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Speaker 1: the next few years. But I'm gonna keep those personal

431
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: thoughts to myself right now. But you know, it was

432
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: just um what has been published, including in my book

433
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: and then um, some technical articles that I've written in

434
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: one very important article that was written in the Marine

435
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: corpsissett by the battalion commander second time the Marines. Um,

436
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: they it was just it was it was a command

437
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: chain breakdown, uh, and so many different levels. It was just, Um,

438
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: there's so much. I mean, we we can talk for

439
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: hours about this, from the aviation aspect of it, from

440
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: the initial planning of it, from the egos side of it.

441
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: But there's there's really one particular guy that all this

442
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: falls on the shoulders of. I won't say his name,

443
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,239
Speaker 1: but I'm sure there's some people out there who know.

444
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: I think I know who you're talking about to Ed,

445
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: and I mean this, this person is involved in floating um,

446
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: heroic narratives and more than one incident yep, yep, Takagar

447
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: Robert's rich yep, yep, yep. And so so they take

448
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: they take naval failures and spin them into these like

449
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: heroic Hollywood scripts yep. And I'm not going to speak

450
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: to anything well on my it's a little bit too secondarly,

451
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: just don't even go there. But it's, um, you know

452
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: who I'm talking about, and um, you know, let's just

453
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: leave it at this. And there's gonna be there's gonna

454
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: be more on the Red Wings. There's gonna be more

455
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: stuff on Red Wings. So I'm working one project right

456
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: this second. Um, I'm no, I'm happy actually with the Ranger.

457
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: With an army Ranger, Okay, Yeah, the two seven five

458
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: guys that were involved, Yeah, and I was gonna sell

459
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: your friend and Leo Jenkins was one of them, and

460
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: didn't he write a piece for futing went on Jenkins

461
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: was three seven five. He was in my battalion and

462
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: he was one of the guys that was spun up

463
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: after it happened, and they quickly rushed them into Afghanistan.

464
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: UM to help search for Latrell. Yeah, because I remember

465
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: him writing a piece for you know about him refuting

466
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: some of the stuff in the Lone Survivor movie. Yeah,

467
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah. The Rangers also came to the conclusion

468
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: that there wasn't some massive firefight with hundreds of people

469
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: fairly quickly. Oh yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm trying to

470
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: try to be as careful about this as possible, but

471
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: there was no five five six brass found. And I

472
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: you know that we've already we've already published that in

473
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: UM in the Newsweek article. You're talking in the Newsweek

474
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: article is that Latrow had all eleven magazines with them

475
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: and they all were filmed with rounds. So I read

476
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: that article. I remember that we had Pat McNamara on

477
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: twice this year, awesome interview both times. But the last

478
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: time he was on, we talked a lot of metal

479
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: and it was fun with my friend from Sirius XM

480
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: Sean the Butcher who's the voice of Ozzy's Bone Yard.

481
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: You also hear him on Liquid Metal, but this is

482
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: from episode three thirty six, the first time Pat was

483
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: on and we got into some military stuff, so this

484
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: is from that. This is an excerpt of Pat talking

485
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: about a Halo jump story and also some other stories

486
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: that we got from our friend in Delta Forest, George

487
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: hand check it out. I asked George. I was like,

488
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: what should we ask Pat? Um? He mentioned some story

489
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: about UM, oh, what was it? Somebody going right through

490
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: your suspension lines on a Halo jump. Yeah, dude, see George,

491
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: George and I go way back. I'm talking eighty four,

492
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: eighty five, and plus we went to selection together. We

493
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: went to combat dive school together. UM. I mean, so

494
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: a good and bad thing about a guy like that

495
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: is he's seen you at your best, but he's also

496
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: stealing at your worst. That's anything embarrassing You don't have

497
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: to answer, of course. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no,

498
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: this was uh It's I was this close to retiring

499
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: and um wanted to get one more uh jump in

500
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: just to stay current. And in order to do that,

501
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: it was like an ash and trash jump, you know,

502
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: where you had to strap hang with a bunch of

503
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: freaking people you don't know. Um and uh, which freaking

504
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: hay because I loved free fall and doing MMF with

505
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: guys I know, because uh, well people you trust, it's yeah,

506
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: it's it's dangerous. You could die intoing that ship. Um.

507
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: So I got on this pay her jump and um

508
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: there was this gal who is who is on Halo

509
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: status and she sat on the plane next to me,

510
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: and this is all the way up by the cock

511
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: and I'm going, oh my god, because I knew she

512
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: was souper sandwich. I knew she was a football bat,

513
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: that she was a shit eating turnip, that she was

514
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: a chicken wire canoe hockey cleef. And so I broke

515
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: protocol and I achieved separation in the aircraft. Uh. And

516
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: I walked all the way down to the tailgate and

517
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: buddy of mine was JM And and I said, hey, Sam, uh,

518
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: if you want, I could poise out or I could

519
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: poise out and you guys can dock on me. Because

520
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: my free fall skills were really good because I had

521
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: like six hundred jumps at the time. Uh. And he

522
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,479
Speaker 1: was okay, good, and we're short final. So I'm standing

523
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: on the ramp looking down, he's doing his last commands.

524
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: And I turned around to look in the aircraft and

525
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: this freaking chick achieved separate. She she closes the gap

526
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: in the aircraft. She walked all the way up and

527
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: I'll face to face with her. So I look at

528
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: saying and I said, Sam, scratch the poise. I'm gonna

529
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: dive out. He goes, all right, He's so freaking confused

530
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: at that point. So I dive out and I am

531
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: tracking man, I am freaking who I am getting away

532
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: from that aircraft because this is probably my last jump um,

533
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: So I am boogy man, I'm full delta, I am boogying.

534
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: Put on the brake, spooge, and I turned around and

535
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: here comes this freaking chick right at me because she's

536
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: flying like this, one hand or her basically facing the

537
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: altimeter and hand on rip cord. So she's in a

538
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: full track and she doesn't even know it, and she's

539
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: not paying attention, completely oblivious to her surround me. So

540
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: I freaking I back with her boom and I give

541
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: her one of these and I said pay you know,

542
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: basically pay attention, and she gives me a nod, and

543
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: I booge I achieved separation again. I'm booking man and

544
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: I'm looking out the inter checking check and check and

545
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: checking wave off. Nothing. I deployed my SHOOTE and like

546
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: seconds after that, I deploy because I'm trying to break

547
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: the U. I'll get the brakes out. And I felt something,

548
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, I felt my shoe wobble or whatever, but

549
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: I couldn't see anything because my arms were up like this.

550
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: Uh So I I go into my uh my cannopy

551
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: check my um um, what's it called, my your four

552
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: point controllability checks and I'm looking up and I got

553
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: closed end cells on one side and I'm like, huh,

554
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: I've never had closed end cells before. That's weird. Um

555
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, well, do I cut away? You know

556
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: you've got to, You've only got this much time to

557
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: think about it. Uh So I'm looking at the ultimate.

558
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: I'm going I'm at I'll wait another five feet and

559
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: it's still controllable. And now I'm at two thousand. I go,

560
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: I'll wait till it's still still growing away if it's

561
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: a piece of ship, and uh but it was controllable,

562
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: and I end up landing right on um, right right

563
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: in the pit area, and one of the guys from

564
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: the uh that the riggers, one of the riggers. He

565
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: caught my shoot before it hit the ground because they

566
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: saw me coming in with the end cells and he's

567
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: inspecting it and he goes, holy shit, and there was

568
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: a freaking gigantic hole in this thing. And I'm thinking,

569
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: what in the hell And here it comes this freaking

570
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: chick with her gent tech's helmet on, big red face

571
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: and a huge chunk of my canopy sticking on it.

572
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god, man, that sucks. And I go YouTube

573
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: you you flew through my fucking candy. I was so

574
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: freaking pissed. I want to hunch of right in the head.

575
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god. It was horrible. Yeah, but that the

576
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: evidence was still clinging to her face when she came down.

577
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: It was it was stuck in her gin. Take's hell.

578
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: There's no denying that. There's no denying that. Yeah, thanks you,

579
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: George for that one. The other funny thing, I can't

580
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 1: remember what I what I asked George, but um, something

581
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: about hand to hand combat and he just made this

582
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 1: off hand comment. He's like, yeah, for pt in the morning,

583
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: I used to have to box Pat McNamara and Josh

584
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: Collins lucky at me is that this funny comment just

585
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: cut himself short, because that guy's are really good man,

586
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: he was his kickboxing skills were ridiculous, So I was

587
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: I was bought. I'm wrong compared to those of you guys.

588
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: I was bigger and stronger, but those guys could hit

589
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: and box well. But yeah, I mean getting hit by

590
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: Josh Collins, who was pro. You know he had profile.

591
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: That guy. I mean when he hits you in the

592
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: bread basket, he comes around with the massive freaking hooks,

593
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: you are going down. I'm delayed effect you, I mean

594
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: his Yeah, so I I definitely know what it feels

595
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: like by getting punched and faced by both of those

596
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: guys and any fun Maybe Georgia's downplaying it because he

597
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: made it sound like he was the one who had

598
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: a handful with both of you, and he way, he's

599
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: way better, way better, way better. His boxing skills were

600
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: ridiculous back then. Yeah, yeah, he's being humble. Yeah he is.

601
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: A lot of you guys know that I met Brandon

602
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: and uh which later led to me doing this through

603
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: the radio host I formerly worked with Andrew well Cow

604
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: and Will Cow is just a great guy. I love

605
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: having him on. I'm glad that you know, we still

606
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: hang out regularly, and he's always been very supportive of me.

607
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: When Brandon wanted to bring me on board, Andrew was

608
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: fully on board with it. And uh, it meant a lot.

609
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: A lot of radio hosts might want to like selfishly

610
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: keep stack for themselves, and but no, he he loved

611
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: the fact that Brand didn't want to do advance what

612
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm doing and with what I'm doing here at SOFTWAREP Radio.

613
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: This is a cool equip because we talked about how

614
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: Steve Bannon was working at Sirius x M long before

615
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: he was in the Trump administration, and uh, the slight

616
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: relationship Andrew had with him. Then we also get into

617
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: national security threats and of course hyperbolic news and the

618
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: hyperbolic news media. This is from episode three eighteen, if

619
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: you want to hear it in its entirety, Andrew will

620
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: cow before Steve Bannon was Steve Bannon. I just knew

621
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: him as a guy filled in for you again. You know,

622
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: I've I've had people like, oh you and Bannon. I'm

623
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: like I had. I was around Bannon a couple of times.

624
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: There's the funny photograph that Mike will show you. He

625
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: was at c Pack and he was broadcasting, and I

626
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: just kind of walked behind him when the cameras are

627
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: there and started doing a yoga pose while he was

628
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: in the middle of some kind of thing. He didn't

629
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: even like seem to know I was there. And after

630
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: Sea Pack I saw him. He used to sit at

631
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: this coffee house on the first floor of our building,

632
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: but there was very few interactions between myself and him.

633
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: He was never in the office when I was there.

634
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 1: I never went to any of the bright Bart Embassy parties. Um,

635
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: I kind of shy away from, you know, when we're

636
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: at the RNC or Sea Pack, the kind of after

637
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: parties that go on and sometimes go on too too

638
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: late into the night. I just kind of make my

639
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: way back to my hotel room. I have a few drinks,

640
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: you know, Mike, you guys, whoever. But I'm not I'm

641
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: not a scene a party scene person, so you know,

642
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Speaker 1: I don't I didn't really spend that much time with it.

643
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Speaker 1: I just thought it was interesting because I don't think

644
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Speaker 1: any of us would have predicted that Stephen Caban would

645
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Speaker 1: be like one of the most famous men in America. Notorious. Yeah,

646
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: I you know, I I gotta be honest, I didn't

647
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: see it coming either. Yeah. Um, so I'm looking at

648
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: the questions here. This is actually a good question that's

649
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: connected to what I just asked. But did Dale Aslinger

650
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: watching on Facebook Live? What's the biggest national security threat

651
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: that the mainstream media isn't reporting for both of you? Really?

652
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: But um, well, I I've said on I think it

653
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Speaker 1: was on your program or no, maybe it was. No,

654
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 1: it was on your program when you had a guest host, Um,

655
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: and I said China. And actually since that time, I

656
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: think the media has picked up on that story that

657
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Speaker 1: China is a revisionist power and a serious threat to

658
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Speaker 1: the United States. And I think that that's being covered

659
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: now a lot more than um than it was, you know, say,

660
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Speaker 1: two years ago. Well, I think one of the things

661
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: the media is ignoring. And we've had Gordon Shang on

662
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: about this, there was a story that was actually in

663
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Speaker 1: Chinese media that one of their test sites, I believe

664
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Speaker 1: the place when I wanted to try to pronounce this right,

665
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Speaker 1: I don't want to assault that it was Pungi red.

666
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: They had a test fail that caused an avalanche, and

667
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: Chinese scientists were warning the Chinese government, Like, hey, maybe

668
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: their safety standards aren't up to par and I didn't

669
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Speaker 1: see much in the in the media about this that

670
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it was time to kind of work

671
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 1: with the Chinese because if the North Koreans are ill

672
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: equipped to handle nuclear weapons, think about what a misfire

673
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: would do E M P wise to China. So, you know,

674
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: given that we have a trade relationship, their economy relies

675
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Speaker 1: on trade partners. Us being the trade partners, European trade partners.

676
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: Let's try to use trade and the fact that the

677
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: North Koreans might be not the best at handling this

678
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: kind of stuff kind of like you know, like this, um,

679
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: maybe we could encourage them to be better allies or

680
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: partners in dealing with North Korea because you know, potentially,

681
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Speaker 1: if the North Koreans have a misdetonation, it would have

682
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: effects for China, negative consequences for China. How about this

683
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: Hawaii uh fake the fake news? Yeah, that was crazy scary,

684
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Speaker 1: I mean machine getting one of those that there's I

685
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Speaker 1: C b ms incoming. Yeah, especially you know you imagine

686
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: it here people people get a text that Starbucks run

687
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Speaker 1: in a pumpkin spice, you know, like get it right?

688
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: I was saying, imagine that text was in Texas as

689
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: opposed to like Hawaii. I feel like people would be

690
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: like gearing up to the zombie apocalypse immediately, you know.

691
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: I I guess because I didn't get the text, some

692
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: part of me thinks that I would wait for confirmation,

693
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Speaker 1: you know, because my my wonder was, you know, when

694
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Speaker 1: people put you in those that you know, what would

695
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: you do if the plane was going down? Right? Well,

696
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: what if the plane didn't go down? What what if

697
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: you thought you were about to get hit with a

698
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: nuclear weapon and you only had a half hour to live,

699
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: but then you don't get hit with a nuclear weapon.

700
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: You know, It's like I have explained some explaining to

701
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Speaker 1: the neighbors to do you know, like what what did

702
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: anyone act on that? In this sort of like Hey,

703
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: I got a half hour to live? What do I

704
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: do with that half hour? And then the half hours

705
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: up when you're still there and they are broken a

706
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: strip clubs, Yeah, that's gonna leave a mark. I wonder

707
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: if there is that story out there putting people and

708
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: you're putting kids in the sewer. I mean, I don't

709
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: know I would want to believe that that you would

710
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Speaker 1: you would see that and go, Okay, I need I

711
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: need more. I need I didn't need more, I need

712
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: more clarification here, like you know. Um. It reminded me

713
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 1: of the story that you hear about war the worlds

714
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: that when they announced that alien invasion happened to you

715
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: in New Jersey and people were freaking out. I was like,

716
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: hold a whole on a second. Yeah. I feel like

717
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: culturally we've also been kind of desensitized because like every

718
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: time there's like a thunderstorm, you get a little word

719
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: on your phone. The weather channel's going crazy saying we're

720
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: all gonna die, there's a flash flood coming, blah blah blah.

721
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: They're running at a pumpkin spice when I mean, what

722
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: what was that turm they're using for that snowstorm? It

723
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: snowed like six inches mcgednon. It was like death sidle,

724
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: a cyclone bomb or something like that that. I drove right

725
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: through it. I drove, I just put my car and

726
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,479
Speaker 1: foil drive went right through it like it wasn't even there.

727
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, I wonder if that, like that message did

728
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Speaker 1: go out, Well, that's back to your main stream anything

729
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: that you know causing a panic, you know, and this

730
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: is this is a fear that when you when you

731
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Speaker 1: have twenty four hour coverage of snow Mageddon or the

732
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: cyclone bomb and then you have three inches of snow

733
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Speaker 1: and people aren't dead, The power grid hasn't gone down.

734
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Speaker 1: You know, there isn't There isn't like war for the

735
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Speaker 1: last gallon of milk. You know how many times do

736
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: you cry wolf before people go? And then you get

737
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: a text nuclear weapons being launched? If you want to

738
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Speaker 1: check that out in its entirety, that's episode three eighteen

739
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Speaker 1: with Andrew Wellcow. All of this is available on the

740
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: archives UM. These are all available on SoundCloud since the

741
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Speaker 1: relatively recent UM or Apple Podcasts or any where else.

742
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: But uh, you can also visit Software Radio dot com

743
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: and hear all of this now. I'm saving this one

744
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: for last. When we had Dan Crenshaw on, he wasn't

745
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: a name that everybody knew. Now he really is. I

746
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: mean I saw a tweet from Candice Owens calling him

747
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: the future of the Republican Party, and uh, ever since

748
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: he's been elected to Congress, he's a name that people know. Really.

749
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Speaker 1: Ever since the SNL debacle which led to uh, you know,

750
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: a really funny but also touching moment for America where

751
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: people got together and put their differences aside. Um. So

752
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: this is Dan Crenshaw when he was on with US

753
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,479
Speaker 1: and we had a really candid discussion as you'll hear.

754
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: I mean, we had a frank discussion about foreign policy,

755
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: which Jack got into with Dan, and we also hear

756
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: about him losing his eye in combat and leaving the

757
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: military to go back to school, also the process of

758
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Speaker 1: running for office. Huge congrats to Dan on becoming a

759
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: member of Congress and we're looking forward to seeing what

760
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: he does. This is from the episode three sixteen I'm

761
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: thinking of like Austin three sixteen. Dan Crunchaw is pretty

762
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: badass himself. So three sixteen Dan Crenshaw check it out

763
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: for the first time on with US. Dan Crunchaw running

764
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: for Congress in the second District of Texas as a

765
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Speaker 1: Republican former Seal Team three uh tenure combat vet. Also

766
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Speaker 1: reading your bio Masters in Public Administration from the Harvard

767
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: Kennedy School of Government. So you've done more than just

768
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: special operations, which is a lot in itself of course. Um,

769
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Speaker 1: thanks for coming on, man, thanks for having me. Uh,

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00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of all the things you guys put out,

771
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: so it's an honor to be here. Awesome. Well, the

772
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Speaker 1: first thing I was going to ask you about before

773
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Speaker 1: we get into like any real questions, I was just

774
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: out of curiosity. Um, Drew Wallace, who runs all of

775
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: our stuff for Software TV, is the one who made

776
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: the connection. So I was wondering how you go back Withdrew.

777
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Speaker 1: And then also, uh, Jason Kennetts or our head of

778
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: and was like, I've met Dan. He's a solid guy.

779
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: So hearing a lot of good things about you. Oh yeah, thanks,

780
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: They're great guys, Um Drew and I. How did we

781
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 1: get connected? I guess through it through another mutual friend

782
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: at Oakley. Um, and we just hit it off for

783
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: a while. Um you know, and uh despite his ranger background, UM,

784
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: but no, great, great guy, and you know, I'm glad

785
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: to see he's doing well, um working with you all now.

786
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: But I was talked to him a lot at Oakley

787
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: and it took a special interest in me, and I'm

788
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: feeling sorry for me and giving me uh sunglasses when

789
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: I needed them. Uh, you know, with my my one

790
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: good eye, uh needs to be specially protected. It's pretty

791
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: sensitive to the light. So they helped me out a

792
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: lot with that. Hey, Dan, it's Shack. Thanks for coming

793
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: on the show today. Hey, thank you, Jack, thanks for

794
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: having me. Yeah. I guess a good way to start

795
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Speaker 1: this interview today is, uh, I want to ask Q,

796
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: so what made you decide to run for Congress? I mean,

797
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: you had this pretty incredible background in the military and

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00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: then going to Harvard and then what was this just

799
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: sort of like the natural next step for you? Uh,

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00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: not not initially, but not something I hadn't thought of.

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00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: You know, we we we had to assisted in my

802
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: wife um in the past, and you know how because

803
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: the real question is how do you how do you

804
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: make an impact? How do you continue making an impact?

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00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: You know, my entire life would want to be an

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Speaker 1: ev CeAl really since like age twelve. You know, you

807
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: read a book and you're hooked, and you're hooked of

808
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: the adventure and the patriotism and the elitism of it.

809
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: And that's just what I wanted to do. And so

810
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: when that's all sort of wrapping up and coming to

811
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Speaker 1: an end, what do you do with your life? And

812
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, I knew a couple of things. I knew

813
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Speaker 1: that I really can't get up in the morning for

814
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Speaker 1: anything that doesn't really give me a sense of fulfillment.

815
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Speaker 1: And the still teams, I think did that for me

816
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: and and I think they did that for me because

817
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: of the intensity of it, the the impact that you

818
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 1: that you're having, and you know, that dedication to public

819
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Speaker 1: service and serving your country and the way that makes

820
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: you feel um and and the goods you see it

821
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: does for your country, and how how critical it is.

822
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Speaker 1: And I think there's a there's a ton of ways

823
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Speaker 1: to serve your country, and so I think the way

824
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Speaker 1: I do it that you know, it's it's through leadership

825
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Speaker 1: to the leadership I learned the teams and bringing that

826
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Speaker 1: kind of credibility and passion and inspiration to Congress and uh,

827
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Speaker 1: you know, and showing people what leadership actually means. It's

828
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Speaker 1: not just it's not just authority. People didn't or you know,

829
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Speaker 1: my my guys didn't follow me through mine fields and

830
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Speaker 1: into dangerous, scarious environments, imaginable type places. Um, unless they

831
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Speaker 1: actually believed that you were the right guy for the job.

832
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Speaker 1: You know, I guess you have some sort of authority

833
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: over them, but they're not following you because of the

834
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: bars in your collar. And to anybody in the military,

835
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Speaker 1: WOU agree with that, and it shouldn't really be any

836
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: different for your elected representatives. You should, you should truly

837
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: be able to say that you believe in them and

838
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: that they've got your back. And that's that's kind of

839
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Speaker 1: leadership I want to show um for the people of Texas.

840
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Speaker 1: I was written on your website about how you know,

841
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Speaker 1: you describe how you lost one eye and you know,

842
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: went temporarily blind in the other eye. Um, you know,

843
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: when you're caught in an I E. D strike And

844
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: I've interviewed other veterans about this, but I wanted to

845
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: ask your take because this is always very interesting to

846
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: hear about, you know, how people bounce back. And I

847
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: noticed that you went on a couple more deployments after

848
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: that injury, and I was just wondering if you could

849
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about, you know, the recovery process

850
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: and how you kind of jumped back in the saddle.

851
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: Of course. UM. Yeah, so I got hit lost, I

852
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: was blinded immediately, Um, knocked over. Didn't really lose consciousness,

853
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: but I was. I was torn up pretty bad. When

854
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 1: I'm our Afghan interpreters said, stepping an I D pressure

855
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: plate right in front of me and um, he was

856
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: dismembered right away, and I took the blast because I

857
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: was only a couple of teet away and looking right

858
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: at him, So I didn't I was blind, but I

859
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: don't think I quite realized I was blood in the

860
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: sense that I figured it was just dirt my eyes

861
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: or or something along this line. So there was a

862
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: long period which really never ended, by the way, a

863
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: period of self a self deception where I was I

864
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: was never really blind. I mean basically I was, but

865
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: I really didn't think of it that way. Um. I

866
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: was able to walk it off and get to the

867
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: Metavac Hilo, and they put me out right away, and

868
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: I woke up about five days later, still blind of course,

869
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: um now completely missing my right eye because had been

870
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: been removed and uh in surgery and Candahar and uh.

871
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: So I woke up in Germany, and you know that

872
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: their message to me was essentially you you might see

873
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 1: again out of your left eye. Not it's not looking

874
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: so great. You got a cataract, so we have to

875
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: stabilize you and then get you to Besides that we

876
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: will we'll actually do the operation. And again I kind

877
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: of self decession kicked in where I really just didn't

878
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: believe them, you know, you didn't want to. I don't know,

879
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: it just didn't. It wasn't like a there was there

880
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: was really there was. There was no pushing and pulling

881
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: inside my brain like it was just like, Okay, you're

882
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: saying there's a chance. I guess there's a chance, and

883
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: and and and that's just how I thought. And frankly,

884
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: it was probably better for my mental health that that's

885
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: how I thought. And but but I was hallucinating constantly too,

886
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: because because like I said, I was blind but still

887
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: seeing what I what I where I had just been.

888
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 1: So I was constantly seeing Afghanistan all over my hospital room,

889
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: um in dreams and then waking up from dreams and

890
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: still seeing those hallucinations. It's a very weird, awful experience. UM.

891
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: So we eventually get through that, and you know, of

892
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: course proving the doctors, um, proving their negativity wrong by

893
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: by by actually recovering and actually eventually gaining full sight

894
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: in my left eye. Not perfect sight by any means.

895
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I saw I have to wear

896
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: a very specialized contact to see anything at all. But

897
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: we got through it. And you know why why I

898
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: keep going and you know, not medically retired from the

899
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: military right then and there. And I don't know, that

900
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: just wasn't there wasn't an option, you know. I think

901
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: people ask me that a lot, and it's kind of

902
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: a tough question because I never really wrestled with it.

903
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: There was There was never a moment where I thought, oh,

904
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: I mean I should probably get out of the military

905
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: now that that That conversation never occurred. The only conversations

906
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: that occurred were, which, you know, can I go back

907
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: into a platoon or do I have to do other

908
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: kind of deployments? Like what kind of service can I

909
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: continue doing? Not really should I continue? It was just

910
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: it was just never a conversation that I had. Was

911
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: never something I wrestled with. So it's our question to answer, Um,

912
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: it's the best way to answer. It's like, you know,

913
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: you're going to have to do better than that to

914
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: keep me from continuing uh service and continue serving with

915
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: my brothers. You're gonna have to do more than take

916
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: away my sight. I think it's great that they that

917
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: they let guys who have been injured stay in you know,

918
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: even if they I mean, sometimes they can requalify and

919
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: become you know, ground guys again putting boots to asses.

920
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: But even if that's not possible, you know, for those

921
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: guys to stay around and you know, work in some

922
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: other capacity in their unit or in the military and

923
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: um kind of have that sense of brotherhood and leave

924
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: the military on their own terms. I think it's good

925
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: for the military, and I think it's good for them

926
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: personally too. It is, we've list a lot of time

927
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: and money and training into our people and we should

928
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: be looking for ways to keep them. I don't you know,

929
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. The Navy does a great job of that.

930
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 1: I think the Army and Marine Corps do a little

931
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,439
Speaker 1: bit better because I do not spot it is there's

932
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: a lot of fighting on my part to stay in

933
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: and they wanted to medically discharge you. Yeah, it's that

934
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: they don't because they don't because you know, the Navy

935
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: Seals are only very tiny part of the rest of

936
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: the Navy, and so you know, when you go up

937
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: to be me, they're not they're not really accustomed to

938
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: seeing kind of combat injuries and in the waivers that

939
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: you need in order to stay active and deployable. Uh

940
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: So it's that those those conversations are harder to have

941
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: whereas you know, in the are in the army, I've

942
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: seen it a little bit easier, but it's something we

943
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: we should do, I mean, you know, and again I

944
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: did redeploy um a bit more in intel related roles,

945
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: still still in a way that I felt was impactful

946
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: and it's a filling So I'm very proud of that

947
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: and happy to would have kept doing it, Um, But

948
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: eventually we got to a point where even even that

949
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: was a little bit too much for the you know,

950
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: the stricter rules and and and and kind of maintaining

951
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 1: the medical standards that they wanted to. So it made

952
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: it made sense to medically retire me in two thousand

953
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: and sixteen. So when you got out, you went, um

954
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: back to school. Could you talk a little bit about

955
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: continuing your education as a as a seal veteran, because

956
00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of dudes out there for

957
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: us who are leaving the military. I was one of

958
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 1: them in two thousand time getting out and that process

959
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: of going back to school, of course, UM, and you're

960
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: you're looking for that transition, right and looking for a

961
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: bridge into the civilian world, because there really is no

962
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: obvious way to do that. You know, so that the

963
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: first thing I really thought it was okay, like what

964
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: gets me up in the morning is kind of like

965
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: what I was talking about before. Well, the things that

966
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: get me up in the morning, or our service, the

967
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,439
Speaker 1: American people serving something greater than myself. And I felt

968
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: that I got that out of the military. Um where

969
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: else can I get that? You know, world, because I

970
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: don't want a job, I want a new mission, and

971
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: you know that that's harder, It really limits your choices. Um.

972
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: But I went to the Kennedy School because the Kennedy

973
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: School of Government, and because it's all about public service,

974
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: and I was interested in policy, and not just natural

975
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: security policy and sort of my wheelhouse, but economic policy,

976
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: healthcare policy, immigration issues, I mean, things that concern votors

977
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: at a very low level, you know, at the local

978
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: state level. I getting more and more interested in politics,

979
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: and so that was really the natural choice for me.

980
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: Now what I did with that degree, I was sure.

981
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: Yet I thought that after you graduated from Harvard, they

982
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: just handed you a job and on the silver platter,

983
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: And turns out not that way at all. So um,

984
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: you know, somebody, but after graduating, and I was really

985
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: looking for a way to serve again. You know, I

986
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: was really only looking at either government jobs or UM

987
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: jobs in Congress is something along those lines, um that

988
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: I would work with the Congressman T. Sessions for a while.

989
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: Just really wanted to reconnect with Texas. That was my

990
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: goal above all else. But I'm sure all veterans have

991
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: really come across this. It's just it's hard. It's hard

992
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: to you know, a lot of people want to meet

993
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: with you. They want to they want to hear your

994
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: story and tell you how great they are and how

995
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: appreciated they are of your service. But we're still gonna

996
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: hire the guy or gal who had been answering phones

997
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 1: and in that industry or whatever it is for the

998
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: last couple of years, you know, And they don't they

999
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: don't realize how quickly veterans can learn and adapt and

1000
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: overcome and get back on the feet. What do you

1001
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: think of you know, today, the situation in America will

1002
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: not just today. It's always been like this. I think

1003
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: to a large extent that our politicians are largely lawyers.

1004
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: And you know, you're a guy who actually has real

1005
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: deal military experience and also majored in public policy. I

1006
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: mean that kind of brings a different background to the

1007
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: full doesn't it It does, it's a it's a necessary background. Um,

1008
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: hey greed. There's so many lawyers in the in the

1009
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: legislature and right because it's a your lawmakers, so people

1010
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: assume that you should be a lawyer before you become

1011
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: a lawmaker. And it's just not that's just not truce.

1012
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: But you know, I think worked on the hill, like

1013
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: I understand how these things have it. You're a policymaker, yes, yes,

1014
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: you're writing laws. If you're not the one physically writing

1015
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: the laws, your law degree to help you in this,

1016
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: you know, unless you want to be on the judiciary

1017
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: committee or something like that, then this guys should probably

1018
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: be lawyers, but you know, it's it's certainly not a requirement. Um.

1019
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: And actually a lot of people are running against in

1020
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: this primary are mainly businessmen, only a couple of lawyers

1021
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: here and there. And too bad because I had all

1022
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: these lines about are if you're sick of having lawyers,

1023
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: you're politicians and hope for me, but I turned to

1024
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: out of both like how did the lawyers? What do you?

1025
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: Ian and I were having this conversation earlier and I

1026
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: won't interject my opinion. I'd like to hear your take

1027
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: on it. What do you think about the notion of

1028
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: businessmen running for office. I mean, of course, we hope

1029
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: that there's a diversity of American life that ends up

1030
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: representing us in public life. But there's this idea out

1031
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: there that if you're a good businessman, you're going to

1032
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: make a good politician or a good public leader. What

1033
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: do you think of that? Yeah, I mean, you know,

1034
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: it should really be dependent on on the person as

1035
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: opposed to their necessarily their experiences. Um So, as I said,

1036
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm running against a lot of businessmen and they are,

1037
01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: and we'll say things like this is how I know

1038
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: what it's the economy because I'm a businessman. Well, let

1039
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: me guess the lower regulations than less active. I mean,

1040
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: these things aren't all that complex. Um. The policy prescriptions

1041
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: are out there. Um. You know, we differ on whether

1042
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: you're on the right or the left on which probably

1043
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: prescription policy prescriptions you think are best for the economy.

1044
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: But you're not running to be CEO of the second district.

1045
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: You're you're running to lead people. Leader Leadership is not authority,

1046
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: you know, And I think sometimes when your manage in

1047
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: office you might you might get confused about the difference

1048
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: between being a leader of being a manager and what

1049
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: it truly means to have authority and influence. And you know,

1050
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: like I was saying before, like you guys don't follow

1051
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: me into the heat of battle because of the bars

1052
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: and my color. They follow you because they believe in

1053
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: you and they trust you. And you need that kind

1054
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: of credibility in any leadership role, and especially when you're

1055
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: representing the American people. I think that's so important. Um.

1056
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not saying all CEO don't have that.

1057
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,439
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's certainly not a prerequisite. And even

1058
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: if you're talking economic policies, it's not a prerequisite because

1059
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, the policy is different than managing your office

1060
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: and managing your business. Very pro business, don't get me wrong,

1061
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: and I'm very happy to see entrepreneurs creating jobs. I mean,

1062
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: they are the drivers are our economy, especially small businesses.

1063
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: But policy is different, all right, Like it's you know,

1064
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: and you have to study in these things in a

1065
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Speaker 1: different way, like like what sort of more expensive policies,

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Speaker 1: how is it How is the regulatory policy actually written

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Speaker 1: and by what agencies? And how do they go about it?

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Speaker 1: What are the cost benefit analysis they do? Those are

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Speaker 1: the questions that you have to answer. Not so much. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're managing your office as as you would

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Speaker 1: and you know in every quarter, you know, coming out

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Speaker 1: with different projections and profit gold, you know, all these

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Speaker 1: things that there's a lot of things that go into businesses,

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Speaker 1: a lot of things that go into policy, and there's

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Speaker 1: some overlap. But it's it's a it depends on the person.

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Speaker 1: It depends on their ability to lead and make a

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Speaker 1: difference in influence. And you know, again we're all me

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Speaker 1: and my opponents will all have probably agree on the

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Speaker 1: policy prescriptions, right, we're all very conservative. Uh. What matters

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Speaker 1: is who can get those things done and you can

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Speaker 1: inspire more people to come to your side. That's influence,

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Speaker 1: that's leadership, and that I think I've learned a lot

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Speaker 1: from from the Seal teams. Well, how do you think

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Speaker 1: you would go about that? Considering the very divisive political

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Speaker 1: atmosphere we're living in today? Wow? Yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 1: know it's a big it's a big question, but I

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Speaker 1: mean you'll be in the hot seat if you get

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Speaker 1: elected right right now. I mean, listen, you do it

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Speaker 1: first by by showing credibility for what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: One of my big things is is uh speaking to

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Speaker 1: the next generation, especially with respect to as being a conservative.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can imagine most young people vote, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're lean left, and that that worries me because I

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Speaker 1: do believe that we have a lot of the right ideas.

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Speaker 1: I do believe that our values are good ones, and

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Speaker 1: I do believe that we truly have, um the best

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Speaker 1: interests of the country in mind. And I'm not so

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Speaker 1: sure we're convincing people of that. And that's maybe because

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Speaker 1: we're electing people to represent us as conservatives with what's

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Speaker 1: just less grows the credibility than they really need to

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Speaker 1: be up there. So if you're you know, you elected

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Speaker 1: businessman or a lawyer, So what what is it about

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Speaker 1: this person that that that proves to you? But they

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Speaker 1: really care about the country and then they care about

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Speaker 1: their constituents, like I'm not so sure maybe they do,

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Speaker 1: maybe they don't. Um, you know, I'd like to think

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Speaker 1: that people look at my story and they know that

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Speaker 1: truly the only thing I care about is actually serving

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Speaker 1: the American people. Um and and or what you do

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Speaker 1: to me, whether you take my eye like, I'll that's

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Speaker 1: all I still want to do. Um, there's there's really

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Speaker 1: not a whole lot you can do to get in

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Speaker 1: my way. So if it comes, if you're looking for

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Speaker 1: somebody to fight for your values, then you can you

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01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: can be damn sure that it's going to be me,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be pretty effective at it. Um. I'm

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Speaker 1: also one of the few people who've actually worked in

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Speaker 1: federal government and really knows the issue as well, since

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Speaker 1: I have national security, intelligence related issues, defense, you name it.

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Speaker 1: You truly need experience in these things to be effective.

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Speaker 1: These are these are these are not things that you

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Speaker 1: can just sort of research on your own, develop your

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Speaker 1: talking points and figure out because it does require years

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Speaker 1: and years and classified briefings, an actual experience on the

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Speaker 1: ground to understand. Um. I'm probably one of the few

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Speaker 1: people in the race too, with a lot of existing

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Speaker 1: relationships on the hill. Um, you know, I don't haven't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: I'm the only one with actual endorsements from sitting members

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Speaker 1: of Congress. Uh. You need those relationships to get things done,

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Speaker 1: and people want to work with you when you have

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Speaker 1: a proven track record of of serving this country. UM.

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Speaker 1: And if they don't want to work with you, they

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Speaker 1: at least want the you know, the publicly. I think

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Speaker 1: they know that they need to UM. And I don't

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Speaker 1: think that would be the case of my opponents. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that they I don't think they'll be able

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Speaker 1: to inspire that kind of uh, you know, inspire that

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Speaker 1: kind of sense of cooperation and get things done kind

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Speaker 1: of attitude that I that I believe I can and

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Speaker 1: that I know I've done in the past, working in

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Speaker 1: the military and working across different federal agencies of state, Department,

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Speaker 1: intelligence community, UM. You know, to get get some major

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Speaker 1: operations done. Hard to talk about on a podcast, but no, no,

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Speaker 1: I understand, but I appreciate you gotta you know, going

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Speaker 1: at length on this UM. It is one of the

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Speaker 1: benefits actually of doing a podcast and as opposed to television,

1148
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Speaker 1: is you know, you can really articulate whatever it is

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Speaker 1: you like to say. UM. I would like to shift

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Speaker 1: into UM national defense a little bit because I was

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Speaker 1: reading you know, your policy positions on your website, you know,

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Speaker 1: to prepare for this interview, and you talk about isis

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Speaker 1: on there? And you know we can see that isis IS.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to use the word defeated, but they've

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Speaker 1: been crushed pretty good in Syria and Iraq. Um there

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Speaker 1: nowhere near where they were at, say, two years ago. Um,

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Speaker 1: what do you see as far as being our national

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Speaker 1: defense priorities in the future. I mean, I don't think

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Speaker 1: either of us are so naive as to think that

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Speaker 1: international jihad is going away. Um, how would you what

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Speaker 1: would your approach to counter terrorism be, you know, say,

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Speaker 1: going over the next five years. Yeah, I know you're

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Speaker 1: you're right, just say it's not going away anytime soon. Um.

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Speaker 1: It has been nice to see this president really unleashed

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Speaker 1: the generals so to speak on ISIS. And you know,

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Speaker 1: as you've probably seen me talking to my friends in

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Speaker 1: the soft community there there isn't uplifting in morale and

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Speaker 1: the way they feel that they're they're treated, and the

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Speaker 1: way that the field the administration has their back. And UM,

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Speaker 1: I think it's really been effective. Now. That doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: the ideology is going away anytime soon. If anything, it's

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Speaker 1: it's still very much alive. Um. They simply don't hold territory,

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Speaker 1: and you know you fight that by really removing the

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Speaker 1: conversation away from arbitrary timelines and arbitrary troop levels. You know,

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Speaker 1: we have to get we have we have to have

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Speaker 1: people in leadership positions who who are just honest with

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Speaker 1: the American voter and say, listen, if if you wanted

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Speaker 1: to feed these things, you have to maintain the presence.

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Speaker 1: You cannot have um power vacuums and in stay like

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Speaker 1: Afghanistan or Iraq or Yemen, you just can't, you know,

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Speaker 1: and you cannot pretend that's how we can, like a

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Speaker 1: Ostris like we've took our head in the stand and

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Speaker 1: then and there's nothing going on out there. That's just

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Speaker 1: it's unrealistic. Peoples deployments, no ended site, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: at least for the foreseeable future, and there might be

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Speaker 1: an end. I mean, but you know, American troops have

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Speaker 1: been in South Korea and Germany and Japan since you know,

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Speaker 1: the Korean War and World War two and this this

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Speaker 1: thing turned out well. And I'm not saying those countries

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Speaker 1: are really comparable to Iraq and Afghanistan, but but we

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Speaker 1: we do have pretty good evidence, very very good evidence

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Speaker 1: of what happens when you do leave power vacuums. You

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Speaker 1: get isis and you get nine, you get nine eleven.

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Speaker 1: We we know that already, now we don't. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean we need a hundred two hundred thousand troops nation building.

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Speaker 1: I think we've we've tried that experiment and it's I

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Speaker 1: don't think American people had the patience for it. It

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Speaker 1: was an honor to have Dan Crenshaw on before he

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Speaker 1: became who he is today, and there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are saying he's a future guy to look out

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Speaker 1: for in politics in general. So thanks for coming on today,

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Speaker 1: and thanks to everybody who was on this year and

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Speaker 1: that we included in this episode. Mike Vining, Ed, Darra,

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Speaker 1: Pat McNamara, well cow Mike we had on twice this

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Speaker 1: past year. Ed, we're gonna have on for a second time.

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Speaker 1: And once again, Pat we had on twice. Andrew we

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Speaker 1: had them twice. So they're just favorites and that's why

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Speaker 1: I included them here in this best of If you

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Speaker 1: Give me a follow at Ian Scotto. Love doing this

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