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Speaker 1: joined by the Trepid Crew, Amy sugarmin Tar sued Susanne French,
Speaker 1: Daniel Romo. Everybody is up, bright eyed and bushy tailed man.
Speaker 1: He can't even tell they just got up. They are alert,
Speaker 1: they are ready to go way too early. We're not
Speaker 1: breaking down an episode today. And I don't know why
Speaker 1: I'm on the zoom because I don't know what we're doing.
Speaker 1: What are we doing?
Speaker 3: We'll tell you, but first this is early.
Speaker 4: So this is my thrive time. Baby, I'm ready to
Speaker 4: go around.
Speaker 1: I'm ready, I'm feisty.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's in the middle of the night because Danielle,
Speaker 5: what time do you go to bed?
Speaker 4: I go to bed. I'm a I'm a grandma. I
Speaker 4: go to bed by nine pm, but I am up
Speaker 4: by five thirty.
Speaker 3: Scott, When do you go to bed? I?
Speaker 1: I you know, I go to bed at nine, nine thirty, Okay.
Speaker 3: So I go to bed at three maybe two.
Speaker 1: Why are you up so late? Because that is the time,
Speaker 1: that's the schedule.
Speaker 5: That is the time when people stop calling and emailing
Speaker 5: all day so I actually get the work.
Speaker 1: Done, right?
Speaker 3: So what three, four, five, six seven? Has that been
Speaker 3: asleep six hours? Susan? When do you go to bed?
Speaker 6: I usually go to bed around ten thirty and then
Speaker 6: get up about five thirty.
Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh, and your poor boye. Suzanne's back.
Speaker 1: And I'm back from Nashville.
Speaker 3: My word, what great?
Speaker 1: Oh it's great.
Speaker 3: And what about Tupelo?
Speaker 1: Tupolo was great. Tupolo was a fan convention. It was
Speaker 1: the people are so nice, so welcoming.
Speaker 3: Scott called me with a fan that was so nice.
Speaker 1: Old day.
Speaker 3: Was so nice.
Speaker 1: But you know, and then I went to Nashville and
Speaker 1: wrote songs with some of the top songwriters in the
Speaker 1: entire industry, and it was incredible. Four days it was.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's so incredible, incredible.
Speaker 1: Warner Chapel hosted it. Throw us in the writer's rooms.
Speaker 1: I'm in there with Lee Thomas Miller and Emily Fouvel,
Speaker 1: Emily Landis and Caleb voth Uh, Carly's got Collins and
Speaker 1: Dan pelerin. It was just amazing, amazing, And we wrote,
Speaker 1: you know, four songs that we'll see what happens with them.
Speaker 3: You know, that's great. And what time do you ye
Speaker 3: do tar? What time do you go to bed? Go
Speaker 3: to bed later a little later like me, not as la.
Speaker 7: No, I'm midnight usually.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay, So here's.
Speaker 5: What we just.
Speaker 1: Okay, so why am I here? Why am I? Why
Speaker 1: am I? I get it? I get a message jump
Speaker 1: on a zoom right now.
Speaker 3: So we all talked about it.
Speaker 5: So we decided what's up because we try to do
Speaker 5: this like when we have you know, people come on
Speaker 5: that listen, but they're so nice, right, they're they're so nice.
Speaker 5: Maybe there just can't be mean to us to our faces.
Speaker 5: I don't know, but they're always so nice. So we
Speaker 5: decided we're just gonna do it and we're going to
Speaker 5: read the comments.
Speaker 1: From social right, what's what we're doing.
Speaker 5: That's what we're doing and then talk about it. So
Speaker 5: I know what the comments are. I don't think anybody
Speaker 5: else does. I think I know what because Jackie and
Speaker 5: I worked on it together to pick so I've seen
Speaker 5: some of them. I will admit that, but nobody else has.
Speaker 5: So everybody's just gonna give their real, real reactions and
Speaker 5: uh yeah, because we want Look, I'll start by saying
Speaker 5: two things and then I'll shut up and not interrupt. Uh,
Speaker 5: we do read them, and we do care. We totally care.
Speaker 5: We totally take it to heart. We read them all.
Speaker 5: We sometimes are painful. So if you can imagine, sometimes
Speaker 5: there's a thousand comments we read every week and some
Speaker 5: are mean, so we just joke. Everybody's like, I'm not
Speaker 5: a bot, and it's like, we know you're not a bot.
Speaker 5: We know that we're just joking to cope, right, We're
Speaker 5: joking to joking, So please know we do read them.
Speaker 3: So okay, I think we just do it like we
Speaker 3: do pop culture. Jackie.
Speaker 5: I think you put them up on the screen and
Speaker 5: we'll go take turns reading them.
Speaker 3: But yeah, if you're listening, this could be ef and brutal.
Speaker 7: I also have to say sometimes I scroll and there's
Speaker 7: some long comments. Oh yeah, they're like in depth.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the most astute fans uh in
Speaker 1: the world are Gilmore fans. They chapter and verse know
Speaker 1: these episodes.
Speaker 7: Yeah, my favorites one they comment to their comment.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah more oh yeah, and they do yeah three
Speaker 1: or four times.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and sometimes there's like a whole conversation going on.
Speaker 3: So, look, we wanted to do this. This is gonna suck.
Speaker 5: I mean, you guys probably like listening to it, but
Speaker 5: for us, there will be some painful parts.
Speaker 1: But is it time? Is it time to face the
Speaker 1: music it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it just feels like we're in season seven and
Speaker 5: we do want people to know, like, look, we actually
Speaker 5: do care. I think that's one of the things that
Speaker 5: there's not everybody, but some people think we don't pay
Speaker 5: attention to them, and we do, and we actually try
Speaker 5: to take it to heart. But sometimes, like you know, well,
Speaker 5: old habits die hard, like we're not perfect. Okay, So Danielle,
Speaker 5: you start with.
Speaker 4: That one, should I say who it's from?
Speaker 5: No, let's protect the innocent and the guilty in case they,
Speaker 5: you know, change their mind.
Speaker 4: Right. So here's the first one. I think Laureli's panic
Speaker 4: with the wedding was because of Anna saying she couldn't
Speaker 4: be a part of April's life until they were married.
Speaker 4: So to Lorelai, the wedding would solve all of those issues.
Speaker 4: Luke saying no, in my opinion, was to her him
Speaker 4: saying that she had to stay outside for longer, and
Speaker 4: the lack of date was her not knowing how long
Speaker 4: she'd be on the outside for. Then she does something
Speaker 4: really self destructive and tells and she tells Luke because
Speaker 4: she needs their relationship to be over to justify sleeping
Speaker 4: with Christopher. I am team Laureli all the way, but
Speaker 4: she is human and makes mistakes and she made a
Speaker 4: big one here because she was hurting. Also, Amy referring
Speaker 4: to April as a human child all the time feels
Speaker 4: super weird to me.
Speaker 3: Okay, first of all, she did just refer to Laurel
Speaker 3: as a.
Speaker 5: Human but fair enough, fair enough, I'll take it.
Speaker 3: I'll take it.
Speaker 5: So what do you guys think of all the her thoughts?
Speaker 5: I mean, I kind of get it.
Speaker 1: I think everybody's entitled to their opinion and we're entitled
Speaker 1: to ours as well, and that's what that's that's what
Speaker 1: we do on this show. And that's why listen. When
Speaker 1: Amy and I initially talked about how this would be shaped,
Speaker 1: this this podcast would be shaped, I wanted something a
Speaker 1: little different than what I was hearing on podcasts. I
Speaker 1: wanted it to be looser. I wanted it to be
Speaker 1: more debate. I wanted it to be back and forth
Speaker 1: in a little bit, you know, not not chaotic, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess chaotic a little bit and fun
Speaker 1: and and and just like I want everybody to to
Speaker 1: give their opinions, and that includes fans, and we have
Speaker 1: gotten a whole range of responses, hot and cold. So
Speaker 1: it's what I wanted. It's it's an open forum. It's
Speaker 1: you know, we're free speech, baby, you know, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know we we we let the opinions fly.
Speaker 5: This is a common opinion that I did see that
Speaker 5: a lot of people think she did that and then
Speaker 5: intentionally went over to Christopher's, like that she broke up
Speaker 5: with you so that she wasn't quote cheating and.
Speaker 3: Went over to Christopher's. I'm not one hundred percent sure.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of interpreted that as she
Speaker 1: felt so bad, and maybe maybe maybe there's an interpretation
Speaker 1: where she just wanted to be honest with somebody that
Speaker 1: she truly respects. Yeah, I don't know that she didn't
Speaker 1: want him to find out from somebody else.
Speaker 4: I disagree. I think I think she did the ultimatum
Speaker 4: because it was her way of saying, is Luke ann
Speaker 4: or not? And then she acknowledged he's not fully in right,
Speaker 4: and so she's like, you know what, this is over,
Speaker 4: and the one way to make it super super over
Speaker 4: and not be able to recover from it is to
Speaker 4: sleep with Christopher. So I do I do see with
Speaker 4: this person, the person that wrote this out. I I
Speaker 4: actually think it's pretty valid. Like I do understand her points,
Speaker 4: and yeah, I mean I think the sleeping with Christopher,
Speaker 4: I do think she did it intentionally. She knew that
Speaker 4: that's the one thing that she can't recover from.
Speaker 3: I agree you do, Susanne.
Speaker 5: I thought she went over there like like one would like,
Speaker 5: I gotta go to somebody that sort of loves me.
Speaker 5: I don't think she went over there intending to sleep
Speaker 5: with them, because she was so barfed by that she
Speaker 5: did it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: I think she was.
Speaker 6: She had just gone over the edge, like she wasn't
Speaker 6: herself anymore. She was completely freaking out. I think it
Speaker 6: was multiple things. I think that she, you know, Luke
Speaker 6: let her walk away, and so to her, Luke is
Speaker 6: all out now, and so she just I think I
Speaker 6: said this in a previous episode, she just had to
Speaker 6: put that final nail in the coffin. And maybe if
Speaker 6: she had been thinking more clearly and been a little
Speaker 6: more rational, she would have thought, Okay, probably going to
Speaker 6: Christopher is not the right thing to do. But I
Speaker 6: think she just like she just needed to make it
Speaker 6: final that I don't think she was cheating on Luke.
Speaker 6: I think Luke might have different opinion of that, But
Speaker 6: I don't think that she.
Speaker 3: Thinks she was cheating.
Speaker 6: And I don't think she was cheating because in her
Speaker 6: mind it was already long over, Like Luke is not
Speaker 6: fighting for her, Luke let her go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know, but I think it's cheating per se.
Speaker 4: But like I can see how even think that, though too.
Speaker 5: I'm not a huge fan of like you I engaged,
Speaker 5: does somebody break up and you go sleep with somebody
Speaker 5: that minute, like literally that minute.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it was a terrible decision, don't get
Speaker 6: me wrong, But I can understand how she got there.
Speaker 7: The only reason why I think it was kind of
Speaker 7: like cheating, is it because it was kind of like
Speaker 7: one sided in the sense of like they didn't have
Speaker 7: the conversation that they were broken up, which is why
Speaker 7: Luke came the next day to talk to her, Like
Speaker 7: technically there was, but.
Speaker 1: In her mind that it did of the conversation. Her
Speaker 1: ultimatum was that conversation.
Speaker 7: Right right right, which is why I think in her
Speaker 7: head they were broken up, but I think in reality
Speaker 7: they were not. So that's why I took it as cheating,
Speaker 7: because there was no conversation between the two of them
Speaker 7: of we're done, this is it, We're moving on.
Speaker 5: I just okay, cheating debate aside. I'm sure we'll have
Speaker 5: that for a lot of days. I don't think she
Speaker 5: knew she was going to sleep with him. Now, I
Speaker 5: could be wrong, because I'm getting the vibe you guys.
Speaker 3: I literally do not think she went over there thinking
Speaker 3: I'm gonna.
Speaker 4: I think if she didn't need that intent, I think
Speaker 4: she would have because I feel like part of it
Speaker 4: was validation, right, like she needed to go to somebody
Speaker 4: who was going to going to not accept her. That's
Speaker 4: the wrong word, but like, what's the word I'm trying
Speaker 4: to find like not push her away. Yeah, that's going
Speaker 4: to be like, yes, come you know, like.
Speaker 3: Oh totally. I agree with that she wanted.
Speaker 4: I think she went to Christopher's and was like, I'm
Speaker 4: having a bad day. Then then yeah, then that wouldn't
Speaker 4: have been her intent. But she showed up and it
Speaker 4: was written on her.
Speaker 3: I think she wanted the ego boost from a man
Speaker 3: that loved her. I just don't think she thought she
Speaker 3: would take it that far.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I guess we don't know, all right, she
Speaker 5: would keep it going. Okay, Scott, you ready, Actually this
Speaker 5: isn't bad for you, this is nice for you. I
Speaker 5: gotta say, I'm pretty bummed. Wanted to say heartbroken, But
Speaker 5: that's extreme about how Scott categorized his plead and lare
Speaker 5: lies pathetic. That scene broke me and showed how much
Speaker 5: he loved her. It's not pathetic to fight for what
Speaker 5: you love. When you're at risk of losing something, you
Speaker 5: just put your ego aside and go all out. I
Speaker 5: thought Luke was real and raw and it conveyed something
Speaker 5: beautiful and heartfelt.
Speaker 3: Nothing pathetic.
Speaker 1: Gosh. I agree with the comment in that I agree
Speaker 1: with the comment and that it's not pathetic to fight
Speaker 1: for what you love, it's just how you'd go about
Speaker 1: doing that. And I think that's the distinction I was
Speaker 1: trying to make that I didn't make her earlier. I
Speaker 1: think there's just a better way to do that without losing,
Speaker 1: without losing your dignity.
Speaker 3: And I kind of seen didn't bother me.
Speaker 1: It bothered me a great deal. Bothered me a great deal.
Speaker 1: It just showed because it showed how powerless he is.
Speaker 1: And I didn't. I didn't think it was great writing.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I wonder if it was more like that. She didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't like how I interpreted the writing.
Speaker 1: I should I shouldn't bag on the writing. I think
Speaker 1: I think I should take some responsibility here as an
Speaker 1: artist who maybe missed the mark on how to turn
Speaker 1: those phrases, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: I I don't feel like you missed the mark at all.
Speaker 6: And I wasn't on the last episode, but I did
Speaker 6: mention in my comments that scene where Luke comes with
Speaker 6: his truck all packed and he's like, you know, I
Speaker 6: need you in my life. That was, in my opinion,
Speaker 6: one of the best scenes that you did in the
Speaker 6: entire series, like it just it was so good and
Speaker 6: you can see, like when she says Luke I slept
Speaker 6: with Christopher, like even to see all of the emotions
Speaker 6: just wash over his face right then and there, and
Speaker 6: it was amazing. I didn't think Luke was pathetic at all.
Speaker 6: I didn't think he was weak. I think the night before,
Speaker 6: Laura I was panicking and now he's panicking because he's
Speaker 6: realized that, you know, he's like, he's losing Laurali, and
Speaker 6: so he suddenly had this epiphany that you know, he
Speaker 6: had been shutting her out this whole time, and now
Speaker 6: he's going to lose her, and he's like freaking the
Speaker 6: frick out about it.
Speaker 3: I didn't think he was weak at all.
Speaker 6: I thought it was It was a very good portrayal
Speaker 6: of his love for her.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think she should have said, okay, let's go.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think we would have been really upset with Luke
Speaker 4: if you didn't do that.
Speaker 5: And I don't know why she didn't say okay, let's go.
Speaker 5: Well that brings us to this person's other comment, Why
Speaker 5: the hell do we spend so much time saying what
Speaker 5: should have been written? It's already been written.
Speaker 3: And done. Therefore it's the show.
Speaker 5: As much as I get frustrated with certain things on
Speaker 5: the show, it just is. And that is freaking life.
Speaker 5: Just feels like the need to rewrite takes me out
Speaker 5: of actual experience. I know. I mean, I go both
Speaker 5: ways on this person's comment because I've also said exactly
Speaker 5: that before.
Speaker 3: It's like telling you just shut up the podcast.
Speaker 1: That's like.
Speaker 3: I but I also have said.
Speaker 5: I know I've said this though, you guys, I actually
Speaker 5: said this funny, but then at the same time I
Speaker 5: rewrite half of it.
Speaker 7: But that's but that's life, right, Like you remember things
Speaker 7: in the past and you're like, I kind of wish
Speaker 7: there are things like I kind of wish I did
Speaker 7: this differently, or what if this? What if this happened
Speaker 7: this way? Like in your own life, if you think
Speaker 7: of even if it's like little things, little moments where
Speaker 7: you're like, I wish I would have said this, you know,
Speaker 7: So I think it's just natural.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, and it's also like we just kind of decided
Speaker 5: to go with the podcast this way where we sort
Speaker 5: of give our real opinions on what we wish.
Speaker 3: Would have happened.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just a different show. If we were just
Speaker 5: like I don't know, maybe then what would we talk.
Speaker 4: I guess just about the plot and about what should
Speaker 4: have been.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. I guess. I think we really go deep.
Speaker 7: In some other rewatch podcasts, like they hint at it,
Speaker 7: but like we really just take it to the next level,
Speaker 7: and I think it just shows. But we're passionate about it,
Speaker 7: Like we're passionate about these characters, right.
Speaker 1: I think it's we're fans too, and we have a
Speaker 1: right to give our opinions and be passionate about our
Speaker 1: opinions too, you know, but much respect. You know, everybody,
Speaker 1: everybody gets a voice, right.
Speaker 3: Well, the next one's good Amy.
Speaker 7: This isn't coming from me.
Speaker 3: It's all from Tara two five sixty three.
Speaker 7: Amy's inability to self reflect and take into account that
Speaker 7: we as the listeners, only have issues and comment negatively
Speaker 7: about her week after week. The same comments and criticisms
Speaker 7: have been going on since the first episode aired. Scott
Speaker 7: Patterson beginning to speak publicly and candidly about the year's
Speaker 7: long rumor about him and Lauren not getting along on set,
Speaker 7: and rather than shut up and let him talk, she
Speaker 7: bulldozes over him to interrupt him and talk like no
Speaker 7: one wants to hear from you, and everyone wants to
Speaker 7: hear what he has to say about the rumor. Also,
Speaker 7: she has escalated from mocking Danielle to mocking us as
Speaker 7: the audience, then Scott going from calling us bots to
Speaker 7: haters who hate on everyone, yet in the same breathday
Speaker 7: mock us for calling Danielle on Susanne Queen's if we
Speaker 7: were so hateful, would we compliment them week after week?
Speaker 7: We just are tired of the same requests of letting
Speaker 7: you co hosts, especially Scott speak before cutting them off.
Speaker 1: Hm hmm, yeah, okay, you bulldozing me woman. First of all,
Speaker 1: I'm a man who's been bulldozed by her.
Speaker 3: I actually thought, look, okay, but.
Speaker 1: She's a woman. The plans I have to take this.
Speaker 3: In mm hmm. And okay number one.
Speaker 5: I listened to the comments, I'm gonna talk.
Speaker 1: Over, I'm gonna bulldoze you a little bit here. Listen,
Speaker 1: gang fans love you, hear you. But this is I
Speaker 1: got it. Okay, I get it. I get it. But
Speaker 1: Amy is very passionate and very knowledgeable about this show
Speaker 1: as well, and I understand that it is frustrating at times,
Speaker 1: but this is how I wanted the podcast. It's not
Speaker 1: her fault. If you want to blame somebody, blame me
Speaker 1: because I had an idea for a podcast. I thought.
Speaker 1: I thought the rewatch thing was an original idea by me.
Speaker 1: First of all, that's the funniest part. And I found
Speaker 1: out there were I don't know dozens and I went, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: great minds, great minds in their life. But but then,
Speaker 1: you know, I really emphasized her the style of the
Speaker 1: exchanges in this podcast. I didn't want to make it,
Speaker 1: you know, this button down kind of scene by scene
Speaker 1: by scene thing that we were going to worship at
Speaker 1: the altar of everything that was Gilmour. I said, you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're going to open it up. We're gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, we've got all these you know, really break
Speaker 1: people on this cast, and they have opinions, and that's
Speaker 1: what I wanted, And I said, I encouraged her to
Speaker 1: talk over so well, yeah, we.
Speaker 5: Wanted to be like, you know, the Thanksgiving family, right
Speaker 5: that gets just unhinged. It's like we're not supposed to
Speaker 5: hold back. And look, I was glad to see Scott
Speaker 5: get snarky. And also I think I wanted to support
Speaker 5: him so that he knew like, yeah, let it be,
Speaker 5: let it go, You're you're safe, you're good. And so
Speaker 5: I think the other thing I will say, and this
Speaker 5: is not an excuse. Look, I consciously work every week
Speaker 5: on everyone giving their opinion right and sharing. Now, the
Speaker 5: one thing that I will agree with, I'm sure I
Speaker 5: get like heated or jump in whatever. I don't agree
Speaker 5: that I'm ever dismissive or whatever they sometimes say to.
Speaker 3: Danielle or Suzanne.
Speaker 5: I don't personally agree with that, because that's what we're
Speaker 5: doing here, Like that would be like, it's not dismissive,
Speaker 5: it's we're having a conversation. We don't have to agree,
Speaker 5: so right, I don't have to support them with their
Speaker 5: equin And if I disagree and they do the same,
Speaker 5: they're like no, like we just have already done it
Speaker 5: in episode. Or I'm like, I think she went over
Speaker 5: there not intending to sleep with them, and they're like, no,
Speaker 5: she did, and I'm like, okay, like vine, Like the
Speaker 5: other thing I will say, and this is a little
Speaker 5: behind the scenes. Sometimes nobody wants to listen to anyone
Speaker 5: talk on and on and on and on and on.
Speaker 5: And that's something that we know in like when you
Speaker 5: learn about doing shows like this. If you watch anything
Speaker 5: on TV, at some point there is a point where
Speaker 5: the news anchor has to jump in and move to
Speaker 5: the next question.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: Also a little behind the scenes, not that anyone cares.
Speaker 5: Sometimes you don't know that there's fifteen messages coming in
Speaker 5: at us like, hey, you've you've gone twenty minutes and
Speaker 5: you're in scene one. Hey the guess is in the way. Hey,
Speaker 5: this is happening. And Danielle and Tara and Suzanne don't
Speaker 5: have to pay attention to that.
Speaker 3: Scott and I do. So that's not an excuse. I'm
Speaker 3: just giving you a little behind the scenes of sometimes
Speaker 3: we're just trying to move this ship along.
Speaker 1: But right, but let me let me address this bought
Speaker 1: comments that I've made. So that's me trying to protect
Speaker 1: Amy because I know she reads every comment and she
Speaker 1: takes them to heart, but she's got a thick skin.
Speaker 1: But I know what it's like to read comments. There
Speaker 1: was a thing and have it affect your mental health
Speaker 1: because years ago I took a position in something and
Speaker 1: social media just slammed me. And it was horrible and
Speaker 1: it was awful, and they said horrible things about my
Speaker 1: mother and who had passed away and all kinds of things,
Speaker 1: and it really does affect you. So that was in
Speaker 1: response to trying to have Amy's back, because I know
Speaker 1: how hard she works and I know how much she
Speaker 1: cares about us as people. She's a really good person.
Speaker 1: She's a lovely human being and super supportive of all
Speaker 1: of us. So that's just me trying to have her
Speaker 1: back and say, hey, maybe don't read the comments so much.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to, you know, I don't want
Speaker 1: you to be taking these hits all the time because
Speaker 1: because I love her and I love you guys, and
Speaker 1: I'm not trying and I apologize to the fans, and
Speaker 1: I just want to just flat out apologize fans. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to minimize you. I'm not referring to
Speaker 1: as bots. I'm just trying to make Amy feel better,
Speaker 1: like this can't be real.
Speaker 3: And it's so nice, right, it's so nice, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Because you've ridden, you know, very intelligent, very long comment
Speaker 5: with a lot of detail that I don't know that
Speaker 5: a bot can do. I don't even know what a
Speaker 5: bot does. I thought a bot just tells you to
Speaker 5: like buy a product, something bought.
Speaker 1: What I was referring to as a bot is not
Speaker 1: a Gilmore fan, but somebody from a rival podcast having
Speaker 1: somebody their assistant or somebody you know, start sending bad
Speaker 1: messages to us.
Speaker 3: The other thing I'll say is.
Speaker 1: Because that happens in this game, right, I mean they
Speaker 1: see a successful podcast in high con Oh yeah, there.
Speaker 5: Are podcasts where we know intentionally I'm not saying that's
Speaker 5: the case here, but people do do that, right, Like
Speaker 5: they go in and intentionally right mean comments, so your
Speaker 5: rating goes down, which please don't do so anyway. The
Speaker 5: other thing I'll quickly say is there are about one
Speaker 5: thousand dish plus comments a week right on all the
Speaker 5: different platforms we have, and sometimes the commenters don't agree.
Speaker 5: So I don't want anyone taking it personally if they
Speaker 5: think I'm not listening and doing what that comment says.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to sort of take it all in.
Speaker 5: And also, like I'm fifty, Like changing me is not
Speaker 5: going to be the easiest thing in the world. But
Speaker 5: by the way, I'm fifty, Oh my god, that's gnarly Okay,
Speaker 5: so anyway, we're I think we're kind of I'm sure holders.
Speaker 4: And before we move on from this time, I do
Speaker 4: I do want to actually take something from it. And Scott,
Speaker 4: is there anything that you didn't get off your chest
Speaker 4: about the Laura Memmer? Like, is there anything else left
Speaker 4: to be said since they you know, this person does
Speaker 4: feel like you were cut off.
Speaker 1: Oh. I think those rumors are things that are started by,
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe entertainment publications. There one journalist trying
Speaker 1: to get clicks for their their magazine and let's start some,
Speaker 1: you know, because that's you know, the classic uh uh
Speaker 1: tactic in any kind of journalistic circles is like, let's
Speaker 1: build them up, especially entertainment. Let's build them up, build
Speaker 1: them up, build them up. They're much beloved. Now, let's
Speaker 1: not knock them down for clicks, you know, let's let's
Speaker 1: try to destroy something. Let's try to create something.
Speaker 3: She's following you on Instagram?
Speaker 5: Who so Lauren just joined Instagram like literally yeah, like
Speaker 5: like days ago and it was a big deal.
Speaker 3: Everyone's talking about it. Oh really totally following you?
Speaker 1: She's totally I wow, Yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Can give her.
Speaker 5: I don't know how you do that, but I'm sure
Speaker 5: there's some way to say, like, welcome to Instagram.
Speaker 1: Lauren Graham, welcome to Instagram. Good to have you.
Speaker 3: I mean, oh my god, they're calling it Instagram.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's so good.
Speaker 5: Juzanne, poor Suzanne has no voice, but she's gonna try.
Speaker 3: They're calling it, get it Instagram.
Speaker 1: We got it, We got it the first time.
Speaker 4: I have a question where these were circulated and you know,
Speaker 4: clickbait articles. Was this during filming?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Did that affect anything between the two of you guys?
Speaker 4: Were you guys like what the hell? Like this is weird?
Speaker 1: Uh No, we were just too busy loving each other.
Speaker 1: We didn't even notice.
Speaker 3: It because we weren't getting I remember.
Speaker 1: We're too busy love in each other.
Speaker 3: Also, like then you just work together again on the movies,
Speaker 3: so it's like yeah.
Speaker 7: Also, I'm sure it was so different because now on
Speaker 7: social media, like people can expand on the topic and
Speaker 7: the conversation with Back in the day, it was just
Speaker 7: one article and that was it.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, social media wasn't really even that big of
Speaker 6: a thing early.
Speaker 4: To right, you couldn't just make a statement, hey we
Speaker 4: love each other or post a picture together.
Speaker 1: I mean we had a great time working together and
Speaker 1: it was always fun working with her. You know, she's
Speaker 1: super prepared.
Speaker 5: It seems lore liash not fully, but like from when
Speaker 5: you see Lauren in interviews.
Speaker 1: Full of jolly and full of jokes and full of fun.
Speaker 5: You know, she totally wore I just forgot this on
Speaker 5: the Instagram. She wore a from Gilmore Girls in her
Speaker 5: first post.
Speaker 3: Really now I'm gonna move us along, not because I'm interrupting,
Speaker 3: but because it's time to move along.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll read one. I think that Amy keeps missing
Speaker 1: when she repeats the same exact opinions every week. What
Speaker 1: would you do if you had a long lost kid?
Speaker 1: Is that Luke purposely excluded from her life with April
Speaker 1: from the get go. This wasn't a day or two
Speaker 1: or even a week to process. Two months went by
Speaker 1: and the only reason Laurel I found out is because
Speaker 1: she came into the diner that day, not because Luke
Speaker 1: told her honestly that alone would be a reason. And
Speaker 1: the engagement then it's solely him compartmentalizing and excluding her
Speaker 1: without communicating, and Game at all never communicates, and he
Speaker 1: desire for Laureli to be involved until he screws up
Speaker 1: April party and needs her. You know, this person's making
Speaker 1: a very salient point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's totally agree.
Speaker 1: Let's also remember that Luke is a grown man in
Speaker 1: his forties who has his life together. I get that
Speaker 1: the long lost kid is an adjunctent is an adjustment,
Speaker 1: but my god, I'm tired of the Oh poor Luke,
Speaker 1: he doesn't know how to handle the situation. Like the
Speaker 1: bar is said incredibly low here.
Speaker 3: Look, I will.
Speaker 5: Say I didn't repeat it almost every week because people
Speaker 5: really like to pile on Luke for not immediately, including Loralai.
Speaker 5: This comment is accurate, It's filled with good points, But
Speaker 5: I also think there is a good point to saying,
Speaker 5: suddenly you find out you have a kid that is
Speaker 5: so massive that my main point is I don't know
Speaker 5: what I would do, what you would do, how you
Speaker 5: would really react to that, And we are going to
Speaker 5: dig into that in a little in a different episode.
Speaker 3: But I don't know how I would react to that.
Speaker 5: So I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt in
Speaker 5: saying his reaction may not be as crazy as everyone thinks.
Speaker 5: You may not want and it's also like I thought
Speaker 5: about this for days, right it's not like other things
Speaker 5: you could find out about. It's a kid, so there
Speaker 5: is sort of this like connotation like you slept with
Speaker 5: somebody else, even though I understand it was years ago.
Speaker 5: It's a tougher one, and I do think people would
Speaker 5: feel like this could be a real problem in my relationship.
Speaker 5: So I'm going to take it slow. I just have
Speaker 5: some respect for the way he reacted. And like that
Speaker 5: other person said, this is how they wrote it, So
Speaker 5: I'm not rewriting it. I'm going, you know what, this
Speaker 5: is how he's reacting.
Speaker 3: I'm going to support it. Mm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how they wrote it. Wrote what I had
Speaker 1: to do. I could change it right, And I.
Speaker 6: Feel like, I mean, I think we've beat this poor
Speaker 6: horse just completely into oblivion. But I think that it's
Speaker 6: not so much that anybody wanted Laura I brought in immediately.
Speaker 6: It's that it just the whole thing seemed so indefinite,
Speaker 6: like he never had a conversation with her other than
Speaker 6: you know, a couple words at Martha's vineyard. It was
Speaker 6: there was just never any discussion about where his thought
Speaker 6: process was or anything like that.
Speaker 3: He just completely blocked her out. So I don't my
Speaker 3: take on that he wasn't ready.
Speaker 4: He's treating Laura I like they've been dating for two months.
Speaker 4: In that situation, all right, take your time, bro. But
Speaker 4: they're engaged, they've they've known each other forever, and I
Speaker 4: don't really find the distinction of it. Like, I don't
Speaker 4: think it should change whether you're engaged or married. You
Speaker 4: know that, I don't think is a factor. And so
Speaker 4: just you know, thinking about it in my own life,
Speaker 4: if my husband came to me and said, oh I
Speaker 4: found out I had a kid in my twenties or whatever,
Speaker 4: I would feel some kind of way about it if
Speaker 4: he didn't include me or let me ask you just
Speaker 4: talk to me about it. I don't need to be
Speaker 4: around the kid twenty four to seven, but like you
Speaker 4: need to talk to me about it and have these discussions.
Speaker 4: This is our relationship. This does this added question to
Speaker 4: our relationship. So you gotta what if it did happen?
Speaker 5: So what if your husband came to you and said
Speaker 5: he just found out he had a kid. He comes
Speaker 5: to you right away and he says, I just found
Speaker 5: out I have a kid, a twelve year old.
Speaker 3: Okay, what do you do? What is your angel reaction?
Speaker 4: We have to talk about it.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, you know, not talk about it. What
Speaker 5: would you do, Like, would you have the kid suddenly
Speaker 5: you have a second kid? They live with you half
Speaker 5: the time? What would you do? Like me thinking about
Speaker 5: it part, and I want to know what what someone
Speaker 5: would actually do.
Speaker 4: What I would actually do is I would tell my
Speaker 4: husband we need to have a conversation on how we
Speaker 4: are going to handle this together. And I think I'm
Speaker 4: not getting I.
Speaker 5: Know, I'm interrupting you because I want to know what
Speaker 5: you actually would do.
Speaker 3: Not that is what I would do, not the talking
Speaker 3: about it part. What I want to know. That's what
Speaker 3: you have to do, though, you have to talk about it,
Speaker 3: but you.
Speaker 4: Have to talk about it and create a plan with
Speaker 4: my husband of how we are going to handle the
Speaker 4: situation together.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 5: So my point is that you can't even and again
Speaker 5: write your letters. I don't care write your letters because
Speaker 5: I'm going to go hard. You're not even able to
Speaker 5: figure out what you would do. You're like, keep telling me,
Speaker 5: we're going to talk about it, We're going to talk
Speaker 5: about it. So Luke, who already has sort of a
Speaker 5: hard time with this kind of thing, is trying to
Speaker 5: figure out what he's going to do about it because
Speaker 5: he doesn't want.
Speaker 4: To exactly the point he's going to do about it,
Speaker 4: and there's no.
Speaker 5: W Well, look if the problem, so say so, I
Speaker 5: want to jump to the next thing, right, Like, say,
Speaker 5: my significant other comes to me and says he has
Speaker 5: a kid from twelve years ago. Obviously I understand where
Speaker 5: you're saying, we're going to talk about it, but I'm
Speaker 5: already ready to say, like, okay, then then they can
Speaker 5: move in with us, or let's figure out financially. We're
Speaker 5: gonna have to send this, you know, help contribute financially.
Speaker 5: Like I'm ready to go to that next step. Right,
Speaker 5: So all this.
Speaker 3: They need to talk about it, Okay, why didn't.
Speaker 5: I say, wait a minute, why didn't Laura I say,
Speaker 5: all right, here's what we're going to do instead of
Speaker 5: everyone always having to talk about it.
Speaker 1: But here, But here's the thing. I think that they're
Speaker 1: the imbalance between the verbal uh and mental abilities between
Speaker 1: Luke and Laureli are stark. And I think that Luke
Speaker 1: might be avoiding even opening up the ball on this
Speaker 1: conversation because he he probably fears he's going to get
Speaker 1: overwhelmed with logic and justification and he's not ready for
Speaker 1: that yet, you know what I mean. It's like getting
Speaker 1: into a conversation about something like this with laurel I
Speaker 1: is something he's just not ready for because he knows
Speaker 1: she's going to come at him, you know, with justifications,
Speaker 1: and he's just not ready for it yet.
Speaker 3: I agree he doesn't.
Speaker 1: He almost doesn't stand a chance with her, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 6: Well, but I mean Luke holds his own against laurel
Speaker 6: I all the time, Like they have that back and
Speaker 6: forth banter all the time, and you guys keep saying
Speaker 6: he's not ready. He's not ready, he's not ready. But like,
Speaker 6: don't forget that scene where they were buying the birthday
Speaker 6: present and he tells her why he doesn't want to
Speaker 6: bring her in. It's because of his ego and he's
Speaker 6: afraid that she's gonna like Lorelai better.
Speaker 3: I sort of always thought that was a little hooy
Speaker 3: but whatever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it felt a little like felt a little excusey funny.
Speaker 3: I never thought that was really what he was really, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I never.
Speaker 5: Believed that, But whatever, keep going, Susan, Well, that's fine, No,
Speaker 5: keep going, keep going.
Speaker 3: I want to hear like, No, I feel.
Speaker 6: Like We've beat this dead horse. I've said my opinion
Speaker 6: one hundred thousand times, So I don't I don't see
Speaker 6: the point and keep going over it.
Speaker 5: Because that's the whole show is for you that that's
Speaker 5: the whole show of this podcast is for you to
Speaker 5: keep giving your opinion because that's the conversation we're having.
Speaker 4: So like, I think that I think we're just never
Speaker 4: going to agree on on this, but I think to
Speaker 4: you know, I can relate to, you can create.
Speaker 5: A disagree because the way Loralai would probably come in
Speaker 5: is the same way I come in freaking hot with Hey,
Speaker 5: we're gonna we'll split time with her, she's gonna live here,
Speaker 5: I'll do this, I'll do this, and and Luke is
Speaker 5: overwhelmed by that. And that's why I think Scott's point
Speaker 5: is so well taken.
Speaker 1: I think I think that might be a little bit yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, but you know, I think I I think
Speaker 4: just still there's just no there's just a complete exclusion,
Speaker 4: which is the issue. So Lorlai can come in like
Speaker 4: that and Luken say, you know what, I need a
Speaker 4: second and I but he didn't. He didn't he shut
Speaker 4: her out. He's like, oh, you can't come. You can't
Speaker 4: come like who wants to be He honestly dismissed Lorelai
Speaker 4: for the whole front half of that April April situation
Speaker 4: until until the birthday party came. But she did take
Speaker 4: it like that. Lorelai took it like that, that was.
Speaker 3: Right and what I've always wanted.
Speaker 5: And this is, like I said, Abraham Hicks, right, this
Speaker 5: is this like if you go on YouTube, it's one
Speaker 5: of those self help people, right, and her whole process.
Speaker 5: I would love to hear her analyze this because it
Speaker 5: would be that Laura li I is making herself feel
Speaker 5: bad about this, not Luke. And I know that's kind
Speaker 5: of like hippy dippy woo wooy whatever, but that Laura
Speaker 5: li I, because she loves Luke, should trust Luke and
Speaker 5: his process that he needs for this instead of needing
Speaker 5: it to be the way she needs it to be.
Speaker 4: I think she was trying to do that. She was
Speaker 4: giving him.
Speaker 5: She was with a but always with a huffy puffy
Speaker 5: not she wasn't fully authentically doing it, Whereas when the
Speaker 5: roles were reversed.
Speaker 3: Luke really really gave her.
Speaker 5: What she needed when she was having her issues with
Speaker 5: Rory so my take on it, And again I don't
Speaker 5: know if I'm right or wrong.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's just my take, right, Like, that's like life is
Speaker 5: that she never feel fully.
Speaker 3: Was supportive of what his process was. She wanted her
Speaker 3: process to be his process, but it just wasn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and vice versa. I guess you can say.
Speaker 6: I mean I again, we've had this conversation before. I
Speaker 6: feel like she did support him because she did exactly
Speaker 6: what he asked of her, which was to stay back
Speaker 6: and not participate in anything. And so I feel like
Speaker 6: she was supporting him. She wasn't inserting herself. She wasn't
Speaker 6: showing up at the diner after he told her not to,
Speaker 6: and she wasn't like, you know, trying to meet April
Speaker 6: in any way other than what he wanted.
Speaker 5: So I feel like, so I get what you're saying,
Speaker 5: but she wasn't doing it internally, she was so like, it's.
Speaker 3: But that doesn't does it really matter?
Speaker 5: Why?
Speaker 3: Though for me.
Speaker 5: It does because it's why there was the explosion. It's
Speaker 5: being hard to get versus playing hard to get. That's
Speaker 5: the best comparison I can give you. When you play
Speaker 5: hard to get, it's all a game and it's all
Speaker 5: bs right, and you explode out and have an ultimatum
Speaker 5: exactly like she did. When you are hard to get
Speaker 5: it's very genuine and that you never have that because
Speaker 5: that is it is more core.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: So for me, Loralai was playing it and not being it.
Speaker 5: She was doing it, but she never was feeling it.
Speaker 5: She was feeling all the pain, which is exactly why.
Speaker 5: And I think the writing is brilliant. She exploded out
Speaker 5: because she was never authentically doing it.
Speaker 3: She was robotic. I don't know what the words are.
Speaker 3: Hopefully I'm conveying it.
Speaker 1: Now, I get. And you're saying that Luke was living
Speaker 1: that he wasn't playing at.
Speaker 3: It, correct, he was sort of yes, that's.
Speaker 1: In my he was being the genuine person and conveying
Speaker 1: his genuine feelings at the top of that whole situation
Speaker 1: like this is what I need right, respect it and
Speaker 1: this is not a game to me.
Speaker 3: He wasn't telling her, I mean he I.
Speaker 1: Mean, you can follow him for a lack of communication.
Speaker 1: You can follow him for that.
Speaker 5: But wait, the one thing I would hope and again
Speaker 5: that's why we're doing this. And Susanna know you're coughing
Speaker 5: the whole podcast is for everybody to keep giving their
Speaker 5: points right and not to be frustrated by continually having
Speaker 5: the conversation, because I do want to hear what everybody
Speaker 5: has to say and I can. I know you're getting frustrated.
Speaker 5: I don't want you to get frustrated.
Speaker 4: The next one is I don't hate Amy, and I'm
Speaker 4: not a bot. I just don't know how Amy basically
Speaker 4: bullies her opinions and not allow others to express their
Speaker 4: opinions without waiting for the to finish what they want
Speaker 4: to say. That being said, I feel that Anna should
Speaker 4: not have put those conditions on loralizing in April. If
Speaker 4: I were in larelized position, I would want to establish
Speaker 4: some sort of relationship with my future stepchild before I
Speaker 4: walk down the aisle. Most psychiatrists recommend that kids meet
Speaker 4: their parents' significant other at least nine months to a
Speaker 4: year after the couple start dating. Also to Anna's comment
Speaker 4: about how marriage signals stability, I would disagree with that
Speaker 4: in that there are many people who are in a
Speaker 4: state who are in a stable relationships who aren't necessarily married.
Speaker 4: I realize that Anna's view of romantic relationships is very outdated,
Speaker 4: but there are lots of couples who have been in
Speaker 4: a stable relationship for years without formalizing it. My mom's
Speaker 4: sister and her husband were in a relationship with each
Speaker 4: other for at least ten years before they got married.
Speaker 4: One can be in a marriage and it's very unstable.
Speaker 3: I totally agree that everything this person just said, including
Speaker 3: the top part.
Speaker 1: Most psychiatrists recommend that the kids meet their parents' significant
Speaker 1: other at least nine months to a year after the
Speaker 1: couple start dating.
Speaker 3: That's really interesting.
Speaker 5: You're not supposed to just date someone for two months
Speaker 5: and introduce them to your kids.
Speaker 3: If you believe what like.
Speaker 5: You do whatever you want everybody, but that's what the
Speaker 5: recommendation is.
Speaker 3: Well, go back to the top. So I can just
Speaker 3: take it in that I bully my opinions and not
Speaker 3: allow others to express their opinions without I don't.
Speaker 1: Think that's you know, you know, it may come off
Speaker 1: that way, but I think everybody here has no problems
Speaker 1: expressing their opinions. Have you ever had a problem just
Speaker 1: no opinion, nursuan or I've never had an issue expressing myself,
Speaker 1: and Danielle's never had an issue expressing. It's just that
Speaker 1: that when you believe that you you know, you're following
Speaker 1: a thread like a lawyer would in a case, and
Speaker 1: once to prove their point. That's all it is. And
Speaker 1: people can disagree, agree or disagree, but you know, nobody
Speaker 1: here has had a problem.
Speaker 3: No, And I always go and take it. I always listen.
Speaker 3: I also I also just think about it and go.
Speaker 1: But the thing is is when I'm talking about myself,
Speaker 1: please don't interrupt me.
Speaker 4: What were you saying?
Speaker 1: That's the only role we have here.
Speaker 7: I also just want to say, like I can't speak
Speaker 7: for everyone, but for me, like I never leave our
Speaker 7: episode thinking like I was treated like I couldn't say anything,
Speaker 7: and I just want to point that out, like I've
Speaker 7: never felt that way, or I've always left our Zoom
Speaker 7: meetings with like, you know, smile on my face. Was
Speaker 7: a good episode, and I've never felt negatively.
Speaker 3: So I just want to say that.
Speaker 5: It will be a bit boring if we were all
Speaker 5: just like, yeah, I think this, I agree with you, by.
Speaker 1: Let's actually let's do that. No, let's do that, let's
Speaker 1: do that right now, Let's do that right now.
Speaker 5: I also like do an episode without me, like I
Speaker 5: told Scott that I go why do I just do
Speaker 5: an episode without man?
Speaker 2: He's no?
Speaker 1: Okay, So wait a minute, was we just read this comment?
Speaker 1: I agree with everything me too, Amy does Danielle do
Speaker 1: you agree with everything that was said here? Yeah, of
Speaker 1: course you do. Of course you do. And Susanna agrees
Speaker 1: as well. We don't ask her, we could see by
Speaker 1: the look on her face she agrees. Tara, you agree
Speaker 1: to yep. Okay, good, let's move on now.
Speaker 5: I will say this person does make a good point
Speaker 5: in that Anna is sort of a real pill, right,
Speaker 5: Like I get what she's saying and protecting her kid,
Speaker 5: but like Luke and Laura, I've been together for like
Speaker 5: one hundred years, like friends and together, so I always
Speaker 5: thought Anna was sort of and I said it was
Speaker 5: like a bit she was a little.
Speaker 6: Over the top, I think. I mean, I think it's
Speaker 6: valid that she wants to protect her kid. I completely
Speaker 6: agree with that. But when she said something about how
Speaker 6: she wouldn't introduce her daughter to somebody until she's ready
Speaker 6: to get married, like that seems weird because what if
Speaker 6: your kid and your fiance don't get along like that?
Speaker 5: And also her point is that and it's like okay, right,
Speaker 5: and I'm engaged to this guy, so it was sort
Speaker 5: of dumb, Like I don't an I was dumb.
Speaker 4: It was just giving a reason why.
Speaker 7: Yeah, this person's comment of like her view on relationships
Speaker 7: a bit outdated. I actually never saw it that way,
Speaker 7: but I could see it now because I feel like
Speaker 7: these days, like if someone's not married but they've been together,
Speaker 7: I don't really question it.
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, I love the part in this comment
Speaker 5: where the person says there's so many bad marriages exactly
Speaker 5: like Luke and Lorli, unmarried, even not engaged, could have
Speaker 5: a way better, more stable, better relationship for a child
Speaker 5: than idiotic people who are married and like have them
Speaker 5: slew of problems. So whoever wrote this, I think that
Speaker 5: their comment is actually so perfect because they're being they're
Speaker 5: saying it so well, like.
Speaker 3: I just agree with everything they said, even.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Another I didn't realize this is going to be a
Speaker 5: ten part series, but let's do another one.
Speaker 1: Very very incisive commentary.
Speaker 3: Very fantastic episode of the podcast.
Speaker 5: I came very close to ending My Gilmore Girls rewatch
Speaker 5: because the Luke lower Light plot of season six seven
Speaker 5: is just too contrived. While Rory has very little to
Speaker 5: do this podcast saves it because it's interesting to listen
Speaker 5: to the show being discussed by a group of intelligent.
Speaker 3: Thoughtful people.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I love the.
Speaker 5: Fact that the pod crew have different perspectives on the
Speaker 5: show and characters. They challenge me as a viewer while
Speaker 5: keeping things lighthearted and being respectful to each other. Amy
Speaker 5: in particular is clearly an outstanding broadcaster and would love
Speaker 5: to see her doing different shows.
Speaker 1: My yea, how much.
Speaker 3: Missus sugarman.
Speaker 5: A second account This is from my finsta. No, I
Speaker 5: literally did not write this. I do not know the person,
Speaker 5: but that's so nice and thank you. And also that
Speaker 5: is the point, like we want you to listen because
Speaker 5: even if season six and seven.
Speaker 3: Blow, we're going to have a good time talking about it.
Speaker 5: And how about Scott. Scott was just on fire last week?
Speaker 1: What did I do? What did I do? It?
Speaker 3: We spewing stuff and it was and nothing.
Speaker 1: I'm always on fire, you know. Come on and in
Speaker 1: two plow the fans and I pulled everybody that came
Speaker 1: to see me, and it was a lot of people,
Speaker 1: good folks and I and they all listened the podcasts
Speaker 1: and I said, what do you think about this? You
Speaker 1: know what do you think about Amy? And they love
Speaker 1: Amy and they oh, oh god, we love her so much.
Speaker 1: So I got one of them on the phone because
Speaker 1: I knew Amy was, you know, a little bit you know, tender. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean she was getting an ass whooping, and I
Speaker 1: don't like to see that. Man, she's my girl. So
Speaker 1: this fan I called, I facetimed Amy and this fan
Speaker 1: so I said, we we love you.
Speaker 3: And I'm also find that I like bring it. I
Speaker 3: get it. It's your show.
Speaker 5: It's we're the you know, we talk, but it's your show,
Speaker 5: and we do pay attention.
Speaker 3: That is the one thing I will say. But anyway, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, all right, probably an unpopular opinion, but
Speaker 1: I don't think Luke and Lorelai is a great love story.
Speaker 3: Wow, let's hear it.
Speaker 1: I want to hear that's all right, easy, easy. I
Speaker 1: think they they could have been. I think they could
Speaker 1: have been because all the making for a great relationship
Speaker 1: was there, but they put so much conflict between them.
Speaker 1: We got such a small window of them being happy.
Speaker 1: And I know it's for the drama of the show
Speaker 1: exactly why, but it really takes away from my view
Speaker 1: of seeing them as a solid relationship true. Also, my
Speaker 1: take on Luke packing up the truck to Elope wasn't
Speaker 1: out of character. He was desperate and making a giant
Speaker 1: leap to get her back. Unfortunately it was too late
Speaker 1: for her.
Speaker 5: I kind of agree with everything this person is saying, too.
Speaker 5: There is so much conflict and issues we don't ever
Speaker 5: get to just enjoy how funny they could be together,
Speaker 5: or the antics they could have, like when they went
Speaker 5: to that party and they were driving.
Speaker 3: Home and Laura was all drunk, Like, we don't see
Speaker 3: enough of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, look if it's too The challenge in the
Speaker 1: writer's room is how do we balance? And I thought
Speaker 1: they did a great job of balancing out the needs,
Speaker 1: servicing the needs of a committed relationship that was a
Speaker 1: diyllic and the long suffering while not sort of giving
Speaker 1: up the ghost all the time, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, yeah, it's like how do you balance
Speaker 1: that and keep people engaged? And I think they did
Speaker 1: a beautiful job with that, with the conflict, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not disagreeing one hundred percent. I'm saying
Speaker 1: but again, you know, one thing I do know, and
Speaker 1: one thing writers experienced showrunners and experienced writers on TV
Speaker 1: tell me is that you give the audience what they want,
Speaker 1: they're going to go away. You've got to keep.
Speaker 3: That so true. I mean the Moonlighting is a perfect example.
Speaker 5: Remember everybody wanted Maddie and whatever, well, Maddian.
Speaker 1: Whatever, but David, oh yeah, David.
Speaker 5: Maddie, thank you, and then it was like wow. And
Speaker 5: even Ross and Rachel it wasn't just smooth sailing, even
Speaker 5: though we all kind of knew they would end up together. Anyway,
Speaker 5: let's do a couple more. We're running out of time,
Speaker 5: and I'm not interrupting.
Speaker 3: I'm just telling everybody.
Speaker 4: Do you want me to go?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I'm with Tara.
Speaker 4: And that over. I like revival episodes more than season seven.
Speaker 4: The good stuff from season seven towards the end is
Speaker 4: not enough to make up for the lack of how
Speaker 4: much it sucks for the majority of it. For me,
Speaker 4: it's because of Christopher. Season seven. He is there constantly
Speaker 4: into the second half. They take his character that ninety
Speaker 4: nine percent of fans hate and shove him Onmar's screens,
Speaker 4: down our throats for half the season, always around, always
Speaker 4: with Laura Li. He completely drags the show down with
Speaker 4: his presence. Not only that during all of this there's
Speaker 4: zero to very little interaction with Luke and Laura Lai.
Speaker 4: You take one of the most beloved relationships on the
Speaker 4: low on the show, Luke and Laurli, and completely take
Speaker 4: it from us, their friendship included, and replace it with
Speaker 4: one of the most hated relationships of the show, Christopher
Speaker 4: and Lauralai. And as the audience, we're just supposed to
Speaker 4: accept that that's how things are now. No, this was
Speaker 4: such a poor writing choice and a disservice to fans.
Speaker 4: It's even things like Laurli going to the diner that
Speaker 4: is one of the most staple parts of the show.
Speaker 4: Literally the first scene of the show is Lauraai going
Speaker 4: into the diner, but season seven until episode nineteen, when
Speaker 4: the season is almost over, before she steps foot in
Speaker 4: there again spoiler alert. Taking these major things of what
Speaker 4: the fans love about the show away makes the show
Speaker 4: not what it once was. And if I had been
Speaker 4: watching it live, I would have been one of the
Speaker 4: viewers who dropped out. And the revival episodes, even with
Speaker 4: their flaws, we have zero interaction with Laura Lai and Christopher.
Speaker 4: Luke and Loreli are together. Oh spoiler and Christopher is
Speaker 4: the only one is only in one short scene, and
Speaker 4: so for those reasons alone, that makes the Revival episodes
Speaker 4: more enjoyable to me as the as the whole than
Speaker 4: season seven.
Speaker 5: Yeah, good points in here. I totally agree with every
Speaker 5: part of it, but great points.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 7: I think that's why I enjoyed the revival is because
Speaker 7: season seven really takes you out of that comfort. Like Laura,
Speaker 7: I would go to the Zigner every day and I
Speaker 7: didn't even realize it was until episode seven that she doesn't.
Speaker 3: Step no episode nineteen, I'm sorry of.
Speaker 7: Season seven, episode nineteen, Yeah, that she doesn't even step foot,
Speaker 7: and that kind of takes you away from your comfort show.
Speaker 5: Yeah right, there's things in season Steven I do like,
Speaker 5: and obviously we're gonna break it all down, but this
Speaker 5: person makes great points.
Speaker 3: We can all be right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know the thing, you know, what I'm getting
Speaker 1: out of this is just how engaged and how smart
Speaker 1: these fans are.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh totally and they have We're not even
Speaker 5: doing some of the things today because.
Speaker 3: We wanted to be a little more broad.
Speaker 5: Sometimes they see things that I'm like, huhn.
Speaker 1: Amazing analytical and critical abilities.
Speaker 7: And the way they like call back to like four
Speaker 7: seasons ago, and they're like, well, this is the reason why,
Speaker 7: And I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, well, that's what Suzanne is so good about. Suzannah.
Speaker 5: Her voice is kind of going, but hopefully she's here.
Speaker 5: Is like Suzanne is the fan like that, that.
Speaker 3: Is, she just probably has a better memory, is able
Speaker 3: to bring something from past seasons into the conversation with us,
Speaker 3: which is why she is the queen. Even though you're
Speaker 3: gonna say, I'm mom.
Speaker 7: Well, we all watch shows differently as well, Like I'm
Speaker 7: someone who, like I may not take note on every
Speaker 7: little thing, but I enjoy the ride, and there are
Speaker 7: people who watch it and really take note on every
Speaker 7: little thing. And I think that's also what we have
Speaker 7: to remember as we sit here and Rewatch and the
Speaker 7: fans Rewatch, like we all watch them in a different way.
Speaker 3: Totally. That's such a good point. Like I have my
Speaker 3: shows that I iron to, and then I have my
Speaker 3: shows that I have to focus.
Speaker 5: The whole thing, and then I have my shows where
Speaker 5: I'm doing my emails and I pretty much think I
Speaker 5: miss half the show if you're doing yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3: Okay, this person makes a great point.
Speaker 5: To me, Lorla not checking up on Luke after the
Speaker 5: car crash into his diner emphasize how she truly believed
Speaker 5: that she'd lost him for good.
Speaker 3: I think that's an amazingly good point.
Speaker 5: I actually think that she would have run over there anyway,
Speaker 5: not just as her fiance, but as her best friend too.
Speaker 5: Here's the thing, Laura and Luke's relationship is rooted in
Speaker 5: a decade long close friendship. Even if they aren't in
Speaker 5: a real romantic relationship with each other, they still have
Speaker 5: a platonic relationship that means just as much to them.
Speaker 5: I totally also agree their first breakup in season five
Speaker 5: highlights this too, when Laura's breaking down and calling Luke
Speaker 5: to come over because she really needs her best friend
Speaker 5: to be there.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: In season seven, for the first time ever, it feels
Speaker 5: like they lost that friendship. This is such great points
Speaker 5: how much that was done was too severe to figure
Speaker 5: at all lost by laurlat Danielle. I think it's also
Speaker 5: important to note that Luke and LAURAAI first became friends
Speaker 5: again before getting back together in the finale. They're best
Speaker 5: friends first and foremost, and Lauraai not running over to
Speaker 5: Luke's in this episode shows they've lost that as well.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is very a stupid yea, yeah, really good.
Speaker 6: It kind of goes back to the the bumper analogy
Speaker 6: in that last episode.
Speaker 3: It's like.
Speaker 6: She's not only not in the car, but now she
Speaker 6: can't even hold onto the bumper anymore. It's like the
Speaker 6: whole thing is completely broken off. It's the engagement and
Speaker 6: the friendship and she just needs to draw that bright
Speaker 6: line that this is this is done. Like I can't
Speaker 6: go check on him because it just needs to be.
Speaker 1: Or less, we're not really friends anymore. If you can't
Speaker 1: share April with me, right, it's a friend would do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting. That's a very interesting point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it. Scott. You read it.
Speaker 1: Scott is one hundred percent right, and that's it. Thanks everybody,
Speaker 1: this one. Scott is one hundred percent right. It was
Speaker 1: a cruel and odd way to go about this relationship.
Speaker 1: It was completely off. I absolutely hated the way Laurel
Speaker 1: I was in this episode. I'm not sure if I'm
Speaker 1: the only one, but instead of having a conversation, she
Speaker 1: gave him an ultimatum, and that's just not how you'd
Speaker 1: approach a love like their I agree, I agree interest
Speaker 1: great point.
Speaker 5: And I get that she exploded totally fine. I'm totally
Speaker 5: with her explosion's totally fine with the ultimatum, then she
Speaker 5: needed to calm down and then they could have solved it.
Speaker 1: So because of these comments, maybe re examine some of
Speaker 1: my thoughts about the writing. Maybe the writing is so
Speaker 1: good that it it begs all of these questions in
Speaker 1: all of this controversy. Right, Well, that.
Speaker 3: To me is what I love about the show.
Speaker 5: Like I love that for twelve weeks we've been having
Speaker 5: the same conversation that doesn't bother me. I get that
Speaker 5: other people don't feel that same way. I mean, I
Speaker 5: have a friend and we've been having the same conversation
Speaker 5: for three years about her relationship. Three years, and I'm
Speaker 5: I'm happy to every day I have it again and
Speaker 5: I'm fine. But I get how some people we'll find
Speaker 5: that frustrating.
Speaker 3: I just don't so this.
Speaker 5: I thought we were gonna get through twenty five comments.
Speaker 5: We've gone through like seven, So I don't know.
Speaker 3: I liked this. I think we can definitely bring this
Speaker 3: back again. Maybe we will. We'll go through a few
Speaker 3: more episodes, and.
Speaker 1: Then I think it's eye opening. I really like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah I was.
Speaker 1: When you told me what this was, I was like,
Speaker 1: but this is really eye opening. Yeah, Mark, folks, well
Speaker 1: I must say that was quite refreshing. Amy, Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for doing this.
Speaker 3: Yeah we did good. I did have a lot of comments.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but enough. I mean, I think it represents but
Speaker 1: we had.
Speaker 5: To read them all, so the pain of reading them
Speaker 5: all to find the ones we were right.
Speaker 1: And you know that's why you get the big dollars,
Speaker 1: because you take the big hits.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Anyway, one thing is for sure, it's possible to love
Speaker 1: the fans as much as we do and love Amy
Speaker 1: as much as we do, and.
Speaker 3: We appreciate her.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you guys. We disagree with you guys, sometimes
Speaker 1: we disagree with Amy Amy, but we can all agree
Speaker 1: that we're having one heck of a fun ride on
Speaker 1: this podcast. And you know it was a phone call
Speaker 1: to Amy what three years ago? And look, look look
Speaker 1: at us now, I mean, and I think we all
Speaker 1: look forward to this every week, get together. We get
Speaker 1: to see each other and.
Speaker 3: Even when you make me do it so early.
Speaker 1: Even when it's early, you know, anyway, all the best
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