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Speaker 1: Hey listener, Hello, and welcome to our big podcast, to

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Speaker 1: our biggest podcast yet. It's the podcast event of the

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Speaker 1: season in terms of podcasts. This is the big one.

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Speaker 1: You've heard of a small podcast, Well, we took that

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Speaker 1: the biggest podcast we could. But if something small could

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Speaker 1: be big, this is the premise of today's podcast. It's

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Speaker 1: like when they make an SNL sketch into a movie

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Speaker 1: and you're like a mc grouber movie, I mean, can

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Speaker 1: you're like, honestly pretty good. Well, it depends on who's

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Speaker 1: perspective you're coming from, because I feel like a lot

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Speaker 1: of critics their perspective was no, they failed. The Grouper

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Speaker 1: movie has failed us and audiences. On the other hand,

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Speaker 1: exactly what we want. There he goes with his populism again.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's so interesting the people know what they want?

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Speaker 1: Are are? You know? And I'm here representing the elites,

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Speaker 1: And I actually would argue that the people don't know

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Speaker 1: so rich coming from you. It is rich as in Wealthy.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, so George, Um, this is our second EP

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Speaker 1: in Choir. Yeah, first one success absolute monster truck race

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Speaker 1: of an Epp. This absolutely killed, it crushed, our crossed

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Speaker 1: um In terms of also recording in Quarantine, Yes, uh

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Speaker 1: it felt so current, so topical. You know, it's really

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Speaker 1: just a lot of critics are calling that episode a

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Speaker 1: snapshot of our time. Yeah, but also timeless and classic

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Speaker 1: kind of old Hollywood I heard, but also futuristic. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like what if Ryan Murphy's Hollywood was good and that

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Speaker 1: you're taking all the kind of most uh easy to

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Speaker 1: through the mind of someone who, um does not have

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Speaker 1: except we are doing it well to be to be

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Speaker 1: completely honest, you were cutting in and out throughout that

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Speaker 1: for me, I don't know. I don't know if that

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Speaker 1: not the chromatic of not the rain on Me video,

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Speaker 1: but the rain on Me. Um response was fully orchestrated

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Speaker 1: by her behind the scenes. Yeah that is so true. Um.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome to the podcast that we call Stradio lab

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Speaker 1: Ammer the Cross to Bear I have going forward now

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Speaker 1: from that intro, Amy you. Much like Russia and our election.

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Speaker 1: You completely orchestrated the entire response of this, both song

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Speaker 1: you are obviously the leader of a large team. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't all you. Um, But first of all, congrats some

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Speaker 1: being a badass business bitch, girl boss, women in stem

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Speaker 1: in charge. Thank you so much. I mean, that's the

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Speaker 1: first time someone's ever put it that way. And when

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Speaker 1: I hear yeah, to me, it's like a given with you,

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Speaker 1: you know, thank you, thank you, and it's nice to

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Speaker 1: hear that language altogether at once. U. I mean, be honest,

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Speaker 1: how do you feel being back on Stradio lab Well, um, well,

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Speaker 1: certainly multitude of feelings coming back. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: basically what you're referencing, and I guess we'll go ahead

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Speaker 1: and say it is that our second ever episode that

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Speaker 1: was recorded many months. I mean, this was kind of

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Speaker 1: to we were making a lot more money back then. Yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: I actually kind of agree with you. I feel like,

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Speaker 1: what do we say? But the exactly see what I

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Speaker 1: So we had you on one of the lost episodes. Um,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna you know, go ahead and delete this episode

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Speaker 1: as soon as we finished recording, Like, I would love

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Speaker 1: to know what's going on in your head right now? Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, God knows, I feel like I you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm complete, right, George, Right, George? Do you okay you hate? No? No,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't. Here's I haven't fully Um,

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Speaker 1: I think that the the this Gaga era and Chromatica,

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Speaker 1: uh national anthem of Chromatica. Is me saying that in

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Speaker 1: that monotone voice. But Amy, give give us so obviously,

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Speaker 1: I mean this is like Howard Stern level. Give us

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Speaker 1: the Okay, well, one big takeaway I had after listening

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Speaker 1: something I just kept repeating to myself as a detail

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Speaker 1: my roommate has like is a lighting designer and has

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Speaker 1: you had rain falling down on you with a blue

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Speaker 1: led light. You basically decided to recreate the entire music video.

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Speaker 1: It was before the music video. It was a procreation. Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: now that's insane. It's crazy that you could have predicted

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Speaker 1: wet and even potentially rain. Yeah. Not many saw that coming,

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Speaker 1: dangled in front of me, like just wait a little longer,

423
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: Just wait a little longer, you little piggy, and and

424
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: then um, but today I did get my big release,

425
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: I guess because of Rain On Me. But I was

426
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: starting to get very upset, and I was starting to

427
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: see Stupid Love as like a taunt. Yeah does that

428
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: make any sense? Or am I absolutely insane? All right, No,

429
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: it's making sense, George, just hung up. I do have

430
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: this theory that like anybody who like is at all

431
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: interested in Lady Gaga is like really hardcore, psychologically invested in,

432
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: like the is not being a total fluke. That is

433
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: exactly what it is. Yeah, It's like you're it's just

434
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: faith or hope that like this decade was not a

435
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: total ruse, and you know that is exactly what it is. Yes,

436
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Yeah, and it's like really painful

437
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: and char urged in intense. But that I think is

438
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: why people are so happy that she did something right,

439
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: you know, and that everything aligned the right way, and

440
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: she did she took the biggest pop star outside, you know,

441
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: like she took Mariana and put her in and like

442
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: the lighting is good, you know, it's and it's like

443
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: everything I believed in is not totally a loss. I

444
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: just want to I want to raise a slightly opposite point,

445
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: which is that there is a certain sadness I feel

446
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: about it because it is it is like it is

447
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: gesturing towards that time. It is gesturing towards the kind

448
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: of happiness you you felt as a young uh uh

449
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: person listening to Bad Romance or or whatever. But it

450
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: doesn't reach that height. So then that almost in some

451
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: way is almost sadder than not getting there at all,

452
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: because it's like, well, it's like you have to go ahead.

453
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: It's like a roller coaster where only the it can't

454
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: go as high as the first drop. Yeah, I mean,

455
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: but I also have come to not expect that from

456
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: her since maybe that song and it's been bread crumbed today. Yeah,

457
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: edged we thought we were never going to get that

458
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: bread and then we hadged our way out of it.

459
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: We just got a big loaf everything. Yeah, but I think, well,

460
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: this is what I think. I don't know why I'm

461
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: buying into the like Pied Piper of Chromatica is the

462
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: whole story around like she had a breakdown around being

463
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: whatever that thing was. That makes you feel like the

464
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: initial joy of like tens or bad romance or something.

465
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: And and then the way, I don't know, you can

466
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: really like project a lot onto like a pop cultural

467
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: figure that big. Yeah, yeah, yeah, not many people would

468
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 1: say that, but yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot

469
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: you can do there. Um, but any I don't know anyway,

470
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: I like that the whole thing is like I was,

471
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: I like any pop music that's like I've been absolutely

472
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: emotionally devastated and wrecked to the ground and here's a

473
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: functional beat to put it on. You know. I like

474
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: that almost any time. So I like that this album

475
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: is about that, or it's supposed to be. When I

476
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: need this and I need this, Yeah, that's why I

477
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: do feel that way. I feel like I need this,

478
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: I feel like I deserve this. I feel like I

479
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: put this song out. Does that make any sense, like

480
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: don't feel like you put it out. Yeah. Yeah, and

481
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: that's how it's supposed to feel. I think you're wondering

482
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: how to charting, You're wondering how it's doing. Yeah, I

483
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: I literally I'm liking her Instagram posts. I'm liking the

484
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: tweets something I think I retweeted once, Like I'm pretending

485
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: like this matters in a way that is so sad

486
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: when you actually think about it. I don't know what

487
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: is with me. Well, to me, it's like so sad.

488
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: It's really funny. I mean I'm in the way that

489
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: I'm like engaging with it. To me, it's like so hard.

490
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: I mean much of what it's fun for me is

491
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: like this is so twisted that this is making me

492
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: laugh that to invest in this is a clear sign

493
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: of something else. It's dark. It's dark. I think we

494
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: could go. I really wanted to tweet like that, and

495
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: I was like, obviously, you know suicide is not funny.

496
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: But I genuinely felt like if this song is bad,

497
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what I will live for it is well,

498
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: it just has been disappointment after disappointment under um bizarre conditions,

499
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, we need a four on the floor.

500
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: We need to feel okay, I stat Yeah, yeah, dr

501
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: imagery coming to mind. Oh I mean that's relevant to

502
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: our podcast even yeah. Um yeah, so this is crazy

503
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: that this is a podcast about straight culture. Yeah well

504
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that when we started, because I

505
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, we're gonna talk about Lady Gaga. But

506
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: I also thought, you know, there's an argument to be

507
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: made that Lady Gaga is a gay icon too for

508
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: straight people to understand gay culture. Okay, A bomb literally

509
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: just got draw, you know what I mean, Like, oh, like,

510
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: what's you know, someone looking outside looking in? What's queer culture?

511
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. Lady all Go, she's a cross side,

512
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: she's looking both out. And then yeah, I find that

513
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: weird because I'm like when people are like, like, if

514
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: someone assumes I like Lady Gaga, it's like shut up,

515
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: like of course, and then like but obviously also it's like, well,

516
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: of course I love her, like, but don't assume I do.

517
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: Like I I earned it. I work hard at this. Yeah. Well,

518
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: that's just a thought I had about how to like

519
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: shoehorn it into the pod. But I think that is

520
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: a case to be made. Well, I think it's George,

521
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: what do you think. I'm like, I'm struggling to articulate

522
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: how I feel because I don't, unfortunately share this elation

523
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: that you're both expressing. And I'm like, I want, I

524
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: want to be there and there, I like want to

525
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: just fully let myself participate in it. But there's something

526
00:34:55,360 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: so melancholic about like the release of this song. Oh

527
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: you know, he throws around melancholic. I would agree with you,

528
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: though I don't think this is like I would. I

529
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: would tell you I want to hear more on that.

530
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, I wonder, I wonder what it would take

531
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: to satisfy me. You know. Yeah, well that's another thing,

532
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: and that's another and that's another thing. Add that to

533
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: the list, right, But yeah, talk us through it, talk

534
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: us through it. I guess I just like don't know

535
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: if I believe in pop music as much as I

536
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: once did. Yeah, well, I think even in having fun

537
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: with this, there's the quiet knowing that I feel the

538
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: same way. I mean, it's like, if if the music

539
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: industry is a hellhole of abuse and like awful people,

540
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: then is it enough to every now and then get

541
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: some person and some woman to be like to feel

542
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: temporarily performatively empowered for my own enjoyment, and then I'm like,

543
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: well worth it. One could argue how genuine or not

544
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: genuine that all is. I'm sure there's plenty of people

545
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: who would, but you know, I mean, I think it's

546
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: a I'm in no way calling her an authentic. Also,

547
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: we need to nip this in the bud. I'm I'm

548
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: in no way calling her or not authentic. Um. I

549
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: I think like part of the part of the happiness,

550
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: part part of the joy of something like um, of

551
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: something like Lady's music is that it is tinged with

552
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: a bit of like sadness, and you know, a bit

553
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: of kind of like nodding to things that are like

554
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: more dark. And I understand that, and there are moments

555
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: when the darkness like overcomes, and then I feel that

556
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: more than the joy, is what I'm trying to say.

557
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: Does that make sense of her the darkness that is

558
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: the undercurrent of her music and of all pop music? Right? Yeah,

559
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's a good point. I think,

560
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: but you know what that might just be because I'm

561
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: in a bad mood, I mean, And you have to

562
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: take that into account from a cultural level, and from

563
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: a social level, and yeah, we level. We definitely need

564
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: to disclose that up top because like now your whole

565
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: analysis is kind of like like can we even trust it?

566
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, no, you definitely no. But I think

567
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: we can because I think I think any reaction under

568
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: lockdown to this song is valid. Yeah all you know

569
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 1: how there's no ethical consumption under capitalism. There is only

570
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 1: ethical reaction under lockdown. Yeah, I kind of feel that's

571
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: true to be. But that's what's dangerous about that is

572
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: everyone sort of acting on their you know, oh, what

573
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: do you say? What's up acting on I said ethical reactions.

574
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: You're saying everyone's feels liberated to not at all think

575
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,959
Speaker 1: where they act or speak speak. Yeah, yes, because there's

576
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: nothing to do but scream. So I think people are

577
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: really doing that. And I'm like, thank god, this one

578
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: more thing I was going to say. I was like,

579
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: thank god this song is not happy. It would have

580
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: been a disaster in the twitter sphere. I think I

581
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: completely agree. Um. And it's also I think we're in

582
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: a point where the things being released now are all

583
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: obviously things that were and by things I mean like

584
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 1: any kind of visual, uh, piece of culture. It's all

585
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: things that were recorded or filmed, you know, progressively closer

586
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 1: and closer to when this all happened. And it almost

587
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: feels like we are every time a new thing is released,

588
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: we are then slowly running out of new things that

589
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: are at some point going to come out, and then

590
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: it's only going to be like some weird web series

591
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: on Zoom. Yeah. Yeah, it's a it's a um, non

592
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: renewable source is That's exactly what it is. Yeah, I

593
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: was like, come on, eighth grade, what was that word? Yeah,

594
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: it is tough to confront. Well, that's what I mean about, like, oh, um,

595
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: I've pinged this song into every part of my frontal

596
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: lobe and the span of twelve hours, and now I'm

597
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: ready for that lobe to be removed from my brain

598
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: and continue on with whatever happens next. And what you

599
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean Like it's getting it's getting strange. Yeah,

600
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: let's take that it. Wow. Yeah, should we do our

601
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: first segment? Yea, let's do our first segment. First segment yet. No, No,

602
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: we're actually cutting everything that we just said. That was

603
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: just kind of so that we could sort of again. Okay,

604
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: I'm starting to feel this is personal. Hey By the

605
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: way aims, could you um record next week? Um, we're

606
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: having a This is bread crumming, this is podcast edging.

607
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: It just recording a series of episodes without ever releasing

608
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: any of them. I mean that's the dream, and having

609
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: each one be more emotionally draining than the last. Okay,

610
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: so Amy, you know the drill. Our first episode, Our

611
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: first segment is called straight Shooters. We um investigate how

612
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: much you know about straight culture through you answering a

613
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: series of rapid fire questions and are you ready to begin? Yes? Okay,

614
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: Hamilton's the musical or Hamilton's the real life historical figure,

615
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: Hamilton's the musical, Dilbert or Kathy Kathy? Is this just? Um?

616
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: What's later? You're not allowed to be you're overthinking it. Cereal,

617
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: Let's yeah, Cereal snap crackle pop or zip zap zop

618
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: the kind of symbolic implications of a window, or the

619
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 1: symbolic implications of a door, door teacher or professor teacher,

620
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: United Airlines or the United States of America. Ah, that's hard. Yeah,

621
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: this one stomps a lot of people. Keep in mind,

622
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: there is a right and wrong. Yeah, Well I'm gonna

623
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: go oh my god. Well, I'm gonna USA. I guess

624
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: so close, so close, I'm gonna say United. Wait can

625
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: I argue it? Oh man, I was gonna say. I

626
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: was gonna go. You know what, We'll do an exception

627
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: and let you argue it. Sam, Do you have one more?

628
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: I have one more? Um castanza? Yeah, okay, correct. Wait,

629
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 1: your score is six point to seven, which is really

630
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: really good. You're saying I got a D in quarantine.

631
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: You're trying to tell me literally like letters. That's not

632
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: part of this. But here I do want you to

633
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: argue why, between United Airlines and the United States of

634
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: America you picked the United States of America. Well, you

635
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: you are evading the details of this game, which is

636
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: am I deciding what is straighter or not? Okay, but

637
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: in and we're gonna grow that question back at you

638
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: and say why did you choose Wow? Well, without any

639
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: quantifiable information before me, I will say that I wanted

640
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 1: to answer in a sort of forward thinking, progressively minded

641
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 1: vision of the country, which is a pretty big, pretty

642
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: powerful of me to do at a time like this,

643
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: which is to imagine that the United States of America

644
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: would somehow be less straight somehow in the future and

645
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: go United Airlines because it's got to be the straightest

646
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: of the airlines. Um, interesting and just problems, you know.

647
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: So we we can we can each say how we

648
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: interpreted this question. For me, United Airlines versus the United

649
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: States of America is a classic private versus public sector.

650
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so that's a part of this. Just want

651
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: to go on record, No, I not only for this

652
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: question and only from my answer. Okay, yeah, yeah. And

653
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: you know you would think, Okay, George, you're a progressive guy,

654
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: why would you choose you know, you're kind of a

655
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: famous UM political activists. Why would you choose the private

656
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: sector over the public sector? And it is because, um,

657
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: because you know what, I don't like this administration. Wow,

658
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: that's really amazing for you to come out and say that.

659
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: That's amazing you're putting our podcast. Things are so bad

660
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: that I'm like, actually, maybe we should be looking to

661
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: private companies. George, George, did you realize what you're saying?

662
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: Do you? Damn? I guess I never thought about it

663
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: like that. Okay, Sam, what would you have chosen? UM

664
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: in United States or United Airline the United The famous

665
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: Supreme Court case United States versus United Airlines seminal. Yeah,

666
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: this one was Ruth Bader Ginsburg's first case where she

667
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: famous who wrote her defense where she was like, um,

668
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: she was like, it is if you're a duck. And

669
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: that's why I stand RBG always will have little mugs

670
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: and earrings and teacups and little erasers all r BG

671
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: all the time. Baby, let's get a woman in a house.

672
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: Let's let's just say, let's just generalize, let's get a

673
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: woman in a house. It's when you reframe it that

674
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: way then it seems like we are so much closer

675
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: because there are so many houses at this moment houses,

676
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean in many different kinds of houses and apartments

677
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 1: and bar that one could not be in another house

678
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 1: at some point in the future and history is absolutely preposterous.

679
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: We want to get a specific woman in a specific

680
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: house reeks to me of elitism. Which woman. It's like,

681
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: what if it was a collective struggle where various people

682
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: were in houses? And George, I just want to say,

683
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: I really appreciate your inclusive language of including barn women.

684
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: You know, so often we hear about houses, and we

685
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: hear about apartments, but rarely do we hear about these

686
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: women that live in Barnes. This is so powerful for

687
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: Aren't podcast to draw attention to there has literally never

688
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: been a barn woman, uh, Senator, governor, CEO. They don't

689
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: get me started on tech, don't started. But always they

690
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: never rise to the C suite. They're always like level managers. Yeah.

691
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: And then and then they have them eating with the

692
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: boss and he's like, this isn't about the barn and

693
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: about you Just to sit there and say, okay, sure,

694
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: like I haven't heard this tart of your time in

695
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: my career, in my career as a woman, as a woman,

696
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: as a tech bar woman impact. And you know what

697
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: if I in our podcast, if we if we can

698
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: even make one barn woman feel like maybe she can

699
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: aim higher. Yeah yeah, So I guess I want to

700
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: say bye bye to mix Emma as our ideal listener,

701
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: and hello barn woman bar woman as our ideal listener.

702
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: She's a Bard graduate and she's constantly mixed Emma pronouncers

703
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: she and yeah, and she's always making soup. Um. Wow.

704
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: It's interesting. It's interesting. Initially make was always making an

705
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: Alison Roman stew, but now that Alison Roman is a

706
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: canceled and be in fact on leave. Um, from the

707
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: New York I knew. I knew that a shadow of

708
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: a doubt. You would you George would bring bring that up. Well,

709
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: we've talked about Alison Roman now and I think two

710
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: or three episodes. Yeah, there was one up where I

711
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: pretended to know who she was and I had no idea,

712
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 1: but no one called it out. I came out last

713
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: episode as Sam by faking it actually knew more about

714
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: her than I did. I actually didn't know anything about

715
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: Alison Roman. I was just kind of like, oh, is

716
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: she a barned woman? Not? If not, I don't want

717
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: to hear about it. I have a thing. I have

718
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: a question that I feel like might work for this

719
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: particular episode. You should ask, And then I also have

720
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 1: a follow up gone. We had a segment once with

721
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: Celeste called She's just not there yet, and I was wondering.

722
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 1: You know, the example we gave was Janelle Monet and

723
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: we we want people to be icon stars and Janelle

724
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: Monee she's just not there yet, and it's like like

725
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: we want her to be there, but she's just not

726
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: want to be there. But does she want to be there?

727
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: You know what? Amy she does? She really wants to

728
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: be there so I guess in the vein of that

729
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: segment is lady I got there yet? Oh yeah, I

730
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: mean I'm sorry, she's already done too much to go

731
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: back from here, even if she absolutely face plants with

732
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: this album. I mean, it's almost in her failure that

733
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: she's transcended into a legend. I think that's genius, genius, genius.

734
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I think, I mean, I think, yeah,

735
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, and maybe it maybe this is just

736
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: like indicative of maybe a decade long where like she,

737
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: her and just a few other women mostly made up

738
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: pop culture and we haven't had like much or we've

739
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: had a lot, but it's only been a couple of people.

740
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: So like, I think her body of work, you know,

741
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: puts her in that category. I think she's there. So

742
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: her this this segment and then it's called, yeah, she's there.

743
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: What about Okay? Alice and Roman hm m hmm. Why.

744
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: I just I had like a really intuitive feeling that

745
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: you both were going to ask me about Alison Roman

746
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 1: when I didn't want to talk about it. I just knew.

747
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: I woke up this morning and I was like, I

748
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: know we're talking about rain on me, but they're going

749
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 1: to ask me about Alice and Roman. And we've never

750
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: talked about Alice and Roman before. You know, intuitively it

751
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: was going to come up. And yet you're evading the question,

752
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: you're edging us. It's amazing that you would kind of

753
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: gas lit a woman at this time in history and

754
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: sort of change the rules of everything and pin me

755
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: into a corner. And even as you're saying that, I

756
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: can I can tell from your voice you you don't

757
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: believe it. Yeah, okay, once again this check out the movie,

758
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: the film Gaslight, maybe the idea will Sleep. I love that. Yeah.

759
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 1: We love film, Oh, absolutely love We love film. Film

760
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: like movies. I love those things. I'll picture the talkies. Yeah, yeah,

761
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 1: this is one of those talkies. Yeah. Well, so Amy,

762
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: have you ever cooked a recipe from Alison Roman? What

763
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: do you want out of this? What do you look?

764
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: What is Frost Nixon right now? It suddenly has become

765
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: Frost Nixon? What are you trying to get that I'm

766
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: a bad person, that I did something bad to the

767
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: American public. I didn't. I'm not sure which one is bad,

768
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: cooking or not cooking? Um, I gotta say when this happened,

769
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: this podcast, no, the whole Yeah, when yeah, Amy, when

770
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: it happened, shut out George. It's easy to get me. Um, yeah,

771
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: I made I made a thing or two. Okay, okay,

772
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: what about you. This is what I've already said. I've said,

773
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: and you know what, I don't give a fuck. I've

774
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 1: said it publicly. I have made many Alice and Roman

775
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: recipes and in fact, and it's I don't know if

776
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: I actually said this in our previous recording. I coincidentally

777
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 1: eight one the night that story broke unreal, I'm real

778
00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: And how how could you swallow that figuratively with pride? Wow? Say,

779
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: I really don't like Allison Roman? Really is that true?

780
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: I just again welcome this morning, poured myself in the coffee.

781
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 1: I was like, they're gonna talk about Allison Roman. Here's

782
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: the thing with Allison Roman, which I find so um.

783
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: I like what she brings out in me because and

784
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, because I find her brand to

785
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: be so frustrating and annoying. I think I would not

786
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, I don't like watching her videos. However, somehow

787
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: with her I have the maturity to be like, but

788
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: I like these recipes. So you're separating the art from

789
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: the artist. I'm sparing the art from the artist, and

790
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: I never I am never. I usually I'm not able

791
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: to do that. Yeah, I only do it with Alison

792
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: Roman and Woody Yeah, and I think or else you

793
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: need to go from there? You know, Blue Jasmine? What

794
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: do you think Blue Jasmine would be like if instead

795
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: of Cape Blanchett it was Alison Roman and the role.

796
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say, was Twitter happening when that

797
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: movie came out? It was? Yeah, Yeah, I would say

798
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: that was that would be like almost a Twitter production.

799
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: I think it would be a visual feast. Yeah, it's

800
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: just like cook yeah, meenious. People are going to write

801
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: about that riffon Vulture. Damn. Um what else do you

802
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: want to know? Okay, okay, um, this literally isn't like

803
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: a pop culture necessarily podcast. And I don't know, I

804
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: don't really like let's not let's let's drop it. I'm sorry,

805
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: Like it's no, no, don't don't apologize ever for being you.

806
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: You are gorgeous, you are beautiful, and you were born

807
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: this way. Probably where do we go? Like, what were

808
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: you going to say? Do you have a were you

809
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 1: about to pivot? Sam? I wanted to pivot? But what

810
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: was in my mind was another pop culture thing and

811
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 1: that felt what that bring it up? Okay, what if

812
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: you literally say it and then we're not allowed to

813
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: address it? Just you have to put it out there.

814
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: Lay Oh god, Yeah, I knew all the white women

815
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: discourse was just gonna like come surging my way. Yeah,

816
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: I just it's not been It's not been the best week.

817
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: You know, it's not been the best week, not the

818
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: best week for the for the community, which is crazy

819
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: because the last month or so have been incredible, which

820
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: a really good couple of decades. Yeah, I would say

821
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: a long time has been pretty good, well, starting with

822
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: Riff Bader Ginsburg all the way to Barn Women. And

823
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: would be absolutely ashamed if she saw the state of

824
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: things right now. Yeah. Do you guys think is there

825
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: a time when things were good? I want to say, yes,

826
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: it was fake. This is why we are concerned with

827
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga this very question. Was it ever good? I mean,

828
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: I think Sam is the concept of good fake? Is

829
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: That's what her memoir should be called. Yeah, is the

830
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: concept of good fake because it's not proscriptive. I mean,

831
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: even if it's fake, okay, okay, doesn't mean it's good

832
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: or bad. Something like, um, yeah, art pop could be

833
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: in anything. Some fake things are good. Yeah, yeah, I'm

834
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: a big I enjoy that. I really like fake things

835
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: can be good, something I've always felt. Anyway, I'm getting

836
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 1: a lobotomy Friday. Why that's today? Do you say you're

837
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: having a bottomy Friday? Bottom? Bottom there? Okay, imagine having

838
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: like holding a glass of white wine. Maybe you're in

839
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: like Tuscany, right, and then and you're like, I'm imagining

840
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: Rita Wilson. Yeah, you're yeah, and you're with your girls

841
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: and you're like, you're like maybe a Samantha mood comes

842
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: over you and you're like, I'm having a bottomy Friday.

843
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that much. I see, that's what you

844
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: thought I was saying. That's what George said. He thought

845
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: he was saying, I'm having a bottomy Friday, eliminating how

846
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: George precedes me. Then if George say something like that,

847
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: do you think we should start having in the same

848
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: way that we have Taco Tuesday during lockdown? There should

849
00:57:54,760 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: be lobotomy Friday. Yes, I've had one every week since

850
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: it's started, and it's move on. When you can put

851
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: a word to it, then that makes it Okay, remove

852
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: your frontal move on it. Change consciousness, forget everything you've

853
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: ever loved. Brain. You know what I miss? This is

854
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: something I miss when like people bought stuff on iTunes

855
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: because I remember loving people saying like by Joe Ann

856
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: on iTunes, Like I remember that it's like a catch

857
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: phrase and me being like that is so funny. Wait?

858
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: Do you do you not feel like it's as powerful

859
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: or impactful to say stream it on Spotify? I think

860
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: it means nothing. You don't feel that in that like

861
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: I purchased something, I'm giving the artist money. Uh, it

862
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: feels less. It's it's more air to buying on iTunes?

863
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: Is water if you will? Whoa powerful? But we also?

864
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: I mean you're dragon ball z. I know I've been

865
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: watching Avatar this week, so yeah, I do need things

866
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: to watch if anybody cares, listeners, if you can hear this,

867
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: Amy needs things to watch. Yeah. Um, the emotional part

868
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: of my brain still activated, still needs something from the

869
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: front gune. Wait, do you believe in emotional intelligence? Absolutely? Yeah?

870
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: Is our topic? Wait? Is our topic music? I think

871
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: our topic is uh the music industry? Or is our

872
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: topic time? Wow? I would love it for it to

873
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: be time. Let's do time. I love for it to

874
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: be time. I would say this, all this whole conversation

875
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: has to do with time. Do you believe in other

876
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: dimensions like Donnie Darko? Does it have to be like

877
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: Donnie Darko? Or do I believe you literally believe Donnie

878
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: Darko is a documentary. I haven't seen Donnie Darko since

879
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: I was in a really dark place and okay, or

880
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: maybe you're actually currently watching it in a different dimension. Wow,

881
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: the Donnie Darko dimension. Donnie Darko. It's like, what was

882
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: the point of Interstellar? We already have Donnie Darko? Um,

883
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: Donnie dark Well, you don't need to. Honestly, you should

884
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: see it. It's kind of essential. Okay, Okay. Divided thing

885
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: about me is I genuinely loved the movie Interstellar. You

886
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: know what, I'll admit it, I was. I was. I

887
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: was more so doing um, attempting to grasp at straws

888
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: to be funny, and I actually also did enjoy the

889
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: movie Interstellar. Truth comes out. I've been getting really into

890
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: kind of just this genre that's my own personal genre

891
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: of movies I've overlooked that are like kind of seemed

892
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: gravely serious and content that I'm now like, which one

893
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: I would call like Interstellar, one of those movies where

894
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: it's like, what are they doing up there? And oh

895
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: my god. There are so many movies that fall under

896
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: the umbrella of what are they doing there? I'm trying

897
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: to watch those right now. So if anyone's listening and

898
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: wants to send me rex what are they doing up there?

899
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: I would love to watch those movies. Um. Time, Yeah,

900
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: Well that we've settled on time as our topic. What

901
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: is straight about time? Well, there's a straight conception of

902
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: time and a queer conception the top of my head,

903
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: the nearity. Yeah, I would say the straightness of it.

904
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: I mean imagine that you literally can't get any more

905
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: straight than a straight line. Have you ever seen a uh,

906
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: you know, a timeline? Yeah, my god, it's like okay

907
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: Mr and Mrs Smith Yeah yeah, okay, yeah, that checks out.

908
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: So so when you time travel, that's inherent. Yeah yeah.

909
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: But but there's also like you know, um, there are

910
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: two types of time, Like there's time that's linear and

911
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: then there's also like, uh, the general concept of time

912
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:40,439
Speaker 1: like um, like in Greek it's like the difference between

913
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: chronos and cairos. What's Kiros. I'm lost, like think of

914
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: an era or think of like the general concept of time,

915
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: or like, um, like an era? Yeah, like yeah, exactly

916
01:02:52,840 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: kind of. Well, there's two kinds of time. One is

917
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: quantifiable and the other has to do with just kind

918
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: of like what different eras various UM pop stars have. Yeah, Okay,

919
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: I have a question that's okay, Yeah, when I'm jumping around,

920
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: and I'm so sorry to any listeners who are absolutely

921
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: fucking pissed at me, You're allowed. Okay, Um, when was

922
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 1: the moment where you were like, okay, wait, I guess

923
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: I have to follow Lady Gaga till the end of

924
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: my life. When was the point where you were like,

925
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to care about every single single from now

926
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: on and I'm going to get excited and it's gonna

927
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: like be painful, but I'm I'm just gonna keep going.

928
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: Um again, this is something I couldn't choose. That's true,

929
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: born this way, Yeah, because I think for I mean,

930
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: for a long time, I didn't talk about enjoying Lady

931
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: Gaga to anyone because I realized the lack of foresight, um,

932
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to share it with anyone that

933
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: I enjoyed her. But I would say the first time

934
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: I ever saw her, which was I mean, I was

935
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: a pretty early what's it called early adopter, adopter, early

936
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: adopter um she made like a short film when she

937
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: was doing like the Grace Jones thing in like two

938
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: thousand whatever, two thousand nine, eight nine, and she made

939
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: like a crazy short film I saw on the internet

940
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: and I was like, who the fuck is this? I

941
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: love this? And then yep, that's when. And I haven't

942
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: been like that's as long as I've known of her,

943
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: but it's been, as you can attest to sam, real

944
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: up and down relationship. There's a lot of pain mm hmm.

945
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: But I haven't like, I don't know, I don't know

946
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: if I identify as like a little monster, but I

947
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: guess that's kind of what it is. Follow her since then,

948
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, was a little bit um just just

949
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: to gauge how okay, I want to know how you felt.

950
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: When is this boring? George, tell me this is boring.

951
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: It's on you to tell me this is boring. No,

952
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm thinking of like, the most joy I

953
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: have felt with her has been like I and I'm

954
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: not saying this is my favorite song or favorite video.

955
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: But like when I think about like the first time

956
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: I watched the Alejandra video, that was when I I

957
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: think that was the most the highest she has been

958
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: in my the highest esteem. What is the verb of

959
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: the highest I've thought of her? Yeah, it was the

960
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: Alejandra video, And I would say a similar thing to that,

961
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: but like flipped on its head is the g u

962
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: Y video where it was like, Okay, you're actually this

963
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: is your clown but like but it's but but in

964
01:05:55,240 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: a way that's good, Like the earnestness is undenied. Like

965
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: those are the two poles almost as Alejandro and g

966
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: u Y. And I think that's why g u Y

967
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: was so well. Yeah, actually the moral arc of the

968
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: universe ends from Alehndro to g u Y. Wow. Peter

969
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: Getsburg said that, Peter, But I think those are for me,

970
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: are even and I'm not saying there might be a

971
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: song or anything, But when I think of the peaks

972
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: of my understanding of her, it is that it is

973
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: those two. Yeah. I think the first two albums she

974
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: was so like legitimately like cool and seemed like cutting edge,

975
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: and it was like, wow, how can someone cutting edge

976
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: be so popular, this is amazing she did it, and

977
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: then it was like we quickly found out like that

978
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: she was really really lame and silly and stupid. And

979
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: then do you think though that like just dance is

980
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: cutting edge. I think her looks were I think, like, yeah,

981
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: like the aesthetic was really like ground break for the

982
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: time I feel. I guess, yeah, I guess like same monster,

983
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah. And then it was like, oh, she's

984
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: really silly. And then it was like, well, I don't

985
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: like her. She's silly. And now we've come around and

986
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: it's like, wait, it's amazing that she's both like she

987
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: can be sort of cool and she's extremely silly. Yeah,

988
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't think I invest any amount of coolness in

989
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: the way I did when I first discovered her. It's

990
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: like I want to celebrate her, really her earnestness. Yeah,

991
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: because I'm sick of this ship. Because I'm sick of

992
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: all this ship, you know what I mean. I think

993
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: that's a good segment. I'm sick of all this ship. Yeah,

994
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 1: everybody being callous and intellectual. I'm just like I'm sick

995
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: of the ship of this ship. Okay, I'm sick of

996
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: this ship. Like I'm sick of like people on Twitter

997
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: being like like like just like critical at all. It's like,

998
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: write a damn essay, babe, but like you're going to

999
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: be critical, like be critical, like, don't fucking tweet. I'm

1000
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: sick of this ship, George, how do you feel? Are

1001
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: you sick of this ship? I am absolutely sick of

1002
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 1: this ship. I mean I am. I'm trying to like

1003
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to like find the words to I mean,

1004
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:28,879
Speaker 1: I think it's almost like, you know, like the concept

1005
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: of a marketplace of ideas. Yeah, like that's bad. Yeah,

1006
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 1: I hate that because ideas should not be in the marketplace. No, queen, No,

1007
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 1: that's for you know, products or kind of crafts. Yeah,

1008
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 1: maybe services, services, that's what that's what marketplace. You know.

1009
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,560
Speaker 1: It's like imagine going somewhere and being like, oh, what

1010
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 1: do you sell against like ideas? Yeah, and it's like, okay,

1011
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: I've had those. Why, I've had many of those already,

1012
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: and I hated all those. Yeah, I hated that process.

1013
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 1: Getting a lobotomy Friday, so by yours to be in

1014
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 1: then dated by the marketplace of ideas on lobotomy Friday. Now,

1015
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 1: that's something I can't toast to right. I mean it's

1016
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: like someone offering you, um, some kind of food when

1017
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 1: you're fasting for Easter or or whatever else you might celebrate.

1018
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 1: That's just coming from my own experience for Easter well

1019
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 1: in in Greek, in Greek Orthox religion, a little bit

1020
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 1: of fasting and another religion, right, a little bit of

1021
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: fasting when I need it, when I need to hear

1022
01:09:51,520 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 1: about it. Spiritual. Yeah, so what's everyone's so every you

1023
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: must eat, you must carve up. I'm anti. You must

1024
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 1: believe in God, and you must believe in you must

1025
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: believe in something. Oh that's a great point. Actually, I've

1026
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: talked to another friend about like enjoying Lady Gaga is

1027
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 1: also like a painful need to believe in God or something.

1028
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 1: It's like connected to wanting to have faith in something,

1029
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 1: not as her as a God, but like just having

1030
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 1: faith in her pop stardom is like, okay, so what's

1031
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 1: going on with your belief system? So it's yeah, no,

1032
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: it's true. I mean it's also because there was it's

1033
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: thwarted potential almost like even if you trace her, it's

1034
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 1: like she started gaining traction right before the recession hit.

1035
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 1: I brought this up I was like, could Lady Gaga exist?

1036
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 1: Did we talk about this? George? Was it with you?

1037
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: I was like, could Lady Gaga exists without the recession?

1038
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 1: And it's like, no, oh, no, I love this. This

1039
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: is an essay. Wait, I don't get it. Though it's smart.

1040
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: I love it. I think it's genius. I do not

1041
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: get it. I think she just came onto this scene

1042
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: at a point of such. I mean, now it seems like,

1043
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:20,560
Speaker 1: you know, Barlemon, Bainey Bailey Circus or something, but like

1044
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 1: at the time, there was just okay that you're saying that.

1045
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:31,560
Speaker 1: Maybe be like wait, is Amy a barn woman? I

1046
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: take to the Supreme Court? Barne woman? Um no it.

1047
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: I think she At that time it seemed really not

1048
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:46,679
Speaker 1: pretty stark. I mean it was like post nine eleven,

1049
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 1: pre Obama, I mean like two nine, like right at

1050
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,560
Speaker 1: the start of Obama, I guess, and it's like, you know,

1051
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 1: we were like really, I don't know, I just in

1052
01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 1: the recession. I just think it was like this, like,

1053
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: is are surreal? Glamorous? Imagery was like very enticing two

1054
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: people and they didn't want Daughtry as much as that's

1055
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 1: actually not one country she brought back a certain um

1056
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:23,719
Speaker 1: she made trying cool again. Yeah, and that's her whole point.

1057
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: And it's like it's like, I know people don't like that.

1058
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 1: I know people don't like trying or making it cool,

1059
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: but um, that's her whole thing. So I get it.

1060
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: If if it's like really annoying, I'll be the first

1061
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: to admit. But it's like, I I enjoy her trying

1062
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: because the most impactful thing of all was her bringing

1063
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 1: back trying. I mean, even if you track the ways that, um,

1064
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: the Red Carpet has evolved since Lady Gaga, everything I mean, tours,

1065
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: music videos, I mean, I think it's aesthetically now it

1066
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 1: started to shift. But think of everybody after she happened.

1067
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 1: I mean everybody was like in bubblegum, pink heeless shoes

1068
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: and like you know, like white lipstick and just like

1069
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: there was lots of crazy. I mean, like could Katie

1070
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: Perry Katie Perry, I don't know. It's just like a lot,

1071
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 1: just a lot. This is our this is our sincerity

1072
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 1: era of Stradio Lab. I would say, were you not

1073
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 1: sincere before there's pockets, but we were pretty I think

1074
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: actively kind of like steered away from it. Well, the

1075
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 1: sincerity is so overpowering that we have to deflect. I

1076
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 1: don't think that's true. I think I don't think that's true. Okay, okay,

1077
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: drag us now I was encouraging. Oh no, absolutely attack

1078
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: us on our own podcast. George hit the lead on

1079
01:13:52,880 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 1: this one. I already hit it. This is all a facade. Um.

1080
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 1: I don't know how should we like do our final say?

1081
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, are you fucking kidding me? We've been

1082
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 1: recording for an hour and seventeen minutes. We should probably

1083
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: do our last segment. Okay, So first of all, before

1084
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: we do our last I just want to say, um,

1085
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 1: thank you to all the listeners for hearing this deep

1086
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 1: dive into the concept of time. Um. I hope you

1087
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 1: feel like you understand straightness better because of this smart podcast. Yeah,

1088
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 1: and also by rain on Me on iTunes TBT. Remember

1089
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 1: when we used to say stuff like that happy lobotomy Friday.

1090
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: I love my girls and I love my squad. Wait,

1091
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 1: I have a question, why is everyone saying girlies? Girlies

1092
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,719
Speaker 1: is just taking off? You know, girlies is having a moment.

1093
01:14:52,880 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: It's but but why do you hate it? I' love

1094
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: it is a mood. I can I can listen, I

1095
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: I will be I could easily be convinced to be

1096
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 1: on board with curlies. The last time I felt joy

1097
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 1: at a at a piece of sling like that was

1098
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 1: and I hate to say it now because I now

1099
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 1: feel no joy when I hear this word. But when

1100
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 1: Binge first came out, I really liked and it's really

1101
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 1: to see what happened. Yeah, with her whole thing, she

1102
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 1: even like she even, I would say, and you know what,

1103
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 1: she was speaking of people who are there, yet she

1104
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: was there at her peak, she was absolutely there. Should

1105
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: we do the final seg? Yeah? Because if I can

1106
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: be completely honest, so bad you know. That's absolutely something

1107
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: that I also am experiencing. And also I have noticed

1108
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: over the past maybe five minutes that there is a

1109
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 1: delay on my mic suddenly, and I and you guys

1110
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:59,799
Speaker 1: are applying way too late. Oh, this is gonna be tough. Okay,

1111
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:09,839
Speaker 1: is it my turn to go first? Yes? Okay, um, Hey, listeners,

1112
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: I just want to give a quick shout out to

1113
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 1: the concept of big tech companies. I was sitting down

1114
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:17,879
Speaker 1: the other day before lobotomy Friday when I was absolutely

1115
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,560
Speaker 1: thinking up a storm, and it occurred to me that

1116
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: the only companies that are going to survive lockdown and

1117
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 1: quarantine are giant tech companies that are first of all

1118
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 1: huge and second of all able to continue their businesses

1119
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 1: because they happen online rather than in the real world.

1120
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 1: And I think that is just literally the best thing

1121
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 1: I've ever thought could happen to our world. And I

1122
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,560
Speaker 1: can't wait to get out of all of this. And

1123
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: in the other side have a world that is controlled

1124
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 1: by five big companies Google, Facebook, Amazon, Apple, and um

1125
01:16:54,880 --> 01:17:01,759
Speaker 1: TikTok TikTok shout out to TikTok uh, and I cannot

1126
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: wait for all of my data to be sold back

1127
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 1: to me um just in variously like in various iterations

1128
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:14,719
Speaker 1: that each have less UH to offer me than the last,

1129
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:21,600
Speaker 1: until I die and I'm buried. Who beautiful? So this

1130
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 1: segment is shouting stuff out yes, yeah um after all

1131
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 1: of that, So wait, yeah, today we're doing a bad job.

1132
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 1: We're like introducing stuff like in opposite order because we

1133
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 1: were trying to prove that we can queer time. Yeah.

1134
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: But also, frankly, Amy, you've done this before yea months ago,

1135
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 1: and I had so much on my plane and you

1136
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: can't hold me to that kind of standard. I also,

1137
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: I distinctly remember Sam, do you remember something out of

1138
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 1: the box that Amy did during her shoutout? Yeah? I do.

1139
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 1: It was a moment I was really yeah. Part of me,

1140
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, the sadness that came over me when I

1141
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 1: heard we had to rerecord it had to do with

1142
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 1: a bit weak fell into that. That was very funny,

1143
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 1: really funny. But also, you know, I'm sure your listenership

1144
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: would have no idea what we were talking about. There's

1145
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 1: almost a part of me that's like, what if there's

1146
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 1: any way to splice it in? We literally might put

1147
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 1: that bid in with no context and just put the

1148
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 1: bid in. But why don't we say now and now

1149
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: we'll put the bid in so you can listen. Okay, Okay,

1150
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna do that. Okay, I'm gonna do my shout

1151
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: out now, I'm ready. Okay, what's up, listeners? Um, I

1152
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,879
Speaker 1: just want to give a quick shout out to hats.

1153
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: At this point in Quarantine, my hair is getting long,

1154
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: it's getting out of control, and I simply can't control it.

1155
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 1: That's what out of control means. Meanwhile, I've got hats

1156
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 1: out the wazoo, and baby, they're getting used this in

1157
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 1: this era. This is my hat era. I've heard of

1158
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 1: rain on me, but I have you heard of hats?

1159
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm wearing it. It's the only thing that keeps saying

1160
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 1: here out of my face. It's chice, it's fashionable, it's useful,

1161
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 1: and I wear it and I wear a mask and

1162
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: I'm completely invisible to everyone on the street, which feels fun.

1163
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 1: I love my hat, and I hope you do too.

1164
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 1: XO XO Sam. WHOA Wow, I've heard of rain on me,

1165
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 1: but have you heard of hats on me? Damn, that's

1166
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: actually smart. I'm not firing on all cylinders today. I mean,

1167
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 1: as we've said, it's lobotomy Friday. Happy lobotomy, Mary lobotomy Friday.

1168
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: You say Mary lobotomy Friday. You don't really observing if

1169
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 1: you say Mary lebotomy Friday, and then you are placed

1170
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: in front of a pond for a couple of hours.

1171
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 1: The other day I read some thing like about a

1172
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 1: historical figure that was actually lobotomized, and it was like

1173
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 1: that actually didn't even happen that son. Yeah, it's like

1174
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: really intense. I saw a movie. I saw a movie

1175
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 1: film the time all back together, I did see a

1176
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 1: film and it was it's about I forget what it's

1177
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: called now, but it's about it's it's about the guy

1178
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 1: who first um sort of proselytized or started selling lobotomies

1179
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 1: to people, and it the stuff I learned made me intrigued.

1180
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: So abotomies now talk about a marketplace. Um, Amy, it's

1181
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 1: time for your big shout out. Okay, okay, knowing what

1182
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 1: we know now, I want to say big shout out

1183
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 1: to the Amy from earlier that you just listened to.

1184
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 1: She had a joy, She had a joy and a

1185
01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 1: bond yvons that has since fled, and Um, I want

1186
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 1: to tell her that she's going to do great, that

1187
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 1: she was so full of life that day and one

1188
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 1: day she will feel it again. And I want to

1189
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 1: say that. Also shout out to her for buying candles

1190
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 1: that would one day substitute a person maybe being in

1191
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 1: the vicinity. UM. And I want to say shout out

1192
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 1: also to UM. I also want to reinforce a shout

1193
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,560
Speaker 1: out to eating. I am a big proponent of it,

1194
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 1: and I wanted to reiterate once again because I don't

1195
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 1: mess around with any notion that you should not eat.

1196
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 1: And I went big shout out to eating healthily and consciously.

1197
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:43,799
Speaker 1: Big shout out, Yeah, big shout out to um finding

1198
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 1: finding a sense of centered nous in this moment, and

1199
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 1: a big shout out to vitamin D three, something I've

1200
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:54,600
Speaker 1: been taking every day. Lots of shout outs there. But

1201
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 1: that was lovely, that was really great. Um. I did

1202
01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 1: want to say that we're probably gonna queer time in

1203
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 1: and I actually think we're gonna play that bit um

1204
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 1: after the shout outs, I feel like that will make

1205
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 1: more sense. Okay, then I'll shout out again, shout out

1206
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 1: to shout out to that woman I see before me.

1207
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 1: She is in the future, undeniable and undiminished. She is

1208
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 1: the moment. I want to say, shout out to the

1209
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 1: clip that is in the future and not in the past. Actually, yeah, yeah,

1210
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,600
Speaker 1: we'll do UM. We'll do a music queue now and

1211
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: then and then kind of a coda at the and

1212
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 1: then it'll play, and then I can say and shout

1213
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 1: out to what just the past? Wow, this is gonna be.

1214
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the little women of podcasts. It's uh,

1215
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 1: how did we not even mention little women in our

1216
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 1: discussion of time the world? There's no time? Yeah, there's

1217
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:56,759
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that you know, kind of tackles

1218
01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:58,599
Speaker 1: time that we didn't really talk about because we spent

1219
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: our time talking about which I think is important in

1220
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 1: this time, in this time specifically, and this is our

1221
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 1: actually this is a topical episode, so time right in there.

1222
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 1: It's there. Overwhelming, it's overwhelming. How good we are at podcasting? Yeah,

1223
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 1: I would say that. Yeah, I'm I'm radiating. Yeah, yeah,

1224
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 1: I'm like you see me and I'm lit. That's there's

1225
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 1: no light, it's coming from within. Oh wow, that's amazing.

1226
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,720
Speaker 1: Congrats by the way, thanks, it's really annoying at night.

1227
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 1: I like keeping good. Yeah, it looks incredible that we'll

1228
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 1: sit with that. Just sit with that. Um is that

1229
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 1: the end of our show? You know what I think? So, Amy,

1230
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: thank you for being on our podcast. Um, hopefully this

1231
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 1: one gets out there. Amy. We'll see you next week

1232
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 1: on Dangling the Carrot to you both. Amy. We haven't

1233
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 1: been recording, but oh dangy we forgot to record. This

1234
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 1: will be in my memoir. So thank you so much

1235
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 1: for having me. Okay, this was a real edging. Okay,

1236
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna take it by but Amy, don't hang up. Okay, bye, Okay, bye,

1237
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:31,639
Speaker 1: and um, shout out to flee back. Oh yeah, definitely

1238
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:36,560
Speaker 1: shout out to our dear friend. We love you. We

1239
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 1: think what you're doing is incredible. You've grown so much

1240
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: since we first met and became friends, and we're really

1241
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 1: proud of you here at the pod. I think cool

1242
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:47,759
Speaker 1: that she was one of the people in our circle

1243
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,680
Speaker 1: that took off blasted off and I remember her it

1244
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 1: over the eight and I was like, wow, like, even

1245
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 1: she's doing something interesting and I think it's working. And yeah,

1246
01:24:58,240 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 1: there was a point there where I was like, it's

1247
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,640
Speaker 1: not white crushing, like it's not good. Yeah, but I

1248
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 1: could see the nugget of and it's just amazing that

1249
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 1: she's been able to kind of take that and run

1250
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 1: with it. And does he do you think? We saw

1251
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 1: her do the marshmallow bit at Vital Joint and then

1252
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 1: it became this whole another thing. It became huge. Yes,

1253
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: she would do this character at open mics across Brooklyn,

1254
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:24,719
Speaker 1: remember you and yeah, no, it was well it started

1255
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 1: at Pine Box, but then she was banned and what

1256
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 1: happened and I was I was like good and I

1257
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 1: was the person that Um. We we had a disagreement

1258
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: about that, but we were past it, but I mean

1259
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 1: it ended. Are you cancer? No? I am. I know

1260
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 1: you're both cancers and so is b w b. Oh. Yeah,

1261
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 1: I say that. I had a joint birthday party with her.

1262
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 1: Who was that? Yeah, we had a birthday. Where was that? Um?

1263
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 1: It was it was like good Room in green Point, Yeah,

1264
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 1: I remember that, So it was it was fun. Um.

1265
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, she was starting to take off,

1266
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 1: and it was kind of like people thought it was

1267
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 1: like divas because I was also taking off at that point,

1268
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 1: and people kind of thought it was like divish to

1269
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 1: make them charge a cover for our birthday. But we

1270
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: were like, you know, we're kind of well, we're at

1271
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 1: the point like her career, like thirty dollars not that nothing,

1272
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 1: like just like it because you ended up keeping all

1273
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 1: that money. Yeah, and you didn't. It wasn't the venue

1274
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 1: that was charging it. Yeah. Yeah, it was free that night.

1275
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 1: I remember, and I just remember thinking like, okay, I mean,

1276
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 1: Phoebe's doing well. Yeah, and it's like the bouncer. I

1277
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 1: was like, oh, here's thirty and he was like it's

1278
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,680
Speaker 1: free tonight, and I was like okay. And then I

1279
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 1: remember you were right behind the bouncer and your hand

1280
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 1: was just open. Well, no, Phoebe. I just remember Phoebe

1281
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 1: Be like take the money to the bouncer. Ye. And

1282
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 1: she looked gorgeous, it did. She looked beautiful. It looked

1283
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 1: good to that, Yeah, you did. You know what's interesting

1284
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:00,080
Speaker 1: with Phoebe is that she, for the for his long

1285
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 1: as I've known her, does the thing where she turns

1286
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 1: to the camera like in Fleabag but there is no camera. Yeah.

1287
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 1: I definitely have to say when the camera was introduced

1288
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 1: to her life, that started making so much more sense exactly.

1289
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 1: And she did that at Over the eight. Yeah, she

1290
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 1: did that at Over the eight. Well, that bit did

1291
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 1: not do well on stage because then people would be like, yeah,

1292
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 1: obviously you were talking about like this, Yeah, it isn't.

1293
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 1: But then but then when it's on TV, it is

1294
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:32,680
Speaker 1: innovative because if that's if you're on stage and then

1295
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 1: you're like asking something of the audience like yeah, they

1296
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 1: can answer, you know what I mean? Yea yeah. And

1297
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 1: then when she did it at Annoyance, that clicked for me. Yeah, yeah,

1298
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 1: it definitely. But but you know it's hard to tell

1299
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 1: because that room was just so warm, Yeah, and it

1300
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 1: was like is she is it actually working here. Is

1301
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 1: this just like people like, oh, it's weird, so I'm

1302
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 1: liking it, you know, Like that's kind of how I

1303
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 1: felt about there was such a hierarchy. Um, but yeah,

1304
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 1: she's our friend. We love her, I really do. So

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01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 1: I guess that's the pod then