaker 1: Cowboys need to fill on defense, well then and so 1192 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,800 Speaker 1: when you think about the trade back scenario, what you 1193 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,759 Speaker 1: want to do is you want to envision, Okay, if 1194 00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,520 Speaker 1: we move back into the twenties, are there multiple players 1195 00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,959 Speaker 1: that we would take at twenty five or at twenty seven. 1196 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,080 Speaker 1: And so we talked about the various needs. So we 1197 00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,200 Speaker 1: talked about safety, We talked about wide receiver. We've talked 1198 00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,719 Speaker 1: about somewhere along the defensive front. As we know, if 1199 00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,520 Speaker 1: they get stuck there a million wide receiver, so they 1200 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,040 Speaker 1: always could fall back into take a wide receiver. If 1201 00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,360 Speaker 1: we really look at where the safeties will be graded, 1202 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,719 Speaker 1: the safeties will probably come in and the twenties where 1203 00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,960 Speaker 1: the grades are all said and done. So I think 1204 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,319 Speaker 1: there are multiple scenarios where the Cowboys could honestly look 1205 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,359 Speaker 1: and say, look at seventeen, we could fall back. Let's 1206 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,160 Speaker 1: not fall all the way out the first round, but 1207 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,759 Speaker 1: let's fall back and we will get a player that 1208 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,600 Speaker 1: we like, and we may also get an additional two 1209 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,040 Speaker 1: or three in terms of day two picks, where we 1210 00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:44,240 Speaker 1: can find another player like the tied end, like another 1211 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,239 Speaker 1: corner or something that can kind of help us do 1212 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,839 Speaker 1: what we want to do. Man's that's fun to think 1213 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,840 Speaker 1: about the trade scenarios. Give me, give me all the pass. 1214 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,560 Speaker 1: Lets try and load up a little bit here. So 1215 00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,439 Speaker 1: we we've determined that we have the one pass rushing piece, yeah, 1216 00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,839 Speaker 1: and we need an yeah, preferably two more. Honestly, yeah, 1217 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,279 Speaker 1: you would like to have two more. But let's go 1218 00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,320 Speaker 1: with three playmakers on defense to round out this this 1219 00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,399 Speaker 1: blueprint for a championship team. Three players on defense. Who 1220 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,120 Speaker 1: do we got? Now? Who you could check that off? Well? 1221 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,280 Speaker 1: I think the linebackers. I think it has to be 1222 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,720 Speaker 1: Smith and LVU. Like obviously Lu you worry about the 1223 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,080 Speaker 1: net concern and can come back if he comes back, 1224 00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,960 Speaker 1: I mean, he proved in this rookie season, like when 1225 00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:27,880 Speaker 1: when he and Smith were playing at a high level, 1226 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,960 Speaker 1: like Dallas's defense was dominant. And so those are the 1227 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,840 Speaker 1: two playmakers that I would check in. I don't know 1228 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,000 Speaker 1: who that guy is in the back end. Like for 1229 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,480 Speaker 1: all of the things people would talk about Byron Jones, 1230 00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if he played to that level where 1231 00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,360 Speaker 1: you could put him in that conversation as like a 1232 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,240 Speaker 1: top five quest. I would argue this year that he 1233 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,360 Speaker 1: did not. You know, and then as safety, we we 1234 00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,920 Speaker 1: we've talked about the struggles at safety, and so it 1235 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,400 Speaker 1: tells you that one other piece is needed, one of 1236 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,440 Speaker 1: the secondary piece is needed, and whether that's at corner, 1237 00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,160 Speaker 1: whether that's at safety, UM, it has to be addressed 1238 00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,400 Speaker 1: for this team to kind of complete it. It's an 1239 00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,200 Speaker 1: interesting conversation. I feel, I feel dumb saying, and Jalen 1240 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:05,840 Speaker 1: Smith is at the Pro Bowl right now, but I 1241 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,720 Speaker 1: think most people would agree he took a step back 1242 00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,320 Speaker 1: in his second season as a starter. Yeah, well third technically, 1243 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,080 Speaker 1: but and it sounds weird to say, but I think 1244 00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,840 Speaker 1: if Mike Nolan can get and he's a linebacker specialist, 1245 00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,560 Speaker 1: if he can get a more consistent level of play 1246 00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,360 Speaker 1: out of him. The word playmaker's funny for Byron because 1247 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,280 Speaker 1: I think he's a great corner. He does not make plays, 1248 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,440 Speaker 1: and yeah, and their interception, and there's something too that 1249 00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:33,000 Speaker 1: like it depends on what you really want at the position. 1250 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,480 Speaker 1: He's a Catholic like great athlete, great size, great speed, 1251 00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,240 Speaker 1: great leaping ability. But then ball skills come into it 1252 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,200 Speaker 1: um as you know, because you guys kind of frowned 1253 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,720 Speaker 1: upon the low number of turnovers that have he kind 1254 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,520 Speaker 1: of existed of late. The teams they win, they win 1255 00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,960 Speaker 1: to turnover about him. They dominate turnovers. And now there's 1256 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,040 Speaker 1: some randomness to creating turnovers. But one thing that typically happens, 1257 00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:56,920 Speaker 1: if you want to create turnovers, you have to get 1258 00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,760 Speaker 1: guys who have a proven trek record of snagging the 1259 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,240 Speaker 1: ball all in the back end. So when you go 1260 00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,520 Speaker 1: and you look at their college stats, do they have 1261 00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,800 Speaker 1: double digit interceptions, do they have multiple seasons of significant 1262 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,920 Speaker 1: number of interceptions? Do they have the guys that have 1263 00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,120 Speaker 1: baseball in their background so they can judge balls, and 1264 00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:19,720 Speaker 1: then the total team speed. Faster teams typically produce takeaways 1265 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,680 Speaker 1: because they run to the ball. When you get a 1266 00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:23,800 Speaker 1: number of hats on the ball, the ball tends to 1267 00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,120 Speaker 1: fall out and then people pick it up and so 1268 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,320 Speaker 1: turnovers will be an emphasis, and I know they have 1269 00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,160 Speaker 1: to find the right kind of players that can create those. 1270 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,040 Speaker 1: So looking at the blueprint from Bucky Brooks himself, what 1271 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:41,080 Speaker 1: are the needs tight end, defensive line, secondary, no big surprise, safety, safety, cornerback, 1272 00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:46,240 Speaker 1: tight end, d tackle, defensive end. Yeah, let's get that. 1273 00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,520 Speaker 1: Let's do that trade back and make this thing easier 1274 00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,360 Speaker 1: on ourselves. Let's just cover all of our bases. But Bucky, 1275 00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,200 Speaker 1: we do want to thank you so much for joining us. 1276 00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,120 Speaker 1: It's been a ton of fun talking some draft with you. 1277 00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,520 Speaker 1: We look forward to speaking with you in the future 1278 00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,680 Speaker 1: as well. Thank you so much over the course of 1279 00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,160 Speaker 1: the draft process. Good luck and safe travels back to 1280 01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,360 Speaker 1: the West Coast. It'll be fun talking to you, man. 1281 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,880 Speaker 1: That was good. It was fun. It was fun chopping 1282 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,720 Speaker 1: out what you guys about the Cowboys and Senior Bowl 1283 01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,560 Speaker 1: in the draft. Yeah. Man, And we'll be back with 1284 01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:15,920 Speaker 1: Jeff Cavanaugh and Kevin Turner next week Thursday at eleven o'clock. 1285 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,240 Speaker 1: We'll dive into what we saw during the Senior Bowl. 1286 01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:19,760 Speaker 1: We're also going to start diving into some of the 1287 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,800 Speaker 1: guys who were not here in Mobile, Alabama. As we 1288 01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,680 Speaker 1: continue to lead you up to the twenty twenty NFL 1289 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,760 Speaker 1: Draft to start and look ahead to the combine, which 1290 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,880 Speaker 1: is kind of interesting as well. I mean the fact 1291 01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,160 Speaker 1: that the combine is right around the corner butt for 1292 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,919 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, for Dave Hellman and the rest of our crew. 1293 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,600 Speaker 1: Here from Mobile, Alabama, I'm Kyle Yeoman, signing off for 1294 01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,480 Speaker 1: the Draft Show. We'll see you next week here on 1295 01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:45,160 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com. This has been a production of 1296 01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,800 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.