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Speaker 1: Don't quit, give yourself time. Pretos don't make things happen

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Speaker 1: is people who are persistent. Assistance is there forthing?

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Speaker 2: Hey, Hurdlers, Emily about here bringing you Episode one hundred

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Speaker 2: and eleven of Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast where I

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Speaker 2: sit down with inspiring individuals to talk about everything from

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Speaker 2: Simple to inspire you to be your best self, move

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Speaker 2: I am chatting with Alphine Taliamook. She is a profession

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Speaker 2: In today's episode A we chat about everything from her

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Speaker 1: very interested with running, and so she he invited her

442
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Speaker 1: to come talk to me, and Dabie Kennedy came over

443
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,719
Speaker 1: and talked to me, and you know, she told me

444
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 1: that running was something that wasn't going to be there

445
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 1: forever and that she felt like I had, you know,

446
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 1: like the potential to be in the Olympics, and that

447
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: I could always go to nursing school. And so she

448
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: definitely changed my mind mind and she said I would

449
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: even like make sure to mentor you when you go

450
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: to nursing school. She I mean, she gave me a

451
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 1: lot of advices and she basically kind of became my

452
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,959
Speaker 1: Wichita State University mom. And so at that point I

453
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 1: just decided, Okay, I'm going to change my degree to

454
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 1: public health and pursue running. And so when I graduated

455
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,199
Speaker 1: from college, I mean actually in that moment when I

456
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 1: decided that I was going to just do a public

457
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: health degree.

458
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 4: I decided that I.

459
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 1: Was going to run world away in college and that

460
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 1: I was going to pursue professional running. So when I graduated,

461
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 1: I already knew that I wanted to be a pro.

462
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 2: You already knew that you want to be a pro, Okay,

463
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 2: So then what does that start to look like for

464
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 2: you right after that?

465
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: Well, for once, for when I thought that I was

466
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 1: going to graduate from college, I was going to get

467
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 1: a really good contract, I was going to run some

468
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 1: professional road racing and I was gonna kick But well

469
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: that didn't exactly happen. I graduated from college, and then

470
00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:00,040
Speaker 1: I started researching you know, like professional coaches, and I

471
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: thought about moving.

472
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 4: To Eugene, uh, which I'm.

473
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 1: Actually glad I didn't do because at the time, you know,

474
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: you're in the say and I guided it at the

475
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: same time, and I thought about, you know, moving to

476
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 1: Eugene to probably train with her group. I never really

477
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: reached out or anything, but I was because at the time,

478
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are training in Eugene.

479
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I can go train with her.

480
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: And she had you know, like kicked my butt in

481
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: Nty doubullets. But then I was like no, And then

482
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: I a friend of mine heron Lagat, you know, told

483
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 1: me about this coaching Santa Fe, New Mexico, who was

484
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: coaching Caroline Ruetic, and Caroline Ruetic at the time had

485
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: won New York City Marathon half marathon twice and I

486
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: watched one of those races, and then she went on

487
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: to actually win Boston Marathon in twenty and fifteen. So

488
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: I reached out to Ryan, this coach in Santa Fe,

489
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 1: New Mexico. And Ryan actually is is a triathlete Olympian

490
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: from two thousand. So I reached out to Ryan, and

491
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: you know, Ryan was like, Okay, yeah, maybe you should

492
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: visit Santa Fe and trained with us for you know,

493
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,479
Speaker 1: like a couple months and see, you know what happened.

494
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: So as soon as I graduated up, I packed my

495
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: bags and I moved to Santa Fe, New Mexico, and

496
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: to start a new life and sure and if it

497
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: actually worked out, so I stayed in New Mexico for

498
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: like five and a half years.

499
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: Did you do a lot of traveling at all when

500
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: you were in college and in the US for the

501
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: first time.

502
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 4: Well, I mean we traveled a lot to races.

503
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 2: Yes, I asked this because going from Iowa to New Mexico,

504
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: they're two like very interesting and not like crazy densely

505
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 2: populated races.

506
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean we only traveled, you know,

507
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: whenever we had races. But other than that, I didn't

508
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: have a lot of traveling experience by myself.

509
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: So you moved to New Mexico and start this new

510
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 2: training journey, Yeah, and doesn't feel a little bit intimidating

511
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: because it's like you either need to succeed as a

512
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 2: runner or revert back into some other sort of plan here.

513
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was. It was so like interesting.

514
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: First of all, New Mexico, Santa Fe is very dry

515
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: compared to you know, Kansas or like Iowa. There's not

516
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: a lot of trees. It's just a dry, high desert.

517
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,959
Speaker 1: And but Tim Caroline was a very strong athlete. I mean,

518
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: she didn't win New York City have by accident. She

519
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 1: was really strong and she kicked my butter a lot,

520
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: and I was like, geez, it's like I didn't believe

521
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: that there was a woman who could kick my butther

522
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: as much as she did. And so that really propelled

523
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: me to New Heights and my first professional race went really,

524
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: really well. I ran a ten miler in Flint, Michigan,

525
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: met my first ever five thousand dollars and that was

526
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: the sweetest five thousand dollars of my life. That was

527
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: really cool, and I thought, Wow, I actually have this.

528
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: And then, you know, I ran a couple more races

529
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: that fall and actually ended up winning them and made

530
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of money. So I was like, I

531
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 1: think I meant for this. And then I went to

532
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: Kenya that winter and came back in twenty fourteen, and

533
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: things didn't go well. You know, there's of twenty fourteen

534
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: was a big struggle for me, and for the first

535
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: time I questioned, you know, they moved to New Mexico,

536
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: and I thought maybe I should move back to Kansas,

537
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, and go back to my college coach because

538
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: things were going as I was expecting. But then I

539
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: kind of gave myself a chance, and you know, like

540
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: things did turn around eventually and I started racing well.

541
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: And so this is twenty fourteen, twenty and fifteen, I'm

542
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,239
Speaker 1: raising okay, you know, like I'm making a little bit

543
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 1: of money, still struggling to pay my bills. And then

544
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: in twenty and fifteen, I was like, I don't think

545
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: this running is gonna get me to where I need

546
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 1: to be. I'm not able to make enough. So I

547
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: got myself a job, you know, as ak giver up

548
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: with elderly people in their homes, and that really helped

549
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: because then I could pay my bills and still raise

550
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: and I started racing well. And in twenty sixteen, you know,

551
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: like things really turned around for the better for me.

552
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: You know, I started raising really really well at high level,

553
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: and then I got my citizenship and started competing in

554
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: US races and you know, things definitely took off from there.

555
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: In twenty fourteen, when things were quite a bit of

556
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: a struggle, what was it that helped you keep your

557
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: head up and keep pushing forward and keep on racing.

558
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: I think it was just, you know, two things. One,

559
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: I didn't really have anything else that I could do.

560
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't have too many options. I I

561
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: would have had to go to school to be a nurse,

562
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: and of course I couldn't affoord that, and so really

563
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: I had to like continue running and make this little money.

564
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: And two, I had a really good training. You know,

565
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: my coach was very good and the training was going well.

566
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: So it was just that I needed to translate what

567
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: I was doing in training into racing. And you know,

568
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: having Caroline around was very was really good because you know,

569
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: we would push each other and you know, she encouraged me.

570
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: You know, like even for her, there were times when

571
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: she struggled and you know, she encouraged me to just

572
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: continue pursuing, like running things, it's a long time to

573
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: do like yield good you know, like good results, and

574
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: so she just encouraged me.

575
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 4: And I think for me it was just like it's

576
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 4: this is the way that I need to go.

577
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 3: And yeah, I think it's interesting.

578
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: Also it's like until you see that you're capable of something,

579
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 2: or until you push yourself past a certain threshold, sometimes

580
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 2: it feels as though that threshold or that goal is unobtainable.

581
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: So sometimes when you're going through these struggles, it's like

582
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: I just don't know if I can do this. I

583
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 2: just don't know if I can do this.

584
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: But one good run, one good day, it can really

585
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 3: just change it all.

586
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean it takes that one race,

587
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: that one day for you, for things to change for

588
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: you and for you to realize that this was the

589
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: best decision you ever met for you know, for yourself.

590
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: But before you get it, there's a lot of challenges.

591
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think between twenty and thirteen and

592
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: twenty and sixteen, I probably wanted to quit in three times.

593
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 4: Thank god I actually didn't do it.

594
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: And I think part of that is also because I'm

595
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: very passionate about running, not just because it's my job,

596
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,239
Speaker 1: it's also something that I need.

597
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: You start running better and the winds start coming in,

598
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 2: and at this point are you ranking in those sponsorships

599
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: that you were after.

600
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: So I came out of college in like some of

601
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: twenty and fifteen, and I honestly didn't get any sponsorship

602
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: until twenty and seventeen.

603
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 4: So yeah, it was a struggle.

604
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: And like finally in twenty sixteen, you know, I got

605
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: my citizenship and I actually went the US throughout recyc

606
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: IT and I won three of those national championships and

607
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: met a really good living finally, you know.

608
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 4: And then it was also then that you.

609
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: Know, sponsors kind of started spotting me and be like, well,

610
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: maybe she can do it, and actually like going back again,

611
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: like in twenty sixteen, you know, I ran the trials

612
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: and I was very, very fit, I actually thought I

613
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: was gonna make the Olympic team, but it didn't happen.

614
00:29:58,760 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 4: So I was very heart broken.

615
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: And then I pulled my energy and you know, everything

616
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: that I had in the twenty that I had gotten

617
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: into the US Championships that followed late that summer, and

618
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: it led into really good success. And so in twenty seventeen,

619
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: I finally got myself, you know, like a contract.

620
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: Now we're in twenty seventeen and we're but we've still

621
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: got some time until obviously twenty twenty. And what happened

622
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 2: earlier this year, So talked to me about where you

623
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: were mentally. Were you dead set on going to the

624
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: Olympics for the marathon? And talk to me about your

625
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 2: build up for the Olympic trials this year.

626
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I debuted my first marathon in twenty and fifteen.

627
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: It was not good, and so that was spring of

628
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, and then I didn't do anything else until

629
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, Houston twenty and sixteen.

630
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 4: I ran Houston again. It went horribly wrong.

631
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 3: What does horribly wrong mean for you?

632
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 4: Well, so my debut was two thirty four.

633
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: I was doing really well until twenty three and a

634
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: half miles and I fell apart so badly, gosh. And

635
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: then in twenty sixteen for the Houston Marathon, I just,

636
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: you know, like I fell a part of thirteen miles

637
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: or the next thirteen months or the longest of my career,

638
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: and I ran like a two thirty five, which two

639
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: thirty four to thirty five isn't going to get you anywhere.

640
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 4: And then that summer, I mean that.

641
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: That fall, I ran New York City Marathon and I

642
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: actually ran a minute faster. I ran like two thirty three,

643
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: and for the first time I had hope, you know,

644
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I think I can do this.

645
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: I still fell apart, but I felt like it was

646
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: so different, Like I was very strong for like, you know,

647
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: twenty two miles, and it was just the heels that

648
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: just didn't like work well for me. And I was like, Okay,

649
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: I think I can do this. Like it gave me

650
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: a lot of hope. The next year, twenty and eighteen,

651
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: I was supposed to run on New York again, but

652
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: then I got injured, and so like things kind of

653
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: got difficult again for me, Like I started experiencing all

654
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: these sorts of injuries.

655
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 4: That I hadn't had in the past.

656
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: Of course, as a young person, I didn't take good

657
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: care of myself because I was always like, I don't

658
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: have to do this because I'm strong, I'm you know,

659
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: I eat.

660
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Speaker 4: Well, and I have never gotten injured. I was just cocky.

661
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: But then in two thousand and you know, eighteen, I

662
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: got a couple of injuries that really shook me to

663
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Speaker 1: the court.

664
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Speaker 3: What kind of injuries are we talking about here?

665
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: So I had had this achilles problem back in college

666
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: and I never took care of it, and it got

667
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: really bad in two thousand and I was eighteen, and

668
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: it fled up to the point where I can run.

669
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Speaker 4: And at the same time, I had a hamstring problem.

670
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: So I had a hamstring on one leg, and then

671
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: I had a kios on the other one, and it

672
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: got so bad to the point where I was like, Okay,

673
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't think I can do this anymore. So I

674
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: took time off. But then actually early in twenty and eighteen,

675
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: this is the fall. Earlier in the spring, I also

676
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: had a high needed disc on my back and that

677
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: was horrible. Oh that was that's really bad. And then

678
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: the hill from that, and I ran a couple of

679
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: good races and then I had the hamstring achilles problem

680
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: and then I held that and then of course last

681
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: year I had a stress fracky and then I was like,

682
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: I am definitely broken down. But after I came back,

683
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: you know, from my second set of injuries, I started

684
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: training for a marathon again, and then in the spring

685
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: of last year I went to Rotordam, and I mean

686
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 1: the build up went really when of course I had

687
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: already changed you know, training and went to Ben Rosario

688
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: in flaxsuth Arizona, and I thought his training was really good.

689
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: So I went to Rotterdam and I ran six plus

690
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: minute PR and that was when I knew that I

691
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Speaker 1: was meant for the marathon. I mean like I was like,

692
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: I got this, and I still thought I still had

693
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: a lot in me. And then you know, came back

694
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: and ran New York after like six strong weeks of

695
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: training and ran to twenty eight, which was like a

696
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: five plus minute PR for New York City marathon course

697
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: from twenty seventeen, when I was actually like I had

698
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Speaker 1: enough training and I thought I definitely had a shot.

699
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: And the training you know after that, you know, after

700
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Speaker 1: New York, I had like four months before the trials

701
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: and training went excellently wild nothing. I didn't have any heats,

702
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: I didn't miss any training. I did everything I needed

703
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: to do, and I knew that I was ready to

704
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: go on Untilbly twenty nine.

705
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of crazy. I mean, you referenced so

706
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: many different injuries Achilles hamstring. It's a stress fracture. I

707
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 2: think so many people upon getting knocked down time and

708
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: time and time again, it's just so frustrating. I myself,

709
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: I am working through something right now, and so when

710
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: these things happen, it's it's hard, right How did you

711
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: manage to keep your chin up?

712
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 4: Especially with the stress fracture that happened last summer? That

713
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 4: was a hard one.

714
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 1: You know, I had never had any bone injuries before,

715
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: and to be told that I had six to eight

716
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,959
Speaker 1: weeks of not running that was incredibly hard.

717
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 3: And actually where was the stress fracture?

718
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: It was my female I'm like, I'm this person who

719
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: doesn't have any bone injuries and then bam, they injured

720
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: their big bone.

721
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Speaker 4: How we think it's running?

722
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the biggest bone, one that is supposed to

723
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 1: be stronger, you know, get a stress frucktre and I'm like, yeah,

724
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: I mean I already knew that I was weird, but

725
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, even my body knows that, and he wants

726
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: to be weird on me too.

727
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 2: So when you get this, when you get this stress fracture,

728
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: what are you doing to occupy your time? Because going from,

729
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: as so many people can relate, going from running all

730
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: the time, when you hardly even realize how much time

731
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: you're spending on the road to not running, all of

732
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: a sudden, it's like the entire world is the oyster

733
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: that you never wanted.

734
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely.

735
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Speaker 1: I mean, so this happened actually when I was in

736
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: a race in Boston, the BAA ten K. I ran

737
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: that race, and after the race, I didn't feel anything,

738
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: and then I was cooling down and I was like, wow,

739
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: my fema feels really strangely. I mean a couple of

740
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: days before that, you know, I started feeling this thing

741
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: on my muscle. I thought it was a muscle and

742
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: I could massat it out and there was no problem.

743
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: But after the race, I can walk, I couldn't cool down,

744
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: and so on my way home in the flight, I

745
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: already tasted my coat and told him what was happening.

746
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: I see this guy, you know, sitting on the other

747
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: side of the of the plan and he was like kneting,

748
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: and I thought this was so interesting. I mean, I

749
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: guess for long that I hadn't seen a man croshing

750
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: or kneading, and like interesting. Anyways, I get home and

751
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: then I get my I didn't run, and then I

752
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: went and got an MRI while it confirmed that I

753
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: had a stress practice. So the first day I watched movies. No,

754
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: I watched A Grace and Adom in marathon. I went

755
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: on a Grace and atom In marathon and that was

756
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: the long day of my life.

757
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 4: It was so long. I was like, I don't think

758
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 4: I can do this. This is on day one.

759
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: So I came back to New Mexico and I was

760
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: going my partner and I were driving around and was like, hey,

761
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, let's go buy a young store, you know,

762
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: like I need to get some young so I could

763
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: break my hair because I have nothing to do, you know.

764
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 4: And my hair was very sure because I started having

765
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 4: my hair shirt.

766
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: And then while I was there, I saw a crosher

767
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: hook and I'm like, maybe I can actually crosh it.

768
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: So I got myself a couple of yarns so I

769
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: can croche it and that turned out to be one

770
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: of the best things that I could have ever done

771
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: for myself, because I went from wanting to crosher like like,

772
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, like a bag, a small bag, to croching beanis,

773
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: and that summer I ended up making a lot of beanis,

774
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: and then in the fall and winter I started selling them.

775
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: And honestly, looking back, it was the croching that saved me.

776
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what I would have done without the crouching,

777
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: you know, like I needed it more than anything else.

778
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: And did you teach yourself how to do that from nothing?

779
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 4: Well, I kind of knew how to croche it, but

780
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 4: not the crosheer the hat.

781
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,479
Speaker 1: So I found out on YouTube how to cross your hats,

782
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: and I just, you know, I found one pattern that

783
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: looked very good and it was fast to make because

784
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: I don't have like I'm not somebody who is patient.

785
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 4: So I found this one pattern that I really liked

786
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 4: and I just started doing it.

787
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: And I feel like, if I didn't have that crouching,

788
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have been able to

789
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: go through, you know, the.

790
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 4: That injury period.

791
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: It sent with sanity and even today, I mean I'm

792
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: still running, but I still you start crouching as a

793
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: way of coping with what is going on around the

794
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: world right now, honestly, of course.

795
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: And you have actually an Etsy shop which is just

796
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 2: amazing and it has six hundred and thirty five sales

797
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: as we record this, which is just so impressive.

798
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

799
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: I know, I mean it took off like like, you know,

800
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: last year during New York City Marathon, I actually wore

801
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: one of my hats, and then I started advertising more

802
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: and people bought a lot of it for you know,

803
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: like Christmas present, and then this spring, and then you know,

804
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: like and then especially after I won the trials, I mean,

805
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: my store so loud for the first time, and I

806
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: came back and I met all those hats and I

807
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: started reopening the shop again, and then it's so so

808
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: this last one I sold out at two hundred and

809
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: seventy two.

810
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: Wow.

811
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean it's so incredible.

812
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: And like I think part of the thing is right now,

813
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: like so my store, my hats are like a little

814
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: resiliency business because I started doing this, you know, when

815
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: I was going to an incredible time with injury, and

816
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: you know, crosching for me, it was a way to rebound,

817
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: you know, it was my way of bouncing back, and

818
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, it was resilience basically for me, and that's

819
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: how I named it, or that's how the name came about.

820
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: And then now it's like people need some resilience more

821
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: than anything else. And I think that's part of the

822
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: reason why people just want to have, you know, a

823
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: piece of you know, that resilience. And it makes me

824
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: very happy that a whole bit that I started, you know,

825
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: to keep myself saying, I can share with a lot

826
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: of people who can use that too.

827
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 4: That makes me very happy.

828
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: I think that's great, right because for so many of us,

829
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: and I believe that anyone can be an athlete, but

830
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: for so many people that also view themselves that way

831
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 2: as true athletes and they're going out there day in

832
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: and day out, it's kind of hard when you get.

833
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 3: Sidelined to think about what else is it that I

834
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 3: can do right now?

835
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: Right like, you just feel so helpless when you feel

836
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: as though your body has betrayed you. So to have

837
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: a hobby that is just something that's relaxing and calming

838
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: and can help other people, I mean, I think it's

839
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: pretty special.

840
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I mean I think it's very special and

841
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 1: that's what I encourage people to do now. And I'm like,

842
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: if you a sidelined or if you're going through a

843
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: hard time, find a hobby. And if you can find

844
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: a hobby that you can share with other people, it's

845
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: even better.

846
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 4: Like it makes it.

847
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: It makes a difference knowing that you're doing something that

848
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: could potentially help someone else.

849
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 4: It makes a lot of difference.

850
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: Okay, So building into last winter, you're making a lot

851
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: of hats, you're sending some Christmas presents out, and you're

852
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 2: prepping for the Olympic Marathon trial. So talk to me

853
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: about what the phys to go build up.

854
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 4: Was like for that. Yeah, so we ran a lot

855
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 4: of miles.

856
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: So we ran extra marathon in November and then took

857
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: two weeks off. We came back really in December is

858
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: when we started doing some build ups, and January, of course,

859
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: it is when we had our HEAVI years of trainings

860
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: and you know, like I think the highest I had

861
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: was one hundred and twenty twenty five mile week, and

862
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't a lot of those. It was probably like

863
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks of that, but most of our

864
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: mileg was between one hundred and ten and one hundred

865
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: and twenty, which is still a lot of miles, you know,

866
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: especially when you coupled up with going to the gym

867
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: for strength training twice a week. That was a lot

868
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: of work and a lot of really big session workout

869
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: long workouts, you know, like we would have like a

870
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: twenty miles of an alternating pace, like running a six

871
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: thirty and a five thirty five thirty five for twenty

872
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: miles hours long. We would have these workouts well, like

873
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: we would warm more for three miles and then do

874
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: like sixteen four hundreds, and after that you would do

875
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: a three mile tempo, and then after that you will

876
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: do eight times thirty seconds on, thirty seconds off, and.

877
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 4: By the end you're like, oh my god, I am

878
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 4: just like I just want.

879
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: To be done, and then I just tired just hearing

880
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: about it.

881
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, And other times there was a time when we

882
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 4: had this work as well.

883
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: We wonder for two miles, we run ten miles at

884
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: like six twenty to six twenty five pace, and then

885
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: we had in the next ten miles at like marathon

886
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 1: ef food which is like five thirty to five forty

887
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: and two male coldan and right the end you're like.

888
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 3: Oh, my god, Oh my god.

889
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 4: But then all of that, you know, like I was

890
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 4: very comfortable doing them and I got really.

891
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: Fit with it, which is great.

892
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: And so when you're gearing up to head to Atlanta,

893
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: are you feeling confident? How are you feeling mentally?

894
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 4: Yeah?

895
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: So right around a month before the trials, actually, when

896
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant passed away, I think it kind of reminded

897
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: me of how short life can be. And it also

898
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: reminded me of the things that I was sacrificing. Like,

899
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: for instance, you know, I hadn't seen I haven't seen

900
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: my family in over three years, and my partner lives

901
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: in Santa Fe, New Mexico. I'm in flaxt of Arizona,

902
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, doing my best to like make the Olympic team.

903
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: And so I think I kind of it snapped, something

904
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: snapped in me, and I realized that I had everything

905
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: I needed. You know, the training was going really really well,

906
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, but then my mental you know, status was

907
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: not like I was not one hundred percent committed and

908
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: my confidence wasn't there.

909
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 4: And after that, I.

910
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: Felt like I just my strength and like mental strength

911
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: became stronger, and you know, I really believed in myself.

912
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: I believed that I could make the team. I believed

913
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: that I could win the trials, And yeah, I was

914
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: very by the time we went to the trials, I

915
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: was really ready that I was ready. Everywhere you could

916
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: you could think possible.

917
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 2: How do you kind of developed that mental grit, because

918
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: it's one thing to one day have self doubt and

919
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 2: the other day to be like, I've totally got this

920
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: in the bag. So were you doing anything specifically to

921
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: kind of give yourself those mental pep talks or reading

922
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: anything or talking to anyone that really helped you.

923
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

924
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: Actually, so what I ended up doing I seek help

925
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: from a psychologists, a performance psychologists. So I spoke with Shannon,

926
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 1: who had worked with any you student for a long time,

927
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: and you know, she really helped me because like she

928
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: helped me, she helped me reach that part of myself,

929
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: that proud part of myself, that part of myself that

930
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: didn't care, who wasn't the risk, you know, I just

931
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: wanted to go and run and believed in myself. And

932
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: I think it was that help that really changed things

933
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: for me, because when I went to the truck, like

934
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: we did a lot of she one day did a

935
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: hypnosis for me, and basically, like you know, it was

936
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: just this intense visualization of the risk and I vicialized

937
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 1: everything and I felt like at the end of that station,

938
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: I felt like I had won the risk, except I

939
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: still had to do it, but I really felt like

940
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: I had already won the risk.

941
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,479
Speaker 2: Had you been to Atlanta before it all to see

942
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: the course or how did that work out for you?

943
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we went to Atlanta in November to run

944
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: the course, and we knew that it was hard, and

945
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: so we came back and because it was myself and

946
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: my team at Stephanie and Scott that went there at

947
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: the same time, and basically all of our team American

948
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: team actually saw the coast, and so our coach structured training.

949
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 4: So that we all, you know, could do workouts that

950
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 4: were prepare us for this, and so I felt like

951
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 4: we were very prepared.

952
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: Talk me through what it's like when you get feet

953
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 3: on the ground in Atlanta.

954
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

955
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: So I get to Atlanta, I feel prepared, you know,

956
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 1: like training had gone really well.

957
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 4: I was super excited.

958
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: But one thing that I was surprised, you know, like,

959
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 1: I mean, this was one of the biggest trials effort,

960
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: and so We get there on Wednesday night, and on Thursday,

961
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: I meet my teamates to go for a run, and

962
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: then I come back to go get some breakfast in

963
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: the hospitality s with and I see people already decorating

964
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 1: their bottles, and like the mood was just so serious,

965
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: and I start freaking out.

966
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, like this, this is not normal.

967
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: And then that night I slept and I woke up

968
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: the next morning and you know, my code was feeling

969
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: a little tight, and I'm like, what's happening. I was like, Okay,

970
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: I think it's just something small. The next morning, you know,

971
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: like I massaged a little bit, but then it doesn't

972
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: even get better. It gets a little worse, and gosh,

973
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: like I felt like things went downhill from there. Like

974
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: I started feeling you know, some things on my body,

975
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: on my legs that I didn't have before, and I

976
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 1: seriously thought that I was injured.

977
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: You're having flashbacks to that what happened with your with

978
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: your bones after that last marathon.

979
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially this on this was the same leg

980
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: as you know, where I had my stress fractor. It

981
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: was on my fema and I was like, oh, I

982
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: don't know what's happening. I mean this, it's impossible to

983
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: get another stress fractor when you're not even running much,

984
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: but you never know, and I start freaking out. And

985
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: this would have been like, this was the first time

986
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: that I was going to race all the top us

987
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: women like on Decem race, and some you know a

988
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: lot of women had times that were better than mine.

989
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: And so I was like, I don't know, Like, I mean,

990
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: training had gone well, I was feeling good, but then

991
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: now my body is giving up on me. And this

992
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: is like the biggest rast of my life so far.

993
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: You know, I started freaking.

994
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 3: Out, started freaking out.

995
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 2: Okay, but the day comes and it's a windy, windy

996
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: day in Atlanta.

997
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 3: Talk to me about highs and lows of the course.

998
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: So when two days before the race, my coach and

999
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: I talked and you know, we kind of looked at

1000
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: what the weather would look like, and it looked like

1001
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: it was going to be cooler, but it was going

1002
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: to be windy, and you know, it didn't even seem

1003
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: like it was gonna be that windy. And so I

1004
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: was like, as long as the weather is not great,

1005
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: I think I have a chance of actually doing well.

1006
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: Because what I was worried about, was like, the race

1007
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 1: will go off and people will just take off really

1008
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: really fast, and it will be a race well like,

1009
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: you'll go too fast and suffer, and this is a

1010
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: course where you don't really want that to happen. But

1011
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: then race money comes around and it's very windy and

1012
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: it's way cooler, and I was like, I got this,

1013
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, I like this. Of course I'm feeling all this.

1014
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 1: You know, many injuries in me too that I'm freaking

1015
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: out with, but in terms of the weather, I thought

1016
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: it was great.

1017
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 3: Okay, So I mean spoiler alert again. You go on

1018
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 3: to win the trials that day. Talk to me about

1019
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 3: how it feels to cross that line.

1020
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 4: Wow, I mean res goes off. You know, I feel good,

1021
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 4: and then we start very slow.

1022
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: But then by the time we come through the first loop,

1023
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, I feel strong, especially on the appeals, and

1024
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: we come around on the second loop, I still feel strong,

1025
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: and the that loop, I still feel really strong, and

1026
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: I was.

1027
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 4: Like, I think, this is you know, my day.

1028
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: And then we pull away with Molly's sidel and I

1029
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 1: definitely know that I'm going to you know, like make

1030
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: the team. And then at some point, you know, between

1031
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: Myles twenty four and twenty five, I was like, okay,

1032
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 1: this is said, I'm gonna give myself the best shot

1033
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: to win, and I pull away, And when I picked

1034
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: my American flag with about six hundred minutes to go,

1035
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: it felt great. It felt so surreal, and I think

1036
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: I kind of, you know, like lost, like I was

1037
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: not even like conscious of what was happening. And I

1038
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: crossed the finish line and I'm still trying to figure

1039
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: out how I felt. But I'm still lost in it,

1040
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: Like it still feels surreal, it feels like it's something

1041
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: that happened to someone else. It's really weird because it's

1042
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: like you look forward to this day, you look forward

1043
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: to this win, and then it happens, and then you

1044
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: just don't know how to feel. I think my body

1045
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: is still in shock because like, even though I prepared

1046
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: myself to go meet the team to go win the risk,

1047
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: I think as soon as it happened, my body just

1048
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 1: went in the shop like did this really happen?

1049
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 4: Like how did this happen?

1050
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: Like it's it is interesting. And I also think that

1051
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why even though like you know,

1052
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: we pulled away with Molly and I knew that I

1053
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: was going to make the team. I think that I

1054
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: still was worried that well, something wild still go wrong,

1055
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: so that I didn't actually give myself enough time to

1056
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: celebrate during the risk. Yeah, I'm still trying to figure

1057
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: that out. But it was just amazing to cross that

1058
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: finish line. I mean, I remember smiling so big to

1059
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: cross staf finish line, and after today, when I talk

1060
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: about it, I feel like I'm dreaming.

1061
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: And at this point now the Olympics have been pushed

1062
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 2: off to twenty twenty one. But did you ever think

1063
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: that you would truly be able to represent the United

1064
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 2: States on that kind of stage.

1065
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: I believe that I could, but I didn't really know.

1066
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: So my friend Janet Balcom two thousand and twelve Olympians,

1067
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, she would come high and her husband will

1068
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: come to my house every Friday night for dinner after

1069
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: they came back from work at the Grand Canyon, and

1070
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: we will talk about what it is like to be

1071
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: an Olympian. You know, she will tell me how she

1072
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: felt going into the opening ceremony, how it was it

1073
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: felt like being the Olympics, and how being an Olympian

1074
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: is something that you will always have and I just

1075
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: will listen to them and imagine myself and imagine how

1076
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: it feels like. But now that it is a reality

1077
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: for me, gosh, I don't even know.

1078
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 4: Again.

1079
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where I'm like, I don't

1080
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: even know how I feel, But I know one thing

1081
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: for sure.

1082
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 4: I know that I am so.

1083
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 1: Excited for the day when I will receive my uniform

1084
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: from a USA Track and Field, and for the day

1085
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: where we will actually live to go to Tokyo, and

1086
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: for the opening ceremony and the actual risk.

1087
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 4: I'm really looking forward to that.

1088
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: I think when I think about that, it makes me

1089
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: realize that I actually am gonna like I met it,

1090
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: you know, and that I'm going to represent.

1091
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 4: The USA, and I am so excited for that.

1092
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 3: How does it feel for you that it's been pushed

1093
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: back a little bit right now.

1094
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: You know?

1095
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Speaker 4: Immediately following the announcement, I was very disappointed. I was

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Speaker 4: very bummed.

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Speaker 1: I felt like crying, but then I didn't, like I

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00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: can cry my I felt like my throat was very constricted.

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Speaker 1: I had a really big lump, and I couldn't explain

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Speaker 1: why I was feeling that way. For a long time,

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Speaker 1: I think a few weeks past, and even now I'm

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Speaker 1: still struggling with that. But you know, I think I've

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Speaker 1: come to terms with it because I know that the

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Speaker 1: reason why the Olympics was postponed was because of something

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Speaker 1: that was beyond our control. And you know, the more

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Speaker 1: I have watched the news or listen to the news,

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Speaker 1: and you know, knowing that a lot of people lost

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Speaker 1: their lives, it's like it was the writing. Absolutely, I

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Speaker 1: have no doubt in my mind that postponing the Olympics

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Speaker 1: is the right thing to do.

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Speaker 4: Of course, I was still.

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Speaker 1: Disappointed, but now though, I'm beginning to kind of worry more.

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Speaker 1: Like I think, once I came to terms with the

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Speaker 1: fact that it was postponed, I saw an opportunity, you know,

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to run a fall marathon, an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: even probably run a spring marathon. And you know, since

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Speaker 1: that was only my six marathon, I was like, having

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Speaker 1: two more marathons under my belt before the Olympics would

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Speaker 1: be great. But now, as you know, time goes by

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Speaker 1: and I see what's happening, I'm beginning to get worried

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Speaker 1: again because it's like things are not getting better as

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Speaker 1: fast as we would have wanted it to, and there's

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Speaker 1: a chance that the rest of this year we're not

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Speaker 1: going to raise And I even read something that said,

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Speaker 1: you know, like, who knows, we might not even have

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Speaker 1: the Olympics next year, and so that freaks the hell

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Speaker 1: out of me.

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Speaker 2: Aside from your athletic pursuits, I'm sure there are things

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Speaker 2: that you do want to do in your personal life.

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Speaker 3: What do you think comes after running?

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Speaker 1: For me? I just celebrated my thirty first year birthday

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Speaker 1: the other day. You know, my partner and I have always,

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Speaker 1: you know, have this had this bream of wanting to

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Speaker 1: have a family, and actually we planned on, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: going to the Olympics this year and then you know,

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Speaker 1: possibly studying a family, and with the Olympics being postponed,

1137
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, we are left wondering what to do. And

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Speaker 1: it's very hard because you know, like we're not getting.

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Speaker 4: Any younger, and.

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Speaker 1: Now thinking that the Olympics, you know, reading this thing

1141
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: that the Olympics might not happen, and especially a couple

1142
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: of days ago we saw the Berlin Marathon has been canceled,

1143
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: and we just don't know, and then we keep hearing

1144
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: these things, well maybe in the fall and in the winter.

1145
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: You know, they might be a resurgence of this virus

1146
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: and combined with the fluid, it could be really bad.

1147
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: And we just don't know how bad it's going to

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00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: be and how it's going to be. And so when

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00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: you think about the fact that the Olympics has already

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00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: been postponed, and that is hard, But then now imagine

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00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 1: being told that it might not even happen and you're

1152
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: waiting on this. You're putting your life on hold for this.

1153
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: It's like, what if you wait and then next summer

1154
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: they say, well, we assolate the Olympics.

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Speaker 4: It's not going to happen.

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Speaker 1: It's just not possible, especially with everything else that is

1157
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: going on, like financially, you know, we are going into

1158
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: a place that we've probably never been and everything is

1159
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: just going downfall. It's like, Okay, you put your life

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Speaker 1: on hold hoping the next summer happens. What if it

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00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: doesn't happen, then where do you go to? I honestly,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean at this point, I'm just lost.

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Speaker 2: Right, I hear you, And I think a lot of

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00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 2: people are feeling this way, whether it's their big goal

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00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 2: of going to the Olympics, and other athletes or other

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00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 2: life pursuits similar to yours, and having a family, and

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Speaker 2: other people that want to get married, and people that

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Speaker 2: are hoping to take off their careers. I mean, it's

1169
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 2: just we are all truly going for a loop right

1170
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Speaker 2: now and then unverseen and never before traveled place. And

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Speaker 2: I think, as I'm sure that you know, as you

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Speaker 2: spoke about, you know, helping other people and giving back,

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00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 2: that the best thing that we can do in so

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00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 2: many ways right now is just to lean on each

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00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: other for that source of strength.

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Speaker 3: So where are you getting your strength from?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm getting my strength from knowing that

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00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: a lot of people are going through this and there

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00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: are people in worse situations that mind, and so I'm

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00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: in a better place. I get my strength, you know,

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00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: from my family, you know, from my partner, from my teammates.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: I get my strength from crushing you know, and being

1184
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: able to share my love for croushing with other people.

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00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: I just get my strength, I guess from around me.

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00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of things, there's a lot of

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00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: positives that you can still get your strength from. And

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Speaker 1: I also get my strength, you know, from the that

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Speaker 1: I can still go outside and run, and running is

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Speaker 1: something that I really need and I could use and

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00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: I'm still able to do that, and so that that

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Speaker 1: that holds me together.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, right now.

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Speaker 2: When you think about the best advice that you have

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00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 2: been offered in your athletic career, what would you say?

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Speaker 3: That's then.

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00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: I think patients, honestly, patience and time. Like, for example,

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Speaker 1: right now, time is everything. We just have to wait

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Speaker 1: and be patient, you know, like control the things that

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00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: you can control. You can't really like, yes, I worry

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Speaker 1: about the fact that the Olympics might not happen, or

1202
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: this fall might not happen, the races might not happen.

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00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: But I can only control what I can control, which

1204
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: is still be able to go out and run and

1205
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: you know, maintain my social distancing, you know, to make

1206
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: sure that I don't get this virus and or give

1207
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Speaker 1: it to someone else if I want like a symptomatic

1208
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: and stuff. So I just control my attitude, control you know,

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00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: the things that I can control, and still go about

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00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: my life in terms of running and you know, talk

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Speaker 1: to other people and try to encourage artists.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can totally appreciate that. Another question that I

1213
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: love to ask here on the podcast. Obviously, when people

1214
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Speaker 2: go to your social media pages, they go on over

1215
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 2: to your Instagram account, they see a woman that touts

1216
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Speaker 2: being the twenty twenty you as Olympic Marathon Trials champion,

1217
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: a strong runner. When you look in the mirror, what

1218
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 2: is it that you see looking back at you.

1219
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 4: I see a woman who is very resilient.

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00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: I see a woman who was able to leave a

1221
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: family at a young age, you know, to come to

1222
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: America to pursue this dream that she didn't even know

1223
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: she was gonna attain. I see a woman who has

1224
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: become so much. I see a woman who is very

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00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: passionate about inspiring artists, especially inspiring the next generation of

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00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: young athletes, you know, to believe in themselves, believe in

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00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: what they are doing, and to believe that they can

1228
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: do it, you know, as long as they wanted putty bad.

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Speaker 1: I see a woman who wants to help a community,

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00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: you know. I see a woman who wants to be

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Speaker 1: the best athlete she can be, a woman who wants

1232
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Speaker 1: in figure to be the best mom she can be,

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Speaker 1: a woman who in Figa wants to be the best

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Speaker 1: healthcare provider she can be.

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Speaker 4: And one day she will be yes, and I see

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Speaker 4: an olympian. Of course you love that.

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Speaker 3: I love that, all right, Eli.

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00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 2: I mean, well, when you right now, think back to

1239
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 2: let's say twenty sixteen, you were going through some pretty

1240
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 2: hard stuff. You were wondering if you should keep up

1241
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: with this running thing, if maybe it was time to

1242
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 2: pursue your other interests. When you look back on that time,

1243
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 2: if you had one piece of advice to offer yourself

1244
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 2: going through that Hurtle moment right now, what would it be.

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00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: I think one piece of advice that I will have

1246
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: told myself then is don't worry about things you can control,

1247
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, give yourself time. Give these time, see what happens.

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01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: Give yourself two months, give yourself three months, and see

1249
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: what happens. You know. And that is something that I

1250
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: also tell to my friends, you know who maybe they're

1251
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: going through a hard time, you know, like running is

1252
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,479
Speaker 1: not happening the way they want. I'm like, don't quit.

1253
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: Give yourself time, you know, don't be a quitter. Twitters,

1254
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: don't make things happen. You know. It's like these people

1255
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: who are persistent, Persistence is everything.

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Speaker 3: Persistence is everything.

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01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so so much for your time and

1258
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 2: your energy and I know that we are all excited

1259
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 2: to support you and however the next year and change

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01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: shape up.

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Speaker 3: Yes, thank you, Elphin. Where can we find you on

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01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 3: social media? How can we keep up with you?

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01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: So? You can find me on Twitter at Alpine Tulium

1264
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: Move it's only missing the cave for my last name.

1265
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: And on Instagram you can find me, you know at

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01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: Alphin to Lamuk. On Facebook it's Alphin to Liamuk.

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Speaker 3: Too perfect all right, Well, I am at Emily Abadi.

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Speaker 3: Another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time