Speaker 1: It's nine O Gen one with Jenny Garth and Tory Spelling.
Speaker 2: Oh and gee you guys. Yeah, yeah, this is crazy.
Speaker 2: Tory is not with us again this week. She's not
Speaker 2: feeling well. But we have a very very very very
Speaker 2: very very very special guest host today, don't we, Amy.
Speaker 3: I mean, I obviously agree.
Speaker 2: We have the number one, the number one, your number one,
Speaker 2: really and truly, let's introduce him without further ado. It's
Speaker 2: mister Iron's hearing.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much.
Speaker 5: It's always thanks for having me on the podcast with
Speaker 5: you guys.
Speaker 4: This is always exciting.
Speaker 2: We love having you here. We love it.
Speaker 3: I only get nerves. I only get nervous when I'm here.
Speaker 1: But we we have to ask because you were the
Speaker 1: big topic a couple of weeks ago in an episode
Speaker 1: we didn't love, but we loved your smile.
Speaker 2: Oh it was last week, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: It feels like a year ago, but I think it
Speaker 1: was last night.
Speaker 5: Was this?
Speaker 2: Do you remember the sixties episode oh with the wigs? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: he remembers that.
Speaker 1: Literally, think we said the only thing that we love
Speaker 1: about this episode is Steve Sanders smile.
Speaker 2: Where'd you get that smile?
Speaker 4: Uh? I bought it.
Speaker 5: I mean, like just about every other tooth in my
Speaker 5: mouth is not homegrown, So why not? No?
Speaker 2: Amy was asking, was that was that a smile that
Speaker 2: you procured just for the character of Steve Sanders or
Speaker 2: was this is this? Was this an Ion Zeering special?
Speaker 2: And I said, that's Ian's smile, that's his grint. That's
Speaker 2: like you're eating grin. You know that that one right there.
Speaker 4: I was bored with it. I was bored. I didn't
Speaker 4: you're eight. I didn't create a smile for the character.
Speaker 1: So dreamy though, And when Steve does it, it's so like, oh,
Speaker 1: I just can't I can't even I can't even mind his.
Speaker 3: Like crazy antics because the smile.
Speaker 2: So oftentimes we all have, we all three have the
Speaker 2: same notes on certain beats of the show, and this
Speaker 2: was a beat that both Amy and I were like,
Speaker 2: that smile, Oh my god, I will do for him.
Speaker 4: I don't even know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: I do, I sure do, I sure do.
Speaker 2: Well, whatever we're done building up, let's break him down now. O.
Speaker 1: No, first, first, before I have to say, he's at
Speaker 1: the jukebox and the whole thing is kind of like ridiculous,
Speaker 1: And then iron slash Steve just gives us this smile
Speaker 1: and the whole thing.
Speaker 3: It's like, Oh, the episode's good. Okay, I'm in.
Speaker 2: For a moment. The episode was good because last week
Speaker 2: with Pete you but this week you guys. Episode twenty
Speaker 2: six blind Spot aired April sixth, nineteen ninety four. Amy,
Speaker 2: Would you like to read the synopsis this?
Speaker 3: I would.
Speaker 1: I finally learned how Steve Sanders can't keep a secret
Speaker 1: and accidentally betrays his buddy. David is vibing with his
Speaker 1: piano teacher. Well, Donna seeks revenge with DeShawn. Kelly's trying
Speaker 1: to get the guys to take their bands off for
Speaker 1: a good cause.
Speaker 2: Directed by Michael Lang, written by Ken Stringer. Do you
Speaker 2: remember Ken Stringer? See?
Speaker 4: I sure do.
Speaker 5: He was an assistant director and then he became the
Speaker 5: scheduling czar and then out of nowhere, I'm seeing scripts
Speaker 5: that he has written. So he's one of the many
Speaker 5: people that infiltrated the system.
Speaker 2: Well, this is one of them. This is his episode.
Speaker 2: And this is kind of a prickly episode, if you will.
Speaker 2: It's about a very sensitive subject matter, and certainly a
Speaker 2: subject matter that probably hadn't been talked about on a
Speaker 2: teen show back in nineteen ninety four, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Barshaw was ahead of its time and a lot
Speaker 5: of totally this is something that you know wasn't really
Speaker 5: discussed out in the open, you know, and.
Speaker 2: Affering to Yeah, the homophobic undertones of this episode are undeniable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, clearly.
Speaker 5: That's It's interesting to me that this was called blind
Speaker 5: spot when that really wasn't a storyline, right, you know,
Speaker 5: was that an attempt to hide?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I always love trying to figure out what the
Speaker 2: heck the title of the show means. But you just
Speaker 2: made me realize that the titles referring to David's storyline, yep,
Speaker 2: and not basically the a storyline this week.
Speaker 1: Unless at first Steve had a blind spot to what
Speaker 1: should be and then by the end of the episode
Speaker 1: he really realizes where he went wrong and what was
Speaker 1: the right thing to do.
Speaker 5: Just say, I'm sure that's how they rationalized it too.
Speaker 4: I don't see it that way, but you know, it's
Speaker 4: a groundbreaking episode, you know, very typical for them to
Speaker 4: use Steve Sanders as the foil.
Speaker 5: There were a lot of episodes that I had to
Speaker 5: do that really wasn't happy about. I think the worst
Speaker 5: of all of them was when I became a living
Speaker 5: PSA for sunblock. While skin cancer is a very serious problem,
Speaker 5: it was so stupid, Like this is another one of
Speaker 5: those episodes where.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I think they dropped the ball.
Speaker 5: This could have been handled in such a way that
Speaker 5: would have been more meaningful and less buffoonish. You know,
Speaker 5: I think it's was really out of character for Steve to,
Speaker 5: you know, if he was really friends with this guy,
Speaker 5: to let the cat out of the bag.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all know one thing about Steve Sanders, it's
Speaker 2: that he was a good friend to people. Like, if
Speaker 2: you were in Steve's inner circle, you didn't this didn't happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'd fight for you, right, especially after what he
Speaker 1: did for you, you would have never betrayed him.
Speaker 5: And he was the KEG president. So it's like, but
Speaker 5: it was again Steve being the foil. You know, it
Speaker 5: would have been out of character for Brandon to be homophobic.
Speaker 5: It would have been out of character for Dylan or
Speaker 5: David Silver.
Speaker 4: But you know, with all the.
Speaker 5: At A, they never minded putting Steve out of character.
Speaker 1: They love to make Steve learn a lesson. They love
Speaker 1: to have Steve get it wrong in the beginning of
Speaker 1: the episode and then fully get it right by the end.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it could have been so much more powerful.
Speaker 5: If they wanted to explore homophobia, then Steve should have
Speaker 5: had a kiss to figure out what the hell's going
Speaker 5: on here, you know, and then.
Speaker 4: Maybe the realization was for Steve that.
Speaker 5: You know, it's not for me, it's not for Steve,
Speaker 5: it's just not you know, handled it that way, you know,
Speaker 5: I think it could have been. I don't think the
Speaker 5: episode was really well written. I think it was pushed
Speaker 5: and a little forced and contrived, and I think they
Speaker 5: missed an opportunity to do something that really could have
Speaker 5: spoken a lot louder to the situation, the problem of homophobia,
Speaker 5: rather than addressing the stereotypes that break it that, you know,
Speaker 5: break homosexuality down to something that's verboten, something that's like, ooh,
Speaker 5: don't do that.
Speaker 2: I think back then it was more about stereotypes. It
Speaker 2: wasn't as flushed out of as a topic, especially on
Speaker 2: TV primetime teen drama.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, everyone's situation is different. I mean I grew up
Speaker 5: in New Jersey, going into New York City every day auditioning.
Speaker 5: When I was fourteen years old, I was an understudy
Speaker 5: and a Broadway play.
Speaker 4: I was in the chorus for.
Speaker 5: I Remember Mama, and like every man in the chorus
Speaker 5: was gay.
Speaker 4: And I'm looking at this in the mirror, thinking, wow,
Speaker 4: I'm an actor. Am I gay? I don't think so.
Speaker 4: I kind of had a girlfriend. I kind of like girls,
Speaker 4: but I'm an actor, and so am I gay?
Speaker 5: And you know, it was never anything that really crystallized
Speaker 5: in my mind till I was in college and one
Speaker 5: of my classmates is in the bar at night on
Speaker 5: Thursday night, we had a rat scaler at William Patterson
Speaker 5: University and I'm looking at the girls on.
Speaker 4: The dance floor and he says, Hey, could I buy
Speaker 4: you a drink?
Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh, no, I I just got a beer.
Speaker 5: And I'm like looking at the girls on the dance floor.
Speaker 5: And while my elbows are on the bar. While I'm
Speaker 5: looking at the dance floor, his elbow he's right next
Speaker 5: to me, and I kind of feel his elbow touch
Speaker 5: of mind. I look down and I look up at
Speaker 5: him and he's looking at me, and I knew he
Speaker 5: was a gay man, and I thought first it crystallized
Speaker 5: in my mind. I had never had any homosexual experience,
Speaker 5: but that moment right there crystallized for me.
Speaker 4: Then I'm a heterosexual man.
Speaker 5: I told him. I said, look flattered, but it's not.
Speaker 5: It's just not me.
Speaker 4: But you know, more power to you.
Speaker 5: So it was never really a problem for me to
Speaker 5: be around the gay community.
Speaker 4: I accepted it. It's just, Hey, you know, everyone, you're.
Speaker 5: Lucky enough to find love. I don't care how you
Speaker 5: find it, if you can find it, or power to you. So,
Speaker 5: you know, maybe my perspective was a little scute. I
Speaker 5: wasn't happy with this episode. I wasn't happy with the writing,
Speaker 5: but nobody ever listened to me, so I did my job.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to ask you a question. You said this,
Speaker 2: you crystallize in that moment in college that you weren't gay.
Speaker 2: But what about that moment in the jacuzzie with me?
Speaker 4: Oh? That was way after Jenny. Yeah, are we talking
Speaker 4: about that?
Speaker 3: Jenny?
Speaker 1: Wait?
Speaker 2: I need to know what happened to me and my
Speaker 2: boyfriend at the time. We used to like to hang
Speaker 2: out with Ian and his girlfriend. I loved I and
Speaker 2: I want to hang out with them all the time.
Speaker 2: Apparently my boyfriend loved Ian too.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: Wow, you're not going to talk about it.
Speaker 3: You've told the turn. I wasn't expecting I'll talk.
Speaker 4: I'll talk about it.
Speaker 5: We were we went out one night, had a great time,
Speaker 5: went back to where I was living at the time,
Speaker 5: my girlfriend and I.
Speaker 2: We all was in an apartment.
Speaker 6: I remember we all got into uh a jacuzzi and uh,
Speaker 6: you know, I had my back to Janny and her boyfriend,
Speaker 6: and I'm.
Speaker 5: Making out with my girl and I think that they're
Speaker 5: doing the same thing at my back, and then all
Speaker 5: of a sudden, I feel like someone touching my shoulder,
Speaker 5: and you know, as I'm hugging my girl, I'm thinking.
Speaker 4: Nine oh two one, Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Here, I'm thinking, like this is gonna be a hot
Speaker 5: night of monkey love.
Speaker 4: It's gonna go down. And as like I'm getting like crazy,
Speaker 4: I turn and I look.
Speaker 5: In my shoulder and they're hairy knuckles, not the feminine.
Speaker 3: Did you think it was Jenny?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was hoping it was me, absolutely, but.
Speaker 4: It was the hairy knuckle guy. And I was like, wow,
Speaker 4: it was a huge record scratch. I'm just not gay.
Speaker 1: I think that's interesting because most people watching nine O
Speaker 1: two and zero it was very like.
Speaker 3: Ahead of its time, Like you said, I am.
Speaker 1: I think today we're sort of cringe by parts of it,
Speaker 1: but then I think it was. And the one thing
Speaker 1: I will say that was really accurate is I went
Speaker 1: to a big college with fraternities where there were guys
Speaker 1: who were gay in the fraternity and they would have
Speaker 1: never He did not come out years later, So that
Speaker 1: part was very accurate, Like they definitely did not want
Speaker 1: anyone to know. Yeah, so that was that part. Mike Ryan,
Speaker 1: I have a question about him in a minute, but
Speaker 1: he was sort of accurate with the way he was
Speaker 1: portrayed already. Was the one where it was just like
Speaker 1: oh this.
Speaker 2: Oh he was a dipshit? What was this Jack Armstrong's
Speaker 2: first episode playing Mike Grind because Mike Grind's been played
Speaker 2: by two other actors previous. Yes, I think yes.
Speaker 3: And that's why it's so confusing because as.
Speaker 1: The fan or the viewer viewer, Yeah, when you go
Speaker 1: into the cafe, we're like who is that dude?
Speaker 3: Who is they don't know who that right?
Speaker 2: And then we go back to the even we go
Speaker 2: back to the cake house and we're still like, wait,
Speaker 2: who is he? And not until someone refers to him
Speaker 2: as you know, Mike Ryan, head of the KEG, a
Speaker 2: president of the KEG. Did we catch on? But that
Speaker 2: was very confusing, confusing for everybody. But he did a
Speaker 2: great job. And I remember working with him and he
Speaker 2: you know, he embraced this role and loved it and
Speaker 2: we had he had fun with it. Yeah, I can remember.
Speaker 3: He was a babe too. That guy was hot. That
Speaker 3: guy was He was perfect for that.
Speaker 1: I want to know what you guys, when you're watching it,
Speaker 1: are you cringe at some of the parts or are
Speaker 1: you like able to go back and say it was
Speaker 1: ahead of its time at the time, because that is real.
Speaker 1: There were guys in the fraternities that were gay that
Speaker 1: didn't want to say that part was very accurate.
Speaker 2: And was that kind of like you know, the way
Speaker 2: they treated him with the painting of his door pink
Speaker 2: and making all those terrible remarks to him in public
Speaker 2: and of other people, Like, was that is that something
Speaker 2: that went on in nineteen ninety four? Probably is that
Speaker 2: something that goes on today? Probably in certain places. But
Speaker 2: you know this, I think our show had to take
Speaker 2: a position on the story that they were telling, and
Speaker 2: the story that they were telling was really shaded from
Speaker 2: one perspective, we didn't get to hear, you know, Mike
Speaker 2: Ryan's story at all.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm trying to ads something here and I
Speaker 5: really don't know what to say. I was not happy
Speaker 5: with this episode. I like several of the I never
Speaker 5: really watched the show. How about that when it was on.
Speaker 5: I used to hear from my mom, who would watched
Speaker 5: the show? We were working?
Speaker 2: Or do they should do a podcast about it? Because
Speaker 2: then you can watch it for the first time.
Speaker 1: They do put Steve in a tough meaning you ian
Speaker 1: because they put Steve in this role of sort of
Speaker 1: being the buffoon in the beginning that doesn't really track
Speaker 1: with who he is.
Speaker 3: And then of course Brandon.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love Brandon, but he always has to
Speaker 1: get at it perfect, you know, he's always the smart,
Speaker 1: one perfect guy of course.
Speaker 5: Right, Well that's literally, literarily speaking, that's what a foil
Speaker 5: does is something that's juxtaposed to the protagonist who antagonist
Speaker 5: rather who is, shows a difference to highlight a particular situation.
Speaker 5: And you know, that's that was my job in a
Speaker 5: lot of these situations. But you know, personally I was
Speaker 5: never really comfortable with it, but again, just doing my job.
Speaker 4: You know, this is one of those episodes I didn't
Speaker 4: really care to watch.
Speaker 5: I thought it sucked when I read it. You know,
Speaker 5: it was a great story. I felt that they.
Speaker 4: Really missed the mark on making something that was impacted.
Speaker 2: You did do your job well because you did it
Speaker 2: with sensitivity, and you did it with you know this
Speaker 2: like wanting to learn. Like I could tell that your
Speaker 2: character was really open to learning and accepting, and that
Speaker 2: was a great message that your character was able to
Speaker 2: put out there for all the young guys watching the show.
Speaker 4: It could have been driven home so much stronger.
Speaker 1: I do think the speech at the end was very
Speaker 1: well done, though, when you're like, this is our brother,
Speaker 1: it doesn't nothing else matters than what this guy's character is.
Speaker 1: And I think you showed what the true character of
Speaker 1: Steve is by Ultimately, Steve always does the right thing,
Speaker 1: it just always takes him a minute to.
Speaker 5: Get there those words Reek of Steve Wasserman thinks, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 5: because he was always the voice of reason. You know,
Speaker 5: anytime I had an issue, I wouldn't go to Chuck Rosen,
Speaker 5: I would go to Wasserman or Cline and ask him
Speaker 5: what's And Steve always had a way of rationalizing it
Speaker 5: in a way that it kind of made sense to
Speaker 5: me that it had more gravitas and sincerity rather than
Speaker 5: something light and superficial. There was depth in the world,
Speaker 5: he would explain it. And in those words, where it
Speaker 5: what you know, fraternities are about brotherhood. Ah wow, full circle.
Speaker 5: But the wind up punch to deliver that was wasn't
Speaker 5: even a wind up was all over the place. You know,
Speaker 5: it was incongruous with the character.
Speaker 4: It was not in line with.
Speaker 5: You know, a lot of the stuff that uh my
Speaker 5: character brought to the table. And you know, we had
Speaker 5: a stretch and for me that that's a huge ask
Speaker 5: of the audience, you know, and that's why I would
Speaker 5: have a trouble when they would ask me to do
Speaker 5: this crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: Come on, come on, it does It's true because in
Speaker 1: this one, the only one getting it wrong is Steve essentially,
Speaker 1: and then that idiot already. But like Donna's got it right,
Speaker 1: Kelly's got it right, Brandon's got it right, and they're
Speaker 1: all so like just almost beautiful and articulate in the
Speaker 1: way they're expressing it. And then it's it is unfortunate,
Speaker 1: like it doesn't track that this group of friends, Steve
Speaker 1: is the only one that's fully just an idiot about it,
Speaker 1: Like he would have never.
Speaker 3: Outed that guy.
Speaker 2: He would minus. The sick thing is they thought I
Speaker 2: was one too, right, Yeah, Oh that bothered me so gross.
Speaker 4: All right, I had to say that out loud.
Speaker 2: You had to say that, and a few people heard it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and yet the show still continue to
Speaker 5: be wildly successful, you know, and you know it. Things
Speaker 5: like that are are damaging to the character. It's like,
Speaker 5: I don't like Steve for saying that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: He redeemed himself by the end.
Speaker 3: He does, he really does.
Speaker 2: That's how they'd love to teach the lessons to the people.
Speaker 3: Always with a bow, always, always with the bow.
Speaker 2: How about have you ever been to a gig gay
Speaker 2: coffeehouse where it's all gay men?
Speaker 3: That was the worst part of the whole thing for him.
Speaker 1: That doesn't even exist.
Speaker 4: They needed a vehicle, so they had to go. They
Speaker 4: couldn't go to a I guess they could. Could they
Speaker 4: have gone to a bar?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: I think we were too young, too.
Speaker 2: Young for a kid.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're not.
Speaker 2: That would have been good. What about when Brandon says, uh,
Speaker 2: they're not going to cop a feel over a cup
Speaker 2: of coffee. I'm not going to cop a feel.
Speaker 1: Do you want cappuccino? Do you want cappuccino? Do you
Speaker 1: want like cappuccino?
Speaker 4: Wait?
Speaker 2: Can you just clarify for me? Could you say that
Speaker 2: word again?
Speaker 5: Me?
Speaker 3: No, I iron cappuccino?
Speaker 4: What did I stutter? Cappuccino?
Speaker 2: Cappuccino? Why were you saying cappuccino?
Speaker 3: I didn't notice that?
Speaker 2: Well, bugged me? Cappuccino. I've never had a.
Speaker 3: Cop Can I just have one?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: Cute iron Jenny moment?
Speaker 1: Because you call her Gen and she calls you I,
Speaker 1: and I like want to faint. It's so oh cute,
Speaker 1: it's so freaking cute. And this is the first time
Speaker 1: you haven't just been together on a plane. By the way,
Speaker 1: could you two bump into each other more on a plane?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I'm gonna see Jenny at another event down in Tampa
Speaker 5: in September.
Speaker 4: I'll see the rest of the cast there as well.
Speaker 3: Hopefully.
Speaker 2: Will you please get on my flight.
Speaker 3: I need to know what this is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a it's a big nineties reunion kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Let's it's so much fun when we're together. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: how do you feel about being on the B list
Speaker 2: for the calendar, really sticking it to you, and yeah,
Speaker 2: you can't even get on the calendar.
Speaker 3: It's like.
Speaker 5: Way to strengthen your your characters, you know, you know,
Speaker 5: And I don't think I even raised a beef with that.
Speaker 5: Like whatever, let's just get through this people.
Speaker 2: You have another thing to worry about in this episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, true, like the ripped.
Speaker 2: Like like like preparing your chest hair for your shirtless
Speaker 2: scenes in the boxer shorts.
Speaker 4: I remember, did I save?
Speaker 2: I remember?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: You trimmed?
Speaker 4: I remember I always trimmed my manscape.
Speaker 2: You manscaped, but back then there was no term for it.
Speaker 2: There was no manscaping. But you were the person that
Speaker 2: taught me about manscaping.
Speaker 3: No way, you were.
Speaker 4: I talked to you about manscaping.
Speaker 2: You had your little peanut shaver thing, and in the
Speaker 2: makeup trailer you would fire that thing up and take
Speaker 2: your shirt off and just be.
Speaker 4: Like, the peanut is tiny. You got I wouldn't. Big
Speaker 4: Buzzer the one who taught me.
Speaker 2: That I had to groom my armed hair.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I told you how to groom your arm hair.
Speaker 2: Yes, you decided that it needed to be shortened. And
Speaker 2: you showed me how to do it.
Speaker 4: It was just a little too damn long.
Speaker 2: But it was for sure.
Speaker 1: Speaking of sort of like a couple of weird notes
Speaker 1: on this episode, one being when Brandon and Deshaun are
Speaker 1: in the locker room and Deshaun is fully shirtless with
Speaker 1: the towel around.
Speaker 5: Him in.
Speaker 1: Full shirt on close it a towel.
Speaker 2: Would you stand? Would you would you stand next to
Speaker 2: Shawn if you look like that? Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other cringey thing is how me and y'all are
Speaker 1: to Andrea for eating.
Speaker 3: She's pregnant.
Speaker 2: Shaming her? Is that what it's called?
Speaker 1: Now? She was pregnant, and the characters pregnant y'all.
Speaker 3: Are being so mean, like, oh, do you need two
Speaker 3: mega Brogers? You need two mega birgerds.
Speaker 1: Brenda was awful. She's like, I know, I need to
Speaker 1: stop eating and actually just shoving the noodles down, and
Speaker 1: then Brenda's like, yeah, you do, like it was just.
Speaker 2: Like and then Kelly says that he's eating for three
Speaker 2: Yeah means, listen, you get one chance, well maybe two
Speaker 2: or three in my case, to eat whatever five and
Speaker 2: Toy's case, to eat whatever you want and gain weight
Speaker 2: and it's okay, it's acceptable by society. Uh, but yeah,
Speaker 2: those are the days. Eat whatever the hell you want. People.
Speaker 3: What do we think of the David falling in love
Speaker 3: with the piano teachers for five minutes storyline? But really
Speaker 3: it was just.
Speaker 2: What Okay, I'm so confused. Are Donna and David back together?
Speaker 2: Are they boyfriend and girlfriend in the beginning of this
Speaker 2: episode because Donna says they are, but then he says roommates,
Speaker 2: and then he says roommate and then the teacher.
Speaker 4: Tear him up? How could he cannot tear him a
Speaker 4: new one?
Speaker 1: For right there?
Speaker 4: A roommate right when.
Speaker 2: Donna walked in the apartment. Yeah, and she doesn't even
Speaker 2: see the girl's face, Like she doesn't even see her
Speaker 2: or not, she doesn't know anything about her, but she
Speaker 2: just automatically gets like upset and hates her because they're
Speaker 2: playing the piano tagarts and.
Speaker 1: She was so bitter. Yeah, she was so aggressively bitter
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 6: So do we know.
Speaker 2: If Sydney Brown who played Holly Marlowe.
Speaker 1: So we think she was not because she was in
Speaker 1: an episode of Mad About You where she was not blind,
Speaker 1: so we're not assuming she wasn't, which actually also wouldn't
Speaker 1: happen today. You would never cast somebody I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess like Jamie Fox as Ray, but you would not
Speaker 1: probably cast that part to a non blind actor. No, right,
Speaker 1: that's not that sort of is kind of not cool.
Speaker 2: She was very good at it. She was very convincing.
Speaker 2: I thought she was blind one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: Me too. We don't know if she was playing piano either.
Speaker 2: I don't think she was playing piano.
Speaker 3: I'm going to put a good she was good at.
Speaker 5: I want to believe he was blind more than she
Speaker 5: was playing that piano. I mean, that's not easy stuff
Speaker 5: to do, That's.
Speaker 2: What Yeah, you can always tell when they cut away
Speaker 2: to just the hand on the keys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well Brian did Brian sleeve? Did Brian have that look?
Speaker 2: I was going to say, those looked like Brian's hands.
Speaker 4: Play the piano?
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it was simple enough my go was he.
Speaker 2: Was playing I think so too, I mean those look
Speaker 2: like his hands.
Speaker 1: I feel like if this episode was forty four minutes,
Speaker 1: that they only had script for like thirty nine minutes,
Speaker 1: because there was a lot of keyboard in the beginning,
Speaker 1: like just a lot of pill and then a lot
Speaker 1: of pill of calendar photos at the end, like a
Speaker 1: good solid minute ninety seconds just montage of calendar.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I mean, I'm a big fan of
Speaker 3: this episode.
Speaker 1: I also remember like the photos from the calendar, Like
Speaker 1: in my mind, I was like, oh, I've seen that.
Speaker 3: I've seen that. I've seen that.
Speaker 1: Like it also was very especially like Brandon and Luke,
Speaker 1: Like sorry Brandon and Dylan, Jason and Luke. Those are
Speaker 1: sort of iconic images, like I remember him in that
Speaker 1: cap like.
Speaker 3: And that surfboard one waterfly.
Speaker 2: There's so those two couldn't like do it seriously. They
Speaker 2: had to make a mockery of it.
Speaker 4: With there Brian Brian young kid. Young Brian was so thin.
Speaker 2: I didn't hadn't hit his puberty yet, I don't think.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know, but he didn't mind. I mean
Speaker 4: he he.
Speaker 2: Like embraced it, jumped in, took all his clothes.
Speaker 5: I love.
Speaker 2: On the couch with this full heart candy in front
Speaker 2: of his you know, really good. I love that was
Speaker 2: my favorite image. And and you looked really cute in
Speaker 2: your little golf totally, oh.
Speaker 4: My god, so stupid.
Speaker 2: You know again, I had to rewind it because all
Speaker 2: the Boxers. They were panning across all the Boxers, all
Speaker 2: the different patterns, and I saw one that had sharks
Speaker 2: on it. I was like, oh my god, if Ian
Speaker 2: is wearing the Boxers with the.
Speaker 3: Sharks on all that freak out crazy.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't. You had ducks on yours, and yeah,
Speaker 2: the future on.
Speaker 4: Me and I thought for a second my junk had
Speaker 4: dropped out the bottom.
Speaker 2: I was very so when you're pulling them up, it
Speaker 2: got a little breezy down there.
Speaker 1: It was like a super cute bit, Like that was
Speaker 1: a cute bit.
Speaker 3: I was not mad at it at all.
Speaker 2: No, And I remember having fun shooting that, like everybody
Speaker 2: just had fun.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was good fluff to support a storyline. You know,
Speaker 5: it was ever mentioned before or after, but that was
Speaker 5: That was a great way to build the whole Yay
Speaker 5: storyline up. Yeah, help reveal facts and build story on.
Speaker 5: Good architects to build story on.
Speaker 3: We got a brief view of Rocky two.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, he's so cute. That dog Rocky too.
Speaker 2: And don't you know how sometimes you look like your dog.
Speaker 2: I think Donna and Rocky two very similar, like color schemes.
Speaker 2: They look so cute together.
Speaker 4: What happened to that dog?
Speaker 2: Was that the only episode he was ever in? This
Speaker 2: was his second episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that dog might kind of blink away?
Speaker 4: And did they ever talk about where the dog went?
Speaker 4: Did they ever talk about Rocky one?
Speaker 3: Rocky one went to Heaven?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know about Rocky two. I guess
Speaker 2: we'll wait and see what happens in the next, you know, episodes.
Speaker 1: Can I also say that I would have absolutely loved
Speaker 1: a Donna Deshaun storyline. They had chemistry tree right. That
Speaker 1: was a miss because they would have been great. They
Speaker 1: were really cute, they got along. I genuinely believed he
Speaker 1: liked her. She was into it, like I.
Speaker 3: Would have liked that.
Speaker 4: Didn't they have an interracial couple with Vivica.
Speaker 5: Fox and Brandon and Jay Yeah, I forget the character's name,
Speaker 5: but yeah, there was.
Speaker 1: Andrea too, But they wouldn't like they just wouldn't let
Speaker 1: it go a distance right, like they dip their toe in.
Speaker 2: That could have been a good storyline offshoot for her character.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I was disappointed too because I always have
Speaker 2: loved uh when they do stuff with DeShawn. I hate
Speaker 2: it though that he was in another Uncle Sam outfit? Like, oh,
Speaker 2: wasn't he in an Uncle Sam outfit?
Speaker 3: And like, oh no, I didn't even pick up on
Speaker 3: that in.
Speaker 2: The sixties episode?
Speaker 3: Was he in the sixties episode?
Speaker 2: There was like a shot of him at the you know,
Speaker 2: hippie thing and he was dressed as Uncle Sam.
Speaker 4: Chris what a great guy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's a really good actor and he is.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I saw when my note was Deshaun is
Speaker 2: the beautiful in that towel?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, he was good.
Speaker 1: Also, Leslie Sumner got about one thousand mentions in an
Speaker 1: episode she is not in, like they really gave her.
Speaker 3: I was like, ps, who's lost?
Speaker 4: You know who she is?
Speaker 5: She is?
Speaker 2: When I was watching, I was like, wait, well.
Speaker 1: They could not have talked about her more? And am
Speaker 1: I wrong? Or was Brenda literally in one scene no?
Speaker 1: Three I think three minimal? Oh yeah, maybe when the
Speaker 1: Wallses were packing all that lettuce.
Speaker 2: What's happening by that? Like I said last week, is
Speaker 2: there a band aid that's about to get ripped off?
Speaker 2: I don't know what's happening. It's making me very uncomfortable
Speaker 2: and men, yes, and you know when you're like, oh wait,
Speaker 2: she's only in two scenes, she's only in three scenes.
Speaker 2: You know, you're anticipating something, you just don't know what
Speaker 2: it is, but we know what it is how it's handled.
Speaker 3: This is the last five episodes she's in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean I think that's why, because I
Speaker 1: mean I don't know, like there's all the rumors, but
Speaker 1: she they're definitely not using it.
Speaker 2: It's so watching it as a fan now, completely taking
Speaker 2: my own experience out of it, which I've pretty much
Speaker 2: forgotten anyway. Uh, I don't it's so fun when she's
Speaker 2: around with the group, when they're all together and they're
Speaker 2: all having their laughs, like the photo shoot, you know,
Speaker 2: Kelly and Brenda are just you know, ornery together and laughing,
Speaker 2: and I feel like that's gonna be so weird for
Speaker 2: me as a as a fan and as a viewer
Speaker 2: of the show for the first time to have one
Speaker 2: of the main cares disappear.
Speaker 4: What episode was she gone halfway through the fifth season?
Speaker 1: No, the first Tiffany shows up in the very first
Speaker 1: episode of season five. So so Shannon only really has
Speaker 1: like five episodes left. I'm pretty sure she's got You've
Speaker 1: got this. We're getting there, Like I think Brandon goes
Speaker 1: to Washington soon remember that there's like the.
Speaker 3: Mister Walsh goes to Washington.
Speaker 1: Those are like that was like the big two parter,
Speaker 1: and then I think that's it. I think Tiffany rolls
Speaker 1: in in season five episode one?
Speaker 3: Is that right?
Speaker 5: Wait?
Speaker 3: Season five or season? What do we all? Season four? Okay? Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: It does seem obvious now with our like knowing what
Speaker 1: we know that she was slowly sort of disappearing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, except for that weird six Days episode, which.
Speaker 2: Which I kind of wish she had disappeared. Sorry, everyone's
Speaker 2: gonna hate that.
Speaker 1: No, Charles Rosen, Like, Charles Rosen reached out. He's coming
Speaker 1: on because he wants to defend that episode, which I
Speaker 1: was like ring it.
Speaker 3: We got a lot of We got a lot of
Speaker 3: questions about that.
Speaker 2: He wasn't offended, but yeah, everybody's entitled to their opinion.
Speaker 3: And we no, maybe he can convince us we were wrong.
Speaker 3: I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: No, So, like, how do you guys feel about this
Speaker 1: episode as a whole?
Speaker 2: Oh, we usually rate it. Do you want to?
Speaker 4: It was clear that I thought it sucked.
Speaker 2: I know, how many fingers one out of ten would
Speaker 2: you give it?
Speaker 3: Two.
Speaker 5: You know, there were some very wonderful moments within this.
Speaker 5: It can't go any lower than a five any episode.
Speaker 2: Well, it can because it has. But okay, was a three? Well,
Speaker 2: if you take the script, is the script right?
Speaker 1: I actually think you all did very well with what
Speaker 1: you were given. So for a person like me, that's
Speaker 1: the fan I was hooked in, even though there's a
Speaker 1: couple of moments that were cringey. I think in the
Speaker 1: nineties I probably was like, this is great. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure I would have thought it was cringing.
Speaker 3: In the nineties.
Speaker 4: No, would you even know what that was to be?
Speaker 4: You know, ringy?
Speaker 3: That's a great question. That's like literally the best question.
Speaker 3: Did we cringe at things?
Speaker 4: We must say, maybe winds like, but is it cringey?
Speaker 2: We gagged with a spoon?
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: I think then we would have been like, I don't
Speaker 1: think we would have realized how horrific Artie was and
Speaker 1: just how sort of Steve was not getting it right,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like, I think we
Speaker 1: would have been like, Okay, this is the story, and
Speaker 1: we would have just followed along in the story, and
Speaker 1: at the end we would have been like, yeah, get lost,
Speaker 1: Artie everybody else is great, Bye bye Arty.
Speaker 5: You know, I think if I would have given this
Speaker 5: a little higher mars, if there was a build up
Speaker 5: to Steve's homophobia, if there were other things that led
Speaker 5: up to it other than this one episode would all
Speaker 5: of a sudden nowhere out of nowhere. It's just something
Speaker 5: that that I really felt.
Speaker 4: The show got wlong several times.
Speaker 1: Well, and we all forget what some David Lasher's character
Speaker 1: gay remember that in like season one, Yeah, yeah, so's
Speaker 1: yeah right, and like it was no big thing. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I give this an eight and
Speaker 1: a half. I love it.
Speaker 2: That's okay, I'm going to give it a six.
Speaker 1: I was like at the end when after the calendar thing,
Speaker 1: I turn off my team and I'm like that that
Speaker 1: was awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it redeemed itself with the calendar shoot.
Speaker 3: Totally and the speech. Steve's speech really kind of brought it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: The guys did the right thing, they really did, and
Speaker 1: they didn't do the right thing in like a super
Speaker 1: cheesy way.
Speaker 3: They did the right thing in the right way. It
Speaker 3: was just getting there. It had some flaws a lot
Speaker 3: of flaws.
Speaker 1: And then you're so mad you didn't get to the
Speaker 1: Dodger game till the fourth inning, and I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: when we all get there.
Speaker 3: Like that was fine.
Speaker 4: Just never ever do.
Speaker 5: A series of writers episodes to see if there's any uniformity,
Speaker 5: anything that is obvious that one particular writer's style, Like
Speaker 5: I think Kenny Stringer.
Speaker 4: Did maybe four or five episodes. It would be interesting
Speaker 4: to see.
Speaker 3: That's a great question.
Speaker 5: To do, like segmented series of Okay, now we're exploring
Speaker 5: Larry Mullins, now we're exploring exploring Ken Stringers.
Speaker 4: You know, we can definitely tell.
Speaker 3: We can definitely tell.
Speaker 1: When Jason directs, the episodes have a totally different and
Speaker 1: we've talked about that.
Speaker 3: They have a total They sort of.
Speaker 1: Have a like a I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 3: They have like a.
Speaker 2: Little movement more fun.
Speaker 1: It's more fun, wacky sort of there's like, I don't
Speaker 1: a zutle zing to them, right. If you watch them,
Speaker 1: you totally get You're like, oh, yeah, it's got a
Speaker 1: different tone and I don't mind it.
Speaker 5: I like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's fun to see you guys. Whenever Jason directs,
Speaker 2: it's fun to see the guys scenes because we Tory
Speaker 2: and I know what was going on behind the camera
Speaker 2: and off set, you know, so it kind of comes
Speaker 2: across in the storytelling.
Speaker 1: Did we decide that Jason directed the Sixties one? He did, right,
Speaker 1: and then he did the Magic Mountain one, and they
Speaker 1: do they're sort of zany.
Speaker 2: Like like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the funniest is like the one, the best one
Speaker 1: is the one of the Magic Mountain because it's so
Speaker 1: like I literally picture all y'all like kind of like
Speaker 1: this doing that commercial. It's very inane.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, yeah, I like it. Well that's it.
Speaker 2: I mean, we really don't have anything else to talk
Speaker 2: about with this episode. I don't feel like there were
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, we covered it all.
Speaker 5: He had asked me if if I would write lines
Speaker 5: on Jason's forehead.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, wait Mite.
Speaker 3: That was oh my god.
Speaker 1: Before we came on you guys, Iron revealed something amazingly.
Speaker 3: You have to tell this.
Speaker 5: We would shooting double up episodes. I think we did
Speaker 5: thirty two episodes one season, and it was at a
Speaker 5: point where we would have to shoot two episodes.
Speaker 4: In the time of one. So we had mirror crews.
Speaker 5: There were two makeup trailers, there were two wardrobe departments.
Speaker 5: There were two of everything, two cameras working on different
Speaker 5: shows simultaneously at the sound stage, or maybe somebody was
Speaker 5: on location, whatever it was, and it happened so quick.
Speaker 5: There was so much work in such a short amount
Speaker 5: of time. You know, we really would rely on the
Speaker 5: script supervisor to help get us into where we are
Speaker 5: what we're doing, because I just came from another set.
Speaker 5: We would go back and forth between different episodes and
Speaker 5: would be confusing. And you know, there were a couple
Speaker 5: of times where I would have so many words I
Speaker 5: couldn't remember my lines that I would cut up in
Speaker 5: the cut script and I would put it on Jason's
Speaker 5: chest and I would take it to his chest and
Speaker 5: I would put my hand on his shoulder and lean in.
Speaker 4: And you know, the camera would be over his shoulder.
Speaker 5: You couldn't obviously see, but just to give me some
Speaker 5: cheat sheet to know what I was saying.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, that happened several times.
Speaker 3: I think the Friends.
Speaker 1: The Friends cast is admitted to having their scripts like
Speaker 1: on the dinner table.
Speaker 3: Kind of thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh, there's got to be some scripts that you know,
Speaker 5: little easter eggs on our show where oh.
Speaker 4: That's a script right there, on the table. I haven't
Speaker 4: noticed it, but it'd be interesting to hear from.
Speaker 5: The fans that are watching to, you know, question, what
Speaker 5: what does this you know, little have thing that's sitting
Speaker 5: on the sofa back there.
Speaker 4: You know, we were all on the time.
Speaker 5: That's good, you know, whether they were the day's sides
Speaker 5: or an actual script or whatever.
Speaker 4: There's always, you know, every once in a while.
Speaker 1: I also thought everyone got a haircut for this episode.
Speaker 1: Like literally everyone looked like they had fresh haircuts. I'm
Speaker 1: convinced y'all get them. At the same time, I'm like,
Speaker 1: everyone looks like they had a haircut.
Speaker 5: I was wearing a kind of tight I think I
Speaker 5: was using a little final net on that ship, didn't
Speaker 5: I didn't, you know, I would set it and forget
Speaker 5: to walk out.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: Luke was always like fixing this up due Jason's always
Speaker 5: straightening his browse his cydeburns because he had some unruly ones.
Speaker 4: He always wanted to same direction. You know.
Speaker 5: Brian would like, shave it down, it wouldn't move, But me, like, if.
Speaker 4: It got too big, it would be crazy. Yeah, I'd
Speaker 4: spray it down with.
Speaker 2: Some It's not called final net, by the way, I
Speaker 2: thought that was hairspray Final Net. It was one Net.
Speaker 3: What's I think?
Speaker 4: Actually it was a product called A vec A V
Speaker 4: E C. It was like glue. I don't know.
Speaker 5: Clearly nobody was talking to me about how my hair
Speaker 5: should because it was nightmare.
Speaker 2: You're acting was so good, and your teeth are so bright.
Speaker 3: The smile is noticed.
Speaker 1: The smile is so dreamy, like Steve can do anything
Speaker 1: because he just gives that smile.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm glad you think so amy, you know, I
Speaker 5: think I think I know what you're saying. The episode
Speaker 5: where Steve was Santa Claus in the that was cute
Speaker 5: was that the smile is.
Speaker 1: That the stranger smile is weirdly the sixties episode and
Speaker 1: other people other fans noticed it too. They they wrote
Speaker 1: us that they because we commented on it for a
Speaker 1: good long minute because it was so charming.
Speaker 4: Well, if anybody sees it, screenshot it and send it
Speaker 4: to me. Dealing on social that is not serious. If
Speaker 4: it's that good, I need to recreate this really good.
Speaker 1: It's almost like like it's that good. It doesn't have that,
Speaker 1: but it's like a little effect.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you should have had an effect, little sound effect,
Speaker 5: a little sparkle on the K nine.
Speaker 1: I'm not I know this episode has some cringe, but
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at it.
Speaker 3: It was good.
Speaker 2: It wasn't nearly as bad as last week, so I'm
Speaker 2: feeling better about continuing forward, which reminds me next week
Speaker 2: we are moving on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the next one?
Speaker 2: The next episode is something about Divas? I think, uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: well it's called Divas. It's a season four episode twenty seven. Everybody,
Speaker 2: do your homework, watch the show so we can rip
Speaker 2: it apart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we literally have.
Speaker 4: How many episodes did we do this season? Thirty two?
Speaker 4: Thirty two? Season of double ups?
Speaker 1: I think it's a little confusing if you count the
Speaker 1: finale as one or two. I think we're gonna count
Speaker 1: as two, So thirty one thirty two because it's like
Speaker 1: a big two hour finale.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this was one of those years where we, yeah,
Speaker 5: were two crews for like five or six episodes.
Speaker 2: Oh brutal, wow, yep, and we're still standing. Thank you
Speaker 2: I for.
Speaker 1: Coming, and Amy, thank you so much for including me
Speaker 1: and your little party here.
Speaker 4: Happy to sit in. I hope Toy is feeling better soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah you yeah. In the everybody, have a great week.
Speaker 2: We love you.
Speaker 4: Bye everybody.