WEBVTT - Poison w/ Tom Skerritt

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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.

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<v Speaker 3>These are our stories.

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<v Speaker 4>Done done, Hi, Hi, Hi, Welcome to That's Messed Up

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<v Speaker 4>nsview podcasts.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Kara, Hi Kara, and I am Lisa, And every

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<v Speaker 3>week we.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about an episode of svuw the true crime it's

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<v Speaker 2>based on. And then we talked to an incredible guest

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<v Speaker 2>from the episode and post Thanksgiving bliss of an episode,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you feel feeling good?

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<v Speaker 1>Feeling you know, I'm pumped for I'm pumped for December.

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<v Speaker 3>I like I'm going home for the holidays. I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, traveling with two kids would get me really pumped too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well you know what you know, speaking of pumped,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not pumping anymore. So that will make me traveling

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<v Speaker 1>so much easier. I didn't know that you're cutting off

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<v Speaker 1>the kids.

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<v Speaker 3>You're done.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on the My boobs are clothses for business. Baby, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're done. I made it to six months with this

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<v Speaker 1>kid and I'm done.

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<v Speaker 2>What was the last moment. What was the moment you

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<v Speaker 2>said I'm gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>It's enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly, like, I pumped for like twenty minutes and

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<v Speaker 1>like only I only got like three ounces, And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, what am I doing?

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<v Speaker 3>That's not even like a one meal for this kid.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I'm done. I'm just And I had

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<v Speaker 3>to go to.

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<v Speaker 1>New York, UH for a little forty eight hour trip,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I'm not bringing all my pump

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<v Speaker 1>shit just for a forty eight hour trip, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm just done.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's already eating some solids and he's on

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<v Speaker 1>he's been on formula for a while.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not, it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want everyone who's listening who's a mom to

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<v Speaker 1>not feel that pressure of like, you gotta get to

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<v Speaker 1>a year. Everybody says you got to get to a year.

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<v Speaker 1>You absolutely don't have to get to a year. You

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<v Speaker 1>actually don't have to fucking breastfeed at all if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want too. It only works if it works for

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<v Speaker 1>both of you. That's what my mom says, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I believe anyway. And she's a doctor, yeah, a

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<v Speaker 1>doctor and a mother of six kids. So I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you, speaking of my family members, My brother,

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<v Speaker 1>who's also a doctor, was visiting me and he was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been listening to the podcast. I see Lisa's very

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<v Speaker 1>into whippits these days.

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<v Speaker 2>Only have done it once, I just can't wait to

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<v Speaker 2>do it again, and I want to pick a celebratory moment,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't make it a regular thing, because I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you have the exact right You have the

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<v Speaker 1>exact right idea about.

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<v Speaker 3>It, because I was basically like, what did Colin say?

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<v Speaker 5>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, Colin, what's the deal with it? Like

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<v Speaker 3>what happens?

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<v Speaker 1>And he goes, well, you can't have some problems if

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<v Speaker 1>you do them like habitually, like all the time, all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, like anything. Nothing is good in abundance, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like you can't do everything in moderation. So then he

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<v Speaker 1>texted me a couple of days later and was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just saw a patient who was a young guy

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<v Speaker 1>with spinal dysfunction due to nitrous oxide abuse aka whippets.

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<v Speaker 1>So he goes, it does happen abuse? This is somebody

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<v Speaker 1>doing it abusively? Yeah, yeah, I have no reason. My

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<v Speaker 1>brain is important to me. I have no reason to

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<v Speaker 1>get addicted to whippets. But that's why I'm waiting, Like

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I keep talking about it, where it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>am I just gonna do whippets on Christmas?

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<v Speaker 2>Am I gonna do am on New Year's? Am I

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<v Speaker 2>gonna wait till Martin Luther King Day?

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<v Speaker 5>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>When am I gonna do it?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I don't want it to become a regular thing

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<v Speaker 2>at all?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, No, and I don't. I'm not worried about you.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I'm gonna need to have a whippet

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<v Speaker 1>intervention with you at any point.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 2>No, there's more problems that I There's more things that

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<v Speaker 2>I love more like weed and cheese.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, wait though, can we also move on to a

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<v Speaker 1>totally different topic, of course?

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<v Speaker 3>Please?

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<v Speaker 1>Recently I texted you that I was at a very small,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty person party with the drummer from Real Red Hot

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<v Speaker 1>Chili Peppers. Oh my god, yeah, all I thought, like

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<v Speaker 1>the second I saw him, I just saw your tattoo

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<v Speaker 1>in my mind, No, and he looks like Will Ferrell

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<v Speaker 1>Famous recognized him? I go, who is the guy that's

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<v Speaker 1>famous that looks like Will Ferrell?

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<v Speaker 3>And in my mind, I go, it's the guy from

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<v Speaker 3>Dad Jai Peppers. Oh my god, So did you chat

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<v Speaker 3>with him about drumming or what and no, no, he

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<v Speaker 3>was like playing ping pong with his kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't gonna be like hi, and it seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>nobody knew who he was, so I was like cool.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also remembered that my friend from high school

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<v Speaker 1>is his niece, so I could have had an easy

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<v Speaker 1>end if I wanted to talk to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, but yeah, he's really cool. Drummers are usually really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember one of the documentaries they were like

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<v Speaker 2>working on an album and all the rest of the

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<v Speaker 2>band lived in a house and he would ride his

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<v Speaker 2>motorcycle home every night.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, I'm not staying here. Yeah, he seemed really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like dressed like a really cool dad. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, wait, that's not Will Ferrell. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>famous guy that looks like Will Ferrell.

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<v Speaker 3>And I figured it out. Yes, I love that. Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking to there's a comedian Jennif Friedman, and

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<v Speaker 2>her husband is a musician, and I couldn't believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>We were talking and he's in Taco bell commercials. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I can't be more impressed. Nothing will impress

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<v Speaker 2>me more. His music is Yeah, he's in a band,

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<v Speaker 2>and they Taco Bell has licensed his music time and

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<v Speaker 2>time again. He's like in Taco Bell commercials. He also

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<v Speaker 2>had like dinner with Paul Simon. I was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care. I don't care about this because I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>have you ever met your heroes? I was like, who

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<v Speaker 2>are your heroes? Have you met them? I was bothering him,

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<v Speaker 2>for sure. I was asking lots of questions.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Paul Simon lives in my hometown. But you're

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<v Speaker 1>not impressed.

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<v Speaker 3>The Taco Bell got me excited. I'm a new convert.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've been going to Taco Bell more than

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to admit lately, because I get I just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know ever that they had vegetarian stuff. So I

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<v Speaker 1>get the black bean crunch t raup supreme. That thing

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<v Speaker 1>is good.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and you can do potatoes too, if you

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<v Speaker 2>can stuff it with potatoes if you don't want the beans, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>or at potatoes. I mean, I really love a Cheesygordiita crunch.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder with potato. I bet that's delicious.

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<v Speaker 3>Ooh okay, let's go try that.

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<v Speaker 2>Try a cheesy Gordida. I'm not I'm trying not to

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<v Speaker 2>do cheese. I can't keep I like ruined myself in

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<v Speaker 2>New York. I had too much fun. It was like

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<v Speaker 2>bagelegg and cheeses, Philly cheese steaks, and then in between

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<v Speaker 2>shows I had to go home and fart for hours

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<v Speaker 2>and like change outfits.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I can't do it. I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's age, because I also thought I had

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<v Speaker 2>all these cancerous moles and I went to the dermatologists

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<v Speaker 2>and they were like, these are not moles at all.

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<v Speaker 2>It's this thing and it just happens with age. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, fuck, yeah, I can't eat dairy and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting weird non cancerous brown spots.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what to I don't know age sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>I did read that thirty four is when you like

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<v Speaker 2>one of the ages where you age the most within

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<v Speaker 2>the year or something.

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<v Speaker 5>What.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>The year I got married and I think I look

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<v Speaker 1>like a little spring daisy at my wedding.

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<v Speaker 3>You do you had a note? Yeah, you looked great

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<v Speaker 3>at your wedding. And I loved your dress.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you had to pick it up because it

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<v Speaker 2>was falling off your boobs, but I liked it.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I liked the local, but yeah, Taco Bell is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I have a Taco Bell bikini. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing will impress me more. I'm like, went on to

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<v Speaker 2>the Grammys. I don't give a shit.

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<v Speaker 3>Was he saying? Was she saying it? Kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it's sort of like not that cool,

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<v Speaker 3>but like his music. No, he was.

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<v Speaker 2>He was there, Oh and then you were like what Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I like lost it and then everything else he said,

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<v Speaker 2>like any famous person or cool show or anything.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like Taco Bell was ringing. You're like me, Taco Bell,

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<v Speaker 3>tell me everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I've been ordering frozen vegan burritos that I keep

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<v Speaker 2>in the freezer, and that's what I've been doing for

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<v Speaker 2>my fix because I'm just gonna try not to eat cheese,

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<v Speaker 2>even though my name is glitter Cheese. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 2>is a part of my spirit. I mean it is

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<v Speaker 2>a brand. Yeah, it's tough.

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<v Speaker 3>Also so upsetting.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been enjoying ink Masters the past few weeks, and

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<v Speaker 2>I got messages that one of the hosts is a

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<v Speaker 2>fucking creep black face all this stuff, and fuck, why

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<v Speaker 2>why are they all bad? Why is everyone bad?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>But he was married to Cat Vondee, who also had

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<v Speaker 2>weird Nazi shit. So I shouldn't have Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I should have known.

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<v Speaker 3>Red flags abound.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well we have an awesome episode, so should

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<v Speaker 1>we just get started?

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I also okay the episode for him a few

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago of SVU, the new one. Did you watch

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<v Speaker 2>the one where they like he was mummifying people?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Do we not talk about this?

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<v Speaker 2>We never talked about it because I'm always a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit behind, But like, that was one of the worst

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<v Speaker 2>things I've ever seen. It was truly crazy, like and

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<v Speaker 2>the guy seemed too dumb to get away with those crimes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that it was really cool how horrific it was.

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<v Speaker 1>And he had like a kill room, like it was

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<v Speaker 1>very dexter like all of that, like the full like

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<v Speaker 1>plastic wrapped kill room, and and then I was just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like, oh, it's this jimoke, Like I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of just wanted it to be like a different ending.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was very, very freaky, and people were writing

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<v Speaker 1>us being like is this based on anything? And I

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<v Speaker 1>got to look it up.

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<v Speaker 3>And see, because it's fucking terrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>Women being mummified is not real. Please don't be real.

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<v Speaker 1>If you think nobody's been mummified, girl, you crazy people

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<v Speaker 1>been mummified for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, thank you for the wreck for my doctors. It's

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<v Speaker 2>so cool going to American doctors. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>we've talked about this before, but I was raised going

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<v Speaker 2>to Russian doctors and they're a mess, Like nothing's on time.

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<v Speaker 3>You're in the waiting room for hours, you don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what's up.

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<v Speaker 2>Like at my appointment time, I was brought in the

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<v Speaker 2>back like I couldn't believe it.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, I could not believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a nice office, right, but yeah, it was an

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<v Speaker 2>incredible office. It's just like it felt clean, and they

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<v Speaker 2>give you a mask. They didn't trust your own mask.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all the Cedars places, Yeah, what's up with that?

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<v Speaker 3>But why?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I think they're like, if we just give everybody one,

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<v Speaker 1>then we don't have to have arguments with the people

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<v Speaker 1>that come in with like the fucking gator masks song

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<v Speaker 1>because those are not like compliant, or people that come

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<v Speaker 1>in with like a loose ask mask that's falling down.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't even have to deal with anything. You're just like,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a new mask. Everyone puts a new mask on,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, it was very respectful.

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<v Speaker 3>I liked it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I go to your derma ptologists. Now the dentist

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<v Speaker 2>I go to. Ah, I'm going to all your professions.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a love I love that dentist.

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<v Speaker 3>Good for you.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to go to an endocrinologist. I had

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<v Speaker 2>to find my own. Hey, I'm sure someday I will.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, guys, let's kick off today's episode. We got

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<v Speaker 2>a good one for you. Okay, So today we are

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<v Speaker 2>doing the episode Poison, season five, episode twenty four, which

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<v Speaker 2>makes me think, was this is season finale?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was the second to last Okay, wow, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five up season amazing SVU. So I would say this

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<v Speaker 2>is one of my top favorite episodes.

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<v Speaker 3>I probably say that a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is a shining, suspenseful, cool moment where the

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<v Speaker 2>little guys win.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one I always remember because it makes me

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<v Speaker 1>so furious, like I want to kill Tom Scarett in

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<v Speaker 1>most of this episodes, so I always remember it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, and it's wild.

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<v Speaker 2>We're working on this and recently, you know, there was

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<v Speaker 2>a case of that judge sending all those kids to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's just bad judges out there.

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<v Speaker 1>No one stop making people feel important. Power changes your brain.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like science and it makes you fucked up, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know it's not good. That's why teen Stars act

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<v Speaker 2>like a maniacs. They're just like, power too soon fucks

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<v Speaker 2>your brain. So we start out it's the episode starts

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<v Speaker 2>on a child at the hospital. So this isn't good,

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<v Speaker 2>and we hear like voices off the camera and it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>what if she survives, blah blah blah. You know, there's chats,

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<v Speaker 2>there's chats happening. There's a blonde woman in purple holding

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<v Speaker 2>a baby and is very very distraught. Olivia with some exposition, says,

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<v Speaker 2>were you with your niece when she got sick? And

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<v Speaker 2>the woman goes no, Her brother called Alexis wasn't breathing,

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<v Speaker 2>so we know that's the baby and he was going

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<v Speaker 2>nuts and asked to me at the hospital. So we

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<v Speaker 2>find out this child that's in the hospital, it's Alexis.

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<v Speaker 2>She was adopted from Romania last year at age three.

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<v Speaker 2>And then this woman's brother and wife had twin babies

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<v Speaker 2>and they were born right after the adoption, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think there's one more child in the family.

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<v Speaker 1>But oh, I was just gonna say this is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like a phenomenon that happens all the time when

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<v Speaker 1>people adopt and then they have a baby. Yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>this that happened to my one of my best friends.

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<v Speaker 1>I learned that from Sex in the City was Charlotte.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh right, right, right, So I'm glad to confirm that

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<v Speaker 2>that is correct.

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<v Speaker 3>That does happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like my friend and her brother are only ten

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<v Speaker 1>months apart because they adopted her brother and then they

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<v Speaker 1>got pregnant like right away.

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<v Speaker 3>Damn.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Our bodies are wild.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why you have to tell yourself nice things and

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<v Speaker 2>not stress yourself out, because her body's listened to what

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<v Speaker 2>we tell that.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was really impressed with this scene because it

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<v Speaker 2>was like so much exposition and information but in such

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<v Speaker 2>a natural way. So I just was really impressed because

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<v Speaker 2>usually it's a little too obvious, but I thought.

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<v Speaker 3>They nailed it.

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<v Speaker 2>The aunt is right on it and is like they

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<v Speaker 2>called you because they think she was poisoned. Right, And

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<v Speaker 2>so we get the title of the episode before the

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<v Speaker 2>credits even. I mean, of course, this is a top

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<v Speaker 2>ten episode and Benson has like a Florence Henderson reimagined

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<v Speaker 2>care if she was hosting what not to wear. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what I got. I don't know if that makes sense

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<v Speaker 2>at all. If you think she looks like something else,

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<v Speaker 2>let us know. So without skipping a beat, she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>the sister in law did it. The mom fucking did it.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what the ample leaves, and so we have

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<v Speaker 2>a suspect and an accusation before the credits. Again jam

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<v Speaker 2>packed this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't understand, like how the aunt ended up

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<v Speaker 1>bringing in all the children, Like I know, I get,

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<v Speaker 1>we need her for the exposition. Why does she have

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<v Speaker 1>all the children at the hospital. So the brother called

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<v Speaker 1>her and was like, meet me at the hospital. So

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<v Speaker 1>she came to meet all the kids because there's so

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<v Speaker 1>many fucking kids everywhere, so I think she came with everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>but she probably wanted to be there because she knows

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<v Speaker 1>her sister in law sucks.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Because there is a doctor Michael Baden HBO autopsy episode

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<v Speaker 2>where someone was writing it and being like I know,

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<v Speaker 2>oh his wife killed my brother.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I know it.

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<v Speaker 2>The death certificate said accident. So Michael Baden found evidence

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<v Speaker 2>and like they were able to put the sister away.

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<v Speaker 2>So sometimes in your gut, you just kind of know

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on. Yeah, and you know, siblings merry weird

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<v Speaker 2>people all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>So not my sister.

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<v Speaker 2>She'd a great Elan's taking me to the airport tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>okay and bringing me an edible.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is good news. You have a good brother

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<v Speaker 1>in law for sure. I have good in law brothers

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<v Speaker 1>and sister in laws too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like what if he sucked and was poisoning

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<v Speaker 2>my nephew, Like fuck, not good. But the aunt's like, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>this bitch is so cruel to Alexis, never a kind word,

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<v Speaker 2>never a kiss, her hug. She dotes on the twins

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<v Speaker 2>and Katie, but she sees this girl as a burden.

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<v Speaker 2>And Katie is seven and loves Alexis, so hopefully she'll

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<v Speaker 2>have some scoop for us. So we meet little Katie.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, she's wearing purple. Interesting. So she's really cute.

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<v Speaker 2>She's very cute, blonde, pigtails, and she's about to get

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<v Speaker 2>kid interrogated by stabler.

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<v Speaker 3>Lucky girl.

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<v Speaker 2>So she was watching SpongeBob and Alexis was in the

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<v Speaker 2>corner in the kitchen because she goes there when she's bad,

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<v Speaker 2>and she has to like count to ten over and

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<v Speaker 2>over and over again because she rode on the wall

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<v Speaker 2>with Kram.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's where we are.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we find out from the girl that she

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<v Speaker 2>drank the soapy water. The mom gave her a pail

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<v Speaker 2>to wash the wall, and the mom put the sponge

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<v Speaker 2>in her mouth, and like Alexis was coughing, and she

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<v Speaker 2>just kept putting soapy water into her child's mouth. And

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<v Speaker 2>then Alexis threw up and she wanted to sit down,

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<v Speaker 2>but the mom wouldn't let her and made her stand,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the girl fell and couldn't get up, so

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<v Speaker 2>this is not good news. The mom and dad they

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<v Speaker 2>run over and Katie runs into her mom's arms and

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<v Speaker 2>she has a side part the mom with a low

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<v Speaker 2>ponytail and a brown sway jacket, some gold hoops, and

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<v Speaker 2>the guy looks like generic business. If you look up

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<v Speaker 2>clip art business guy, that's what this guy is. Benson says,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna go down to the station, and the mom's like,

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<v Speaker 2>we got to get the kids home. And Stabler sexy, sexy,

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<v Speaker 2>more mad than anyone. If you're not nice to your children,

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<v Speaker 2>you get better watch out because Stabler's coming. And he says,

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<v Speaker 2>if I have anything to do with it. You will

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<v Speaker 2>never see those kids again. And so she's under the

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<v Speaker 2>fucking arrests for attempted murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's true, Like Maloney's not like a fan of rapists,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you fucking heard a kid Maloney wants to

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<v Speaker 1>like he burns through you with his eyes, his beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>blue eye.

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<v Speaker 3>God, just like such a I will always like God.

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<v Speaker 2>Our listeners are so horny, and now I'm like, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>like mother, like daughter, I'm feeling very horny. So whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>We get an arrest and the credits begin, so let's

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<v Speaker 2>get this episode party started. We're back and she's like, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I love my daughter and Wendy's hated me.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't believe that nonsense.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like lucky to say this, and they're like, actually, no,

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<v Speaker 2>Katie said that. Is Katie a dumbitch too? Or what's

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<v Speaker 2>up with that? And it's like, no, your daughter ratted

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<v Speaker 2>you out. We get a defense attorney showing up. Barry

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<v Speaker 2>Bostwick aka Oliver Gates. Yes, we see him sometimes, but

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<v Speaker 2>we never really take the time to celebrate him because

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<v Speaker 2>we hate him, you know, But this motherfucker's been working.

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<v Speaker 2>He was in Rocky Horror Picture Show. Yeah, very Bostwick is,

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<v Speaker 2>that's impressive. Spin City. He was in one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>forty five episodes.

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<v Speaker 3>That's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh And then in his IMDb, like in the credits

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<v Speaker 2>it said young guy Christian, but I thought it's a

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<v Speaker 2>young gay Christian and I was like, okay, but it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not the show that we wanted. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>have Barry Boss, you're rich. Okay, you're you can afford

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<v Speaker 2>his services. The mom gets defensive, of course, and is like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a good mother. I would never do anything like this.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we pan to the husband who's being interrogated

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<v Speaker 2>by Munch and Finn, and he's defending his wife, but

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<v Speaker 2>it means nothing because he works all day so he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't actually see what's going on. But he's like, not, like,

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<v Speaker 2>if my wife wanted to poison her, why would we

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<v Speaker 2>then rush her to the hospital. And they're like, we're

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<v Speaker 2>more worried about your wife, not you, Like we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the wife, and that your sister Wendy says your

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<v Speaker 2>wife is bad news, and he goes, Wendy's jealous of

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<v Speaker 2>my wife.

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<v Speaker 3>That's like a fact.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he slips of the tongue and he goes

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<v Speaker 2>and my wife loved Alexis And munch Is like, you

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<v Speaker 2>mean loves loves right, she's not dead or did you

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<v Speaker 2>want her dead? What's going on here? And so Stabler

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<v Speaker 2>and Benson joined Novak Huang, and Huang says they pumped

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<v Speaker 2>out two cups of detergent out of a Lexus's stomach.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's like not a tide pod. That's like a

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<v Speaker 1>full like two cups. That's a lot of fucking detergent.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand parenting his heart.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's say you something happens, you crack and you

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<v Speaker 2>put the soap in the kid's mouth. That's a second.

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<v Speaker 2>That's two seconds, maybe ten seconds. That's not ten cups

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<v Speaker 2>or two cups? Two cups? Two cups? Yeah, I like

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<v Speaker 2>how exaggerated. Immediately you made it worse. So they get

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<v Speaker 2>into like a little minor moment of like is this

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<v Speaker 2>kid even reliable? You know, I've been doing this longer

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<v Speaker 2>than you. A kid in court is hard, Like what's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna happen? And Huang's like, you know what, I'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>to the kid and I'll see if she knows the

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<v Speaker 2>difference between a lie and a truth. And I always

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<v Speaker 2>love the little games they play with the children. So

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<v Speaker 2>Kwang's like, what color is this? And she says purple.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're coloring and talking about lies, truths, promises. She

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<v Speaker 2>has two braids, and you know, she knows all these

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<v Speaker 2>things they're doing some church talks.

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<v Speaker 3>God, what's happening?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, So Huang's on this, and I think the kid

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<v Speaker 2>knows the difference between a lie and a truth. So

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<v Speaker 2>that we meet the judge that's gonna be in this case.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's Boss Wick Novak, and it's Judge Oliver Test

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<v Speaker 2>aka Tom Scarett, a person working for decades, decades.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he's Shelby's father and Steel Magnolias if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a fan, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I've always loved him.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen Steel Magnolia's but Candy Lawrence used to

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<v Speaker 2>have a joke where she'd put, like, start drinking beer

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<v Speaker 2>a liquid and then shake her mouth and go.

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<v Speaker 3>Drink your juice, Shelby, drink your juice.

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<v Speaker 2>All the liquids would go everywhere, and I loved the joke.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what the joke was, but she

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<v Speaker 1>was spit liquids and I loved it. Drinking juice shit,

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<v Speaker 1>juice is batter. Oh, I love that movie so much,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta watch it. It's like filled with icons like

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<v Speaker 1>blush and yeah blush and bashed my colors a blush,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm bashful. Yeah, how much do I know from just

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<v Speaker 1>a candy joke? Which is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>So the lawyers are debating with Judge Scarett, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>like debating if the kid is credible. Okay, Judge Taft,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go back from Taft to scare It.

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<v Speaker 3>Both are really fun names to say.

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<v Speaker 2>President Taft's the one that was too big for the

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<v Speaker 2>bathtub and broke the tub.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that him?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Hannah's Yeah, if I know one president fact, it's

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who has broke a bathtub.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So Judge Taft goes, listen, my court, my rules, get

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<v Speaker 2>the little kid in here, and I'm gonna figure out

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<v Speaker 2>what's up. Okay, I'm gonna decide if she's competent or

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<v Speaker 2>not from my fucking courtroom because it's my courtroom and

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<v Speaker 2>not yours. But also it's like it's not yours either,

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<v Speaker 2>or you're borrowing it from the city, my thing, my

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<v Speaker 2>tax dollars, Like that court is more my court than

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<v Speaker 2>your fucking court. And he also lets Casey knows she

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<v Speaker 2>better be dressed appropriate tomorrow and what that means is

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<v Speaker 2>in a skirt by nine am. And that fucking sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>That's annoying. Someone told me to wear a skirt. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I like wearing skirts. I don't know why I'm acting

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<v Speaker 2>like this.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't. I don't want to be told to

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<v Speaker 3>do it. No, it's like no.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you know, we're getting a picture started out.

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<v Speaker 3>It's his courtroom. You wear a dress.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a piece of shit.

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<v Speaker 2>So he starts questioning the little girl and he's not

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<v Speaker 2>giving her a chance, like he wants her to be

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<v Speaker 2>thrown off the case. It is really fucked up. He's

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<v Speaker 2>asking super confusing questions. It's like he's trying to trip

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<v Speaker 2>her up and it really sucks. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>why he's so against her. I think he's just a

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<v Speaker 2>piece of shit. And like I said, power dilutes the brain.

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<v Speaker 2>I've said this time and time again, but like there's

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<v Speaker 2>studies and power makes your brain rotten. So he's talking

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<v Speaker 2>about right hands, left hands, bibles. She's about to cry.

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<v Speaker 2>She runs away from him as fast as she can,

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<v Speaker 2>and Novak's like, I'm sorry to be fair. I was

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<v Speaker 2>confused by those questions, and he goes, I wouldn't go

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<v Speaker 2>around telling people that, and I do love that interaction.

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<v Speaker 2>So now there's a meeting and there's going back and

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<v Speaker 2>forth about the kid's testimony and if the cops course them,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just like very.

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<v Speaker 3>Annoying because we know what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we are now on a hearing with Stabler

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<v Speaker 2>on the stand in front of Judge Scarett, and Novak's like,

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<v Speaker 2>did you force the kid to say anything about the

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<v Speaker 2>mom and the soap and the throat and anything? And

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<v Speaker 2>he goes, no, she brought it up on her own.

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<v Speaker 2>I expressed no opinions. And that's true. We all saw it.

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<v Speaker 2>We saw it. Okay, they're also taping the little kid interactions.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not just letting a cop and a child interact

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<v Speaker 2>in that room. There's video footage. No one fucking forced

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<v Speaker 2>anything out of anybody.

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<v Speaker 3>But also she talked to Huang too, So that's like

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<v Speaker 3>two people.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why they never bring that up that

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<v Speaker 1>she talked to Huang also, who's like a certified psychiatrist.

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<v Speaker 3>Broughte the fucking FBI.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's like, you're a product of the government.

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<v Speaker 2>Scaret so like, if you want respect, why wouldn't you're

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<v Speaker 2>to other people working within the like the government.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it's just I mean we'll find out, obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>So back and forth conversation, it's all going fine, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the defense is like, didn't you tell her that

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<v Speaker 2>she would never see her kids again if you had

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<v Speaker 2>anything to do with it? And Novak's like, okay, this again, Stabler,

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<v Speaker 2>are you fucking kidding me? And Stabler's like, that's out

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<v Speaker 2>of context, but it wasn't. So basically, there's just like

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of situations. But Stabler didn't hate the mom

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<v Speaker 2>First he got the story from the kid and then

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<v Speaker 2>formed his opinion. So you know, there's a stunt happening.

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<v Speaker 2>So Stabler goes, listen, I know how to conduct an interview.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need this judgment. And I had a moment

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<v Speaker 2>recently with like a younger but more successful monetarily, like

0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:44.040
<v Speaker 2>this kid's selling out. But it's like, you've done you know,

0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:47.800
<v Speaker 2>you haven't done comedy a long time, and there's a

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<v Speaker 2>difference between selling tickets and having a craft that you've

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<v Speaker 2>honed for over a decade.

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<v Speaker 3>But I was talking about how.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone was annoying me and being rude, And this young

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<v Speaker 2>comedian says, I mean, don't you think they could have

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<v Speaker 2>just been joking? And the way I looked at him,

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<v Speaker 2>I go, I think I could tell the difference between

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<v Speaker 2>a joke and not, don't you think? And and he uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think he realized what he did.

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<v Speaker 1>And oh god, if you all could see Lisa's face

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<v Speaker 1>right now, you would not want to be on the

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<v Speaker 1>receiving end of that comment.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, bro, I could tell if someone's being

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<v Speaker 2>a kidding. Yeah, but it was a it was a

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<v Speaker 2>fun moment. Obviously, tensions are high in the courtroom. Stabler

0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:38.359
<v Speaker 2>has been disrespected, his words are being switched around. This

0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:41.480
<v Speaker 2>woman is poisoning her child. The judge is telling Casey

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<v Speaker 2>to wear a skirt. What the fuck's about to happen?

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<v Speaker 2>So as Stabler walks out of the courtroom, he gets

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<v Speaker 2>what's up and under his breath he goes, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a joke, and the judge goes, what the fuck did

0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:54.600
<v Speaker 2>you say? And Stabler Louder goes, it's a fucking joke,

0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:57.359
<v Speaker 2>and scare It's like, nobody cares what you think. And

0:24:57.440 --> 0:25:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Stabler's like fuck you. Obviously not all these fucks. All

0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:05.160
<v Speaker 2>these fucks are Liza's. Yeah, and Stabler goes, you think

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<v Speaker 2>I bullied a seven year old girl? Like that's what

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<v Speaker 2>you And then you know they're fighting and uh and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like that's what you did, Judge, Like you did

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<v Speaker 2>what you're accusing maloney of. That's why you're so suspicious.

0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:20.439
<v Speaker 2>You fucking bullied this child. Stabler wouldn't do that. So

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<v Speaker 2>Sailor gets put in contempt and Elliott is off to

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<v Speaker 2>a cell and he smiles like, oh my god, and

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<v Speaker 2>Novak looks very, very angry, but she bails his ass

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<v Speaker 2>out of the cell, and they have a back and

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<v Speaker 2>forth about ego like I meant, you know, sometimes sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>you feel threatened and outbursts and loyalty and YadA YadA.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we have Marlo Thomas.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, I've been to some misfoundation events with her. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure she does not remember. Okay, so what is her

0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:50.119
<v Speaker 2>job in this episode? So she's actually the one that

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<v Speaker 2>bailed Elliott out and was able to drop the contempt charge.

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<v Speaker 2>She has judged Mary Clark and she's been in four

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<v Speaker 2>episodes of SVU. She tells Elliott stop acting like a

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<v Speaker 2>and tells Novak play the game with this judge and

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<v Speaker 2>do your job. Novak says he's an arrogant prick and

0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:10.520
<v Speaker 2>hates young attorneys, and Marla's like, okay, we'll pick your battles,

0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:14.359
<v Speaker 2>all right. Winning a trial is more important than wearing

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<v Speaker 2>a skirt. And they have a nice relationship because Novak

0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:19.160
<v Speaker 2>clerked for her and that's so that's how they all

0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:22.840
<v Speaker 2>know each other. So we jumped to court. Do you

0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 2>have any mentors? Mentors?

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<v Speaker 3>Well? Really, okay, well all right do you?

0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:32.880
<v Speaker 2>I guess David Tel But yeah, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he wants to be my mentor,

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<v Speaker 2>but I forced myself upon him.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I have hero people I look up to,

0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:45.640
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know if anyone's take it like a mentor.

0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 2>But I just watched the Seinfeld Mentor and unfortunately one

0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 2>of our friends I saw online her mentor recently died,

0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:54.080
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, do I need to get a mentor?

0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:56.280
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, yeah, I don't know.

0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:58.879
<v Speaker 1>I just never I mean, yeah, definitely have people I

0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:00.800
<v Speaker 1>look up to and I ask for advice, but I

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:03.360
<v Speaker 1>can't think of any of them right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, yeh, but you know, Judge Mary Clark

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<v Speaker 2>is a good mentor to have. But is our queen,

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:11.280
<v Speaker 2>what's our queen's name, Judith Light?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think she's jealous? Do you think Judith's Light

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm your fucking mentor. She seems more like Stephanie

0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Marsh's mentor. She's like a cabint mentor. Okay, and then

0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Novak Scott Marlowe, this is god, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Love this show.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So we jumped to court. It's April nineteenth, which

0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:31.639
<v Speaker 2>is my sister's birthday, so that's exciting. And the Oklahoma

0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:36.640
<v Speaker 2>bombing if you're you know, into that a big day

0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:39.120
<v Speaker 2>for many people, go on, well, now it sucked because

0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:41.479
<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma bombing is on my sister's birthday. And then Princess

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Dana died on my birthday and I was like, why

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:44.680
<v Speaker 2>are we so cursed?

0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:45.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So now we have some court games again. Basically,

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:52.720
<v Speaker 2>the defense is like, we want to waive a jury

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 2>trial and just have the judge decide, and Novak's like, no,

0:27:56.640 --> 0:28:00.119
<v Speaker 2>because there's an advantage with your perceived favor, and of

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:02.680
<v Speaker 2>course he gets offended. He goes, no, there's more risk

0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:05.399
<v Speaker 2>to the defendant to wave the jury usually you know

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, Like it's one guy's opinion. So if

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:11.720
<v Speaker 2>Mama Murder is down for the risk, I'm down and

0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:15.720
<v Speaker 2>everyone's down, so no jury selection, go fuck yourself. And

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:19.320
<v Speaker 2>so Novak's upset obviously, and scare and her make eye

0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:23.560
<v Speaker 2>contact and they are their enemies. So she says, the

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 2>people request that he recuse himself from the trial on

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:29.760
<v Speaker 2>the grounds of there's a clear bias in this case.

0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:32.639
<v Speaker 2>And the next scene is a masterclass in acting Diane

0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:35.879
<v Speaker 2>Neil and Scarett, just like Murder the scene. Judges are

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 2>trained to examine their biases, and I've decided that I

0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:42.080
<v Speaker 2>can judge this case. And he is satisfied that he

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:45.160
<v Speaker 2>is partial. So your request is denied and we'll see

0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:48.240
<v Speaker 2>you in the morning for trial. So he gets to

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:51.160
<v Speaker 2>decide if he's biased or not in this case, which

0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 2>doesn't make sense. But Judge Mary Clark and Novak meet

0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:58.120
<v Speaker 2>outside in a very New York fun moment that makes me,

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<v Speaker 2>of course wistful, and Marlowe like, you asked an egomaniac

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 2>to recuse himself. What's wrong with you? She says that

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 2>him saying that we are reaching with the attempted murder

0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 2>charge as fuck.

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 3>She's like, what the hell is that? So that's true.

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 2>There is a bias. If you're like are you sure

0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:16.200
<v Speaker 2>about that charge? You already have an opinion that it's

0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 2>too strict. So marlow says, maybe it's a tactic. Maybe not,

0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:21.600
<v Speaker 2>but she goes, listen, this is a judge of been a.

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 2>You know what's up. He's just trying to plead this

0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 2>case out, lower the charge, make his life easier. He's

0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 2>just thinking about himself, like relax. It has nothing to

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:31.959
<v Speaker 2>do with like the specificity of the case. It's just

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:33.920
<v Speaker 2>like that, you know, he's trying to get a day off,

0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 2>trying to get a summer friday. So Novak wants to

0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:39.920
<v Speaker 2>take this further and Marlowe is like, okay, you want

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 2>to publicly humiliate him.

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:42.160
<v Speaker 3>Have fun.

0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:45.640
<v Speaker 2>So Novak meets Stabler in a sunlit, busy hallway and

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<v Speaker 2>is like, fuck this noise, let's plead her out, and

0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:50.080
<v Speaker 2>he goes, no, no, no, no, look what I found.

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:54.640
<v Speaker 2>She tried to give Alexis back. So six months after

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 2>adopting Alexis, she tried to give her back. And she's like,

0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 2>let's see him try to throw this out, you know, like,

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 2>this is definitely a challenge, and it shows that this

0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:05.959
<v Speaker 2>woman did not want to be a mother of this child.

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:10.200
<v Speaker 2>And it's only now been twenty four hours. What a busy,

0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:12.600
<v Speaker 2>busy day do these people in that nap Are they

0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 2>sleeping five hours a day?

0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:14.600
<v Speaker 3>Are they eating?

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 5>Like?

0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 3>Are they taking care of themselves?

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:19.280
<v Speaker 2>It is only fos, but it is four twenty, So

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 2>if you are a partaker in drugs, you know, hit

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 2>a bowl and that's exciting. Hit the vapepen, suck on

0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 2>that bong. It's four twenty. In court, all right, mom

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 2>is on trial and she's saying how she's like overwhelmed

0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:39.960
<v Speaker 2>with all these kids and she's embarrassed. She tried to

0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:41.560
<v Speaker 2>give her back, but she thought she could have a

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 2>better life with someone else. She says, I'm sorry I

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 2>couldn't keep my eye on her. I do love her,

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 2>and I'm sorry she was acting kind of weird after

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:52.680
<v Speaker 2>the detergent, but she had a stomach bug, so I

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 2>thought the puke was just part of that. And then

0:30:56.720 --> 0:31:01.080
<v Speaker 2>it's like, but didn't your daughter turn blue? Like this

0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:03.800
<v Speaker 2>girl passed out and turned blue, And the mom still

0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 2>waited for the husband to go to the hospital, and

0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:10.080
<v Speaker 2>for me, if knock on wood I was with any

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:12.479
<v Speaker 2>loose child who turned blue and passed out, I wouldn't

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 2>wait for anybody. I would start doing chess compressions and

0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 2>calling nine one one, like I don't understand what's going on.

0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm first aid certified. Maybe not everyone should

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 2>do chess compressions, but it's just weird. So Novak stands

0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:29.000
<v Speaker 2>up ready for war. She's on a mission, and this

0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:33.040
<v Speaker 2>is the sexiest we've seen Novak. Okay, She's like, wait,

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:37.280
<v Speaker 2>so you said Alexis was fine all day, while a

0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:41.800
<v Speaker 2>doctor from the hospital said that she was in excruciating.

0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:42.240
<v Speaker 3>Pain for hours.

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:44.959
<v Speaker 2>And Novak brings up another good point and is like,

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 2>if you knew that she had ingested cleaning solution, why

0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 2>not take her to the hospital right away? Clearly, I

0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:51.479
<v Speaker 2>think it's a good point. I made it earlier, and

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 2>it's like better safe than sorry.

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 3>What are you doing?

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 2>And Novak's like, were you just scared they were gonna

0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:58.160
<v Speaker 2>be able to tell that you were abusing your daughter?

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:02.000
<v Speaker 2>And then there's a sustained objection and no vectin not

0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 2>like that, and Scaret says, listen, this is obviously an accident.

0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 3>And this is sad.

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 2>But come on, guys, relax, no big deal, even though

0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:11.960
<v Speaker 2>there'll be permanent damage to your daughter. He says, I

0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 2>know you love your daughter. I believe you didn't force

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 2>her to drink poison. This is a tragedy and not

0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 2>guilty on all charges. And Stabler is like what And

0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 2>the mom and dad kiss on the lips for a

0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:23.120
<v Speaker 2>really long time.

0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:27.560
<v Speaker 1>It is a weird, like French kiss for you just

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:30.960
<v Speaker 1>got acquitted for murdering attempted murder on our daughter.

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, it's like, we want more fucking in the show,

0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 2>but not like this, not like this.

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:41.480
<v Speaker 1>So it's weird because it's like it's kind of feels

0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:45.240
<v Speaker 1>this like the only reason Scaret that, I'm sorry, Judge

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Taft likes this couple is just because they're like a nice,

0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 1>white young couple that seem proper right, Like he doesn't

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:56.280
<v Speaker 1>have any other reason to be like biased towards them.

0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 1>It's like, you know that if this family was like poor,

0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:00.760
<v Speaker 1>or this was a single mom with like a sexual history,

0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 1>or like this was a black family like she, he

0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:05.240
<v Speaker 1>would totally not be ruling this way.

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:08.400
<v Speaker 3>Well we'll see, Kara, won't we Oh, I guess we won't.

0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 2>Uh novakan stable and then it's also like, I wonder

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 2>if he was going extra hard just to fuck with

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 2>Novak too, Like he's annoyed with Novak at this point.

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, for sure.

0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 2>So Novak and Stabler meet up outside and Novak reveals

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 2>she wants him off the bench and she's going after him,

0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:28.520
<v Speaker 2>and she goes, if this is justice, I don't want

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:31.960
<v Speaker 2>this career love her. So Marlow is like in a

0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 2>very high fancy building and an incredibly body hugging skirts suit,

0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 2>and she you know, she needs a favor. Novak's been

0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:41.120
<v Speaker 2>going through all of his decisions in the past ten

0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:44.160
<v Speaker 2>years and they suck, and Marlow's like, this is a

0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:46.800
<v Speaker 2>waste of time. And then Novak go's, no, look, there

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:49.800
<v Speaker 2>was another child poison case and that kind of piques

0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:52.479
<v Speaker 2>Marlow's interest and she's like, okay, fine, let me see it.

0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:58.160
<v Speaker 2>So basically this the case involves Silvo. So this person Silvo,

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:00.840
<v Speaker 2>takes the daughter to the hospital and then gets arrested

0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 2>for poisoning with anti freeze and waives a jury trial,

0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 2>but taff disallows an expert witnessed that would say that

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 2>the daughter is a genetic disorder disease, not poison, and

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:14.839
<v Speaker 2>then the lawyers requested a recusal and that didn't work,

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 2>and now Silvo is doing twenty five two life very

0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:22.879
<v Speaker 2>similar cases. So it's like, come on, help me, help

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:25.840
<v Speaker 2>me get this commissioner judge investigation guy. And Marlow's like,

0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:27.520
<v Speaker 2>if you bring me proof and he did something wrong,

0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:29.319
<v Speaker 2>I'll be your ride or die. Okay, I will go.

0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 2>I will do this with you if you give me

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:33.640
<v Speaker 2>the evidence that I need. So now Casey's doing a

0:34:33.680 --> 0:34:35.879
<v Speaker 2>walk and talk with the lawyer from the case of

0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:39.799
<v Speaker 2>this poisoning that happened, and she was looking and he's like,

0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:43.000
<v Speaker 2>I quit criminal law because of him. He wrongfully convicted

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:45.560
<v Speaker 2>my client and I hated that motherfucker, and he like

0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 2>ruined my life and I couldn't get a job anywhere.

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:49.799
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, I found this expert that believed that

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:52.719
<v Speaker 2>the anti freeze thing was wrong and it was a disease,

0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 2>but he needed to have a test done, and since

0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:57.719
<v Speaker 2>he was a court appointed attorney, the judge in the case,

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:00.359
<v Speaker 2>who happened to be taffed, got to approve funding, and

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:03.160
<v Speaker 2>he denied it and said it was junk science. So

0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Noveach goes, oh, well, now he's a crusader for mothers.

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 2>And he goes, oh, let me guess carry, you were

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:11.400
<v Speaker 2>right rich June Cleaver type with a husband in the picture,

0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:13.600
<v Speaker 2>and so he has a class bias, and like, what

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:14.360
<v Speaker 2>a good mother is?

0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:16.960
<v Speaker 1>I missed this whole part. I missed the whole part.

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:19.480
<v Speaker 1>I didn't mean to, like, yeah, I just missed him

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 1>saying this. I must have like gotten a glass of water.

0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:24.440
<v Speaker 1>I just missed that part. I saw this talk with

0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:26.520
<v Speaker 1>the lawyer, but I missed the June Cleaver part and

0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:26.879
<v Speaker 1>all that.

0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:29.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, so you were right. Well, no, so you

0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:29.600
<v Speaker 3>were on it.

0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:31.120
<v Speaker 2>So he goes, yeah, there was a class bias, the

0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:33.400
<v Speaker 2>good mother thing. You know, we find out this former

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 2>mother was like poor as fuck, uneducated. No Dad and

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:38.719
<v Speaker 2>Scaret thought she was a slut and didn't hide it.

0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:41.640
<v Speaker 2>And it also aligns with his ideas of like wanting

0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 2>a woman to wear skirts to court. We talked about this,

0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:46.440
<v Speaker 2>like the Virgin Madonna, like you want a woman to

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:48.279
<v Speaker 2>be how you think a woman is, and if you

0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 2>do not fit my interpretation of what a good woman is,

0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:54.400
<v Speaker 2>you suck and you belong in jail. So that's that.

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:57.880
<v Speaker 2>And he tried to recuse Scaret badmouth to him all

0:35:57.920 --> 0:35:59.480
<v Speaker 2>over town, so he hasn't been able to work. And

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Novak's great, we have the same enemy, file the paperwork

0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:04.399
<v Speaker 2>for me and let's get this guy down.

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:07.480
<v Speaker 3>And this man's like, lol, no way, thanks, thank you,

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:08.680
<v Speaker 3>not interested.

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 2>So then he brings up a really good point and

0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:14.399
<v Speaker 2>he goes, instead of fucking around with Taft, why don't

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:17.120
<v Speaker 2>you try to get Rosalin Silvo out of jail? Go

0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 2>get that bitch, like, help her. So I do like

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:22.120
<v Speaker 2>where this guy's coming from. Where it's like, instead of

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:24.960
<v Speaker 2>playing these games, your ego games, because Novak's having an

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:27.719
<v Speaker 2>ego about this too, And instead of like going and

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:29.840
<v Speaker 2>getting this judge off the bench, why don't we get

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 2>Rosalin Silvo, who's been wrongfully convicted out of jail.

0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:35.319
<v Speaker 3>So we start to focus on that.

0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:38.520
<v Speaker 2>So back at the precinct, Benson's telling the crew about

0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:41.440
<v Speaker 2>the Rosalin Silvo case. Basically, in nineteen ninety three, she

0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:44.200
<v Speaker 2>showed up in the er with her one year old daughter, Christine.

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:47.279
<v Speaker 2>The baby was vomiting and couldn't breathe, and found there

0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:50.600
<v Speaker 2>were found high levels of this chemical that's in anti freeze,

0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:52.840
<v Speaker 2>and the baby died and she was arrested. She was

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:54.799
<v Speaker 2>also pregnant during this and she had to have her

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:57.359
<v Speaker 2>baby in jail and the baby is still in foster care.

0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Also a twist, there was no anti freeze ever found

0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:04.759
<v Speaker 2>in her home, so at the emmy confirmed what the

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:07.680
<v Speaker 2>hospital said, and Craigan is like, no one looked into

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:11.000
<v Speaker 2>this genetic disease, Like what is going on? And Novak

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:13.000
<v Speaker 2>says that there was some cousin in the family who

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.640
<v Speaker 2>allegedly had died of this disease, but Taft would not

0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 2>let the evidence in, so they couldn't find the dad,

0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:19.759
<v Speaker 2>and they couldn't do the tests, and they couldn't do

0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:21.839
<v Speaker 2>all this. So it's like, let's go, let's go, let's go.

0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Lots of work to do, team, so they have to work.

0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:30.000
<v Speaker 2>So now we're Hudson University, our favorite rape college and.

0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:35.040
<v Speaker 3>Rape college, our number.

0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:37.320
<v Speaker 1>One place to get assaulted in New York's what I

0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:40.400
<v Speaker 1>have time out? Did that the pap ten universities to

0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:41.160
<v Speaker 1>get groped at?

0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 3>Okay? So okay.

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:46.759
<v Speaker 2>So now it's the twenty first of April when they

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:49.160
<v Speaker 2>go to Hudson, So it's only been three days. So

0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 2>all of this has happened in three days really fast.

0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:57.240
<v Speaker 2>So this doctor at Hudson says, maybe this baby could

0:37:57.239 --> 0:38:01.440
<v Speaker 2>have had MMA. It's when you're body lacks an enzyme

0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:05.200
<v Speaker 2>something with protein. And I watched this scene three times

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:06.960
<v Speaker 2>and I have no clue what they were saying.

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 3>So I'm going to talk about it later anymore perfect.

0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:14.600
<v Speaker 2>So the lab found ethylene glycomb and basically it's something

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:18.160
<v Speaker 2>that's used in anti freezing photography. But MMA is this

0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 2>disease and it produces this enzyme, so old tests might

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:25.560
<v Speaker 2>think it's anti freeze. But there's technology now that can

0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:28.920
<v Speaker 2>tell the difference between the disease and a poisoning. And

0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:30.799
<v Speaker 2>so we go to the prison to meet the mom

0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:34.040
<v Speaker 2>behind the bars, and it's Becky from Roseanne the og

0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:37.720
<v Speaker 2>one Alicia Gorenson, an icon, a queen, and a legend.

0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:40.400
<v Speaker 3>Do you have a thought original Becky? I was just

0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:41.319
<v Speaker 3>excited to see her.

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 1>I was like, original Becky, Yeah, yeah.

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:48.440
<v Speaker 2>And she wildly in Sex and the City, played like

0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 2>a surrogate who is gonna give Charlotte and Harry a baby?

0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 2>But then changed her mind and they were like, well

0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:00.279
<v Speaker 2>why did you go along with this meeting and the like?

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:01.440
<v Speaker 3>We had just never been.

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:05.480
<v Speaker 2>To New York and so she plays like a poor

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:08.799
<v Speaker 2>mother very well, I guess because in Sex and the

0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 2>City and SVU playing poor mothers, that's pretty fun. And

0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:15.120
<v Speaker 2>I think, did she have a child in Roseanne two?

0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:16.680
<v Speaker 3>I think so, yeah.

0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:19.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember whether it's her or new Becky gets

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:21.759
<v Speaker 1>a kid, but Becky has a kid, I feel like.

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 3>But then old Becky came back. It was like really wild,

0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, like, isn't old Becky on the Conners right now? Yeah?

0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:30.359
<v Speaker 2>I knew Becky was on Scrubs, so she made her

0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:32.759
<v Speaker 2>multimilli so she doesn't have to be working. I mean,

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:36.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure everyone likes Sorek. It's their passion, but they're

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:38.719
<v Speaker 2>all all the Becky's are doing good. And Darley no

0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:41.600
<v Speaker 2>big deal. I did get to audition in front of

0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 2>the actress who played to Darleyan recently during the Pandemic

0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:45.000
<v Speaker 2>on Zoom.

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:49.319
<v Speaker 1>But Sarah Gilbert Sarah Gilbert an additional icon, I mean,

0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:52.719
<v Speaker 1>the only female member of the Pussy Posse. Yeah, you

0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:56.399
<v Speaker 1>love that, huge, huge, you bring that.

0:39:56.440 --> 0:40:00.520
<v Speaker 3>Up a lot. I love bringing that up. So whatever,

0:40:00.640 --> 0:40:01.920
<v Speaker 3>Becky's here, we get it.

0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:03.960
<v Speaker 2>And she's in jail and she's like, I've just been

0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:06.239
<v Speaker 2>waiting for somebody to figure this out. But she's like

0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 2>it's like she found some really good books and religion

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:11.680
<v Speaker 2>or something in jail.

0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:12.919
<v Speaker 3>She's like chill as fuck.

0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:17.480
<v Speaker 2>But they say, okay, slow down, and so they have

0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:21.279
<v Speaker 2>some discussions. She mentions, you know, her ten year old

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:25.120
<v Speaker 2>daughter who's out, and you know she misses, she misses

0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:27.600
<v Speaker 2>her kids. She like wants to be a mother. She

0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:30.440
<v Speaker 2>is actually a good mother. And this is why biases,

0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:34.920
<v Speaker 2>and even if it's unchecked, biases fuck up lives so much.

0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:38.360
<v Speaker 2>So anyways, the kid used to visit her daughter, Diana,

0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:40.360
<v Speaker 2>but she's like, this isn't no place for a kid.

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:42.440
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want her to visit me that often. So

0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:44.560
<v Speaker 2>that's like a caring mother who doesn't want like a

0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:48.319
<v Speaker 2>kid to show up to jail. So Rosalind said, like,

0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:51.520
<v Speaker 2>Christine must have died from the disease because she's dead

0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:54.320
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know, like maybe I wasn't paying attention.

0:40:54.880 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 2>And so she's not defensive. She's like open to the

0:40:57.160 --> 0:40:59.160
<v Speaker 2>idea that she might have killed her kid, but she

0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:01.520
<v Speaker 2>knows she didn't point and her kid. So she's like

0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:04.160
<v Speaker 2>everyone was really nice to me until the test came

0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:06.840
<v Speaker 2>back and then it was all about anti freeze and poisoning,

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:08.400
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, wait what, I didn't do this

0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:10.960
<v Speaker 2>to my baby, and they're like they arrested me and

0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:14.040
<v Speaker 2>they were taking my mugshots as my daughter died.

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 3>And it was a whirlwind.

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:18.799
<v Speaker 2>So Stabler asked permission to exhume the body to find

0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:21.160
<v Speaker 2>proof to get her out of jail, and she cries

0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:23.239
<v Speaker 2>and thinks about her sweet baby, but she's like, yeah,

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:24.280
<v Speaker 2>go test the baby.

0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:25.800
<v Speaker 3>So we got lucky.

0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Melinda Warner is on the case and she found the

0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:31.640
<v Speaker 2>goods and the baby for sure had mma and there's

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:34.880
<v Speaker 2>lots of science and what's great is I was a

0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:38.280
<v Speaker 2>little distracted, like Melinda did keep talking about more science

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:40.359
<v Speaker 2>and all the proof, but there was just like a

0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:43.960
<v Speaker 2>little baby covered in a restaurant napkin cloth and it

0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:46.359
<v Speaker 2>was just weird thinking. I mean, I'm sure it wasn't

0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:48.680
<v Speaker 2>a real baby, but I just didn't like the little

0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:52.560
<v Speaker 2>the little dead baby. Okay, yeah, great prop work, I

0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:54.600
<v Speaker 2>would say, a great Halloween decoration.

0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:56.200
<v Speaker 3>I did not love it.

0:41:57.000 --> 0:42:00.480
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so the baby, uh, the exhumed by there's

0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:02.960
<v Speaker 2>some crystals in her head and it's consistent with anti

0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:06.279
<v Speaker 2>freeze poisoning, but it's not. And the hospital treated the

0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:08.440
<v Speaker 2>baby with an ethanol drip, which is the right thing

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:11.040
<v Speaker 2>to do for anti freeze poisoning, but it is the

0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:13.360
<v Speaker 2>wrong thing to do with someone with MMA and so

0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:16.319
<v Speaker 2>and made the crystals appear in the brain and that's

0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:19.000
<v Speaker 2>why all this happens. So Novak is waiting outside for

0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Marlow to come out. So Marlow's like, oh great, Casey

0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:26.120
<v Speaker 2>Novak again, and Casey's like, no, it's the judge's fault.

0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Rosalin is innocent and we need to get Judge Scarett

0:42:30.040 --> 0:42:33.360
<v Speaker 2>off the fucking bench. And Marlowe calls him a what

0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:34.720
<v Speaker 2>because it's.

0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:36.360
<v Speaker 3>Scare It just like Judge Scarett.

0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Marlowe calls him a son of a bitch and an

0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 2>embarrassment to the bench, and then she agrees to defend

0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:48.240
<v Speaker 2>Rosalin in court. So Marlow's like, I gotta file emotion

0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:50.799
<v Speaker 2>and Casey takes out the thickest stack of papers I've

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:52.920
<v Speaker 2>ever seen and says, I already did it for you,

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:54.680
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, okay, are you on addro It's a

0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:58.480
<v Speaker 2>full QD report, Like it's so thick, and this is

0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:00.879
<v Speaker 2>only not what is a four days So we're four

0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:03.200
<v Speaker 2>days deep and she has a whole one hundred and

0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:04.440
<v Speaker 2>forty page document.

0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:06.600
<v Speaker 3>Ready, I thought the same thing.

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:08.919
<v Speaker 2>They need to do a cocaine episode so we find

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:10.840
<v Speaker 2>out how everyone is getting their work done.

0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:14.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, I'm like, the squad has the same dealer.

0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:15.239
<v Speaker 1>They all use the same guy.

0:43:15.719 --> 0:43:17.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, no, I don't think. I don't think they

0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:19.239
<v Speaker 3>would partake in drugs. I don't.

0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:22.560
<v Speaker 2>Maybe ice sometimes while he's like, I bet Icy snedabol

0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:27.160
<v Speaker 2>while he like plays video games, but I don't see. Yeah,

0:43:27.239 --> 0:43:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Craigan's sober. I don't know. Yeah, all right, what do

0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:32.799
<v Speaker 2>you guys think? Let us know what drugs do you think?

0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Let us know how much coke you guys think Stabler

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:38.840
<v Speaker 1>and Benson are doing on the regular. Let us know

0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:42.200
<v Speaker 1>who he thinks doing the most amount of drugs. Marlow's

0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:43.719
<v Speaker 1>outfit in court is incredible.

0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:46.680
<v Speaker 2>It's black with white small stripes going down the shoulders

0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:49.400
<v Speaker 2>and a gold necklace with like pearls.

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Spaced out in it.

0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:53.879
<v Speaker 2>It's a she's rich, she's rich. So Scaret walks into

0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:56.359
<v Speaker 2>the courtroom just like like he's coming to watch. He's

0:43:56.400 --> 0:43:58.920
<v Speaker 2>not on the bench or anything for this case. It's

0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:02.319
<v Speaker 2>actually honorable Louis. I never know how to say her name.

0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 1>Loy S Louise Lois Lois Lowe's press.

0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:07.760
<v Speaker 3>It's like Raleigh Rally.

0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:11.200
<v Speaker 2>It's like, fucking yeah, bet Air Oh, and so Honorable

0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Judge Lewis Preston. She's the curly haired, redheaded woman and

0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:20.920
<v Speaker 2>she's like Lois Lois Lois, Honorable Judge Lois Preston. She

0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:23.879
<v Speaker 2>has red, curly hair, and she goes, great news, let's

0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:27.680
<v Speaker 2>free this woman. And she hugs the daughter and everything's good.

0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:30.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean this, this courtroom happened fast.

0:44:30.280 --> 0:44:30.640
<v Speaker 3>Baby.

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Basically, Becky's free. She gets to hug her daughter and

0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:35.960
<v Speaker 2>she gets to live her fucking life. Thank god for

0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:39.840
<v Speaker 2>s V and Diane Neil. So Scaret comes to be

0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:41.880
<v Speaker 2>a bitch to the women, and the women are stern

0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:43.680
<v Speaker 2>and calm because they know they have all the goods

0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:46.600
<v Speaker 2>and they're right, and you know, it's like Byero. So

0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:49.520
<v Speaker 2>there's a sexy stare down that occurs, and then there's

0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:51.759
<v Speaker 2>a cell phone ring, and that to me is never

0:44:51.840 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 2>a good anytime my cell phone rings, I'm like, oh god,

0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:57.560
<v Speaker 2>they just never let anyone celebrate for too long. So

0:44:57.840 --> 0:45:01.719
<v Speaker 2>Novaka arrives to a crime scene and it's Alexis and

0:45:01.760 --> 0:45:05.840
<v Speaker 2>she's dead and Karen, the mother was the only person home,

0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:08.400
<v Speaker 2>so she basically took her child home from the hospital

0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:12.600
<v Speaker 2>and killed her at home, so awful. Stabler is with

0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:13.160
<v Speaker 2>her and is.

0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:16.160
<v Speaker 3>Like, what did you do? Did you, miss us? You

0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:18.640
<v Speaker 3>didn't have to kill her. You had the perfect out.

0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:20.600
<v Speaker 2>You could have put her in a nursing home forever

0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:22.520
<v Speaker 2>and never have to think about her again.

0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:26.239
<v Speaker 1>Why would you decline that to take her home and

0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:27.280
<v Speaker 1>murder her?

0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:31.120
<v Speaker 2>Cycle paths. So Stabler is like, I'm just trying to understand.

0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:34.920
<v Speaker 2>What the fuck? What the fuck? And the defense attorney

0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:38.320
<v Speaker 2>is like, I'm sorry, the kid had issues in brain damage,

0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:40.319
<v Speaker 2>Like the kid died on her own. You can't charge

0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:42.719
<v Speaker 2>her for the same crime twice. And Benson walks in

0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:45.839
<v Speaker 2>and goes, no, no, no, no, no no, it's two separate acts.

0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:49.600
<v Speaker 2>And so she has the groundbreaking evidence that we need

0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:52.799
<v Speaker 2>and it's basically that Alexis was suffocated, so poisoning had

0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with her death, so that there is

0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:56.840
<v Speaker 2>no double jeopardy at play, and we can charge this

0:45:56.920 --> 0:46:00.400
<v Speaker 2>bitch for murder. And I love when a defense attorney

0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:02.680
<v Speaker 2>knows that they're fucked, Like, I do really enjoy that

0:46:02.719 --> 0:46:05.560
<v Speaker 2>when they make a face of like, oh, okay, so

0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:07.080
<v Speaker 2>we need to make a deal quick.

0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:08.880
<v Speaker 3>So that's what's happening.

0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:11.520
<v Speaker 2>So the murder mom, Karen is like crying but she's

0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:15.320
<v Speaker 2>saying nothing, and Stabler's like, what, you have nothing to say?

0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:17.799
<v Speaker 2>And she musters out that she didn't want to bring

0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:20.840
<v Speaker 2>her home but her husband insisted and she wouldn't stop

0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:22.840
<v Speaker 2>crying and I just wanted her to be quiet. So

0:46:22.880 --> 0:46:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Stabler's like, yeah, so you killed her, and then she

0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:29.480
<v Speaker 2>drops a bomb and goes, it's not my fault. The

0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:32.240
<v Speaker 2>judge said I should do it. It was his idea.

0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:35.520
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to do it. So Judge Taft said

0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Alexis was too sick and that she has other kids

0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 2>to think about, and we'd all be better off if

0:46:41.040 --> 0:46:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Alexis just died. And he said this right before court

0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:50.160
<v Speaker 2>before she testified, so obviously he's breaking tons of court rules.

0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:52.239
<v Speaker 2>He told this woman to murder her child. But on

0:46:52.320 --> 0:46:55.040
<v Speaker 2>top of all this, he's been a judge for decades.

0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:58.120
<v Speaker 2>So and this is what I think about with race

0:46:58.200 --> 0:47:01.319
<v Speaker 2>and gender and all everything clntant where it's like, you know,

0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:03.839
<v Speaker 2>it is everywhere, because it's all these people that have

0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:07.120
<v Speaker 2>real jobs that have real affects some people, and there's

0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:11.400
<v Speaker 2>just like bad people as judges, teachers, cops, you know,

0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:13.200
<v Speaker 2>working at the couch store.

0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:15.800
<v Speaker 3>You know, everywhere furniture.

0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:17.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if there's just a couch store, but

0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:23.279
<v Speaker 2>general convertibles. I know there's mattress stores all right. So

0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Craigan is like, wait, did I hear what I think

0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:28.520
<v Speaker 2>I heard? That nutcase thinks the judge told her to

0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:30.360
<v Speaker 2>do it, And Benson's like, maybe it's a way to

0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:33.520
<v Speaker 2>get off. But Stabler's like, why are you take talking

0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:35.160
<v Speaker 2>alone with a defendant anyways?

0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:36.840
<v Speaker 3>Like what's going on? And we need to get to

0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:37.520
<v Speaker 3>the bottom of it.

0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:40.799
<v Speaker 1>So X party. I love the term ex partey. I

0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:41.439
<v Speaker 1>love that term.

0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:43.160
<v Speaker 3>Could we use it in regular life or is it

0:47:43.200 --> 0:47:43.880
<v Speaker 3>only legal?

0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I think it's only legal, Like we I mean, you know,

0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:50.839
<v Speaker 1>I like, I guess you could be like maybe next

0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:53.040
<v Speaker 1>time we want to talk about Rosie, we'll just be like,

0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:53.879
<v Speaker 1>let's go talk.

0:47:53.960 --> 0:47:56.600
<v Speaker 3>We have an ex Partei conversation over here. I don't

0:47:56.640 --> 0:47:57.319
<v Speaker 3>need for hearing the.

0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:01.080
<v Speaker 2>We'll go in a breakout room without Hannah and be

0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:05.319
<v Speaker 2>like ex Parte.

0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:06.240
<v Speaker 3>On zoom.

0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:10.799
<v Speaker 2>So Novacs like we got to get the bastard and

0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:11.800
<v Speaker 2>right on time.

0:48:12.000 --> 0:48:13.120
<v Speaker 3>An SBU magic.

0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:16.799
<v Speaker 2>You know, Oliver comes out, Oliver taft mister Scarrett and

0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:17.560
<v Speaker 2>he goes listen.

0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:18.560
<v Speaker 3>I had no knowledge of this.

0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:21.080
<v Speaker 2>If I knew that she had any intention of killing anybody,

0:48:21.080 --> 0:48:23.640
<v Speaker 2>as an officer of the court, I would obviously say something.

0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:26.520
<v Speaker 2>I was just trying to comfort this crying, hysterical woman,

0:48:26.960 --> 0:48:28.920
<v Speaker 2>and I just told her, like, hey, maybe you should

0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 2>see a shrink. And that's like ding ding ding ding

0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:33.480
<v Speaker 2>ding ning ning novacs like, excuse me.

0:48:33.880 --> 0:48:37.520
<v Speaker 1>You told her to get psychiatric help, book her and

0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:40.080
<v Speaker 1>go get taffed on criminal facilitation too.

0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:43.040
<v Speaker 2>He told her to get help, which means he knew

0:48:43.040 --> 0:48:46.400
<v Speaker 2>the poisoning was no accident and she could try it

0:48:46.440 --> 0:48:49.680
<v Speaker 2>again with one of the other kids. And so wow,

0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:52.920
<v Speaker 2>acquitting her gave her the means to do it. So

0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:55.799
<v Speaker 2>him letting her go home gave her the opportunity to

0:48:55.920 --> 0:48:58.640
<v Speaker 2>kill a child. And he knew she was unwell and

0:48:58.680 --> 0:49:02.120
<v Speaker 2>that is why he offered. And he suggested that she

0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:06.960
<v Speaker 2>should go to a shrink. So now another favorite SVU trope.

0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:09.840
<v Speaker 2>They're at a fancy party and they're gonna arrest the

0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:11.640
<v Speaker 2>judge at a black type party in.

0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:14.880
<v Speaker 3>His own home, in his home.

0:49:15.640 --> 0:49:19.279
<v Speaker 2>So Stabler grabs an appetizer and it's a Philo dough

0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:21.480
<v Speaker 2>looking stuffed thing that looks delicious.

0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:23.160
<v Speaker 3>I love you know, I love God.

0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Is that gonna be a round post COVID or we

0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:27.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna be able to snack on trays or what? I know?

0:49:27.760 --> 0:49:30.239
<v Speaker 3>They're better be cannapas after COVID. I need them.

0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:33.360
<v Speaker 2>So, you know, he's at the party and he's like, listen,

0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:36.600
<v Speaker 2>get out of my house. And Stabler goes, honey, Alexis

0:49:36.680 --> 0:49:38.680
<v Speaker 2>is dead and you knew Karen was a danger and

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:41.680
<v Speaker 2>you let her go. And the judge says, this is absurd,

0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:44.239
<v Speaker 2>and Stabler says, you know, we can't arrest you in

0:49:44.280 --> 0:49:46.240
<v Speaker 2>your own home, so why don't you just go outside

0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:47.960
<v Speaker 2>and not make a scene. And he does know the loss,

0:49:47.960 --> 0:49:50.959
<v Speaker 2>so he leaves and Stabler goes, you're gonna look real

0:49:51.080 --> 0:49:54.520
<v Speaker 2>pretty for your mugshots, sweetie, because he's in a suit.

0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:56.479
<v Speaker 1>Wait, why can't they arrest him in his own home?

0:49:56.640 --> 0:49:59.560
<v Speaker 1>You know that's a rule that you have to step out, yeah,

0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:02.120
<v Speaker 1>or if you have like a paid yeah, you have

0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:04.080
<v Speaker 1>to be outside to be arrested. That's what I remember

0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:08.360
<v Speaker 1>in the episode Damaged. You know they trick him out, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:11.640
<v Speaker 1>I just yeah, I think I thought they had a warrant.

0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, or unless they invite you in, but no one

0:50:13.760 --> 0:50:16.040
<v Speaker 2>invited Stabler in. But you're right, why wouldn't they have

0:50:16.080 --> 0:50:18.239
<v Speaker 2>a warrant they he did do it wrongdoing.

0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I think they just just the threat of making the

0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:22.239
<v Speaker 1>scene they knew would be enough to get him to

0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:22.799
<v Speaker 1>come with them.

0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:26.880
<v Speaker 2>So now we're in court and it's Taft versus Novak

0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:32.080
<v Speaker 2>pay per view fight. So the judge on the bench

0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:35.239
<v Speaker 2>is like kind of a he's on top side, and

0:50:35.239 --> 0:50:37.080
<v Speaker 2>he goes, you're making a mockery of the court, and

0:50:37.120 --> 0:50:40.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm throwing this out, and Taft looks really satisfied. So

0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:44.399
<v Speaker 2>charges are dismissed and the judge scolds Casey and puts

0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:47.680
<v Speaker 2>her in her place. So she lost this battle, but

0:50:47.840 --> 0:50:49.240
<v Speaker 2>not the overall journey.

0:50:49.320 --> 0:50:52.239
<v Speaker 3>What is the thing? The war? The war? Yeah, so

0:50:52.520 --> 0:50:53.479
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna keep going.

0:50:54.320 --> 0:50:57.320
<v Speaker 2>So charge is dismissed and the judge is like pissed

0:50:57.480 --> 0:51:00.400
<v Speaker 2>Casey for like, you know, going against the courts rules.

0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:03.240
<v Speaker 2>But Marlo Thomas comes in with some good news and says, hey, girl,

0:51:03.480 --> 0:51:05.880
<v Speaker 2>at least now we have a great witness for Karen's

0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:06.680
<v Speaker 2>murder trial.

0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:09.000
<v Speaker 3>So we'll get justice at the trial.

0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:11.680
<v Speaker 2>So going head to head with the judge didn't work,

0:51:11.920 --> 0:51:13.640
<v Speaker 2>but now they can use him as a witness and

0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:17.440
<v Speaker 2>hopefully manipulate the situation to uncover all the truths at

0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Karen's murder trial. Of her trild that she's strangled to

0:51:21.239 --> 0:51:23.160
<v Speaker 2>death JK suffocated with a pillow.

0:51:23.320 --> 0:51:24.000
<v Speaker 3>Same difference.

0:51:24.080 --> 0:51:27.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So we cut to Novak and she's questioning Taft,

0:51:27.280 --> 0:51:29.680
<v Speaker 2>who's on the stand for Karen's murder trial, and Taft

0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:33.760
<v Speaker 2>is going down. He admits to having this combo. He says, sorry,

0:51:33.760 --> 0:51:37.160
<v Speaker 2>I let my empathy rule over my intellect. We were

0:51:37.160 --> 0:51:39.440
<v Speaker 2>on an elevator, she was crying and upset at her

0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:42.920
<v Speaker 2>daughter's condition, and I ruled she was innocent because you

0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:46.240
<v Speaker 2>didn't provide the right amount of evidence to my liking lady,

0:51:46.320 --> 0:51:50.880
<v Speaker 2>and your skirt wasn't cue JK. He did not say that.

0:51:50.920 --> 0:51:52.920
<v Speaker 2>And so Stabler's in the crowd and he's watching this

0:51:53.000 --> 0:51:55.880
<v Speaker 2>all go down. He's eating popcorn. He's in it, and

0:51:55.920 --> 0:51:58.400
<v Speaker 2>it's like, hold up, did you ever think that maybe

0:51:58.440 --> 0:52:01.720
<v Speaker 2>Karen was responsible for the crime and the daughter's condition?

0:52:02.200 --> 0:52:04.560
<v Speaker 2>And he's like that's irrelevant. She's like, no, it's not.

0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:06.800
<v Speaker 2>We have to know your frame of mind when talking

0:52:06.840 --> 0:52:09.160
<v Speaker 2>to this crying woman. And the judge on the bench

0:52:09.200 --> 0:52:12.400
<v Speaker 2>allows this question, which makes Taft upset, and Casey's like,

0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:15.120
<v Speaker 2>you felt sorry for her before the trial was done,

0:52:15.400 --> 0:52:17.920
<v Speaker 2>so you had opinions about her before all the evidence

0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:20.359
<v Speaker 2>was out. Just admit it, dude, you've gotten got like

0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:23.600
<v Speaker 2>you're done. Yeah, And finally he's like, it was a mistake.

0:52:24.960 --> 0:52:28.160
<v Speaker 2>It's so good. Is that what you want me to say?

0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:31.200
<v Speaker 2>That was a mistake And it's like, yes, that's what

0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:33.759
<v Speaker 2>we've been wanting. We've honestly, we didn't have to go

0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:36.200
<v Speaker 2>to court if you just admitted you were wrong, and

0:52:36.239 --> 0:52:38.520
<v Speaker 2>he goes, what one mistake? I've been on the bench

0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:41.720
<v Speaker 2>for three decades and she goes, one mistake?

0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:43.800
<v Speaker 3>Are you kidding me? What about your girl? Rosalind?

0:52:44.280 --> 0:52:47.120
<v Speaker 2>And Casey is hammering him hard and Taft to standing

0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:49.200
<v Speaker 2>up and trying to object or stop it, but it's like,

0:52:49.239 --> 0:52:50.879
<v Speaker 2>you have no standing here. You're in a little box

0:52:50.880 --> 0:52:54.160
<v Speaker 2>in your witness answer the questions. He's losing it and

0:52:54.200 --> 0:52:56.120
<v Speaker 2>it's like, why talk to her? Why talk to a

0:52:56.160 --> 0:52:58.920
<v Speaker 2>woman who murdered her baby? And he says, I didn't know,

0:52:59.080 --> 0:53:01.480
<v Speaker 2>and she goes didn't know what and he yells, I

0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:04.279
<v Speaker 2>thought they were good people, and the gavel hits and

0:53:04.320 --> 0:53:07.279
<v Speaker 2>they stare each other down and it's incredible. Give this

0:53:07.360 --> 0:53:09.719
<v Speaker 2>man an Emmy and he makes a face that is

0:53:09.760 --> 0:53:12.080
<v Speaker 2>like the whole world is crashing down around him and

0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:14.600
<v Speaker 2>he knows it, and he knows he deserves it. And

0:53:14.640 --> 0:53:18.719
<v Speaker 2>they find the defendant guilty. Go to jail, you child, murderer.

0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:22.760
<v Speaker 2>And Scaret stands up really slowly from the audience section,

0:53:23.040 --> 0:53:26.000
<v Speaker 2>so so slowly, and he's hounded by press and the

0:53:26.000 --> 0:53:29.000
<v Speaker 2>press is chasing him down, and we find out he's

0:53:29.000 --> 0:53:32.440
<v Speaker 2>been demoted down to civil court, not fire just but

0:53:32.520 --> 0:53:35.960
<v Speaker 2>demoted down to civil court. And Stabler and Novak stand

0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:39.359
<v Speaker 2>very smug as Scaret walks briskly through the paparazzi.

0:53:40.600 --> 0:53:40.719
<v Speaker 4>Oo.

0:53:41.239 --> 0:53:42.480
<v Speaker 3>You love to see it.

0:53:42.560 --> 0:53:45.680
<v Speaker 1>You just love to see an old white man get

0:53:45.719 --> 0:53:47.120
<v Speaker 1>his fucking ask.

0:53:47.600 --> 0:53:49.480
<v Speaker 3>It's so satisfying.

0:53:49.800 --> 0:53:52.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like cosplay, porn erotica.

0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:55.480
<v Speaker 3>It's like perfect television.

0:53:55.520 --> 0:53:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Because you think it's over when that other judge is like,

0:53:57.960 --> 0:54:01.160
<v Speaker 1>this is a mockery. You're free to go scare it

0:54:01.280 --> 0:54:04.600
<v Speaker 1>like you know, you'd think it's over and it ain't over.

0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:07.720
<v Speaker 2>And now I'm scared, Like, is the true crime baby killing?

0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:08.720
<v Speaker 3>Is a judge killing?

0:54:08.840 --> 0:54:08.960
<v Speaker 6>Is it?

0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:09.719
<v Speaker 3>All of it is?

0:54:09.960 --> 0:54:12.719
<v Speaker 1>You know? Like yeah, ah, well, as soon as we

0:54:12.800 --> 0:54:28.920
<v Speaker 1>sell you a couple things, you're gonna find out. Okay,

0:54:29.600 --> 0:54:32.640
<v Speaker 1>this case is foot Well, first of all, I want

0:54:32.640 --> 0:54:34.560
<v Speaker 1>to say, I'm surprised you didn't touch on it, Lisa,

0:54:34.600 --> 0:54:37.520
<v Speaker 1>but Novak's hair is wild in this episode. It's like

0:54:37.640 --> 0:54:41.160
<v Speaker 1>red with blonde highlights. Like it's so there's like patchy

0:54:41.239 --> 0:54:44.000
<v Speaker 1>blonde highlights in the red. It's really crazy. So I

0:54:44.000 --> 0:54:46.000
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you noticed, but I didn't.

0:54:46.040 --> 0:54:48.600
<v Speaker 2>I was too distracted by her fierceness.

0:54:49.160 --> 0:54:51.759
<v Speaker 1>But it was in one scene outside maybe it was

0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:53.879
<v Speaker 1>the natural light which was talking to the lawyer from

0:54:53.880 --> 0:54:56.960
<v Speaker 1>the Rosalind case. I was like, what's going on with

0:54:57.000 --> 0:54:59.440
<v Speaker 1>this hair here, girl? But they were obviously in between

0:54:59.560 --> 0:55:02.440
<v Speaker 1>transition her over to full blonde, which comes later. But

0:55:03.120 --> 0:55:06.080
<v Speaker 1>this case that this episode is based on is truly

0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:08.840
<v Speaker 1>wild and it's a lot of similarities. So let me

0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:12.520
<v Speaker 1>just get right into it. Basically, this is about Patricia

0:55:12.760 --> 0:55:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Patti Stallings, who in nineteen eighty six was working at

0:55:16.120 --> 0:55:18.239
<v Speaker 1>a seven to eleven in Saint Louis, Missouri, when she

0:55:18.320 --> 0:55:21.360
<v Speaker 1>met David Stallings, a plate engraver. They got married in

0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:23.520
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty eight, and in nineteen eighty nine they had

0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:27.200
<v Speaker 1>a son named Ryan. Now Ryan, he wasn't very well.

0:55:27.239 --> 0:55:29.880
<v Speaker 1>He couldn't hold down formula, and what I read was

0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:32.000
<v Speaker 1>that he soon began vomiting once a week.

0:55:32.080 --> 0:55:33.200
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, once a week.

0:55:33.480 --> 0:55:36.320
<v Speaker 1>My child was vomiting once a day, if not twice,

0:55:36.400 --> 0:55:38.680
<v Speaker 1>and I was not taking him to a doctor. I

0:55:38.760 --> 0:55:41.640
<v Speaker 1>was just told that that was normal. So anyway, I

0:55:41.680 --> 0:55:43.600
<v Speaker 1>was getting turbo barfed on every day. So I don't

0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:46.520
<v Speaker 1>know what this once a week shit is, but basically

0:55:46.560 --> 0:55:48.200
<v Speaker 1>they said, we kind of got used to it. He

0:55:48.280 --> 0:55:51.600
<v Speaker 1>looked very normal. So then on July seventh, when Ryan

0:55:51.760 --> 0:55:53.960
<v Speaker 1>was three months old. This is July seventh of nineteen

0:55:53.960 --> 0:55:56.799
<v Speaker 1>eighty nine. Ryan is three months old. Patty finds him

0:55:56.800 --> 0:55:59.719
<v Speaker 1>in his crib, staring at the ceiling, heavy breathing. His

0:55:59.840 --> 0:56:03.399
<v Speaker 1>lips are shut tight, it says, so he's something's up.

0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:05.000
<v Speaker 3>He's struggling.

0:56:05.040 --> 0:56:08.960
<v Speaker 1>So she brings him panicked to Cardinal Glennon Children's Hospital,

0:56:09.000 --> 0:56:12.400
<v Speaker 1>where he's put on a respirator for three days. Patty

0:56:12.440 --> 0:56:14.359
<v Speaker 1>and David are like waiting and the doctors are trying

0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:17.160
<v Speaker 1>to figure out what's going on, and then a lot

0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:20.120
<v Speaker 1>of like what happened in Rosalind's case, because really this

0:56:20.239 --> 0:56:22.799
<v Speaker 1>case is based on what happened to Roslin. After the

0:56:22.800 --> 0:56:25.799
<v Speaker 1>three days, the detectives start questioning them like, well, what's

0:56:25.880 --> 0:56:27.880
<v Speaker 1>up with you guys, and asking them a bunch of

0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:30.759
<v Speaker 1>pointed questions, and that's when they realize that they're suspects

0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:35.359
<v Speaker 1>in this crime. Because doctors had found ethylene glycol, which

0:56:35.400 --> 0:56:37.960
<v Speaker 1>is an active ingredient in antifreeze, the same thing they

0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:42.160
<v Speaker 1>found in Rosalin's baby Christine. They had found that in

0:56:42.239 --> 0:56:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Ryan's blood, and the police were sure that the Stallings

0:56:45.280 --> 0:56:49.560
<v Speaker 1>had poisoned Ryan with antifreeze, so they questioned them super aggressively.

0:56:49.600 --> 0:56:51.600
<v Speaker 1>They even tried to turn them against each other, like

0:56:51.640 --> 0:56:54.359
<v Speaker 1>they told David that Patty had failed her lie detector test,

0:56:54.360 --> 0:56:56.520
<v Speaker 1>which was not true, to make him try to doubt

0:56:56.520 --> 0:56:58.799
<v Speaker 1>his wife, like what like he said, He even for

0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:00.719
<v Speaker 1>a second was like, wait a minute, she did, and

0:57:00.760 --> 0:57:03.600
<v Speaker 1>then he was like, never mind, this is she did

0:57:03.640 --> 0:57:04.440
<v Speaker 1>not hurt our child.

0:57:04.880 --> 0:57:07.200
<v Speaker 3>But also everyone should know lie detector tests.

0:57:07.000 --> 0:57:08.919
<v Speaker 1>Are not reliable by now, But I don't know, maybe

0:57:08.960 --> 0:57:12.560
<v Speaker 1>in the eighties people thought they were more real anyway.

0:57:12.600 --> 0:57:15.319
<v Speaker 1>After twelve days in the hospital, the Missouri Division of

0:57:15.320 --> 0:57:18.120
<v Speaker 1>Family Services took custody of Ryan and placed him in

0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:20.720
<v Speaker 1>a foster home. So now David and Patty can only

0:57:20.800 --> 0:57:23.400
<v Speaker 1>see their son Ryan for one hour a week while

0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:25.800
<v Speaker 1>supervised by a social worker, and they're not allowed to

0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:28.919
<v Speaker 1>bring him anything to eat, nothing edible. So this goes

0:57:28.960 --> 0:57:32.280
<v Speaker 1>on for all of July and August, and then during

0:57:32.280 --> 0:57:35.520
<v Speaker 1>a visit on August thirty first, my Birthdatty was oh,

0:57:35.840 --> 0:57:39.120
<v Speaker 1>happy birthday, Lisa, August thirty first of eighty nine, So

0:57:39.120 --> 0:57:44.280
<v Speaker 1>you were just a tiny bibit. And they briefly leave

0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:46.760
<v Speaker 1>Ryan alone with Patty, and she does give him a

0:57:46.800 --> 0:57:49.520
<v Speaker 1>bottle of formula that was prepared by the foster mother,

0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:52.760
<v Speaker 1>and with others present, she fed him the bottle like

0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:56.200
<v Speaker 1>I guess, it's written both places that she was briefly

0:57:56.280 --> 0:57:58.400
<v Speaker 1>left alone, but then all people were there when she

0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:02.040
<v Speaker 1>gave him the bottle. Four days later, Ryan was again

0:58:02.080 --> 0:58:05.680
<v Speaker 1>hospitalized in critical condition at Cardinal Glennon and they thought

0:58:05.720 --> 0:58:09.400
<v Speaker 1>that she poisoned him during this tiny supervised visit, and

0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:12.000
<v Speaker 1>so she was arrested and jailed on a charge of assault,

0:58:12.360 --> 0:58:15.480
<v Speaker 1>leaving David alone to keep the vigil at Ryan's bedside.

0:58:16.200 --> 0:58:19.880
<v Speaker 1>On September seventh, a week later, after being baptized and

0:58:19.880 --> 0:58:22.600
<v Speaker 1>given his last rites, Ryan died in his father's arms

0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:25.280
<v Speaker 1>while his mother was in jail, and Patty was then

0:58:25.400 --> 0:58:26.760
<v Speaker 1>charged with first degree murder.

0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:30.440
<v Speaker 3>Crazy the timing with his bottle is fucked.

0:58:31.120 --> 0:58:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, So while she was waiting for her trial

0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:37.919
<v Speaker 1>for three months, she found out that she was pregnant again,

0:58:38.080 --> 0:58:41.200
<v Speaker 1>much like Rosalind Silvo. She was pregnant when she went

0:58:41.200 --> 0:58:44.040
<v Speaker 1>into jail, so now she finds out she's, you know,

0:58:44.240 --> 0:58:47.120
<v Speaker 1>three or four months pregnant. Her son, DJ was born

0:58:47.160 --> 0:58:50.640
<v Speaker 1>in February of nineteen ninety, a month premature, and was

0:58:50.680 --> 0:58:54.160
<v Speaker 1>immediately put into a foster home, and within two weeks

0:58:54.600 --> 0:58:56.840
<v Speaker 1>it was discovered that DJ had been rushed to the

0:58:56.880 --> 0:59:00.600
<v Speaker 1>hospital with you guessed it, vomiting, heavy breathing, etc. And

0:59:00.680 --> 0:59:06.480
<v Speaker 1>he was diagnosed with methyl malonic acidemia MMA, which is

0:59:06.520 --> 0:59:08.920
<v Speaker 1>a rare genetic disorder in which the body does not

0:59:09.040 --> 0:59:13.440
<v Speaker 1>break down proteins properly. The Stallings thought Ryan must have

0:59:13.440 --> 0:59:16.440
<v Speaker 1>had the same disease, and so did their attorney, Eric Rathbone.

0:59:16.840 --> 0:59:19.680
<v Speaker 1>But during her three day trial, which happened in nineteen

0:59:19.760 --> 0:59:23.280
<v Speaker 1>ninety one, after they already know that DJ has this mma.

0:59:23.920 --> 0:59:27.440
<v Speaker 1>The similarity between Ryan and DJ's illnesses were never introduced

0:59:27.480 --> 0:59:30.960
<v Speaker 1>into court because Rathbone failed to secure an expert medical

0:59:31.000 --> 0:59:36.280
<v Speaker 1>witness what I don't know why. Later it was ruled

0:59:36.280 --> 0:59:40.360
<v Speaker 1>that she received inadequate counsel, So I guess that was

0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:42.920
<v Speaker 1>a later thing that happened. At the time, it was

0:59:42.960 --> 0:59:45.640
<v Speaker 1>like that was never introduced. The prosecutor was this guy

0:59:45.720 --> 0:59:49.080
<v Speaker 1>named George McElroy. He had police and social workers all

0:59:49.120 --> 0:59:52.080
<v Speaker 1>testified that Patty didn't show emotion when she found out

0:59:52.120 --> 0:59:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Ryan was dead, which is a thing they always use

0:59:54.600 --> 0:59:56.560
<v Speaker 1>against women. You know how, I went to college with

0:59:56.600 --> 1:00:00.560
<v Speaker 1>this girl whose husband disappeared on their honeymoon and cruise

1:00:01.080 --> 1:00:05.640
<v Speaker 1>he was killed. I did this as my hometown murder

1:00:05.640 --> 1:00:09.240
<v Speaker 1>on my favorite murder like episode, like fifteen or something. Literally,

1:00:09.440 --> 1:00:12.640
<v Speaker 1>this girl got dragged through the mud because she wasn't

1:00:12.720 --> 1:00:15.439
<v Speaker 1>running around rigging her hands and crying to the sky,

1:00:15.600 --> 1:00:17.640
<v Speaker 1>like I think. People deal with trauma in different ways,

1:00:17.680 --> 1:00:19.680
<v Speaker 1>and you don't have to like be having in a

1:00:19.720 --> 1:00:23.160
<v Speaker 1>full breakdown mode to be innocent of a crime, and

1:00:23.240 --> 1:00:25.400
<v Speaker 1>like that, women get that a lot, not being not

1:00:25.480 --> 1:00:27.760
<v Speaker 1>being the perfect victim not acting the correct way.

1:00:27.920 --> 1:00:30.880
<v Speaker 2>And we learned this with the Colleens standcase, where it's like,

1:00:30.960 --> 1:00:33.040
<v Speaker 2>if you're too hysterical.

1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:35.160
<v Speaker 3>With the police, they might not believe you.

1:00:35.760 --> 1:00:38.320
<v Speaker 2>But then if you're too composed, you're not emotional enough

1:00:38.360 --> 1:00:39.240
<v Speaker 2>and they don't believe you.

1:00:39.520 --> 1:00:43.919
<v Speaker 3>So it's like there's no winning. Yeah, So it's like God.

1:00:45.000 --> 1:00:48.200
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, poor Patty gets testified against by police and

1:00:48.280 --> 1:00:50.800
<v Speaker 1>social workers that she wasn't, you know, sad enough when

1:00:50.800 --> 1:00:52.520
<v Speaker 1>she found out her son had died, probably because she.

1:00:52.520 --> 1:00:55.560
<v Speaker 3>Was like, what the fuck is happening? I didn't do anything.

1:00:56.760 --> 1:01:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Investigators produced one bottle of anti freeze from the stallin

1:01:00.200 --> 1:01:02.800
<v Speaker 1>home as evidence, whereas I feel like every home in

1:01:02.840 --> 1:01:04.520
<v Speaker 1>America has a bottle of into fries in it, so

1:01:04.560 --> 1:01:07.880
<v Speaker 1>that that doesn't seem like evidence to me. But McElroy

1:01:07.920 --> 1:01:11.240
<v Speaker 1>said nothing could explain the ethylene gly call found in Ryan.

1:01:11.600 --> 1:01:13.800
<v Speaker 1>It took the jury only ten hours to find Patty

1:01:13.840 --> 1:01:15.960
<v Speaker 1>guilty of first jgree murder and she was sentenced to

1:01:16.000 --> 1:01:17.080
<v Speaker 1>life without parole.

1:01:18.360 --> 1:01:19.240
<v Speaker 3>So then.

1:01:20.680 --> 1:01:24.760
<v Speaker 1>The chairman of biochemistry at Saint Louis University, his name

1:01:24.800 --> 1:01:29.920
<v Speaker 1>is William sly cool name, sees this case on unsolved

1:01:30.000 --> 1:01:33.760
<v Speaker 1>motherfucking mysteries. That is how he finds out about this,

1:01:34.480 --> 1:01:37.080
<v Speaker 1>and he sees it and goes, this kid had MMA.

1:01:37.200 --> 1:01:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Probably he suspected Ryan might have had MMA, just like

1:01:40.160 --> 1:01:43.240
<v Speaker 1>his brother, and he contacts James Shoemaker, who is the

1:01:43.240 --> 1:01:48.440
<v Speaker 1>director of the same university's metabolic screening lab. After testing

1:01:48.520 --> 1:01:52.360
<v Speaker 1>frozen samples of Ryan's blood serum, Shoemaker found evidence that

1:01:52.480 --> 1:01:57.680
<v Speaker 1>Ryan did have MMA, and original lab reports finding lethal

1:01:57.720 --> 1:02:01.240
<v Speaker 1>concentrations of ethylene gly call in Ryan's blood were incorrect

1:02:01.280 --> 1:02:05.480
<v Speaker 1>and based on faulty data. So they told their findings

1:02:05.480 --> 1:02:09.280
<v Speaker 1>to McElroy, who asked them to find an expert in MMA.

1:02:10.120 --> 1:02:13.440
<v Speaker 1>So they go and they find doctor Piero Ronaldo, an

1:02:13.440 --> 1:02:16.760
<v Speaker 1>assistant professor of genetics at Yale, who studied this case

1:02:16.800 --> 1:02:20.680
<v Speaker 1>for six weeks and his own tests discovered that Ryan

1:02:20.720 --> 1:02:23.800
<v Speaker 1>died of MMA and that the scientific findings used to

1:02:23.840 --> 1:02:29.200
<v Speaker 1>convict Patty were grossly inaccurate. Ronaldo said, technically speaking, I've

1:02:29.280 --> 1:02:32.200
<v Speaker 1>never seen such lousy work. It was a classic case

1:02:32.240 --> 1:02:37.160
<v Speaker 1>of misdiagnosis. So after doctor Rinaldo gave McElroy a determination,

1:02:37.760 --> 1:02:40.680
<v Speaker 1>McElroy in a move which is actually wild, I feel

1:02:40.680 --> 1:02:43.480
<v Speaker 1>like evil prosecutors are all over the place. He actually

1:02:43.520 --> 1:02:47.600
<v Speaker 1>asked the county Circuit judge to dismiss the murder charge.

1:02:47.720 --> 1:02:51.360
<v Speaker 1>So after serving fourteen months in prison, Patty is released,

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<v Speaker 1>which in the show it's ten years, so thankfully in

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<v Speaker 1>real life it was only fourteen months. But Patty was

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<v Speaker 1>released in July of nineteen ninety one pending a new trial,

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<v Speaker 1>and two months later in September, they completely dropped the

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<v Speaker 1>case against her and apologize, they said, quote McElroy said,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't undo the suffering the Stallings have endured during

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<v Speaker 1>this ordeal, and I apologize. I hope their lives will

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<v Speaker 1>be happier and fuller in the future.

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<v Speaker 3>Fucked up.

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<v Speaker 1>Stallings said that she lost a lot of weight due

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<v Speaker 1>to the stress of being imprisoned, but that her Buddhist

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<v Speaker 1>faith helped her to keep strong during that time. She

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<v Speaker 1>sued the hospital and laboratories that were involved in Ryan's

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<v Speaker 1>care and reached an out of court settlement which I

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<v Speaker 1>read with several million dollars and extremely graceful. Much like

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<v Speaker 1>you were pointing out about Becky in the episode, like

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<v Speaker 1>she was very chill. She wasn't like super pissed or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>This woman said, I have never really been angry, I

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<v Speaker 1>am more damaged. So the Stallings were reunited with DJ,

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<v Speaker 1>and given his MMA, colds and flus could be really

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<v Speaker 1>life threatening to DJ. So they had to really carefully

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<v Speaker 1>like live with DJ. And they said, we're moving cautiously forward.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't want to make plans. Life is too short,

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<v Speaker 1>and Patty later said, I thought this was interesting. Patty

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<v Speaker 1>later said that she thought her case might have been

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<v Speaker 1>influenced by the case of Paula Simms, who was a

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<v Speaker 1>woman convicted in the same time period, like in these

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<v Speaker 1>exact same years of killing her infant daughters in Illinois.

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<v Speaker 3>And this woman.

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<v Speaker 1>Paula had killed like I believe her first baby was

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<v Speaker 1>like eighteen months and then the other one was only

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<v Speaker 1>six weeks and she killed them both separately. She later

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<v Speaker 1>said she had like postpartum psychosis and that the husband

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want these babies and that's why she killed them,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it was like really fucked up. But she's

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<v Speaker 1>in jail for life anyway. Their live, the lives of

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<v Speaker 1>the Stallings do not go well. Unsurprisingly, trauma, as we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about many times, informs every moment of people's lives. Sadly, DJ,

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<v Speaker 1>the brother died in twenty thirteen, at the age of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three. I literally scoured everywhere and I could not

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<v Speaker 1>find out where how he died. But he did die

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<v Speaker 1>at age twenty t Patty and David got divorced, and

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<v Speaker 1>then David died. After remarrying and having more children with

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<v Speaker 1>subsequent wives, he died in twenty nineteen after a long illness.

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<v Speaker 1>I could not find a single thing about what Patricia

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<v Speaker 1>is up to these days, like there is nothing recent

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<v Speaker 1>about how she is. But I was on the Unsolved

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<v Speaker 1>Mysteries website and there was a full article about this,

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<v Speaker 1>and then in the comments below there was like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of conversation happening in the comments. Someone on the

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<v Speaker 1>forum claiming to be Mara Stallings, who is one of

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<v Speaker 1>David's daughters from a previous a subsequent marriage, was responding

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<v Speaker 1>to comments on this again that this is unverified, but

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<v Speaker 1>she was speaking as if she was the daughter of

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<v Speaker 1>David Stallings, And someone responded semon asked like, oh, like,

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<v Speaker 1>is it true DJ died and she said yes, he

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<v Speaker 1>was my brother and I was eight years old and

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<v Speaker 1>my dad died last year. None of us have heard

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<v Speaker 1>from her in probably over twenty years, meaning Patty. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think what happened was she left DJ with her

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<v Speaker 1>ex husband and she just fully disappeared. So like, no

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<v Speaker 1>one knows what's up with Patricia Stallings. I did like

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty thorough search. I found obituaries for women that

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<v Speaker 1>are not her named Patty Stallings, and it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>I think maybe she was just too traumatized by what

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<v Speaker 1>happened and like couldn't be but DJ grew up with

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<v Speaker 1>his father and step siblings until he passed. Wow, And

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea what's up with Patricia or Patty Stallings,

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<v Speaker 1>but I hope she's doing Okay, Yeah, and that's the story.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, thank you, Well you're welcome. It sucks, and what's

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<v Speaker 3>this disease?

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<v Speaker 1>And god, well, it's like you said, like nowadays there's

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<v Speaker 1>technology that this doesn't happen anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Now the testing is more decisive, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I hope this won't happen again to some

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<v Speaker 1>poor mom who's just like as a kid with a

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<v Speaker 1>rare disorder.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, thank you for doing that. I can't wait for

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<v Speaker 2>our guests. Guys are gonna be excited.

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<v Speaker 3>I know it's too much.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so very personally obsessed with today's guests, because

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<v Speaker 1>I have just seen him in so many things. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been obsessed with him when he was in a show

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<v Speaker 1>called Picket Fences. Also, he's Shelby's father, and Steele Magnolius

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite movies of all time. He's been

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<v Speaker 1>in more than forty movies and over two hundred television shows.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys, he is just so prolific and such a

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<v Speaker 1>wise man, and we were so lucky to talk to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Please check out our conversation with Judge Oliver Taft aka

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Scarett. So you live in the Pacific Northwest or

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<v Speaker 1>Seattle area or we wanted to ask you what made

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<v Speaker 1>you did You used to live in la and just

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<v Speaker 1>decided that wasn't for you, Or New York and decided

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<v Speaker 1>that you wanted to be sort of a New York.

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<v Speaker 5>I could have handled.

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<v Speaker 7>I went to use cla and wanted to be a

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<v Speaker 7>writer and wound up acting only because I want to

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<v Speaker 7>know what it felt like to act. That's because you've

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<v Speaker 7>got to feel the stuff out. You can't explain it.

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<v Speaker 7>You can't learn it any other way other than sticking

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<v Speaker 7>your foot into a pile of mud to know what

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<v Speaker 7>it is and some aspects of Los Angeles were not

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<v Speaker 7>made me comfortable. So I had to get up here

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<v Speaker 7>because everywhere I look is just a creative input. And

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<v Speaker 7>they live in that kind of a place where you

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<v Speaker 7>have trees and water and eagles flying around and be

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<v Speaker 7>able to look at someone's dock and they've got an

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<v Speaker 7>otter has climbed up there, and you know, all this

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<v Speaker 7>variety of stuff that feeds the imagination in a way

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<v Speaker 7>that creatives need to have a frame of reference. And

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<v Speaker 7>there's a larger frame of reference here than there is

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<v Speaker 7>in Seattle and Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we'll start with the SBU episode, one of our

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<v Speaker 2>top favorites. You play one of the biggest villains I

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<v Speaker 2>would say in SBU history.

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<v Speaker 3>Really yeah, he boils our blow.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he told you know, Casey to wear a

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<v Speaker 2>skirt that really bothered us. But did you draw from

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<v Speaker 2>any real life inspiration? How did you come up with

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<v Speaker 2>this guy?

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<v Speaker 7>You know, your whole life informs you, and I don't

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<v Speaker 7>think you free determined when you're being hired to play

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<v Speaker 7>an actor, play a character that you really know how

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<v Speaker 7>you're going to do it, And I don't analyze this stuff.

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<v Speaker 7>And the minute you start thinking about how you're going

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<v Speaker 7>to do it. You're in trouble. You have to wear

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<v Speaker 7>a suit that just sort of fits from all the

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<v Speaker 7>other scum. And if it's playing a bad guy, that

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<v Speaker 7>you have personalities that you really found annoying, that you

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<v Speaker 7>did not want to be around is sort of what

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<v Speaker 7>you find in some way in the language that you're reading,

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<v Speaker 7>the dialogue that you're given, and you don't paint an image.

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<v Speaker 7>You just do what you do, which seems to be

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<v Speaker 7>a reflection and some other character that you spent some

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<v Speaker 7>time with and you did not want to be with them.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll say, yes, there's a specific person in mind.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, no short answers from this guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked to some actors and they were saying that

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be empathetic to your character to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to play him or her and be able to

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<v Speaker 2>truly understand them. Or can you hate your character and

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<v Speaker 2>still play them, or do you really have to understand them?

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<v Speaker 5>I know about all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 7>All I know is that you just the minute you

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<v Speaker 7>have to analyze that, the minutes you start thinking you

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<v Speaker 7>got a problem.

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<v Speaker 5>So how I got there? I don't know. Okay, the mirror.

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<v Speaker 7>Of bad behavior that I've seen in other people, and

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<v Speaker 7>politicians in particular. You just know, this is just extraordinary

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<v Speaker 7>for this person to say that I'm behaving that way,

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<v Speaker 7>and I know what they really are like and what

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<v Speaker 7>the ill use of important positions such as a judge

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<v Speaker 7>or politician is usually for men, if I may say

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<v Speaker 7>this for the ladies, we're driven by ego, and you

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<v Speaker 7>guys know about community, and this is with that character.

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<v Speaker 5>I know the.

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<v Speaker 7>Ego of men, and I have grown out of that

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<v Speaker 7>a long time ago and find that it's more interesting

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<v Speaker 7>to listen to what other people have to say about anything.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, I'm in fact, that's right, I see right now,

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<v Speaker 7>and I'd rather hear you guys talk.

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<v Speaker 2>I was wondering if you've always been so chill and

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<v Speaker 2>always been able to enjoy the process and your career,

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<v Speaker 2>or is that come with experience.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that comes.

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<v Speaker 7>With experience, and you probably know that. I'm a lucky man.

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<v Speaker 7>I mentored with guys were not famous, and they were

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<v Speaker 7>all filmmakers. Robert Allman, hal Ashby, Ridley Scott herb Ross.

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<v Speaker 7>I did two films with him, once Steve Magnoia's and

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<v Speaker 7>The Ballet Turning Point, which was a great ballet movie.

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<v Speaker 5>Both of them.

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<v Speaker 7>Had you know, acknowledgements with Academy Awards and all that.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, these are good filmmakers and these are just guys.

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<v Speaker 7>I got to know who i'd listened to and are

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<v Speaker 7>talking to an ad or an actor or whatever you

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<v Speaker 7>learn from listening and see the patterns that the actors

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<v Speaker 7>may fail at or exceed.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and the scenes with you and Diane Neal, who

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<v Speaker 2>plays Casey Novak were so good. You guys had such

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<v Speaker 2>awesome icy interactions. Was that Do you remember working with

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<v Speaker 2>her that day or any memories we.

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<v Speaker 5>Honestly, I have done so much.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, I remember the people, but it I don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 7>remember the interplay. The interplay is like you know, warning

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<v Speaker 7>of fire, and you got the fire going, the fire

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<v Speaker 7>prints outation you know at an end. So it's a

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<v Speaker 7>fire in what you're doing. And the creative process does

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<v Speaker 7>not linger in a conscious way. It may be something

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<v Speaker 7>you've drawn subconsciously when you need it as an artist,

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<v Speaker 7>whatever the media may be. Because I paint under other

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<v Speaker 7>things creatively. So I can't keep all that in my

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<v Speaker 7>head of specific memories of other than laughing a lot

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<v Speaker 7>when I mean mash the movie a long time ago,

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<v Speaker 7>and I've never had fun in my life in a

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<v Speaker 7>whole production of a film, But I remember playing this

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<v Speaker 7>icy carry to this not somebody I particularly want to

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<v Speaker 7>be friends with, who would not want to be friends

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<v Speaker 7>with me either, this judge.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you had to be pretty harsh with a little

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<v Speaker 3>girl too.

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<v Speaker 1>You had I don't know if you remember your interplay,

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<v Speaker 1>but you had a little with the little girl you were.

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<v Speaker 7>Because I'm I always kind of have to qualify. I

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<v Speaker 7>don't want to scare them. Uh, it's just saying, honey,

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<v Speaker 7>how you doing? And I'm I'm gonna be Can I

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<v Speaker 7>pretend to be a mean guy?

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<v Speaker 5>Do you?

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<v Speaker 7>And they just look at me like what am I

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<v Speaker 7>talking about? But if I go boo? Is that scary you? No,

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<v Speaker 7>that's it's all afraid pretend and they kind of get

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<v Speaker 7>it as much as they possibly can.

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<v Speaker 1>And you've done so many roles and played so many

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<v Speaker 1>different kinds of characters. But if you were to come

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<v Speaker 1>back to SVU, let's just imagine they're bringing you back,

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of part would you love to play?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh? When it doesn't offend me?

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<v Speaker 3>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just amazing to see someone be able to

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<v Speaker 2>do something that they love and do it so well

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<v Speaker 2>for as long as you have and your newest in

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<v Speaker 2>East of the Mountains getting a lot of positive attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that an enjoyable experience? We can't wait to watch it.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, if you haven't seen, it's a very engaging film.

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<v Speaker 7>It's very simple way forward.

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<v Speaker 3>We can't wait.

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<v Speaker 1>So what what's your Do you have anything of acting

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<v Speaker 1>wise that's like coming up for you? Like now East

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<v Speaker 1>of the Mountains is out, or is there something you're

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<v Speaker 1>working on coming up?

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<v Speaker 7>Or well I did something recently over there with a

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<v Speaker 7>friend who runs a company called North by the Northwest.

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<v Speaker 7>It's over in Spokane, and and Sony came in and

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<v Speaker 7>asked him with this company to do a series sixth

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<v Speaker 7>series thing on their streaming channel. So a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>what we're talking about is a new industry, which is streaming.

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<v Speaker 7>Our inexpensive film. So all these big wastes that have

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<v Speaker 7>been going out over a period of years and ninety

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<v Speaker 7>two budget films and so on and so forth, are

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<v Speaker 7>they're not going to exist.

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<v Speaker 5>And hears to come.

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<v Speaker 7>They have to bring everything down quite a bit, so budgets,

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<v Speaker 7>everything has to come back to reality.

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<v Speaker 5>So this guy and I have put it together.

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<v Speaker 7>Different communities in Idaho too, Boise a little places are

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<v Speaker 7>doing low budget stuff to put on streaming channels. So

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<v Speaker 7>we're building a company to do that, to do interesting

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<v Speaker 7>stuff that's cool. Yeah, guys like David Goodison a road

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<v Speaker 7>snow falling on cedars and East of the Mountains is

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<v Speaker 7>a friend.

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<v Speaker 5>We did this thing because.

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<v Speaker 7>Six years ago it was we were already having coffee

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<v Speaker 7>or whatever it was, and he said, Jesus, if I

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<v Speaker 7>ever do East.

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<v Speaker 5>Of the Months, I like you to play this guy.

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<v Speaker 5>And I said, I'd be wonderful.

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<v Speaker 7>But we have to do it up here, and we

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<v Speaker 7>have to utilize it as impossible as an example of

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<v Speaker 7>what we can do here in this community.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, our producer Hannah, who you met at the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>that that's her uncle who wrote East of the Mountains.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, David's my uncle.

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<v Speaker 6>My mom is Mary Gudersen, and David is I grew

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<v Speaker 6>up on Bambridge Island with them.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, yeah, wonderful. I hope you get over there and

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<v Speaker 7>see them. I haven't seen them since Covid.

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<v Speaker 6>Well I saw. I watched East of the Mountains this week.

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<v Speaker 6>It was phenomenal. You were unbelievable. And if you go

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<v Speaker 6>to page eighty two of the book I Am on It,

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<v Speaker 6>it says Hannah Crichton, I made him put me in

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<v Speaker 6>a book. So we're both in East of the Mountains.

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<v Speaker 6>Just so you know, it was great. You were unbelievable, truly.

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<v Speaker 5>Good for us, Yeah, good for us.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, that's a nice, nice experience and just getting your

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<v Speaker 7>head down and who you are in that film, being

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<v Speaker 7>who you are, being that who that is.

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<v Speaker 3>That was cool. Wow. I want to be with it,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had back to back guests that are like in

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<v Speaker 2>their eighties and crushing it at life and working and

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<v Speaker 2>it's really it's beautiful and impressive to see, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>when you follow your passion, it keeps you young, keeps

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<v Speaker 2>you thriving, keeps.

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<v Speaker 1>You wanting wistom of age. You don't need to be

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<v Speaker 1>where you don't want to be. You gotta go.

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<v Speaker 3>Where you feel like the creedive juices are flowing. It's good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. What's the post mortem on this episode? What did

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<v Speaker 1>we learn that judges or assholes too?

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<v Speaker 2>That judges should not be lifetime appointments, They should not

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<v Speaker 2>be appointed by the president. We should be voting them

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<v Speaker 2>all in what the fuck is going on? These people

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<v Speaker 2>are not immune to shit, and we need to do

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<v Speaker 2>a deep dive into the country's judges. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how to it's I don't but like it needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be a full blown audit. I know, for last

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<v Speaker 2>time when I was voting, I like went through all

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<v Speaker 2>the judges and there was horrific, insane stuff going on

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<v Speaker 2>with them, and it's like, yeah, it's hard.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to be so.

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<v Speaker 2>Vigilant and on top of it, it's like a full

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<v Speaker 2>time job to change the world, and that's how they

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<v Speaker 2>keep us so fucking busy, like and so self focused

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<v Speaker 2>that we're not doing this stuff. But it is just scary,

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<v Speaker 2>and to think about all the kids and people that

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<v Speaker 2>are in jail unfairly, it's scary. I guess my takeaway

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<v Speaker 2>is like, it's fucking scary if you're not a rich white.

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<v Speaker 3>Person in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, judges have too much power and uh also apparently

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of them have affinities for white moms that

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<v Speaker 1>will still kill their kids. Although I will say in

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<v Speaker 1>the real case, it was nice to see that there

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<v Speaker 1>was like a prosecutor that did the right thing and

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<v Speaker 1>was like we got to dismiss this.

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<v Speaker 3>We fucked up, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but if that guy didn't watch Unsolved Mysteries, she would.

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<v Speaker 3>Still be riting in jail.

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<v Speaker 1>And thank god that Unsolved Mysteries. Thank god the media

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<v Speaker 1>kind of has a little bit of power sometimes where

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<v Speaker 1>it can get the word out to people. And that

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<v Speaker 1>her story was discovered by these experts, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's and then also like conclude, think, god, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm thankful for science and that there's research in

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<v Speaker 2>and so now hopefully people are not being falsely convicted

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<v Speaker 2>for poisoning their children when they're not being poisoned. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe we can cure this weird pro teen disease.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, So that's pretty sad. Also I'm learning

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe DA's are fully hopped up on coke and

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<v Speaker 2>speed and writing reports at all times.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I mean, we do a lot of research,

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<v Speaker 1>so I am typing a lot, but like having to,

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't imagine the amount of documents.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I learned how many documents lawyers work with. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's more than I thought. It's not great.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of emotions, A lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Of emotions, A lot of thick paperwork files that look

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<v Speaker 1>like the QD report.

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<v Speaker 3>And also I didn't know that you can wave a jury.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know either. Kyle Rittenhouse should have done that.

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<v Speaker 3>You can just be like I put it in the

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<v Speaker 3>judge's hands. I didn't know you could do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder, like why people would choose to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that you might do that maybe in a

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<v Speaker 1>case that was really publicized where you feel like everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>biased against you, and like maybe the judge will like

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<v Speaker 1>really consider the facts of the case.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this is another thing with the judges.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like you assume these judges are always lean conservative,

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<v Speaker 2>Like who wants to be a judge?

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<v Speaker 3>Not a cool person? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Like do cool ass bros that have

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<v Speaker 2>some like beers on a boat on the weekend, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>do they want to be judges?

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<v Speaker 1>You're literally describing Judge Kavanaugh like talking about having beers

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<v Speaker 1>with his homies and his.

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<v Speaker 3>Fucking Supreme Court coming. Oh my god. Lol.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he's a he's a rapist to me before

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<v Speaker 1>he's a judge.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's true. That's his headline.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think we learned as usual, do not fuck

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<v Speaker 1>with Casey novak, she will, yes fucking come for you,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you're a judge.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, damn, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like bleak, dude, I'm not And it's winter,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, It's like it's winter blues. It's winter blues.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the Yeah, I don't know. Why don't we split

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<v Speaker 2>up the holidays. It's kind of annoying. They're all squished together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, squished together, and then like January February March is

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<v Speaker 1>like a just a long slog of nothing to look

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<v Speaker 1>forward to, like Saint Patrick's Day.

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<v Speaker 3>I love Valentine's Day, though, I mean, okay, I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I like conversation hearts, Yeah, I like the candy, I

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<v Speaker 1>like the color scheme.

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<v Speaker 3>I love hearts. I mean I have so many hearts

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<v Speaker 3>tattooed on me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a true it is a thing I enjoy aesthetically.

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<v Speaker 2>I've only Yeah, whatever, let's get going. What are we

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<v Speaker 2>doing next week?

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get going. This week's what would Sister peg Do?

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<v Speaker 1>Is our weekly segment where we direct you, guys towards organizations, articles, books,

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of resource that will help you better understand

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<v Speaker 1>what we touched on today. In light of the case

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<v Speaker 1>of Patty Patricia Stallings that we talked about today. We

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<v Speaker 1>would like to highlight this week the Innocence Project, which

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<v Speaker 1>is www dot Innocenceproject dot org. They try to bring

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<v Speaker 1>reform to the system that is responsible for unjust imprisonment,

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<v Speaker 1>and we all know that that's very important, especially now

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<v Speaker 1>with hundreds of thousands of people probably in jail for

1:23:05.400 --> 1:23:08.839
<v Speaker 1>wrong reasons. On their website there are ways to get involved,

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<v Speaker 1>like donating, starting fundraisers, signing petitions, inviting xoneries to speak.

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<v Speaker 1>What an inspiring idea to come to your next like

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<v Speaker 1>zoom Christmas party or something. Have somebody that's been exonerated

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<v Speaker 1>come speak. And you can find your local organization and

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<v Speaker 1>sign up for volunteer opportunities. So check out Innocenceproject dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, and a quick reminder, it is Britney Spears's

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<v Speaker 2>birthday on December twod this Thursday, so if you guys

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<v Speaker 2>want to celebrate her birthday and then next week we

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<v Speaker 2>have a fun celebration. It's our one year anniversary episode. No,

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<v Speaker 2>that was not a sound effect button, that was my mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>We're doing a big one, guys. I think you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be excited. We're watching Pure season six, Episode eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Get into it, Peacock, Lulu, your local library, and we

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<v Speaker 2>will see you next week for our one year anniversary. Yay,

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