1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: It's nine O Gen one with Jenny Garth and Tory Spelling. 2 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: Oh and gee you guys. Yeah, yeah, this is crazy. 3 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 2: Tory is not with us again this week. She's not 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 2: feeling well. But we have a very very very very 5 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: very very very special guest host today, don't we, Amy. 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I obviously agree. 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: We have the number one, the number one, your number one, 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 2: really and truly, let's introduce him without further ado. It's 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: mister Iron's hearing. 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 4: Thank you very much. 11 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 5: It's always thanks for having me on the podcast with 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 5: you guys. 13 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 4: This is always exciting. 14 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: We love having you here. We love it. 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 3: I only get nerves. I only get nervous when I'm here. 16 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: But we we have to ask because you were the 17 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: big topic a couple of weeks ago in an episode 18 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: we didn't love, but we loved your smile. 19 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: Oh it was last week, wasn't it. 20 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: It feels like a year ago, but I think it 21 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: was last night. 22 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 5: Was this? 23 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 2: Do you remember the sixties episode oh with the wigs? Yeah? Yeah, 24 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 2: he remembers that. 25 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: Literally, think we said the only thing that we love 26 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: about this episode is Steve Sanders smile. 27 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 2: Where'd you get that smile? 28 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 4: Uh? I bought it. 29 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 5: I mean, like just about every other tooth in my 30 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 5: mouth is not homegrown, So why not? No? 31 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: Amy was asking, was that was that a smile that 32 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 2: you procured just for the character of Steve Sanders or 33 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: was this is this? Was this an Ion Zeering special? 34 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: And I said, that's Ian's smile, that's his grint. That's 35 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 2: like you're eating grin. You know that that one right there. 36 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 4: I was bored with it. I was bored. I didn't 37 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 4: you're eight. I didn't create a smile for the character. 38 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: So dreamy though, And when Steve does it, it's so like, oh, 39 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: I just can't I can't even I can't even mind his. 40 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 3: Like crazy antics because the smile. 41 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: So oftentimes we all have, we all three have the 42 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 2: same notes on certain beats of the show, and this 43 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: was a beat that both Amy and I were like, 44 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 2: that smile, Oh my god, I will do for him. 45 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 4: I don't even know what you're talking about. 46 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 3: I do, I sure do, I sure do. 47 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 2: Well, whatever we're done building up, let's break him down now. O. 48 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: No, first, first, before I have to say, he's at 49 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: the jukebox and the whole thing is kind of like ridiculous, 50 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: And then iron slash Steve just gives us this smile 51 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: and the whole thing. 52 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 3: It's like, Oh, the episode's good. Okay, I'm in. 53 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: For a moment. The episode was good because last week 54 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 2: with Pete you but this week you guys. Episode twenty 55 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: six blind Spot aired April sixth, nineteen ninety four. Amy, 56 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: Would you like to read the synopsis this? 57 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: I would. 58 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: I finally learned how Steve Sanders can't keep a secret 59 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: and accidentally betrays his buddy. David is vibing with his 60 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: piano teacher. Well, Donna seeks revenge with DeShawn. Kelly's trying 61 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: to get the guys to take their bands off for 62 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: a good cause. 63 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 2: Directed by Michael Lang, written by Ken Stringer. Do you 64 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 2: remember Ken Stringer? See? 65 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 4: I sure do. 66 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 5: He was an assistant director and then he became the 67 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 5: scheduling czar and then out of nowhere, I'm seeing scripts 68 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 5: that he has written. So he's one of the many 69 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 5: people that infiltrated the system. 70 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: Well, this is one of them. This is his episode. 71 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: And this is kind of a prickly episode, if you will. 72 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: It's about a very sensitive subject matter, and certainly a 73 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: subject matter that probably hadn't been talked about on a 74 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: teen show back in nineteen ninety four, right. 75 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, Barshaw was ahead of its time and a lot 76 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 5: of totally this is something that you know wasn't really 77 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 5: discussed out in the open, you know, and. 78 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: Affering to Yeah, the homophobic undertones of this episode are undeniable. 79 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, clearly. 80 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 5: That's It's interesting to me that this was called blind 81 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 5: spot when that really wasn't a storyline, right, you know, 82 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 5: was that an attempt to hide? 83 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? I always love trying to figure out what the 84 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: heck the title of the show means. But you just 85 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: made me realize that the titles referring to David's storyline, yep, 86 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 2: and not basically the a storyline this week. 87 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: Unless at first Steve had a blind spot to what 88 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: should be and then by the end of the episode 89 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: he really realizes where he went wrong and what was 90 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: the right thing to do. 91 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 5: Just say, I'm sure that's how they rationalized it too. 92 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 4: I don't see it that way, but you know, it's 93 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 4: a groundbreaking episode, you know, very typical for them to 94 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 4: use Steve Sanders as the foil. 95 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 5: There were a lot of episodes that I had to 96 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 5: do that really wasn't happy about. I think the worst 97 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,679 Speaker 5: of all of them was when I became a living 98 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 5: PSA for sunblock. While skin cancer is a very serious problem, 99 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 5: it was so stupid, Like this is another one of 100 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 5: those episodes where. 101 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 4: Honestly, I think they dropped the ball. 102 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 5: This could have been handled in such a way that 103 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 5: would have been more meaningful and less buffoonish. You know, 104 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 5: I think it's was really out of character for Steve to, 105 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 5: you know, if he was really friends with this guy, 106 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 5: to let the cat out of the bag. 107 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 3: I agree. 108 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, we all know one thing about Steve Sanders, it's 109 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 2: that he was a good friend to people. Like, if 110 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 2: you were in Steve's inner circle, you didn't this didn't happen. 111 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, he'd fight for you, right, especially after what he 112 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: did for you, you would have never betrayed him. 113 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 5: And he was the KEG president. So it's like, but 114 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 5: it was again Steve being the foil. You know, it 115 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 5: would have been out of character for Brandon to be homophobic. 116 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 5: It would have been out of character for Dylan or 117 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 5: David Silver. 118 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 4: But you know, with all the. 119 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 5: At A, they never minded putting Steve out of character. 120 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: They love to make Steve learn a lesson. They love 121 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: to have Steve get it wrong in the beginning of 122 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: the episode and then fully get it right by the end. 123 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it could have been so much more powerful. 124 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 5: If they wanted to explore homophobia, then Steve should have 125 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 5: had a kiss to figure out what the hell's going 126 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 5: on here, you know, and then. 127 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 4: Maybe the realization was for Steve that. 128 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 5: You know, it's not for me, it's not for Steve, 129 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 5: it's just not you know, handled it that way, you know, 130 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 5: I think it could have been. I don't think the 131 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 5: episode was really well written. I think it was pushed 132 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 5: and a little forced and contrived, and I think they 133 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 5: missed an opportunity to do something that really could have 134 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 5: spoken a lot louder to the situation, the problem of homophobia, 135 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 5: rather than addressing the stereotypes that break it that, you know, 136 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 5: break homosexuality down to something that's verboten, something that's like, ooh, 137 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 5: don't do that. 138 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: I think back then it was more about stereotypes. It 139 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: wasn't as flushed out of as a topic, especially on 140 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: TV primetime teen drama. 141 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 4: You know. 142 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, everyone's situation is different. I mean I grew up 143 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 5: in New Jersey, going into New York City every day auditioning. 144 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 5: When I was fourteen years old, I was an understudy 145 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 5: and a Broadway play. 146 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 4: I was in the chorus for. 147 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 5: I Remember Mama, and like every man in the chorus 148 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 5: was gay. 149 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 4: And I'm looking at this in the mirror, thinking, wow, 150 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 4: I'm an actor. Am I gay? I don't think so. 151 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 4: I kind of had a girlfriend. I kind of like girls, 152 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 4: but I'm an actor, and so am I gay? 153 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 5: And you know, it was never anything that really crystallized 154 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 5: in my mind till I was in college and one 155 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 5: of my classmates is in the bar at night on 156 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 5: Thursday night, we had a rat scaler at William Patterson 157 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 5: University and I'm looking at the girls on. 158 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 4: The dance floor and he says, Hey, could I buy 159 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 4: you a drink? 160 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh, no, I I just got a beer. 161 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 5: And I'm like looking at the girls on the dance floor. 162 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 5: And while my elbows are on the bar. While I'm 163 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 5: looking at the dance floor, his elbow he's right next 164 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 5: to me, and I kind of feel his elbow touch 165 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 5: of mind. I look down and I look up at 166 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 5: him and he's looking at me, and I knew he 167 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 5: was a gay man, and I thought first it crystallized 168 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 5: in my mind. I had never had any homosexual experience, 169 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 5: but that moment right there crystallized for me. 170 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 4: Then I'm a heterosexual man. 171 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 5: I told him. I said, look flattered, but it's not. 172 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 5: It's just not me. 173 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 4: But you know, more power to you. 174 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 5: So it was never really a problem for me to 175 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 5: be around the gay community. 176 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 4: I accepted it. It's just, Hey, you know, everyone, you're. 177 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 5: Lucky enough to find love. I don't care how you 178 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 5: find it, if you can find it, or power to you. So, 179 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 5: you know, maybe my perspective was a little scute. I 180 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 5: wasn't happy with this episode. I wasn't happy with the writing, 181 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 5: but nobody ever listened to me, so I did my job. 182 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to ask you a question. You said this, 183 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 2: you crystallize in that moment in college that you weren't gay. 184 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: But what about that moment in the jacuzzie with me? 185 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 4: Oh? That was way after Jenny. Yeah, are we talking 186 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 4: about that? 187 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 3: Jenny? 188 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: Wait? 189 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 2: I need to know what happened to me and my 190 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 2: boyfriend at the time. We used to like to hang 191 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: out with Ian and his girlfriend. I loved I and 192 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: I want to hang out with them all the time. 193 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: Apparently my boyfriend loved Ian too. 194 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 4: No. 195 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 2: Wow, you're not going to talk about it. 196 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 3: You've told the turn. I wasn't expecting I'll talk. 197 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 4: I'll talk about it. 198 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 5: We were we went out one night, had a great time, 199 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 5: went back to where I was living at the time, 200 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 5: my girlfriend and I. 201 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: We all was in an apartment. 202 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 6: I remember we all got into uh a jacuzzi and uh, 203 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 6: you know, I had my back to Janny and her boyfriend, 204 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 6: and I'm. 205 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 5: Making out with my girl and I think that they're 206 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 5: doing the same thing at my back, and then all 207 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 5: of a sudden, I feel like someone touching my shoulder, 208 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 5: and you know, as I'm hugging my girl, I'm thinking. 209 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 4: Nine oh two one, Oh my god. 210 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 5: Here, I'm thinking, like this is gonna be a hot 211 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 5: night of monkey love. 212 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 4: It's gonna go down. And as like I'm getting like crazy, 213 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 4: I turn and I look. 214 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 5: In my shoulder and they're hairy knuckles, not the feminine. 215 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: Did you think it was Jenny? 216 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was hoping it was me, absolutely, but. 217 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 4: It was the hairy knuckle guy. And I was like, wow, 218 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 4: it was a huge record scratch. I'm just not gay. 219 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,599 Speaker 1: I think that's interesting because most people watching nine O 220 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 1: two and zero it was very like. 221 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 3: Ahead of its time, Like you said, I am. 222 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: I think today we're sort of cringe by parts of it, 223 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: but then I think it was. And the one thing 224 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: I will say that was really accurate is I went 225 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: to a big college with fraternities where there were guys 226 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: who were gay in the fraternity and they would have 227 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: never He did not come out years later, So that 228 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: part was very accurate, Like they definitely did not want 229 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: anyone to know. Yeah, so that was that part. Mike Ryan, 230 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: I have a question about him in a minute, but 231 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: he was sort of accurate with the way he was 232 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: portrayed already. Was the one where it was just like 233 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: oh this. 234 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 2: Oh he was a dipshit? What was this Jack Armstrong's 235 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: first episode playing Mike Grind because Mike Grind's been played 236 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: by two other actors previous. Yes, I think yes. 237 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 3: And that's why it's so confusing because as. 238 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: The fan or the viewer viewer, Yeah, when you go 239 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: into the cafe, we're like who is that dude? 240 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 3: Who is they don't know who that right? 241 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 2: And then we go back to the even we go 242 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 2: back to the cake house and we're still like, wait, 243 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 2: who is he? And not until someone refers to him 244 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 2: as you know, Mike Ryan, head of the KEG, a 245 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 2: president of the KEG. Did we catch on? But that 246 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 2: was very confusing, confusing for everybody. But he did a 247 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 2: great job. And I remember working with him and he 248 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 2: you know, he embraced this role and loved it and 249 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: we had he had fun with it. Yeah, I can remember. 250 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 3: He was a babe too. That guy was hot. That 251 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 3: guy was He was perfect for that. 252 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: I want to know what you guys, when you're watching it, 253 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: are you cringe at some of the parts or are 254 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: you like able to go back and say it was 255 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: ahead of its time at the time, because that is real. 256 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: There were guys in the fraternities that were gay that 257 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: didn't want to say that part was very accurate. 258 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: And was that kind of like you know, the way 259 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 2: they treated him with the painting of his door pink 260 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 2: and making all those terrible remarks to him in public 261 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 2: and of other people, Like, was that is that something 262 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 2: that went on in nineteen ninety four? Probably is that 263 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 2: something that goes on today? Probably in certain places. But 264 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 2: you know this, I think our show had to take 265 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 2: a position on the story that they were telling, and 266 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 2: the story that they were telling was really shaded from 267 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: one perspective, we didn't get to hear, you know, Mike 268 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 2: Ryan's story at all. 269 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 5: You know, I'm trying to ads something here and I 270 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 5: really don't know what to say. I was not happy 271 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 5: with this episode. I like several of the I never 272 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 5: really watched the show. How about that when it was on. 273 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 5: I used to hear from my mom, who would watched 274 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 5: the show? We were working? 275 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: Or do they should do a podcast about it? Because 276 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: then you can watch it for the first time. 277 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: They do put Steve in a tough meaning you ian 278 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: because they put Steve in this role of sort of 279 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: being the buffoon in the beginning that doesn't really track 280 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: with who he is. 281 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 3: And then of course Brandon. 282 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I love Brandon, but he always has to 283 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: get at it perfect, you know, he's always the smart, 284 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: one perfect guy of course. 285 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 5: Right, Well that's literally, literarily speaking, that's what a foil 286 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 5: does is something that's juxtaposed to the protagonist who antagonist 287 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 5: rather who is, shows a difference to highlight a particular situation. 288 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 5: And you know, that's that was my job in a 289 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 5: lot of these situations. But you know, personally I was 290 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 5: never really comfortable with it, but again, just doing my job. 291 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 4: You know, this is one of those episodes I didn't 292 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 4: really care to watch. 293 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 5: I thought it sucked when I read it. You know, 294 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 5: it was a great story. I felt that they. 295 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 4: Really missed the mark on making something that was impacted. 296 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: You did do your job well because you did it 297 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: with sensitivity, and you did it with you know this 298 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: like wanting to learn. Like I could tell that your 299 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: character was really open to learning and accepting, and that 300 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: was a great message that your character was able to 301 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: put out there for all the young guys watching the show. 302 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 4: It could have been driven home so much stronger. 303 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: I do think the speech at the end was very 304 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: well done, though, when you're like, this is our brother, 305 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't nothing else matters than what this guy's character is. 306 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: And I think you showed what the true character of 307 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: Steve is by Ultimately, Steve always does the right thing, 308 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: it just always takes him a minute to. 309 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 5: Get there those words Reek of Steve Wasserman thinks, yeah, absolutely, 310 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 5: because he was always the voice of reason. You know, 311 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 5: anytime I had an issue, I wouldn't go to Chuck Rosen, 312 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 5: I would go to Wasserman or Cline and ask him 313 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 5: what's And Steve always had a way of rationalizing it 314 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 5: in a way that it kind of made sense to 315 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 5: me that it had more gravitas and sincerity rather than 316 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 5: something light and superficial. There was depth in the world, 317 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 5: he would explain it. And in those words, where it 318 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 5: what you know, fraternities are about brotherhood. Ah wow, full circle. 319 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 5: But the wind up punch to deliver that was wasn't 320 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,239 Speaker 5: even a wind up was all over the place. You know, 321 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 5: it was incongruous with the character. 322 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 4: It was not in line with. 323 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 5: You know, a lot of the stuff that uh my 324 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 5: character brought to the table. And you know, we had 325 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 5: a stretch and for me that that's a huge ask 326 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 5: of the audience, you know, and that's why I would 327 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 5: have a trouble when they would ask me to do 328 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 5: this crazy stuff. 329 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: Come on, come on, it does It's true because in 330 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: this one, the only one getting it wrong is Steve essentially, 331 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: and then that idiot already. But like Donna's got it right, 332 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: Kelly's got it right, Brandon's got it right, and they're 333 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: all so like just almost beautiful and articulate in the 334 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: way they're expressing it. And then it's it is unfortunate, 335 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: like it doesn't track that this group of friends, Steve 336 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: is the only one that's fully just an idiot about it, 337 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: Like he would have never. 338 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 3: Outed that guy. 339 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 2: He would minus. The sick thing is they thought I 340 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 2: was one too, right, Yeah, Oh that bothered me so gross. 341 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 4: All right, I had to say that out loud. 342 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 2: You had to say that, and a few people heard it. 343 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and yet the show still continue to 344 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 5: be wildly successful, you know, and you know it. Things 345 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 5: like that are are damaging to the character. It's like, 346 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 5: I don't like Steve for saying that kind of stuff. 347 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 2: He redeemed himself by the end. 348 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 3: He does, he really does. 349 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 2: That's how they'd love to teach the lessons to the people. 350 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 3: Always with a bow, always, always with the bow. 351 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 2: How about have you ever been to a gig gay 352 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 2: coffeehouse where it's all gay men? 353 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 3: That was the worst part of the whole thing for him. 354 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: That doesn't even exist. 355 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,719 Speaker 4: They needed a vehicle, so they had to go. They 356 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 4: couldn't go to a I guess they could. Could they 357 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 4: have gone to a bar? 358 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 5: No? 359 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 4: I think we were too young, too. 360 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 2: Young for a kid. 361 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're not. 362 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 2: That would have been good. What about when Brandon says, uh, 363 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 2: they're not going to cop a feel over a cup 364 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 2: of coffee. I'm not going to cop a feel. 365 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: Do you want cappuccino? Do you want cappuccino? Do you 366 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: want like cappuccino? 367 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 4: Wait? 368 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 2: Can you just clarify for me? Could you say that 369 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 2: word again? 370 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 5: Me? 371 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 3: No, I iron cappuccino? 372 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 4: What did I stutter? Cappuccino? 373 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: Cappuccino? Why were you saying cappuccino? 374 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 3: I didn't notice that? 375 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: Well, bugged me? Cappuccino. I've never had a. 376 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 3: Cop Can I just have one? 377 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 4: Like? 378 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 3: Cute iron Jenny moment? 379 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: Because you call her Gen and she calls you I, 380 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: and I like want to faint. It's so oh cute, 381 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: it's so freaking cute. And this is the first time 382 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: you haven't just been together on a plane. By the way, 383 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: could you two bump into each other more on a plane? 384 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 3: Yeah? 385 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 5: I'm gonna see Jenny at another event down in Tampa 386 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 5: in September. 387 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 4: I'll see the rest of the cast there as well. 388 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:19,959 Speaker 3: Hopefully. 389 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 2: Will you please get on my flight. 390 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 3: I need to know what this is. 391 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a it's a big nineties reunion kind of thing. 392 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 2: Let's it's so much fun when we're together. Oh my god, 393 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 2: how do you feel about being on the B list 394 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 2: for the calendar, really sticking it to you, and yeah, 395 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 2: you can't even get on the calendar. 396 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 3: It's like. 397 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 5: Way to strengthen your your characters, you know, you know, 398 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 5: And I don't think I even raised a beef with that. 399 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 5: Like whatever, let's just get through this people. 400 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 2: You have another thing to worry about in this episode. 401 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, true, like the ripped. 402 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 2: Like like like preparing your chest hair for your shirtless 403 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 2: scenes in the boxer shorts. 404 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 4: I remember, did I save? 405 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 2: I remember? 406 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 4: Oh? 407 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 2: You trimmed? 408 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 4: I remember I always trimmed my manscape. 409 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 2: You manscaped, but back then there was no term for it. 410 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 2: There was no manscaping. But you were the person that 411 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 2: taught me about manscaping. 412 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 3: No way, you were. 413 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 4: I talked to you about manscaping. 414 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 2: You had your little peanut shaver thing, and in the 415 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 2: makeup trailer you would fire that thing up and take 416 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 2: your shirt off and just be. 417 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 4: Like, the peanut is tiny. You got I wouldn't. Big 418 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 4: Buzzer the one who taught me. 419 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 2: That I had to groom my armed hair. 420 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I told you how to groom your arm hair. 421 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 2: Yes, you decided that it needed to be shortened. And 422 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 2: you showed me how to do it. 423 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 4: It was just a little too damn long. 424 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: But it was for sure. 425 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: Speaking of sort of like a couple of weird notes 426 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: on this episode, one being when Brandon and Deshaun are 427 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: in the locker room and Deshaun is fully shirtless with 428 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: the towel around. 429 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 5: Him in. 430 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: Full shirt on close it a towel. 431 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: Would you stand? Would you would you stand next to 432 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: Shawn if you look like that? Yeah. 433 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: The other cringey thing is how me and y'all are 434 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: to Andrea for eating. 435 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 3: She's pregnant. 436 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 2: Shaming her? Is that what it's called? 437 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: Now? She was pregnant, and the characters pregnant y'all. 438 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 3: Are being so mean, like, oh, do you need two 439 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 3: mega Brogers? You need two mega birgerds. 440 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: Brenda was awful. She's like, I know, I need to 441 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: stop eating and actually just shoving the noodles down, and 442 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: then Brenda's like, yeah, you do, like it was just. 443 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: Like and then Kelly says that he's eating for three 444 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 2: Yeah means, listen, you get one chance, well maybe two 445 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 2: or three in my case, to eat whatever five and 446 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 2: Toy's case, to eat whatever you want and gain weight 447 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: and it's okay, it's acceptable by society. Uh, but yeah, 448 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 2: those are the days. Eat whatever the hell you want. People. 449 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 3: What do we think of the David falling in love 450 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 3: with the piano teachers for five minutes storyline? But really 451 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 3: it was just. 452 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 2: What Okay, I'm so confused. Are Donna and David back together? 453 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 2: Are they boyfriend and girlfriend in the beginning of this 454 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 2: episode because Donna says they are, but then he says roommates, 455 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: and then he says roommate and then the teacher. 456 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 4: Tear him up? How could he cannot tear him a 457 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 4: new one? 458 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: For right there? 459 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 4: A roommate right when. 460 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 2: Donna walked in the apartment. Yeah, and she doesn't even 461 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 2: see the girl's face, Like she doesn't even see her 462 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: or not, she doesn't know anything about her, but she 463 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 2: just automatically gets like upset and hates her because they're 464 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 2: playing the piano tagarts and. 465 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: She was so bitter. Yeah, she was so aggressively bitter 466 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: about it. 467 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 6: So do we know. 468 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 2: If Sydney Brown who played Holly Marlowe. 469 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: So we think she was not because she was in 470 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: an episode of Mad About You where she was not blind, 471 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,959 Speaker 1: so we're not assuming she wasn't, which actually also wouldn't 472 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: happen today. You would never cast somebody I mean, I 473 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: guess like Jamie Fox as Ray, but you would not 474 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: probably cast that part to a non blind actor. No, right, 475 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: that's not that sort of is kind of not cool. 476 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: She was very good at it. She was very convincing. 477 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: I thought she was blind one hundred percent. 478 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 3: Me too. We don't know if she was playing piano either. 479 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 2: I don't think she was playing piano. 480 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 3: I'm going to put a good she was good at. 481 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 5: I want to believe he was blind more than she 482 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 5: was playing that piano. I mean, that's not easy stuff 483 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 5: to do, That's. 484 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: What Yeah, you can always tell when they cut away 485 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: to just the hand on the keys. 486 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, well Brian did Brian sleeve? Did Brian have that look? 487 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 2: I was going to say, those looked like Brian's hands. 488 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 4: Play the piano? 489 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it was simple enough my go was he. 490 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 2: Was playing I think so too, I mean those look 491 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 2: like his hands. 492 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: I feel like if this episode was forty four minutes, 493 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: that they only had script for like thirty nine minutes, 494 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: because there was a lot of keyboard in the beginning, 495 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: like just a lot of pill and then a lot 496 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: of pill of calendar photos at the end, like a 497 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: good solid minute ninety seconds just montage of calendar. 498 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 3: So I'm like, I mean, I'm a big fan of 499 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:56,719 Speaker 3: this episode. 500 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: I also remember like the photos from the calendar, Like 501 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 1: in my mind, I was like, oh, I've seen that. 502 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 3: I've seen that. I've seen that. 503 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: Like it also was very especially like Brandon and Luke, 504 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: Like sorry Brandon and Dylan, Jason and Luke. Those are 505 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: sort of iconic images, like I remember him in that 506 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: cap like. 507 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 3: And that surfboard one waterfly. 508 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 2: There's so those two couldn't like do it seriously. They 509 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 2: had to make a mockery of it. 510 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 4: With there Brian Brian young kid. Young Brian was so thin. 511 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 2: I didn't hadn't hit his puberty yet, I don't think. 512 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 4: Well, I don't know, but he didn't mind. I mean 513 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 4: he he. 514 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,959 Speaker 2: Like embraced it, jumped in, took all his clothes. 515 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 5: I love. 516 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 2: On the couch with this full heart candy in front 517 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 2: of his you know, really good. I love that was 518 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 2: my favorite image. And and you looked really cute in 519 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 2: your little golf totally, oh. 520 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 4: My god, so stupid. 521 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 2: You know again, I had to rewind it because all 522 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 2: the Boxers. They were panning across all the Boxers, all 523 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 2: the different patterns, and I saw one that had sharks 524 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 2: on it. I was like, oh my god, if Ian 525 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 2: is wearing the Boxers with the. 526 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 3: Sharks on all that freak out crazy. 527 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 2: But it wasn't. You had ducks on yours, and yeah, 528 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: the future on. 529 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 4: Me and I thought for a second my junk had 530 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 4: dropped out the bottom. 531 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 2: I was very so when you're pulling them up, it 532 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 2: got a little breezy down there. 533 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 1: It was like a super cute bit, Like that was 534 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: a cute bit. 535 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 3: I was not mad at it at all. 536 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 2: No, And I remember having fun shooting that, like everybody 537 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 2: just had fun. 538 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was good fluff to support a storyline. You know, 539 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 5: it was ever mentioned before or after, but that was 540 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 5: That was a great way to build the whole Yay 541 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 5: storyline up. Yeah, help reveal facts and build story on. 542 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 5: Good architects to build story on. 543 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 3: We got a brief view of Rocky two. 544 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, he's so cute. That dog Rocky too. 545 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: And don't you know how sometimes you look like your dog. 546 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 2: I think Donna and Rocky two very similar, like color schemes. 547 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 2: They look so cute together. 548 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 4: What happened to that dog? 549 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 2: Was that the only episode he was ever in? This 550 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 2: was his second episode. 551 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that dog might kind of blink away? 552 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 4: And did they ever talk about where the dog went? 553 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 4: Did they ever talk about Rocky one? 554 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 3: Rocky one went to Heaven? 555 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 4: Oh? 556 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know about Rocky two. I guess 557 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: we'll wait and see what happens in the next, you know, episodes. 558 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: Can I also say that I would have absolutely loved 559 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,959 Speaker 1: a Donna Deshaun storyline. They had chemistry tree right. That 560 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: was a miss because they would have been great. They 561 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: were really cute, they got along. I genuinely believed he 562 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: liked her. She was into it, like I. 563 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 3: Would have liked that. 564 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 4: Didn't they have an interracial couple with Vivica. 565 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 5: Fox and Brandon and Jay Yeah, I forget the character's name, 566 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 5: but yeah, there was. 567 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: Andrea too, But they wouldn't like they just wouldn't let 568 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: it go a distance right, like they dip their toe in. 569 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,719 Speaker 2: That could have been a good storyline offshoot for her character. 570 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: But yeah, I was disappointed too because I always have 571 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 2: loved uh when they do stuff with DeShawn. I hate 572 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 2: it though that he was in another Uncle Sam outfit? Like, oh, 573 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 2: wasn't he in an Uncle Sam outfit? 574 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 3: And like, oh no, I didn't even pick up on 575 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 3: that in. 576 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 2: The sixties episode? 577 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 3: Was he in the sixties episode? 578 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 2: There was like a shot of him at the you know, 579 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 2: hippie thing and he was dressed as Uncle Sam. 580 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 4: Chris what a great guy? 581 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's a really good actor and he is. 582 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 2: I yeah, I saw when my note was Deshaun is 583 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 2: the beautiful in that towel? 584 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 3: Yeah? 585 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, he was good. 586 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: Also, Leslie Sumner got about one thousand mentions in an 587 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: episode she is not in, like they really gave her. 588 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 3: I was like, ps, who's lost? 589 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 4: You know who she is? 590 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 5: She is? 591 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 2: When I was watching, I was like, wait, well. 592 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: They could not have talked about her more? And am 593 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: I wrong? Or was Brenda literally in one scene no? 594 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: Three I think three minimal? Oh yeah, maybe when the 595 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: Wallses were packing all that lettuce. 596 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 2: What's happening by that? Like I said last week, is 597 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 2: there a band aid that's about to get ripped off? 598 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: I don't know what's happening. It's making me very uncomfortable 599 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 2: and men, yes, and you know when you're like, oh wait, 600 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 2: she's only in two scenes, she's only in three scenes. 601 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 2: You know, you're anticipating something, you just don't know what 602 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 2: it is, but we know what it is how it's handled. 603 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 3: This is the last five episodes she's in. 604 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean I think that's why, because I 605 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: mean I don't know, like there's all the rumors, but 606 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: she they're definitely not using it. 607 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 2: It's so watching it as a fan now, completely taking 608 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: my own experience out of it, which I've pretty much 609 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 2: forgotten anyway. Uh, I don't it's so fun when she's 610 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 2: around with the group, when they're all together and they're 611 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 2: all having their laughs, like the photo shoot, you know, 612 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 2: Kelly and Brenda are just you know, ornery together and laughing, 613 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 2: and I feel like that's gonna be so weird for 614 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 2: me as a as a fan and as a viewer 615 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 2: of the show for the first time to have one 616 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 2: of the main cares disappear. 617 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 4: What episode was she gone halfway through the fifth season? 618 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: No, the first Tiffany shows up in the very first 619 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: episode of season five. So so Shannon only really has 620 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: like five episodes left. I'm pretty sure she's got You've 621 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: got this. We're getting there, Like I think Brandon goes 622 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: to Washington soon remember that there's like the. 623 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 3: Mister Walsh goes to Washington. 624 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: Those are like that was like the big two parter, 625 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: and then I think that's it. I think Tiffany rolls 626 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: in in season five episode one? 627 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 3: Is that right? 628 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 5: Wait? 629 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 3: Season five or season? What do we all? Season four? Okay? Yeah, yeah, but. 630 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: It does seem obvious now with our like knowing what 631 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: we know that she was slowly sort of disappearing. 632 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, except for that weird six Days episode, which. 633 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: Which I kind of wish she had disappeared. Sorry, everyone's 634 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 2: gonna hate that. 635 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: No, Charles Rosen, Like, Charles Rosen reached out. He's coming 636 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: on because he wants to defend that episode, which I 637 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: was like ring it. 638 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 3: We got a lot of We got a lot of 639 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,239 Speaker 3: questions about that. 640 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 2: He wasn't offended, but yeah, everybody's entitled to their opinion. 641 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 3: And we no, maybe he can convince us we were wrong. 642 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 3: I'm here for it. 643 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: No, So, like, how do you guys feel about this 644 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: episode as a whole? 645 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 2: Oh, we usually rate it. Do you want to? 646 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 4: It was clear that I thought it sucked. 647 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 2: I know, how many fingers one out of ten would 648 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 2: you give it? 649 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 3: Two. 650 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 5: You know, there were some very wonderful moments within this. 651 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 5: It can't go any lower than a five any episode. 652 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 2: Well, it can because it has. But okay, was a three? Well, 653 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 2: if you take the script, is the script right? 654 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: I actually think you all did very well with what 655 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: you were given. So for a person like me, that's 656 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: the fan I was hooked in, even though there's a 657 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: couple of moments that were cringey. I think in the 658 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: nineties I probably was like, this is great. I'm not 659 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: sure I would have thought it was cringing. 660 00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 3: In the nineties. 661 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 4: No, would you even know what that was to be? 662 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 4: You know, ringy? 663 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 3: That's a great question. That's like literally the best question. 664 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 3: Did we cringe at things? 665 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 4: We must say, maybe winds like, but is it cringey? 666 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:17,720 Speaker 2: We gagged with a spoon? 667 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 5: No. 668 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: I think then we would have been like, I don't 669 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 1: think we would have realized how horrific Artie was and 670 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: just how sort of Steve was not getting it right, 671 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like, I think we 672 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: would have been like, Okay, this is the story, and 673 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: we would have just followed along in the story, and 674 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: at the end we would have been like, yeah, get lost, 675 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: Artie everybody else is great, Bye bye Arty. 676 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 5: You know, I think if I would have given this 677 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 5: a little higher mars, if there was a build up 678 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 5: to Steve's homophobia, if there were other things that led 679 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 5: up to it other than this one episode would all 680 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 5: of a sudden nowhere out of nowhere. It's just something 681 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,240 Speaker 5: that that I really felt. 682 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 4: The show got wlong several times. 683 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: Well, and we all forget what some David Lasher's character 684 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: gay remember that in like season one, Yeah, yeah, so's 685 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: yeah right, and like it was no big thing. So 686 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I give this an eight and 687 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: a half. I love it. 688 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 2: That's okay, I'm going to give it a six. 689 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: I was like at the end when after the calendar thing, 690 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 1: I turn off my team and I'm like that that 691 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: was awesome. 692 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it redeemed itself with the calendar shoot. 693 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 3: Totally and the speech. Steve's speech really kind of brought it. 694 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 4: You know. 695 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: The guys did the right thing, they really did, and 696 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: they didn't do the right thing in like a super 697 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: cheesy way. 698 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 3: They did the right thing in the right way. It 699 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 3: was just getting there. It had some flaws a lot 700 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 3: of flaws. 701 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: And then you're so mad you didn't get to the 702 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: Dodger game till the fourth inning, and I'm like, that's 703 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: when we all get there. 704 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 3: Like that was fine. 705 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 4: Just never ever do. 706 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 5: A series of writers episodes to see if there's any uniformity, 707 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 5: anything that is obvious that one particular writer's style, Like 708 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 5: I think Kenny Stringer. 709 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,240 Speaker 4: Did maybe four or five episodes. It would be interesting 710 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 4: to see. 711 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 3: That's a great question. 712 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 5: To do, like segmented series of Okay, now we're exploring 713 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 5: Larry Mullins, now we're exploring exploring Ken Stringers. 714 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,439 Speaker 4: You know, we can definitely tell. 715 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 3: We can definitely tell. 716 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: When Jason directs, the episodes have a totally different and 717 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 1: we've talked about that. 718 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 3: They have a total They sort of. 719 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: Have a like a I don't know how to explain it. 720 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 3: They have like a. 721 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 2: Little movement more fun. 722 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,479 Speaker 1: It's more fun, wacky sort of there's like, I don't 723 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: a zutle zing to them, right. If you watch them, 724 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: you totally get You're like, oh, yeah, it's got a 725 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: different tone and I don't mind it. 726 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 5: I like it. 727 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's fun to see you guys. Whenever Jason directs, 728 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 2: it's fun to see the guys scenes because we Tory 729 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 2: and I know what was going on behind the camera 730 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 2: and off set, you know, so it kind of comes 731 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 2: across in the storytelling. 732 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: Did we decide that Jason directed the Sixties one? He did, right, 733 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: and then he did the Magic Mountain one, and they 734 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: do they're sort of zany. 735 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,760 Speaker 2: Like like, yeah. 736 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, the funniest is like the one, the best one 737 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 1: is the one of the Magic Mountain because it's so 738 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: like I literally picture all y'all like kind of like 739 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: this doing that commercial. It's very inane. 740 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, yeah, I like it. Well that's it. 741 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 2: I mean, we really don't have anything else to talk 742 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 2: about with this episode. I don't feel like there were 743 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, we covered it all. 744 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 5: He had asked me if if I would write lines 745 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 5: on Jason's forehead. 746 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, wait Mite. 747 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 3: That was oh my god. 748 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: Before we came on you guys, Iron revealed something amazingly. 749 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 3: You have to tell this. 750 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 5: We would shooting double up episodes. I think we did 751 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 5: thirty two episodes one season, and it was at a 752 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,399 Speaker 5: point where we would have to shoot two episodes. 753 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 4: In the time of one. So we had mirror crews. 754 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 5: There were two makeup trailers, there were two wardrobe departments. 755 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,240 Speaker 5: There were two of everything, two cameras working on different 756 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 5: shows simultaneously at the sound stage, or maybe somebody was 757 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 5: on location, whatever it was, and it happened so quick. 758 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 5: There was so much work in such a short amount 759 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 5: of time. You know, we really would rely on the 760 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 5: script supervisor to help get us into where we are 761 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 5: what we're doing, because I just came from another set. 762 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 5: We would go back and forth between different episodes and 763 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 5: would be confusing. And you know, there were a couple 764 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 5: of times where I would have so many words I 765 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 5: couldn't remember my lines that I would cut up in 766 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 5: the cut script and I would put it on Jason's 767 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 5: chest and I would take it to his chest and 768 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,320 Speaker 5: I would put my hand on his shoulder and lean in. 769 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 4: And you know, the camera would be over his shoulder. 770 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 5: You couldn't obviously see, but just to give me some 771 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,720 Speaker 5: cheat sheet to know what I was saying. 772 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 4: So, yeah, that happened several times. 773 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 3: I think the Friends. 774 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 1: The Friends cast is admitted to having their scripts like 775 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: on the dinner table. 776 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 3: Kind of thing. 777 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, oh, there's got to be some scripts that you know, 778 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 5: little easter eggs on our show where oh. 779 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 4: That's a script right there, on the table. I haven't 780 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 4: noticed it, but it'd be interesting to hear from. 781 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 5: The fans that are watching to, you know, question, what 782 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 5: what does this you know, little have thing that's sitting 783 00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,439 Speaker 5: on the sofa back there. 784 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 4: You know, we were all on the time. 785 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 5: That's good, you know, whether they were the day's sides 786 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 5: or an actual script or whatever. 787 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 4: There's always, you know, every once in a while. 788 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: I also thought everyone got a haircut for this episode. 789 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,439 Speaker 1: Like literally everyone looked like they had fresh haircuts. I'm 790 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: convinced y'all get them. At the same time, I'm like, 791 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: everyone looks like they had a haircut. 792 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 5: I was wearing a kind of tight I think I 793 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 5: was using a little final net on that ship, didn't 794 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 5: I didn't, you know, I would set it and forget 795 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:28,359 Speaker 5: to walk out. 796 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 4: You know. 797 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 5: Luke was always like fixing this up due Jason's always 798 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 5: straightening his browse his cydeburns because he had some unruly ones. 799 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 4: He always wanted to same direction. You know. 800 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 5: Brian would like, shave it down, it wouldn't move, But me, like, if. 801 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 4: It got too big, it would be crazy. Yeah, I'd 802 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 4: spray it down with. 803 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 2: Some It's not called final net, by the way, I 804 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 2: thought that was hairspray Final Net. It was one Net. 805 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 3: What's I think? 806 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 4: Actually it was a product called A vec A V 807 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 4: E C. It was like glue. I don't know. 808 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 5: Clearly nobody was talking to me about how my hair 809 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 5: should because it was nightmare. 810 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 2: You're acting was so good, and your teeth are so bright. 811 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 3: The smile is noticed. 812 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:21,280 Speaker 1: The smile is so dreamy, like Steve can do anything 813 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: because he just gives that smile. 814 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 3: And I'm like, it's fine, it's fine. 815 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 5: Well, I'm glad you think so amy, you know, I 816 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 5: think I think I know what you're saying. The episode 817 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,800 Speaker 5: where Steve was Santa Claus in the that was cute 818 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 5: was that the smile is. 819 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 1: That the stranger smile is weirdly the sixties episode and 820 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 1: other people other fans noticed it too. They they wrote 821 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 1: us that they because we commented on it for a 822 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,760 Speaker 1: good long minute because it was so charming. 823 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 4: Well, if anybody sees it, screenshot it and send it 824 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 4: to me. Dealing on social that is not serious. If 825 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,879 Speaker 4: it's that good, I need to recreate this really good. 826 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,719 Speaker 1: It's almost like like it's that good. It doesn't have that, 827 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: but it's like a little effect. 828 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, you should have had an effect, little sound effect, 829 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 5: a little sparkle on the K nine. 830 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: I'm not I know this episode has some cringe, but 831 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 1: I'm not mad at it. 832 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 3: It was good. 833 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 2: It wasn't nearly as bad as last week, so I'm 834 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,280 Speaker 2: feeling better about continuing forward, which reminds me next week 835 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:23,879 Speaker 2: we are moving on. 836 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the next one? 837 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 2: The next episode is something about Divas? I think, uh, yeah, 838 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 2: well it's called Divas. It's a season four episode twenty seven. Everybody, 839 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 2: do your homework, watch the show so we can rip 840 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 2: it apart. 841 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, we literally have. 842 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 4: How many episodes did we do this season? Thirty two? 843 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,800 Speaker 4: Thirty two? Season of double ups? 844 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: I think it's a little confusing if you count the 845 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,839 Speaker 1: finale as one or two. I think we're gonna count 846 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,279 Speaker 1: as two, So thirty one thirty two because it's like 847 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,400 Speaker 1: a big two hour finale. 848 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:51,799 Speaker 4: I think. 849 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, this was one of those years where we, yeah, 850 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 5: were two crews for like five or six episodes. 851 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 2: Oh brutal, wow, yep, and we're still standing. Thank you 852 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:05,359 Speaker 2: I for. 853 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 1: Coming, and Amy, thank you so much for including me 854 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 1: and your little party here. 855 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,359 Speaker 4: Happy to sit in. I hope Toy is feeling better soon. 856 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 2: Yeah you yeah. In the everybody, have a great week. 857 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 2: We love you. 858 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 4: Bye everybody.