Speaker 1: Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories.
Speaker 4: Done done, Hi, Hi, Hi, Welcome to That's Messed Up
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Speaker 3: I'm Kara, Hi Kara, and I am Lisa, And every
Speaker 3: week we.
Speaker 2: Talk about an episode of svuw the true crime it's
Speaker 2: based on. And then we talked to an incredible guest
Speaker 2: from the episode and post Thanksgiving bliss of an episode,
Speaker 2: how do you feel feeling good?
Speaker 1: Feeling you know, I'm pumped for I'm pumped for December.
Speaker 3: I like I'm going home for the holidays. I'm excited.
Speaker 2: Yeah, traveling with two kids would get me really pumped too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know what you know, speaking of pumped,
Speaker 1: I'm not pumping anymore. So that will make me traveling
Speaker 1: so much easier. I didn't know that you're cutting off
Speaker 1: the kids.
Speaker 3: You're done.
Speaker 1: I'm on the My boobs are clothses for business. Baby, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're done. I made it to six months with this
Speaker 1: kid and I'm done.
Speaker 2: What was the last moment. What was the moment you
Speaker 2: said I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: It's enough.
Speaker 1: I honestly, like, I pumped for like twenty minutes and
Speaker 1: like only I only got like three ounces, And I
Speaker 1: was like, what am I doing?
Speaker 3: That's not even like a one meal for this kid.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm done. I'm just And I had
Speaker 3: to go to.
Speaker 1: New York, UH for a little forty eight hour trip,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm not bringing all my pump
Speaker 1: shit just for a forty eight hour trip, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just done.
Speaker 3: So it's fine.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's already eating some solids and he's on
Speaker 1: he's been on formula for a while.
Speaker 3: It's not, it's not.
Speaker 1: I just want everyone who's listening who's a mom to
Speaker 1: not feel that pressure of like, you gotta get to
Speaker 1: a year. Everybody says you got to get to a year.
Speaker 1: You absolutely don't have to get to a year. You
Speaker 1: actually don't have to fucking breastfeed at all if you
Speaker 1: don't want too. It only works if it works for
Speaker 1: both of you. That's what my mom says, and that's
Speaker 1: what I believe anyway. And she's a doctor, yeah, a
Speaker 1: doctor and a mother of six kids. So I wanted
Speaker 1: to tell you, speaking of my family members, My brother,
Speaker 1: who's also a doctor, was visiting me and he was like, well,
Speaker 1: I've been listening to the podcast. I see Lisa's very
Speaker 1: into whippits these days.
Speaker 2: Only have done it once, I just can't wait to
Speaker 2: do it again, and I want to pick a celebratory moment,
Speaker 2: so I don't make it a regular thing, because I do.
Speaker 1: I think you have the exact right You have the
Speaker 1: exact right idea about.
Speaker 3: It, because I was basically like, what did Colin say?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 3: I was like, Colin, what's the deal with it? Like
Speaker 3: what happens?
Speaker 1: And he goes, well, you can't have some problems if
Speaker 1: you do them like habitually, like all the time, all
Speaker 1: the time, like anything. Nothing is good in abundance, you know,
Speaker 1: like you can't do everything in moderation. So then he
Speaker 1: texted me a couple of days later and was like,
Speaker 1: I just saw a patient who was a young guy
Speaker 1: with spinal dysfunction due to nitrous oxide abuse aka whippets.
Speaker 1: So he goes, it does happen abuse? This is somebody
Speaker 1: doing it abusively? Yeah, yeah, I have no reason. My
Speaker 1: brain is important to me. I have no reason to
Speaker 1: get addicted to whippets. But that's why I'm waiting, Like
Speaker 1: that's why I keep talking about it, where it's like,
Speaker 1: am I just gonna do whippets on Christmas?
Speaker 2: Am I gonna do am on New Year's? Am I
Speaker 2: gonna wait till Martin Luther King Day?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: When am I gonna do it?
Speaker 2: Because I don't want it to become a regular thing
Speaker 2: at all?
Speaker 3: Right, No, and I don't. I'm not worried about you.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna need to have a whippet
Speaker 1: intervention with you at any point.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: No, there's more problems that I There's more things that
Speaker 2: I love more like weed and cheese.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait though, can we also move on to a
Speaker 1: totally different topic, of course?
Speaker 3: Please?
Speaker 1: Recently I texted you that I was at a very small,
Speaker 1: twenty person party with the drummer from Real Red Hot
Speaker 1: Chili Peppers. Oh my god, yeah, all I thought, like
Speaker 1: the second I saw him, I just saw your tattoo
Speaker 1: in my mind, No, and he looks like Will Ferrell
Speaker 1: Famous recognized him? I go, who is the guy that's
Speaker 1: famous that looks like Will Ferrell?
Speaker 3: And in my mind, I go, it's the guy from
Speaker 3: Dad Jai Peppers. Oh my god, So did you chat
Speaker 3: with him about drumming or what and no, no, he
Speaker 3: was like playing ping pong with his kid.
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna be like hi, and it seemed like
Speaker 1: nobody knew who he was, so I was like cool.
Speaker 1: But I also remembered that my friend from high school
Speaker 1: is his niece, so I could have had an easy
Speaker 1: end if I wanted to talk to him.
Speaker 2: Wow, but yeah, he's really cool. Drummers are usually really cool.
Speaker 2: And I remember one of the documentaries they were like
Speaker 2: working on an album and all the rest of the
Speaker 2: band lived in a house and he would ride his
Speaker 2: motorcycle home every night.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm not staying here. Yeah, he seemed really cool.
Speaker 1: He was like dressed like a really cool dad. And
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, that's not Will Ferrell. That's the
Speaker 1: famous guy that looks like Will Ferrell.
Speaker 3: And I figured it out. Yes, I love that. Oh.
Speaker 2: I was talking to there's a comedian Jennif Friedman, and
Speaker 2: her husband is a musician, and I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2: We were talking and he's in Taco bell commercials. I
Speaker 2: was like, I can't be more impressed. Nothing will impress
Speaker 2: me more. His music is Yeah, he's in a band,
Speaker 2: and they Taco Bell has licensed his music time and
Speaker 2: time again. He's like in Taco Bell commercials. He also
Speaker 2: had like dinner with Paul Simon. I was like, I
Speaker 2: don't care. I don't care about this because I was like,
Speaker 2: have you ever met your heroes? I was like, who
Speaker 2: are your heroes? Have you met them? I was bothering him,
Speaker 2: for sure. I was asking lots of questions.
Speaker 1: I think Paul Simon lives in my hometown. But you're
Speaker 1: not impressed.
Speaker 3: The Taco Bell got me excited. I'm a new convert.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been going to Taco Bell more than
Speaker 1: I'd like to admit lately, because I get I just
Speaker 1: didn't know ever that they had vegetarian stuff. So I
Speaker 1: get the black bean crunch t raup supreme. That thing
Speaker 1: is good.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and you can do potatoes too, if you
Speaker 2: can stuff it with potatoes if you don't want the beans, yeah,
Speaker 2: or at potatoes. I mean, I really love a Cheesygordiita crunch.
Speaker 2: I wonder with potato. I bet that's delicious.
Speaker 3: Ooh okay, let's go try that.
Speaker 2: Try a cheesy Gordida. I'm not I'm trying not to
Speaker 2: do cheese. I can't keep I like ruined myself in
Speaker 2: New York. I had too much fun. It was like
Speaker 2: bagelegg and cheeses, Philly cheese steaks, and then in between
Speaker 2: shows I had to go home and fart for hours
Speaker 2: and like change outfits.
Speaker 3: I was like, I can't do it. I can't.
Speaker 2: I guess it's age, because I also thought I had
Speaker 2: all these cancerous moles and I went to the dermatologists
Speaker 2: and they were like, these are not moles at all.
Speaker 2: It's this thing and it just happens with age. And
Speaker 2: I was like, fuck, yeah, I can't eat dairy and
Speaker 2: I'm getting weird non cancerous brown spots.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to I don't know age sucks.
Speaker 2: I did read that thirty four is when you like
Speaker 2: one of the ages where you age the most within
Speaker 2: the year or something.
Speaker 5: What.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: The year I got married and I think I look
Speaker 1: like a little spring daisy at my wedding.
Speaker 3: You do you had a note? Yeah, you looked great
Speaker 3: at your wedding. And I loved your dress.
Speaker 2: I know you had to pick it up because it
Speaker 2: was falling off your boobs, but I liked it.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I liked the local, but yeah, Taco Bell is amazing.
Speaker 2: I was like, I have a Taco Bell bikini. I'm like,
Speaker 2: nothing will impress me more. I'm like, went on to
Speaker 2: the Grammys. I don't give a shit.
Speaker 3: Was he saying? Was she saying it? Kind of like
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's sort of like not that cool,
Speaker 3: but like his music. No, he was.
Speaker 2: He was there, Oh and then you were like what Yeah,
Speaker 2: I like lost it and then everything else he said,
Speaker 2: like any famous person or cool show or anything.
Speaker 3: It's like Taco Bell was ringing. You're like me, Taco Bell,
Speaker 3: tell me everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I've been ordering frozen vegan burritos that I keep
Speaker 2: in the freezer, and that's what I've been doing for
Speaker 2: my fix because I'm just gonna try not to eat cheese,
Speaker 2: even though my name is glitter Cheese. I mean, it
Speaker 2: is a part of my spirit. I mean it is
Speaker 2: a brand. Yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 3: Also so upsetting.
Speaker 2: I've been enjoying ink Masters the past few weeks, and
Speaker 2: I got messages that one of the hosts is a
Speaker 2: fucking creep black face all this stuff, and fuck, why
Speaker 2: why are they all bad? Why is everyone bad?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But he was married to Cat Vondee, who also had
Speaker 2: weird Nazi shit. So I shouldn't have Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I should have known.
Speaker 3: Red flags abound.
Speaker 1: All right, well we have an awesome episode, so should
Speaker 1: we just get started?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also okay the episode for him a few
Speaker 2: weeks ago of SVU, the new one. Did you watch
Speaker 2: the one where they like he was mummifying people?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Do we not talk about this?
Speaker 2: We never talked about it because I'm always a little
Speaker 2: bit behind, But like, that was one of the worst
Speaker 2: things I've ever seen. It was truly crazy, like and
Speaker 2: the guy seemed too dumb to get away with those crimes.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought that it was really cool how horrific it was.
Speaker 1: And he had like a kill room, like it was
Speaker 1: very dexter like all of that, like the full like
Speaker 1: plastic wrapped kill room, and and then I was just
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, it's this jimoke, Like I kind
Speaker 1: of just wanted it to be like a different ending.
Speaker 1: But it was very, very freaky, and people were writing
Speaker 1: us being like is this based on anything? And I
Speaker 1: got to look it up.
Speaker 3: And see, because it's fucking terrifying.
Speaker 2: Women being mummified is not real. Please don't be real.
Speaker 1: If you think nobody's been mummified, girl, you crazy people
Speaker 1: been mummified for sure.
Speaker 2: Also, thank you for the wreck for my doctors. It's
Speaker 2: so cool going to American doctors. I don't know if
Speaker 2: we've talked about this before, but I was raised going
Speaker 2: to Russian doctors and they're a mess, Like nothing's on time.
Speaker 3: You're in the waiting room for hours, you don't know
Speaker 3: what's up.
Speaker 2: Like at my appointment time, I was brought in the
Speaker 2: back like I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3: Wow, I could not believe it.
Speaker 2: It's a nice office, right, but yeah, it was an
Speaker 2: incredible office. It's just like it felt clean, and they
Speaker 2: give you a mask. They didn't trust your own mask.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all the Cedars places, Yeah, what's up with that?
Speaker 3: But why?
Speaker 1: Because I think they're like, if we just give everybody one,
Speaker 1: then we don't have to have arguments with the people
Speaker 1: that come in with like the fucking gator masks song
Speaker 1: because those are not like compliant, or people that come
Speaker 1: in with like a loose ask mask that's falling down.
Speaker 1: You don't even have to deal with anything. You're just like,
Speaker 1: here's a new mask. Everyone puts a new mask on,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, it was very respectful.
Speaker 3: I liked it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I go to your derma ptologists. Now the dentist
Speaker 2: I go to. Ah, I'm going to all your professions.
Speaker 2: He's a love I love that dentist.
Speaker 3: Good for you.
Speaker 2: You don't have to go to an endocrinologist. I had
Speaker 2: to find my own. Hey, I'm sure someday I will.
Speaker 2: All right, guys, let's kick off today's episode. We got
Speaker 2: a good one for you. Okay, So today we are
Speaker 2: doing the episode Poison, season five, episode twenty four, which
Speaker 2: makes me think, was this is season finale?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, it was the second to last Okay, wow, twenty
Speaker 2: five up season amazing SVU. So I would say this
Speaker 2: is one of my top favorite episodes.
Speaker 3: I probably say that a lot.
Speaker 2: But this is a shining, suspenseful, cool moment where the
Speaker 2: little guys win.
Speaker 1: This is one I always remember because it makes me
Speaker 1: so furious, like I want to kill Tom Scarett in
Speaker 1: most of this episodes, so I always remember it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and it's wild.
Speaker 2: We're working on this and recently, you know, there was
Speaker 2: a case of that judge sending all those kids to
Speaker 2: you know, there's just bad judges out there.
Speaker 1: No one stop making people feel important. Power changes your brain.
Speaker 2: There's like science and it makes you fucked up, and
Speaker 2: you know it's not good. That's why teen Stars act
Speaker 2: like a maniacs. They're just like, power too soon fucks
Speaker 2: your brain. So we start out it's the episode starts
Speaker 2: on a child at the hospital. So this isn't good,
Speaker 2: and we hear like voices off the camera and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: what if she survives, blah blah blah. You know, there's chats,
Speaker 2: there's chats happening. There's a blonde woman in purple holding
Speaker 2: a baby and is very very distraught. Olivia with some exposition, says,
Speaker 2: were you with your niece when she got sick? And
Speaker 2: the woman goes no, Her brother called Alexis wasn't breathing,
Speaker 2: so we know that's the baby and he was going
Speaker 2: nuts and asked to me at the hospital. So we
Speaker 2: find out this child that's in the hospital, it's Alexis.
Speaker 2: She was adopted from Romania last year at age three.
Speaker 2: And then this woman's brother and wife had twin babies
Speaker 2: and they were born right after the adoption, and I
Speaker 2: think there's one more child in the family.
Speaker 1: But oh, I was just gonna say this is kind
Speaker 1: of like a phenomenon that happens all the time when
Speaker 1: people adopt and then they have a baby. Yes, and
Speaker 1: this that happened to my one of my best friends.
Speaker 1: I learned that from Sex in the City was Charlotte.
Speaker 2: Oh right, right, right, So I'm glad to confirm that
Speaker 2: that is correct.
Speaker 3: That does happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like my friend and her brother are only ten
Speaker 1: months apart because they adopted her brother and then they
Speaker 1: got pregnant like right away.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Our bodies are wild.
Speaker 2: That's why you have to tell yourself nice things and
Speaker 2: not stress yourself out, because her body's listened to what
Speaker 2: we tell that.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So I was really impressed with this scene because it
Speaker 2: was like so much exposition and information but in such
Speaker 2: a natural way. So I just was really impressed because
Speaker 2: usually it's a little too obvious, but I thought.
Speaker 3: They nailed it.
Speaker 2: The aunt is right on it and is like they
Speaker 2: called you because they think she was poisoned. Right, And
Speaker 2: so we get the title of the episode before the
Speaker 2: credits even. I mean, of course, this is a top
Speaker 2: ten episode and Benson has like a Florence Henderson reimagined
Speaker 2: care if she was hosting what not to wear. That's
Speaker 2: what I got. I don't know if that makes sense
Speaker 2: at all. If you think she looks like something else,
Speaker 2: let us know. So without skipping a beat, she's like,
Speaker 2: the sister in law did it. The mom fucking did it.
Speaker 2: So that's what the ample leaves, and so we have
Speaker 2: a suspect and an accusation before the credits. Again jam
Speaker 2: packed this episode.
Speaker 1: I just don't understand, like how the aunt ended up
Speaker 1: bringing in all the children, Like I know, I get,
Speaker 1: we need her for the exposition. Why does she have
Speaker 1: all the children at the hospital. So the brother called
Speaker 1: her and was like, meet me at the hospital. So
Speaker 1: she came to meet all the kids because there's so
Speaker 1: many fucking kids everywhere, so I think she came with everybody,
Speaker 1: but she probably wanted to be there because she knows
Speaker 1: her sister in law sucks.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Because there is a doctor Michael Baden HBO autopsy episode
Speaker 2: where someone was writing it and being like I know,
Speaker 2: oh his wife killed my brother.
Speaker 3: Like I know it.
Speaker 2: The death certificate said accident. So Michael Baden found evidence
Speaker 2: and like they were able to put the sister away.
Speaker 2: So sometimes in your gut, you just kind of know
Speaker 2: what's going on. Yeah, and you know, siblings merry weird
Speaker 2: people all the time.
Speaker 3: So not my sister.
Speaker 2: She'd a great Elan's taking me to the airport tonight,
Speaker 2: okay and bringing me an edible.
Speaker 1: So this is good news. You have a good brother
Speaker 1: in law for sure. I have good in law brothers
Speaker 1: and sister in laws too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like what if he sucked and was poisoning
Speaker 2: my nephew, Like fuck, not good. But the aunt's like, listen,
Speaker 2: this bitch is so cruel to Alexis, never a kind word,
Speaker 2: never a kiss, her hug. She dotes on the twins
Speaker 2: and Katie, but she sees this girl as a burden.
Speaker 2: And Katie is seven and loves Alexis, so hopefully she'll
Speaker 2: have some scoop for us. So we meet little Katie.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, she's wearing purple. Interesting. So she's really cute.
Speaker 2: She's very cute, blonde, pigtails, and she's about to get
Speaker 2: kid interrogated by stabler.
Speaker 3: Lucky girl.
Speaker 2: So she was watching SpongeBob and Alexis was in the
Speaker 2: corner in the kitchen because she goes there when she's bad,
Speaker 2: and she has to like count to ten over and
Speaker 2: over and over again because she rode on the wall
Speaker 2: with Kram.
Speaker 3: So that's where we are.
Speaker 2: And then we find out from the girl that she
Speaker 2: drank the soapy water. The mom gave her a pail
Speaker 2: to wash the wall, and the mom put the sponge
Speaker 2: in her mouth, and like Alexis was coughing, and she
Speaker 2: just kept putting soapy water into her child's mouth. And
Speaker 2: then Alexis threw up and she wanted to sit down,
Speaker 2: but the mom wouldn't let her and made her stand,
Speaker 2: and then the girl fell and couldn't get up, so
Speaker 2: this is not good news. The mom and dad they
Speaker 2: run over and Katie runs into her mom's arms and
Speaker 2: she has a side part the mom with a low
Speaker 2: ponytail and a brown sway jacket, some gold hoops, and
Speaker 2: the guy looks like generic business. If you look up
Speaker 2: clip art business guy, that's what this guy is. Benson says,
Speaker 2: we're gonna go down to the station, and the mom's like,
Speaker 2: we got to get the kids home. And Stabler sexy, sexy,
Speaker 2: more mad than anyone. If you're not nice to your children,
Speaker 2: you get better watch out because Stabler's coming. And he says,
Speaker 2: if I have anything to do with it. You will
Speaker 2: never see those kids again. And so she's under the
Speaker 2: fucking arrests for attempted murder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true, Like Maloney's not like a fan of rapists,
Speaker 1: but if you fucking heard a kid Maloney wants to
Speaker 1: like he burns through you with his eyes, his beautiful
Speaker 1: blue eye.
Speaker 3: God, just like such a I will always like God.
Speaker 2: Our listeners are so horny, and now I'm like, I guess,
Speaker 2: like mother, like daughter, I'm feeling very horny. So whatever,
Speaker 2: We get an arrest and the credits begin, so let's
Speaker 2: get this episode party started. We're back and she's like, listen,
Speaker 2: I love my daughter and Wendy's hated me.
Speaker 3: Don't believe that nonsense.
Speaker 2: She's like lucky to say this, and they're like, actually, no,
Speaker 2: Katie said that. Is Katie a dumbitch too? Or what's
Speaker 2: up with that? And it's like, no, your daughter ratted
Speaker 2: you out. We get a defense attorney showing up. Barry
Speaker 2: Bostwick aka Oliver Gates. Yes, we see him sometimes, but
Speaker 2: we never really take the time to celebrate him because
Speaker 2: we hate him, you know, But this motherfucker's been working.
Speaker 2: He was in Rocky Horror Picture Show. Yeah, very Bostwick is,
Speaker 2: that's impressive. Spin City. He was in one hundred and
Speaker 2: forty five episodes.
Speaker 3: That's cool.
Speaker 2: Oh And then in his IMDb, like in the credits
Speaker 2: it said young guy Christian, but I thought it's a
Speaker 2: young gay Christian and I was like, okay, but it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not the show that we wanted. But if you
Speaker 2: have Barry Boss, you're rich. Okay, you're you can afford
Speaker 2: his services. The mom gets defensive, of course, and is like,
Speaker 2: I'm a good mother. I would never do anything like this.
Speaker 2: And then we pan to the husband who's being interrogated
Speaker 2: by Munch and Finn, and he's defending his wife, but
Speaker 2: it means nothing because he works all day so he
Speaker 2: doesn't actually see what's going on. But he's like, not, like,
Speaker 2: if my wife wanted to poison her, why would we
Speaker 2: then rush her to the hospital. And they're like, we're
Speaker 2: more worried about your wife, not you, Like we're talking
Speaker 2: about the wife, and that your sister Wendy says your
Speaker 2: wife is bad news, and he goes, Wendy's jealous of
Speaker 2: my wife.
Speaker 3: That's like a fact.
Speaker 2: And then he slips of the tongue and he goes
Speaker 2: and my wife loved Alexis And munch Is like, you
Speaker 2: mean loves loves right, she's not dead or did you
Speaker 2: want her dead? What's going on here? And so Stabler
Speaker 2: and Benson joined Novak Huang, and Huang says they pumped
Speaker 2: out two cups of detergent out of a Lexus's stomach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like not a tide pod. That's like a
Speaker 1: full like two cups. That's a lot of fucking detergent.
Speaker 1: I understand parenting his heart.
Speaker 2: So let's say you something happens, you crack and you
Speaker 2: put the soap in the kid's mouth. That's a second.
Speaker 2: That's two seconds, maybe ten seconds. That's not ten cups
Speaker 2: or two cups? Two cups? Two cups? Yeah, I like
Speaker 2: how exaggerated. Immediately you made it worse. So they get
Speaker 2: into like a little minor moment of like is this
Speaker 2: kid even reliable? You know, I've been doing this longer
Speaker 2: than you. A kid in court is hard, Like what's
Speaker 2: gonna happen? And Huang's like, you know what, I'll talk
Speaker 2: to the kid and I'll see if she knows the
Speaker 2: difference between a lie and a truth. And I always
Speaker 2: love the little games they play with the children. So
Speaker 2: Kwang's like, what color is this? And she says purple.
Speaker 2: So they're coloring and talking about lies, truths, promises. She
Speaker 2: has two braids, and you know, she knows all these
Speaker 2: things they're doing some church talks.
Speaker 3: God, what's happening?
Speaker 2: Like, So Huang's on this, and I think the kid
Speaker 2: knows the difference between a lie and a truth. So
Speaker 2: that we meet the judge that's gonna be in this case.
Speaker 2: So it's Boss Wick Novak, and it's Judge Oliver Test
Speaker 2: aka Tom Scarett, a person working for decades, decades.
Speaker 1: You know, he's Shelby's father and Steel Magnolias if you're
Speaker 1: a fan, and.
Speaker 3: I've always loved him.
Speaker 2: I've never seen Steel Magnolia's but Candy Lawrence used to
Speaker 2: have a joke where she'd put, like, start drinking beer
Speaker 2: a liquid and then shake her mouth and go.
Speaker 3: Drink your juice, Shelby, drink your juice.
Speaker 2: All the liquids would go everywhere, and I loved the joke.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the joke was, but she
Speaker 1: was spit liquids and I loved it. Drinking juice shit,
Speaker 1: juice is batter. Oh, I love that movie so much,
Speaker 1: you gotta watch it. It's like filled with icons like
Speaker 1: blush and yeah blush and bashed my colors a blush,
Speaker 1: I'm bashful. Yeah, how much do I know from just
Speaker 1: a candy joke? Which is amazing.
Speaker 2: So the lawyers are debating with Judge Scarett, and they're
Speaker 2: like debating if the kid is credible. Okay, Judge Taft,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back from Taft to scare It.
Speaker 3: Both are really fun names to say.
Speaker 2: President Taft's the one that was too big for the
Speaker 2: bathtub and broke the tub.
Speaker 3: Is that him?
Speaker 2: Maybe Hannah's Yeah, if I know one president fact, it's
Speaker 2: the guy who has broke a bathtub.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So Judge Taft goes, listen, my court, my rules, get
Speaker 2: the little kid in here, and I'm gonna figure out
Speaker 2: what's up. Okay, I'm gonna decide if she's competent or
Speaker 2: not from my fucking courtroom because it's my courtroom and
Speaker 2: not yours. But also it's like it's not yours either,
Speaker 2: or you're borrowing it from the city, my thing, my
Speaker 2: tax dollars, Like that court is more my court than
Speaker 2: your fucking court. And he also lets Casey knows she
Speaker 2: better be dressed appropriate tomorrow and what that means is
Speaker 2: in a skirt by nine am. And that fucking sucks.
Speaker 2: That's annoying. Someone told me to wear a skirt. I mean,
Speaker 2: I like wearing skirts. I don't know why I'm acting
Speaker 2: like this.
Speaker 3: But I don't. I don't want to be told to
Speaker 3: do it. No, it's like no.
Speaker 2: And so you know, we're getting a picture started out.
Speaker 3: It's his courtroom. You wear a dress.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: He's a piece of shit.
Speaker 2: So he starts questioning the little girl and he's not
Speaker 2: giving her a chance, like he wants her to be
Speaker 2: thrown off the case. It is really fucked up. He's
Speaker 2: asking super confusing questions. It's like he's trying to trip
Speaker 2: her up and it really sucks. And I don't know
Speaker 2: why he's so against her. I think he's just a
Speaker 2: piece of shit. And like I said, power dilutes the brain.
Speaker 2: I've said this time and time again, but like there's
Speaker 2: studies and power makes your brain rotten. So he's talking
Speaker 2: about right hands, left hands, bibles. She's about to cry.
Speaker 2: She runs away from him as fast as she can,
Speaker 2: and Novak's like, I'm sorry to be fair. I was
Speaker 2: confused by those questions, and he goes, I wouldn't go
Speaker 2: around telling people that, and I do love that interaction.
Speaker 2: So now there's a meeting and there's going back and
Speaker 2: forth about the kid's testimony and if the cops course them,
Speaker 2: and it's just like very.
Speaker 3: Annoying because we know what's going on.
Speaker 2: And so we are now on a hearing with Stabler
Speaker 2: on the stand in front of Judge Scarett, and Novak's like,
Speaker 2: did you force the kid to say anything about the
Speaker 2: mom and the soap and the throat and anything? And
Speaker 2: he goes, no, she brought it up on her own.
Speaker 2: I expressed no opinions. And that's true. We all saw it.
Speaker 2: We saw it. Okay, they're also taping the little kid interactions.
Speaker 2: They're not just letting a cop and a child interact
Speaker 2: in that room. There's video footage. No one fucking forced
Speaker 2: anything out of anybody.
Speaker 3: But also she talked to Huang too, So that's like
Speaker 3: two people.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they never bring that up that
Speaker 1: she talked to Huang also, who's like a certified psychiatrist.
Speaker 3: Broughte the fucking FBI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like, you're a product of the government.
Speaker 2: Scaret so like, if you want respect, why wouldn't you're
Speaker 2: to other people working within the like the government.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's just I mean we'll find out, obviously.
Speaker 2: So back and forth conversation, it's all going fine, and
Speaker 2: then the defense is like, didn't you tell her that
Speaker 2: she would never see her kids again if you had
Speaker 2: anything to do with it? And Novak's like, okay, this again, Stabler,
Speaker 2: are you fucking kidding me? And Stabler's like, that's out
Speaker 2: of context, but it wasn't. So basically, there's just like
Speaker 2: a lot of situations. But Stabler didn't hate the mom
Speaker 2: First he got the story from the kid and then
Speaker 2: formed his opinion. So you know, there's a stunt happening.
Speaker 2: So Stabler goes, listen, I know how to conduct an interview.
Speaker 2: I don't need this judgment. And I had a moment
Speaker 2: recently with like a younger but more successful monetarily, like
Speaker 2: this kid's selling out. But it's like, you've done you know,
Speaker 2: you haven't done comedy a long time, and there's a
Speaker 2: difference between selling tickets and having a craft that you've
Speaker 2: honed for over a decade.
Speaker 3: But I was talking about how.
Speaker 2: Someone was annoying me and being rude, And this young
Speaker 2: comedian says, I mean, don't you think they could have
Speaker 2: just been joking? And the way I looked at him,
Speaker 2: I go, I think I could tell the difference between
Speaker 2: a joke and not, don't you think? And and he uh,
Speaker 2: I think I think he realized what he did.
Speaker 1: And oh god, if you all could see Lisa's face
Speaker 1: right now, you would not want to be on the
Speaker 1: receiving end of that comment.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, I could tell if someone's being
Speaker 2: a kidding. Yeah, but it was a it was a
Speaker 2: fun moment. Obviously, tensions are high in the courtroom. Stabler
Speaker 2: has been disrespected, his words are being switched around. This
Speaker 2: woman is poisoning her child. The judge is telling Casey
Speaker 2: to wear a skirt. What the fuck's about to happen?
Speaker 2: So as Stabler walks out of the courtroom, he gets
Speaker 2: what's up and under his breath he goes, this is
Speaker 2: a joke, and the judge goes, what the fuck did
Speaker 2: you say? And Stabler Louder goes, it's a fucking joke,
Speaker 2: and scare It's like, nobody cares what you think. And
Speaker 2: Stabler's like fuck you. Obviously not all these fucks. All
Speaker 2: these fucks are Liza's. Yeah, and Stabler goes, you think
Speaker 2: I bullied a seven year old girl? Like that's what
Speaker 2: you And then you know they're fighting and uh and
Speaker 2: it's like that's what you did, Judge, Like you did
Speaker 2: what you're accusing maloney of. That's why you're so suspicious.
Speaker 2: You fucking bullied this child. Stabler wouldn't do that. So
Speaker 2: Sailor gets put in contempt and Elliott is off to
Speaker 2: a cell and he smiles like, oh my god, and
Speaker 2: Novak looks very, very angry, but she bails his ass
Speaker 2: out of the cell, and they have a back and
Speaker 2: forth about ego like I meant, you know, sometimes sometimes
Speaker 2: you feel threatened and outbursts and loyalty and YadA YadA.
Speaker 3: And then we have Marlo Thomas.
Speaker 2: Hello, I've been to some misfoundation events with her. I'm
Speaker 2: sure she does not remember. Okay, so what is her
Speaker 2: job in this episode? So she's actually the one that
Speaker 2: bailed Elliott out and was able to drop the contempt charge.
Speaker 2: She has judged Mary Clark and she's been in four
Speaker 2: episodes of SVU. She tells Elliott stop acting like a
Speaker 2: and tells Novak play the game with this judge and
Speaker 2: do your job. Novak says he's an arrogant prick and
Speaker 2: hates young attorneys, and Marla's like, okay, we'll pick your battles,
Speaker 2: all right. Winning a trial is more important than wearing
Speaker 2: a skirt. And they have a nice relationship because Novak
Speaker 2: clerked for her and that's so that's how they all
Speaker 2: know each other. So we jumped to court. Do you
Speaker 2: have any mentors? Mentors?
Speaker 3: Well? Really, okay, well all right do you?
Speaker 2: I guess David Tel But yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I don't know if he wants to be my mentor,
Speaker 2: but I forced myself upon him.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think I have hero people I look up to,
Speaker 2: but I don't know if anyone's take it like a mentor.
Speaker 2: But I just watched the Seinfeld Mentor and unfortunately one
Speaker 2: of our friends I saw online her mentor recently died,
Speaker 2: and I was like, do I need to get a mentor?
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just never I mean, yeah, definitely have people I
Speaker 1: look up to and I ask for advice, but I
Speaker 1: can't think of any of them right now.
Speaker 2: I don't know, yeh, but you know, Judge Mary Clark
Speaker 2: is a good mentor to have. But is our queen,
Speaker 2: what's our queen's name, Judith Light?
Speaker 1: Do you think she's jealous? Do you think Judith's Light
Speaker 1: like I'm your fucking mentor. She seems more like Stephanie
Speaker 1: Marsh's mentor. She's like a cabint mentor. Okay, and then
Speaker 1: Novak Scott Marlowe, this is god, I.
Speaker 3: Love this show.
Speaker 2: Okay, So we jumped to court. It's April nineteenth, which
Speaker 2: is my sister's birthday, so that's exciting. And the Oklahoma
Speaker 2: bombing if you're you know, into that a big day
Speaker 2: for many people, go on, well, now it sucked because
Speaker 2: Oklahoma bombing is on my sister's birthday. And then Princess
Speaker 2: Dana died on my birthday and I was like, why
Speaker 2: are we so cursed?
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So now we have some court games again. Basically,
Speaker 2: the defense is like, we want to waive a jury
Speaker 2: trial and just have the judge decide, and Novak's like, no,
Speaker 2: because there's an advantage with your perceived favor, and of
Speaker 2: course he gets offended. He goes, no, there's more risk
Speaker 2: to the defendant to wave the jury usually you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like it's one guy's opinion. So if
Speaker 2: Mama Murder is down for the risk, I'm down and
Speaker 2: everyone's down, so no jury selection, go fuck yourself. And
Speaker 2: so Novak's upset obviously, and scare and her make eye
Speaker 2: contact and they are their enemies. So she says, the
Speaker 2: people request that he recuse himself from the trial on
Speaker 2: the grounds of there's a clear bias in this case.
Speaker 2: And the next scene is a masterclass in acting Diane
Speaker 2: Neil and Scarett, just like Murder the scene. Judges are
Speaker 2: trained to examine their biases, and I've decided that I
Speaker 2: can judge this case. And he is satisfied that he
Speaker 2: is partial. So your request is denied and we'll see
Speaker 2: you in the morning for trial. So he gets to
Speaker 2: decide if he's biased or not in this case, which
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense. But Judge Mary Clark and Novak meet
Speaker 2: outside in a very New York fun moment that makes me,
Speaker 2: of course wistful, and Marlowe like, you asked an egomaniac
Speaker 2: to recuse himself. What's wrong with you? She says that
Speaker 2: him saying that we are reaching with the attempted murder
Speaker 2: charge as fuck.
Speaker 3: She's like, what the hell is that? So that's true.
Speaker 2: There is a bias. If you're like are you sure
Speaker 2: about that charge? You already have an opinion that it's
Speaker 2: too strict. So marlow says, maybe it's a tactic. Maybe not,
Speaker 2: but she goes, listen, this is a judge of been a.
Speaker 2: You know what's up. He's just trying to plead this
Speaker 2: case out, lower the charge, make his life easier. He's
Speaker 2: just thinking about himself, like relax. It has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with like the specificity of the case. It's just
Speaker 2: like that, you know, he's trying to get a day off,
Speaker 2: trying to get a summer friday. So Novak wants to
Speaker 2: take this further and Marlowe is like, okay, you want
Speaker 2: to publicly humiliate him.
Speaker 3: Have fun.
Speaker 2: So Novak meets Stabler in a sunlit, busy hallway and
Speaker 2: is like, fuck this noise, let's plead her out, and
Speaker 2: he goes, no, no, no, no, look what I found.
Speaker 2: She tried to give Alexis back. So six months after
Speaker 2: adopting Alexis, she tried to give her back. And she's like,
Speaker 2: let's see him try to throw this out, you know, like,
Speaker 2: this is definitely a challenge, and it shows that this
Speaker 2: woman did not want to be a mother of this child.
Speaker 2: And it's only now been twenty four hours. What a busy,
Speaker 2: busy day do these people in that nap Are they
Speaker 2: sleeping five hours a day?
Speaker 3: Are they eating?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: Are they taking care of themselves?
Speaker 2: It is only fos, but it is four twenty, So
Speaker 2: if you are a partaker in drugs, you know, hit
Speaker 2: a bowl and that's exciting. Hit the vapepen, suck on
Speaker 2: that bong. It's four twenty. In court, all right, mom
Speaker 2: is on trial and she's saying how she's like overwhelmed
Speaker 2: with all these kids and she's embarrassed. She tried to
Speaker 2: give her back, but she thought she could have a
Speaker 2: better life with someone else. She says, I'm sorry I
Speaker 2: couldn't keep my eye on her. I do love her,
Speaker 2: and I'm sorry she was acting kind of weird after
Speaker 2: the detergent, but she had a stomach bug, so I
Speaker 2: thought the puke was just part of that. And then
Speaker 2: it's like, but didn't your daughter turn blue? Like this
Speaker 2: girl passed out and turned blue, And the mom still
Speaker 2: waited for the husband to go to the hospital, and
Speaker 2: for me, if knock on wood I was with any
Speaker 2: loose child who turned blue and passed out, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: wait for anybody. I would start doing chess compressions and
Speaker 2: calling nine one one, like I don't understand what's going on.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm first aid certified. Maybe not everyone should
Speaker 2: do chess compressions, but it's just weird. So Novak stands
Speaker 2: up ready for war. She's on a mission, and this
Speaker 2: is the sexiest we've seen Novak. Okay, She's like, wait,
Speaker 2: so you said Alexis was fine all day, while a
Speaker 2: doctor from the hospital said that she was in excruciating.
Speaker 3: Pain for hours.
Speaker 2: And Novak brings up another good point and is like,
Speaker 2: if you knew that she had ingested cleaning solution, why
Speaker 2: not take her to the hospital right away? Clearly, I
Speaker 2: think it's a good point. I made it earlier, and
Speaker 2: it's like better safe than sorry.
Speaker 3: What are you doing?
Speaker 2: And Novak's like, were you just scared they were gonna
Speaker 2: be able to tell that you were abusing your daughter?
Speaker 2: And then there's a sustained objection and no vectin not
Speaker 2: like that, and Scaret says, listen, this is obviously an accident.
Speaker 3: And this is sad.
Speaker 2: But come on, guys, relax, no big deal, even though
Speaker 2: there'll be permanent damage to your daughter. He says, I
Speaker 2: know you love your daughter. I believe you didn't force
Speaker 2: her to drink poison. This is a tragedy and not
Speaker 2: guilty on all charges. And Stabler is like what And
Speaker 2: the mom and dad kiss on the lips for a
Speaker 2: really long time.
Speaker 1: It is a weird, like French kiss for you just
Speaker 1: got acquitted for murdering attempted murder on our daughter.
Speaker 2: Oh god, it's like, we want more fucking in the show,
Speaker 2: but not like this, not like this.
Speaker 1: So it's weird because it's like it's kind of feels
Speaker 1: this like the only reason Scaret that, I'm sorry, Judge
Speaker 1: Taft likes this couple is just because they're like a nice,
Speaker 1: white young couple that seem proper right, Like he doesn't
Speaker 1: have any other reason to be like biased towards them.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know that if this family was like poor,
Speaker 1: or this was a single mom with like a sexual history,
Speaker 1: or like this was a black family like she, he
Speaker 1: would totally not be ruling this way.
Speaker 3: Well we'll see, Kara, won't we Oh, I guess we won't.
Speaker 2: Uh novakan stable and then it's also like, I wonder
Speaker 2: if he was going extra hard just to fuck with
Speaker 2: Novak too, Like he's annoyed with Novak at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: So Novak and Stabler meet up outside and Novak reveals
Speaker 2: she wants him off the bench and she's going after him,
Speaker 2: and she goes, if this is justice, I don't want
Speaker 2: this career love her. So Marlow is like in a
Speaker 2: very high fancy building and an incredibly body hugging skirts suit,
Speaker 2: and she you know, she needs a favor. Novak's been
Speaker 2: going through all of his decisions in the past ten
Speaker 2: years and they suck, and Marlow's like, this is a
Speaker 2: waste of time. And then Novak go's, no, look, there
Speaker 2: was another child poison case and that kind of piques
Speaker 2: Marlow's interest and she's like, okay, fine, let me see it.
Speaker 2: So basically this the case involves Silvo. So this person Silvo,
Speaker 2: takes the daughter to the hospital and then gets arrested
Speaker 2: for poisoning with anti freeze and waives a jury trial,
Speaker 2: but taff disallows an expert witnessed that would say that
Speaker 2: the daughter is a genetic disorder disease, not poison, and
Speaker 2: then the lawyers requested a recusal and that didn't work,
Speaker 2: and now Silvo is doing twenty five two life very
Speaker 2: similar cases. So it's like, come on, help me, help
Speaker 2: me get this commissioner judge investigation guy. And Marlow's like,
Speaker 2: if you bring me proof and he did something wrong,
Speaker 2: I'll be your ride or die. Okay, I will go.
Speaker 2: I will do this with you if you give me
Speaker 2: the evidence that I need. So now Casey's doing a
Speaker 2: walk and talk with the lawyer from the case of
Speaker 2: this poisoning that happened, and she was looking and he's like,
Speaker 2: I quit criminal law because of him. He wrongfully convicted
Speaker 2: my client and I hated that motherfucker, and he like
Speaker 2: ruined my life and I couldn't get a job anywhere.
Speaker 2: And he's like, I found this expert that believed that
Speaker 2: the anti freeze thing was wrong and it was a disease,
Speaker 2: but he needed to have a test done, and since
Speaker 2: he was a court appointed attorney, the judge in the case,
Speaker 2: who happened to be taffed, got to approve funding, and
Speaker 2: he denied it and said it was junk science. So
Speaker 2: Noveach goes, oh, well, now he's a crusader for mothers.
Speaker 2: And he goes, oh, let me guess carry, you were
Speaker 2: right rich June Cleaver type with a husband in the picture,
Speaker 2: and so he has a class bias, and like, what
Speaker 2: a good mother is?
Speaker 1: I missed this whole part. I missed the whole part.
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to, like, yeah, I just missed him
Speaker 1: saying this. I must have like gotten a glass of water.
Speaker 1: I just missed that part. I saw this talk with
Speaker 1: the lawyer, but I missed the June Cleaver part and
Speaker 1: all that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so you were right. Well, no, so you
Speaker 3: were on it.
Speaker 2: So he goes, yeah, there was a class bias, the
Speaker 2: good mother thing. You know, we find out this former
Speaker 2: mother was like poor as fuck, uneducated. No Dad and
Speaker 2: Scaret thought she was a slut and didn't hide it.
Speaker 2: And it also aligns with his ideas of like wanting
Speaker 2: a woman to wear skirts to court. We talked about this,
Speaker 2: like the Virgin Madonna, like you want a woman to
Speaker 2: be how you think a woman is, and if you
Speaker 2: do not fit my interpretation of what a good woman is,
Speaker 2: you suck and you belong in jail. So that's that.
Speaker 2: And he tried to recuse Scaret badmouth to him all
Speaker 2: over town, so he hasn't been able to work. And
Speaker 2: Novak's great, we have the same enemy, file the paperwork
Speaker 2: for me and let's get this guy down.
Speaker 3: And this man's like, lol, no way, thanks, thank you,
Speaker 3: not interested.
Speaker 2: So then he brings up a really good point and
Speaker 2: he goes, instead of fucking around with Taft, why don't
Speaker 2: you try to get Rosalin Silvo out of jail? Go
Speaker 2: get that bitch, like, help her. So I do like
Speaker 2: where this guy's coming from. Where it's like, instead of
Speaker 2: playing these games, your ego games, because Novak's having an
Speaker 2: ego about this too, And instead of like going and
Speaker 2: getting this judge off the bench, why don't we get
Speaker 2: Rosalin Silvo, who's been wrongfully convicted out of jail.
Speaker 3: So we start to focus on that.
Speaker 2: So back at the precinct, Benson's telling the crew about
Speaker 2: the Rosalin Silvo case. Basically, in nineteen ninety three, she
Speaker 2: showed up in the er with her one year old daughter, Christine.
Speaker 2: The baby was vomiting and couldn't breathe, and found there
Speaker 2: were found high levels of this chemical that's in anti freeze,
Speaker 2: and the baby died and she was arrested. She was
Speaker 2: also pregnant during this and she had to have her
Speaker 2: baby in jail and the baby is still in foster care.
Speaker 2: Also a twist, there was no anti freeze ever found
Speaker 2: in her home, so at the emmy confirmed what the
Speaker 2: hospital said, and Craigan is like, no one looked into
Speaker 2: this genetic disease, Like what is going on? And Novak
Speaker 2: says that there was some cousin in the family who
Speaker 2: allegedly had died of this disease, but Taft would not
Speaker 2: let the evidence in, so they couldn't find the dad,
Speaker 2: and they couldn't do the tests, and they couldn't do
Speaker 2: all this. So it's like, let's go, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 2: Lots of work to do, team, so they have to work.
Speaker 2: So now we're Hudson University, our favorite rape college and.
Speaker 3: Rape college, our number.
Speaker 1: One place to get assaulted in New York's what I
Speaker 1: have time out? Did that the pap ten universities to
Speaker 1: get groped at?
Speaker 3: Okay? So okay.
Speaker 2: So now it's the twenty first of April when they
Speaker 2: go to Hudson, So it's only been three days. So
Speaker 2: all of this has happened in three days really fast.
Speaker 2: So this doctor at Hudson says, maybe this baby could
Speaker 2: have had MMA. It's when you're body lacks an enzyme
Speaker 2: something with protein. And I watched this scene three times
Speaker 2: and I have no clue what they were saying.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to talk about it later anymore perfect.
Speaker 2: So the lab found ethylene glycomb and basically it's something
Speaker 2: that's used in anti freezing photography. But MMA is this
Speaker 2: disease and it produces this enzyme, so old tests might
Speaker 2: think it's anti freeze. But there's technology now that can
Speaker 2: tell the difference between the disease and a poisoning. And
Speaker 2: so we go to the prison to meet the mom
Speaker 2: behind the bars, and it's Becky from Roseanne the og
Speaker 2: one Alicia Gorenson, an icon, a queen, and a legend.
Speaker 3: Do you have a thought original Becky? I was just
Speaker 3: excited to see her.
Speaker 1: I was like, original Becky, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And she wildly in Sex and the City, played like
Speaker 2: a surrogate who is gonna give Charlotte and Harry a baby?
Speaker 2: But then changed her mind and they were like, well
Speaker 2: why did you go along with this meeting and the like?
Speaker 3: We had just never been.
Speaker 2: To New York and so she plays like a poor
Speaker 2: mother very well, I guess because in Sex and the
Speaker 2: City and SVU playing poor mothers, that's pretty fun. And
Speaker 2: I think, did she have a child in Roseanne two?
Speaker 3: I think so, yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't remember whether it's her or new Becky gets
Speaker 1: a kid, but Becky has a kid, I feel like.
Speaker 3: But then old Becky came back. It was like really wild,
Speaker 3: you know, like, isn't old Becky on the Conners right now? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I knew Becky was on Scrubs, so she made her
Speaker 2: multimilli so she doesn't have to be working. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm sure everyone likes Sorek. It's their passion, but they're
Speaker 2: all all the Becky's are doing good. And Darley no
Speaker 2: big deal. I did get to audition in front of
Speaker 2: the actress who played to Darleyan recently during the Pandemic
Speaker 2: on Zoom.
Speaker 1: But Sarah Gilbert Sarah Gilbert an additional icon, I mean,
Speaker 1: the only female member of the Pussy Posse. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: love that, huge, huge, you bring that.
Speaker 3: Up a lot. I love bringing that up. So whatever,
Speaker 3: Becky's here, we get it.
Speaker 2: And she's in jail and she's like, I've just been
Speaker 2: waiting for somebody to figure this out. But she's like
Speaker 2: it's like she found some really good books and religion
Speaker 2: or something in jail.
Speaker 3: She's like chill as fuck.
Speaker 2: But they say, okay, slow down, and so they have
Speaker 2: some discussions. She mentions, you know, her ten year old
Speaker 2: daughter who's out, and you know she misses, she misses
Speaker 2: her kids. She like wants to be a mother. She
Speaker 2: is actually a good mother. And this is why biases,
Speaker 2: and even if it's unchecked, biases fuck up lives so much.
Speaker 2: So anyways, the kid used to visit her daughter, Diana,
Speaker 2: but she's like, this isn't no place for a kid.
Speaker 2: I didn't want her to visit me that often. So
Speaker 2: that's like a caring mother who doesn't want like a
Speaker 2: kid to show up to jail. So Rosalind said, like,
Speaker 2: Christine must have died from the disease because she's dead
Speaker 2: and I don't know, like maybe I wasn't paying attention.
Speaker 2: And so she's not defensive. She's like open to the
Speaker 2: idea that she might have killed her kid, but she
Speaker 2: knows she didn't point and her kid. So she's like
Speaker 2: everyone was really nice to me until the test came
Speaker 2: back and then it was all about anti freeze and poisoning,
Speaker 2: and I was like, wait what, I didn't do this
Speaker 2: to my baby, and they're like they arrested me and
Speaker 2: they were taking my mugshots as my daughter died.
Speaker 3: And it was a whirlwind.
Speaker 2: So Stabler asked permission to exhume the body to find
Speaker 2: proof to get her out of jail, and she cries
Speaker 2: and thinks about her sweet baby, but she's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: go test the baby.
Speaker 3: So we got lucky.
Speaker 2: Melinda Warner is on the case and she found the
Speaker 2: goods and the baby for sure had mma and there's
Speaker 2: lots of science and what's great is I was a
Speaker 2: little distracted, like Melinda did keep talking about more science
Speaker 2: and all the proof, but there was just like a
Speaker 2: little baby covered in a restaurant napkin cloth and it
Speaker 2: was just weird thinking. I mean, I'm sure it wasn't
Speaker 2: a real baby, but I just didn't like the little
Speaker 2: the little dead baby. Okay, yeah, great prop work, I
Speaker 2: would say, a great Halloween decoration.
Speaker 3: I did not love it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so the baby, uh, the exhumed by there's
Speaker 2: some crystals in her head and it's consistent with anti
Speaker 2: freeze poisoning, but it's not. And the hospital treated the
Speaker 2: baby with an ethanol drip, which is the right thing
Speaker 2: to do for anti freeze poisoning, but it is the
Speaker 2: wrong thing to do with someone with MMA and so
Speaker 2: and made the crystals appear in the brain and that's
Speaker 2: why all this happens. So Novak is waiting outside for
Speaker 2: Marlow to come out. So Marlow's like, oh great, Casey
Speaker 2: Novak again, and Casey's like, no, it's the judge's fault.
Speaker 2: Rosalin is innocent and we need to get Judge Scarett
Speaker 2: off the fucking bench. And Marlowe calls him a what
Speaker 2: because it's.
Speaker 3: Scare It just like Judge Scarett.
Speaker 2: Marlowe calls him a son of a bitch and an
Speaker 2: embarrassment to the bench, and then she agrees to defend
Speaker 2: Rosalin in court. So Marlow's like, I gotta file emotion
Speaker 2: and Casey takes out the thickest stack of papers I've
Speaker 2: ever seen and says, I already did it for you,
Speaker 2: And it's like, okay, are you on addro It's a
Speaker 2: full QD report, Like it's so thick, and this is
Speaker 2: only not what is a four days So we're four
Speaker 2: days deep and she has a whole one hundred and
Speaker 2: forty page document.
Speaker 3: Ready, I thought the same thing.
Speaker 2: They need to do a cocaine episode so we find
Speaker 2: out how everyone is getting their work done.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I'm like, the squad has the same dealer.
Speaker 1: They all use the same guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, no, I don't think. I don't think they
Speaker 3: would partake in drugs. I don't.
Speaker 2: Maybe ice sometimes while he's like, I bet Icy snedabol
Speaker 2: while he like plays video games, but I don't see. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Craigan's sober. I don't know. Yeah, all right, what do
Speaker 2: you guys think? Let us know what drugs do you think?
Speaker 1: Let us know how much coke you guys think Stabler
Speaker 1: and Benson are doing on the regular. Let us know
Speaker 1: who he thinks doing the most amount of drugs. Marlow's
Speaker 1: outfit in court is incredible.
Speaker 2: It's black with white small stripes going down the shoulders
Speaker 2: and a gold necklace with like pearls.
Speaker 3: Spaced out in it.
Speaker 2: It's a she's rich, she's rich. So Scaret walks into
Speaker 2: the courtroom just like like he's coming to watch. He's
Speaker 2: not on the bench or anything for this case. It's
Speaker 2: actually honorable Louis. I never know how to say her name.
Speaker 1: Loy S Louise Lois Lois Lowe's press.
Speaker 3: It's like Raleigh Rally.
Speaker 2: It's like, fucking yeah, bet Air Oh, and so Honorable
Speaker 2: Judge Lewis Preston. She's the curly haired, redheaded woman and
Speaker 2: she's like Lois Lois Lois, Honorable Judge Lois Preston. She
Speaker 2: has red, curly hair, and she goes, great news, let's
Speaker 2: free this woman. And she hugs the daughter and everything's good.
Speaker 2: I mean this, this courtroom happened fast.
Speaker 3: Baby.
Speaker 2: Basically, Becky's free. She gets to hug her daughter and
Speaker 2: she gets to live her fucking life. Thank god for
Speaker 2: s V and Diane Neil. So Scaret comes to be
Speaker 2: a bitch to the women, and the women are stern
Speaker 2: and calm because they know they have all the goods
Speaker 2: and they're right, and you know, it's like Byero. So
Speaker 2: there's a sexy stare down that occurs, and then there's
Speaker 2: a cell phone ring, and that to me is never
Speaker 2: a good anytime my cell phone rings, I'm like, oh god,
Speaker 2: they just never let anyone celebrate for too long. So
Speaker 2: Novaka arrives to a crime scene and it's Alexis and
Speaker 2: she's dead and Karen, the mother was the only person home,
Speaker 2: so she basically took her child home from the hospital
Speaker 2: and killed her at home, so awful. Stabler is with
Speaker 2: her and is.
Speaker 3: Like, what did you do? Did you, miss us? You
Speaker 3: didn't have to kill her. You had the perfect out.
Speaker 2: You could have put her in a nursing home forever
Speaker 2: and never have to think about her again.
Speaker 1: Why would you decline that to take her home and
Speaker 1: murder her?
Speaker 2: Cycle paths. So Stabler is like, I'm just trying to understand.
Speaker 2: What the fuck? What the fuck? And the defense attorney
Speaker 2: is like, I'm sorry, the kid had issues in brain damage,
Speaker 2: Like the kid died on her own. You can't charge
Speaker 2: her for the same crime twice. And Benson walks in
Speaker 2: and goes, no, no, no, no, no no, it's two separate acts.
Speaker 2: And so she has the groundbreaking evidence that we need
Speaker 2: and it's basically that Alexis was suffocated, so poisoning had
Speaker 2: nothing to do with her death, so that there is
Speaker 2: no double jeopardy at play, and we can charge this
Speaker 2: bitch for murder. And I love when a defense attorney
Speaker 2: knows that they're fucked, Like, I do really enjoy that
Speaker 2: when they make a face of like, oh, okay, so
Speaker 2: we need to make a deal quick.
Speaker 3: So that's what's happening.
Speaker 2: So the murder mom, Karen is like crying but she's
Speaker 2: saying nothing, and Stabler's like, what, you have nothing to say?
Speaker 2: And she musters out that she didn't want to bring
Speaker 2: her home but her husband insisted and she wouldn't stop
Speaker 2: crying and I just wanted her to be quiet. So
Speaker 2: Stabler's like, yeah, so you killed her, and then she
Speaker 2: drops a bomb and goes, it's not my fault. The
Speaker 2: judge said I should do it. It was his idea.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to do it. So Judge Taft said
Speaker 2: Alexis was too sick and that she has other kids
Speaker 2: to think about, and we'd all be better off if
Speaker 2: Alexis just died. And he said this right before court
Speaker 2: before she testified, so obviously he's breaking tons of court rules.
Speaker 2: He told this woman to murder her child. But on
Speaker 2: top of all this, he's been a judge for decades.
Speaker 2: So and this is what I think about with race
Speaker 2: and gender and all everything clntant where it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: it is everywhere, because it's all these people that have
Speaker 2: real jobs that have real affects some people, and there's
Speaker 2: just like bad people as judges, teachers, cops, you know,
Speaker 2: working at the couch store.
Speaker 3: You know, everywhere furniture.
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's just a couch store, but
Speaker 2: general convertibles. I know there's mattress stores all right. So
Speaker 2: Craigan is like, wait, did I hear what I think
Speaker 2: I heard? That nutcase thinks the judge told her to
Speaker 2: do it, And Benson's like, maybe it's a way to
Speaker 2: get off. But Stabler's like, why are you take talking
Speaker 2: alone with a defendant anyways?
Speaker 3: Like what's going on? And we need to get to
Speaker 3: the bottom of it.
Speaker 1: So X party. I love the term ex partey. I
Speaker 1: love that term.
Speaker 3: Could we use it in regular life or is it
Speaker 3: only legal?
Speaker 1: I think it's only legal, Like we I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I like, I guess you could be like maybe next
Speaker 1: time we want to talk about Rosie, we'll just be like,
Speaker 1: let's go talk.
Speaker 3: We have an ex Partei conversation over here. I don't
Speaker 3: need for hearing the.
Speaker 2: We'll go in a breakout room without Hannah and be
Speaker 2: like ex Parte.
Speaker 3: On zoom.
Speaker 2: So Novacs like we got to get the bastard and
Speaker 2: right on time.
Speaker 3: An SBU magic.
Speaker 2: You know, Oliver comes out, Oliver taft mister Scarrett and
Speaker 2: he goes listen.
Speaker 3: I had no knowledge of this.
Speaker 2: If I knew that she had any intention of killing anybody,
Speaker 2: as an officer of the court, I would obviously say something.
Speaker 2: I was just trying to comfort this crying, hysterical woman,
Speaker 2: and I just told her, like, hey, maybe you should
Speaker 2: see a shrink. And that's like ding ding ding ding
Speaker 2: ding ning ning novacs like, excuse me.
Speaker 1: You told her to get psychiatric help, book her and
Speaker 1: go get taffed on criminal facilitation too.
Speaker 2: He told her to get help, which means he knew
Speaker 2: the poisoning was no accident and she could try it
Speaker 2: again with one of the other kids. And so wow,
Speaker 2: acquitting her gave her the means to do it. So
Speaker 2: him letting her go home gave her the opportunity to
Speaker 2: kill a child. And he knew she was unwell and
Speaker 2: that is why he offered. And he suggested that she
Speaker 2: should go to a shrink. So now another favorite SVU trope.
Speaker 2: They're at a fancy party and they're gonna arrest the
Speaker 2: judge at a black type party in.
Speaker 3: His own home, in his home.
Speaker 2: So Stabler grabs an appetizer and it's a Philo dough
Speaker 2: looking stuffed thing that looks delicious.
Speaker 3: I love you know, I love God.
Speaker 1: Is that gonna be a round post COVID or we
Speaker 1: gonna be able to snack on trays or what? I know?
Speaker 3: They're better be cannapas after COVID. I need them.
Speaker 2: So, you know, he's at the party and he's like, listen,
Speaker 2: get out of my house. And Stabler goes, honey, Alexis
Speaker 2: is dead and you knew Karen was a danger and
Speaker 2: you let her go. And the judge says, this is absurd,
Speaker 2: and Stabler says, you know, we can't arrest you in
Speaker 2: your own home, so why don't you just go outside
Speaker 2: and not make a scene. And he does know the loss,
Speaker 2: so he leaves and Stabler goes, you're gonna look real
Speaker 2: pretty for your mugshots, sweetie, because he's in a suit.
Speaker 1: Wait, why can't they arrest him in his own home?
Speaker 1: You know that's a rule that you have to step out, yeah,
Speaker 1: or if you have like a paid yeah, you have
Speaker 1: to be outside to be arrested. That's what I remember
Speaker 1: in the episode Damaged. You know they trick him out, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I think I thought they had a warrant.
Speaker 2: Well, or unless they invite you in, but no one
Speaker 2: invited Stabler in. But you're right, why wouldn't they have
Speaker 2: a warrant they he did do it wrongdoing.
Speaker 1: I think they just just the threat of making the
Speaker 1: scene they knew would be enough to get him to
Speaker 1: come with them.
Speaker 2: So now we're in court and it's Taft versus Novak
Speaker 2: pay per view fight. So the judge on the bench
Speaker 2: is like kind of a he's on top side, and
Speaker 2: he goes, you're making a mockery of the court, and
Speaker 2: I'm throwing this out, and Taft looks really satisfied. So
Speaker 2: charges are dismissed and the judge scolds Casey and puts
Speaker 2: her in her place. So she lost this battle, but
Speaker 2: not the overall journey.
Speaker 3: What is the thing? The war? The war? Yeah, so
Speaker 3: we're gonna keep going.
Speaker 2: So charge is dismissed and the judge is like pissed
Speaker 2: Casey for like, you know, going against the courts rules.
Speaker 2: But Marlo Thomas comes in with some good news and says, hey, girl,
Speaker 2: at least now we have a great witness for Karen's
Speaker 2: murder trial.
Speaker 3: So we'll get justice at the trial.
Speaker 2: So going head to head with the judge didn't work,
Speaker 2: but now they can use him as a witness and
Speaker 2: hopefully manipulate the situation to uncover all the truths at
Speaker 2: Karen's murder trial. Of her trild that she's strangled to
Speaker 2: death JK suffocated with a pillow.
Speaker 3: Same difference.
Speaker 2: Okay, So we cut to Novak and she's questioning Taft,
Speaker 2: who's on the stand for Karen's murder trial, and Taft
Speaker 2: is going down. He admits to having this combo. He says, sorry,
Speaker 2: I let my empathy rule over my intellect. We were
Speaker 2: on an elevator, she was crying and upset at her
Speaker 2: daughter's condition, and I ruled she was innocent because you
Speaker 2: didn't provide the right amount of evidence to my liking lady,
Speaker 2: and your skirt wasn't cue JK. He did not say that.
Speaker 2: And so Stabler's in the crowd and he's watching this
Speaker 2: all go down. He's eating popcorn. He's in it, and
Speaker 2: it's like, hold up, did you ever think that maybe
Speaker 2: Karen was responsible for the crime and the daughter's condition?
Speaker 2: And he's like that's irrelevant. She's like, no, it's not.
Speaker 2: We have to know your frame of mind when talking
Speaker 2: to this crying woman. And the judge on the bench
Speaker 2: allows this question, which makes Taft upset, and Casey's like,
Speaker 2: you felt sorry for her before the trial was done,
Speaker 2: so you had opinions about her before all the evidence
Speaker 2: was out. Just admit it, dude, you've gotten got like
Speaker 2: you're done. Yeah, And finally he's like, it was a mistake.
Speaker 2: It's so good. Is that what you want me to say?
Speaker 2: That was a mistake And it's like, yes, that's what
Speaker 2: we've been wanting. We've honestly, we didn't have to go
Speaker 2: to court if you just admitted you were wrong, and
Speaker 2: he goes, what one mistake? I've been on the bench
Speaker 2: for three decades and she goes, one mistake?
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? What about your girl? Rosalind?
Speaker 2: And Casey is hammering him hard and Taft to standing
Speaker 2: up and trying to object or stop it, but it's like,
Speaker 2: you have no standing here. You're in a little box
Speaker 2: in your witness answer the questions. He's losing it and
Speaker 2: it's like, why talk to her? Why talk to a
Speaker 2: woman who murdered her baby? And he says, I didn't know,
Speaker 2: and she goes didn't know what and he yells, I
Speaker 2: thought they were good people, and the gavel hits and
Speaker 2: they stare each other down and it's incredible. Give this
Speaker 2: man an Emmy and he makes a face that is
Speaker 2: like the whole world is crashing down around him and
Speaker 2: he knows it, and he knows he deserves it. And
Speaker 2: they find the defendant guilty. Go to jail, you child, murderer.
Speaker 2: And Scaret stands up really slowly from the audience section,
Speaker 2: so so slowly, and he's hounded by press and the
Speaker 2: press is chasing him down, and we find out he's
Speaker 2: been demoted down to civil court, not fire just but
Speaker 2: demoted down to civil court. And Stabler and Novak stand
Speaker 2: very smug as Scaret walks briskly through the paparazzi.
Speaker 4: Oo.
Speaker 3: You love to see it.
Speaker 1: You just love to see an old white man get
Speaker 1: his fucking ask.
Speaker 3: It's so satisfying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like cosplay, porn erotica.
Speaker 3: It's like perfect television.
Speaker 1: Because you think it's over when that other judge is like,
Speaker 1: this is a mockery. You're free to go scare it
Speaker 1: like you know, you'd think it's over and it ain't over.
Speaker 2: And now I'm scared, Like, is the true crime baby killing?
Speaker 3: Is a judge killing?
Speaker 6: Is it?
Speaker 3: All of it is?
Speaker 1: You know? Like yeah, ah, well, as soon as we
Speaker 1: sell you a couple things, you're gonna find out. Okay,
Speaker 1: this case is foot Well, first of all, I want
Speaker 1: to say, I'm surprised you didn't touch on it, Lisa,
Speaker 1: but Novak's hair is wild in this episode. It's like
Speaker 1: red with blonde highlights. Like it's so there's like patchy
Speaker 1: blonde highlights in the red. It's really crazy. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if you noticed, but I didn't.
Speaker 2: I was too distracted by her fierceness.
Speaker 1: But it was in one scene outside maybe it was
Speaker 1: the natural light which was talking to the lawyer from
Speaker 1: the Rosalind case. I was like, what's going on with
Speaker 1: this hair here, girl? But they were obviously in between
Speaker 1: transition her over to full blonde, which comes later. But
Speaker 1: this case that this episode is based on is truly
Speaker 1: wild and it's a lot of similarities. So let me
Speaker 1: just get right into it. Basically, this is about Patricia
Speaker 1: Patti Stallings, who in nineteen eighty six was working at
Speaker 1: a seven to eleven in Saint Louis, Missouri, when she
Speaker 1: met David Stallings, a plate engraver. They got married in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight, and in nineteen eighty nine they had
Speaker 1: a son named Ryan. Now Ryan, he wasn't very well.
Speaker 1: He couldn't hold down formula, and what I read was
Speaker 1: that he soon began vomiting once a week.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, once a week.
Speaker 1: My child was vomiting once a day, if not twice,
Speaker 1: and I was not taking him to a doctor. I
Speaker 1: was just told that that was normal. So anyway, I
Speaker 1: was getting turbo barfed on every day. So I don't
Speaker 1: know what this once a week shit is, but basically
Speaker 1: they said, we kind of got used to it. He
Speaker 1: looked very normal. So then on July seventh, when Ryan
Speaker 1: was three months old. This is July seventh of nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty nine. Ryan is three months old. Patty finds him
Speaker 1: in his crib, staring at the ceiling, heavy breathing. His
Speaker 1: lips are shut tight, it says, so he's something's up.
Speaker 3: He's struggling.
Speaker 1: So she brings him panicked to Cardinal Glennon Children's Hospital,
Speaker 1: where he's put on a respirator for three days. Patty
Speaker 1: and David are like waiting and the doctors are trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what's going on, and then a lot
Speaker 1: of like what happened in Rosalind's case, because really this
Speaker 1: case is based on what happened to Roslin. After the
Speaker 1: three days, the detectives start questioning them like, well, what's
Speaker 1: up with you guys, and asking them a bunch of
Speaker 1: pointed questions, and that's when they realize that they're suspects
Speaker 1: in this crime. Because doctors had found ethylene glycol, which
Speaker 1: is an active ingredient in antifreeze, the same thing they
Speaker 1: found in Rosalin's baby Christine. They had found that in
Speaker 1: Ryan's blood, and the police were sure that the Stallings
Speaker 1: had poisoned Ryan with antifreeze, so they questioned them super aggressively.
Speaker 1: They even tried to turn them against each other, like
Speaker 1: they told David that Patty had failed her lie detector test,
Speaker 1: which was not true, to make him try to doubt
Speaker 1: his wife, like what like he said, He even for
Speaker 1: a second was like, wait a minute, she did, and
Speaker 1: then he was like, never mind, this is she did
Speaker 1: not hurt our child.
Speaker 3: But also everyone should know lie detector tests.
Speaker 1: Are not reliable by now, But I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: in the eighties people thought they were more real anyway.
Speaker 1: After twelve days in the hospital, the Missouri Division of
Speaker 1: Family Services took custody of Ryan and placed him in
Speaker 1: a foster home. So now David and Patty can only
Speaker 1: see their son Ryan for one hour a week while
Speaker 1: supervised by a social worker, and they're not allowed to
Speaker 1: bring him anything to eat, nothing edible. So this goes
Speaker 1: on for all of July and August, and then during
Speaker 1: a visit on August thirty first, my Birthdatty was oh,
Speaker 1: happy birthday, Lisa, August thirty first of eighty nine, So
Speaker 1: you were just a tiny bibit. And they briefly leave
Speaker 1: Ryan alone with Patty, and she does give him a
Speaker 1: bottle of formula that was prepared by the foster mother,
Speaker 1: and with others present, she fed him the bottle like
Speaker 1: I guess, it's written both places that she was briefly
Speaker 1: left alone, but then all people were there when she
Speaker 1: gave him the bottle. Four days later, Ryan was again
Speaker 1: hospitalized in critical condition at Cardinal Glennon and they thought
Speaker 1: that she poisoned him during this tiny supervised visit, and
Speaker 1: so she was arrested and jailed on a charge of assault,
Speaker 1: leaving David alone to keep the vigil at Ryan's bedside.
Speaker 1: On September seventh, a week later, after being baptized and
Speaker 1: given his last rites, Ryan died in his father's arms
Speaker 1: while his mother was in jail, and Patty was then
Speaker 1: charged with first degree murder.
Speaker 3: Crazy the timing with his bottle is fucked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So while she was waiting for her trial
Speaker 1: for three months, she found out that she was pregnant again,
Speaker 1: much like Rosalind Silvo. She was pregnant when she went
Speaker 1: into jail, so now she finds out she's, you know,
Speaker 1: three or four months pregnant. Her son, DJ was born
Speaker 1: in February of nineteen ninety, a month premature, and was
Speaker 1: immediately put into a foster home, and within two weeks
Speaker 1: it was discovered that DJ had been rushed to the
Speaker 1: hospital with you guessed it, vomiting, heavy breathing, etc. And
Speaker 1: he was diagnosed with methyl malonic acidemia MMA, which is
Speaker 1: a rare genetic disorder in which the body does not
Speaker 1: break down proteins properly. The Stallings thought Ryan must have
Speaker 1: had the same disease, and so did their attorney, Eric Rathbone.
Speaker 1: But during her three day trial, which happened in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety one, after they already know that DJ has this mma.
Speaker 1: The similarity between Ryan and DJ's illnesses were never introduced
Speaker 1: into court because Rathbone failed to secure an expert medical
Speaker 1: witness what I don't know why. Later it was ruled
Speaker 1: that she received inadequate counsel, So I guess that was
Speaker 1: a later thing that happened. At the time, it was
Speaker 1: like that was never introduced. The prosecutor was this guy
Speaker 1: named George McElroy. He had police and social workers all
Speaker 1: testified that Patty didn't show emotion when she found out
Speaker 1: Ryan was dead, which is a thing they always use
Speaker 1: against women. You know how, I went to college with
Speaker 1: this girl whose husband disappeared on their honeymoon and cruise
Speaker 1: he was killed. I did this as my hometown murder
Speaker 1: on my favorite murder like episode, like fifteen or something. Literally,
Speaker 1: this girl got dragged through the mud because she wasn't
Speaker 1: running around rigging her hands and crying to the sky,
Speaker 1: like I think. People deal with trauma in different ways,
Speaker 1: and you don't have to like be having in a
Speaker 1: full breakdown mode to be innocent of a crime, and
Speaker 1: like that, women get that a lot, not being not
Speaker 1: being the perfect victim not acting the correct way.
Speaker 2: And we learned this with the Colleens standcase, where it's like,
Speaker 2: if you're too hysterical.
Speaker 3: With the police, they might not believe you.
Speaker 2: But then if you're too composed, you're not emotional enough
Speaker 2: and they don't believe you.
Speaker 3: So it's like there's no winning. Yeah, So it's like God.
Speaker 1: So anyway, poor Patty gets testified against by police and
Speaker 1: social workers that she wasn't, you know, sad enough when
Speaker 1: she found out her son had died, probably because she.
Speaker 3: Was like, what the fuck is happening? I didn't do anything.
Speaker 1: Investigators produced one bottle of anti freeze from the stallin
Speaker 1: home as evidence, whereas I feel like every home in
Speaker 1: America has a bottle of into fries in it, so
Speaker 1: that that doesn't seem like evidence to me. But McElroy
Speaker 1: said nothing could explain the ethylene gly call found in Ryan.
Speaker 1: It took the jury only ten hours to find Patty
Speaker 1: guilty of first jgree murder and she was sentenced to
Speaker 1: life without parole.
Speaker 3: So then.
Speaker 1: The chairman of biochemistry at Saint Louis University, his name
Speaker 1: is William sly cool name, sees this case on unsolved
Speaker 1: motherfucking mysteries. That is how he finds out about this,
Speaker 1: and he sees it and goes, this kid had MMA.
Speaker 1: Probably he suspected Ryan might have had MMA, just like
Speaker 1: his brother, and he contacts James Shoemaker, who is the
Speaker 1: director of the same university's metabolic screening lab. After testing
Speaker 1: frozen samples of Ryan's blood serum, Shoemaker found evidence that
Speaker 1: Ryan did have MMA, and original lab reports finding lethal
Speaker 1: concentrations of ethylene gly call in Ryan's blood were incorrect
Speaker 1: and based on faulty data. So they told their findings
Speaker 1: to McElroy, who asked them to find an expert in MMA.
Speaker 1: So they go and they find doctor Piero Ronaldo, an
Speaker 1: assistant professor of genetics at Yale, who studied this case
Speaker 1: for six weeks and his own tests discovered that Ryan
Speaker 1: died of MMA and that the scientific findings used to
Speaker 1: convict Patty were grossly inaccurate. Ronaldo said, technically speaking, I've
Speaker 1: never seen such lousy work. It was a classic case
Speaker 1: of misdiagnosis. So after doctor Rinaldo gave McElroy a determination,
Speaker 1: McElroy in a move which is actually wild, I feel
Speaker 1: like evil prosecutors are all over the place. He actually
Speaker 1: asked the county Circuit judge to dismiss the murder charge.
Speaker 1: So after serving fourteen months in prison, Patty is released,
Speaker 1: which in the show it's ten years, so thankfully in
Speaker 1: real life it was only fourteen months. But Patty was
Speaker 1: released in July of nineteen ninety one pending a new trial,
Speaker 1: and two months later in September, they completely dropped the
Speaker 1: case against her and apologize, they said, quote McElroy said,
Speaker 1: we can't undo the suffering the Stallings have endured during
Speaker 1: this ordeal, and I apologize. I hope their lives will
Speaker 1: be happier and fuller in the future.
Speaker 3: Fucked up.
Speaker 1: Stallings said that she lost a lot of weight due
Speaker 1: to the stress of being imprisoned, but that her Buddhist
Speaker 1: faith helped her to keep strong during that time. She
Speaker 1: sued the hospital and laboratories that were involved in Ryan's
Speaker 1: care and reached an out of court settlement which I
Speaker 1: read with several million dollars and extremely graceful. Much like
Speaker 1: you were pointing out about Becky in the episode, like
Speaker 1: she was very chill. She wasn't like super pissed or anything.
Speaker 1: This woman said, I have never really been angry, I
Speaker 1: am more damaged. So the Stallings were reunited with DJ,
Speaker 1: and given his MMA, colds and flus could be really
Speaker 1: life threatening to DJ. So they had to really carefully
Speaker 1: like live with DJ. And they said, we're moving cautiously forward.
Speaker 1: We don't want to make plans. Life is too short,
Speaker 1: and Patty later said, I thought this was interesting. Patty
Speaker 1: later said that she thought her case might have been
Speaker 1: influenced by the case of Paula Simms, who was a
Speaker 1: woman convicted in the same time period, like in these
Speaker 1: exact same years of killing her infant daughters in Illinois.
Speaker 3: And this woman.
Speaker 1: Paula had killed like I believe her first baby was
Speaker 1: like eighteen months and then the other one was only
Speaker 1: six weeks and she killed them both separately. She later
Speaker 1: said she had like postpartum psychosis and that the husband
Speaker 1: didn't want these babies and that's why she killed them,
Speaker 1: and so it was like really fucked up. But she's
Speaker 1: in jail for life anyway. Their live, the lives of
Speaker 1: the Stallings do not go well. Unsurprisingly, trauma, as we've
Speaker 1: talked about many times, informs every moment of people's lives. Sadly, DJ,
Speaker 1: the brother died in twenty thirteen, at the age of
Speaker 1: twenty three. I literally scoured everywhere and I could not
Speaker 1: find out where how he died. But he did die
Speaker 1: at age twenty t Patty and David got divorced, and
Speaker 1: then David died. After remarrying and having more children with
Speaker 1: subsequent wives, he died in twenty nineteen after a long illness.
Speaker 1: I could not find a single thing about what Patricia
Speaker 1: is up to these days, like there is nothing recent
Speaker 1: about how she is. But I was on the Unsolved
Speaker 1: Mysteries website and there was a full article about this,
Speaker 1: and then in the comments below there was like a
Speaker 1: lot of conversation happening in the comments. Someone on the
Speaker 1: forum claiming to be Mara Stallings, who is one of
Speaker 1: David's daughters from a previous a subsequent marriage, was responding
Speaker 1: to comments on this again that this is unverified, but
Speaker 1: she was speaking as if she was the daughter of
Speaker 1: David Stallings, And someone responded semon asked like, oh, like,
Speaker 1: is it true DJ died and she said yes, he
Speaker 1: was my brother and I was eight years old and
Speaker 1: my dad died last year. None of us have heard
Speaker 1: from her in probably over twenty years, meaning Patty. So
Speaker 1: I think what happened was she left DJ with her
Speaker 1: ex husband and she just fully disappeared. So like, no
Speaker 1: one knows what's up with Patricia Stallings. I did like
Speaker 1: a pretty thorough search. I found obituaries for women that
Speaker 1: are not her named Patty Stallings, and it's just like
Speaker 1: I think maybe she was just too traumatized by what
Speaker 1: happened and like couldn't be but DJ grew up with
Speaker 1: his father and step siblings until he passed. Wow, And
Speaker 1: I have no idea what's up with Patricia or Patty Stallings,
Speaker 1: but I hope she's doing Okay, Yeah, and that's the story.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, Well you're welcome. It sucks, and what's
Speaker 3: this disease?
Speaker 1: And god, well, it's like you said, like nowadays there's
Speaker 1: technology that this doesn't happen anymore.
Speaker 3: Now the testing is more decisive, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I hope this won't happen again to some
Speaker 1: poor mom who's just like as a kid with a
Speaker 1: rare disorder.
Speaker 2: Anyway, thank you for doing that. I can't wait for
Speaker 2: our guests. Guys are gonna be excited.
Speaker 3: I know it's too much.
Speaker 1: I am so very personally obsessed with today's guests, because
Speaker 1: I have just seen him in so many things. I've
Speaker 1: been obsessed with him when he was in a show
Speaker 1: called Picket Fences. Also, he's Shelby's father, and Steele Magnolius
Speaker 1: one of my favorite movies of all time. He's been
Speaker 1: in more than forty movies and over two hundred television shows.
Speaker 1: You guys, he is just so prolific and such a
Speaker 1: wise man, and we were so lucky to talk to him.
Speaker 1: Please check out our conversation with Judge Oliver Taft aka
Speaker 1: Tom Scarett. So you live in the Pacific Northwest or
Speaker 1: Seattle area or we wanted to ask you what made
Speaker 1: you did You used to live in la and just
Speaker 1: decided that wasn't for you, Or New York and decided
Speaker 1: that you wanted to be sort of a New York.
Speaker 5: I could have handled.
Speaker 7: I went to use cla and wanted to be a
Speaker 7: writer and wound up acting only because I want to
Speaker 7: know what it felt like to act. That's because you've
Speaker 7: got to feel the stuff out. You can't explain it.
Speaker 7: You can't learn it any other way other than sticking
Speaker 7: your foot into a pile of mud to know what
Speaker 7: it is and some aspects of Los Angeles were not
Speaker 7: made me comfortable. So I had to get up here
Speaker 7: because everywhere I look is just a creative input. And
Speaker 7: they live in that kind of a place where you
Speaker 7: have trees and water and eagles flying around and be
Speaker 7: able to look at someone's dock and they've got an
Speaker 7: otter has climbed up there, and you know, all this
Speaker 7: variety of stuff that feeds the imagination in a way
Speaker 7: that creatives need to have a frame of reference. And
Speaker 7: there's a larger frame of reference here than there is
Speaker 7: in Seattle and Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll start with the SBU episode, one of our
Speaker 2: top favorites. You play one of the biggest villains I
Speaker 2: would say in SBU history.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, he boils our blow.
Speaker 2: I mean he told you know, Casey to wear a
Speaker 2: skirt that really bothered us. But did you draw from
Speaker 2: any real life inspiration? How did you come up with
Speaker 2: this guy?
Speaker 7: You know, your whole life informs you, and I don't
Speaker 7: think you free determined when you're being hired to play
Speaker 7: an actor, play a character that you really know how
Speaker 7: you're going to do it, And I don't analyze this stuff.
Speaker 7: And the minute you start thinking about how you're going
Speaker 7: to do it. You're in trouble. You have to wear
Speaker 7: a suit that just sort of fits from all the
Speaker 7: other scum. And if it's playing a bad guy, that
Speaker 7: you have personalities that you really found annoying, that you
Speaker 7: did not want to be around is sort of what
Speaker 7: you find in some way in the language that you're reading,
Speaker 7: the dialogue that you're given, and you don't paint an image.
Speaker 7: You just do what you do, which seems to be
Speaker 7: a reflection and some other character that you spent some
Speaker 7: time with and you did not want to be with them.
Speaker 1: So we'll say, yes, there's a specific person in mind.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no short answers from this guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: We talked to some actors and they were saying that
Speaker 2: you have to be empathetic to your character to be
Speaker 2: able to play him or her and be able to
Speaker 2: truly understand them. Or can you hate your character and
Speaker 2: still play them, or do you really have to understand them?
Speaker 5: I know about all that stuff.
Speaker 7: All I know is that you just the minute you
Speaker 7: have to analyze that, the minutes you start thinking you
Speaker 7: got a problem.
Speaker 5: So how I got there? I don't know. Okay, the mirror.
Speaker 7: Of bad behavior that I've seen in other people, and
Speaker 7: politicians in particular. You just know, this is just extraordinary
Speaker 7: for this person to say that I'm behaving that way,
Speaker 7: and I know what they really are like and what
Speaker 7: the ill use of important positions such as a judge
Speaker 7: or politician is usually for men, if I may say
Speaker 7: this for the ladies, we're driven by ego, and you
Speaker 7: guys know about community, and this is with that character.
Speaker 5: I know the.
Speaker 7: Ego of men, and I have grown out of that
Speaker 7: a long time ago and find that it's more interesting
Speaker 7: to listen to what other people have to say about anything.
Speaker 7: You know, I'm in fact, that's right, I see right now,
Speaker 7: and I'd rather hear you guys talk.
Speaker 2: I was wondering if you've always been so chill and
Speaker 2: always been able to enjoy the process and your career,
Speaker 2: or is that come with experience.
Speaker 5: I think that comes.
Speaker 7: With experience, and you probably know that. I'm a lucky man.
Speaker 7: I mentored with guys were not famous, and they were
Speaker 7: all filmmakers. Robert Allman, hal Ashby, Ridley Scott herb Ross.
Speaker 7: I did two films with him, once Steve Magnoia's and
Speaker 7: The Ballet Turning Point, which was a great ballet movie.
Speaker 5: Both of them.
Speaker 7: Had you know, acknowledgements with Academy Awards and all that.
Speaker 7: You know, these are good filmmakers and these are just guys.
Speaker 7: I got to know who i'd listened to and are
Speaker 7: talking to an ad or an actor or whatever you
Speaker 7: learn from listening and see the patterns that the actors
Speaker 7: may fail at or exceed.
Speaker 2: No, and the scenes with you and Diane Neal, who
Speaker 2: plays Casey Novak were so good. You guys had such
Speaker 2: awesome icy interactions. Was that Do you remember working with
Speaker 2: her that day or any memories we.
Speaker 5: Honestly, I have done so much.
Speaker 7: Yes, I remember the people, but it I don't necessarily
Speaker 7: remember the interplay. The interplay is like you know, warning
Speaker 7: of fire, and you got the fire going, the fire
Speaker 7: prints outation you know at an end. So it's a
Speaker 7: fire in what you're doing. And the creative process does
Speaker 7: not linger in a conscious way. It may be something
Speaker 7: you've drawn subconsciously when you need it as an artist,
Speaker 7: whatever the media may be. Because I paint under other
Speaker 7: things creatively. So I can't keep all that in my
Speaker 7: head of specific memories of other than laughing a lot
Speaker 7: when I mean mash the movie a long time ago,
Speaker 7: and I've never had fun in my life in a
Speaker 7: whole production of a film, But I remember playing this
Speaker 7: icy carry to this not somebody I particularly want to
Speaker 7: be friends with, who would not want to be friends
Speaker 7: with me either, this judge.
Speaker 5: It's just oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you had to be pretty harsh with a little
Speaker 3: girl too.
Speaker 1: You had I don't know if you remember your interplay,
Speaker 1: but you had a little with the little girl you were.
Speaker 7: Because I'm I always kind of have to qualify. I
Speaker 7: don't want to scare them. Uh, it's just saying, honey,
Speaker 7: how you doing? And I'm I'm gonna be Can I
Speaker 7: pretend to be a mean guy?
Speaker 5: Do you?
Speaker 7: And they just look at me like what am I
Speaker 7: talking about? But if I go boo? Is that scary you? No,
Speaker 7: that's it's all afraid pretend and they kind of get
Speaker 7: it as much as they possibly can.
Speaker 1: And you've done so many roles and played so many
Speaker 1: different kinds of characters. But if you were to come
Speaker 1: back to SVU, let's just imagine they're bringing you back,
Speaker 1: what kind of part would you love to play?
Speaker 5: Oh? When it doesn't offend me?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: And it's just amazing to see someone be able to
Speaker 2: do something that they love and do it so well
Speaker 2: for as long as you have and your newest in
Speaker 2: East of the Mountains getting a lot of positive attention.
Speaker 1: Was that an enjoyable experience? We can't wait to watch it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, if you haven't seen, it's a very engaging film.
Speaker 7: It's very simple way forward.
Speaker 3: We can't wait.
Speaker 1: So what what's your Do you have anything of acting
Speaker 1: wise that's like coming up for you? Like now East
Speaker 1: of the Mountains is out, or is there something you're
Speaker 1: working on coming up?
Speaker 7: Or well I did something recently over there with a
Speaker 7: friend who runs a company called North by the Northwest.
Speaker 7: It's over in Spokane, and and Sony came in and
Speaker 7: asked him with this company to do a series sixth
Speaker 7: series thing on their streaming channel. So a lot of
Speaker 7: what we're talking about is a new industry, which is streaming.
Speaker 7: Our inexpensive film. So all these big wastes that have
Speaker 7: been going out over a period of years and ninety
Speaker 7: two budget films and so on and so forth, are
Speaker 7: they're not going to exist.
Speaker 5: And hears to come.
Speaker 7: They have to bring everything down quite a bit, so budgets,
Speaker 7: everything has to come back to reality.
Speaker 5: So this guy and I have put it together.
Speaker 7: Different communities in Idaho too, Boise a little places are
Speaker 7: doing low budget stuff to put on streaming channels. So
Speaker 7: we're building a company to do that, to do interesting
Speaker 7: stuff that's cool. Yeah, guys like David Goodison a road
Speaker 7: snow falling on cedars and East of the Mountains is
Speaker 7: a friend.
Speaker 5: We did this thing because.
Speaker 7: Six years ago it was we were already having coffee
Speaker 7: or whatever it was, and he said, Jesus, if I
Speaker 7: ever do East.
Speaker 5: Of the Months, I like you to play this guy.
Speaker 5: And I said, I'd be wonderful.
Speaker 7: But we have to do it up here, and we
Speaker 7: have to utilize it as impossible as an example of
Speaker 7: what we can do here in this community.
Speaker 1: Actually, our producer Hannah, who you met at the beginning,
Speaker 1: that that's her uncle who wrote East of the Mountains.
Speaker 3: Yeah, David's my uncle.
Speaker 6: My mom is Mary Gudersen, and David is I grew
Speaker 6: up on Bambridge Island with them.
Speaker 7: Oh, yeah, wonderful. I hope you get over there and
Speaker 7: see them. I haven't seen them since Covid.
Speaker 6: Well I saw. I watched East of the Mountains this week.
Speaker 6: It was phenomenal. You were unbelievable. And if you go
Speaker 6: to page eighty two of the book I Am on It,
Speaker 6: it says Hannah Crichton, I made him put me in
Speaker 6: a book. So we're both in East of the Mountains.
Speaker 6: Just so you know, it was great. You were unbelievable, truly.
Speaker 5: Good for us, Yeah, good for us.
Speaker 7: Well, that's a nice, nice experience and just getting your
Speaker 7: head down and who you are in that film, being
Speaker 7: who you are, being that who that is.
Speaker 3: That was cool. Wow. I want to be with it,
Speaker 3: you know what.
Speaker 2: We've had back to back guests that are like in
Speaker 2: their eighties and crushing it at life and working and
Speaker 2: it's really it's beautiful and impressive to see, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when you follow your passion, it keeps you young, keeps
Speaker 2: you thriving, keeps.
Speaker 1: You wanting wistom of age. You don't need to be
Speaker 1: where you don't want to be. You gotta go.
Speaker 3: Where you feel like the creedive juices are flowing. It's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What's the post mortem on this episode? What did
Speaker 1: we learn that judges or assholes too?
Speaker 2: That judges should not be lifetime appointments, They should not
Speaker 2: be appointed by the president. We should be voting them
Speaker 2: all in what the fuck is going on? These people
Speaker 2: are not immune to shit, and we need to do
Speaker 2: a deep dive into the country's judges. And I don't
Speaker 2: know how to it's I don't but like it needs
Speaker 2: to be a full blown audit. I know, for last
Speaker 2: time when I was voting, I like went through all
Speaker 2: the judges and there was horrific, insane stuff going on
Speaker 2: with them, and it's like, yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 3: You have to be so.
Speaker 2: Vigilant and on top of it, it's like a full
Speaker 2: time job to change the world, and that's how they
Speaker 2: keep us so fucking busy, like and so self focused
Speaker 2: that we're not doing this stuff. But it is just scary,
Speaker 2: and to think about all the kids and people that
Speaker 2: are in jail unfairly, it's scary. I guess my takeaway
Speaker 2: is like, it's fucking scary if you're not a rich white.
Speaker 3: Person in this country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, judges have too much power and uh also apparently
Speaker 1: a lot of them have affinities for white moms that
Speaker 1: will still kill their kids. Although I will say in
Speaker 1: the real case, it was nice to see that there
Speaker 1: was like a prosecutor that did the right thing and
Speaker 1: was like we got to dismiss this.
Speaker 3: We fucked up, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if that guy didn't watch Unsolved Mysteries, she would.
Speaker 3: Still be riting in jail.
Speaker 1: And thank god that Unsolved Mysteries. Thank god the media
Speaker 1: kind of has a little bit of power sometimes where
Speaker 1: it can get the word out to people. And that
Speaker 1: her story was discovered by these experts, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and then also like conclude, think, god, you know,
Speaker 2: think I'm thankful for science and that there's research in
Speaker 2: and so now hopefully people are not being falsely convicted
Speaker 2: for poisoning their children when they're not being poisoned. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and maybe we can cure this weird pro teen disease.
Speaker 2: I don't know, So that's pretty sad. Also I'm learning
Speaker 2: that maybe DA's are fully hopped up on coke and
Speaker 2: speed and writing reports at all times.
Speaker 3: Like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just I mean, we do a lot of research,
Speaker 1: so I am typing a lot, but like having to,
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine the amount of documents.
Speaker 2: I guess I learned how many documents lawyers work with. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's more than I thought. It's not great.
Speaker 3: A lot of emotions, A lot.
Speaker 1: Of emotions, A lot of thick paperwork files that look
Speaker 1: like the QD report.
Speaker 3: And also I didn't know that you can wave a jury.
Speaker 3: I didn't know either. Kyle Rittenhouse should have done that.
Speaker 3: You can just be like I put it in the
Speaker 3: judge's hands. I didn't know you could do that.
Speaker 2: I wonder, like why people would choose to do that.
Speaker 1: I think that you might do that maybe in a
Speaker 1: case that was really publicized where you feel like everybody's
Speaker 1: biased against you, and like maybe the judge will like
Speaker 1: really consider the facts of the case.
Speaker 3: Well, this is another thing with the judges.
Speaker 2: It's like you assume these judges are always lean conservative,
Speaker 2: Like who wants to be a judge?
Speaker 3: Not a cool person? Right?
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like do cool ass bros that have
Speaker 2: some like beers on a boat on the weekend, Like,
Speaker 2: do they want to be judges?
Speaker 1: You're literally describing Judge Kavanaugh like talking about having beers
Speaker 1: with his homies and his.
Speaker 3: Fucking Supreme Court coming. Oh my god. Lol.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's a he's a rapist to me before
Speaker 1: he's a judge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. That's his headline.
Speaker 1: And I think we learned as usual, do not fuck
Speaker 1: with Casey novak, she will, yes fucking come for you,
Speaker 1: even if you're a judge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, damn, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's just like bleak, dude, I'm not And it's winter,
Speaker 2: you know, It's like it's winter blues. It's winter blues.
Speaker 2: It's the Yeah, I don't know. Why don't we split
Speaker 2: up the holidays. It's kind of annoying. They're all squished together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, squished together, and then like January February March is
Speaker 1: like a just a long slog of nothing to look
Speaker 1: forward to, like Saint Patrick's Day.
Speaker 3: I love Valentine's Day, though, I mean, okay, I do.
Speaker 1: I like conversation hearts, Yeah, I like the candy, I
Speaker 1: like the color scheme.
Speaker 3: I love hearts. I mean I have so many hearts
Speaker 3: tattooed on me.
Speaker 2: It's like a true it is a thing I enjoy aesthetically.
Speaker 2: I've only Yeah, whatever, let's get going. What are we
Speaker 2: doing next week?
Speaker 3: Let's get going. This week's what would Sister peg Do?
Speaker 1: Is our weekly segment where we direct you, guys towards organizations, articles, books,
Speaker 1: some kind of resource that will help you better understand
Speaker 1: what we touched on today. In light of the case
Speaker 1: of Patty Patricia Stallings that we talked about today. We
Speaker 1: would like to highlight this week the Innocence Project, which
Speaker 1: is www dot Innocenceproject dot org. They try to bring
Speaker 1: reform to the system that is responsible for unjust imprisonment,
Speaker 1: and we all know that that's very important, especially now
Speaker 1: with hundreds of thousands of people probably in jail for
Speaker 1: wrong reasons. On their website there are ways to get involved,
Speaker 1: like donating, starting fundraisers, signing petitions, inviting xoneries to speak.
Speaker 1: What an inspiring idea to come to your next like
Speaker 1: zoom Christmas party or something. Have somebody that's been exonerated
Speaker 1: come speak. And you can find your local organization and
Speaker 1: sign up for volunteer opportunities. So check out Innocenceproject dot org.
Speaker 2: All right, and a quick reminder, it is Britney Spears's
Speaker 2: birthday on December twod this Thursday, so if you guys
Speaker 2: want to celebrate her birthday and then next week we
Speaker 2: have a fun celebration. It's our one year anniversary episode. No,
Speaker 2: that was not a sound effect button, that was my mouth.
Speaker 2: We're doing a big one, guys. I think you're going
Speaker 2: to be excited. We're watching Pure season six, Episode eighteen.
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Speaker 2: will see you next week for our one year anniversary. Yay,
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