1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,519 Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media. 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 3: Welcome home, y'all. I hope you're not sick of me. 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: I just had a live episode yesterday, you know, trying 6 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: to break down everything that's going on with the attacks 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: on black women that coming from the highest office in 8 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: the land. Again, this is Native Lampod. I'm your host, 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: Angela Raie. Today we are having an incredible special edition 10 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: livestream conversation with someone who I just truly admire and adore. 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: As you all may know, before the Supreme Court of 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: the United States today there was a case Louisiana versus Kaylee, 13 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: And in this case, at issue is whether or not 14 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: a majority black district in Louisiana is now in fact unconstitutional, 15 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: talking about whether or not Section two of the Voting 16 00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: Rights Amendment violates sections fourteen and fifteen of the fourteen 17 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: to fifteen Amendments of the Constitution. Here's what I want 18 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: us to know. We are in really, really perilous times. 19 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: And in these perilous times, the folks who are fighting 20 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: these battles most often look like me. They are black women, 21 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: and this sister is no exception. I learned some time 22 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: ago that she would be making the oral arguments before 23 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court in Louisiana versus Kylie, And I'm gonna 24 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: save all my fanning out for when she joined us 25 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: just now. She is the President and Director Council of 26 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: the NAACP Legal Defense Fund. Her name is Attorney Janay Nelson. 27 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: Hey, Angela, how are you hello? 28 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: My dear sister. So I gotta tell y'all. 29 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: I got a call from the comms folks at LDF 30 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: and they said, we want you to know you can't 31 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: say anything. Janae Nelson will be arguing. She will be 32 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: bringing oral arguments in the Supreme Court case in Kylie. 33 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: And I started crying. I was so happy. I was 34 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: so happy. 35 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: Because you know, it's been too. 36 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 3: Well. 37 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: I hate that you had to you know, this case 38 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: had to be re argued, and we'll talk about this 39 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: in just a moment. But what I loved is I 40 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: knew there was not a better fighter, someone who had 41 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: more command of the facts or the law, someone who 42 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: I know would not only make the ancestors, probably be 43 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: protecting the interests of future generation. Someone that would tell 44 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: the truth about what this country is and the growth 45 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: it has to you know, undergo and certainly what is 46 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: still an issue whether we like it or not in 47 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: the state of Louisiana. 48 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 3: So I was thrilled about it. 49 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: I was like, tell me, what I could do is 50 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: not just about Native Lampi, but we welcome our here. 51 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 3: But I wanted to make sure that. 52 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: Our folks know you exist, since you know, I think 53 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: you deserve a whole Barbie doll at this point. Okay, 54 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: I am serious. This is our generation's third good marshall. 55 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: Don't be surprised if one day, as long as democracy 56 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: does not crumble, that Janay Nelson will also be the 57 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: other system with locks on the bench. 58 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: Okay. So I just want to say thank you, oh, thank. 59 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: You, Angela. I really appreciate all that loveliness. And you know, 60 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 2: I've been a long admirerview. We've been doing a lot 61 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 2: of work these pasts what is it now, ten months 62 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 2: of absolute chaos and war, and I just could not 63 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: ask for that a partner in the fight. So thank 64 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: you for everything that you and Native Potter are doing. 65 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. This well, here's here's where I 66 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: want to start. I think I don't want to skip 67 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: straight to what happened today in orals. I did hear 68 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: your oral arguments again, Like I'm like, there's just there 69 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: was nobody better. But I want to ask you just 70 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: how you're feeling on the other side of you know, 71 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: standing before the Supreme Court. 72 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 3: There's so much at play. 73 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: We're watching the dismantling of our rights happen in our cities, 74 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: in our states, all over the country. You're standing in 75 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: the heartbeat of it all, walking into this Supreme Court 76 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: knowing that there was once upon a time some folks 77 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: came down those steps with a victory, and now it 78 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: feels like all of that is hanging in the balance, 79 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: and it has the nerve to be hanging in the balance. 80 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: The sixtieth anniversary year of the Voting Rights Act. Now, 81 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: this is something I know you've heard me talk about before, 82 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: and I know you talk about often, and that is 83 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: like the way of the Voting Rights Act. I think 84 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: this is important context for folks. And then I did 85 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: ask you how you were feeling, So I want to 86 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: get into that. 87 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 3: But on in. 88 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: Nineteen sixty eight, when the Voting Rights Act was initially 89 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: passed HR. Sixty four, hundred that was passed in July 90 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: of sixty five. It was a three hundred and thirty 91 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: three to eighty five vote in the House. In the 92 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: Senate it was seventy seven to nineteen, so overwhelmingly bipartisan. 93 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 3: In sixty eight. 94 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: The Voting Rights Act is reauthorized in nineteen seventy, in 95 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five, in nineteen eighty two, and in two 96 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: thousand and six and up to two thousand and six. 97 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: In the House, three hundred and nine, so more people, 98 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: more Democrats and Republicans and independence voting to support the 99 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: reauthorization of the Voting Rights Act. 100 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 3: I did not study, y'all. 101 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: It was two thousand and six, three ninety to thirty three, 102 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: and in the Senate it was a unanimous vote ninety 103 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: eight to zero. Again, this was in two thousand and six. 104 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: Something has happened. We don't know what. We're not gonna 105 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: allege anything, at least now with my sister on maybe 106 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: I'll wait till she gets off. But something happened from 107 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: two thousand and six, I don't know. Maybe in two 108 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: thousand and eight to twenty twelve election, and in twenty thirteen, 109 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court takes up the Shelby Versus Holder case, 110 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: essentially gutting sections four and five of the Voting Rights Act, 111 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: and today at issue again because this isn't the first 112 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: time Section two of the Voting Rights Act is up. 113 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: We're gonna get into all that, but you they first. 114 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: How do you feel on the other side of the arguments? 115 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: And what do you think the paths of victory looks like? 116 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: Here? Oh, listen, as intense as it has been, I 117 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 2: am feeling so extraordinarily energized. I am feeling buoyed by 118 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: all the amazing people who came out to stay in 119 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: front of the Supreme Court, to chant, to dance, to 120 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 2: hold signs, to make their voices heard, and to make 121 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: it clear that we are not going anywhere. That this 122 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 2: democracy is ours. We help to build it, we will 123 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: fight for it, and we will win. We will win. 124 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 2: There are many paths to victory, but what's wonderful about 125 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: this particular case. The paths of victory is pretty straightforward. 126 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 2: It's called following precedent. It's called follow the law as 127 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: it is. Don't try to change it, don't try to 128 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 2: tweak it. It's been working well. We've made extraordinary progress. 129 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 2: The work of the Voting Rights Act is far from done. 130 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: But we have carried this multi racial democracy forward for 131 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: sixty years. We're celebrating, as you said, the aniversary of 132 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 2: the passage of the building right back in nineteen sixty 133 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 2: five this year, and this is no time to try 134 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: to turn the clock back. We're seeing, you know, more 135 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: assaults on the right to vote. We're seeing all sorts 136 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: of ways in which our democracy is being manipulated by 137 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: people who claim to be leaders of this country, by 138 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: political parties, and just by white supremacist extremists. But we're 139 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: here to say that we built this thing and we 140 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: are going to defend it until we possibly until we 141 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: went period. That's that. 142 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: That's say we built this joint for freedoms. What we 143 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: say around these parts, and I will say, you know, 144 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: what I think is surprising in this case to me is, 145 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: of course that issue is Louisiana and this second majority 146 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: black district that was drawn that is now occupied by 147 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: Cleo Fields. Part of Cleo Fields district includes Baton Rouge 148 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: Baton Rouge, the same Baton Rouge where I believe it 149 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: was East Baton Rouge where they attempted to essentially secede 150 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: from the rest of Baton Rouge. This is the white 151 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: part trying to separate from the black part. What I 152 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: think is fascinating here is Louisiana. Louisiana's black demographic is 153 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: thirty two point eight percent. According to the twenty twenty Census, 154 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: Nearly one point five million people in the state of 155 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: Louisiana are black. That's higher than Alabama and Arkansas. Alabama, 156 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court upheld there was an Alabama case where the 157 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: Supreme Court upheld Section two. Shreveport has a fifty seven 158 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: point eight percent black population. New Orleans fifty seven point two. 159 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: Baton Rouge fifty two point four. They say somewhere between 160 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: fifty two point four and fifty three point point five. Today, Janey, 161 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: you were arguing before some Supreme Court justices who were 162 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: challenging whether or not race should still be an issue. 163 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: When you're saying, clearly, there's a pattern and practice of 164 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: white folks failing to vote for a black person, a 165 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: black candidate, regardless of what side of the aisle there on. 166 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: There is this clear pattern, and they're arguing, like, well, 167 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: do we still need to considerate should this be a remedy? 168 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: And I was fascinated to hear that when you consider 169 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: just the demographics of the cities we just laid out, 170 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: they would be lacking in representation in Shreveport and Baton Rouge. 171 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: It would only be New Orleans that would have unless 172 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: they redraw it so that it encompasses all this. 173 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 3: But then, what does that map look like a garden stake? 174 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: Exactly. Listen, you laid it out. You could have been 175 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 2: up there with me. The facts are so clear in Louisiana. 176 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 2: Of all states, Louisiana is not the one to be 177 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: the vehicle for narrowing Section two. In fact, it is 178 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: the poster child for why we actually have Section two. So, 179 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 2: as you rightly point out, Louisiana has the highest percentage 180 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 2: of black people of any state in the country outside 181 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 2: of mississipp Right, So black people are about a third 182 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 2: of the population. And the reason that we brought our 183 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: suit initially was because even though black people were very 184 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 2: three percent of the population and the white electorate is 185 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 2: steadily declining year after year, they were in control of 186 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 2: eighty three percent of the congressional districts. They occupy fifty 187 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: eight percent of the electorate. We're control of eighty three 188 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: percent of the district. That alone should tell you something 189 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 2: is not right. But we know the Voting Rights Act 190 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: does not guarantee you proportional representation. You can't just go 191 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: in there with the numbers and be like, give me 192 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 2: another district. You have to explain that the reason we 193 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: don't have a district is because of race, and there's 194 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 2: a whole set of factors and a lot of proof 195 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 2: that you have to put on to establish that. And 196 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 2: we did that, and a federal court said, Okay, we've 197 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 2: heard your witnesses, we've read your evidence, we've looked at 198 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 2: all the arguments. You're you're going to win this claim 199 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: if you keep going at it. So why don't we 200 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 2: stop the state right now and say, you know what, 201 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: this is not looking good for you. This looks like discrimination. 202 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 2: You need to draw another map. They appealed that another 203 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 2: panel of judges, this time appellate judges in one of 204 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: the most conservative circuits in the country. The Fifth Circuit said, yeah, 205 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 2: we agree, this is a unanimous panel. Appealed again, another 206 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: unanimous panel. So at this point we've got seven federal 207 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 2: judges in the Fifth Circuit saying this looks like discrimination. 208 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 2: Because Louisiana is drawing maps, and every time they say 209 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: they want a map that doesn't have precinct splits or 210 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: that you know, respects certain communities, we said, okay, here's 211 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 2: a map that does all that, and it gives black 212 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: people a right to vote in another district. You want 213 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: this particular you know, equal population that we got a 214 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 2: map for that. We had a map for everything they 215 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 2: asked for, We had a map for that. So we 216 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 2: pull on seven different maps and Louisiana looked at all 217 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 2: seven of them and saw that we had an extra 218 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 2: black district in there and said, you know what actually 219 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 2: will pass. And so that's the type of discrimination that 220 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: we're talking about. It doesn't anymore happen with people saying 221 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 2: we don't like black people and we're trying to, you know, 222 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: cut you out of power. It's much more complicated, much 223 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: more subversive, and it requires a lot more resources and 224 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 2: litigation like the kind we brought to us that out. 225 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 2: So that's what we had to explain to the court today, 226 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: and we were really defending the map that we won 227 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 2: against a challenge from some white voters in Louisiana who 228 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 2: were now saying that the fair map that we got 229 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: drawn the one that elected Cleophiels in twenty twenty four. 230 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: They're saying, now that map somehow is unfair to them 231 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 2: ease and so is they go back to numbers. They're 232 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 2: fifty percent of the population, they still control like sixty 233 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 2: six percent of the congressional district, so they are still 234 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 2: represented super proportionately, and yet their crime foul. 235 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that that is also another big 236 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: part of this, Like the significance of this case Louisiana 237 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: was up today, but folks are relying on how the 238 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: court rules here to determine what happens with these other maps. 239 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 3: We know, just over this year they have done. 240 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: This mid midterm redistricting processes in Texas, in Missouri and 241 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: talking about it in Indiana, and they are hoping on 242 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: a wing and a prayer that the court will eliminate 243 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: Section two because that pushes all of these maps and this, 244 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: you know, kind of this midpoint redistricting forward. The Congressional 245 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: Black Caucus has sixty three seats right now. One is 246 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: vacant because Governor Abbott has refused to fill Sylvester Turner's 247 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: seat after passing Maygy rest his soul. 248 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 3: But they're talking about. 249 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: Upwards of thirty Congressional Black Caucus seats being in harm's 250 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: way if Section two is eliminated. 251 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 3: Janey, what what. 252 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: Hope can you give to people when you consider just 253 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: your experience today and what you were arguing. One thing 254 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: that I was encouraged by because I think some folks 255 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: need to hear it as much as I don't mind 256 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: talking about race and facing racism, the panel current clearly 257 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: did so. One of the things you had to say 258 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: in orals today was not all of Section two remedies 259 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: center race. Can you talk a little bit more about 260 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: that and what other remedies folks can rely upon? And 261 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: why so important not to just blaket say we don't well, 262 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: we don't care what state it is. Section two is 263 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: not here anymore. We don't need it. That's it's it's 264 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: just an overreach. But I want to hear your thoughts. 265 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: That's right, So you know, I think the Court has 266 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 2: said over time, it has expressed some discomfort in the 267 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: use of race, although it is lawful under its own 268 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 2: precedent that if there is a clear and specific violation 269 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 2: that's based on race, you can use race to fix it. Right, 270 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: That makes that makes sense. It all is quite logical. 271 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: That said, the extent that they are embracing, and we 272 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: embrace too, the ultimate goal where we have a political process, 273 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: an electoral process where race doesn't play a role and 274 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: who wins and who loses. We want that too, and 275 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 2: I think we just differ on how we get there. 276 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 2: And what was really at play today was, you know, 277 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: how much can you use race? And was race really 278 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 2: the driving factor in how this map was created? And 279 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: our position was this, Listen, we think the map that 280 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: elected Cleo Fields. We think the map that the state 281 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: drew is actually constitutional. There's a solid argument for why 282 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 2: it passes one of the toughest tests in our law, 283 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: which is strict scrutiny. But we also are saying, listen, 284 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 2: we don't really care what map remedies the violation. If 285 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 2: you have a map that doesn't take race into account 286 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: and you can still somehow at the end of the 287 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: day give black people an opportunity to elect candidates of 288 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: their choice and not be diluted and not the you know, 289 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 2: canceled out of the process, we'll take it. You know, 290 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: we don't hear how we get there. We just want 291 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 2: a fair map. So if the court feels more comfortable 292 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: with a certain type of map or the map being 293 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: drawn in the particular way. Let's do it. But let's 294 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 2: not use that concern to rewrite the law. Let's not 295 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 2: use this ridiculous suit that was brought to challenge the 296 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 2: map as a vehicle for in any way undermining the 297 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 2: crown jewel of civil rights legislation. That is the problem. 298 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And in this Milligan case where the Alabama's congressional map, 299 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: that the one that allowed for Shamari Figures to now 300 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: join us, and in that case you had well, I 301 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: was at least surprised by the votes of and the 302 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: opinions and the alignment on the issue with Justice Kavanaugh, 303 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: Brett Kavanaugh and Chief Justice John Roberts. I'm interested to 304 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: hear your perspective on the line of questioning they asked 305 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 1: today and if to you it signals anything one way 306 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: or the other about where they might far where they 307 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: see a distinction between the Milligan case and the Calais case. 308 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 3: Yeh. 309 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 2: So I have to give a shout out to our 310 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 2: Milligan case because that's the case that LDF litigated as well. 311 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: One of our amazing attorneys who's one of our directors 312 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 2: of litigation duel. Ross argued that case Alan versus Milligan, 313 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 2: and it is a case that has set all sorts 314 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 2: of other litigation and motions since then because it really 315 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 2: made it clear what the standards are for proving when 316 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 2: there's racial discrimination in the districting context. So, I mean, 317 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 2: what the question today suggests to me is that maybe, 318 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 2: and just as Kavanaugh was kind of transparent about this 319 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 2: in his concurrence in the Calais, I'm sorry the Milligan 320 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: dis Milican initially and he said, well, maybe Section two 321 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 2: can authorize race based remedies, but maybe it can't do 322 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 2: it indefinitely. Maybe this can't go on into the future 323 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 2: with no end in sight. And so some of this 324 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 2: question had to do with what type of limit, time 325 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 2: limit should we put on Section two. My argument is, 326 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 2: we don't put a time limit on a statute. A 327 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 2: statute is there when you need it. When there's a violation, 328 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: you can bring a suit under the statute. If there's 329 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 2: no harm, no foul, there's no violation, no lawsuit, nothing, 330 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: And that just having a law on the books doesn't 331 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 2: harm anyone, And in fact, it helps the ultimate cause 332 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 2: of ending race discrimination voting because it tells potential violators. 333 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 2: You know, if I do this, I may run a 334 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 2: foul of the law. So let me stay on the 335 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: right side of the line. And I don't see any 336 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 2: harm in US keeping Section two on the books and 337 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 2: US using it less and less frequently it as needed. 338 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 2: I don't know if Justice Kavnaugh was convince by that argument. 339 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 2: I hope that he was. I think it makes a 340 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 2: lot of sense to me. But we'll see, you know, 341 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 2: we'll see if he thinks that it's necessary to say maybe, 342 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: you know, twenty five years from now, maybe two three 343 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 2: district encycles from now. Will have to have Congress think 344 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 2: about it again. But the other argument that we made, 345 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 2: which I think is really important, is that it's not 346 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: the Court's job to decide when a statute ends. It's 347 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 2: Congress's job. I mean, there's a separation of powers for 348 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: a reason. So if the Court is saying we think 349 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 2: there should be a limit, it should give Congress an 350 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: opportunity to determine what that lineit is. To base that 351 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 2: on a record of evidence that says, you know, what 352 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: do we need Do we need fifty more years, do 353 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 2: we need twenty more years? Do we need you know, 354 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,719 Speaker 2: ten more we just recycled five whatever it is. We 355 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 2: can't just pull these numbers out of thin air. It 356 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 2: should not be just based on what I say or 357 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: what Justice Kalano thing. It should be based on evidence, 358 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: and it should be based on some considered reasoning by 359 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 2: people who were elected to represent us and make our laws. 360 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 3: Do you think that we're in this mess? Though? A little? 361 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: And I do think it's mess because I don't think 362 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: I think the misnomer is that people think you want 363 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: to be going to argue this case. 364 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 3: I think you want to be saying this is settled. 365 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: Law, and I'd rather go I'm not saying you don't arguing, 366 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: but you rather go argue something else, like what is 367 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: the evolution of this? Congress has refused to act since 368 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: Shelby versus Holder. There's not been a Voting Rights reauthorization 369 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: Act passed only under the Democratic majority. I think the 370 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: Voting Rights Advancement and Reauthorization and Advancement Act was passed 371 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: twice by the House and not ever considered in the Senate. 372 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: Or no, when it was considered in the Senate, it failed. 373 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: And so there's not been any bipartisan effort by Congress 374 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: to reauthorize. So it feels like the Supreme Court is like, Okay, 375 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: well they're not acting, so let me feel this vacuum, 376 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: even though that's not what their branch of the government 377 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: is supposed to do. I think that that is a 378 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: little scary, and I do want to know. I hope 379 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: this is not a dumb question, but I want to know, 380 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: and I want people at home to know. Why would 381 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court want to rehear arguments in this case? 382 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: What do they think is so significantly different from Milligan, 383 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: which I know is a different set of issues, but 384 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: pretty dark gone close, like it's Alabama versus Louisiana. Louisiana 385 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: got more black people. Maybe that's the biggest difference. But 386 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: I want to know why they wanted to rehear it. 387 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: It feels I'm nervous that it's like, are y'all trying 388 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: to undo what you just did? 389 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 3: The record is very clear just from a couple of 390 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 3: years ago. 391 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: That is not a dumb question at all. That literally 392 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 2: is the million dollar question. I mean, is it is 393 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 2: something that made us scratch our heads when we got 394 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 2: that we argument order in June of this year, when 395 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 2: we thought, you know, our colleague who argue the case 396 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 2: initially did a great job. We expected that we would 397 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: get a decision, and instead they said they wanted to 398 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 2: hear it again. And so all we can think of 399 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 2: is that obviously there weren't enough votes to conclusively decide 400 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 2: the case in June, and they wanted to hear more. 401 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 2: I do think that this issue of whether there should 402 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 2: be a time when it is part of what was 403 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 2: animating the conversation here, But it is truly so closely 404 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 2: aligned with the Milligan case that it's just hard to imagine. 405 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 2: The Court typically doesn't take cases that can be easily 406 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 2: decided based on president They're supposed to take cases that 407 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 2: are novel theories of law, or where there's a circuit 408 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: split right where half the country's, you know, applying the 409 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 2: law one way, half the country's applying it a different way. 410 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 2: To the Supreme Court has to come in and tell 411 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 2: us what we should all be doing. There's nothing in 412 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 2: this case that makes this really Supreme Court worthy, or 413 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,719 Speaker 2: certainly we argument worthy, other than a concern that they 414 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 2: might do something wrong. I hope that we cleared that 415 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 2: up today. I hope they understand that the consequences are 416 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 2: potentially too grave, and those are not only the practical 417 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 2: consequences of what may happen to elected representatives across the country, 418 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: but also the legitimacy of the Court is very much 419 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 2: on the line because their last decision was a mere 420 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: twenty eight months ago, and so to reverse course now 421 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 2: when nothing has happened in between those twenty eight months. 422 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 2: But you know, an administration change just doesn't bode well 423 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 2: in terms of how people may perceive of this decision. 424 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: Jane, we have a question from the audience, all Enjoy. 425 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: That's cute, all Enjoy. The question is what are the 426 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: options or next steps if Scotus rules to strike or 427 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: weaken Section two. 428 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 3: I think the question really is on recourse. 429 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: What recourse do we have if we don't have Section 430 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: four protections as much that they've changed it, Section five 431 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: and the preclearance section is virtually gone. 432 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 3: What do we have left if we don't have Section two. 433 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be very, very tough. We always have 434 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 2: the Constitution, we do have some state voting rights acts, 435 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: we have other areas of law that we can rely on. 436 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 2: But what it's going to do is make a districting 437 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 2: much more manipulated, and it means that these upcoming midterm elections, 438 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 2: I know that they are incredibly important. If you sit 439 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 2: here right now, they will become even more important because 440 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: it may be the very last election that we get 441 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: on fair lines. If we don't wind up electing a 442 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 2: Congress that's going to pass the John R. Lewis Voting 443 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: Rights Advancing Act for the Freedom to Vote Act, you 444 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: know that is that has got to be the centerpiece 445 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 2: of the elections as we head toward them, no matter 446 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 2: the outcome of this case. To be honest, because even 447 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 2: if we win, as we should and as I expect 448 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 2: we will because that's what the law says, there's still 449 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: a lot of work around our democracy that needs to 450 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 2: get done, and we do need stronger laws in order 451 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 2: to get there. 452 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 3: We definitely do. 453 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: There's another question about who's leading these lawsuits. And one 454 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: thing I also want to flag is in this particular case, 455 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: I started listening to the Solicitor General's arguments from Louisiana. 456 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,719 Speaker 1: In this particular case, it's pointed out I believe it 457 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: was by Brett Kavanaugh saying, well, what made you switch sides? 458 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: And I want to actually hear your answer on what 459 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: you think the reason for the Solicitor Jenner for the 460 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: Louisiana State to switch sides on this case. 461 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 3: Why do you think that happened? 462 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 2: Well, I think that Louisiana switch side because they saw 463 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 2: an opportunity to get out from under the Voting Rights 464 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 2: Act and having to comply with the law. They switched 465 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 2: sides from the standpoint of saying that the law, that 466 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 2: the map that they created is something that they wanted 467 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 2: to continue to descend. So they were always opposing what 468 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 2: we said in terms of the discrimination DAVI was. Remember 469 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 2: they were the original discriminator, so they were always saying, hey, 470 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 2: we did nothing wrong until we made it, you know, 471 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 2: policely clear that they had violated the law. And then 472 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: they did draw a new map and they defended that map, 473 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 2: and we were glad that they defended that map because 474 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: we think it is a fair map. They switch sides, 475 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,719 Speaker 2: I think only because they saw an opportunity in this 476 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 2: reargument to try to push the court to do away 477 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 2: with any obligations. And in sad what's most disturbing, which 478 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to really teeth 479 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 2: out in the argument, is that they actually admit in 480 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 2: their brief that there may you know, it may be 481 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 2: that we never get rid of racially pullarrivability. It may 482 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,959 Speaker 2: be that we never end residential segregation, and so that 483 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 2: means that Louisiana is going to have to comply with 484 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: this law forever. Yeah, that's right, that's right. If racism 485 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 2: continues to plague our society and make our electoral processing 486 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 2: and balance and unfair, You're right, you are going to 487 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 2: have to continue to follow the law and make sure 488 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 2: that black people aren't always on the lusion side. It 489 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 2: is thick, and what you should be saying is we're 490 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: going to do everything we can to end these factors 491 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 2: that make our electoral process unequal and unfair and unbalanced, 492 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 2: as opposed to saying, you know, whining about the fact 493 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 2: that you might have to continue to comply with the law. 494 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 2: So that to me was the most damning part of 495 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 2: their argument and should give the court a lot of 496 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 2: pause and disturb the court that they're saying basically, this 497 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 2: could go on forever and we wouldn't have to do 498 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 2: anything about it. 499 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 3: That is the part. I'm glad you got to say 500 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 3: it here breaking news, y'all. I want to I want 501 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 3: to just ask you. 502 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 2: This. 503 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: Somebody is and I know that there are folks that 504 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: are watching everything that's happening throughout the country right now, 505 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,959 Speaker 1: and it gets really discouraging and overwhelming. I was already 506 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: discouraged when they you know, got it bra in twenty thirteen, 507 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: and now it feels like they don't want us to 508 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: have any protections left. There's some folks sit at home 509 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: right now, Janae, who voted because you know, Grandma told 510 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: them to in the last selection, and they're like, what 511 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: does it do? 512 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 3: Like I'm watching someone who. 513 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: Looks like they're legitimate, like deliberately trying to cause harm 514 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: to people who look like me. And now the court 515 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: where this man has been able to appoint, you know, 516 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: three justices, they're trying to cause me harm. And when 517 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: I look at my state legislature, I don't see people 518 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: who are making decisions that make life better for me. 519 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 3: How what is the what is the urging. 520 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: That you give to someone to continue to get up, 521 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: to go to the ballot box and to fight a 522 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: little longer when they're not seeing that change they so 523 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: desperately need and desire. 524 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is that is such a good question. And 525 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 2: I guess there are a couple of answers one is 526 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 2: that all of that proves the importance of elections. Right, 527 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 2: who is sitting in the White House matters a ton. 528 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 2: It matters, you know, who we wind up arguing before 529 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 2: when we go to the Supreme for it. It matters 530 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: what executive orders we now have to navigate and fight. Right, 531 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 2: So who winds up in the White House is actually 532 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 2: extraordinarily sequential, not only because of the policies that come 533 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 2: out of the White House, but the power that the 534 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 2: president can wield in other parts of government. The other 535 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 2: piece of this is that people think that when you 536 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 2: you know, mail in your ballot or you go to 537 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 2: the precincts and you you know, pull down that lever, 538 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 2: that you can then walk away and think that everything 539 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 2: is going to be all right and that the people 540 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 2: you put in office are just going to do right 541 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 2: by you. That is a very naive way to look 542 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 2: at politics. Uh, it doesn't. It doesn't factor in accountability, 543 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 2: it doesn't fact you're in the fact that democracy is 544 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 2: an active sport. You've got to call on your representative 545 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 2: and tell them exactly what you want. You have to 546 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 2: you know, be in their face, go to their town halls, 547 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 2: you know, write the letters, be engaged with an organization 548 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 2: you know, like ours or others that are doing advocacy 549 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 2: so that we can amplify your wishes and make sure 550 00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 2: that elected officials are aware of the priorities of the 551 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: black community. I mean, it doesn't end with this casting 552 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 2: about I know that you know, people talk about the 553 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 2: right to vote and I'm one of them, how all 554 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 2: powerful it is, and it really really is. But it 555 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 2: is just the entry point, right it is. It is 556 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 2: one power that we all have. But it doesn't end there. 557 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 2: We have got to engage and we've got to hold 558 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 2: people to account. That you don't like what your state 559 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 2: legislature are doing, then or legislator is doing, then get 560 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 2: them out. But the other thing, we've got to recognize 561 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 2: that it's not a single person can just change everything. 562 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 2: And that's why getting additional districts matter. That's why making 563 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 2: sure that we use every bit of political power we 564 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 2: have is so critical because you know, one person in 565 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 2: a body of thirty is not really going to be 566 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 2: able to make a difference. But the more influence we 567 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 2: can have across you know, more districts and the more representatives, 568 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,479 Speaker 2: the better we might be able to get outcomes that 569 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 2: really matter for our community. 570 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 3: I love that. 571 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: So I today you argued a Voting Rights Act case. 572 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: When you consider what is before us right now. If 573 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: you had the top three civil rights issues that you 574 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: think not just our community, but the country should be 575 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: paying attention to, what would they be. 576 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 2: Well, Again, voting rights is definitely number one, because it is, 577 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 2: you know, the gateway I think to everything else. I'm 578 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 2: also extraordinarily concerned about the abuse of executive power. I'm 579 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 2: extraordinarily concerned by how the Trump administration is wielding military power, 580 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 2: using the National Guard to bombard black communities and cities, 581 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 2: and especially black led cities, with violent militaristic operations. I 582 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 2: think it's sinful, horrible, a moral and certainly deeply unconstitutional 583 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 2: and something that we need to I love seeing what's 584 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 2: happening in Chicago. I love seeing some of the some 585 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 2: of the pushback, and we need to be much more 586 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 2: united on that. The other concerns that I have obviously 587 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 2: you know, immigration and ice and the way that again 588 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 2: our our own government is being weaponized against everyday people 589 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 2: who are just trying to make a living and a 590 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 2: life in this country. And that in of itself should 591 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 2: be enough to give all of us pause and make 592 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 2: all of us, you know, turn out the discreet and protest. 593 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 2: But when we think about how that can easily be 594 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 2: turned into a way to terrorize even people who are 595 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 2: lawfully in this country, even people who have you know, 596 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 2: done absolutely nothing wrong, it is it is actually quite 597 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 2: scary and alarming. And that is another area where I 598 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 2: just don't see. I think enough, you know, enough enough 599 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 2: concern uh that, And I don't know that people understand 600 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 2: what you know, what that can potentially mean for all 601 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 2: of us if we let this continue to happen unchecked. 602 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, one thing that was recently put on 603 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: my radar was the undermining of the Disadvantaged Business Enterprise 604 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: Rules at DOT. Taking out race and gender considerations for 605 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: dbes is going to be detrimental not just to our community, 606 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: not just to white women, but to the economy. So 607 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: I think the other thing people don't always consider is 608 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: the clear overlap between civil rights protections and how students 609 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: are educated, what books we can read, you know, where 610 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: we can go to school or to work, or what 611 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: contracts we can qualify for. So I'm so grateful for 612 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: your work, dear sister. We always in our podcast the 613 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: costs to action. And I know folks at home want 614 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: to know. Okay, I might not be admitted to the 615 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: bar and certainly not to admitted to practice and argue 616 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: before this three Preme Court, but there's. 617 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 3: Something they can do at home. What would you offer them? 618 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 2: So everybody needs to join up with something, right, I 619 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 2: mean it's it's it's easy to sit at home on 620 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 2: our councter, have our screen right in front of us 621 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,439 Speaker 2: and just scroll and feel like we're we're doing something 622 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 2: and we're saying connected. But unless you are part of 623 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 2: some sort of movement, whether it's you know, your local 624 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 2: you know NAACP, or your you know, whatever organization that 625 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 2: suits you, a local community organization, something that you know 626 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 2: resonates with you and your identity and some of the 627 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 2: issues that you care mostly about. We all need to 628 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 2: be linked up with something and with other people who 629 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 2: are doing something to change this moment. That is key. 630 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 2: The other piece is you have to be prepared to 631 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 2: vote and exercise their power. I mean that is serious. 632 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 2: You need to bring other people with you. You need 633 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 2: to make sure that people are prepared. If it takes 634 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 2: a passport for you to vote, get a passport, you 635 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 2: don't have enough money. Let's find a way to get 636 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 2: to you one anyway. Let's figure it out, because is 637 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 2: when we get hit up on these midterms, we know 638 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,439 Speaker 2: that there's going to be a lot of challenges. There 639 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 2: may be changes to the laws of you know, what 640 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 2: the proper identification is or whatever. Let's get out ahead 641 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 2: of it. We know this is happening. We know that 642 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 2: they will do anything possible to keep us out of power. 643 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 2: So let's get out ahead of those things. And then 644 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 2: I would say, you know, find a way also to 645 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 2: make your protests known and visible. There are so many 646 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 2: ways to do that. Even if you can't physically turn 647 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 2: out on the streets or there aren't protests happening in 648 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 2: your neck of the woods, you can always use the 649 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 2: power of your purse, your pocketbook, you know, your Apple 650 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 2: k or whatever you use is your e commerce, think 651 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 2: about ways where if there are cities and states that 652 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 2: are not serving us well, or that are issuing policies, 653 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 2: or that are complicit with a rogue government, you know, 654 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 2: withdraw your fund so the extent that you can. You know, 655 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 2: if there are businesses that turn their back on DEI 656 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 2: stop it. I know we all love the convenience of 657 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 2: different you know entities out there that give us things 658 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 2: immediately next day, or you know a store that we 659 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 2: all love to go into. Uh huh. Now it's not 660 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 2: the time for convenience or luxury or comfort. Now is 661 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 2: the time for us to figure out what is it 662 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 2: that we are willing to sacrifice for our freedom? What 663 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 2: are we willing to sacrifice for, even if it's not 664 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 2: our own personal freedom, for the freedom of our communities, 665 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 2: So the freedom of our most vulnerable members and everybody 666 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 2: should be There should be at least five things that 667 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 2: you are not doing anymore that you used to do 668 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 2: because you know it's the right thing to do in 669 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 2: this moment. If this is still difference as usual, we're 670 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:41,919 Speaker 2: doing it long. 671 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 3: I love that, and it is so true. Janey. 672 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 1: Now sent everyone my good sister, who I'm very proud 673 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: of for arguing before the Supreme Court today. We are 674 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 1: in an era where we need to cherish and honor celebrate, 675 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 1: lift up and pray for our hero. 676 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 3: She certainly want of mine, Jenny. 677 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: How can folks learn more about NAACP Legal Defense Fund 678 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: and where to find. 679 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 2: You wonderful Please go to NAVPLDF dot org. Follow us 680 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 2: on all of our social channels. We are on you know, threads, 681 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 2: We're on Blue Sky, of course, we're on ig We're 682 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 2: also on that old, ancient, terrible platform. We're still there 683 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 2: because that's where we still get a lot of our 684 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 2: information out and then you can find me on all 685 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 2: of those channels as well, so you know, please get engaged. 686 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 2: And we are a trusted information source. So I know 687 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 2: there's a lot of disiness and mal information out there. 688 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 2: Count us as a place in space that cares deeply 689 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 2: about informing black people, educating black people, and hearing from 690 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,760 Speaker 2: black people. So please please connect with us. 691 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 3: I love it, Thank you so much. 692 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: She is the President and Director General of the NAACP 693 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: Legal Defense Fund. She's also a historical argument to make 694 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 1: up before the Supreme Court today. And let me tell y'all, 695 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 1: if they are smart, JANAE. Nelson will win this case. Okay, 696 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,280 Speaker 1: So shout out to you, good sister. 697 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 3: We are so grateful for everything you do. Y'all. 698 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,359 Speaker 1: Please make sure you support the NAACP Legal Defense Fund. 699 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: If we do not, we cannot have sisters like her 700 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 1: arguing before the Supreme Court when we know it is 701 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: in our best and highest interest I am also stealing 702 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: mal information for usual, I'm stealing another term from Jannae Nelson. 703 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: She's also the person that said people power is what 704 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 1: defines democracy. So we will continue to protect our power 705 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: as the people. 706 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 3: And until then, y'all welcome home. 707 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 1: Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 708 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the 709 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your 710 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: favorite shows.