WEBVTT - Off the B List with Ian Ziering

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<v Speaker 1>It's nine O Gen one with Jenny Garth and Tory Spelling.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and gee you guys. Yeah, yeah, this is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Tory is not with us again this week. She's not

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<v Speaker 2>feeling well. But we have a very very very very

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<v Speaker 2>very very very special guest host today, don't we, Amy.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I obviously agree.

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<v Speaker 2>We have the number one, the number one, your number one,

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<v Speaker 2>really and truly, let's introduce him without further ado. It's

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<v Speaker 2>mister Iron's hearing.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 5>It's always thanks for having me on the podcast with

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<v Speaker 5>you guys.

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<v Speaker 4>This is always exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>We love having you here. We love it.

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<v Speaker 3>I only get nerves. I only get nervous when I'm here.

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<v Speaker 1>But we we have to ask because you were the

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<v Speaker 1>big topic a couple of weeks ago in an episode

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't love, but we loved your smile.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it was last week, wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like a year ago, but I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was last night.

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<v Speaker 5>Was this?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember the sixties episode oh with the wigs? Yeah? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he remembers that.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally, think we said the only thing that we love

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<v Speaker 1>about this episode is Steve Sanders smile.

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<v Speaker 2>Where'd you get that smile?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh? I bought it.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, like just about every other tooth in my

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<v Speaker 5>mouth is not homegrown, So why not? No?

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<v Speaker 2>Amy was asking, was that was that a smile that

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<v Speaker 2>you procured just for the character of Steve Sanders or

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<v Speaker 2>was this is this? Was this an Ion Zeering special?

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, that's Ian's smile, that's his grint. That's

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<v Speaker 2>like you're eating grin. You know that that one right there.

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<v Speaker 4>I was bored with it. I was bored. I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>you're eight. I didn't create a smile for the character.

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<v Speaker 1>So dreamy though, And when Steve does it, it's so like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't I can't even I can't even mind his.

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<v Speaker 3>Like crazy antics because the smile.

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<v Speaker 2>So oftentimes we all have, we all three have the

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<v Speaker 2>same notes on certain beats of the show, and this

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<v Speaker 2>was a beat that both Amy and I were like,

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<v Speaker 2>that smile, Oh my god, I will do for him.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't even know what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>I do, I sure do, I sure do.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, whatever we're done building up, let's break him down now. O.

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<v Speaker 1>No, first, first, before I have to say, he's at

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<v Speaker 1>the jukebox and the whole thing is kind of like ridiculous,

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<v Speaker 1>And then iron slash Steve just gives us this smile

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<v Speaker 1>and the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, Oh, the episode's good. Okay, I'm in.

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<v Speaker 2>For a moment. The episode was good because last week

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<v Speaker 2>with Pete you but this week you guys. Episode twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six blind Spot aired April sixth, nineteen ninety four. Amy,

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<v Speaker 2>Would you like to read the synopsis this?

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<v Speaker 3>I would.

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<v Speaker 1>I finally learned how Steve Sanders can't keep a secret

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<v Speaker 1>and accidentally betrays his buddy. David is vibing with his

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<v Speaker 1>piano teacher. Well, Donna seeks revenge with DeShawn. Kelly's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get the guys to take their bands off for

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<v Speaker 1>a good cause.

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<v Speaker 2>Directed by Michael Lang, written by Ken Stringer. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>remember Ken Stringer? See?

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<v Speaker 4>I sure do.

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<v Speaker 5>He was an assistant director and then he became the

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<v Speaker 5>scheduling czar and then out of nowhere, I'm seeing scripts

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<v Speaker 5>that he has written. So he's one of the many

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<v Speaker 5>people that infiltrated the system.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is one of them. This is his episode.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is kind of a prickly episode, if you will.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about a very sensitive subject matter, and certainly a

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<v Speaker 2>subject matter that probably hadn't been talked about on a

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<v Speaker 2>teen show back in nineteen ninety four, right.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Barshaw was ahead of its time and a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of totally this is something that you know wasn't really

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<v Speaker 5>discussed out in the open, you know, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Affering to Yeah, the homophobic undertones of this episode are undeniable.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, clearly.

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<v Speaker 5>That's It's interesting to me that this was called blind

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<v Speaker 5>spot when that really wasn't a storyline, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>was that an attempt to hide?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I always love trying to figure out what the

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<v Speaker 2>heck the title of the show means. But you just

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<v Speaker 2>made me realize that the titles referring to David's storyline, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>and not basically the a storyline this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Unless at first Steve had a blind spot to what

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<v Speaker 1>should be and then by the end of the episode

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<v Speaker 1>he really realizes where he went wrong and what was

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<v Speaker 1>the right thing to do.

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<v Speaker 5>Just say, I'm sure that's how they rationalized it too.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't see it that way, but you know, it's

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<v Speaker 4>a groundbreaking episode, you know, very typical for them to

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<v Speaker 4>use Steve Sanders as the foil.

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<v Speaker 5>There were a lot of episodes that I had to

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<v Speaker 5>do that really wasn't happy about. I think the worst

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<v Speaker 5>of all of them was when I became a living

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<v Speaker 5>PSA for sunblock. While skin cancer is a very serious problem,

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<v Speaker 5>it was so stupid, Like this is another one of

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<v Speaker 5>those episodes where.

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<v Speaker 4>Honestly, I think they dropped the ball.

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<v Speaker 5>This could have been handled in such a way that

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<v Speaker 5>would have been more meaningful and less buffoonish. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's was really out of character for Steve to,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, if he was really friends with this guy,

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<v Speaker 5>to let the cat out of the bag.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we all know one thing about Steve Sanders, it's

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<v Speaker 2>that he was a good friend to people. Like, if

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<v Speaker 2>you were in Steve's inner circle, you didn't this didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he'd fight for you, right, especially after what he

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<v Speaker 1>did for you, you would have never betrayed him.

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<v Speaker 5>And he was the KEG president. So it's like, but

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<v Speaker 5>it was again Steve being the foil. You know, it

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<v Speaker 5>would have been out of character for Brandon to be homophobic.

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<v Speaker 5>It would have been out of character for Dylan or

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<v Speaker 5>David Silver.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, with all the.

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<v Speaker 5>At A, they never minded putting Steve out of character.

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<v Speaker 1>They love to make Steve learn a lesson. They love

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<v Speaker 1>to have Steve get it wrong in the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>the episode and then fully get it right by the end.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think it could have been so much more powerful.

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<v Speaker 5>If they wanted to explore homophobia, then Steve should have

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<v Speaker 5>had a kiss to figure out what the hell's going

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<v Speaker 5>on here, you know, and then.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe the realization was for Steve that.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, it's not for me, it's not for Steve,

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<v Speaker 5>it's just not you know, handled it that way, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I think it could have been. I don't think the

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<v Speaker 5>episode was really well written. I think it was pushed

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<v Speaker 5>and a little forced and contrived, and I think they

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<v Speaker 5>missed an opportunity to do something that really could have

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<v Speaker 5>spoken a lot louder to the situation, the problem of homophobia,

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<v Speaker 5>rather than addressing the stereotypes that break it that, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>break homosexuality down to something that's verboten, something that's like, ooh,

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<v Speaker 5>don't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think back then it was more about stereotypes. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't as flushed out of as a topic, especially on

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<v Speaker 2>TV primetime teen drama.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, everyone's situation is different. I mean I grew up

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<v Speaker 5>in New Jersey, going into New York City every day auditioning.

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<v Speaker 5>When I was fourteen years old, I was an understudy

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<v Speaker 5>and a Broadway play.

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<v Speaker 4>I was in the chorus for.

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<v Speaker 5>I Remember Mama, and like every man in the chorus

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<v Speaker 5>was gay.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm looking at this in the mirror, thinking, wow,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm an actor. Am I gay? I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 4>I kind of had a girlfriend. I kind of like girls,

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<v Speaker 4>but I'm an actor, and so am I gay?

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, it was never anything that really crystallized

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<v Speaker 5>in my mind till I was in college and one

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<v Speaker 5>of my classmates is in the bar at night on

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<v Speaker 5>Thursday night, we had a rat scaler at William Patterson

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<v Speaker 5>University and I'm looking at the girls on.

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<v Speaker 4>The dance floor and he says, Hey, could I buy

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<v Speaker 4>you a drink?

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm like, oh, no, I I just got a beer.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm like looking at the girls on the dance floor.

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<v Speaker 5>And while my elbows are on the bar. While I'm

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<v Speaker 5>looking at the dance floor, his elbow he's right next

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<v Speaker 5>to me, and I kind of feel his elbow touch

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<v Speaker 5>of mind. I look down and I look up at

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<v Speaker 5>him and he's looking at me, and I knew he

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<v Speaker 5>was a gay man, and I thought first it crystallized

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<v Speaker 5>in my mind. I had never had any homosexual experience,

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<v Speaker 5>but that moment right there crystallized for me.

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<v Speaker 4>Then I'm a heterosexual man.

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<v Speaker 5>I told him. I said, look flattered, but it's not.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just not me.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, more power to you.

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<v Speaker 5>So it was never really a problem for me to

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<v Speaker 5>be around the gay community.

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<v Speaker 4>I accepted it. It's just, Hey, you know, everyone, you're.

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<v Speaker 5>Lucky enough to find love. I don't care how you

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<v Speaker 5>find it, if you can find it, or power to you. So,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, maybe my perspective was a little scute. I

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<v Speaker 5>wasn't happy with this episode. I wasn't happy with the writing,

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<v Speaker 5>but nobody ever listened to me, so I did my job.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm going to ask you a question. You said this,

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<v Speaker 2>you crystallize in that moment in college that you weren't gay.

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<v Speaker 2>But what about that moment in the jacuzzie with me?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh? That was way after Jenny. Yeah, are we talking

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<v Speaker 4>about that?

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<v Speaker 3>Jenny?

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<v Speaker 1>Wait?

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<v Speaker 2>I need to know what happened to me and my

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<v Speaker 2>boyfriend at the time. We used to like to hang

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<v Speaker 2>out with Ian and his girlfriend. I loved I and

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<v Speaker 2>I want to hang out with them all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently my boyfriend loved Ian too.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, you're not going to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>You've told the turn. I wasn't expecting I'll talk.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll talk about it.

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<v Speaker 5>We were we went out one night, had a great time,

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<v Speaker 5>went back to where I was living at the time,

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<v Speaker 5>my girlfriend and I.

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<v Speaker 2>We all was in an apartment.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember we all got into uh a jacuzzi and uh,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, I had my back to Janny and her boyfriend,

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<v Speaker 6>and I'm.

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<v Speaker 5>Making out with my girl and I think that they're

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<v Speaker 5>doing the same thing at my back, and then all

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<v Speaker 5>of a sudden, I feel like someone touching my shoulder,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, as I'm hugging my girl, I'm thinking.

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<v Speaker 4>Nine oh two one, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 5>Here, I'm thinking, like this is gonna be a hot

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<v Speaker 5>night of monkey love.

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<v Speaker 4>It's gonna go down. And as like I'm getting like crazy,

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<v Speaker 4>I turn and I look.

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<v Speaker 5>In my shoulder and they're hairy knuckles, not the feminine.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you think it was Jenny?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was hoping it was me, absolutely, but.

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<v Speaker 4>It was the hairy knuckle guy. And I was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 4>it was a huge record scratch. I'm just not gay.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's interesting because most people watching nine O

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<v Speaker 1>two and zero it was very like.

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<v Speaker 3>Ahead of its time, Like you said, I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I think today we're sort of cringe by parts of it,

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<v Speaker 1>but then I think it was. And the one thing

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<v Speaker 1>I will say that was really accurate is I went

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<v Speaker 1>to a big college with fraternities where there were guys

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<v Speaker 1>who were gay in the fraternity and they would have

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<v Speaker 1>never He did not come out years later, So that

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<v Speaker 1>part was very accurate, Like they definitely did not want

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<v Speaker 1>anyone to know. Yeah, so that was that part. Mike Ryan,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a question about him in a minute, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was sort of accurate with the way he was

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<v Speaker 1>portrayed already. Was the one where it was just like

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<v Speaker 1>oh this.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh he was a dipshit? What was this Jack Armstrong's

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<v Speaker 2>first episode playing Mike Grind because Mike Grind's been played

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<v Speaker 2>by two other actors previous. Yes, I think yes.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's why it's so confusing because as.

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<v Speaker 1>The fan or the viewer viewer, Yeah, when you go

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<v Speaker 1>into the cafe, we're like who is that dude?

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<v Speaker 3>Who is they don't know who that right?

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<v Speaker 2>And then we go back to the even we go

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<v Speaker 2>back to the cake house and we're still like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>who is he? And not until someone refers to him

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<v Speaker 2>as you know, Mike Ryan, head of the KEG, a

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<v Speaker 2>president of the KEG. Did we catch on? But that

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<v Speaker 2>was very confusing, confusing for everybody. But he did a

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<v Speaker 2>great job. And I remember working with him and he

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he embraced this role and loved it and

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<v Speaker 2>we had he had fun with it. Yeah, I can remember.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a babe too. That guy was hot. That

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<v Speaker 3>guy was He was perfect for that.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know what you guys, when you're watching it,

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<v Speaker 1>are you cringe at some of the parts or are

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<v Speaker 1>you like able to go back and say it was

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of its time at the time, because that is real.

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<v Speaker 1>There were guys in the fraternities that were gay that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to say that part was very accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>And was that kind of like you know, the way

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<v Speaker 2>they treated him with the painting of his door pink

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<v Speaker 2>and making all those terrible remarks to him in public

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<v Speaker 2>and of other people, Like, was that is that something

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<v Speaker 2>that went on in nineteen ninety four? Probably is that

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<v Speaker 2>something that goes on today? Probably in certain places. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know this, I think our show had to take

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<v Speaker 2>a position on the story that they were telling, and

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<v Speaker 2>the story that they were telling was really shaded from

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<v Speaker 2>one perspective, we didn't get to hear, you know, Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan's story at all.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I'm trying to ads something here and I

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<v Speaker 5>really don't know what to say. I was not happy

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<v Speaker 5>with this episode. I like several of the I never

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<v Speaker 5>really watched the show. How about that when it was on.

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<v Speaker 5>I used to hear from my mom, who would watched

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<v Speaker 5>the show? We were working?

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<v Speaker 2>Or do they should do a podcast about it? Because

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<v Speaker 2>then you can watch it for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>They do put Steve in a tough meaning you ian

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<v Speaker 1>because they put Steve in this role of sort of

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<v Speaker 1>being the buffoon in the beginning that doesn't really track

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<v Speaker 1>with who he is.

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<v Speaker 3>And then of course Brandon.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I love Brandon, but he always has to

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<v Speaker 1>get at it perfect, you know, he's always the smart,

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<v Speaker 1>one perfect guy of course.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, Well that's literally, literarily speaking, that's what a foil

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<v Speaker 5>does is something that's juxtaposed to the protagonist who antagonist

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<v Speaker 5>rather who is, shows a difference to highlight a particular situation.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, that's that was my job in a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of these situations. But you know, personally I was

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<v Speaker 5>never really comfortable with it, but again, just doing my job.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, this is one of those episodes I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>really care to watch.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought it sucked when I read it. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>it was a great story. I felt that they.

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<v Speaker 4>Really missed the mark on making something that was impacted.

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<v Speaker 2>You did do your job well because you did it

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<v Speaker 2>with sensitivity, and you did it with you know this

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<v Speaker 2>like wanting to learn. Like I could tell that your

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<v Speaker 2>character was really open to learning and accepting, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was a great message that your character was able to

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<v Speaker 2>put out there for all the young guys watching the show.

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<v Speaker 4>It could have been driven home so much stronger.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think the speech at the end was very

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<v Speaker 1>well done, though, when you're like, this is our brother,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't nothing else matters than what this guy's character is.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think you showed what the true character of

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<v Speaker 1>Steve is by Ultimately, Steve always does the right thing,

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<v Speaker 1>it just always takes him a minute to.

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<v Speaker 5>Get there those words Reek of Steve Wasserman thinks, yeah, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 5>because he was always the voice of reason. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>anytime I had an issue, I wouldn't go to Chuck Rosen,

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<v Speaker 5>I would go to Wasserman or Cline and ask him

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<v Speaker 5>what's And Steve always had a way of rationalizing it

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<v Speaker 5>in a way that it kind of made sense to

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<v Speaker 5>me that it had more gravitas and sincerity rather than

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<v Speaker 5>something light and superficial. There was depth in the world,

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<v Speaker 5>he would explain it. And in those words, where it

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<v Speaker 5>what you know, fraternities are about brotherhood. Ah wow, full circle.

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<v Speaker 5>But the wind up punch to deliver that was wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>even a wind up was all over the place. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>it was incongruous with the character.

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<v Speaker 4>It was not in line with.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, a lot of the stuff that uh my

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<v Speaker 5>character brought to the table. And you know, we had

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<v Speaker 5>a stretch and for me that that's a huge ask

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<v Speaker 5>of the audience, you know, and that's why I would

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<v Speaker 5>have a trouble when they would ask me to do

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<v Speaker 5>this crazy stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, come on, it does It's true because in

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<v Speaker 1>this one, the only one getting it wrong is Steve essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>and then that idiot already. But like Donna's got it right,

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly's got it right, Brandon's got it right, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>all so like just almost beautiful and articulate in the

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<v Speaker 1>way they're expressing it. And then it's it is unfortunate,

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<v Speaker 1>like it doesn't track that this group of friends, Steve

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<v Speaker 1>is the only one that's fully just an idiot about it,

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<v Speaker 1>Like he would have never.

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<v Speaker 3>Outed that guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He would minus. The sick thing is they thought I

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<v Speaker 2>was one too, right, Yeah, Oh that bothered me so gross.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, I had to say that out loud.

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<v Speaker 2>You had to say that, and a few people heard it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, and yet the show still continue to

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<v Speaker 5>be wildly successful, you know, and you know it. Things

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<v Speaker 5>like that are are damaging to the character. It's like,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't like Steve for saying that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>He redeemed himself by the end.

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<v Speaker 3>He does, he really does.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how they'd love to teach the lessons to the people.

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<v Speaker 3>Always with a bow, always, always with the bow.

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<v Speaker 2>How about have you ever been to a gig gay

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<v Speaker 2>coffeehouse where it's all gay men?

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<v Speaker 3>That was the worst part of the whole thing for him.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't even exist.

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<v Speaker 4>They needed a vehicle, so they had to go. They

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<v Speaker 4>couldn't go to a I guess they could. Could they

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<v Speaker 4>have gone to a bar?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 4>I think we were too young, too.

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<v Speaker 2>Young for a kid.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, you're not.

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<v Speaker 2>That would have been good. What about when Brandon says, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not going to cop a feel over a cup

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<v Speaker 2>of coffee. I'm not going to cop a feel.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want cappuccino? Do you want cappuccino? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>want like cappuccino?

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<v Speaker 4>Wait?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you just clarify for me? Could you say that

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<v Speaker 2>word again?

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<v Speaker 5>Me?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I iron cappuccino?

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<v Speaker 4>What did I stutter? Cappuccino?

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<v Speaker 2>Cappuccino? Why were you saying cappuccino?

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't notice that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, bugged me? Cappuccino. I've never had a.

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<v Speaker 3>Cop Can I just have one?

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<v Speaker 4>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>Cute iron Jenny moment?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you call her Gen and she calls you I,

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<v Speaker 1>and I like want to faint. It's so oh cute,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so freaking cute. And this is the first time

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't just been together on a plane. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>could you two bump into each other more on a plane?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna see Jenny at another event down in Tampa

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<v Speaker 5>in September.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll see the rest of the cast there as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Hopefully.

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<v Speaker 2>Will you please get on my flight.

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<v Speaker 3>I need to know what this is.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a it's a big nineties reunion kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's it's so much fun when we're together. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you feel about being on the B list

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<v Speaker 2>for the calendar, really sticking it to you, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't even get on the calendar.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like.

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<v Speaker 5>Way to strengthen your your characters, you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>And I don't think I even raised a beef with that.

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<v Speaker 5>Like whatever, let's just get through this people.

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<v Speaker 2>You have another thing to worry about in this episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, true, like the ripped.

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<v Speaker 2>Like like like preparing your chest hair for your shirtless

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<v Speaker 2>scenes in the boxer shorts.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember, did I save?

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<v Speaker 2>I remember?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>You trimmed?

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<v Speaker 4>I remember I always trimmed my manscape.

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<v Speaker 2>You manscaped, but back then there was no term for it.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no manscaping. But you were the person that

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<v Speaker 2>taught me about manscaping.

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<v Speaker 3>No way, you were.

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<v Speaker 4>I talked to you about manscaping.

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<v Speaker 2>You had your little peanut shaver thing, and in the

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<v Speaker 2>makeup trailer you would fire that thing up and take

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<v Speaker 2>your shirt off and just be.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, the peanut is tiny. You got I wouldn't. Big

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<v Speaker 4>Buzzer the one who taught me.

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<v Speaker 2>That I had to groom my armed hair.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, I told you how to groom your arm hair.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you decided that it needed to be shortened. And

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<v Speaker 2>you showed me how to do it.

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<v Speaker 4>It was just a little too damn long.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of sort of like a couple of weird notes

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<v Speaker 1>on this episode, one being when Brandon and Deshaun are

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<v Speaker 1>in the locker room and Deshaun is fully shirtless with

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<v Speaker 1>the towel around.

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<v Speaker 5>Him in.

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<v Speaker 1>Full shirt on close it a towel.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you stand? Would you would you stand next to

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<v Speaker 2>Shawn if you look like that? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The other cringey thing is how me and y'all are

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<v Speaker 1>to Andrea for eating.

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<v Speaker 3>She's pregnant.

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<v Speaker 2>Shaming her? Is that what it's called?

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<v Speaker 1>Now? She was pregnant, and the characters pregnant y'all.

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<v Speaker 3>Are being so mean, like, oh, do you need two

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<v Speaker 3>mega Brogers? You need two mega birgerds.

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<v Speaker 1>Brenda was awful. She's like, I know, I need to

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<v Speaker 1>stop eating and actually just shoving the noodles down, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Brenda's like, yeah, you do, like it was just.

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<v Speaker 2>Like and then Kelly says that he's eating for three

0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah means, listen, you get one chance, well maybe two

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<v Speaker 2>or three in my case, to eat whatever five and

0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Toy's case, to eat whatever you want and gain weight

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<v Speaker 2>and it's okay, it's acceptable by society. Uh, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>those are the days. Eat whatever the hell you want. People.

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<v Speaker 3>What do we think of the David falling in love

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<v Speaker 3>with the piano teachers for five minutes storyline? But really

0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:36.480
<v Speaker 3>it was just.

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<v Speaker 2>What Okay, I'm so confused. Are Donna and David back together?

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<v Speaker 2>Are they boyfriend and girlfriend in the beginning of this

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<v Speaker 2>episode because Donna says they are, but then he says roommates,

0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:52.080
<v Speaker 2>and then he says roommate and then the teacher.

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<v Speaker 4>Tear him up? How could he cannot tear him a

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<v Speaker 4>new one?

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<v Speaker 1>For right there?

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<v Speaker 4>A roommate right when.

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<v Speaker 2>Donna walked in the apartment. Yeah, and she doesn't even

0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:05.680
<v Speaker 2>see the girl's face, Like she doesn't even see her

0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:10.600
<v Speaker 2>or not, she doesn't know anything about her, but she

0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:14.680
<v Speaker 2>just automatically gets like upset and hates her because they're

0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:15.760
<v Speaker 2>playing the piano tagarts and.

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<v Speaker 1>She was so bitter. Yeah, she was so aggressively bitter

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<v Speaker 1>about it.

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<v Speaker 6>So do we know.

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<v Speaker 2>If Sydney Brown who played Holly Marlowe.

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<v Speaker 1>So we think she was not because she was in

0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:32.720
<v Speaker 1>an episode of Mad About You where she was not blind,

0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:35.959
<v Speaker 1>so we're not assuming she wasn't, which actually also wouldn't

0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:40.919
<v Speaker 1>happen today. You would never cast somebody I mean, I

0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 1>guess like Jamie Fox as Ray, but you would not

0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:50.520
<v Speaker 1>probably cast that part to a non blind actor. No, right,

0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:53.320
<v Speaker 1>that's not that sort of is kind of not cool.

0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:57.840
<v Speaker 2>She was very good at it. She was very convincing.

0:24:57.960 --> 0:24:59.760
<v Speaker 2>I thought she was blind one hundred percent.

0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:03.120
<v Speaker 3>Me too. We don't know if she was playing piano either.

0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:05.879
<v Speaker 2>I don't think she was playing piano.

0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:07.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to put a good she was good at.

0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:09.560
<v Speaker 5>I want to believe he was blind more than she

0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:11.920
<v Speaker 5>was playing that piano. I mean, that's not easy stuff

0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:12.600
<v Speaker 5>to do, That's.

0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:14.280
<v Speaker 2>What Yeah, you can always tell when they cut away

0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:16.040
<v Speaker 2>to just the hand on the keys.

0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:20.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well Brian did Brian sleeve? Did Brian have that look?

0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:23.960
<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, those looked like Brian's hands.

0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:25.720
<v Speaker 4>Play the piano?

0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:28.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, maybe it was simple enough my go was he.

0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Was playing I think so too, I mean those look

0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:32.240
<v Speaker 2>like his hands.

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:36.320
<v Speaker 1>I feel like if this episode was forty four minutes,

0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:40.160
<v Speaker 1>that they only had script for like thirty nine minutes,

0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:43.840
<v Speaker 1>because there was a lot of keyboard in the beginning,

0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:46.320
<v Speaker 1>like just a lot of pill and then a lot

0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 1>of pill of calendar photos at the end, like a

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:53.400
<v Speaker 1>good solid minute ninety seconds just montage of calendar.

0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 3>So I'm like, I mean, I'm a big fan of

0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:56.719
<v Speaker 3>this episode.

0:25:56.760 --> 0:26:01.520
<v Speaker 1>I also remember like the photos from the calendar, Like

0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:03.199
<v Speaker 1>in my mind, I was like, oh, I've seen that.

0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:04.119
<v Speaker 3>I've seen that. I've seen that.

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:09.040
<v Speaker 1>Like it also was very especially like Brandon and Luke,

0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:12.879
<v Speaker 1>Like sorry Brandon and Dylan, Jason and Luke. Those are

0:26:12.920 --> 0:26:15.480
<v Speaker 1>sort of iconic images, like I remember him in that

0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 1>cap like.

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:20.960
<v Speaker 3>And that surfboard one waterfly.

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:25.880
<v Speaker 2>There's so those two couldn't like do it seriously. They

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:30.720
<v Speaker 2>had to make a mockery of it.

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:37.280
<v Speaker 4>With there Brian Brian young kid. Young Brian was so thin.

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:41.120
<v Speaker 2>I didn't hadn't hit his puberty yet, I don't think.

0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't know, but he didn't mind. I mean

0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:47.560
<v Speaker 4>he he.

0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:49.959
<v Speaker 2>Like embraced it, jumped in, took all his clothes.

0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:50.320
<v Speaker 5>I love.

0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:54.920
<v Speaker 2>On the couch with this full heart candy in front

0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:58.919
<v Speaker 2>of his you know, really good. I love that was

0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:01.639
<v Speaker 2>my favorite image. And and you looked really cute in

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:04.879
<v Speaker 2>your little golf totally, oh.

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:06.520
<v Speaker 4>My god, so stupid.

0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:10.119
<v Speaker 2>You know again, I had to rewind it because all

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:12.320
<v Speaker 2>the Boxers. They were panning across all the Boxers, all

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:14.840
<v Speaker 2>the different patterns, and I saw one that had sharks

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:16.800
<v Speaker 2>on it. I was like, oh my god, if Ian

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:18.520
<v Speaker 2>is wearing the Boxers with the.

0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:20.520
<v Speaker 3>Sharks on all that freak out crazy.

0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:23.120
<v Speaker 2>But it wasn't. You had ducks on yours, and yeah,

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:25.520
<v Speaker 2>the future on.

0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:28.040
<v Speaker 4>Me and I thought for a second my junk had

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:28.920
<v Speaker 4>dropped out the bottom.

0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:36.879
<v Speaker 2>I was very so when you're pulling them up, it

0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:38.240
<v Speaker 2>got a little breezy down there.

0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:41.159
<v Speaker 1>It was like a super cute bit, Like that was

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:41.960
<v Speaker 1>a cute bit.

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:44.120
<v Speaker 3>I was not mad at it at all.

0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:48.040
<v Speaker 2>No, And I remember having fun shooting that, like everybody

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:48.720
<v Speaker 2>just had fun.

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:53.159
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that was good fluff to support a storyline. You know,

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:57.520
<v Speaker 5>it was ever mentioned before or after, but that was

0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:02.000
<v Speaker 5>That was a great way to build the whole Yay

0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 5>storyline up. Yeah, help reveal facts and build story on.

0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 5>Good architects to build story on.

0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:14.200
<v Speaker 3>We got a brief view of Rocky two.

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:18.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, he's so cute. That dog Rocky too.

0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 2>And don't you know how sometimes you look like your dog.

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 2>I think Donna and Rocky two very similar, like color schemes.

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 2>They look so cute together.

0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 4>What happened to that dog?

0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Was that the only episode he was ever in? This

0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 2>was his second episode.

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:37.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that dog might kind of blink away?

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 4>And did they ever talk about where the dog went?

0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:42.720
<v Speaker 4>Did they ever talk about Rocky one?

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Rocky one went to Heaven?

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:46.560
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I don't know about Rocky two. I guess

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:52.360
<v Speaker 2>we'll wait and see what happens in the next, you know, episodes.

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Can I also say that I would have absolutely loved

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:13.959
<v Speaker 1>a Donna Deshaun storyline. They had chemistry tree right. That

0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 1>was a miss because they would have been great. They

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:20.120
<v Speaker 1>were really cute, they got along. I genuinely believed he

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 1>liked her. She was into it, like I.

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:24.080
<v Speaker 3>Would have liked that.

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:27.800
<v Speaker 4>Didn't they have an interracial couple with Vivica.

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:32.720
<v Speaker 5>Fox and Brandon and Jay Yeah, I forget the character's name,

0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 5>but yeah, there was.

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Andrea too, But they wouldn't like they just wouldn't let

0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:41.560
<v Speaker 1>it go a distance right, like they dip their toe in.

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:45.719
<v Speaker 2>That could have been a good storyline offshoot for her character.

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:49.600
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I was disappointed too because I always have

0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:53.360
<v Speaker 2>loved uh when they do stuff with DeShawn. I hate

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 2>it though that he was in another Uncle Sam outfit? Like, oh,

0:29:57.600 --> 0:29:59.040
<v Speaker 2>wasn't he in an Uncle Sam outfit?

0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:01.640
<v Speaker 3>And like, oh no, I didn't even pick up on

0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:02.200
<v Speaker 3>that in.

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 2>The sixties episode?

0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 3>Was he in the sixties episode?

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:09.160
<v Speaker 2>There was like a shot of him at the you know,

0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:12.640
<v Speaker 2>hippie thing and he was dressed as Uncle Sam.

0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:14.680
<v Speaker 4>Chris what a great guy?

0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's he's a really good actor and he is.

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:24.040
<v Speaker 2>I yeah, I saw when my note was Deshaun is

0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 2>the beautiful in that towel?

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:26.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wow, he was good.

0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Also, Leslie Sumner got about one thousand mentions in an

0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:36.880
<v Speaker 1>episode she is not in, like they really gave her.

0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 3>I was like, ps, who's lost?

0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 4>You know who she is?

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 5>She is?

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 2>When I was watching, I was like, wait, well.

0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 1>They could not have talked about her more? And am

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 1>I wrong? Or was Brenda literally in one scene no?

0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Three I think three minimal? Oh yeah, maybe when the

0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Wallses were packing all that lettuce.

0:30:57.200 --> 0:30:59.160
<v Speaker 2>What's happening by that? Like I said last week, is

0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 2>there a band aid that's about to get ripped off?

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's happening. It's making me very uncomfortable

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:06.200
<v Speaker 2>and men, yes, and you know when you're like, oh wait,

0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:07.960
<v Speaker 2>she's only in two scenes, she's only in three scenes.

0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, you're anticipating something, you just don't know what

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 2>it is, but we know what it is how it's handled.

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 3>This is the last five episodes she's in.

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I mean I think that's why, because I

0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:25.280
<v Speaker 1>mean I don't know, like there's all the rumors, but

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:27.400
<v Speaker 1>she they're definitely not using it.

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 2>It's so watching it as a fan now, completely taking

0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 2>my own experience out of it, which I've pretty much

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 2>forgotten anyway. Uh, I don't it's so fun when she's

0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:42.240
<v Speaker 2>around with the group, when they're all together and they're

0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 2>all having their laughs, like the photo shoot, you know,

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 2>Kelly and Brenda are just you know, ornery together and laughing,

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:54.560
<v Speaker 2>and I feel like that's gonna be so weird for

0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 2>me as a as a fan and as a viewer

0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 2>of the show for the first time to have one

0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:01.560
<v Speaker 2>of the main cares disappear.

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 4>What episode was she gone halfway through the fifth season?

0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:07.640
<v Speaker 1>No, the first Tiffany shows up in the very first

0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 1>episode of season five. So so Shannon only really has

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:15.560
<v Speaker 1>like five episodes left. I'm pretty sure she's got You've

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 1>got this. We're getting there, Like I think Brandon goes

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 1>to Washington soon remember that there's like the.

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 3>Mister Walsh goes to Washington.

0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:25.040
<v Speaker 1>Those are like that was like the big two parter,

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:27.480
<v Speaker 1>and then I think that's it. I think Tiffany rolls

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:29.240
<v Speaker 1>in in season five episode one?

0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 3>Is that right?

0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:31.480
<v Speaker 5>Wait?

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:38.080
<v Speaker 3>Season five or season? What do we all? Season four? Okay? Yeah, yeah, but.

0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 1>It does seem obvious now with our like knowing what

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 1>we know that she was slowly sort of disappearing.

0:32:46.600 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, except for that weird six Days episode, which.

0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 2>Which I kind of wish she had disappeared. Sorry, everyone's

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 2>gonna hate that.

0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:57.600
<v Speaker 1>No, Charles Rosen, Like, Charles Rosen reached out. He's coming

0:32:57.600 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 1>on because he wants to defend that episode, which I

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:00.360
<v Speaker 1>was like ring it.

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:03.320
<v Speaker 3>We got a lot of We got a lot of

0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:04.239
<v Speaker 3>questions about that.

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:09.680
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't offended, but yeah, everybody's entitled to their opinion.

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 3>And we no, maybe he can convince us we were wrong.

0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm here for it.

0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 1>No, So, like, how do you guys feel about this

0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:17.400
<v Speaker 1>episode as a whole?

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:20.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh, we usually rate it. Do you want to?

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 4>It was clear that I thought it sucked.

0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 2>I know, how many fingers one out of ten would

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 2>you give it?

0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:28.080
<v Speaker 3>Two.

0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 5>You know, there were some very wonderful moments within this.

0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:35.840
<v Speaker 5>It can't go any lower than a five any episode.

0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, it can because it has. But okay, was a three? Well,

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:42.920
<v Speaker 2>if you take the script, is the script right?

0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>I actually think you all did very well with what

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:49.320
<v Speaker 1>you were given. So for a person like me, that's

0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 1>the fan I was hooked in, even though there's a

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 1>couple of moments that were cringey. I think in the

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:57.200
<v Speaker 1>nineties I probably was like, this is great. I'm not

0:33:57.200 --> 0:33:58.720
<v Speaker 1>sure I would have thought it was cringing.

0:33:58.440 --> 0:33:59.080
<v Speaker 3>In the nineties.

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 4>No, would you even know what that was to be?

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 4>You know, ringy?

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.640
<v Speaker 3>That's a great question. That's like literally the best question.

0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 3>Did we cringe at things?

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:15.840
<v Speaker 4>We must say, maybe winds like, but is it cringey?

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:17.720
<v Speaker 2>We gagged with a spoon?

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:18.080
<v Speaker 5>No.

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:20.839
<v Speaker 1>I think then we would have been like, I don't

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:24.839
<v Speaker 1>think we would have realized how horrific Artie was and

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:26.920
<v Speaker 1>just how sort of Steve was not getting it right,

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 1>do you know what I mean? Like, I think we

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:30.360
<v Speaker 1>would have been like, Okay, this is the story, and

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:32.520
<v Speaker 1>we would have just followed along in the story, and

0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:34.840
<v Speaker 1>at the end we would have been like, yeah, get lost,

0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Artie everybody else is great, Bye bye Arty.

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:41.719
<v Speaker 5>You know, I think if I would have given this

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 5>a little higher mars, if there was a build up

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 5>to Steve's homophobia, if there were other things that led

0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:51.040
<v Speaker 5>up to it other than this one episode would all

0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:55.480
<v Speaker 5>of a sudden nowhere out of nowhere. It's just something

0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:57.240
<v Speaker 5>that that I really felt.

0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:58.840
<v Speaker 4>The show got wlong several times.

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, and we all forget what some David Lasher's character

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 1>gay remember that in like season one, Yeah, yeah, so's

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:14.920
<v Speaker 1>yeah right, and like it was no big thing. So

0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:17.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but I give this an eight and

0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 1>a half. I love it.

0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:22.720
<v Speaker 2>That's okay, I'm going to give it a six.

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:28.279
<v Speaker 1>I was like at the end when after the calendar thing,

0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:30.360
<v Speaker 1>I turn off my team and I'm like that that

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:30.960
<v Speaker 1>was awesome.

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it redeemed itself with the calendar shoot.

0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:40.319
<v Speaker 3>Totally and the speech. Steve's speech really kind of brought it.

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:40.600
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:43.120
<v Speaker 1>The guys did the right thing, they really did, and

0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:44.640
<v Speaker 1>they didn't do the right thing in like a super

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:45.239
<v Speaker 1>cheesy way.

0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 3>They did the right thing in the right way. It

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:50.560
<v Speaker 3>was just getting there. It had some flaws a lot

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 3>of flaws.

0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:54.680
<v Speaker 1>And then you're so mad you didn't get to the

0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Dodger game till the fourth inning, and I'm like, that's

0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:57.520
<v Speaker 1>when we all get there.

0:35:57.680 --> 0:35:58.360
<v Speaker 3>Like that was fine.

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 4>Just never ever do.

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 5>A series of writers episodes to see if there's any uniformity,

0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:15.960
<v Speaker 5>anything that is obvious that one particular writer's style, Like

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<v Speaker 5>I think Kenny Stringer.

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<v Speaker 4>Did maybe four or five episodes. It would be interesting

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<v Speaker 4>to see.

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:23.319
<v Speaker 3>That's a great question.

0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:28.480
<v Speaker 5>To do, like segmented series of Okay, now we're exploring

0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:32.360
<v Speaker 5>Larry Mullins, now we're exploring exploring Ken Stringers.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, we can definitely tell.

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:38.239
<v Speaker 3>We can definitely tell.

0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:41.560
<v Speaker 1>When Jason directs, the episodes have a totally different and

0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:42.359
<v Speaker 1>we've talked about that.

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:43.719
<v Speaker 3>They have a total They sort of.

0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Have a like a I don't know how to explain it.

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:49.000
<v Speaker 3>They have like a.

0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Little movement more fun.

0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:54.479
<v Speaker 1>It's more fun, wacky sort of there's like, I don't

0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:58.239
<v Speaker 1>a zutle zing to them, right. If you watch them,

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:00.560
<v Speaker 1>you totally get You're like, oh, yeah, it's got a

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 1>different tone and I don't mind it.

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 5>I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's fun to see you guys. Whenever Jason directs,

0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 2>it's fun to see the guys scenes because we Tory

0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:15.640
<v Speaker 2>and I know what was going on behind the camera

0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:19.799
<v Speaker 2>and off set, you know, so it kind of comes

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:21.799
<v Speaker 2>across in the storytelling.

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Did we decide that Jason directed the Sixties one? He did, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he did the Magic Mountain one, and they

0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:29.160
<v Speaker 1>do they're sort of zany.

0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Like like, yeah.

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:39.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the funniest is like the one, the best one

0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:40.880
<v Speaker 1>is the one of the Magic Mountain because it's so

0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:43.759
<v Speaker 1>like I literally picture all y'all like kind of like

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:46.520
<v Speaker 1>this doing that commercial. It's very inane.

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:52.200
<v Speaker 2>It's like, yeah, yeah, I like it. Well that's it.

0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:53.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we really don't have anything else to talk

0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:56.719
<v Speaker 2>about with this episode. I don't feel like there were

0:37:57.320 --> 0:37:58.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, we covered it all.

0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:04.800
<v Speaker 5>He had asked me if if I would write lines

0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:05.960
<v Speaker 5>on Jason's forehead.

0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:07.160
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, wait Mite.

0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:08.520
<v Speaker 3>That was oh my god.

0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Before we came on you guys, Iron revealed something amazingly.

0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:13.080
<v Speaker 3>You have to tell this.

0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:18.000
<v Speaker 5>We would shooting double up episodes. I think we did

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:21.120
<v Speaker 5>thirty two episodes one season, and it was at a

0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:24.399
<v Speaker 5>point where we would have to shoot two episodes.

0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:27.480
<v Speaker 4>In the time of one. So we had mirror crews.

0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 5>There were two makeup trailers, there were two wardrobe departments.

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:34.240
<v Speaker 5>There were two of everything, two cameras working on different

0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:38.920
<v Speaker 5>shows simultaneously at the sound stage, or maybe somebody was

0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:43.880
<v Speaker 5>on location, whatever it was, and it happened so quick.

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:46.600
<v Speaker 5>There was so much work in such a short amount

0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:49.520
<v Speaker 5>of time. You know, we really would rely on the

0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:53.799
<v Speaker 5>script supervisor to help get us into where we are

0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:56.719
<v Speaker 5>what we're doing, because I just came from another set.

0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:59.560
<v Speaker 5>We would go back and forth between different episodes and

0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:02.319
<v Speaker 5>would be confusing. And you know, there were a couple

0:39:02.360 --> 0:39:04.160
<v Speaker 5>of times where I would have so many words I

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:07.400
<v Speaker 5>couldn't remember my lines that I would cut up in

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:09.520
<v Speaker 5>the cut script and I would put it on Jason's

0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 5>chest and I would take it to his chest and

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:17.320
<v Speaker 5>I would put my hand on his shoulder and lean in.

0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:22.000
<v Speaker 4>And you know, the camera would be over his shoulder.

0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:25.360
<v Speaker 5>You couldn't obviously see, but just to give me some

0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:27.720
<v Speaker 5>cheat sheet to know what I was saying.

0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:30.200
<v Speaker 4>So, yeah, that happened several times.

0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 3>I think the Friends.

0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:34.799
<v Speaker 1>The Friends cast is admitted to having their scripts like

0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:36.719
<v Speaker 1>on the dinner table.

0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 3>Kind of thing.

0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:40.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, oh, there's got to be some scripts that you know,

0:39:40.960 --> 0:39:44.040
<v Speaker 5>little easter eggs on our show where oh.

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:47.600
<v Speaker 4>That's a script right there, on the table. I haven't

0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:49.400
<v Speaker 4>noticed it, but it'd be interesting to hear from.

0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 5>The fans that are watching to, you know, question, what

0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:58.000
<v Speaker 5>what does this you know, little have thing that's sitting

0:39:58.080 --> 0:39:59.439
<v Speaker 5>on the sofa back there.

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:01.040
<v Speaker 4>You know, we were all on the time.

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:04.080
<v Speaker 5>That's good, you know, whether they were the day's sides

0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:05.960
<v Speaker 5>or an actual script or whatever.

0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:08.920
<v Speaker 4>There's always, you know, every once in a while.

0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:12.560
<v Speaker 1>I also thought everyone got a haircut for this episode.

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:15.439
<v Speaker 1>Like literally everyone looked like they had fresh haircuts. I'm

0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 1>convinced y'all get them. At the same time, I'm like,

0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:18.400
<v Speaker 1>everyone looks like they had a haircut.

0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:21.440
<v Speaker 5>I was wearing a kind of tight I think I

0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:24.160
<v Speaker 5>was using a little final net on that ship, didn't

0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:27.480
<v Speaker 5>I didn't, you know, I would set it and forget

0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:28.359
<v Speaker 5>to walk out.

0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:28.759
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:32.400
<v Speaker 5>Luke was always like fixing this up due Jason's always

0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:36.759
<v Speaker 5>straightening his browse his cydeburns because he had some unruly ones.

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:39.000
<v Speaker 4>He always wanted to same direction. You know.

0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:44.120
<v Speaker 5>Brian would like, shave it down, it wouldn't move, But me, like, if.

0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:47.000
<v Speaker 4>It got too big, it would be crazy. Yeah, I'd

0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:48.239
<v Speaker 4>spray it down with.

0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:51.080
<v Speaker 2>Some It's not called final net, by the way, I

0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:53.719
<v Speaker 2>thought that was hairspray Final Net. It was one Net.

0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:57.319
<v Speaker 3>What's I think?

0:40:57.360 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 4>Actually it was a product called A vec A V

0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:06.880
<v Speaker 4>E C. It was like glue. I don't know.

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:09.319
<v Speaker 5>Clearly nobody was talking to me about how my hair

0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:11.080
<v Speaker 5>should because it was nightmare.

0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:14.080
<v Speaker 2>You're acting was so good, and your teeth are so bright.

0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:15.440
<v Speaker 3>The smile is noticed.

0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:21.280
<v Speaker 1>The smile is so dreamy, like Steve can do anything

0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:22.560
<v Speaker 1>because he just gives that smile.

0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:25.400
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, it's fine, it's fine.

0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:29.080
<v Speaker 5>Well, I'm glad you think so amy, you know, I

0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:31.080
<v Speaker 5>think I think I know what you're saying. The episode

0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:35.800
<v Speaker 5>where Steve was Santa Claus in the that was cute

0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:37.000
<v Speaker 5>was that the smile is.

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:40.400
<v Speaker 1>That the stranger smile is weirdly the sixties episode and

0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:43.520
<v Speaker 1>other people other fans noticed it too. They they wrote

0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:45.920
<v Speaker 1>us that they because we commented on it for a

0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:48.760
<v Speaker 1>good long minute because it was so charming.

0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:51.920
<v Speaker 4>Well, if anybody sees it, screenshot it and send it

0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:55.640
<v Speaker 4>to me. Dealing on social that is not serious. If

0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:57.879
<v Speaker 4>it's that good, I need to recreate this really good.

0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:02.719
<v Speaker 1>It's almost like like it's that good. It doesn't have that,

0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:04.040
<v Speaker 1>but it's like a little effect.

0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:06.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you should have had an effect, little sound effect,

0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:10.040
<v Speaker 5>a little sparkle on the K nine.

0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not I know this episode has some cringe, but

0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:14.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm not mad at it.

0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:15.080
<v Speaker 3>It was good.

0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:18.040
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't nearly as bad as last week, so I'm

0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:22.280
<v Speaker 2>feeling better about continuing forward, which reminds me next week

0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:23.879
<v Speaker 2>we are moving on.

0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:25.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what's the next one?

0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:30.279
<v Speaker 2>The next episode is something about Divas? I think, uh, yeah,

0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:34.880
<v Speaker 2>well it's called Divas. It's a season four episode twenty seven. Everybody,

0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:37.520
<v Speaker 2>do your homework, watch the show so we can rip

0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:38.000
<v Speaker 2>it apart.

0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:38.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we literally have.

0:42:39.000 --> 0:42:41.480
<v Speaker 4>How many episodes did we do this season? Thirty two?

0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:43.800
<v Speaker 4>Thirty two? Season of double ups?

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:46.200
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a little confusing if you count the

0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:47.839
<v Speaker 1>finale as one or two. I think we're gonna count

0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:50.279
<v Speaker 1>as two, So thirty one thirty two because it's like

0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:51.400
<v Speaker 1>a big two hour finale.

0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:51.799
<v Speaker 4>I think.

0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:54.839
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, this was one of those years where we, yeah,

0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:57.480
<v Speaker 5>were two crews for like five or six episodes.

0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:04.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh brutal, wow, yep, and we're still standing. Thank you

0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:05.359
<v Speaker 2>I for.

0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:12.719
<v Speaker 1>Coming, and Amy, thank you so much for including me

0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:13.759
<v Speaker 1>and your little party here.

0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:18.359
<v Speaker 4>Happy to sit in. I hope Toy is feeling better soon.

0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you yeah. In the everybody, have a great week.

0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:25.200
<v Speaker 2>We love you.

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<v Speaker 4>Bye everybody.