1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge. Obviously, a difficult day in a 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: difficult week for Ravens fans. Wednesday was one of the 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: saddest days in Ravens history. A difficult day for current players, 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: employees and coaches, and a really challenging day for former 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: players and coaches and Ravens fans who have watched this 6 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: team for a long time. Jalen Ferguson passed away and 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: Tony Saragosa passed away. Just to really it's one of 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: those kind of surreal days that's hard to put it 9 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: all into words, uh and process it. I know that 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: a lot of Ravens fans are just, you know, really 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: really sad um and being in the building here, it's 12 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: been one of those just just a difficult twenty four 13 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: hours um that everybody is kind of trying to to 14 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: process and make sense of. And uh, I'm joined today 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: by Clifton brown Um and we're gonna share some thoughts 16 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 1: about Jalen and all so Tony Sara Goosa. We had 17 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: a chance to catch up with Kevin Byrne, a long 18 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: time head of public relations here who knows Tony Saragosa 19 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: really well, to get some really good perspective and stories 20 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: from him. Um. But but let's start with Jalen. Your 21 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: stomach drops when you find it out the news and um, 22 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: just really really tough. Absolutely, what do you make of 23 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: just a really hard day. Yeah, I was actually on 24 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: my way to the office and I got a text 25 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: from you informing me of the awful news, and it 26 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: was shocking. And one of the first thoughts I had 27 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: was that I have a son, Alex, who was the 28 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: exact same age as Jalen Ferguson. So it really hit 29 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: home for me that how young Jalen Ferguson is, because 30 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, I think of my son is being so long, 31 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: so young, I should say, and he's the same age 32 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: as Jalen. And it was just another awful reminder of 33 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: how fry of your life is for all of us. 34 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: The you know, these athletes, they're so big and strong, 35 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: the guys we watch every day, I think sometimes we 36 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: forget you know, that they're vulnerable too, and that you know, 37 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: life is fragile for them too. And so, um, we 38 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: were all thinking about with jail and and how good 39 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: he looked at many camp out. This was gonna be 40 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: a big season for him, and he looked like he 41 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: was more than up to the challenge. And now you know, 42 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: that's the last thing we're thinking about, and you know, 43 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: our heart to going out to his friends and family 44 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: and everyone who knew him. So yeah, it was just 45 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: another reminder that, um, you know, life is fragile and 46 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: that you know, all of us, no matter what we do, 47 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: we should not take the days we have for granted. Yeah, 48 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: no doubt. I think you know, Jen, I think that 49 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: stands out to me about him is and he'd been 50 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: here for three years and all the interactions that I 51 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: had with him, I would describe him as an easy 52 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: going guy who always had a smile on his face. 53 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: And that was something that was a common theme as 54 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: you saw the outboring come out from his teammates and 55 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: coaches yesterday, that that really stood out. You know, people 56 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: described him as a as a someone who had just 57 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: a positive attitude, uh, kind of great outlook and was 58 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: fun to be around. You know, I thought this quote 59 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: from Tony Jefferson, uh, kind of summed it up well. 60 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: He said Jay f had the most had the most genuine, 61 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 1: genuine energy I've ever been around. Before I left after 62 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: Mini camp with the locker room, he expressed how he 63 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: was ready to have a big year and I believed 64 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: he was going to have his best season as a Raven. 65 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: He will be watching over us, I know it, and 66 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: he will bring this team closer from just the mark 67 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: that he left. He will definitely be missed. We love 68 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: you for dog. May you continue to say contageous energy 69 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: to this team every day. We will need it to 70 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: get to where we want to go. You will never 71 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: be forgotten in Jesus name. So I just think that 72 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: like that kind of summed it up, you know, Tony 73 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:59,839 Speaker 1: saying he had the most genuine energy of a guy 74 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: that he's been around. Um, And like I said, I 75 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: think of him just kind of easy going, happy guy, 76 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: always a big smile, and also had a real care 77 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: for the people in his life and his community. You know, 78 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: that was something we were just talking about for for 79 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: listeners who don't know, when Jalen was drafted on draft weekend, 80 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: he was spending that time helping people in his community 81 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: who had just suffered a hurricane, right right, I mean, yeah, 82 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: that's something that I was reminded of reading yesterday and 83 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: and all the tributes coming in that the mayor of 84 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: russ and Louisiana was commenting about how much jail and 85 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: helped their community after that hurricane, and it was a 86 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: time of life where, yeah, he had just gotten drafted, 87 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: you know, instead of celebrating his own success and historic 88 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: moment in his life, he was helping other people who 89 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: were going through some tough times. And that definitely speaks 90 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: to the type of character that that Jalen Ferguson had. 91 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: He was always thinking about other people. It wasn't for show. Um. 92 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: That's something that those people down there will never forget 93 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: and there will be a lot of people that even 94 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: though Jalen Ferguson didn't live a long life, he's going 95 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: to have a lasting impact. What he meant two people 96 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: he interacted with, Those people in Louisiana will never forget him. 97 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: It's obvious that his teammates, playing with him for three 98 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: years and some of them even shorter, we'll never forget him. 99 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: And that's that's the heck of a legacy to leave. 100 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: It's just very sad and difficult that he didn't get 101 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: a chance to do more and have more time. Yeah, 102 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: I think that the the impact that he left on 103 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: teammates was was definitely significant. Patrick tweet Patrick Queen tweeted 104 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: when the news came out yesterday that Jail was the 105 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: last person that he talked to leaving the facility. Spent 106 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: almost every day and Saunter together trying to see who 107 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: was gonna last longer, so that this was our year. 108 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss you, bro. You know, I think that, 109 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: like he is somebody who was really well liked on 110 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: this team. Um, and his loss touches a lot of people, 111 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: and certainly, uh no more than his family, and our 112 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: our thoughts and prayers are with his family as they're 113 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: going through this really difficult, really difficult time, and our 114 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: condolences go out to them, you know. And then obviously 115 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: later in the day of the news comes out about 116 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: Tony Saragosa and it was just like it's one two punch. 117 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: It's hard to hard to wrap your head around. And 118 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: so with Goose, you know, he was his playing days 119 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: happened before either of us were here in Baltimore. But 120 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: I'd had a handful of opportunities to interact with him 121 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: or interview him over the years when he would come 122 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: back for events, and you know, he really was one 123 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: of those larger than life figures that when you think 124 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: of the Ravens and you think of that two thousand team, 125 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: and you think of just great personalities in NFL history. 126 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: Tony Saragos is on that list. And any any time 127 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: that I ever had a chance to be around him, 128 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: you came away from it thinking, like, man like Tony 129 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: Saragosa is exactly what you'd expect him to be. Like 130 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: he that persona. Uh, he carried himself like you saw 131 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: on Hard Knocks and like you saw as a sideline 132 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: reporter on Fox, Like That's how he was every single day. 133 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: And uh if I always really cherished the time that 134 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: I spent with him, But somebody who spend even more 135 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: time with him was Kevin Burne. And so we want 136 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: to go ahead and jump into the conversation that we 137 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: had with Kevin about Tony. All right, now, we're welcoming 138 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: in former Ravens longtime head of PR Kevin Byrne. Kevin, 139 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: thank you so much for doing this. Obviously, just a 140 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: really difficult, sad day in Raven's history that I think 141 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: we're all kind of processing. And one of the reasons 142 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: you know that we wanted to call you is is 143 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: you've been with this organization since the beginning and you 144 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: knew Tony Sara Goosa in this organization as well as 145 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: as anybody, and I would I remember when I first 146 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: started and we would sit down to lunch, Kevin, and 147 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: you would, uh, you would always pull out a Tony 148 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: Sara Goose story, it felt like, and that that was 149 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: always like one of the highlights. If I got a 150 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: Goose story out of you, that was always kind of 151 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: a highlight of a lunch conversation. And uh, I know 152 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: you have so many of them, So thanks for joining us. 153 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: Just how kind of how difficult is it to sort 154 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: of make, you know, process these last twenty four hours here? 155 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: It was really hard. It was more emotional than I 156 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: thought because as the day went on yesterday, the I'd 157 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: hear from more players and coaches from that era and 158 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: got on the phone. Actually Rick Ryan called was the 159 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: defensive line coach at that time, and he and Goose 160 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: had stayed close through the years and and we both 161 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: got it, you know, kind of broke down during the call. 162 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 1: So it it's um because Goose was larger than life 163 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: and he was still close to us. You know, we 164 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: just had the event in Baltimore, uh three weeks ago, 165 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: and what we spent you know, a full day with 166 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: Tony and he was one of the all time great 167 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: characters in the game. And somebody like you indicate Garrett, 168 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: you think about then he brings smiles to you, to 169 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: your face because he he wandered and enjoy every day. 170 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: He was looking for opportunities to disrupt somebody else and 171 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: and and laugh at at somebody else's expense and sometimes 172 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: his own. But it's uh uh. We reminisced a little 173 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: bit about that with various people yesterday. So, Kevin, something 174 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: that stands out to me about Goose is and I 175 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: didn't know him nearly as well as you did, but 176 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: I had, you know, several interactions with him over the years, 177 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: is that he would make you earn it, like he 178 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: would eat, like if you were doing an interview with him, 179 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: if you were having a conversation with him, like he 180 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: was intimidating, and he would make you earn it. But 181 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: like underneath that kind of are intimidating shell Uh, there 182 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: was this guy who had a great heart, and I 183 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: feel like you have kind of learned that over the 184 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: years for sure. Well, I remember we had a player 185 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: Fernando Smith, the defensive end on that Super Bowl team 186 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: two thousand and unfortunately, his apartment in Owen's Mills caught 187 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: on fire just two days before Christmas and he lost 188 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: everything in the in the place. And he had two kids, 189 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 1: or maybe three kids. But I remember Goose took the 190 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: presents from under his own tree for his own kids 191 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: and took him over to a hotel where Fernando was 192 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: staying and having Christmas with his family in a hotel 193 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: by themselves in Christmas Day and Goose shows up with 194 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: the presents for the kids food that they were having 195 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: at their house that day. And and that was I 196 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: think typical of it. You know, he was rough and crude, 197 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: there is no doubt, but but he did a lot 198 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: in the community and for his fellow fellow teammates and 199 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 1: the and the one thing that sticks with me too 200 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: is through the years since you know, those early two thousand's, 201 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: Goose would call and he goes, hey, I was talking 202 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: to and be somebody from that era, and he goes, 203 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't like what I was hearing. You 204 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: guys need to check on him a little bit, you know, 205 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: see how he's doing. And and actually, you know, we 206 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: we were able to find out some players who were 207 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: having some difficulties and and and help them out, mainly 208 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: because Goose had stayed in better contact with him than 209 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: than the Ravens had, which says something about Tony. Yeah, 210 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: Kevin has always been one of my beliefs that great 211 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: teams need strong personalities, and certain Tony was one um that. 212 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: Two thousands and even with players like Ray Lewis and 213 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: you know, Shan his are. Can you just talk about 214 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: how important it was for someone to have someone like 215 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: Tony who held guys accountable and also was respected by 216 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: everyone in that locker room, and how much he wanted 217 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 1: to win because we talked about a sense of humor 218 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: and how funny he was. But to me, when the 219 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: game started, he was a guy who was just ultra 220 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: ultra competitive, ultra competitive Cliff and just playing tough. It's 221 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: a tough man's game, and there are people who are 222 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: tougher than others. And Goose was a big man who 223 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: was fearless. He had great quick hands, and he played 224 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: on game day, you know, and he he would show 225 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: up and he'd look around and they and say, look, guys, 226 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: we're the baddest people on the planet. Let's go show him. 227 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: Let's show him on the first play that they don't 228 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: want this the rest of the day. And uh and 229 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: people would rally around that, even with guys like Ray Lewis, 230 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: you know behind him, or Rob Burnett and Michael McCrary outside, 231 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: and then Sam Adams who was lined up next to Goose. 232 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: Sam Adams was a great, great talent, first round pick. 233 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: Uh And while Goose was a free agent signing when 234 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: he started in the league, and Sam Adams was a 235 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: great athlete, but Sam looked a goose to set the 236 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: tone and he was just he was a tough guy. 237 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 1: He was a smart player who could read offenses and 238 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: and get to the spot or hold alignment so that 239 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: Ray could knife in there and get a guy into 240 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: the backfield. But he led that way, and then you know, 241 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: he brought humor to it. You know, you think about 242 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: the two thousand teams. We have five games in a row. 243 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: We would go on to win a Super Bowl, of course, 244 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: but we don't score a touchdown, and we went two 245 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: of those games by Matt stover field goals. And so 246 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: I go down to the sideline, as you guys remember 247 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: for the last two minutes of the game, because we 248 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: have to start organizing what we have to do in 249 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: the post game. And so I'm going down there with 250 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: stands to the edge of the bench area and uh, 251 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: and match Stover is coming up because he's going to 252 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 1: go kick to the winning field goal, hopefully after he's 253 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: kicking the ball into the nat and the mask standing there, 254 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: and you know, you don't look at him, you don't 255 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: talk to him, because he's got to keep his focus. 256 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, the shadow comes over. Goose 257 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: is standing next to him and and he begins a 258 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: series of sentences that through a lot of curse words, 259 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: and he's basically saying, listen, you little talking to Stover, 260 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: you better not miss this kick. In fact, if you 261 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: miss this kick now I'm I'm avoiding a lot of 262 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: words the editor version. Yes, if you miss this kick, 263 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: don't come back to this sideline because I will hurt you. 264 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: I will physically hurt you. So you understand what I'm 265 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: telling you. So go make the blank kick and let's 266 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: live happily ever after. And uh, and you know Stover 267 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: would just be standing there, you know, not looking at Goose. 268 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: He'd run out there and kick the winning field goal. 269 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: And so it happened a second time. You know, like 270 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: a few weeks later, and Goose is doing the same 271 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: thing to him, you know, and and and I'll he's 272 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: cursing Matt's family. I'll get your children, you know, if 273 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: you missed this kick. So I asked over like that 274 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: Monday that week, and I go, does he always do that? 275 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: And Matt goes, he doesn't have practice too. He he's 276 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: trying to get under my skin, you know, and uh 277 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: and uh, but he can't. And he said, but I 278 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: love him, and I think he loves me. But I'll 279 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: add one, I'm not so sure. So now we were 280 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: going to the a f C Championship in two after 281 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: the two thousand season. We're going out to play Oakland, 282 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: and we've got a bigger charter now for this flight. 283 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: And uh and so we put the oldest veterans in 284 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: the first class up front and and then have a 285 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: couple of us, you know, uh uh so called executives. 286 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: We get like four or six seats up there too. 287 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there with Dennis Mannon, who is our 288 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: vice president of sales and marketing, and so Goose comes on. 289 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: He looks so he goes, hey, Kevin, and he says, 290 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: who's that guy? Sitting next to Year. So then I 291 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: Dennis has worked for for years. I go, you know, 292 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: Dennis Manning, he's every vice president of sales and marketing, 293 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: because not and I've never seen him. And he goes, hey, Pat, 294 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: you the point that Dennis, he goes getting the back 295 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: he can't sit up here. You can't. All of a sudden, 296 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: were since we're good, come up here and sit with um. 297 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: And then Dennis, you know, try to say, well, you know, Goose, 298 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: you know I've flown all year, but they usually haven't 299 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: sitting in the bag. He goes, yeah, go back there 300 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: and just go back, And so I go, Tony, let 301 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: him alone. He's gonna be fine. He's gonna sit here 302 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: while Tony's doing that. Behind Tony Stober comes on the 303 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: jet and he's one of the senior veterans, so he 304 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: gets the first class sat. So he's sitting in the 305 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: second row on the aisle and Goose backs up and goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, 306 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: what are you doing? He looks at Matt he goes, 307 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: what do you mean what am I doing? He goes, 308 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: you can't sit up here, And he said, he said, Goose, 309 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: I have more years in the league than you do. 310 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: He goes, you're not even a football player, You're a kicker. 311 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: Get in the back, you know, And so I go, oh, 312 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: we're gonna have a situation. Then matth is, I'm not moving, 313 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: and then he says, oh, yes you are. I'll pick 314 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: you up and take you to the back. And so 315 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: so we're going good leave him alone. He's won some 316 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: games for it, and uh yeah, I think a lot 317 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: of people like what I think of Goose. One of 318 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: the things that comes to mind immediately is hard knocks 319 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: and in him given Todd Heap, the rookie, Todd Heap 320 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: a hard time, and didn't he steal Shannon Sharp's car 321 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: and move it, you know, at some point during hard 322 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: knocks or move it to a different spot. He would regularly, 323 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: uh regularly steel cars. He particularly aimed at rookies. So 324 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: you know, he would be in and he would get 325 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: some ball boy you know, and say hey, go get 326 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: go steal his car keys out of his pocket. So 327 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: Goose would never be accused of stealing car keys. And 328 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 1: then the guy would come out well after practice in 329 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: two days and you know, and looking for his car 330 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: on the car would be gone and would usually be 331 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: like a shopping mall about a mile away. And uh, 332 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: so the guy would file a police report stolen and 333 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: and so you know, a security would help. Then finally 334 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: security was figuring out and then would just go to 335 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 1: tole to is this a stolen car or do you 336 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: have the car somewhere? So that was not uncommon. But 337 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: he did it, Shannon, because Shannon um got Goose's truck 338 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: and you had it towed and and but that was 339 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: only after Goose had locked Shannon in the trailer, the 340 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: tight end room trailer. So one night Goose left the 341 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: defensive line meeting with Rob Burnett. They got to leave early. 342 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: Veterans got to leave early after the review of practice, 343 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: and the young guys had to stay in. And so 344 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: they got this big wooden wheel and they jammed it 345 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 1: into the side door of this trailer, so you couldn't 346 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: get out, and uh and so Shannon couldn't get out, 347 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: and that became the same as scene whe they're interviewing Shannon, 348 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: he told, I watched my restitution, and then his restitution 349 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: was that he had Tony's car Toad. And then Tony 350 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: then a few days later was able to somehow get 351 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: the keys to Shannon's car and Shannon's car disappeared, so 352 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: had made training camp a little more hazarded but entertaining. 353 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: When uh you found out or when Tony went into TV, 354 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: I was curious to get your thoughts on did you 355 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: have any inkling that when he was done he might 356 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: do some TV work and as a sideline reporter and 357 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: as he ended up doing for Fix, And did you 358 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: ever have any fear watching Tony on TV that you 359 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: know so many things that maybe it wouldn't be appropriate 360 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: the air, It might slip out right because his language 361 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: is was a little different than some of us. Here's 362 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: a great preseason preseason story. He's working for Fox and 363 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 1: what Fox did They didn't have much typical sideline reporter 364 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: where the reporter was stayed near the bench, and so 365 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: they used to put him in behind the end zone. 366 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: And and um Bob Stinner was the producer, was also 367 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: Maddeness producer prior to that, and he had a great 368 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: eye for for television. He he understood right away that 369 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: Goose really understood the game. And Goose said, if I'm 370 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: in the end zone or in the corner of the 371 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: end Zoe, I could see plays and I can help you. 372 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: So the game alive, Mike, so he could say they're 373 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: coming right side now, They're going to run the ball 374 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 1: right side now, and he was uncanny that way. So 375 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: he's doing a preseason game in California, you know, excuse 376 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: me in Carolina, Carolina Panthers games, and he's back the 377 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: end zone and hands are right behind him. So he 378 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: had sometimes turned off his mic and talked to the fans. 379 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: So he turns to this one fan and he says, listen, 380 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: if Carolina scores a touchdown on this play, you win 381 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: a car. I think. I goes really, he goes, yeah, 382 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: you win a car, and so then boom, you know, 383 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: he went on with the game. And so it was 384 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: late in the game and the guy keeps yelling at 385 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: Doos after because Carolina scored the touchdown on that play. 386 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: He goes, you know, how do how do I get 387 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: my car? Where do I go? If somebody kind of 388 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: comes see me? He's yelling at Grus and could just 389 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 1: boost ignores him and leave. Well. The guy then goes 390 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: to the newspapers in Carolina, you know, and says, don't 391 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: Saragos came up to me and said that I want 392 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: a car if they scored a touchdown that plane and 393 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: they did, and then he wouldn't talk to me. But 394 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: I want my car, and so I don't know with 395 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 1: Fox or the Panthers, but somebody ended up making some 396 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: sort of compromise with this guy. At least I gave 397 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: a down payment on a car. But Douce sometimes didn't 398 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: have a stop sign and he so you know, he 399 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 1: just turned like you was, hey, hey, pal, you want 400 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: to win a car? He last question, Kevin, because this 401 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: has been, uh, just fun to hear these stories. Obviously 402 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: that you know Goose is back here. You mentioned it 403 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago for the event for the thirty 404 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: um that ESPN is doing, and he had a chance 405 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: to sit on stage with three Lewis and Marvin Lewis 406 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: and Brian Billick and other members of that team, and 407 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: obviously nobody knew at that time you know that was 408 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: gonna be you know, last time that that group was together. 409 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: You moderated that conversation. Um, just how good was it 410 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: to see that group together and to talk to Goose 411 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: and that night, um and and how meaningful was that 412 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: to you? Oh? Very You know, first of all, there's 413 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: it's it's Shannon Sharp Portray Lewis, Rod Woods and Marvin Lewis, 414 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: Jamal Lewis, Trent Dial for Brian Billick, Uh, Jack del Rio, Um, 415 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: it was a fantastic night and uh and Goose was 416 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: just terrific and telling some stories. It was like that 417 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: behind the scenes on the two thousand team. And I'll 418 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: make it a little personal, he says, while on Stay 419 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: Diet said something and then Goose said something like, hey, 420 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: let's not forget you know, any points that made this 421 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: guy was important to that team too, which was really nice. 422 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, because we're in the we're the 423 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: background guys, and we don't we don't get that, especially publicly. 424 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: So after the show, we're back, we'd go back to 425 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: the green room at Meyer Hawk and I and my 426 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: my youngest son, who's you know, almost forty years old, 427 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: was back there too, and so he reminded me of 428 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: this last night. He since dad my last in memory 429 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: of Tony Sara Goose's youth, thanking him for saying those 430 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,479 Speaker 1: nice things on stage. And so I'll try to do 431 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: this in a way I could say it on the podcast. 432 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: So I say the Goose that was really nice. You know, 433 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: people like me, we don't get that very often. And 434 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: he turns to me and goes, hum blank, you you know, 435 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: he like that with a smile, and then he walks 436 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: over and kisses me on the top of my head. 437 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: And this is my son. Connor was saying, this is 438 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: my lasting memory showing that goose uh and my relationship 439 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: by this exchange in the in the back room after 440 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: the thing. And so you know, I hadn't thought about 441 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: that all day yesterday, but that that was my final 442 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: touching point with with Tony, and so it's very very meaningful. 443 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: So it was a tough day, tough day for a 444 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: lot of us, tough day for the Ravens nation. And um, 445 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: you know, his father died at a young age and 446 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: he was always worried about it, and he wanted to 447 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: get his kids to adult adulthood and he would talk 448 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: about it, you know when and they could Tony, You're 449 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: gonna live a lot longer than your dad. You're gonna 450 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: take care of Yourself's gonna work out and do all 451 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: the right things. You're gonna keep you wait down and 452 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: all that. And he goes, yeah, I know what my 453 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: jeans are. And so he was a guy who lived 454 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: life to the fullest. He was a guy who didn't 455 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: anticipate that he would be an old man someday, and 456 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: it unfortunately turned out to be true. Mm hmm. Well, Kevin, 457 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: it's been pretty powerful to hear some of these stories 458 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 1: and hear your perspective. Um. You know, when when we 459 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: were thinking about having this conversation, you were one of 460 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: the first people that I thought of, because I just 461 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: know you have these great stories in this relationship with 462 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: Tony and members of that team, and I'm just so 463 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: glad that we got to have this and thank you 464 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: for for Sharon and open en up like this. Well 465 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: then I appreciate it. Derek and Cliff, you know, it's 466 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: it helps to talk about it a little bit now 467 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: to help all of us deal with the emotions of 468 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: losing a good friend and losing somebody so special uh 469 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: in Raven's history. Absolutely, thank you, Kevin. Thank you so much, 470 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: so thanks to Kevin for joining us. I just enjoyed 471 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: hearing some of the stories. Kevin just he just one 472 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: after another. He has. He has such a vivid way 473 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: of describing things where while he's talking, you can picture 474 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: the moment in your head as if you were there, 475 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: and uh, I know one one of Kevin's favorite sayings 476 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: is you know about it's not about you know what 477 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: your relationships that are important in this business. And yes, 478 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: as a guy who you know it's with the Ravens 479 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: from the beginning and a great person himself, Kevin built 480 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: so many relationships with people in the front office, coaches 481 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: and players. Um, if you spend time working for the Ravens, 482 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: it was impossible not to get to know Kevin Burn 483 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: well because he kind of made it his business to 484 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: get to know you well the people that he worked with. 485 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: And certainly, you know, it's obvious the feeling that he 486 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: had for Tony, Sara Gooser and as you've we've all 487 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: mentioned how big his personality was, Sura Goose was unique. 488 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: He wasn't uh, copying anybody's footsteps, He had his own. 489 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: He's they broke the mold when when Tony was made 490 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: So Yeah, to have someone with Kevin's insight and the 491 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: way he can describe thing is about people, I think 492 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 1: it was really really really interesting to hear what he 493 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 1: had to say about Tony and yeah, really kind of 494 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: described the type of person he really was. Yeah, you know, 495 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: the last thing I'll say about it is, and Kevin 496 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: touched on this. Tony certainly had he cared about everybody 497 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: that came through this door, and he really wanted to 498 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: make sure that, like everybody who had a hand in 499 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: making the Ravens what they are today, all of his 500 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: former teammates, you know, kind of got their do and 501 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: whether that was keeping tabs on guys and and trying 502 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: to stay updated on what they had going on, or 503 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: people who may need support in a variety of ways, um, 504 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: or just making sure that his teammates kind of got 505 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: the recognition. Like we all know some of the key 506 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: guys you know of who built this team. But but 507 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: Tony was somebody who wanted to make sure that you know, 508 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: it wasn't just a few people who made the Ravens 509 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: what they are today, It was you know, lots and 510 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: lots of people. And uh, he want to make sure. 511 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: I had you know, some interactions with him where he 512 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: made that clear that he wanted to make sure that 513 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: everybody got there due And um, I think that tells 514 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: you about the type of person that he is. As 515 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: much as you know, he would be the center of 516 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: attention in any room that he walked into because of 517 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: his big personality and his humor and all that. He 518 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,479 Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that everybody got the respect that 519 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,479 Speaker 1: they deserved, and I think that tells you a lot 520 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: about the type of person that he is. So thanks Cliff, 521 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: It's it's um. You know, it's been a difficult twenty 522 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: four hours, but it's been good to talk through it, 523 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: good to talk with Kevin and um Ravens fans. Thank 524 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: you very much for listening.