WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Going All Over The Map 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:13.600 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:24.480 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:28.360 Screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:40.960 Star in Friscoot. Now, your hosts Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips, 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:46.240 Everson Walls, and Bill Jones. And it's a Tuesday inside 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:50.320 the SWBC Mortgage studios here at the Star in Frisco, 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.640 and time to talk Cowboys. No Rob today. He's out 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.600 this week, but we hope to have Rob back next week, right, 0:00:56.680 --> 0:01:00.520 Mickey Spagnola, Yes, since I missed last week, we're just rotating. 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:04.040 He was missing here where main stage right here? That's 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:07.039 I mean, the oldest guys here right now, he's the 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:17.559 oldest guy. I thank you. That's right. That's right. Oh wow, 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:20.480 so much to talk about we do. We got a 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:24.560 super Bowl matchup. I got my super Bowl head on. 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:29.640 Yeah it's the wrong. Yeah, it's like you're last year 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:33.600 and you're here. Yep, I'm here, but no one's there yet. Yeah, 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.920 that's right. There is the off week. Well I can 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:40.040 claim he's still going. I'm not going. No, Okay, that's right. 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:43.360 That's a different broadcast. That's right, it's a Fox broadcast. 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:48.040 It's not CBS. We break out all stops when it's CBS. Okay, 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:53.400 So it's Kansas City, the Dallas Texans and uh the 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:57.200 San Francisco forty nine ers. Should be a good super 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:00.600 Bowl matchup, almost really good matchup. Almost a good anniversary 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:03.600 game right from the first one. Yeah, almost so. So, 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:08.799 Casey beat both teams in the playoffs that had a 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:12.079 little a little something in common, right, Houston Oilers. Yeah, 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:18.080 that's right, rights and the Titans. That's right, both of 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.480 them came through Houston. That's right. In fact, in fact, 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:23.800 if you really want to go out back in time, 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.800 we're talking Texas ties on both sides. Yeah right, yeah, 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:30.840 that's right. You had this AFC Championship game matchup was 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:36.079 a rematch of the nineteen sixty two AFL Championship game, 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:39.919 the Dallas Texans winning and double overtime over the Houston Oilers. Wow, 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:44.000 and Lamar Hunt subsequently moved the team to Kansas City 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:47.200 right after that. Absolutely, that was classy, dude. That is 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.000 a classy dude. Yeah, the whole Hunt family. Yeah, you know, 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.040 I'm sure it was a it was all the money thing, 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.639 but they could have stayed here, you know, and fogged out. 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.679 They could have battled for the market. I guess you 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:02.400 might well. And if you look back at the archives 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.400 from nineteen sixty sixty one sixty two, of course, the 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:09.600 Cowboys were an upstart expansion franchise and just getting their legs. 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:11.760 And the Texans were more popular at the outside there 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:17.600 they were, and more successful too. They still just decided 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.239 to just move up, pick up the stakes, and move 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:24.280 on out. Got a sweetheart deal. He must have to 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:27.840 move to Kansas City, if I remember, the mayor of 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:32.240 Kansas City and tist them with some financial incentives, and 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.400 off he went. And he took a lot of great 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:39.280 Texas athletes with him too. Yes, yes, Emma Thomas Right 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:43.600 Hall of Fame was a bishop, Bishop Holletts. I think so, yeah, 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:45.960 I think so. A lot of local guys won that squad, 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.840 and Texas guys EJ. Hollim. You know it's a Texas 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:52.640 guy draft choice of the Cowboys. There you go. They signed, Yeah, 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.760 big buck, you can Grambling State. There you go. A 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:59.600 great how many Hall of Fame Hall of famers on 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.960 that team when you think about it, Oh, this Taylor right, 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:10.120 Flynn Dawson you're talking Emmy Thomas and a great squad Marcellus. 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:13.600 I remember Marcellus being in the secondary, a great man, 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:18.440 the man player. You also had the guy that just 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.080 just got the Hall of Fame the year after I 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:22.680 did make and he had fifty seven in the sep 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:29.279 is it Johnny Robinson. Robinson. So that's a great square 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:30.880 and you know, you have to think about it. He's 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:32.280 one of the last ones to make the Hall of 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:33.840 Fame on that on that team as far as the 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:38.120 superstar players, So they as a senior, did they keep 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:42.160 throwing that in their face that it's been how many 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:47.440 years sifty been to the super Bowl? Fifty years? Fifty years? Yeah, yep, 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:51.160 super Bowl four. Yep. Super Bow Ilness is fifty four, 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.680 so that would be four. I figured it out. I 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:58.240 always get them confused with when the Jets wanted and 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:00.279 then when Kansas City won it. But they went to 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:03.080 the first one. That's right against Green Bay. And that's 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.800 what you were alluding to off the top there, almost 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.280 in the hundredth year of the National Football League had 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.640 a rematch of the first Super Bowl. Green Bay didn't 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.520 come close to holding up their into the bargain. That's 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:18.000 it just got wiped out, and that's very unusual for 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:22.400 Lombardi team, especially in the championship game. You're no, you're 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:29.279 talking about this game. I'm like, what Lombardy beat him? Okay, 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:36.800 maybe it's little ct CT coming didn't. Yeah, man, that 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.720 was a wipe up. There's here's how much things have changed. 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.760 Perhaps some were all used to tell the story about 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.960 the first Super Bowl and you know, it was televised 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:50.680 by both CBS and NBC Green Bay in Kansas City, 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:55.480 and they came back from a at halftime the second 0:05:55.480 --> 0:06:00.640 half kickoff and CBS was still in a commerce maybe 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:03.560 both networks, now I think it was. I think NBC 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.960 was still in a commercial. CBS came back, okay, and 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:13.200 and Pat they were switching who was doing the sideline reporters, 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:16.800 but he was one. Yeah, the second half was his right. 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:20.320 So he's down on the on the sideline and the 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.839 producer calls in his air Well, what happened was Green 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.960 Bay kicked off? Yeah, okay, and but they were in 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.039 a TV time out. Okay, so that you take it. 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.479 So so one of the stations had it, the other 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:36.400 state NBC didn't. Okay, all right, And uh so he 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:38.480 gets in his ear, and this is his first thing 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.960 he's ever done for TV, right, Pat, summer all, this 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:47.600 is his start and the producer goes, uh, Pat, NBC 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:51.400 was in commercial break and missed the kickoff. Would you 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:56.400 ask Vince Lombardi if he would kick off again? Since 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:59.560 since Pat new Lombardi, since he played for the Giants 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:04.960 when Barti was a coach, so summer are summer all? 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:10.640 The answer is absolutely not going up to any coach. 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:16.400 So they filed off again. They filed some underling to 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.560 go up to Lombardi, goes a coach. They missed the 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:23.920 kickoff on NBC, could you kick off again? And yeah, okay, 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.679 so he did? He did? Yes, come on, they did, 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:32.160 because you know what, back then, you guys are too young. 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:39.480 The NFL, the NFL, the NFL, the NFL just didn't 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:43.320 recognize the AFL. They they felt like this slap in 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.320 their face that they had to play this game, the 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:51.240 NFL championship game. They considered the championship games. It's like, oh, 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:54.600 now we got to play this game, right, So Lombardi, 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.320 I don't I don't know how serious the Packers took it, 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:01.040 and uh, he goes, yeah, yeah, I we'll kick off 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:06.000 a kid they did. Imagine, man missed the kids these days. 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.800 It's amazing that we've survived. Yeah, when you look at 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:13.560 all the crap that went on through history forgets sports, politics, 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.200 and wars alone, how are we still sitting here? How 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:20.320 is the world not just disintegrated? Like and by the way, Fringer, 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:23.520 you mentioned something, you mentioned grambling and I meant to. 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:27.040 I wanted not to forget this. I got to go to, 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:31.960 uh the Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year banquet. When 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:35.720 I went down to the National Championship game and uh 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:40.920 uh coach O won it. Hopefully he's that good because 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.880 he just lost both coordinators. By the way, yes, uh. 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.760 And I ran into Eddie Robinson the third and he 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.880 said to make sure you make sure you tell ever 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.640 since I said, Hi, is he a little clone of 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:56.360 his grandfather or what? It just just looks just like him. 0:08:56.400 --> 0:09:01.800 He will soon be brushing his hair. I really nice guy. 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.600 A long conversation. When you grew up with the Robinson family, 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.240 you you go through a lot of different organizations that 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.600 others don't get a chance to go through. The Yankees, 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.640 of course, loved Eddie Robinson. We were like the first 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:17.680 football team to play a football game in Yankee State. 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:21.040 Really yeah, nineteen sixty nine, I think it was. It 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:24.480 was Morgan State. I think they said three Hall of 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:28.040 Famers came from that football game back then, and so 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:32.120 that's when you know the HBCUs. They were just black colleges, right, 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:34.520 and they just had studs all running through that before 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.600 all integration came. So it was an amazing event. So 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.720 now he's he's working with the Yankees. Talking about Eddie Trey, 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:46.079 he's working with several organizations that because Eddie Robinson's your grandfather, 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:49.079 he has gotten to know some of the most important 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.760 people in the world. Yeah, and he walks around like 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.480 he's never met anybody. No, it was just the nicest guy. 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:57.640 And I told he asked we were talking, I said, well, 0:09:57.640 --> 0:09:59.959 you can do me one favorite. What's that? I said, 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:04.839 would you leave the Eddie Robinson Museum open on the 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:09.640 weekends because when I strive through it's closed on the weekends. 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:12.280 He goes, well, you have connections, and I bet I 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:18.079 can open it. You got a son too, Eddie Robinson fourth. Wow, 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:23.080 how about that he's in college now? Wow? Yeah, Andie 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.360 Trey has a son in college. Yeah, yeah, it looks 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:32.240 well he does. You're right. So where is Eddie Robinson Museum. 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.480 It's on campus. Okay, I have pictures if you want 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.200 to see it, all right, all right, I have a 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:42.360 video running through there. And it was the uh oh, 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:47.000 you guys, the quarterback story. They had the one white quarterback. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:51.000 It was a Gramley Tiger. And you will not remember 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:54.840 who was the star of that movie. And I was 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.760 there as they shot the movie. My wife and I 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.880 were in the movie. We were extra. Was in the movie. 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:04.680 Do you know who the white tyger? Heard the name? 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:08.079 But I do not remember. Well, his name has changed. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:12.160 It used to be Bruce, and that was Kaitlin. That's 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:19.760 what Caitlin. Caitlin, right, Caitlyn Jenner. That's how you say, 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:24.440 that's Bruce. Bruce was a white tiger. Bruce was the 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:26.640 white I was in the scene with Bruce Jenner. Guys, 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.920 you gotta look it up, man, white tiger. I was 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:32.880 in a domino scene. I'm with my boys with playing dominoes. 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:34.360 Come on, it's a black college. You gotta put a 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:38.320 domino scene in that one. Can't have him scene at 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.160 Gramley stage. Come on back in the sixties and and 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.760 not have a domino scene. So I'm playing dominoes me 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:46.840 and my boys and we look up and some white 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.960 dude opens the door at All Black School in the 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.640 dormitory and he goes, hey, guys, and we look at 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.880 him like he's got no clothes. One has no clothes, Like, 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.320 what are you doing to here, white boy? How many 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:01.000 movies should have been called White Tiger. I don't know 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:09.360 gramblings White Tiger. Let me put in Grambling. Only one. Hey, 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.480 that helped me pay my bills when I was off 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:15.760 campus from my senor actually paid you to man, I'm 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:19.440 a I'm a sag Now do the eighty one movie. 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:23.080 I'm with sag Man. Come on, I didn't see on 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:27.640 the show last Bruce Jenner starring Bruce Jenner, Dude, the 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:33.280 All State Man, the insurance Man, Dennis Haybert. He was there, 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.800 I mean, come on, everybody was there. Man the guy 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.640 from the Rookies, the one of the black guys from 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:44.319 the Rookies, the old show Stafford, right, Stafford. I think 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:46.440 his listening. He's the producer of the director of the show. 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.520 Stars at Grambling. You don't get this anywhere else but 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.720 tried George Stanford Brown. Stafford Brown was the director of 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:59.760 the Bruce Come on, man, there you go elbows with 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:04.240 him a baby, well not just bags deeper than that. 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:08.160 Since we're talking Hall of famers being Eddie Robinson, should 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:11.640 we talk Hall of Fame? Now we're the close of 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:13.840 this first segment. I don't know that we have enough time. 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.160 I know we don't have enough time too. Well, let's 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:20.040 talk Okay, let's talk about the ones who got in first, 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.000 and then we'll come back and talk about the one 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.000 who did not get eggs uh it. And we talked 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:28.520 about Jimmy last week. Mickey, you weren't here last week, right, 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:31.640 It was great to seeing Jimmy. Uh as he found 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:35.240 out got surprised when I was happy even I was happy. 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:37.440 I don't I never don't think I've ever seen him 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:41.400 happy emotional like that, you know, yeah, he's usually happy, 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:44.280 no very I was like, yeah, yeah, that came from 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:47.600 that came from somewhere. That was pretty cool. And then 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:51.000 the fact that they had to uh wherewithal to keep 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.800 a camera on Troy yeah during it, Yes, that was 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:58.120 pretty good producing there. Yeah. And then Cliff Harris gets 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:02.200 in last Wednesday stuff. Yeah. I had called Cliff the 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:04.800 week before I don't know what I was doing. I 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.559 just got bored. I called him and we started talking. 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.840 I had him laughing about different stuff. So then I 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:11.480 called him back after one I told him I was 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:15.240 good luck for Yeah, I got I got to talk 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:19.320 to him Wednesday, I think it was Wednesday. After I 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.080 got back, I gave him a call after he did announcement, 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:25.600 and yeah, he was really happy. He was pretty humble 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:29.800 about it too, no doubt knowing him, and yeah, but 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.920 he just thought it was great and he said he 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:36.720 made sure he text back and forth with Drew. I'm 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.160 getting ahead of ourselves, but just to let him know that, 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:44.560 you know, as happy as I am, more sad for 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.360 you not getting in. And that was the reason I 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:51.480 called him the second time, was because everybody was just 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.360 so heartbroken. Yeah, you know, you had the video right 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:55.920 there and it just and like I said, we're getting 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:57.680 a hit of ourselves, but you just can't talk about 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:04.800 how Cliff deserved herbs better in regards to us being 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:11.880 so angry about Drew. That man, this guy made secondary 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.480 man a watchtop Baptist and he's in the Hall of Fame. 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.640 So I had to tell him. I had to call him. 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.320 Let him, know, you know, he's always laughing at me. 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:24.320 But I had to call him, let him know how 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:29.560 unfair that. You know, we all feel for him because it's, oh, 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:34.520 it's so overshadowed by man, what a great accomplishment, you know. 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.160 And I talked about his numbers to him, and you 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.800 know how God, dude, you don't realize you look at 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:42.920 him as a player that just came up and hit people. 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.080 It's got a six time pro bowler. That's six time 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:47.960 pro bowler. That's a lot of co bowls for a 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.280 free safe. And he still got his wits about him. 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:53.680 He still does. He still he's got a great room 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.440 in his house. So he's got his upstairs man cave 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.800 sort of like yeah right, but he's got a closet 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:02.920 it there, and it's a big walk in closet, and 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:07.360 he's got everything from back in his playing date, like 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:11.520 the playbooks for the games. He's got him in binders. 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.320 And you go in there and see where he kept notes. 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:18.040 He and Charlotte Waters deserve each other. They just they 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.880 just keep who keeps that? He kept it all. I 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.880 couldn't wait to get that. I can't tell you the 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.400 stuff he had in there, White and then when we 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:28.480 were getting ready to leave, we were going down and 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:30.880 I was talking about the closet and his wife comes in. 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.360 She goes, he didn't take him in that closet, did you? 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:37.040 And I said, it was the best part of the tour, 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:41.400 exactly exactly. You have to mention. I don't want to 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.240 go through the break, but you have to mention just 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:48.520 how he played for his father. Right, his father was blind, 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.640 if I'm not mistaken from that's why he does the 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.840 does to him. But he wasn't able to see him play. 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:56.920 I don't know if he wasn't able to see him 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.000 play at all, but I know at a certain age, 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:03.359 h Cliff was playing in front of his blind father. Yeah, 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:06.240 and that's kind of that's that's that just shows a 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.280 lot of dedications, strength and also sadness. You know, my 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.360 dad was blessed enough, you know parents, hopefully you guys 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.120 were the same way. They weren't afflicted with anything like that. 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.479 And to carry that with you, I would imagine if 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:22.160 fueled him a lot. Yeah, as he played from Wachita 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.960 all the way through, uh, you know, playing for his dad, 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.600 and of course he kept that legacy alive through the 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:29.760 golf tournament as we spoke of. And I had Rick 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:33.240 Goslin on my show on CBS eleven on Sunday night. 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:36.320 He talked about Cliff Harris, and he thinks one of 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:38.639 the reason Cliff didn't even think he was gonna get it, 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:43.440 I mean, it blindsided him. He thought none of us. Yeah, 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.960 but Goods thinks one of the reasons is the makeup 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:52.280 of this committee. And there were seven football guys on 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:57.080 this committee, the Special Centennial Class Selection Committee, including Bill Belichick. 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.160 I'm looking at the list of the committee members. Gil 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.879 Brandt was on it. I'm looking for other football guys 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:07.880 who were on it, Dick le Beau, John Madden, Ozzie Newsome. 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.960 He said there were seven guys, Bill Polian who were 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:16.080 and Ron Wolf Okay, and not just media members. And 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:18.920 so he thinks the reason Cliff got in was those 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.120 football guys looked at how he was. They weren't looking 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.280 at stats. They don't care anything about stats or how 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:26.600 many Pro Bowls you were in. They were looking at you, 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.680 how you played, how you played football, right. And so 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:34.040 that says a lot about the respect that Cliff Harris 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:37.480 has among football people that in this class he got in. 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.480 And I heard. 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Coaches aren't down at 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:20.399 the Senior Bowl, decision made by Michael McCarthy keeping them here. 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:23.560 The scouts are there at the Senior Bowl this week. 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:27.000 And but let's talk Drew Pearson for a little bit here, 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:30.600 because I think everyone was pretty shocked and dismayed last 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.199 Wednesday morning when Drew did not get the call. With 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:37.840 this expanded class of senior players that were added to 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:41.200 the Hall of Fame, there were ten players seniors who 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:44.200 were voted in to the Hall of Fame. I believe 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:47.479 six of them are deceased, so they were players from 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:50.879 the twenties, thirties, forties, fifties. Rick Gosling told me that 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:53.160 was one of the one of the reasons they had 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.080 the expanded class was to take care of those who 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:59.120 had been bypassed way back in the past, but as 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:02.359 far as the modern guys now, Drew Pearson is the 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:07.600 only all decade player, not just wide receiver, but all 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:10.280 decade player who is not in the Hall of Fame. 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:12.720 After Cliff Harris got in, you know, and when Cliff 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:19.160 got in, and I think he understood, and Everson can 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:21.960 talk about it. When you get so close to making 0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:25.520 it and you don't get in, it's just crushing. And 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:29.399 in two thousand and four he was in the final 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:35.560 ten along with Bob Hayes and Rayphiel Wright, and he 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:39.119 got eliminated when they cut to six I think it 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:42.960 was or seven, no six, and then the other two 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:47.600 guys got voted out. Rayphiel didn't make it, Bob Hayes 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:50.920 didn't make it that year, three of them. I mean, 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:54.800 that's got to be excruciating. And so he understood. Drew's 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.879 part of that of how crushing it can be. And 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:00.119 you know, and Everson, you did the same thing. Have 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:02.040 a room full of people and you're sitting there and 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:06.080 waiting and then see his was they just had to 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:12.480 drive to his house. Mine flew to Minneapolis. So we're talking. Yeah, 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:16.600 I feel for you. But now in regards to Drew Many. 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:18.679 It's just it's so much I want to say, and 0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:21.040 I just have to be kind of careful. You know, 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:23.159 when you talk about the old regime of the Cowboys, 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:25.359 they weren't friends of the players. Let's just say what 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:28.200 it is. They weren't friends of the players. We were adversarials. 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:32.080 We had an adversarial relationship management and players. And that 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:36.159 was a time there to where they feel right, Bob Hayes, 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:40.600 I mean, come on, Mayor Renfro. Even these guys had 0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:42.639 to wait. They had to wait way too long to 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:46.320 get in. Some of them. We took begging from others. 0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:49.600 Bob Hayes, changed to change sports, to change the game, 0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:53.719 to change sports. Olympic Medal, super Bowl. Okay, you can 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:56.119 look that up and see how unique that is. You know, 0:23:56.520 --> 0:23:59.119 Ray feel right all pro like, oh my god, ten eleven, 0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:02.000 twelve times and you take all this time to get 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:06.720 in mel Renfroe. So you got to know that, you know, 0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:09.400 when you start talking about that, that that environment from 0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:13.600 back then, it wasn't friendly and text text ram and 0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:16.960 those guys they had long memories and if you made 0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:20.600 them mad, then they got something for you. Leroy, Jordan 0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:24.040 Leroy Jordan. Come on, man, I mean we're talking guys 0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:29.760 that deserve to be in the team. So now here 0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:32.760 you go. This is this is the dynamic here Overgeme 0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:35.680 don't give a crap, well really not, just don't give 0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:40.440 it Overgreen, really not your friend. New regime comes in. Oh, 0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:42.960 all those guys that didn't make it in the overgime. Oh, 0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:47.080 we don't dislike you. We just you know, we just 0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:49.760 don't care for you. I mean, we don't dislike you, 0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:52.280 but we've got guys that we have to deal with now. 0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:56.600 So you got guys like Drew Pearson, myself, Cornell Green, 0:24:57.440 --> 0:25:00.359 you know, you just talk like, oh, Cornell all at 0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:04.000 safety and corner. All of these guys have been forgotten 0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:07.359 about Harvey Martin. Harvey, don't get me started. Don't get 0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:10.080 me started. So all these guys have been forgotten about 0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:15.120 it and now are low priority for this organization, this regime. 0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:18.280 You can't blame Jerry for that, you can't do that. 0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:22.560 But he got me making up for Harvey Martin. You 0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:25.080 should have put Harvey Martin in. So these are kind 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:27.600 of this is the dynamic that we're dealing with that 0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:31.520 leads to the sadness of Drew Pierson and everybody that 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:36.040 loves him, and it affects everybody. I talk to her, Carmichael, 0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:38.480 he's upset about it, even though he's blessed to get 0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:43.480 in anyone's story that's positive. Then you've got the Drew Pearsons, 0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:46.360 you've got the Harvey Martins. You're not along that family. 0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:49.560 Drew and his sorry, Harvey and his mom are gone. 0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:51.919 So you know, we gotta think about what that family 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:55.159 thinks about every every hall of fame. My problem is 0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:58.840 not my problem. My approach is this. Before I got in, 0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:01.879 I never saw hall of fame event. I don't I 0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:04.080 still haven't seen one. I don't care to see one. 0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:08.399 I promised my dad when he died, I'm not until 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:10.640 i'm in. He used to call me every every every 0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:15.159 hall of Fame. You shut him down pretty good. He 0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:18.360 called me all the time, right, So we had fun 0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:21.400 with it. So that's just our little thing. So everyone 0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:24.880 has the good and you know, sad stories or whatever 0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:27.199 you want to call it. But I think it's a 0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:32.240 tragedy that we had to get here because of these 0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:37.719 political uh dynamic, this political dynamic crap that went on 0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:41.760 back then, and really it's still continuing today. No fault 0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:44.800 of Jerry's. That's not my job to make up for that. 0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:46.639 I got the other guys I gotta deal with. We 0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:48.639 gotta do with with now. Ring of Vanna, y'all did 0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:51.159 with Tony Romo, Ring of Varna. Some of these guys 0:26:51.600 --> 0:26:53.960 hadn't even made it to that yet, right even in 0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:57.760 the count you know. And and I got a feeling 0:26:57.840 --> 0:27:02.000 what happened was when they started going through this and 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:04.520 they looked at the coaches and it was like, Okay, 0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:08.360 Jimmy deserves to be in, so Jimmy. And then they 0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:12.840 looked at the players, and you know, with Cliff, it 0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:15.760 had been so long since he you know it, I 0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:17.920 mean two thousand and four is a long time ago, 0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:20.679 right when he came that close, and it's like, Okay, 0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:22.919 he deserves to be in. And when then when you're voting, 0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:26.159 I guarantee you those guys looked at that list and 0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:30.200 said we three cowboys three three cowboys in And it's 0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.240 like Drew took it up the shorts, you know. And 0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:36.720 when you think about what what what Bill said about 0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:40.280 the type of guys that were in the room, to me, 0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:45.800 that that boost Drew's Yes, yes, even even more. I 0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:49.560 just think they couldn't do three, and there was only 0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:52.399 three They got two guys. Keep in mind, on Harold 0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:55.680 Carmichael's resume, it does say Dallas Cowboy on it. Yeah, yeah, 0:27:55.760 --> 0:28:02.440 right last year. So there are some in that room 0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:06.000 who considered Carold carmike. I just never watching in the 0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:08.359 locker room, I'm going, that's the tallest wide receiver. I 0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:11.600 was like, Man, we weren't with the crap when I 0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:17.160 was there, but boy, we had fun. And the other 0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:19.000 thing with the football guys in the room, and this 0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:20.880 is one thing that Goose told me the other night, 0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:24.520 is they looked at Harold Carmichael as a you know, 0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:27.320 as tall as the six to eight guy, and he 0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:30.280 was the first of those type wide receivers coming into 0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:32.359 the league, and they looked at it and much in 0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:34.600 the same way as like a Bob Hey, Yes, the 0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.640 big wide receiver. He was the first of those types. 0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:41.520 And then and then also, and this really got lost 0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:45.040 was the fact that Clint Murkison, I don't even think 0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:48.120 they discussed it, didn't think about it. If not for Clint, 0:28:48.600 --> 0:29:02.480 we're not sitting here here. This is who knows. Yeah. Yeah, 0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:05.400 So I mean, how how does that happen, But I 0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:09.360 you know, I understand, and you know, no one knows 0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:14.600 who happened. Because to do things right, we're been doing 0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:16.880 the outside of sports, we've been doing that politics, we've 0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:21.480 been doing it socially. Everything that went to crap centuries ago, 0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:24.360 now we gotta make up foot But I guarantee the 0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:26.680 people in that room didn't know. I mean some are 0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:30.520 all might I mean not, some are all. Um Goose 0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:33.280 probably knows who he was, right, I don't know who else. 0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:38.280 Madden probably knows, but no one knows Clint and and 0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:42.920 you know, and yeah, because he was he was in 0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:45.520 the background. He wasn't a guy that was out front. 0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:47.800 What did you get like two years maybe before he 0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:52.360 passed away, Yes, when he sold the team and passed away. 0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:56.000 So he wasn't an outfront guy. He let techs run 0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:59.200 the show. He let Tom and Gil run the show. 0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:02.680 But if it's not for you, that's right. That's the 0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:05.320 way it used to be. Right. This is my I'm 0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:07.760 a rich man and this is my toy. I love 0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:11.720 being around these guys, right, and the toy has become 0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:14.520 your staple. Yeah, Now it's a business, that's right, And 0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:17.440 so that that's the unfortunate thing that no one even 0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.400 discusses the fact that he didn't get in. And at 0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:23.360 some point the guy that started the Dallas Cowboys should 0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:27.320 be in the with the GM many yeah, the coach 0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:30.800 and Scott Yeah, except for the guy that started the 0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:33.640 hired everybody. Yeah, all right. And the good news for 0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:37.560 Drew Pearson, Goose believes that he's going to get in 0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:46.200 probably this coming year. Yeah, thanks, okay, Yeah, But I 0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:48.960 love I love that when when when the guy doesn't 0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:50.680 get in that you think should get in, and you 0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:52.800 go and talk to guys and it's like, oh, yeah, 0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:55.120 I don't know understand how he didn't get in, and 0:30:55.160 --> 0:31:00.440 it's like a right job. I had some transparency about Remember, 0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:03.480 I'm glad you said that, because there's one thing I 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:05.360 like about and Goose has been a part of what 0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:08.960 I believe. You know, this this process, it needs to 0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:11.640 be transparent, it really. They do in baseball, right, they 0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:15.680 reveal there's too much bs going on, you know, of 0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:18.040 course as politics and everything. Even if the media was 0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:20.040 taken out of it and the players were the first 0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:22.160 line defense to vote for Hall of Fame, that's still 0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:24.080 be a lot of politics involved. Let's just be real 0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:27.120 about that. But I just like the fact that the 0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:30.440 veil has been lifted and we can see just what 0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:32.840 the process is so I can know who the point 0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:36.960 the finger hadn't blame, and a veil has been lifted 0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:40.080 on this new Cowboys coaching staff. So when we come back, 0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:42.640 we will tell you who you can point out and 0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:45.080 blame next season when we come back. In a moment, 0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:49.600 since eighteen sixty five, steps and hats are American maid 0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:53.040 with pride right here in Texas, and Stetson is proud 0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:55.360 to be on the field with America's team. Want to 0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:58.720 show your Texas and Team pride too. You can like 0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:01.800 purchasing your own You can look just like how the 0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:05.200 flag guys do on field at every home game. 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Friday, I think, 0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:33.800 I think Friday, because I had to do a TV appearance. 0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:37.839 All right, all right on Thursday. You had an opportunity, 0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:42.120 along with other scribes to visit with the head coach, 0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:47.120 Mike McCarthy. How did that go? It went? I thought awfully? Well, um, 0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:49.360 and there was kind of two parts to it. We 0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:52.440 were on the record, We were able to record thing. 0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:57.640 There was no video allowed. Uh no, texting during the session. 0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:00.480 I think we were in there for thirty five minutes 0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:04.080 with him, maybe a break with him. He did a 0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:07.360 five minute segment with me up for the Cowboys huddle. 0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:09.840 First things first, Yeah, and then he came back and 0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:12.640 it was just off the record, just kind of shooting 0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:15.200 so tell us all the record stuff. That's what him 0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:18.399 not supposed to Bill. But but he was very he 0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:21.400 was very engaging, and he you know, he had stories 0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:24.560 and um, you know, and now let's see if this 0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:29.280 takes continues when there's things on the line, right, And 0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:33.160 I've heard that like when he gets into press conferences 0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:36.680 during the season, that he doesn't give away anything. Most 0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:40.160 coaches don't, right, And that's what everybody wanted to always 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:43.640 criticize Jason for. And he's he's he was. I remember, 0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:46.759 especially when he and Rogers were going at it, he 0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:49.400 was very short at his press crisis. You could just 0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:52.200 see that he was fed up with all of this mess. 0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:55.480 But he was pretty expansive with us talking. You know, 0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:58.880 he really answered all the questions and there was really 0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:01.480 no question that he said, you know, I don't I 0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:03.719 don't want to answer that. The only thing he kind 0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.600 of hedged his bet On was what sort of defense 0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:08.719 they would play. You know, you're gonna play at three 0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:11.000 to four, you're gonna play a four to three, And 0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:13.080 he kind of went back and forth, and then he 0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:15.800 finally said, look, we're gonna have a four man line, 0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:19.880 and so to take it for what's but they're they're 0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:23.520 in a sub package. Yeah, and that's eighty five percent 0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:25.440 of the time. He said, we're in a sub package, 0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:28.600 so you're a four man line. So but but I 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:31.520 thought it was it was instructive that that that basically 0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:36.160 said I'm not picking players to fit my scheme. I'm 0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:41.400 picking the best players available. I'm picking Dallas Cowboy players, 0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:44.920 and then we'll adjust what we do to the talent 0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:48.240 we have. And that's on offense, defense, whatever, and special 0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:51.360 teams whatever. So I thought that was that was good. Uh. 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:55.319 The other thing that impressed me was the fact in 0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:59.879 one week's time he put a staff together, so he 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.560 knew going in what he wanted to do. You don't 0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:04.920 just get the job and go mm okay, let me 0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:07.520 go out there. He already had a plan that I 0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:09.879 want Mike Nolan to do this, you know, I want 0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:12.879 Jim tom Sula. Is that all you say to do this, 0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:16.160 and so he had this in his and he wanted 0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:19.000 Kellen Moore. And he pointed out when out of his 0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:22.319 way to point out that when he was interviewing for 0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:25.200 other jobs, he had his eye on Kellen Moore to 0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:28.360 bring him along as his offensive coordinator. Really, so he 0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:31.799 thought that much of him, of what he did in 0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:36.680 his personal connection and none other than keeping an eye 0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:39.200 on him. From Afar, I spent the last year studying 0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:42.520 the Cowboys offense. Probably what's happened this last year. And 0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:44.880 he was like, if I had gone to Carolina or 0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:47.680 the Giants wherever else he had interviewed, he was like, 0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:50.000 I was if they didn't keep him here, I was 0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:52.920 coming after him. That says, and who's calling plays? And 0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:54.960 then he pointed out, and he's going to call the 0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:58.120 play says a lot, right, It really did. And he said, 0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:00.960 he said, now I'll be involved in the structure. And 0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:02.920 he and he kind of said that's what he got 0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:05.480 away from in Green Bay when he didn't call plays. 0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:08.279 He wasn't involved in the structure of the offense, the 0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:11.239 game plan in the offense. Uh, And he thought that 0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:14.359 was a mistake. Yeah, I agree, so so, but this 0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:17.359 is his expertise. This is why he lasted that long 0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:21.040 as a head coach. Uh. And he pointed out that, yeah, 0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:24.120 I'm gonna let him call plays. So that was that 0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:27.600 was very I'd say, he'll let him call plays, but 0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:32.840 he'll have him Yeah, he'll have a card and will right. Yeah. 0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:35.280 But anyway, the fact that he had all these guys 0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.799 and a lot of them he had relationships with that 0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:41.480 he hired, which is good. And I learned that lesson 0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:45.480 back when the Cowboys in eighty nine, when Jimmy came 0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:48.320 for better or for worse, he brought all his guys 0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:52.120 from Miami with him. I think there was like eight guys, yes, right, yes, 0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:54.600 And he said, I made the mistake when I took 0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:57.080 the job at Miami and he didn't get the job 0:38:57.200 --> 0:39:01.239 to the first week in June when Nellenberger left to go, 0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:04.160 it was going to be a USFL team. I believe 0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:07.879 that never happened in Miami. And so all he got 0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:10.759 to do was bring Butch Davis with him, one guy 0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:14.719 from his Oklahoma state staff, and he said, I there 0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:17.839 was no loyalty. The majority of the guys that were 0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:20.880 left there from Snellenberger staff all wanted the job and 0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:23.759 they didn't get it, so they were somewhat jealous, and 0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:26.080 he goes, it was the worst year in coaching I 0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:28.960 ever had, and he said, so I said to myself, 0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:31.960 when I ever get another chance, I'm bringing my guys 0:39:32.080 --> 0:39:35.040 with me. So it wasn't like he hired guys off 0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:37.440 the Green Bay staff, but guys that he had coached 0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:40.399 with or at least been with. He coached for Mike 0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:44.480 Nolan in San Francisco. He was the offensive coordinator or 0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:47.279 quarterback or one for one year when Nolan was the 0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:51.279 head coach at I remember that if you recall, Mike 0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:56.160 Nolan was very theatrical on the sidelines because he went 0:39:56.200 --> 0:40:02.040 throwback right sideline and that was very controversial. Yeah, it 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:04.040 was he had to get permission to do it. I 0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:07.319 think I think to get permission first, Yeah, And they 0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:09.879 were not happy about it, yes, And then he came 0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:12.319 back and tried to get permission. I don't think they 0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:15.759 were happy about it the second time. And it was 0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:18.680 a tribute to his dad, right, yeah, absolutely, yeah, but 0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:20.680 you gotta have you still got to have the gear contract. 0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:23.960 And then I thought it was interesting that when he 0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:26.800 said you first, I first want to get my coordinators 0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:30.799 and then let them have a say in who we 0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:34.520 hire who they hire on their staff. And Kellen Moore 0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:37.719 spoke up for Doug Nussmeyer and they moved him from 0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:40.520 tight ends coach to quarterback coach. And that's the only 0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:43.479 other coach they've kept unless they decided to keep Leon 0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:46.120 Let who he wanted to Leon was actually coaching an 0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:49.080 East West Shrine game, so they going to keep him 0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:51.000 to get back he wanted to talk to him. Oh, 0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:54.080 that'd be great. They talked on Sunday. Yeah, yeah, and 0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:57.839 I bet he Well, I'm thinking unless Leon has something better, Um, 0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:01.560 I mean he I think the guys reacted to him 0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:04.520 pretty well. So we'll see where that one goes. And 0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:06.600 the other thing that's happened here in the last week, 0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:10.640 Jason Garrett has landed with the New York Janets and 0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:13.799 Colombo interviewing there. That's one thing we forget about when 0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:16.799 it comes to all of his coaching carouselt You know, now, 0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:20.080 he's got a family, right, I mean, do they all 0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:22.960 go with him? They're gonna stay here, kids in school? 0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:24.560 I mean I don't know. No, he's just he and 0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:28.359 his wife. Yeah, she might like it here, well, she 0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:31.160 might but they also probably liked when he was playing 0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:33.960 there and they lived in Manhattan and that was a 0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:36.360 while ago. Dude, well it was too. He's got family 0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:40.160 three and he's got brothers and sisters. I think that still. 0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:43.640 So I guess we just kind of forget about how 0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:48.680 no what when one guy gets fired, twenty guys get 0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:52.480 fired exactly, and every and everybody's moving families. And so 0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:55.360 think about all the coaches that you know that do 0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:58.799 have kids, yes, extended, and it's like lust. Nuss Meyer. 0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:00.800 I was thinking, oh, man, his son was going to 0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:04.600 be a senior. People are flower Mound Marcus Dater fans 0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:07.840 his son, Garrett, who's going to be a senior. And 0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:13.080 he's a topic quarterback, he's stud coming back senior year. 0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:16.120 What are they doing? What are they doing? Are they gonna? No? Here? Here? 0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:20.440 He's here, nuss Meyer staying as a guy, get you know, 0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:23.800 And yes, and John's son is a quarterback at Frisco ready, 0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:27.520 so that that's where they're landing. Yeah. So, but and 0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:29.879 that's what happens. And then in our final a few 0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:35.560 minutes here, um, what happens with Jason Witten. That's a 0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:39.239 good question. I don't have the answer too. I'd love 0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:42.360 for him to stay on only because of the attitude. 0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:45.680 I mean he hired he hired a tight ends coach, 0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:51.760 the guy that was with the Giants, uh Unda Lunda Lunda, 0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:55.799 Munda Wells, Wells. And I don't know that he wants 0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:58.760 to continue. Are you saying staying on as a player 0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:00.800 or I would love him to come on as a 0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:05.680 coach because you know it's already established. You know his 0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:09.960 attitude and how he communicates with the players. You know, 0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:12.560 sometimes behind the scenes we don't realize, you know, a 0:43:12.680 --> 0:43:14.360 guy might be a jerk in the locker room, and 0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:16.920 but the media loves and the coaches love. No. I 0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:20.759 think Jason Witten's he's like by all, I think what 0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:23.600 he said in the locker room people usually agree with 0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:26.360 and I mean people they count right, they usually agree 0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:28.560 with it. He pretty much sets the tone in that 0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:31.000 locker room. What do you make it? The Chris Mortenson Report, 0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:32.440 I was gonna say, by the way, we can go 0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:35.439 to noon because there's no show at Okay, Yeah, yeah, 0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:41.640 let's do that more. Chris Mortenson Report on Sunday Morning, 0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:46.760 which said, quoting sources that keep an eye on Jason Witten, 0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:50.560 perhaps joining Jason Garrett with the Giants and sounded like 0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:53.279 it a playing capacity if he decides to play. If 0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:57.279 he decides to play, Yeah, I don't. I don't like that. 0:43:57.560 --> 0:44:00.920 I mean, I mean that he's gold in New York 0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:07.319 by himself talking about family's got a little kid. I mean, 0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:10.680 they're pretty entrenched in the community, and I think that's 0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:15.960 why it's more convenient. Well, of course he could just 0:44:16.040 --> 0:44:18.440 sit out and I do, yeah, and be a dad 0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:21.000 for a year, and I think that's but he said 0:44:21.040 --> 0:44:24.200 he did talk to Jason. I might have been phone 0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:26.560 calls or whatever, and he did talk to Sean Lee. 0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:30.920 Um so McCarthy did McCarthy didn't. Yeah, so well you got. 0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:34.480 You gotta think of being a coach is more pressure 0:44:34.719 --> 0:44:37.640 on the family than being a player. That's kind of 0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:40.760 hard to say, because I saw I saw the players 0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:43.160 way more than I saw my family when I played. 0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:46.560 Coaches even worse. Yeah, especially depending on who you're coaching for. 0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:50.480 I mean, when Springs came to UH came to the 0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:54.080 to the Browns as my last year playing, and everyone 0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:58.920 always admired Tom Landry's screen passes, and Ron Springs is 0:44:58.960 --> 0:45:01.640 one of the best screen pass runners because he learned 0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:03.920 from Tom Landry and the best, and Door said as well, 0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:07.640 and so Belichick brought him in to help them construct 0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:12.839 a good screen pass philosophy within his offense. And he said, 0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:19.319 no one would leave the office until Belichick turned off 0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:24.720 the treadmill and turned off his lights. Everybody was just waiting. 0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:27.840 They let nothing in front of them. They're just waiting 0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:30.759 on Belichick to leave. Don't you think Saban is the 0:45:30.800 --> 0:45:33.240 same way. I believe that. I believe that because Saban 0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:35.360 was one of the guys, he was right there with Belichick. 0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:37.400 I'm not going anywhere till he goes somewhere because he 0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:39.680 was a DC right for the Browns at the time, 0:45:40.040 --> 0:45:43.520 and the Brons there just as a consultant. So he's 0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:47.360 up here trying to spread discontent. Hey man, let's go. 0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:49.719 You ready to go, Ready to go, Let's go out. 0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:54.919 It's happy hour, like nah. Jason Garrett, Jason Garrett told 0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:57.920 the funny story when he was unsaving staff at Miami. 0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:01.680 So he's the first year quarterback coach at the Dolphins 0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:06.360 with Saban, and it was the year. I don't know 0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:08.719 if he'd finished the year. So it was the year 0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:13.440 Troy Aikman gets into the Hall of Fame, and you know, 0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:15.640 he kind of wanted to go to the Hall of 0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:19.200 Fame ceremony and he got invited, and he's like, oh, 0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:23.960 we got practice on Saturday, you know, Friday, I didn't 0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:26.320 have to miss and he goes, He goes, but I 0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:29.759 just felt compelled that I should go since I was 0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:32.520 so close to Troy and all those years. And so 0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:36.279 he finally said, I worked up enough nerve to go 0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:40.680 into Saban's office and say, Coach, I don't know if 0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:43.279 I can do this or not, if it's okay, but 0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:45.800 Troy Aikman is going in the Hall of Fame, and 0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:48.880 you know, I know, we got practice Friday and Saturday 0:46:48.920 --> 0:46:51.719 it's training camp. And Saban looked at him, he goes, 0:46:52.080 --> 0:46:54.640 do you think we can't go through practice without you? 0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:02.480 Why are you coming to me with this? Go yeah, 0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:05.239 why are you asking me these questions? I have other 0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:07.439 stuff on my mind. But that's the same thing. They're 0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:09.920 all the I mean, that's coaching, right. Those guys are 0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:13.919 like that, that's a hard job. Now, the coaches coach 0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:17.600 because you know that's their job. Players don't want to 0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:21.960 put in that much time again to coach. Yeah, well, 0:47:22.120 --> 0:47:25.160 it's a difference now because the physical as opposed to 0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:28.920 the mental aspect is totally different. Yeah, but still as 0:47:28.960 --> 0:47:31.879 you get older, I mean, Jason's not that young twenty 0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:34.880 two year old anymore, So there's still a toll on 0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:38.080 you physically and mentally. But when you're talking about playing, 0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:41.080 I think we take it for granted, you know, as players. 0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:43.480 I used to get up so all the time, and 0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:45.480 it didn't it was no big deal. You know, Now 0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:47.680 that I'm older, I get up, So it's a big 0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:52.600 because check your That's the difference between you know, your 0:47:52.640 --> 0:47:54.640 time and your life, and you have to you have 0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:57.440 to make sure that you understand that. Here's the deal 0:47:57.480 --> 0:48:01.000 with Jason Witten. I think he's got the potential to 0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:04.360 be like a Mike Vrabel or he can be a 0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:07.520 head coach, whether it's at the major college level, let's 0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:10.680 say a Tennessee or in the NFL. I was wondering 0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:13.080 if he was considering going back to Well, that guy 0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:14.520 might have saved his job. At the end of the 0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:19.400 they kind of got they and so what do you 0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:22.480 do to get in that position to be an NFL 0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:27.800 head coach? Okay, he's got sixteen seventeen years of experience already, 0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:30.920 which I think counts for something right there. But as 0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:33.920 far as a coaching experience, what does it take for 0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:37.239 him to put himself in that position where he can 0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:39.440 be in position for a head coaching job. I think 0:48:39.480 --> 0:48:41.920 he needs to stay on the professional level if he 0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:43.920 really wants to get back to being a head coach. 0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:46.759 Stay on the professional level. You have to get with 0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:50.560 an organization, you get with a coaching staff. To me, 0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:54.080 it'd be more of a coaching staff where someone can 0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:58.080 show you the best way to be a head coach. Okay, 0:48:58.200 --> 0:49:00.880 Vrabel could have gone anywhere and he learned how to 0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:03.640 be and here's what coach, but he stayed. I would 0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:08.400 imagine first off, after he retired, he was at Ohio 0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:11.759 State linebackers coach for one year and then defensive line 0:49:11.840 --> 0:49:14.560 coach for two years. So he spent three years at 0:49:14.600 --> 0:49:18.360 his alma mater, Ohio State, and then hired by the 0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:22.320 Texans in twenty fourteen is a linebackers coach, two thousand 0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:26.880 and seventeen defensive coordinator, and then Texas next year one 0:49:26.960 --> 0:49:30.000 year is a DC and then to the Tennessee Titans 0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:31.879 as a head coach. If you were to go back 0:49:32.640 --> 0:49:36.839 It's like this, if I'm Vrabel versus Witten. Rabel goes 0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:41.080 back to Ohio State, great program, Witten goes back to Tennessee. 0:49:42.560 --> 0:49:46.319 Big difference could be lost there. Yeah, a big difference. Yeah, 0:49:46.440 --> 0:49:48.960 so when and you know, Vrabel of course played with 0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:51.319 the Pages, so he's with Urban Meyer at Ohio State. 0:49:51.840 --> 0:49:55.040 That's the difference. So now you got Jason Jason Witten, 0:49:55.320 --> 0:49:59.600 who's already a quintessential tight end. So just stay on 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:02.800 this level. Not saying the college is beneath you, but 0:50:03.000 --> 0:50:05.120 for him, that would be a step back. To me, 0:50:05.800 --> 0:50:07.879 I think he would stay, should stay on this level, 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:09.839 and it would it would be a value to him 0:50:10.239 --> 0:50:13.879 if he were to on this Cowboys coaching staff, even 0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:16.879 not coaching tight end. It's probably greater value to him 0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:23.520 coaching a different position. Special teams fastest of the games exactly, 0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:26.399 just in the special teams. Learn something else, right, because 0:50:26.400 --> 0:50:29.200 I think that certainly helped Andre grid And I don't 0:50:29.239 --> 0:50:32.640 know what'll happen with him, but you've got a Pro 0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:36.200 Bowl center here, but he started working with the defensive lineness. 0:50:36.600 --> 0:50:40.879 Learn another part of the game. Anytime you can make 0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:44.000 yourself more well, round it, right, Yeah, you take that opportunity. 0:50:44.000 --> 0:50:46.359 They don't turn it down. When I played, I was like, oh, 0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:49.320 I'm just a cornerback. Only old people go into safety, 0:50:49.360 --> 0:50:55.440 you know, to safety. Where comes Belichick is like, hey, 0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:58.920 you're going to safety. I'm like, man, cool, yeah. And 0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:01.880 it made me a better play and really a better teammate, 0:51:01.960 --> 0:51:04.200 you know. And that that's what I think happens sometimes 0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:07.480 to head coaches when they have an expertise at one 0:51:07.520 --> 0:51:10.160 side of the ball, and then when they go and 0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:13.680 they become a head coach and your expertise is over here, 0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:16.440 you're at the mercy of the guy over here. That's right, 0:51:16.640 --> 0:51:19.320 Like take care, I can't fix the defense, you know. 0:51:19.680 --> 0:51:22.200 And and if you think about Jimmy, it's like he 0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:24.480 could kind of keeping a hand on the defense when 0:51:24.520 --> 0:51:26.200 he first got here. He was at the mercy of 0:51:26.280 --> 0:51:30.399 his offensive coordinator, you know. And until North Turner got here, 0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:34.800 the offense struggle. That's why the staff is so important 0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:39.000 that I'm going back there where about right at all? Right, 0:51:39.239 --> 0:51:42.880 But he knew talent, not just as a player as player, 0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:46.719 he knew talented coaches, right. That's that's the strength that 0:51:47.680 --> 0:51:49.600 you really don't see that in the game these days. 0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:52.000 And he heard that about him in one night before 0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:54.560 an away game, and it was early eighty nine and 0:51:54.640 --> 0:51:58.440 it was probably and he came he came into the 0:51:58.800 --> 0:52:02.239 hospitality room and and somehow it came up and he 0:52:02.400 --> 0:52:05.720 got a cocktail napkin and he's starting guy and grabbing 0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:12.319 offensive plays. I'll show you a coach. Yeah, yeah, we'll 0:52:12.400 --> 0:52:15.279 take that thing about if Mike Shuler was in over 0:52:15.400 --> 0:52:18.719 his head and he couldn't help that side of the 0:52:18.800 --> 0:52:24.040 ball out and so excuse me, coach, and it's it's 0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:26.920 it's no knock on on. You know, coaches have egos. 0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:29.640 Jimmy have the biggest ego. It's not a bad thing 0:52:29.719 --> 0:52:33.200 to not know everything. Everybody's not Tom Landry, you know, 0:52:33.400 --> 0:52:36.200 Tom was. He was a special coaches back man. They 0:52:36.320 --> 0:52:39.600 had to know. He knew it all the position. And 0:52:39.719 --> 0:52:41.320 if you think about it, when he hired Tom was 0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:44.759 a puncher, so he had no specialties as well. When 0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:48.400 he hired North Turner. And it was at the Super Bowl. 0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:53.120 We were in Tampa. You're familiar with that Super Bowl. 0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:58.680 You happened to be there, right it was he was 0:52:58.840 --> 0:53:02.520 looking he was looking for an offensive coordinator and he 0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:06.160 had already been turned down. Interviews for a couple guys, 0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:08.800 and somebody turned him down. He was thinking of bringing 0:53:09.080 --> 0:53:12.120 Stevens from the University of Miami in here to do it. 0:53:12.360 --> 0:53:13.960 They thought he was going to do it. There was 0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:17.279 a coach at San Diego they couldn't get an interview with, 0:53:17.840 --> 0:53:21.279 like Norv was the third or fourth choice. Right that 0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:22.960 he finally hired, And we were in the middle of 0:53:23.000 --> 0:53:26.080 the week and spending our week chasing Jimmy because we 0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:29.480 needed to know who the offensive coordinator was. Finally we're 0:53:29.520 --> 0:53:32.480 at his hotel in the lobby. He comes down off 0:53:32.560 --> 0:53:35.520 the elevator and he sees us. He goes, luck, I 0:53:35.640 --> 0:53:38.800 am not hiring anybody this week. Do yourself a favor. 0:53:39.000 --> 0:53:42.480 Enjoy the superman that he called off the dogs right, 0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:45.840 because we're all sitting there wait following his every step 0:53:45.960 --> 0:53:49.280 of the way. And then he finally settled on Norv 0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:51.840 and it was a home run. It was like, are 0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:54.560 you kidding me? You just hired the wide receivers coach 0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:58.680 from the Rams? Who Norvil Turner? Who ever heard of 0:53:58.760 --> 0:54:01.440 this guy? Right? We didn't have Google back then, We 0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:04.560 couldn't We couldn't google him do figure out who this 0:54:04.760 --> 0:54:09.440 person was, right, And there was the rest of his history, right, 0:54:09.719 --> 0:54:13.720 all right? The most significant higher on this coaching staff. 0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:17.920 Who is it? Oh boy, I hadn't looked at it 0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:22.840 that way? Is it? The special team's coach John Fossil? Fossil, 0:54:23.040 --> 0:54:26.640 I think that's huge. That was a big struggle. Now, 0:54:27.080 --> 0:54:30.080 I say the D line, but I'm John tom Sula. 0:54:30.239 --> 0:54:36.160 Tom Sula, I think when you say significant, it's only 0:54:36.200 --> 0:54:38.560 gonna be significant if it makes a difference. So let's 0:54:38.600 --> 0:54:42.520 hope it's the most significant pick because that D line. 0:54:43.360 --> 0:54:46.840 I'm sorry, but that D line is just as complicit 0:54:46.920 --> 0:54:49.960 in our inability to stop the mrun. It's a lineback. 0:54:50.000 --> 0:54:51.839 Look at and look at what the forty nine ers 0:54:51.880 --> 0:54:55.520 have done with their D line. So let me piggyback 0:54:55.560 --> 0:54:58.120 on what I said. So the other side of the ball, 0:54:59.360 --> 0:55:02.600 Mike Nolan, whoever it was, the defensive coordinator. To me, 0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:05.839 that's what needed to be fixed. You can't score thirty 0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:08.799 points a game to win every time. You gotta win 0:55:09.000 --> 0:55:10.759 some twenty four. I did not want to go back 0:55:10.800 --> 0:55:14.719 to twenty sixteen seventeen to with all offense, no D right. 0:55:15.200 --> 0:55:16.880 I just I'm tired of that. I want to go 0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:19.320 back to some type of doomsday I don't care what 0:55:19.440 --> 0:55:21.480 you call it, but we've got to get a more 0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:28.239 staple defensive philosophy. We can't call any boy. Did you 0:55:28.280 --> 0:55:32.080 see the forty letters. They're trademarking it. They're they're putting 0:55:32.080 --> 0:55:37.239 it now. They deserve it. They deserve it, and they 0:55:37.320 --> 0:55:40.759 see the defences. Your quarterback only has to throw what 0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:43.600 eight passes, and you win a game because you can 0:55:43.800 --> 0:55:46.279 rely on your running game. What happened to Tennessee was 0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:48.600 their defense let them down and they had to get 0:55:48.640 --> 0:55:51.040 away from the running game. When you have a good defense, 0:55:51.160 --> 0:55:53.400 it doesn't have to be full of superstars, right, you 0:55:53.480 --> 0:55:56.240 could just go get some ballers, man, some hungry players. 0:55:56.760 --> 0:55:59.440 Never heard those guys on Buffalo's defense. I never heard 0:55:59.480 --> 0:56:02.440 of them. I'm sorry, I never heard of San Francisco. 0:56:02.719 --> 0:56:05.320 You know some of the guys because you guys reporters 0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:08.120 and somebody might be from the Texas area. I don't know, 0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:10.440 except for Richard Sherman and a couple of other guys, 0:56:11.200 --> 0:56:13.200 and they're not the ones making all the plays. And 0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:15.720 then they d the second pick in the draft, Bosa, 0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:19.160 and so those are the names. You know. The rest 0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:23.239 of them, they're just ballers, right, Bosa's not carrying them, 0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:26.600 and he alongside of a heck of a defense. It's 0:56:26.640 --> 0:56:30.840 an eye for talent. Who was the safety that was 0:56:30.920 --> 0:56:34.080 all over the place, he was a backup safety. He 0:56:34.719 --> 0:56:38.719 I can't remember forty nine, Yeah it was forty nine seven. 0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:46.120 Once again, Daniel Sorensen, who was the backup one Thorn Hill, 0:56:46.400 --> 0:56:48.480 who a lot of people fuck the Cowboys should have 0:56:48.560 --> 0:56:52.320 drafted instead of Tristan Hill and had a great rookie 0:56:52.400 --> 0:56:55.600 season for Kansas City. He got hurt, so they just 0:56:55.760 --> 0:56:58.160 put their third safety, Daniel Sorenson in there, and he's 0:56:58.200 --> 0:57:02.839 making plays on defense. That timing is everything that has 0:57:03.239 --> 0:57:05.120 at this point turned out to be one of the 0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:07.759 best defense in the league from game from Week eight 0:57:07.880 --> 0:57:11.320 on to the season. So defense and running the football, 0:57:11.800 --> 0:57:15.000 you guys, it's still important. By the way, they got 0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:18.080 a honey Badger over there on that gangs mathis and 0:57:18.160 --> 0:57:21.320 they gotta be happy for him. Yeah, you got Richard 0:57:21.360 --> 0:57:24.439 Sherman on San Francisco's defense and you got and they're 0:57:24.520 --> 0:57:29.040 loving each other till I thought they were kissing on Twitter. 0:57:31.360 --> 0:57:33.440 Makes a big difference. All right, are we bout out 0:57:33.480 --> 0:57:36.040 of time? We're about out of the green notebook, and 0:57:36.440 --> 0:57:40.200 in fact, there it is. You haven't seen this every side. 0:57:40.480 --> 0:57:43.680 I've been looking at all the morning, Big Green NFL 0:57:43.840 --> 0:57:47.560 Draft Scotty notebook. It is. He's like Harris, He's got 0:57:47.640 --> 0:57:50.760 Crepper and I want to know. Look, I've already got 0:57:50.880 --> 0:57:53.120 names in there. He's the guys I'm studying for the 0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:56.400 draft starting today. Did you go back to like twenty 0:57:56.880 --> 0:58:00.440 what fifteen sixteen and you had Raheem Moster in there? 0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:04.560 I did not think about that. Can't end the show 0:58:04.640 --> 0:58:07.280 without I did in twenty fifteen. I did after Neil 0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:10.880 Hunter and he's got over fifty sacks in this league. There, okay, okay, 0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:15.200 all right, we'll talk at you next time. Cowboys. 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