WEBVTT - The Fifth Hour: George Noory, Late Night Legend 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:05.360 Ka boom. If you thought four hours a day, minutes 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:08.560 a week was enough, I think again. He's the last 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:12.280 remnants of the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:15.360 He treats crackheads in the ghetto Cutter the same as 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:19.440 the rich pill poppers in the penthouse the clearing House 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:23.200 of Hot takes break free for something special. The Fifth 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:30.280 Hour with Ben Maller starts right now in the air 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:36.640 everywhere and welcome back into the podcast dojo for a 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:40.000 brand spanking new addition of The Fifth Hour with Ben 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:46.199 Maller and Danny g Radio in an extra special, extra 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:51.400 special edition of the Fifth Hour, And I'm so excited. 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:53.800 You know, doing the overnight show for so many years 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:59.120 talking sports, the goal has always been to be at 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.520 the very top, right, you know, you always want to 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.399 have the most success you can have in anything that 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:09.920 you do. And in our business, the most successful overnight 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:14.760 show is Coast to Coast AM. It has been on 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:19.200 since the late nineteen eighties and it has dominated. It 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:21.880 is the most popular overnight show in the country. Now, 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:24.080 you you're probably thinking, why am I talking about this? 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:28.000 That's a competitor, But we're all under the same umbrella 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:31.240 as you. Know Fox Sports Radio is a partnership with 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:36.040 the Premier networks. I work out of the Premier Network studios. 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.520 We do the Ben Maller Show out of that studio, 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:45.520 and George Nori does his show as he talks paranormal 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:50.320 conspiracy theories and all of that, he does his show 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:54.080 from our studio base. He's on a different floor than 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.880 we are, but we're in the same building and so 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:00.800 I often will run into George, more his car than 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:04.440 anything else. But I have been a fan of Coast 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.920 to Coast going back to Art bell Uh, the man 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:11.960 that started that show at its inception back in the day, 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:17.360 and I just love the variety of topics and the 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:22.880 way they approach radio. I love radio when it's done well. 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.960 And every time I've met with the bosses over the 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.960 years at Fox, the people that are in charge of 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:34.160 my show, I've always said, listen, my goal with the 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:40.359 Overnight I wanna I wanna make this like Coast to Coast, right, 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:42.600 I want to make this as important a show as 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.320 Coast to Coast is for the overnight listener. And we're 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:49.079 not quite there yet. We're getting there, We're not there. 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.079 There's a lot of work to still be done to 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.440 close the gap and whatnot. But the man that has 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.360 all the answers, and someone who I'm a fan of, 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:58.840 I don't hear him that much. But I don't really 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.880 hear him on the way home. Actually, I'll flip on 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:03.720 Coast to Coast, got a long drive back to the 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:07.360 north Woods, and we are welcomed in now by George 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:11.519 nor the host of Coast to Coast AM and Art Bell. 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:15.520 Of course, as I mentioned a legend of late night radio, George, 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.800 he retires, and I'm gonna give you credit. You have 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:24.440 seamlessly guided Coast to Coast for twentysomething years without missing 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.400 a beat. And I know in our world, the sports world, 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:35.520 when a star quarterback exit stage right, normally things fall apart. 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:39.640 For example, the New England Patriots with Tom Brady. He 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:43.240 goes to the Buccaneers and the Patriots go from Super 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.560 Bowl team contender for the Super Bowl year after year 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:50.760 to a very mediocre product without Tom Brady because they 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.960 haven't been able to replace him. But you have done 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.520 above and beyond, gone above and beyond the call of duty, George, 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.560 And how have you been able to do it? Placing 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:05.720 an icon and continuing to grow and evolve and improve 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:10.840 the show. It's kind of interesting, Ben, I have been 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:13.840 interested in this subject matter since I was a kid. 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.000 We can get into that in a moment. But I 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:21.520 groomed myself to do this years ago. And so when 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.200 I got into broadcasting, I was nineteen years old. I 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:28.159 got my first job as a television production company a 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:32.839 worker in Detroit for an ABC TV station, and I 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.040 just worked my way up. I got was twenty one 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.680 years old. I got my radio job, my first one, 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:42.200 and then went into television as an executive and kept 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.680 marketing and pushing myself. But I was always interested in 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:49.479 the unusual, the unexplained, and so when the time came 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.560 to replace Art Bell or fill in for him, there 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:54.880 I was. I was in the right spot. And then 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.000 many of the guests that I had on local shows 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.400 in St. Louis, for example, we're the same people who 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.800 are on coast to coast, So it was a seamless 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.640 move for me. And what I just did is I 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.080 just kept tweaking the program and I've been doing it 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:13.000 now we're going on twenty years this year. Well congratulations 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.800 on that. And what is it? Maybe it's just the 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:19.880 late night hours, but the the topics, which obviously you're 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:21.719 you're a big fan of You've been doing a long time. 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.719 But why does that show do so well? You guys 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:29.040 have dominated late night syndicated radio everywhere I go when 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.080 I travel anywhere, George, I turned on the radio late 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.880 at night. Coast to coast is everywhere. What is the 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:39.520 magic recipe about these topics? I think people are bombarded 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:46.119 during the day ben with political information, breaking news tragedies, 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.720 and they just want to get a little break at 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:52.960 night and just relax. Whether they're driving in trucks, driving 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:57.440 home from work, security police officers, or just home in bed, 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:01.200 they just want to relax and chill out for the day. 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:04.280 And that's what our program brings them. It brings them 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.280 not only comfort, but it brings them the ability to 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:10.960 let their minds wander. I mean, is their life after death? 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:16.120 Are their UFOs? Are these strange things happening? Are there conspiracies? 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:18.400 And uh, it's kind of fun for people to sit 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.479 back and enjoy it. Yeah, now we both have this 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:23.839 in common. I do a late night sports show, George, 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.760 and I get some really zany people that call up 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:28.919 and and you know, it's in the sports world and 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.719 all that, but you hosting coast to coast, you get 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:36.480 like next level uh callers some really wild stuff and 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:38.800 I've heard some of it. I've heard stories about some 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.080 of the people that have called over the stretching the 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:45.120 boundaries of the imagination and the thing. I will give 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.320 you credit because I'm not like you, Georgie. You are 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.599 able to stay very calm. You listen. You how do 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.000 you have so much patience dealing with some of the 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:56.200 really extreme things that happen when people call up on 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.240 open lines Bead. My favorite phrase when I get a 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:05.560 strange call is really, but I let them talk. You know. 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.760 One of the secrets I have learned of interviewing is 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:13.080 to listen and let your guests or the caller call. 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:17.120 And the only thing I don't tolerate his profanity. Obviously 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.960 you know that they get booted off for that, and 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:23.360 they know that. So they talk about some outlandish things 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.120 and it's my job to kind of pull it out 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:29.200 to get more and more information from them. And that's 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.040 what I do. I you know, I'm I'm seriously interested 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:35.040 in what they're talking about. I'm listening to what they're 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.200 talking about, and uh, I mean, I've heard some talk 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:42.559 show hosts that somebody will say in uh, six people 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.000 in my family got sick last night, and then his 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:48.200 next question is how many people got sick last night? 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:52.240 You have to listen and uh. And I think that's 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:55.560 one of the things that has kept the program successful 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.720 with the callers is they know that they can become 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.760 part of the show without being put down, offended, and 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.120 then to say what they want and that it will 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:09.160 get on. Yeah, for sure. And you mentioned you were 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:14.000 kind of groom growing up. You're into paranormal activity and 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.960 whatnot as a as a kid, was there anything specific, George? 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:19.680 I mean you think about your your in your days. 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.640 Did you did you see something in some UFO or something. 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:26.040 Was there a moment in time where you realize, Hey, 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.320 this is something that I love and that that's what 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.240 led you down this path his career. When I was 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.400 a youngster, my mother brought me home a book by 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:38.200 Walter Sullivan, New York Times science writer. And when I 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.720 had an opportunity to read that book called We Are 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.880 Not Alone, I was obsessed with the possibility of extraterrestrial 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.520 life out there in the universe, and at that young 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:51.280 age that just kept pushing me and pushing me and 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:53.840 pushing me, and then Look magazine came out with an 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.920 article about Barney and Betty Hill. They were the couple 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:01.440 abducted in the sixties, and I just couldn't get enough, 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.679 and I just kept pushing myself even more. And uh, 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.560 it has just grown and grown and grown. But I mean, 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:10.960 these things happened to me at a very young age, 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:15.400 and I never stopped. She always gave me alternative medicine 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.040 ideas when I was ten years old eleven years old, 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.280 and I've used that to do a lot of those 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.320 kind of shows on the program. I had an out 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.920 of body experience at eleven years old. I was one 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.000 of one of the rare days I stayed home from 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:32.079 school and I woke up and I'm on the ceiling 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.480 looking down at my body, and I'm going, WHOA, what's that? 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:39.120 At that moment, I snapped back into my body and 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.200 then ended up going to the library to try to 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.320 find a book on what had happened to me, and 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.680 I stumbled into the occult section and they had a 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:50.400 book on astral projection, and on the cover of the 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:55.040 book they had a picture of a body floating above 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.959 a body, and I want gosh, that's what happened to me. 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.000 So I grabbed that book, picked it up, read it, 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:04.880 and just learn more about that. So at a very 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:08.440 young age, I was really grooming myself to all of this. 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:12.640 As far as the topics that you guys talk about, 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.199 I know recently and I know you've talked about this 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:19.160 from time to time, these shape shifters. And for people 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:21.280 who may be listening who don't know that that is 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:26.280 someone who has transformed into an animal. Uh, where does 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:30.480 that rank on coast to coast topics? George, the shape shifters. 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.199 A matter of fact, just recently I did a major 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.360 show on shape shifting. And I think all of us, 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.080 at some point in our lives ben have met people 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:43.160 who have changed right in front of us, not necessarily 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.680 into an animal, but into a different person. I mean, 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:50.080 and uh, these things are strange, but they're out there 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.880 and you know people, And we use the example during Halloween. 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:57.520 People shape shift on Halloween. They get into a costume 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:01.920 and they become that costume, whatever it might be, whether 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:06.800 it's a witch, a dracula, people change, and that is 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:10.360 happening in real life to a lot of people, whether 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:15.520 it's emotional alcohol, who knows what, but they do shape shift. 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:20.440 George Nori, I I gotta ask you. I have a 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.880 buddy of mine who loves talking about Roswell, New Mexico, 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:28.880 and he's convinced that there was a spacecraft that landed 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:32.600 there and the government covered it up and and all that. 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:35.040 I know you also, you guys have talked a lot 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.120 about Area fifty one over the years. That's a big 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:41.319 topic of conversation, the paranormal world and based on doing 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.480 coast to coast And you're, as you said, growing up 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:47.360 interested in paranormal and all that. Do you think that 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:52.320 we've we've been visited here by extraterrestrial George, I mean, 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.360 how many times do you think it's a regular occurrence? 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:58.079 You think all that's just made up? Well, I think 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:00.880 number one, this universe is way who asked for us 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:04.360 to be all by ourselves? And we don't taking God 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.240 out of the equation just for a moment. We don't 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:11.360 really understand why we're here, how we're here. And so 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.000 when you look at the vastness of the University James 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:19.080 Webb space telescope, for example, is sending back glimpses of 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.560 the universe and star clusters being formed and stuff. There's 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.600 no question in my mind that there are thousands, if 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:29.120 not millions, of civilizations out there that have had a 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.800 head start. I mean, we're, you know, our our planets 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.480 four and a half billion years old. The universe is 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:38.439 fourteen billion years old. Jumps start another billion or two 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:42.640 on another planetary system. Who knows what kind of technology 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.120 they have. But I think we were visited in the 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:49.600 Biblical times, the ancient times. I think we're being visited now. 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.880 And I think in the context of the Bible, when 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:57.040 they talk about fallen angels coming down to Earth, who knows, 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:00.640 they could have been talking about extraterrestrials coming on the Earth. 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.800 And there was a great author by the name of 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:07.680 Zecharia Sitchen. He passed away at nine years old. His 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:12.560 theory was that extraterrestrials came to our planet a long 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:17.440 time ago from another planetary system and seated us, literally 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:22.160 created us from what we are now in their image. 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.520 Isn't that interesting? The Bible talks about God making us 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:30.440 in his image. Who knows what's going on, But but personally, 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.720 I believe we've been visited and we'll probably still be visited. 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:36.880 I gotta tell you Georgia. I'm going off topic here 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.480 a bit. But when I look at my iPhone and 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:43.760 the computer technology that we have today, and I think 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:45.880 some of that stuff, maybe it's just me. I think 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:50.559 some of that stuff comes from outside our realm. The technology, 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:55.160 it could be, it could be reversed engineer technology. There 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:59.079 was a late Lieutenant Colonel Philip Corso who wrote a 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.600 book the day after Roswell, and he claims that it 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.280 was his job to take the technology from that crashed 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:11.239 UFO at Roswell and give it to companies to reverse engineer. 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.680 And uh, you know, of course it's no longer with 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:19.920 us anymore, but gosh, that's entirely possible. And maybe that's 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.360 how we got all this technology so fast. Can you 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.320 imagine what we've done in the last hundred years. We 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:29.840 have exploded technologically. I mean, we had people on the 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:33.840 moon in nineteen sixty nine. That's incredible. Yeah, it is. 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:40.240 It is wild. But in in terms of the global community, George, 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.120 and you talk about this stuff all the time, but 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:46.920 are people in the world prepared If let's say the 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:51.360 government's got together in the Western world and said, okay, 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.680 they've kind of danced around this in recent months that 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:59.120 there have been UFOs, we have had communication. How do 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:00.560 you think we were gonna get the whole story? And 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:03.680 how would the world react. It's one thing to say 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:05.520 everything to be fine, but we saw what happened during 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.400 COVID with people running out, panicking, buying toilet paper and 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:10.880 all that. What would the reaction be if if the 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:14.920 people in charge said here's what happened and laid everything out. 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.160 I remember what Jack Nicholson said in a few good Men, 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.280 you can't handle the truth. Well, I think we can 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:25.200 handle the truth. I think most people, if the government 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:28.200 officially came out and said what was going on, would 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.640 probably say I knew it. They'd be ticked off that 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.480 we've been lied to over all these years, but they 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.440 would say we knew it, we we we accepted. And 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:39.920 I think we're at a point now ben where people 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:45.480 would not panic, which they probably would have years ago, 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.600 and that was a concern I think of governments. But 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.200 I think right now most people probably if you went 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.760 on the street today it asked them about extraterrestrial life 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.280 and do they believe it? I would think seven out 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:02.240 of ten people would say, yeah, it's happening. Interesting and uh, 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.680 turning the turning the page on that, George. Over the 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:09.240 last ten years or so, maybe a little less than that, 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:12.240 there's been a lot of people and in our in 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:16.680 our world, the media world, attacking free speech and trying 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:22.040 to limit outside opinions, and the word conspiracy has been 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.120 attacked as you're on the fringes and all that. But 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:29.000 doing coast to coast, you've always welcomes, you talked about 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.520 your welcome free thought, let people talk, tell their stories 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.480 and all that. And how difficult has it been to 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:39.720 navigate all that with outside entities, uh, you know, screaming 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.240 and shouting, how you you're not allowed to talk about that? 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.080 How have you been able to juggle that? We've been 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.480 able to just make it work. I've never been told 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:52.680 by management. I've never been told by outside entities or 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:57.000 organizations or groups not to talk about a certain topic. UM. 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.200 I just try to make sure that when we talk 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:04.600 about something that we're accurate, that we're right. Unless it's 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.879 just a fun topic like a UFO visitation or something 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.679 like that, those are difficult to verify. But when we 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:14.080 get into some serious stuff too, and we've done that, um, 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:17.160 you know, that's where my old newsman and that that 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.800 newsman ability kicks in, and I want to balance things 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.320 and make sure that we get equal sides. I think 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:26.520 one of the problems a lot of cable channels have 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:30.640 done these days is there's just so one sided. Instead 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:35.760 of giving people the story straight and let us decide 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:39.920 what we want. Um, you know, they have force fed us, 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:44.080 and I think that's hurting journalism a lot. Yeah, George, 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.639 you worked at TV and radio your entire life. Here 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.359 as an adult, what do you think it will take 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:51.520 to get back? Will we ever get back? Are we 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.200 is this just a new normal forever? Or or is 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.520 it possible to get back to playing it more down 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:01.919 the middle and not right wing, let wing the extremes 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.720 as you talked about. Well, we need to get back. 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:06.880 I mean, there's no question about that. And I think 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:10.960 people are going to slowly eventually demand it. Uh. And 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.480 you'll be able to tell that by ratings, of course, 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.920 and ratings mean the money for the networks, and if 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:20.000 they start losing their ratings, they're going to change and 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.439 I think that's going to force it in the In 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:26.000 the long run, we're just so as as a nation, 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:30.320 we're so divided, and then you know, years ago you 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:34.000 could be in favor of a politician or individual or 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:37.720 sports figure and talk about it with somebody who was 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:43.160 opposed to you, and and talk about it with great dialogue. Nowadays, 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.320 if you're talking about some sports issue in a bar, 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:48.880 you're gonna end up getting into a fight with somebody. 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:52.600 It's crazy. Yeah, it is in the in the athletes, 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:57.320 every issue, even the most mundane. I know from doing 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:01.320 my show, George, people make it political, like certain athletes 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:05.560 Lebron James, for example, has become a political figure over 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:07.880 the years and whatnot. It's it's wild. I'll be talking 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.920 about something that's I'm talking about sports and I'll get 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.960 people on one political side getting upset with me because 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:17.400 I mentioned that. It's a wild, wild time. But as 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:20.360 far as your experience, and we we all went through 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.800 the COVID thing doing radio shows from home or different 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:28.320 locations and whatnot. But during that shutdown in and how 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:31.719 long that lasted, what was what was your experience like 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.919 dealing with all that and you know, doing the show 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:39.040 night after night and having people who were really scared 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.080 freaking out and all that. How did you how did 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:43.760 you hear that? How did that that go? For you. Well, 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.240 we broke the story back in December of two thousand 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:51.119 nineteen that COVID was in that Wuhan lab, where everybody 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:54.200 else denied it. At that time, it was just I've 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:57.760 always believed there are no coincidences. And when I saw 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:01.080 a little tiny story that said there was a lab 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:05.880 in Wuhan, China that worked on viruses, it just hit 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:08.440 me and I said, this thing didn't happen in the market. 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:12.159 It just didn't come from some tainted bat. And I 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.520 went on the air and said, folks, I really believe 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:18.840 it was concocted and got released accidentally. Never said it 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:22.240 was intentional, but it was made in that Wuhan lab. 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:27.200 And now most people, most people believe that's the case, 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:29.600 even though they still haven't gone to the bottom of 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:33.560 all this. But when COVID hit, it was devastating for 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.040 a lot of people. They stayed home, they had to 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.640 do a lot of different things. But we didn't miss 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:40.639 a beat on coast to coast. I mean, we we 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:44.159 kept with the story. We kept reporting on um. My 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:47.520 big issue at the time was thirty to sixty people 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:50.480 die every year from the flu. But I have not 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:54.440 heard one story of flu deaths in two or three years, 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:57.479 have you no No. And that's the other thing, and 0:20:57.680 --> 0:20:59.639 the thing that really told me a lot. You know, 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.960 my um my dad was sick at the time and 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:05.200 I obviously couldn't he didn't have COVID, but I couldn't 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:06.840 take him to the hospital. They told me not to 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.320 dig him the hospital and it ended up ended up 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:12.480 costing him dearly. But but all the people that have 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:14.880 cancer and other illnesses, they were not able to get 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:18.800 checked up in that for for seven, eight, nine months, 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:21.879 whatever whatever it was, and that just nobody brought that up. 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:23.679 It seemed like they just didn't worry about that was 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:27.160 all about about the COVID stuff. It's pretty pretty wild 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:29.720 how that all worked out. And and we're also seeing, 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.720 i think now a couple of years later, George, the 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:36.879 fallout from that from people still trying to recover from 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:40.400 having their lives shut down. I've noticed absolutely. And now 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:44.000 we're going in the monkey poks. Then it doesn't stop, yeah, 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:45.720 which is well, there's always something for you guys to 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:50.240 talk about on coast to coast, George Nori. Now you 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:53.320 you worked in RAID. I'm fascinated by people in the 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.000 business and how they rise to the top like you have, George. 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:58.679 But yeah, you mentioned you you're in the paranormal as 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:02.000 a kid. You've had a very interesting life experience. You 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:05.760 did TV Big Star in St. Louis before Coast to Coast. 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:10.000 What what is Chiefe? What have you noticed working your 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:12.920 entire life in radio and TV and whatnot. What is 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:15.800 the biggest change in the business that you've noticed over 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:19.600 the years. Consolidation, I think has been one thing. You know, 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:22.560 in the old days, you had a company that owned 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:25.320 a couple of TV stations and a couple of radio 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:27.720 stations and that was it. And now you know, they're 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:32.160 conglomerates all over the place, controlling a lot of stations 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:34.920 and a lot of media. But the biggest change has 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:39.600 been the technology with streaming, podcasting as you're doing now. 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:43.600 These things were unheard of several years ago. Nobody would 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:46.880 even anticipate that. I mean, the poor guys that used 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:50.160 to work at Blockbuster Video that had all these stores 0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:53.959 that are all gone. Now. Some guy probably went up 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:57.040 to his boss and said, you know, what we should 0:22:57.080 --> 0:23:00.320 be doing is beaming these things into people's home homes. 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:04.160 And the guy probably said, you're nuts. And now look 0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:08.440 what's happening. The world is streaming. Technology has changed the 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:13.960 business dramatically. People are listening on their phones. Um, those 0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:17.680 people who have radios, thank god they still have them 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:22.000 in cars. But the technology has changed things dramatically and 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:25.400 we as people in the media need to be abreast 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:28.640