Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast Looking for a flawed Woman.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansons. I come to you still
Speaker 1: a virtual room, and I'm already field park sister. Great,
Speaker 1: here we go, starting spinning forward, no combined obviously this
Speaker 1: week Pro Days ramping up, and free agency next week
Speaker 1: the draft after that. It's all happening. I'm waiting to
Speaker 1: see if it happens, because it it doesn't feel like
Speaker 1: it yet. I do feel like the NFL has been
Speaker 1: a little bit on pause, waiting to find out what's
Speaker 1: up with the salary cap stuff. There's there's franchise tag
Speaker 1: might get to like, is there a chance free agency
Speaker 1: gets delayed? I don't even think that's off the table.
Speaker 1: It's a little it's still is very covid a acted.
Speaker 1: I feel like right now, I'm not sure what's I mean.
Speaker 1: I just the chance to sit down in my own
Speaker 1: home this time and watch one Pro Day after the next.
Speaker 1: Is it's the stuff of the adult dreams um and
Speaker 1: just to cycle back on the on the money tag
Speaker 1: to open the show. You can't find a flawed women.
Speaker 1: They don't. They don't. Women don't have flaws. That's I've
Speaker 1: always felt that, and especially don't look at me that
Speaker 1: way like you know that's that's a fact that I
Speaker 1: just unfurled. And we will not get Gregg to chime
Speaker 1: in on that. On the topic he speaking of money,
Speaker 1: I want to introduce a special guest sitting on in
Speaker 1: on today's episode. Yes, he is a renaissance man, is
Speaker 1: what he is. Uh. He is an NFL Network star.
Speaker 1: In fact, he uh co helms the Power ranking show
Speaker 1: on NFL Network. But he's also one half of the
Speaker 1: shock jock team Petros and Money Sports. And he's also,
Speaker 1: of course the voice of the Los Angeles Chargers, Yes,
Speaker 1: you know who we're talking about, also the voice of
Speaker 1: God post that Money Smith. Welcome back. Oh it's great
Speaker 1: to be here, gentlemen. Thank you for for inviting me.
Speaker 1: What what an honor to occupy one of these four
Speaker 1: squares with a sweet, hasty lick. I'm that in some
Speaker 1: colorful course from what I when I envisioned being like
Speaker 1: a nice Stevie Ibanez, you know, and those strings being
Speaker 1: tickled by Steve I or Eric Johnson, just a guitar
Speaker 1: of the ship. I know, I love it. I love
Speaker 1: it and it's still going. I do. Uh, it must
Speaker 1: be tough for you though. Money. You have all these
Speaker 1: jobs where you gotta be super professional and it's still
Speaker 1: going and uh still going. Stevie, Yes, in the in
Speaker 1: the corner um that was good paid out. My brother
Speaker 1: was a big Stevie by guy big guitar. Do not
Speaker 1: be back in the eighties. Uh. But like you've got
Speaker 1: all the serious jobs money where you've got to be
Speaker 1: like the host and keep things moving. And then as
Speaker 1: Dan mentioned, you've got like the shock Jack roll where
Speaker 1: you just are mixing it up and calling guys losers
Speaker 1: and you know, trying to get as much negative attention
Speaker 1: as you can. It's weird, that's economy. I would you
Speaker 1: know what. I'm a pushback on that immediately, Greg, because
Speaker 1: I like to think that that that that would that
Speaker 1: would lend me to believe that you've never really listened
Speaker 1: to the Petros and Money show. There is certainly negativity,
Speaker 1: but I think the negativity is more self deprecating in nature.
Speaker 1: And then it is all encompassing, all encompassing. It's we
Speaker 1: we go after everyone everything, and then as we throw
Speaker 1: that boomerang, it comes right back and hits us. Upside
Speaker 1: the head tenfold because we realize our great failings through
Speaker 1: the course of our forty plus years on her. Now
Speaker 1: I say that because I appreciate it as opposed to like, um,
Speaker 1: you know my um home state, like Boston the sports
Speaker 1: radio there, it's a nice it's a nicer flavor here.
Speaker 1: We do like by the way, we do often like
Speaker 1: to play hips from Felgar and mass Uh. It is.
Speaker 1: It is fascinating, like but they're they're clips that you
Speaker 1: wouldn't think any radio show would want to play like
Speaker 1: we have because we used to be a national show
Speaker 1: for I don't know, like four or five years. And
Speaker 1: now you know, with the advent of apps, people can
Speaker 1: listen to us anywhere or any place that we're bummed
Speaker 1: to see us go away or maybe moved out. You know,
Speaker 1: they're their California ex pats, and they will tip us
Speaker 1: off to hey, check out this clip from Felgar and
Speaker 1: Mass and and it's like them fighting with their interns.
Speaker 1: It's one of them like basically claiming like I'll fight anybody,
Speaker 1: I will fight all of you, and I'll beat your
Speaker 1: ass that kind of stuff. And there it really is.
Speaker 1: It's like, wait, people are still doing radio this way
Speaker 1: and then they take calls and they argue with callers
Speaker 1: for like twenty minutes. This is really weird. As someone
Speaker 1: who does listen to the show quite frequently, I think
Speaker 1: that the term shock jock is misupplied. So I'm with you, Money,
Speaker 1: I think that if anything, there's a openness between you guys.
Speaker 1: You're constantly taking jabs at each other, and don't sleep
Speaker 1: on the sports knowledge the sport talk. It'll sneak in there,
Speaker 1: and we appreciate that. Say it's very u sessed by
Speaker 1: the way, is the embodiment of what we want the
Speaker 1: Petros and Money show listener to me And I would
Speaker 1: imagine you guys want the around the NFL podcast to be,
Speaker 1: and that is father son bonding. I think that is
Speaker 1: something that we can all relate to when it comes
Speaker 1: to sports radio or podcast. There is something pretty damn
Speaker 1: cool about this particular topic that, for whatever reason, no
Speaker 1: matter what the lines of communication are between father and son, awkward,
Speaker 1: totally fine, sports seems to be the one path where
Speaker 1: where dad and lad can can really get along and
Speaker 1: chew it up and enjoy the same sort of production.
Speaker 1: That's well said. I absolutely agree with that and money. Um,
Speaker 1: like I said, Voice of the Chargers. But a man
Speaker 1: that's very plugged in to the entire uh National Football
Speaker 1: League and also has a high level of draft knowledge.
Speaker 1: I mean, the man is going to be a huge
Speaker 1: asset to today's show because we're gonna have some fun. Um.
Speaker 1: Oh but did I mention I'm blushing. The man is
Speaker 1: also um, you know, he dabbles in the stock market.
Speaker 1: He's like one of those guys. It's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I dabble and it pays for his house by the ocean.
Speaker 1: Um here in California, we're gonna do some buy sell
Speaker 1: stock stuff. I called stock stuff. That's an industry term. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on the NFL offseason, looking ahead, whether it's free agency,
Speaker 1: the draft, really anything within the world of the NFL
Speaker 1: as we spend forward toward season. Uh so we're gonna
Speaker 1: have some fun there. But before we do that, let's
Speaker 1: get going with some news and Holley Woods calling for
Speaker 1: the movie rights, singing, Hey baby, let's keep in touch,
Speaker 1: Hi baby, let's keep in touch. The money is a
Speaker 1: music guy. Uh to the now, I'm already singing I
Speaker 1: want you to reach me. And now I got freaking
Speaker 1: around in my head and uh, Cessler, you know Cessler
Speaker 1: on the weekends, and we had just had a three
Speaker 1: day weekend and it was nice. You know, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get text dispatches throughout the weekend on a variety of subjects.
Speaker 1: There was a Blues Traveler wormhole that Cessler went down,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know if you had any Blues Traveler
Speaker 1: story money. Actually, Blues Traveler was a big, big fight
Speaker 1: at K Rock when I was in the music department.
Speaker 1: Um our program director Kevin Weatherley just never got into
Speaker 1: kind of the roots rock that had taken hold in
Speaker 1: the early to mid nineties. Hated Dave Matthews band, hated
Speaker 1: Blues Traveler, hated Toad, hated Widespread Panic, like and and
Speaker 1: so it was like one of my first moments of
Speaker 1: pushing back at the big boss. You know, I was
Speaker 1: just at the time, I was just a college kid
Speaker 1: and I you know, we I was trying to get
Speaker 1: him to play um oh god, what was the name?
Speaker 1: A song? A lot? I told her I loved but anyway,
Speaker 1: but it was I was from the first Blues Traveler record,
Speaker 1: And he was like, we this this isn't K rock, bro,
Speaker 1: this isn't k rock. This is this this doesn't sound right.
Speaker 1: This would never sound right here. And I remember just saying, well, um, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't sound right in your BMW, but in
Speaker 1: the fraternity house where we're throwing parties, Uh, this is
Speaker 1: a song that really gets everybody excited. So either we
Speaker 1: can go with your method of deciding what is working
Speaker 1: with the kids or my method of what's working with
Speaker 1: the kids. We never played but anyway, and um uh
Speaker 1: yes I lost that battle, but but we did end
Speaker 1: up playing. Run Around was the first Blues Traveler song
Speaker 1: we ended up playing. I wanted to play hook, we
Speaker 1: didn't play that. We ended up playing run Around. Now
Speaker 1: what a song? First concert I ever went to Blues
Speaker 1: Traveler somewhere in Connecticut. Maybe Stamford have very hazy memories
Speaker 1: of the night. Um, not only because it was twenties
Speaker 1: something years ago, but because of what else occurred on
Speaker 1: that night, exactly a big pop up. All right, let's
Speaker 1: get into the news and let's start. We find we
Speaker 1: have our Greg by the way, is looking on with
Speaker 1: great disgust, like when when when are we going to
Speaker 1: talk about Yola tango? That's just me, I'm out numbered here.
Speaker 1: But it's like history proved the guy with the BMW right.
Speaker 1: I think ultimately that's oh no no no no no
Speaker 1: no no. Uh. That record with that record with hook
Speaker 1: and run Around ended up selling three million copies and
Speaker 1: was a huge ault rock hit. I think they actually
Speaker 1: still So this is the way radio for those if
Speaker 1: like look people that think you can call up a
Speaker 1: radio station and asking to play something. That's not how
Speaker 1: it works. Every single song is scheduled at every single minute,
Speaker 1: and there's a specified flow, there's a formula, there's research,
Speaker 1: there's all this crap we put into it that truly
Speaker 1: makes no sense. But when you can actually deem something
Speaker 1: a success, and I promise I will end with this
Speaker 1: and you guys can take back your podcast and my
Speaker 1: great apologies. But when something is deemed a success is
Speaker 1: when it goes into the category called power recurrent, which
Speaker 1: means it's current status. You have basically played through the
Speaker 1: current um. The current status of the song is kind
Speaker 1: of expired, it's gotten old, but it's so good and
Speaker 1: was deemed such a success that it will appear once
Speaker 1: to twice a day, every single day in this power
Speaker 1: recurrent category. And run Around was one of those songs
Speaker 1: that ended up becoming a k Rock power recurrence. So
Speaker 1: often you'd find Travis Hits would would get into that
Speaker 1: power recurrent category as well. Yeah, why does it always
Speaker 1: rain on me? Exactly right? Um, and you should know
Speaker 1: money before we dive into the news that in this
Speaker 1: era of pandemic virtual um togetherness, Greg has a resting,
Speaker 1: disgusted face, so it's tilted down. But now like, well
Speaker 1: that's the thing. If you hadn't brought me in, then
Speaker 1: the show moves along nicely. But then you have, and
Speaker 1: I have to just be honest that it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I still don't like that song. Didn't like it? Then,
Speaker 1: don't you know, don't need to hear it now? I
Speaker 1: just you don't like you don't want to hear that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: As a as a regular listener of the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL podcast, I feel like Greg gets away with far
Speaker 1: too many zings and then people be quiet because they
Speaker 1: just want to move on and they're like whatever, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to fight every Greg zing because this podcast
Speaker 1: will be six hours long if we push back on
Speaker 1: every single one. So do we really have to do
Speaker 1: news or talk? I always want to do this for
Speaker 1: the next this is I just wanted to establish that
Speaker 1: Greg Zings will be met with another level. Even though
Speaker 1: now I'm like, if people are watching the video component,
Speaker 1: I'm so small compared to Greg, which is funny, right,
Speaker 1: it's kind of I believe that qualifies his irony because
Speaker 1: I look so tiny compared to him in this virtual
Speaker 1: world little camera magic. Greg paid demand thirty dollars to
Speaker 1: give him maximum size in his box. All right, I'm done,
Speaker 1: I'm now a follower. My apologies. All right, let's get
Speaker 1: into work. Listeners, don't no apologies. We love having money
Speaker 1: here and we have our first franchise tag. It is
Speaker 1: Justin Simmons, the safety who's gonna make a cool thirteen
Speaker 1: point seven million this year because it's the second straight
Speaker 1: year he's playing on the franchise tag. We'll see maybe
Speaker 1: the Broncos and Simmons reach along term deal by July.
Speaker 1: But this is a man um Greg who has always
Speaker 1: done the job in the secondary uh in Denver, and
Speaker 1: now they keep him in house. Most likely it could
Speaker 1: be a tagging trade. You never know, but it looks
Speaker 1: like they're moving forward with Justin Simmons. Yeah, he would have.
Speaker 1: He would have been the best safety on the board
Speaker 1: in free agency. The big news here is what you
Speaker 1: said about it being the first one though, Like that's
Speaker 1: the weirdness. We're taping this on Monday. The deadline was
Speaker 1: supposed to be Tuesday. I was guessing or somewhere in
Speaker 1: the neighborhood of ten franchise tags and uh, you know
Speaker 1: the rap reports of the world they're reporting they might
Speaker 1: push back this deadline. No one still knows what the
Speaker 1: cap is. It's all a bit of a mess. Like
Speaker 1: that's that's the most interesting part of this is all
Speaker 1: these other guys that were kind of waiting to see
Speaker 1: whether they're gonna hit free agency or not. A lot
Speaker 1: of guys who we expect he'll get tagged, like a
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin or dak and Scheck Bear. None of it's
Speaker 1: happening yet, That's what I mean, Like it doesn't people
Speaker 1: like watch out for the blood bath veteran. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I don't see it yet.
Speaker 1: It's not happening yet. I think the term was massacre,
Speaker 1: but um right, I hear what you're saying. Massacre. It's
Speaker 1: like the same amount of people are gonna get caught
Speaker 1: as usual, by the way. That's that's my predict Like
Speaker 1: guys who the teams didn't want. I don't think it
Speaker 1: would be a tag and trade because doing a little
Speaker 1: research last week on this for a written piece that
Speaker 1: is exploded by the way, and if it's just it's
Speaker 1: doing very which pieces that very well, it's a free
Speaker 1: agent fits. And I actually suggested that the Broncos don't
Speaker 1: get too uh you know, cute, that they just stay
Speaker 1: right at home and signed Simmons and then five minutes
Speaker 1: after I published it, he got franchise tag. Not just
Speaker 1: was strolling around my house thinking I've nailed this, but um,
Speaker 1: George Patton, their new GM if you want to call
Speaker 1: him that, why why wouldn't you call him that? Well,
Speaker 1: because I I tend to agree with Dan is some
Speaker 1: degree that always presence sort of hovers there like unforgotten,
Speaker 1: like ben Kenobi figure he's in control and I'm the
Speaker 1: the e n theory which is like which so wants
Speaker 1: to be more like John Elway doesn't want to do
Speaker 1: any work anymore and he really tried to quit and
Speaker 1: they like almost didn't let him. I think he's I
Speaker 1: think he's at the I think he's at the auto
Speaker 1: dealers and on the golf course. So I don't think
Speaker 1: he's getting involved anymore. You may be right or wrong.
Speaker 1: You know. By the way, I love that, Mark, I
Speaker 1: love that you you threw in that your article is
Speaker 1: doing huge numbers, because honestly, who's gonna double check going forward?
Speaker 1: Every time I reference an article on NFL dot com,
Speaker 1: like oh, by the way, and this was, I'm really
Speaker 1: humbled by it. Just monster metrics. Well, it's it's it's become,
Speaker 1: it's its own thing. It's become sort of a sensation,
Speaker 1: and you just ride the you write it all right.
Speaker 1: I think kids called that going viral, believe making its
Speaker 1: way through the chat snap world. It's got a couple
Speaker 1: of stories on a Graham Uh. You know, people are
Speaker 1: way into this thing, and you know you mentioned that
Speaker 1: it's a little bit weird what's going on right now,
Speaker 1: Greg with the lack of players being tagged and the
Speaker 1: talk of a massacre in terms of cutdowns of veterans.
Speaker 1: It is very strange what's going on um around league
Speaker 1: when you look closer, like per over the cap when
Speaker 1: you talk about it, there's been a lot of talk
Speaker 1: about the salary cap moving down, which it will be
Speaker 1: UM if you look at this year, the average according
Speaker 1: to over the cap um cap space per team with
Speaker 1: free agency a week away is at thirteen million dollars.
Speaker 1: Last year it was forty three million dollars. So this
Speaker 1: is we are in a different, weird COVID related space,
Speaker 1: even if it feels like things aren't quite as grim
Speaker 1: from a COVID nineteen stance from last March to this March.
Speaker 1: In the NFL, it is still turning everything upside down.
Speaker 1: And speaking of um massacres, there have been some cuts.
Speaker 1: Kyle van Noy, who the Dolphins spent money at big
Speaker 1: money on to bring UH from the Patriots last offseason.
Speaker 1: He was released after one ineffective year in Miami. Richie
Speaker 1: incognito he gets released. That could be from by the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Could be the end of the line for the thirties
Speaker 1: seven year old guard who's had an interesting career, But
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. Alex Smith, as we know UH,
Speaker 1: the quarterback and comeback player of the year, he was
Speaker 1: officially let go by Washington. Jared Cook, the tight end
Speaker 1: of the Saints that we might be outside the window now,
Speaker 1: boys where people talk up Jared Cook this time of
Speaker 1: year in free agency, maybe that ship has sailed. But
Speaker 1: we'll see Golden Tate and the Giants and their business
Speaker 1: together after two years, and Gabe Gabe Jackson also let go.
Speaker 1: Any of those names money jump out to you as
Speaker 1: guys that you know could be a value pickup and
Speaker 1: free agency, well, you know, I think, you know, before
Speaker 1: we get the value picks. I think it's just interesting
Speaker 1: that the Raiders, which you know, having seen them twice
Speaker 1: a year calling Charger games, you know, kind of the
Speaker 1: the foundation of that offense was that offensive line. It
Speaker 1: was just mammoth, you know. And and you guys can
Speaker 1: all attest to this. When you have access to to
Speaker 1: being able to get on the field, it's just a
Speaker 1: different level when you're that close to individuals. And when
Speaker 1: you would walk, you know, on the field during Raider
Speaker 1: games and you would see Incognito and Hudson and Jackson
Speaker 1: and Trent Brown and Colton Millery were like, my god,
Speaker 1: these guys look like they are bigger than any defensive
Speaker 1: line that they face. So the idea that three fifth
Speaker 1: of them are gonna be gone. Trent Brown's gone. No
Speaker 1: one's gonna trade for that contract. He's gonna be gone, though,
Speaker 1: So I think when you lose, you know, incognito. You know,
Speaker 1: Jackson and and Um and Brown. I don't know what
Speaker 1: that means for that offense, which I felt like, look,
Speaker 1: and this could be my Charger bias coming out, but
Speaker 1: I just felt like it was celebrated far more than
Speaker 1: it really deserved. You know, when it needed to win games,
Speaker 1: it wasn't able to win games. It like put up
Speaker 1: a lot of yardage and they just weren't able to
Speaker 1: score touchdowns when they got into the red zone. When
Speaker 1: they needed to win a game and have the ball
Speaker 1: at the end of the game, they would seemingly never win.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if they're trying to adjust what
Speaker 1: they're doing, but I do know, you know, that's a
Speaker 1: team and I think this just kind of building on that.
Speaker 1: I think I do think there could be a massacre
Speaker 1: come and I really do because I think teams that
Speaker 1: aren't cash rich and this will speak to our stock
Speaker 1: conversation later. You know, when you're in times of trouble,
Speaker 1: you want to find, you know, companies they're cash rich
Speaker 1: that can weather the storm. I think the Raiders were
Speaker 1: a team that we're expecting to have a packed house,
Speaker 1: season tickets, licenses park, and they didn't have it because
Speaker 1: they certainly spent like it last summer, right, I mean
Speaker 1: with the linebackers and their hand and all these extensions
Speaker 1: and spending cash, and then all of a sudden they
Speaker 1: have none of that income. So I think that's teams
Speaker 1: like that. I think you're gonna start to see cuts,
Speaker 1: more cuts coming because they're not able to pay the
Speaker 1: bills and they're not able to convert you know, those
Speaker 1: roster bonuses to signing bonuses because they have to scratch
Speaker 1: out a fifteen million dollar check the day they do it,
Speaker 1: and they're just not able to do that. So I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna start to see more of that here
Speaker 1: in the next couple of days. And one quick little
Speaker 1: item off of that, when you look at over the cap,
Speaker 1: I think one of the big numbers is all these
Speaker 1: teams hugging that line how many players they have under contract?
Speaker 1: And one team that stands out to me, and I'll
Speaker 1: keep it quick, but like the Atlanta falcon are in
Speaker 1: the red and have like thirty nine players under contract.
Speaker 1: Most of these other teams are in the fifties or sixties, Like,
Speaker 1: how do you solve that problem? You don't even have
Speaker 1: enough players to field a team? And you're in the red.
Speaker 1: Have fun, have a fun, have a fun time with
Speaker 1: that Atlanta Felkons, right, they I still don't want to
Speaker 1: like see the players when people say, like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is a unique year. All these guys are gonna get
Speaker 1: starts showing me the players that teams wanted to keep
Speaker 1: that they cut. Like, give me the example. Now, one
Speaker 1: happened today, the one you didn't mention. Dan Carlos Dunlap.
Speaker 1: He played really well for the Seahawks at the end
Speaker 1: of last year. He's a good pass rusher. He's thirty two,
Speaker 1: but he played great in ten. He kind of did
Speaker 1: the closest thing the NFL has to James Harden and
Speaker 1: kind of just didn't seem to try too much and
Speaker 1: got his way out of Cincinnati, and like he was
Speaker 1: gonna make fourteen million, and then in the Seahawks are
Speaker 1: in cap and there's no way he could make that.
Speaker 1: In free agency, he'll probably make seven eight millions, so
Speaker 1: that they cut him, Like, but that's the first one.
Speaker 1: All these other guys, the Raiders don't want those guys.
Speaker 1: But you're right, that's the sea change. They were the
Speaker 1: highest paid offensive line in the league. Money and Trent Brown,
Speaker 1: who you mentioned. They're they're trying to trade him. He's
Speaker 1: a good right tackle when he's healthy. But they're trading
Speaker 1: three fists or cutting three fists of that offensive line,
Speaker 1: and they're they're gonna be a lot different all those
Speaker 1: other guys that they didn't want. Van Noy was was
Speaker 1: a bit of a surprise to me. But for fifteen
Speaker 1: million dollars a year, I guess they just weren't with it.
Speaker 1: I think the thing, sorry, Dan, I think the thing
Speaker 1: with van Noy too like to me for those and look,
Speaker 1: I don't pick sides on the player empowerment owners. Should
Speaker 1: you honor the contracts? Should you not? Those things are
Speaker 1: so individual. I don't know the nuances album, so I
Speaker 1: never try to pretend like I do and pick sides.
Speaker 1: But I think for all of those that are are
Speaker 1: pushing on, well, you know, Deshaun just signed that contract
Speaker 1: six months ago. It's it's bs that he's he's not
Speaker 1: honoring it. Well, Kyle van Noy just signed a four
Speaker 1: year deal. I mean to uproot his family from New England,
Speaker 1: moved them all the way down to Miami. You would
Speaker 1: not assume that one year in you're gonna get booted
Speaker 1: after signing that Okay, he was okay exactly. So it's
Speaker 1: like to me, it's like, hey, if you want to
Speaker 1: push back there, then push back here on the other
Speaker 1: side as well, which is why I never push either way.
Speaker 1: I just sit in the middle and watch. That's a
Speaker 1: nice way to play it. And yeah, Van Noyd, maybe
Speaker 1: that would qualify Greig as a guy that is affected
Speaker 1: by what's going on with the salary cap because he wasn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just that he was in effective last he
Speaker 1: was beat up and injured. So you wonder if if
Speaker 1: things were different, if they had a little bit more
Speaker 1: wiggled room to play with, they would give him another shot.
Speaker 1: I was surprised by it, but that to me, just
Speaker 1: because they have some cap space and they want to
Speaker 1: get aggressive. I think the Raiders maybe want to get aggressive.
Speaker 1: That just tells me they don't think he's very good.
Speaker 1: Like if they thought if they thought he was as
Speaker 1: good as he was when he signed that contract, he'd
Speaker 1: still be there. Flora is getting a bit of reputation,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like he'll he'll he'll change gears pretty quick.
Speaker 1: Not I don't think that's a bad thing, but he's
Speaker 1: he's switched out his coordinators each year. He switched out
Speaker 1: his players, his quarterbacks, Like, he doesn't mess around when
Speaker 1: he's sours on you. I like that they have co
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators. You could kind of seeky blame the other
Speaker 1: guy behind the scenes things go poorly. That's a that
Speaker 1: the florist things are, right. It's a double edged sword, right,
Speaker 1: because I think one of the things that that any
Speaker 1: business is tough to to kind of deal with and
Speaker 1: embraces the art of quitting and how important it is
Speaker 1: to quit and move on when something's not working. Now,
Speaker 1: the flip side of that is, hey, maybe Brian Flores
Speaker 1: is the problem, and you're busy cutting everybody else and
Speaker 1: blaming everybody else and pointing the finger when ultimately maybe
Speaker 1: it goes all the way to the top. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's given him. I'm giving him the leeway. I went
Speaker 1: drown the Titanic. To to quote Solomon Wilcot's on the Bengals,
Speaker 1: He's two for two. By the way, offensive coordinator is
Speaker 1: a big gig to get. Obviously, it's one of those chairs,
Speaker 1: coveted chairs, because the many times it could be a springboard,
Speaker 1: uh to the biggest chair head coach, Do you really
Speaker 1: want to be a co offensive coordinator? I feel like
Speaker 1: that's a tough spot, like and it leads, it could
Speaker 1: lead to some backbiting and just some internal turmoil, and
Speaker 1: like I deserve credit for this. No, it's your fault,
Speaker 1: all right, Well, very much depends on the two personalities
Speaker 1: of the co uh people in a chair, and we
Speaker 1: don't that's a mystery to us. I think we just speaking,
Speaker 1: you know, because it doesn't happen in the NFL a lot,
Speaker 1: just here in l A speaking to the draft, you know, USC,
Speaker 1: which has been a rudderless ship and an abject failure
Speaker 1: under Clay Helton. Um the last few years, they had
Speaker 1: always employed a passing game coordinator, a run game coordinator.
Speaker 1: We had a red zone coordinator, like the word was
Speaker 1: when it was at its worst was t Martin was
Speaker 1: basically calling the plays until they got to the twenty
Speaker 1: and then Clay Helton would take over calling plays. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just there's no way to run a football team.
Speaker 1: And you wonder why, you know, they are no longer
Speaker 1: mentioned with the other Bluebuds in in Alabama and Georgia
Speaker 1: and Notre Dame and Clemson. Ness barely gets a sniff
Speaker 1: of that anymore because it's just been such a disaster.
Speaker 1: And that speaks to, you know, making sure, Okay, it's
Speaker 1: fine to move on, and it's fine to cut baits sou,
Speaker 1: but let's just make sure it's not a quirk in
Speaker 1: the personality, that it's not necessarily production related. But you
Speaker 1: better be able to get along with this guy in
Speaker 1: order to stick around. I mean, look, that's what happened
Speaker 1: to Pete Carroll at SC. You know he oh, I
Speaker 1: should say this. Allegedly, UM was not happy with all
Speaker 1: the praise that Norm Chow was getting. UM and all
Speaker 1: the credit that Norm Chow was getting for having basically
Speaker 1: saved Carson Palmer. This this hercules of an individual. You
Speaker 1: know that when you saw him up closer, Like, my gosh,
Speaker 1: if I wanted to build a quarterback, this is what
Speaker 1: it would look like. And he just was kind of
Speaker 1: a middling player through the majority of his career at SC.
Speaker 1: Chow comes in, the guy wins the Heisman, they start
Speaker 1: that run and the next thing you know, Norm Chow
Speaker 1: is out of a job after winning a national championship,
Speaker 1: and he's like, what just happened? Right? Um? In other news.
Speaker 1: So you have um guys being shopped and reports out there.
Speaker 1: Zach Ertz, that's one name. That's one name out there.
Speaker 1: He's the tight end for the Eagles, a big time player.
Speaker 1: I mean, he caught a game winning touchdown passed in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl a few years back. He's coming off
Speaker 1: a bad year where he's all banged up and couldn't
Speaker 1: really move. And also, and this seems to be getting
Speaker 1: overlooked and people talking about the end of zach Ertz,
Speaker 1: a terrible quarterback situation for most of the year. Uh
Speaker 1: he is reportedly on the market, uh right now, also
Speaker 1: on the market. This one was a little bit surprising
Speaker 1: because you want to think this is a player would
Speaker 1: have a robust trade market. But Adam Schefter reports that
Speaker 1: the Lions have had trade discussions with other teams regarding
Speaker 1: backup Chase Daniel, Who's one of those dudes that's a
Speaker 1: great locker room guy, great locker room guy, and sometimes
Speaker 1: that keeps you in business and up alignment. Um. A
Speaker 1: couple of alignemen out there also floated as being shopped.
Speaker 1: Andrew Norwell, the Jaguars guard and Kevin Zeitler, the New
Speaker 1: York Giants guard. Uh So some interesting names there, and
Speaker 1: in a preview of maybe who's getting cut later this week,
Speaker 1: that is some much Zeitler and Norwell, you know, we're
Speaker 1: guys who you know, in hindsight probably ranked way too
Speaker 1: high on you know, Chris Westling and I was top
Speaker 1: one oh one when they were free agents. I mean
Speaker 1: those guys got huge money. Well Zeitler got got traded,
Speaker 1: but he he was a big time free agent. Norwell same.
Speaker 1: It's like and there's always those, it's always guard. I
Speaker 1: don't know why. Guard is a position. Tackles it too.
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, you can plug this guy in for
Speaker 1: the next like ten years, Like this is as safe
Speaker 1: as it gets. Well not really, like a guard's only
Speaker 1: gonna save your team so much. Get a good offensive
Speaker 1: line coach, like you know, get a good scheme that
Speaker 1: that matters. More like your guard is only gonna save
Speaker 1: save these guys so much. So we can say that
Speaker 1: the Browns won the Odell Beckham trade. If Zeitler is
Speaker 1: getting kicked to the corner this soon after the transaction,
Speaker 1: we'll see if O'Dell Beckham is We'll see if O'Dell
Speaker 1: Beckham is kicked to the current. I think they did
Speaker 1: it did fine for both of them. Is it fine?
Speaker 1: We'll see I mentioned you mentioned coordinator Greg. I think
Speaker 1: this is uh, just more talk. That's enough. No, you
Speaker 1: guys always thought I missed Norm Chow'll run with Vince Young.
Speaker 1: That was Fune loves is usc hype videos? That paying
Speaker 1: to that. Nobody Nobody gets better recruits and puts together
Speaker 1: better hype videos and then doesn't develop the talent, then
Speaker 1: sc um. No, this is a tip of the cap
Speaker 1: to one of your favorite folks. I thought this was
Speaker 1: a perfect way to describe it. Move the sticks, Daniel Jeremiah.
Speaker 1: When all the all the talk about how much are
Speaker 1: we paying these head coaches now? And are we really
Speaker 1: gonna pay Urban Meyer eight million dollars a year? You
Speaker 1: kidding me? It's like, yeah, that's uh, that's Andrew Norwell's contract.
Speaker 1: So would you rather have Andrew Norwell or would you
Speaker 1: rather have Urban Meyer coaching your team? Because the same
Speaker 1: guy that's scratching out the check is going to be
Speaker 1: asked to write that check. It's it's it's just a
Speaker 1: it's a perfect way to illustrate pay the head coach
Speaker 1: whatever the heck he wants pay him. Pay the offensive
Speaker 1: line coach, like, yeah, like that's what zach Ertz is
Speaker 1: due to make. That's why I'm not really buying there's
Speaker 1: multiple Like when they say multiple teams are interested, to me,
Speaker 1: that's probably like giving up a pick swap for the
Speaker 1: sixth to the seventh round or something. What does he makes?
Speaker 1: Looked done done to me. He was eight million dollars.
Speaker 1: I know he's been banged up, but that's part of it.
Speaker 1: He he reminded me of Owen Daniels a little bit,
Speaker 1: like towards the end of his career with those some
Speaker 1: of those routes. Sometimes for tight ends, it just it
Speaker 1: comes quick. I mean he was going through some physical stuff.
Speaker 1: Will never forget, you know. Uh. In other news, Mika
Speaker 1: hyde Um and the Bills agree on a two year
Speaker 1: contract extension worth nineteen point to five millions, So he
Speaker 1: was due to become a free agent after one season
Speaker 1: to make sure they keep him in house. And finally,
Speaker 1: and this was very disturbing news to me because I'm
Speaker 1: just not ready for it to be over yet. But
Speaker 1: John clayton Um of ESPN reports that Ryan Fitzpatrick quote
Speaker 1: looks like he's going to retire. How about that? That
Speaker 1: surprised me, I thought that there was this was someone
Speaker 1: with a great desire to start a year ago, and
Speaker 1: I think he could quickly get work somewhere else as
Speaker 1: a like the greatest bridge guy around. I mean, he
Speaker 1: could still make some more money, so retirement would surprise me.
Speaker 1: I don't believe. I don't typically buy that stuff until
Speaker 1: it happens. And I could see him getting pulled out
Speaker 1: of retirement if the right team fell into chaos down
Speaker 1: the down the line. He's sneaky ancient. He's turning thirty
Speaker 1: nine later this year. But Greg and I think I
Speaker 1: think you had him in your top forty free agents. Um,
Speaker 1: he's been playing some of his best football, So I
Speaker 1: don't know if if if it's this situation where he's
Speaker 1: ready to move on to the next stage of his life,
Speaker 1: or like Mark is alluding to here, that it's part
Speaker 1: of a ploy to put it out there, come get me.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to be somebody's back up forever.
Speaker 1: I mean a ploye is strong, but that's possible, or
Speaker 1: it's just like it's just like, well there's no news
Speaker 1: right now, and John Clayton, who has a radio show,
Speaker 1: and see like someone pulls that off of him talking
Speaker 1: on his radio show. That's not like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was like a hardcore you know report, It's
Speaker 1: just this is this is the life of an aggregator
Speaker 1: right now. John Clayton, Greg Rosenthal just throw it out.
Speaker 1: He didn't like he didn't see his name. Also, by
Speaker 1: the way, that that kind of gets to what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. What teams are putting out feelers for these quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: right I don't think any because they're waiting to see
Speaker 1: what happens. They don't even know. Like if Fitzpatrick is
Speaker 1: disappointed by the lack of tampering going on, it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's doing I don't think they're doing
Speaker 1: it with that level of quarterback yet. They're just waiting
Speaker 1: and seeing what's going on with this cap and all that.
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's a tipping point for Fitzpatrick though
Speaker 1: in terms of money, you know, because he didn't I
Speaker 1: believe did didn't. He played last year without his family, right,
Speaker 1: they stayed and he was so that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: So he wasn't with the family the COVID thing, so
Speaker 1: he couldn't go to see them or else. He had
Speaker 1: to sit out for fourteen days. You know my understanding,
Speaker 1: it was a pretty tough year for him off the field.
Speaker 1: So I wonder if you know, reduce cap like you said,
Speaker 1: he's not getting any feelers like you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: not playing for a million bucks, you know, or one
Speaker 1: point whatever. He's like, if someone wants come to give
Speaker 1: me five six million bucks, okay, I'll do it. And
Speaker 1: then that brings you to the cap, like, who's really
Speaker 1: given that guy? When the cap is gonna shrink by
Speaker 1: twenty million bucks, five or six million bucks to be
Speaker 1: a bridge or a great backup, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And I and how annoyed is that? Why after like
Speaker 1: a seven months of an NFL season with seven children
Speaker 1: and the dad figure has not has not been home
Speaker 1: for even three minutes. That's tension in a in a
Speaker 1: barrel for you. Um. But if I'm fits or Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton or or Teddy Bridgewater or James Winston or whomever,
Speaker 1: I'm rushing uh to that meeting with the Denver Broncos
Speaker 1: because if you want to look for a job where
Speaker 1: you have a path to play playing time, even if
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean a week one starter, hell yeah, get
Speaker 1: up there and beat out Drew Lock, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you might be set up with a nice gig.
Speaker 1: That's the dangerous like that's the for for General Patton, Right,
Speaker 1: that's the dangerous signing because you can't have someone that's
Speaker 1: you know, to commanding of the locker room or Drew
Speaker 1: Lock never has a chance no matter how cool he
Speaker 1: looks mild and lyrics on the sideline before a game. Uh.
Speaker 1: But you also want someone that could legitimately beat him
Speaker 1: out right, because you're not entirely convinced that he's the guy.
Speaker 1: That is a like, who would you who would you
Speaker 1: think is the best fit for that? That kind of
Speaker 1: fills both of those lanes. If you're still crossing your
Speaker 1: fingers that Drew Lock could be the guy of that group.
Speaker 1: Fitz isn't a bad one, but I wouldn't. I would
Speaker 1: go with them someone that's just like better at playing
Speaker 1: football than Drew Lock. That seems like, what's like a
Speaker 1: good idea for That's what I'm gonna be looking for.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of those guys that seems like. There
Speaker 1: was a report that came out over the weekend from
Speaker 1: a player saying like Drew Lock is doing all the
Speaker 1: small things behind the scenes that will make him a winner.
Speaker 1: And when I hear that the players done, we have
Speaker 1: our first trop aller to the off season behind the
Speaker 1: scenes to improve. Okay, okay, all right, that's what's happening
Speaker 1: in the news, all right, as promised money. You you
Speaker 1: you dabble, You dabble in the old stock market, don't you?
Speaker 1: Um sure, I think that's one way to that's one
Speaker 1: way to put it. Yeah, I've I I enjoyed the
Speaker 1: world of finance probably more than any other, any other
Speaker 1: the world of sports, the world of music. Finance is
Speaker 1: kind of my bag. I really do. So it's more
Speaker 1: than dabbling. Dabbling is not serious enough. Um well, I
Speaker 1: and trust, you know, I trust what's really important to
Speaker 1: those that truly know what they're doing. But because I
Speaker 1: have a hell of a well, I have a misguided
Speaker 1: um sense of grandeur, so I I believe I too
Speaker 1: can beat the market. And I have a couple of
Speaker 1: my own accounts that I that I operate and have
Speaker 1: with some some success and some some great success and
Speaker 1: some great failures. Like most who get into the world
Speaker 1: of finance would would say. But yeah, like some of
Speaker 1: my favorite podcasts or finance based podcasts, economics, so um whatever.
Speaker 1: So this show is not helping you out, shows helping
Speaker 1: me tremendously. I want a party with you, cowboy. That's right. Hey,
Speaker 1: we put on Econ Talk with Russ Roberts. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you, boots starts plowing and we get excited. And
Speaker 1: if you could money and help the uninitiated. I have
Speaker 1: a d the nuance knowledge of the whole game Stop situation.
Speaker 1: But where do you come down on this? Well, part
Speaker 1: of me it really enjoys it um because you know,
Speaker 1: for those that don't kind of haven't followed it. The
Speaker 1: idea is a bunch of dudes got together and well
Speaker 1: and by dudes I mean people, men, women, whomever on
Speaker 1: Reddit and decided, hey, we're gonna increase the mean. Look,
Speaker 1: that's what happens, right, People buy a stock. The value
Speaker 1: of the stock goes up because there's more money invested
Speaker 1: from the public. It's a public traded company, so the
Speaker 1: more money that comes in, the more it's worth. Um,
Speaker 1: you know. So they decided, you know what, let's do
Speaker 1: game Stop because all of these hedge funds have shorted
Speaker 1: the game stock, the game Stop stock. Now what does
Speaker 1: that mean? It means that they have basically placed a
Speaker 1: bet that the price of the stock will be considerably
Speaker 1: lower in the future than it currently is now. If
Speaker 1: the stock price goes higher, high or higher higher, those
Speaker 1: short calls come do and you have to pay your bill, Like, hey,
Speaker 1: remember you said you had these shorts here. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not happening, so you're gonna have to pay us.
Speaker 1: And in the case of these hedge funds, it's billions
Speaker 1: of dollars that the rising price of this stock um
Speaker 1: has led to these calls um, so margine calls, you know,
Speaker 1: the short calls. So I find it entertaining, but it
Speaker 1: also doesn't do a whole lot for confidence in the
Speaker 1: market for the late person, like wait a minute, what
Speaker 1: am I doing? So I can put my money in
Speaker 1: this company and it's not really worth that much, but
Speaker 1: somehow it becomes worth all. You know. It makes it
Speaker 1: a bit confusing as to how it works. And I
Speaker 1: think it's a quick reminder that essentially the stock market
Speaker 1: is a form of gambling. You know, you are you
Speaker 1: are placing bets on future outcomes. That's what you're doing
Speaker 1: when you buy a stock. What is the future of
Speaker 1: this this stock certificate or this stock that I have purchased. Uh,
Speaker 1: that is what's going to determine whether or not I
Speaker 1: win or I lose this bet. Right, But unlike gambling,
Speaker 1: it's like gambling, at least you know who won or
Speaker 1: lost in stocks like you don't necessarily even you could
Speaker 1: be totally like it could be all this fraudulent that
Speaker 1: the you know, companies that weren't aren't worth much their
Speaker 1: stocks go out and company. You know, it's like it
Speaker 1: blows your mind. I'm it's uh, it's it's some of
Speaker 1: it is out of whack and doesn't make sense, but
Speaker 1: the performances like look at don't I don't even know
Speaker 1: if we can do this individually, right because I'm not
Speaker 1: a licensed financial advisor. Um, But like you look at
Speaker 1: something like Tesla, right, it doesn't make sense, but the
Speaker 1: future projections are so promising for Tesla, even though they
Speaker 1: have not been able to you know, the price to
Speaker 1: earnings ratio is so out of whack and makes no
Speaker 1: sense from a classic market perspective, which I think the
Speaker 1: SMP is typically somewhere between thirteen and fifteen. And when
Speaker 1: you're trading at a hundred and fifty times you're earnings,
Speaker 1: you're like this, this, you can't sustain this. But then
Speaker 1: you kind of look at the company and you're like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody that has one loves it. They buy more if
Speaker 1: they can deliver more. If they could just ramp up
Speaker 1: manufacturing and distribution. My god, everybody would want a Tesla
Speaker 1: now that you know. So it does make sense in
Speaker 1: that way, right down that avenue. So I don't want
Speaker 1: to get too deep down this logy. You've done it again.
Speaker 1: I've done it with music, now I've done it with this.
Speaker 1: This is when I realized that I am just a child.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what you're talking about. I can
Speaker 1: tell that you're that you're that you know what you're
Speaker 1: talking about, but I don't know anything about. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna talk about free agents. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's
Speaker 1: it's far more interesting than than football money. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: offer you a challenge. By the end of this episode.
Speaker 1: I would like you to cook up some type of
Speaker 1: NFL related stock scenario that mirrors the game Scott Stop scandal. Okay,
Speaker 1: just let that percolate in the back of your mind
Speaker 1: and we're gonna come around to it when whenever you're ready.
Speaker 1: But let's let's get it go. Hey, let's ring the
Speaker 1: opening bell. Stephen Manny filling in again for Ricky Hollow,
Speaker 1: and let's do some buying and selling of NFL stocks money.
Speaker 1: Why don't you get us going? Actually, uh, well, I
Speaker 1: think this is gonna be an easy way. This is
Speaker 1: what we would call a blue chip, right, a blue
Speaker 1: chip stock. You know what you're getting there there, it's
Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot of sizzle, but you feel
Speaker 1: pretty darn good. Uh. And it's probably expensive because it's
Speaker 1: an established company that is going to keep selling their
Speaker 1: product and you're not too worried about it going bankrupt.
Speaker 1: There are seeing, you know, earnings reports that are dramatically
Speaker 1: lower than what we're projected. But it's Trent Williams Like
Speaker 1: to me, we talked about the Raiders cutting three fifths
Speaker 1: of their offensive line. The Chargers are probably gonna lose
Speaker 1: four fifths of their offensive line. Um, and you know,
Speaker 1: Bobby Massey, I think just got got booted from Chicago today.
Speaker 1: To me, Trent Williams, that's the guy like that. It
Speaker 1: all starts you see it. Look at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, right,
Speaker 1: I mean it all starts with the offensive line. If
Speaker 1: you can get that group right, I just feel like
Speaker 1: your prospects of winning NFL games because there is so
Speaker 1: this is terrible to say, right, but there's just so
Speaker 1: little elite talent. It seems like, I don't know why
Speaker 1: it's become the time, it seems like it's almost tougher
Speaker 1: than quarterback to figure out offensive tackles. Um. And I
Speaker 1: think we know he's good. He is damn good. And
Speaker 1: when we were seeing him do those box jumps before
Speaker 1: he showed up in San Francisco after the grade lest
Speaker 1: you were like, my god, what in what world is
Speaker 1: is that trade not worth it? Um? And that's why
Speaker 1: you might even be able to make the case if
Speaker 1: the Texans weren't so bad that the Tunsil trade was
Speaker 1: worth it to have a twenty five year old at
Speaker 1: that position that you can maybe lock up long term.
Speaker 1: So that would be my number one by of of
Speaker 1: any free agent out there, especially in terms of how
Speaker 1: many different teams could use him, right, so many. I
Speaker 1: do wonder if the Jaguars are just gonna throw stupid
Speaker 1: money at a lot of these guys, and Trent Williams
Speaker 1: would would make sense, although he might be the rare
Speaker 1: guy that's made enough money and will make enough money
Speaker 1: on this contract no matter who he plays for that
Speaker 1: he actually considers. Do I really want to play with
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer? I was just you know, with Washington, you know,
Speaker 1: like he might actually consider, Well, the cults are offering
Speaker 1: less guaranteed money, but it's still a massive contractor or
Speaker 1: picking a situation. You're right. He is gonna make more,
Speaker 1: I think, than any player available, and I think it
Speaker 1: will be by a lot. I don't think there will
Speaker 1: be a clothe like if we if we're doing those sandwiches,
Speaker 1: I'm taking Trent Williams and you guys can have the field.
Speaker 1: I usually want the field, and you have him number
Speaker 1: two overall on your top one on one free agents, Greg, Um,
Speaker 1: I'll throw it out there, Greg. How about this money?
Speaker 1: And I got a volatile stock? Stock volatile okay? And
Speaker 1: for those that aren't in the know, like me and
Speaker 1: money are Um, that's the type of stock that can
Speaker 1: move up and down wildly to provide great profit opportunities,
Speaker 1: but also it comes with greater risk, and which brings
Speaker 1: me to a name that came up earlier, Odell Beckham Jr.
Speaker 1: I want to see what's happening here with Odell. Obviously
Speaker 1: he's currently rehabbing, uh the A C. L tear that
Speaker 1: ended his second season with the Browns prematurely. And we
Speaker 1: all know what happened after that. That Baker was very
Speaker 1: up and down with O'Dell there, and a lot was
Speaker 1: made of it, whether it's fair or unfair, and curious
Speaker 1: mark your thoughts on that that Baker play a more comfortable,
Speaker 1: um successful brand of football once O'Dell exited the lineup
Speaker 1: when he wasn't quote unquote trying to force a total
Speaker 1: These are the narratives that that came into being after
Speaker 1: Odell exited the lineup. And I'm wondering, Now you step
Speaker 1: back and you're you're in the UM Brown's front office
Speaker 1: and having these conversations. Okay, he has three years left
Speaker 1: on his contract, no guaranteed money left on the deal.
Speaker 1: The Browns can get rid of fifteen point seven five
Speaker 1: million by trading or releasing Beckham, freeing up some very
Speaker 1: valuable salary cap space, especially at a time when you
Speaker 1: now have proved that your offense can function without this
Speaker 1: high profile, volatile stock. Not a volatile man. He gets
Speaker 1: a lot of grief, but he's he's fine. A little
Speaker 1: bit left of center maybe as a personality, but not
Speaker 1: not a bad dude by any stretch. So I think
Speaker 1: it makes sense that the Browns would potentially move Backham,
Speaker 1: even if they're saying otherwise right now, Kevin Stefan's guy
Speaker 1: can't wait to have him back, blah blah blah. And
Speaker 1: I wonder what they could fetch in a trade, because
Speaker 1: the Giants deal was a blockbuster. I wonder I have
Speaker 1: to two options more like a big picture Odell. What
Speaker 1: if the brown sent Odell in a third round pick?
Speaker 1: Could they get a first round pick for Odell Beckham
Speaker 1: in two thousand one, I think he's about twenty eight
Speaker 1: years old. Would you get O'Dell for a high second
Speaker 1: round pick in a trade? Would you do that if
Speaker 1: you were the Browns? And then I'll have a more
Speaker 1: focused one here. What if O'Dell goes to let's say
Speaker 1: the big splash desperate Chicago Bears for Allen Robinson straight
Speaker 1: straight up in a sign and trade situation? Tag and
Speaker 1: trade Allen Robinson? All thoughts, I just I find it,
Speaker 1: um somewhat um. I would be a little bit surprised
Speaker 1: if O'Dell's on the Browns in September thought, I would.
Speaker 1: I think there's something to that. Um. You also have
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry commanding fifteen million plus, so those two players
Speaker 1: are eating up thirty million dollars this season, and it
Speaker 1: is in a sort of impossible question to answer, I
Speaker 1: think to say, are they better without him? Um? I
Speaker 1: do think this. I think that Baker Mayfield the whole,
Speaker 1: the whole Baker Mayfield experience. He thrives when he is
Speaker 1: the alpha UM. And I think that there is if
Speaker 1: you want to talk chemistry, that no one's gonna say
Speaker 1: they're a better team without the talent of Odell Beckham
Speaker 1: on the field. But in terms of like Baker and
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham really getting into sinc, I would say that
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield looked ten times more comfortable throwing the balls
Speaker 1: for Chard Higgins, who uh really didn't exist in but
Speaker 1: had great chemistry with Baker and ten and so I
Speaker 1: would um dismiss the idea that they're better without Odell.
Speaker 1: But I could see them moving on because I don't
Speaker 1: think that what he's done in Cleveland has hiked his
Speaker 1: UM value. It's it's lower, it's been lowered, if anything.
Speaker 1: So when do you sell to get as much value
Speaker 1: as you could. I don't think it's two years from now.
Speaker 1: I think it would be now. I love that Robinson idea.
Speaker 1: That would be fun. Odell is one of those guys
Speaker 1: where it's not crazy to just throw out crazy trades
Speaker 1: because his contract now is such a plus in terms
Speaker 1: of being able to trade him. His contracts great. There's
Speaker 1: I mean, as you meanted, no guaranteeing money. He's making
Speaker 1: under fifteen million dollars a year in cash. He's not
Speaker 1: he hasn't been healthy enough to want to ask for
Speaker 1: more money, so that that's actually like very attractive. I
Speaker 1: would think to another team, especially a team like the
Speaker 1: Bears or some you know, teams who was trying to
Speaker 1: like get out of their own situation. But you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to like make sure Odell is happy, uh to
Speaker 1: come to you. I would buy some Odell stock right now.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's at a low and uh, I
Speaker 1: would guess I would guess he'd be back in Cleveland,
Speaker 1: but but he is not. It's not a crazy one
Speaker 1: to throw out there. All right, Greg, you're up next. Alright,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm not trying to like um kiss up
Speaker 1: or anything here, but I'm gonna I'm gonna throw out
Speaker 1: just like, how about us stock in UM in the
Speaker 1: NFL in the logo, what do we call this the shield?
Speaker 1: The stock for the shield? Right now, let's go. I
Speaker 1: think it's a good time to buy. They just uh,
Speaker 1: all these other sports leagues are gonna get stuck with
Speaker 1: two seasons getting getting hit by COVID hard. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that NFL season isn't gonna get affected by COVID
Speaker 1: who who knows um, but I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 1: get hit as hard as this second season of the
Speaker 1: NBA and NHL for instance, and other sports. Uh, after
Speaker 1: all of this that just happened, they're selling all these
Speaker 1: TV deals for like double the amount. Like it like
Speaker 1: it it proved, it proved a little you know, not
Speaker 1: COVID proof, but the ratings and everything are just like
Speaker 1: on an astronomical level. It's like you're getting you're getting
Speaker 1: the same amount of people um to watch this like
Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey, uh buster with Marco as like Bengals Jaguars
Speaker 1: on a Thursday night football and then you know it's
Speaker 1: like like it's just it's just kind of amazing to me.
Speaker 1: They're giving out the bonuses. That's a good sign. We
Speaker 1: found out the NFL. It's like it does feel like
Speaker 1: they weathered the storm and this TV deal is just
Speaker 1: gonna like bring in all this money. And this cap
Speaker 1: situation is a little bit of an issue this year, um,
Speaker 1: but it's all gonna just like skyrocket back up. It
Speaker 1: just struck me this week kind of watching you know,
Speaker 1: the other leagues and how they've got their own issues
Speaker 1: that the NFL, if they're coming out of this with
Speaker 1: doubling their TV deals, it was like, what, did it
Speaker 1: really hurt them? Score one for the underdog. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's like you hate to say it, right, but
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's built for the pandemic. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's one game a week. Uh, it's sixteen games
Speaker 1: for a season. It's you know, it's not eighty two
Speaker 1: of the NHL, of the NBA, it's not a hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty two. It's not. Um, you know, you can
Speaker 1: you can perhaps mitigate disaster when you have, you know,
Speaker 1: that limited number of contests that you have to complete.
Speaker 1: Because I mean, I think we all probably felt right
Speaker 1: when when it got sideways on the Ravens and we're
Speaker 1: watching games on Wednesdays and the Steelers are pissed that
Speaker 1: they got to play this game. Wait a minute, where
Speaker 1: we're being punished because of this? It felt like it
Speaker 1: was you know, for those that like the skateboard, You're
Speaker 1: on that hill and all of a sudden, the wobble
Speaker 1: has showed up and you're like, oh, no, am I
Speaker 1: going to be able to ride this out to the flat?
Speaker 1: Or am I going to get some serious road rash
Speaker 1: like that that was there that existed this season and
Speaker 1: they were able and look, and I think that Greg
Speaker 1: speaks to one of the reasons why they're getting they're
Speaker 1: gonna get these giant TV deals is they showed, oh
Speaker 1: you you want a game on Wednesday afternoon at three
Speaker 1: pm Pacific. Yeah, there's just twelve million people that watched that.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's just kind of how it's the
Speaker 1: number one entertainment, not sport, number one entertainment product in
Speaker 1: America and it's not. And and like, it won't surprise
Speaker 1: me if Thursday Night becomes Amazon and streamable, it won't
Speaker 1: surprise me if they come out Friday night football or Wednesday, Well,
Speaker 1: they won't do Friday for the kids. But it's a
Speaker 1: TV product, it's not a live product, I think, exactly right,
Speaker 1: exactly right. I mean, it's you know, there's something about
Speaker 1: being at the ballpark with you know, with your friends,
Speaker 1: you know, and just kicking back and throwing a few
Speaker 1: back or with the family and they're eating the hot
Speaker 1: dogs and all that, compared to you know, watching it
Speaker 1: on TV. It is much the same with you know,
Speaker 1: who do you know anybody that's ever been to an
Speaker 1: NHL game, They say, dude, that sport is amazing in person,
Speaker 1: and they will not watch a single second of it TV.
Speaker 1: Yet they will gladly go to an NHL game, uh
Speaker 1: in the arena because it's a blast. So yeah, you're
Speaker 1: you're right. I mean, it's it feels like, speaking of stock,
Speaker 1: it feels like we are at the the not just
Speaker 1: the fifty two week high, but the all time high.
Speaker 1: And and when stocks get to that, like when you
Speaker 1: look at an Amazon stock and you're like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I gotta drop d dollars to buy one share of
Speaker 1: Amazon stock. That's what we're talking all. Yeah, And do
Speaker 1: you know anyone who's gonna stop using Amazon in the
Speaker 1: near future or in the foreseeable future, So go ahead,
Speaker 1: and buy the because it's probably gonna be a share
Speaker 1: before you know. And I think that's the NFL of
Speaker 1: which you speak. That's what the guy who bought all
Speaker 1: the Blockbuster stocks said in two thousand three. Well, and
Speaker 1: he was that was a death moved three was a
Speaker 1: little late there for um. By the way, you you
Speaker 1: brought up the Marco Prince Harry Oprah interview, Greg Um
Speaker 1: quite dismissively too, by the way. No, No, I mean
Speaker 1: I'm saying that's like as big a blockbuster as there is,
Speaker 1: and I'm just saying, like that does like a Thursday
Speaker 1: night football, right Like I My wife, Greg has Oprah
Speaker 1: and the John Clayton category just a public enemy in
Speaker 1: a nuisance. Um. No, the My wife is a certified anglophile.
Speaker 1: She loves all that stuff. And she she said to
Speaker 1: me before the show aired yesterday, said, oh, yeah, this
Speaker 1: this interview that's going on, which I had no idea
Speaker 1: what it was, and I fell asleep watching it with her.
Speaker 1: But she was like, oh, yeah, this is gonna do
Speaker 1: like Super Bowl numbers. And I was like, what, No,
Speaker 1: it's not. There's no way it's gonna do monster numbers.
Speaker 1: And then the next morning you know how it is.
Speaker 1: We're all married and you have these little battles and
Speaker 1: you just want to win the battle. So the next
Speaker 1: morning I wake up and I'm like, okay, I know
Speaker 1: I'm right. I just want to see how right I am.
Speaker 1: So that's gonna be a big W over coffee, Um Marco,
Speaker 1: Prince Harry Oprah. Huge number, seventeen million people watched it.
Speaker 1: That's a huge number. Obviously super Bowl fifty five and
Speaker 1: ratings that were down for whatever reason. Nineties six million
Speaker 1: people watch that game. That's how you double your contracts
Speaker 1: in pandemic. Little W there, I mean, how did you?
Speaker 1: Were you? It's so you got you scored the big W.
Speaker 1: Were you cantankerous or were you a gentleman in your victory?
Speaker 1: Total jerk about it. But that's you know, because I
Speaker 1: know she's usually gonna beat me and most things, and
Speaker 1: I'm usually one that's wrong. So when when you do
Speaker 1: get a chance to get the W, you run with it.
Speaker 1: Um okay, let's move on here. Um up next. Mark Sessler.
Speaker 1: I like to uh, if I were to operate in
Speaker 1: the stock world, when you feel just a vibration that
Speaker 1: something's on the rise, that that there's something out there,
Speaker 1: a property, a new idea, UM, an inventor, an inventive individual.
Speaker 1: I buy my stock in in that. And I am
Speaker 1: getting in early on the Brandon Staley experience in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles when they hired him. And first of all, no,
Speaker 1: this was the guy that I think, Um, he triggered
Speaker 1: a lot of glowing think pieces last season, and having
Speaker 1: read a couple, I thought, all right, here we go
Speaker 1: with the Rams again. And they're literally they're all their
Speaker 1: little shiny little boys, perfect little coaches. But the more
Speaker 1: I read about Brandon Staley, UM, I became kind of
Speaker 1: like very intrigued. And then when he went to the
Speaker 1: Chargers and I am not bringing this up simply because
Speaker 1: the voice of the Chargers is on the show with us,
Speaker 1: it feels like that would be a good place to
Speaker 1: do it. But um, when he you know, all the coaches,
Speaker 1: and I think it was a tough year there, as
Speaker 1: contractually obligated when the charges come up on NFL network programming,
Speaker 1: go continue, no, no, no, Well I would just say that,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that it was a tough year
Speaker 1: to be a new hire because your interviews aren't done
Speaker 1: in big rooms with hundreds of people in lace and
Speaker 1: confetti and all this stuff. You're you're stuck on zoom. Um,
Speaker 1: Like the Eagles coaching staff came out looking real clunky,
Speaker 1: and that's a talking point. And I went down. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna watch Brandon Stilly. I think I
Speaker 1: texted you guys like I watched every sort of intro
Speaker 1: thing he did one day and I was blown away
Speaker 1: by And I mean this in the nicest way. He's
Speaker 1: like an intense nerd in the in the most perfect
Speaker 1: way a football coach could be. I think he is
Speaker 1: UM the kind of coach that we're going to be
Speaker 1: talking about in glowing terms a year from now. And
Speaker 1: I think it's the right kind of dude for the
Speaker 1: Chargers at this point. And so I'm buying. I'm buying
Speaker 1: with all the capital I have. I'm putting it in
Speaker 1: to this stock right now. We know money's buying. UM.
Speaker 1: I've I've been, you know, because of unfortunately that you know,
Speaker 1: you know, the world we're living in. I haven't had
Speaker 1: a chance to to kind of get with him as
Speaker 1: much as I would have liked to UM, but the
Speaker 1: limited interactions I've had, he's he's impressive. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: can you coach, I don't know, but just in terms
Speaker 1: of interacting his ideas, the way he answers questions, I'm
Speaker 1: really impressed by the staff um In particular, I did
Speaker 1: not know this special Team's coach Darius Swinton that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I've been on all the zoom calls and stuff.
Speaker 1: That dude is impressive. Like he was talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: what they had crafted in Arizona clock management team, situational
Speaker 1: football in the final five minutes team, and he was
Speaker 1: part of that. How you know, you think about that
Speaker 1: video that went viral of Larry Fitzgerald, you know, he
Speaker 1: was the getball guy to set it down. He's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was stuff that you know that we work on
Speaker 1: every practice that we're responsible for. So I like the staff.
Speaker 1: I like, you know, bringing in Lombardi and then also
Speaker 1: bringing in someone from the Kyle Shannah entry, and when
Speaker 1: you talk to him about, you know, how he staffed up,
Speaker 1: you know, it was an interesting answer, which is, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we we want to have as many possibilities as so
Speaker 1: we can. We can take from this pot from this spot,
Speaker 1: and then you know, we gotta get with Justin and
Speaker 1: to figure out what works with him. Before we know
Speaker 1: what kind of offense we're gonna run. So I figured,
Speaker 1: you know, here's a guy that's worked with Breese for
Speaker 1: this long, that's part of it. Here's someone that's worked
Speaker 1: with Kyle. I was in, you know, with Sean McVeigh um,
Speaker 1: and and so I just kind of like the way
Speaker 1: he's he's built the staff a you know, just sort
Speaker 1: of the presentation of I'm a listener, I'm an aggregator,
Speaker 1: and it's not all about me, It's it's about finding.
Speaker 1: And then on top of all that, oh, you dude,
Speaker 1: is just hear what Jalen Ramsey had to say. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he saw the Derwin James quote. It
Speaker 1: was pretty damn funny though. He said. You know when
Speaker 1: when we were at Florida State, was like, man, I
Speaker 1: don't like Jimbo, and I'm like, I'm all right with
Speaker 1: Jim but he's pretty cool. He goes. And then you know,
Speaker 1: I got Gus as my defensive coordinator, and Jalen calls me.
Speaker 1: He's like, man, that Gus Bradley don't know what he's doing.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I kind of like Bradley goes.
Speaker 1: Then I get a call from Jalen. He's like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: this Brandon Staley guy just the best coach. So I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, just to have someone that certainly
Speaker 1: seems like he could be an adversary or not an
Speaker 1: adversary but a little you know, have issues with coaching.
Speaker 1: To hear him seeing the praises along with von Miller
Speaker 1: and Khalil Mack and just like all those guys, I
Speaker 1: think speaks well for for the future of Brandon Staley.
Speaker 1: I'm a little worried about Joe Lombardi though. I mean,
Speaker 1: I love Justin Herbert and you and you hire a
Speaker 1: guy who was, you know, had a pretty uninspiring track
Speaker 1: record and not a lot of people were beating down
Speaker 1: his door to get and that's the franchise and his
Speaker 1: defensive coach. That's that's my worry because I just want
Speaker 1: to see Justin Herbert be like the best quarterback in
Speaker 1: the NFL, because I love watching that much. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, there's that relationship there with Staley and Lombardi.
Speaker 1: Where Lombardi coached him, I think at Mercyhurst is where
Speaker 1: he was um when or I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was dating. I think it was a Mercy Hurst that
Speaker 1: they were together. Um, I get the sense, though, Greg,
Speaker 1: that Staley is going to have his hands in a
Speaker 1: lot like he's he's gonna be a conductor, and you know,
Speaker 1: he's got his here's your brass, here's your woodwinds, here's
Speaker 1: your percussion. But I'm running this thing. Uh, this is
Speaker 1: this is my orchestra. That's kind of the vibe. And
Speaker 1: he does it. And that's what's great about him, right
Speaker 1: he does it without saying it but also intimating it,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think that's a very tough dance
Speaker 1: to do in the NFL because people don't like me.
Speaker 1: I did this, This was my creation, you know. So
Speaker 1: it's what it is, you know. And if you're a
Speaker 1: RAMS fan that's bummed out that you've lost this guy,
Speaker 1: we'll also you can look at it as when Sean
Speaker 1: McVeigh hired him, everybody was like, who's this guy, what's
Speaker 1: he gonna do? What kind of he's gonna be better
Speaker 1: than Wade Phillips. Well, he certainly seemed to be an
Speaker 1: upgrade for the RIM. So it seems like McVeigh knows
Speaker 1: what he's doing in terms of talent acquisition. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go before we say goodbye. Let's go around the
Speaker 1: horn one more time with a little bit of a
Speaker 1: speed round. Um, who started? I don't remember? Money started?
Speaker 1: And then money you give me another one, and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna put a cap on it with
Speaker 1: your amazing games stop comparison unless you wanted to share
Speaker 1: it now, but it's coming. Just know that's coming. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. Um, what was my game stop comparison? Again?
Speaker 1: I had to compare something to what the game stock
Speaker 1: is some artificial artificially inflated, artificially inflated Okay, um, you
Speaker 1: know what, So here's what I'll do. We bought now
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sell. Um, I would sell wide receivers. You're
Speaker 1: talking about Odell Beckham at fifteen million. Allen Robinson is
Speaker 1: going to make eighteen million. It just seems like and
Speaker 1: I think all of that is a product of you know,
Speaker 1: what maybe is recent is three to four, maybe five
Speaker 1: years ago. We just didn't see wide receivers coming to
Speaker 1: the league and catch on right away. It took him
Speaker 1: a year or two to kind of get comfortable. I
Speaker 1: feel like we're past that, you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: you're drafting guys in the first or even the second round, right,
Speaker 1: and everybody does this with Arry McLaurin and A J.
Speaker 1: Brown like DK Metcalf, Like it just feels like, if
Speaker 1: if I'm limited, if I'm hamstrung, and I gotta worry
Speaker 1: about a cap going down twenty million bucks, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I want to spend you know, twelve fifteen
Speaker 1: million bucks on Marvin Jones or twenty million bucks on
Speaker 1: Allen Robinson and stuff like that. To me, scared, I
Speaker 1: would much rather pour those resources into offensive line or
Speaker 1: defensive pass rushers, you know, or secondary you know. I
Speaker 1: like that. To me, that just seems like a better
Speaker 1: place to park your money than wide receiver right now.
Speaker 1: I like it. It's a good call. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: along those same lines, Um, why pay top dollar? Like
Speaker 1: you're saying, maybe you can get a guy like Nelson
Speaker 1: Agilare at at a cheaper rate, and you look what
Speaker 1: he did when he was actually played in the right
Speaker 1: position with the Raiders. If the Raiders don't keep him,
Speaker 1: I would love him if you can get him at
Speaker 1: a good value. Um, But for me, I wanted to
Speaker 1: focus on a stay away and it's another Raider from
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariana. I'm seeing his name floated a lot. It's
Speaker 1: a lot it's been out there like he's gonna be
Speaker 1: traded here there, and maybe the Bears. He makes sense
Speaker 1: for the Bears who really are looking for something uh
Speaker 1: fresh and potentially exciting at quarterback. And I'm thinking about it,
Speaker 1: and I remember Mark, you and I did that Thursday
Speaker 1: night game against the Dolphins in week fifteen, and you know,
Speaker 1: singing his praises, what a what an excellent performance that was,
Speaker 1: and the Raiders gagged away the game. Otherwise that would
Speaker 1: have been a huge story of Mariotta saving their season
Speaker 1: and all that. And I I think you can get
Speaker 1: caught up with one game, um and then not see
Speaker 1: the bigger picture and and perhaps make a mistake like
Speaker 1: let's say the Bears will use them again as an
Speaker 1: example trading for him. Be like, Okay, this guy, we're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna take a shot on Marcus Mariotta again
Speaker 1: when we had years of evidence in Tennessee that, uh
Speaker 1: he couldn't play the guitar. So if that would be
Speaker 1: my one guy to be very wary of, because if
Speaker 1: he didn't have that one game in December, you want
Speaker 1: to be hearing all this stuff about him right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I couldn't be more with you on that. And I
Speaker 1: chuckle at these explosive reports that all these teams are
Speaker 1: inquiring about him. If that was ever the case, It's
Speaker 1: like who were all these like who's who's like heat
Speaker 1: seeking Chase Daniel right now? I mean a lot of
Speaker 1: this feels like um percolating whispers and nonsense. Uh, I
Speaker 1: could imagine coaches those Still, there's certain coaches out there
Speaker 1: that would look at Mariota and always be fascinated with
Speaker 1: his skill set. And so when it was when you
Speaker 1: saw what you saw in that one one game, it's like,
Speaker 1: maybe we can get him for a little bit less
Speaker 1: and adam to an offense. But again, maybe that's your
Speaker 1: Denver move. Where Like, he's not spicy enough to totally
Speaker 1: blow away Lock, but he could be an attractive you
Speaker 1: know part b his skill set and his draft pedigree.
Speaker 1: It's a number two overall picked me. I'm staying away
Speaker 1: from both those quarterbacks in draft as much as Greg
Speaker 1: loves Jamis Winston and night Guy. But I would say
Speaker 1: the difference between the Chase annual situation, whereas that might sound,
Speaker 1: that might be hot air and a team just try
Speaker 1: to drum up a market or an agent or whatever, um.
Speaker 1: Whereas I really do think that in our league there
Speaker 1: are going to be front offices and coaches that that
Speaker 1: that was a primetime spotlight game that are like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna this guy. I can fix him.
Speaker 1: I can make him a sixteen game starter. Like I
Speaker 1: think that happens in football, as silly as it maybe
Speaker 1: because it's really well, you win Coach of the Year
Speaker 1: if you do. I mean, it's a great narrative, his story,
Speaker 1: and that's how coordinators become head coaches. Half the time,
Speaker 1: there's too many of these guys available, which is why
Speaker 1: I'm I'm selling stock on my top one and one
Speaker 1: expect the quarterback rankings, they ranked them all to just
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, all those guys at the top. Cam jamis, uh,
Speaker 1: you can throw Mariota in there, even though he's not
Speaker 1: on the one on one, and Fitzpatrick and Dalton and
Speaker 1: even Tyrod keep going on. It's like there's too many
Speaker 1: of them. Actually, so the market isn't there, and that's
Speaker 1: on me. So I'm selling me and that that's connected
Speaker 1: to Teddy Bridgewater. Like, man, he his stock is at
Speaker 1: a low right now. I might even buy because, like man,
Speaker 1: no one really wants it. Like he has seen his
Speaker 1: stock plummet since about mid November. He finished the season poorly,
Speaker 1: and his team doesn't want him. He's got this contract.
Speaker 1: No one really wants him. I'm staying away from Patrick Peterson.
Speaker 1: There's a future Hall of Fame around on things going.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go a bunch of rapid fire, and
Speaker 1: then finally I'm buying Jalen Hurts. I like where he
Speaker 1: is right now. I like the news that his owner
Speaker 1: kind of wants to build around him. Feel like people
Speaker 1: aren't really feeling Jalen Hurts that much. He was a
Speaker 1: little up and down, but I think he's gonna be
Speaker 1: putting a nice little situation. I'll buy some Jalen Hurt stock. Okay, Hey,
Speaker 1: by the way, you've been speaking at quarterbacks, Grere, you've
Speaker 1: been suspiciously quiet on another free agent quarterback, Gino Smith,
Speaker 1: who's coming off a point to passer rating this season.
Speaker 1: I think he threw three passes, But like you know,
Speaker 1: it's important that you've always been a big fan of his,
Speaker 1: and maybe it's time to either make some type of
Speaker 1: statement about Gino Smith where we are right now? Well,
Speaker 1: I think I think he's he's established where he is.
Speaker 1: He's a winner, and uh, if you want your team
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs, um, you bring him in. The
Speaker 1: Chargers did it. If you want someone to counsel a
Speaker 1: great quarterback like Philip Rivers or Russell Wilson, you bring in.
Speaker 1: Gino is a fit in the locker room to know
Speaker 1: his role, to call the coin flip correctly, and to
Speaker 1: bring a winning atmosphere. So that's where he is. He's
Speaker 1: not a starter right now, but he's kind of like
Speaker 1: you want a winner, you want to bring him in,
Speaker 1: and you want another set of eyes for a great quarterback.
Speaker 1: That's where Gino is. I mean, all those things you
Speaker 1: said are absolutely on point and accurate and true about
Speaker 1: Geno Smith. But I I find it odd and odd
Speaker 1: pairing that you're the hype man for a flat earth
Speaker 1: or you don't seem to be the kind of person
Speaker 1: that would be into flat earth. Every everyone's you know,
Speaker 1: have got their own. You know, it could be differences.
Speaker 1: We want a diversity of opinions. And uh, if he
Speaker 1: gets one more contract, he's officially outlasted. Rex Ryan's head
Speaker 1: coaching career Gino Smith, so only attract something like that. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think the thing is is that Greg. You know,
Speaker 1: Greg's a football man, okay, and football man they don't care.
Speaker 1: You want to be a flat earther off the field,
Speaker 1: that's fine, But you've come in it is building and
Speaker 1: you sit in my quarterback room and you're gonna help
Speaker 1: my guy get better every day, day and day out.
Speaker 1: Then you know what, by all guys, I'll sign me
Speaker 1: up for that flat Earth, round Earth, whatever, how many
Speaker 1: moons or orbiting Earth. I don't care. I'm a football guy,
Speaker 1: and Gino is a football guy to sign them up.
Speaker 1: And you know, not to dwell on it before we
Speaker 1: move on, because I want to hear Mark's final thoughts.
Speaker 1: But all this talk about the Seahawks and Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: and all the drama and Mike Dugard on the show,
Speaker 1: and like, oh, what are the Seahawks gonna do if
Speaker 1: they trade Russell Wilson? Well, how come nobody's saying, well,
Speaker 1: look in their own backyard? Why how about that Greg?
Speaker 1: People just missing the boat on that he is. He
Speaker 1: is an unrestricted free agent, so they would have to
Speaker 1: compete for him. But yeah, that would that would be
Speaker 1: a tough spot. Gino Smith taking over the so Wilson
Speaker 1: the Seahawks that that team without Russell Wilson, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure how good they would be think about all the
Speaker 1: coin flip, not very good where that's That's where I
Speaker 1: would suggest, all right, before we get to Money's game
Speaker 1: stop comparison, which I really pumped up about um, Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: I'll try to buy you some time here, Money Uma.
Speaker 1: So you know, here's one thing I am. I am
Speaker 1: buying um into a concept that things have changed because
Speaker 1: of Corona and some things we've mentioned this the off
Speaker 1: seasons might look a little bit different. They already do.
Speaker 1: I think that I'm buying the concept that the combine
Speaker 1: has peaked, um, that the combine essentially will never be
Speaker 1: the way it was ever again. Now. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that it's never going to occur, but even
Speaker 1: even every occurrence. Now, by the way, I don't know
Speaker 1: if anyone's tracking this this week and Mark Sessler's wishful thinking. No, no,
Speaker 1: like it's like it's one more commentary. That is such
Speaker 1: a great call because when we would hang out at
Speaker 1: Shoelace late night, nobody had a bigger asset eaton grin
Speaker 1: on his face when he would walk through that door
Speaker 1: than Cessler that look at I love the combine and
Speaker 1: the celebratory nature of UM. That card I like, but
Speaker 1: you know it's We're a week removed from Daniel Jeremiah,
Speaker 1: someone that I personally trust the opinion of UM saying
Speaker 1: that things like the forty yard dash are absurd. No
Speaker 1: one is that you have you have like devices and
Speaker 1: tracking software on players that show you how fast they
Speaker 1: move in game during game tape. That the whole idea
Speaker 1: of standing around and watching this guy run a forty
Speaker 1: yard dash in a sterile environment with no one around
Speaker 1: him in a silent field. UM doesn't doesn't track the
Speaker 1: way that it used to, and I'm not look at
Speaker 1: some things they do are incredibly valuable, and I think
Speaker 1: the meetings in the getting to know players all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But I do think that the combine as we know
Speaker 1: it has peaked. I'm buying that stock, but you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm an inexperienced trader. Well I'm buying into that on
Speaker 1: episode is that what would I be doing? And then,
Speaker 1: by the way money you're you reminded me, now that
Speaker 1: is the happiest I've ever seen a person and I
Speaker 1: remember it was me, you and Check sitting at the table.
Speaker 1: Shoulas and I can't give too many details to protect
Speaker 1: everyone involved, but we actually saw Mark skipping toward us.
Speaker 1: It was a hilarious smile. It was hilarious like two
Speaker 1: am and maybe like I was like one thirty two
Speaker 1: in the morning. Uh, And it was like I won't.
Speaker 1: I'll I'll leave those involved nameless to protect the innocent.
Speaker 1: But I'll never reminded me because remember he came in
Speaker 1: and then he was like I'm going back out. He
Speaker 1: was like I'm going out, Like we're like, wait, where
Speaker 1: are you going? It's and uh. And it reminded me
Speaker 1: when I worked with the Lakers. We were in a
Speaker 1: playoff series. We the Lakers were in a playoff series
Speaker 1: and uh and we were in Phoenix and Money Average
Speaker 1: thirteen and ten and uh No, I was just a
Speaker 1: physical presence, but you know as a couple of rebounds,
Speaker 1: set a lot of picks um and we were leaving.
Speaker 1: You know, we had been out late and I was
Speaker 1: out with the training instead. The guys that I hung
Speaker 1: out with, like you know, the strength and you know
Speaker 1: those guys that particular group. So we're out late, we're
Speaker 1: coming back. I'm not exaggerating when I say it's like
Speaker 1: three in the morning, maybe four. And as we're walking in,
Speaker 1: one of the starters from that team it's just strutting
Speaker 1: out like it's like it's four in the afternoon, just
Speaker 1: reeks of like cool water cologne or something, and we're like,
Speaker 1: hey man, He's like hey, like going. I was like yep,
Speaker 1: And I was like, put it all on Phoenix tonight, Jack.
Speaker 1: And that's what Cesla reminded me of. We were just
Speaker 1: kind of winding down, sitting at that table, like where
Speaker 1: were you and what were you doing? Let's have a call,
Speaker 1: Let's have one more pot before we go to bed,
Speaker 1: says comes in and then he's like, alright, guys, I'm
Speaker 1: out of here. I have a good one. Suckers. Well
Speaker 1: celebrate enjoy life, is what I said. Absolutely. It was
Speaker 1: the highlight of my combine that year. Um, all right, money, now,
Speaker 1: I did put you in the tough spot here. If
Speaker 1: you didn't come up with one down the line, you
Speaker 1: can Here's all I would say. This. This is like
Speaker 1: maybe the closest I can I can put it the
Speaker 1: historically speaking, right, Um, the like Russell Wilson, I think
Speaker 1: fits into this mold because you had all of the
Speaker 1: historic institutions. You know, the franchise is the general managers,
Speaker 1: the press, team president saying no, no, no no, no, this guy,
Speaker 1: this guy cannot You can't have a five foot ten quarterback.
Speaker 1: It won't work in the NFL. And then you would
Speaker 1: have like when I remember at the combat, It's one
Speaker 1: of my more vivid Combine memories was sitting with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: You know, Bucky and I used to be on the field.
Speaker 1: We would interview everyone when they weren't working out, they
Speaker 1: would just walk over and chat with us because we
Speaker 1: were on the field. Um, we were the only people
Speaker 1: on the field really outside of the people running the drills,
Speaker 1: and like both of us could not We were like,
Speaker 1: who was that guy that that that's the most impressive
Speaker 1: player we've ever been around and the history of the Combine,
Speaker 1: And every single scout that we talked to was like, dude,
Speaker 1: that guy killed his interview. His tape is great if
Speaker 1: only he wasn't five ft ten, And like all of
Speaker 1: those scouts were trying to tell these franchises and these
Speaker 1: general managers forget about the hike just forget about it.
Speaker 1: Trust us. We know, we know, we know. Meanwhile, you know,
Speaker 1: they were essentially pardoned the paunch, shorting the Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: stock because of how short he was, and I all
Speaker 1: blew it, you know, they all, they all blew the
Speaker 1: best quarterback to come out of that draft that had
Speaker 1: r G three and and Andrew Luck because they were
Speaker 1: weren't willing to overlook the heights. So I hope, I
Speaker 1: hope that works. I don't know if that that makes sense.
Speaker 1: It's it's now, I don't know. I thought it was delightful. Well,
Speaker 1: because game stop is well, I don't know, is games stopped.
Speaker 1: So you think the future of game stop is that
Speaker 1: like as like a no, I just mean in that,
Speaker 1: I mean in that moment, and that in that particular
Speaker 1: moment that they all, um, you know that all the
Speaker 1: is you could argue that all those teams lost money
Speaker 1: that did not bet on Russell Wilson because they you know,
Speaker 1: and and all of the people that supposedly didn't know
Speaker 1: what they were doing. One just came. One just came
Speaker 1: to me, and it's going the opposite direction. And this
Speaker 1: is sort of under the assumption that eventually game Stop,
Speaker 1: you know, doesn't ever figure out how to become a
Speaker 1: twenty first century company. And that's Tim Tebow just a
Speaker 1: bunch of like people that were like overly like everyone
Speaker 1: convinced themselves that Tim Tebow could play professional football like
Speaker 1: every like everyone did. And this is why it's like
Speaker 1: it's revisionist history. All the draft analysts for on our network,
Speaker 1: on every network, like no one was like, yeah, I'd
Speaker 1: put an undrafted grade on him or like you know,
Speaker 1: I like everyone was convinced. Even when the Broncos took
Speaker 1: him there that it was like a lot of people
Speaker 1: thought it was like that's a good move, Like okay,
Speaker 1: the guys that were down on him was like a
Speaker 1: second round pick and it was like this insane artist
Speaker 1: Johnny Manzel was a little bit like that too in
Speaker 1: hind sight. But it's like in our official inflation of
Speaker 1: something that's not so here's the only reason why that
Speaker 1: one doesn't work is because sorry Greg, but it's because
Speaker 1: essentially people are people like the the institutions bet on
Speaker 1: Game Stop to fail. That's what they did. They placed
Speaker 1: bets that said this is going to fail. And then
Speaker 1: these groups they're called reddit Raiders, decided to pool all
Speaker 1: of their money and say, oh, oh, you have shorts
Speaker 1: on here. Well guess what, Uh, We're gonna raise the
Speaker 1: value of this stock. You're gonna get short squeezed and
Speaker 1: it's gonna cost you somewhere in the neighborhood of five
Speaker 1: or six billion dollars. Here, I think is a good
Speaker 1: one college football. College football offenses, and all the people
Speaker 1: that were like that will never work. Don't draft quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that are dual threat. Don't you bring your spread offense
Speaker 1: to the NFL. This is the NFL. This will never work.
Speaker 1: And then what did you get all of these young
Speaker 1: Bryan Woonderkins, Uh, Sean McVeigh, Cliff Kingsbury. They're like, oh yeah, Lincoln, Hey,
Speaker 1: can I come visit you, Lincoln Riley in the summer
Speaker 1: to see how the Oklahoma spread works? And now every
Speaker 1: head coach goes there every summer. That's what happened. They
Speaker 1: finally had to get their come up ins. Uh. They
Speaker 1: were humiliated for their unwillingness to evolve and their stagnant offenses.
Speaker 1: And now look at what the NFL looks like. I
Speaker 1: think I think that works out there. We made it.
Speaker 1: Ring the closing bell, baby, they did it. It took
Speaker 1: me an hour in twelve minutes. Alright, Money, you've said
Speaker 1: it all. It is always I've said too much a
Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on our show, and I won't
Speaker 1: be invited back anytime soon. I talked too much, and
Speaker 1: I always tell myself at the end of it, I'm like, God,
Speaker 1: would you just shut up and listen? No, don't, don't
Speaker 1: say that to yourself. I I enjoyed myself, and I
Speaker 1: sense in my intro of you when I called you
Speaker 1: a shock jock, completely ingest and the fact that Greg
Speaker 1: took that ran with it, really heard I of irony,
Speaker 1: Like the point of you saying that is of course
Speaker 1: he's not a shock jack. You know what, what is it?
Speaker 1: What is it gonna take seven more years of doing
Speaker 1: this podcast? I guess so. I think you're You're so
Speaker 1: subtle iron Greg's Greg's irony is so subtle, you know,
Speaker 1: its facetiousness, so subtle it's hard to read. I mistaken
Speaker 1: for snark. All right, good stuff, money, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I love you guys, and and uh, obviously locally you
Speaker 1: petrols of money. But where's the where it? Could people
Speaker 1: see you on the network right now or you're going
Speaker 1: to be part of this draft coverage, and you know
Speaker 1: what I'm doing the I'm doing the s C pro day,
Speaker 1: So I think that is I'll be doing it with
Speaker 1: DJ and I think we got a shot at being
Speaker 1: out there. So very excited about that, so that that
Speaker 1: would be the next time anything. And I want to
Speaker 1: hear you. I want to hear you bury them like
Speaker 1: you did on this podcast. That was that's that's not
Speaker 1: gonna happen there. Greg. When we get on campus, we
Speaker 1: celebrate that well. And you know what the thing is like,
Speaker 1: I'll always celebrate the kids, you know. I mean, my goodness,
Speaker 1: you know I'm gonna celebrate the heck out. I'm on
Speaker 1: Ross st. Brown who went to uh, you know where
Speaker 1: both my daughters go to high school Modern Day. A
Speaker 1: couple of championships there, and celebrate Elijah Vera Tucker and
Speaker 1: all those players. That's for certain. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: that's one thing we can agree on is you always
Speaker 1: celebrate the kids. It'd be funny after you did, because
Speaker 1: like you just did. Um alright, So make sure I
Speaker 1: keep an eye out for money. And thank you everybody
Speaker 1: for listening. We'll be back on Thursday. We have one,
Speaker 1: one more show this week and then our network show
Speaker 1: returns on Friday. So make sure to set your d
Speaker 1: v R if you still have a DVR set the bastard.
Speaker 1: All Right, that's it. This is Dan Hanson signing off
Speaker 1: for Matt money Smith, the Quiet Storm, the Old Boston,
Speaker 1: Stephen Manny behind the virtual Glass. Yes, we'll see you Thursday.
Speaker 1: Until then, o heed the Call. Six