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Speaker 1: Screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the
Speaker 1: Star in Friscoot. Now, your hosts Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: Everson Walls, and Bill Jones. And it's a Tuesday inside
Speaker 1: the SWBC Mortgage studios here at the Star in Frisco,
Speaker 1: and time to talk Cowboys. No Rob today. He's out
Speaker 1: this week, but we hope to have Rob back next week, right,
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola, Yes, since I missed last week, we're just rotating.
Speaker 1: He was missing here where main stage right here? That's
Speaker 1: I mean, the oldest guys here right now, he's the
Speaker 1: oldest guy. I thank you. That's right. That's right. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: so much to talk about we do. We got a
Speaker 1: super Bowl matchup. I got my super Bowl head on.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's the wrong. Yeah, it's like you're last year
Speaker 1: and you're here. Yep, I'm here, but no one's there yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. There is the off week. Well I can
Speaker 1: claim he's still going. I'm not going. No, Okay, that's right.
Speaker 1: That's a different broadcast. That's right, it's a Fox broadcast.
Speaker 1: It's not CBS. We break out all stops when it's CBS. Okay,
Speaker 1: So it's Kansas City, the Dallas Texans and uh the
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers. Should be a good super
Speaker 1: Bowl matchup, almost really good matchup. Almost a good anniversary
Speaker 1: game right from the first one. Yeah, almost so. So,
Speaker 1: Casey beat both teams in the playoffs that had a
Speaker 1: little a little something in common, right, Houston Oilers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, rights and the Titans. That's right, both of
Speaker 1: them came through Houston. That's right. In fact, in fact,
Speaker 1: if you really want to go out back in time,
Speaker 1: we're talking Texas ties on both sides. Yeah right, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. You had this AFC Championship game matchup was
Speaker 1: a rematch of the nineteen sixty two AFL Championship game,
Speaker 1: the Dallas Texans winning and double overtime over the Houston Oilers. Wow,
Speaker 1: and Lamar Hunt subsequently moved the team to Kansas City
Speaker 1: right after that. Absolutely, that was classy, dude. That is
Speaker 1: a classy dude. Yeah, the whole Hunt family. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was a it was all the money thing,
Speaker 1: but they could have stayed here, you know, and fogged out.
Speaker 1: They could have battled for the market. I guess you
Speaker 1: might well. And if you look back at the archives
Speaker 1: from nineteen sixty sixty one sixty two, of course, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were an upstart expansion franchise and just getting their legs.
Speaker 1: And the Texans were more popular at the outside there
Speaker 1: they were, and more successful too. They still just decided
Speaker 1: to just move up, pick up the stakes, and move
Speaker 1: on out. Got a sweetheart deal. He must have to
Speaker 1: move to Kansas City, if I remember, the mayor of
Speaker 1: Kansas City and tist them with some financial incentives, and
Speaker 1: off he went. And he took a lot of great
Speaker 1: Texas athletes with him too. Yes, yes, Emma Thomas Right
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame was a bishop, Bishop Holletts. I think so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. A lot of local guys won that squad,
Speaker 1: and Texas guys EJ. Hollim. You know it's a Texas
Speaker 1: guy draft choice of the Cowboys. There you go. They signed, Yeah,
Speaker 1: big buck, you can Grambling State. There you go. A
Speaker 1: great how many Hall of Fame Hall of famers on
Speaker 1: that team when you think about it, Oh, this Taylor right,
Speaker 1: Flynn Dawson you're talking Emmy Thomas and a great squad Marcellus.
Speaker 1: I remember Marcellus being in the secondary, a great man,
Speaker 1: the man player. You also had the guy that just
Speaker 1: just got the Hall of Fame the year after I
Speaker 1: did make and he had fifty seven in the sep
Speaker 1: is it Johnny Robinson. Robinson. So that's a great square
Speaker 1: and you know, you have to think about it. He's
Speaker 1: one of the last ones to make the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame on that on that team as far as the
Speaker 1: superstar players, So they as a senior, did they keep
Speaker 1: throwing that in their face that it's been how many
Speaker 1: years sifty been to the super Bowl? Fifty years? Fifty years? Yeah, yep,
Speaker 1: super Bowl four. Yep. Super Bow Ilness is fifty four,
Speaker 1: so that would be four. I figured it out. I
Speaker 1: always get them confused with when the Jets wanted and
Speaker 1: then when Kansas City won it. But they went to
Speaker 1: the first one. That's right against Green Bay. And that's
Speaker 1: what you were alluding to off the top there, almost
Speaker 1: in the hundredth year of the National Football League had
Speaker 1: a rematch of the first Super Bowl. Green Bay didn't
Speaker 1: come close to holding up their into the bargain. That's
Speaker 1: it just got wiped out, and that's very unusual for
Speaker 1: Lombardi team, especially in the championship game. You're no, you're
Speaker 1: talking about this game. I'm like, what Lombardy beat him? Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe it's little ct CT coming didn't. Yeah, man, that
Speaker 1: was a wipe up. There's here's how much things have changed.
Speaker 1: Perhaps some were all used to tell the story about
Speaker 1: the first Super Bowl and you know, it was televised
Speaker 1: by both CBS and NBC Green Bay in Kansas City,
Speaker 1: and they came back from a at halftime the second
Speaker 1: half kickoff and CBS was still in a commerce maybe
Speaker 1: both networks, now I think it was. I think NBC
Speaker 1: was still in a commercial. CBS came back, okay, and
Speaker 1: and Pat they were switching who was doing the sideline reporters,
Speaker 1: but he was one. Yeah, the second half was his right.
Speaker 1: So he's down on the on the sideline and the
Speaker 1: producer calls in his air Well, what happened was Green
Speaker 1: Bay kicked off? Yeah, okay, and but they were in
Speaker 1: a TV time out. Okay, so that you take it.
Speaker 1: So so one of the stations had it, the other
Speaker 1: state NBC didn't. Okay, all right, And uh so he
Speaker 1: gets in his ear, and this is his first thing
Speaker 1: he's ever done for TV, right, Pat, summer all, this
Speaker 1: is his start and the producer goes, uh, Pat, NBC
Speaker 1: was in commercial break and missed the kickoff. Would you
Speaker 1: ask Vince Lombardi if he would kick off again? Since
Speaker 1: since Pat new Lombardi, since he played for the Giants
Speaker 1: when Barti was a coach, so summer are summer all?
Speaker 1: The answer is absolutely not going up to any coach.
Speaker 1: So they filed off again. They filed some underling to
Speaker 1: go up to Lombardi, goes a coach. They missed the
Speaker 1: kickoff on NBC, could you kick off again? And yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so he did? He did? Yes, come on, they did,
Speaker 1: because you know what, back then, you guys are too young.
Speaker 1: The NFL, the NFL, the NFL, the NFL just didn't
Speaker 1: recognize the AFL. They they felt like this slap in
Speaker 1: their face that they had to play this game, the
Speaker 1: NFL championship game. They considered the championship games. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: now we got to play this game, right, So Lombardi,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how serious the Packers took it,
Speaker 1: and uh, he goes, yeah, yeah, I we'll kick off
Speaker 1: a kid they did. Imagine, man missed the kids these days.
Speaker 1: It's amazing that we've survived. Yeah, when you look at
Speaker 1: all the crap that went on through history forgets sports, politics,
Speaker 1: and wars alone, how are we still sitting here? How
Speaker 1: is the world not just disintegrated? Like and by the way, Fringer,
Speaker 1: you mentioned something, you mentioned grambling and I meant to.
Speaker 1: I wanted not to forget this. I got to go to,
Speaker 1: uh the Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year banquet. When
Speaker 1: I went down to the National Championship game and uh
Speaker 1: uh coach O won it. Hopefully he's that good because
Speaker 1: he just lost both coordinators. By the way, yes, uh.
Speaker 1: And I ran into Eddie Robinson the third and he
Speaker 1: said to make sure you make sure you tell ever
Speaker 1: since I said, Hi, is he a little clone of
Speaker 1: his grandfather or what? It just just looks just like him.
Speaker 1: He will soon be brushing his hair. I really nice guy.
Speaker 1: A long conversation. When you grew up with the Robinson family,
Speaker 1: you you go through a lot of different organizations that
Speaker 1: others don't get a chance to go through. The Yankees,
Speaker 1: of course, loved Eddie Robinson. We were like the first
Speaker 1: football team to play a football game in Yankee State.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, nineteen sixty nine, I think it was. It
Speaker 1: was Morgan State. I think they said three Hall of
Speaker 1: Famers came from that football game back then, and so
Speaker 1: that's when you know the HBCUs. They were just black colleges, right,
Speaker 1: and they just had studs all running through that before
Speaker 1: all integration came. So it was an amazing event. So
Speaker 1: now he's he's working with the Yankees. Talking about Eddie Trey,
Speaker 1: he's working with several organizations that because Eddie Robinson's your grandfather,
Speaker 1: he has gotten to know some of the most important
Speaker 1: people in the world. Yeah, and he walks around like
Speaker 1: he's never met anybody. No, it was just the nicest guy.
Speaker 1: And I told he asked we were talking, I said, well,
Speaker 1: you can do me one favorite. What's that? I said,
Speaker 1: would you leave the Eddie Robinson Museum open on the
Speaker 1: weekends because when I strive through it's closed on the weekends.
Speaker 1: He goes, well, you have connections, and I bet I
Speaker 1: can open it. You got a son too, Eddie Robinson fourth. Wow,
Speaker 1: how about that he's in college now? Wow? Yeah, Andie
Speaker 1: Trey has a son in college. Yeah, yeah, it looks
Speaker 1: well he does. You're right. So where is Eddie Robinson Museum.
Speaker 1: It's on campus. Okay, I have pictures if you want
Speaker 1: to see it, all right, all right, I have a
Speaker 1: video running through there. And it was the uh oh,
Speaker 1: you guys, the quarterback story. They had the one white quarterback.
Speaker 1: It was a Gramley Tiger. And you will not remember
Speaker 1: who was the star of that movie. And I was
Speaker 1: there as they shot the movie. My wife and I
Speaker 1: were in the movie. We were extra. Was in the movie.
Speaker 1: Do you know who the white tyger? Heard the name?
Speaker 1: But I do not remember. Well, his name has changed.
Speaker 1: It used to be Bruce, and that was Kaitlin. That's
Speaker 1: what Caitlin. Caitlin, right, Caitlyn Jenner. That's how you say,
Speaker 1: that's Bruce. Bruce was a white tiger. Bruce was the
Speaker 1: white I was in the scene with Bruce Jenner. Guys,
Speaker 1: you gotta look it up, man, white tiger. I was
Speaker 1: in a domino scene. I'm with my boys with playing dominoes.
Speaker 1: Come on, it's a black college. You gotta put a
Speaker 1: domino scene in that one. Can't have him scene at
Speaker 1: Gramley stage. Come on back in the sixties and and
Speaker 1: not have a domino scene. So I'm playing dominoes me
Speaker 1: and my boys and we look up and some white
Speaker 1: dude opens the door at All Black School in the
Speaker 1: dormitory and he goes, hey, guys, and we look at
Speaker 1: him like he's got no clothes. One has no clothes, Like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing to here, white boy? How many
Speaker 1: movies should have been called White Tiger. I don't know
Speaker 1: gramblings White Tiger. Let me put in Grambling. Only one. Hey,
Speaker 1: that helped me pay my bills when I was off
Speaker 1: campus from my senor actually paid you to man, I'm
Speaker 1: a I'm a sag Now do the eighty one movie.
Speaker 1: I'm with sag Man. Come on, I didn't see on
Speaker 1: the show last Bruce Jenner starring Bruce Jenner, Dude, the
Speaker 1: All State Man, the insurance Man, Dennis Haybert. He was there,
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, everybody was there. Man the guy
Speaker 1: from the Rookies, the one of the black guys from
Speaker 1: the Rookies, the old show Stafford, right, Stafford. I think
Speaker 1: his listening. He's the producer of the director of the show.
Speaker 1: Stars at Grambling. You don't get this anywhere else but
Speaker 1: tried George Stanford Brown. Stafford Brown was the director of
Speaker 1: the Bruce Come on, man, there you go elbows with
Speaker 1: him a baby, well not just bags deeper than that.
Speaker 1: Since we're talking Hall of famers being Eddie Robinson, should
Speaker 1: we talk Hall of Fame? Now we're the close of
Speaker 1: this first segment. I don't know that we have enough time.
Speaker 1: I know we don't have enough time too. Well, let's
Speaker 1: talk Okay, let's talk about the ones who got in first,
Speaker 1: and then we'll come back and talk about the one
Speaker 1: who did not get eggs uh it. And we talked
Speaker 1: about Jimmy last week. Mickey, you weren't here last week, right,
Speaker 1: It was great to seeing Jimmy. Uh as he found
Speaker 1: out got surprised when I was happy even I was happy.
Speaker 1: I don't I never don't think I've ever seen him
Speaker 1: happy emotional like that, you know, yeah, he's usually happy,
Speaker 1: no very I was like, yeah, yeah, that came from
Speaker 1: that came from somewhere. That was pretty cool. And then
Speaker 1: the fact that they had to uh wherewithal to keep
Speaker 1: a camera on Troy yeah during it, Yes, that was
Speaker 1: pretty good producing there. Yeah. And then Cliff Harris gets
Speaker 1: in last Wednesday stuff. Yeah. I had called Cliff the
Speaker 1: week before I don't know what I was doing. I
Speaker 1: just got bored. I called him and we started talking.
Speaker 1: I had him laughing about different stuff. So then I
Speaker 1: called him back after one I told him I was
Speaker 1: good luck for Yeah, I got I got to talk
Speaker 1: to him Wednesday, I think it was Wednesday. After I
Speaker 1: got back, I gave him a call after he did announcement,
Speaker 1: and yeah, he was really happy. He was pretty humble
Speaker 1: about it too, no doubt knowing him, and yeah, but
Speaker 1: he just thought it was great and he said he
Speaker 1: made sure he text back and forth with Drew. I'm
Speaker 1: getting ahead of ourselves, but just to let him know that,
Speaker 1: you know, as happy as I am, more sad for
Speaker 1: you not getting in. And that was the reason I
Speaker 1: called him the second time, was because everybody was just
Speaker 1: so heartbroken. Yeah, you know, you had the video right
Speaker 1: there and it just and like I said, we're getting
Speaker 1: a hit of ourselves, but you just can't talk about
Speaker 1: how Cliff deserved herbs better in regards to us being
Speaker 1: so angry about Drew. That man, this guy made secondary
Speaker 1: man a watchtop Baptist and he's in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: So I had to tell him. I had to call him.
Speaker 1: Let him, know, you know, he's always laughing at me.
Speaker 1: But I had to call him, let him know how
Speaker 1: unfair that. You know, we all feel for him because it's, oh,
Speaker 1: it's so overshadowed by man, what a great accomplishment, you know.
Speaker 1: And I talked about his numbers to him, and you
Speaker 1: know how God, dude, you don't realize you look at
Speaker 1: him as a player that just came up and hit people.
Speaker 1: It's got a six time pro bowler. That's six time
Speaker 1: pro bowler. That's a lot of co bowls for a
Speaker 1: free safe. And he still got his wits about him.
Speaker 1: He still does. He still he's got a great room
Speaker 1: in his house. So he's got his upstairs man cave
Speaker 1: sort of like yeah right, but he's got a closet
Speaker 1: it there, and it's a big walk in closet, and
Speaker 1: he's got everything from back in his playing date, like
Speaker 1: the playbooks for the games. He's got him in binders.
Speaker 1: And you go in there and see where he kept notes.
Speaker 1: He and Charlotte Waters deserve each other. They just they
Speaker 1: just keep who keeps that? He kept it all. I
Speaker 1: couldn't wait to get that. I can't tell you the
Speaker 1: stuff he had in there, White and then when we
Speaker 1: were getting ready to leave, we were going down and
Speaker 1: I was talking about the closet and his wife comes in.
Speaker 1: She goes, he didn't take him in that closet, did you?
Speaker 1: And I said, it was the best part of the tour,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. You have to mention. I don't want to
Speaker 1: go through the break, but you have to mention just
Speaker 1: how he played for his father. Right, his father was blind,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken from that's why he does the
Speaker 1: does to him. But he wasn't able to see him play.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he wasn't able to see him
Speaker 1: play at all, but I know at a certain age,
Speaker 1: h Cliff was playing in front of his blind father. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of that's that's that just shows a
Speaker 1: lot of dedications, strength and also sadness. You know, my
Speaker 1: dad was blessed enough, you know parents, hopefully you guys
Speaker 1: were the same way. They weren't afflicted with anything like that.
Speaker 1: And to carry that with you, I would imagine if
Speaker 1: fueled him a lot. Yeah, as he played from Wachita
Speaker 1: all the way through, uh, you know, playing for his dad,
Speaker 1: and of course he kept that legacy alive through the
Speaker 1: golf tournament as we spoke of. And I had Rick
Speaker 1: Goslin on my show on CBS eleven on Sunday night.
Speaker 1: He talked about Cliff Harris, and he thinks one of
Speaker 1: the reason Cliff didn't even think he was gonna get it,
Speaker 1: I mean, it blindsided him. He thought none of us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Goods thinks one of the reasons is the makeup
Speaker 1: of this committee. And there were seven football guys on
Speaker 1: this committee, the Special Centennial Class Selection Committee, including Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the list of the committee members. Gil
Speaker 1: Brandt was on it. I'm looking for other football guys
Speaker 1: who were on it, Dick le Beau, John Madden, Ozzie Newsome.
Speaker 1: He said there were seven guys, Bill Polian who were
Speaker 1: and Ron Wolf Okay, and not just media members. And
Speaker 1: so he thinks the reason Cliff got in was those
Speaker 1: football guys looked at how he was. They weren't looking
Speaker 1: at stats. They don't care anything about stats or how
Speaker 1: many Pro Bowls you were in. They were looking at you,
Speaker 1: how you played, how you played football, right. And so
Speaker 1: that says a lot about the respect that Cliff Harris
Speaker 1: has among football people that in this class he got in.
Speaker 1: And I heard. I heard Goose talk about the day
Speaker 1: or the days they had two twelve hour meetings in person,
Speaker 1: and this fouled several conference calls with everybody that they
Speaker 1: held before that, so it was pretty extensive. They didn't
Speaker 1: they weren't very cavalier about it. So I guess we've
Speaker 1: blown the second segment here now, Okay, we'll be back
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Speaker 1: September twenty nineteen to Talk in Cowboys, got a lot
Speaker 1: to get to here on this edition of Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: we will get into this Cowboys coaching staff where Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl is starting up this week. Coaches aren't down at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, decision made by Michael McCarthy keeping them here.
Speaker 1: The scouts are there at the Senior Bowl this week.
Speaker 1: And but let's talk Drew Pearson for a little bit here,
Speaker 1: because I think everyone was pretty shocked and dismayed last
Speaker 1: Wednesday morning when Drew did not get the call. With
Speaker 1: this expanded class of senior players that were added to
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, there were ten players seniors who
Speaker 1: were voted in to the Hall of Fame. I believe
Speaker 1: six of them are deceased, so they were players from
Speaker 1: the twenties, thirties, forties, fifties. Rick Gosling told me that
Speaker 1: was one of the one of the reasons they had
Speaker 1: the expanded class was to take care of those who
Speaker 1: had been bypassed way back in the past, but as
Speaker 1: far as the modern guys now, Drew Pearson is the
Speaker 1: only all decade player, not just wide receiver, but all
Speaker 1: decade player who is not in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: After Cliff Harris got in, you know, and when Cliff
Speaker 1: got in, and I think he understood, and Everson can
Speaker 1: talk about it. When you get so close to making
Speaker 1: it and you don't get in, it's just crushing. And
Speaker 1: in two thousand and four he was in the final
Speaker 1: ten along with Bob Hayes and Rayphiel Wright, and he
Speaker 1: got eliminated when they cut to six I think it
Speaker 1: was or seven, no six, and then the other two
Speaker 1: guys got voted out. Rayphiel didn't make it, Bob Hayes
Speaker 1: didn't make it that year, three of them. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's got to be excruciating. And so he understood. Drew's
Speaker 1: part of that of how crushing it can be. And
Speaker 1: you know, and Everson, you did the same thing. Have
Speaker 1: a room full of people and you're sitting there and
Speaker 1: waiting and then see his was they just had to
Speaker 1: drive to his house. Mine flew to Minneapolis. So we're talking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel for you. But now in regards to Drew Many.
Speaker 1: It's just it's so much I want to say, and
Speaker 1: I just have to be kind of careful. You know,
Speaker 1: when you talk about the old regime of the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: they weren't friends of the players. Let's just say what
Speaker 1: it is. They weren't friends of the players. We were adversarials.
Speaker 1: We had an adversarial relationship management and players. And that
Speaker 1: was a time there to where they feel right, Bob Hayes,
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, Mayor Renfro. Even these guys had
Speaker 1: to wait. They had to wait way too long to
Speaker 1: get in. Some of them. We took begging from others.
Speaker 1: Bob Hayes, changed to change sports, to change the game,
Speaker 1: to change sports. Olympic Medal, super Bowl. Okay, you can
Speaker 1: look that up and see how unique that is. You know,
Speaker 1: Ray feel right all pro like, oh my god, ten eleven,
Speaker 1: twelve times and you take all this time to get
Speaker 1: in mel Renfroe. So you got to know that, you know,
Speaker 1: when you start talking about that, that that environment from
Speaker 1: back then, it wasn't friendly and text text ram and
Speaker 1: those guys they had long memories and if you made
Speaker 1: them mad, then they got something for you. Leroy, Jordan
Speaker 1: Leroy Jordan. Come on, man, I mean we're talking guys
Speaker 1: that deserve to be in the team. So now here
Speaker 1: you go. This is this is the dynamic here Overgeme
Speaker 1: don't give a crap, well really not, just don't give
Speaker 1: it Overgreen, really not your friend. New regime comes in. Oh,
Speaker 1: all those guys that didn't make it in the overgime. Oh,
Speaker 1: we don't dislike you. We just you know, we just
Speaker 1: don't care for you. I mean, we don't dislike you,
Speaker 1: but we've got guys that we have to deal with now.
Speaker 1: So you got guys like Drew Pearson, myself, Cornell Green,
Speaker 1: you know, you just talk like, oh, Cornell all at
Speaker 1: safety and corner. All of these guys have been forgotten
Speaker 1: about Harvey Martin. Harvey, don't get me started. Don't get
Speaker 1: me started. So all these guys have been forgotten about
Speaker 1: it and now are low priority for this organization, this regime.
Speaker 1: You can't blame Jerry for that, you can't do that.
Speaker 1: But he got me making up for Harvey Martin. You
Speaker 1: should have put Harvey Martin in. So these are kind
Speaker 1: of this is the dynamic that we're dealing with that
Speaker 1: leads to the sadness of Drew Pierson and everybody that
Speaker 1: loves him, and it affects everybody. I talk to her, Carmichael,
Speaker 1: he's upset about it, even though he's blessed to get
Speaker 1: in anyone's story that's positive. Then you've got the Drew Pearsons,
Speaker 1: you've got the Harvey Martins. You're not along that family.
Speaker 1: Drew and his sorry, Harvey and his mom are gone.
Speaker 1: So you know, we gotta think about what that family
Speaker 1: thinks about every every hall of fame. My problem is
Speaker 1: not my problem. My approach is this. Before I got in,
Speaker 1: I never saw hall of fame event. I don't I
Speaker 1: still haven't seen one. I don't care to see one.
Speaker 1: I promised my dad when he died, I'm not until
Speaker 1: i'm in. He used to call me every every every
Speaker 1: hall of Fame. You shut him down pretty good. He
Speaker 1: called me all the time, right, So we had fun
Speaker 1: with it. So that's just our little thing. So everyone
Speaker 1: has the good and you know, sad stories or whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call it. But I think it's a
Speaker 1: tragedy that we had to get here because of these
Speaker 1: political uh dynamic, this political dynamic crap that went on
Speaker 1: back then, and really it's still continuing today. No fault
Speaker 1: of Jerry's. That's not my job to make up for that.
Speaker 1: I got the other guys I gotta deal with. We
Speaker 1: gotta do with with now. Ring of Vanna, y'all did
Speaker 1: with Tony Romo, Ring of Varna. Some of these guys
Speaker 1: hadn't even made it to that yet, right even in
Speaker 1: the count you know. And and I got a feeling
Speaker 1: what happened was when they started going through this and
Speaker 1: they looked at the coaches and it was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: Jimmy deserves to be in, so Jimmy. And then they
Speaker 1: looked at the players, and you know, with Cliff, it
Speaker 1: had been so long since he you know it, I
Speaker 1: mean two thousand and four is a long time ago,
Speaker 1: right when he came that close, and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: he deserves to be in. And when then when you're voting,
Speaker 1: I guarantee you those guys looked at that list and
Speaker 1: said we three cowboys three three cowboys in And it's
Speaker 1: like Drew took it up the shorts, you know. And
Speaker 1: when you think about what what what Bill said about
Speaker 1: the type of guys that were in the room, to me,
Speaker 1: that that boost Drew's Yes, yes, even even more. I
Speaker 1: just think they couldn't do three, and there was only
Speaker 1: three They got two guys. Keep in mind, on Harold
Speaker 1: Carmichael's resume, it does say Dallas Cowboy on it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: right last year. So there are some in that room
Speaker 1: who considered Carold carmike. I just never watching in the
Speaker 1: locker room, I'm going, that's the tallest wide receiver. I
Speaker 1: was like, Man, we weren't with the crap when I
Speaker 1: was there, but boy, we had fun. And the other
Speaker 1: thing with the football guys in the room, and this
Speaker 1: is one thing that Goose told me the other night,
Speaker 1: is they looked at Harold Carmichael as a you know,
Speaker 1: as tall as the six to eight guy, and he
Speaker 1: was the first of those type wide receivers coming into
Speaker 1: the league, and they looked at it and much in
Speaker 1: the same way as like a Bob Hey, Yes, the
Speaker 1: big wide receiver. He was the first of those types.
Speaker 1: And then and then also, and this really got lost
Speaker 1: was the fact that Clint Murkison, I don't even think
Speaker 1: they discussed it, didn't think about it. If not for Clint,
Speaker 1: we're not sitting here here. This is who knows. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I mean, how how does that happen, But I
Speaker 1: you know, I understand, and you know, no one knows
Speaker 1: who happened. Because to do things right, we're been doing
Speaker 1: the outside of sports, we've been doing that politics, we've
Speaker 1: been doing it socially. Everything that went to crap centuries ago,
Speaker 1: now we gotta make up foot But I guarantee the
Speaker 1: people in that room didn't know. I mean some are
Speaker 1: all might I mean not, some are all. Um Goose
Speaker 1: probably knows who he was, right, I don't know who else.
Speaker 1: Madden probably knows, but no one knows Clint and and
Speaker 1: you know, and yeah, because he was he was in
Speaker 1: the background. He wasn't a guy that was out front.
Speaker 1: What did you get like two years maybe before he
Speaker 1: passed away, Yes, when he sold the team and passed away.
Speaker 1: So he wasn't an outfront guy. He let techs run
Speaker 1: the show. He let Tom and Gil run the show.
Speaker 1: But if it's not for you, that's right. That's the
Speaker 1: way it used to be. Right. This is my I'm
Speaker 1: a rich man and this is my toy. I love
Speaker 1: being around these guys, right, and the toy has become
Speaker 1: your staple. Yeah, Now it's a business, that's right, And
Speaker 1: so that that's the unfortunate thing that no one even
Speaker 1: discusses the fact that he didn't get in. And at
Speaker 1: some point the guy that started the Dallas Cowboys should
Speaker 1: be in the with the GM many yeah, the coach
Speaker 1: and Scott Yeah, except for the guy that started the
Speaker 1: hired everybody. Yeah, all right. And the good news for
Speaker 1: Drew Pearson, Goose believes that he's going to get in
Speaker 1: probably this coming year. Yeah, thanks, okay, Yeah, But I
Speaker 1: love I love that when when when the guy doesn't
Speaker 1: get in that you think should get in, and you
Speaker 1: go and talk to guys and it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know understand how he didn't get in, and
Speaker 1: it's like a right job. I had some transparency about Remember,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, because there's one thing I
Speaker 1: like about and Goose has been a part of what
Speaker 1: I believe. You know, this this process, it needs to
Speaker 1: be transparent, it really. They do in baseball, right, they
Speaker 1: reveal there's too much bs going on, you know, of
Speaker 1: course as politics and everything. Even if the media was
Speaker 1: taken out of it and the players were the first
Speaker 1: line defense to vote for Hall of Fame, that's still
Speaker 1: be a lot of politics involved. Let's just be real
Speaker 1: about that. But I just like the fact that the
Speaker 1: veil has been lifted and we can see just what
Speaker 1: the process is so I can know who the point
Speaker 1: the finger hadn't blame, and a veil has been lifted
Speaker 1: on this new Cowboys coaching staff. So when we come back,
Speaker 1: we will tell you who you can point out and
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Speaker 1: for a Jack Black read fun zillers to pass along,
Speaker 1: and there's a Jack Black warehouse of some sort in combat.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that munch because we were driving
Speaker 1: to a party the other night and my wife said, look,
Speaker 1: there's a Jack Black building right there. So there you go,
Speaker 1: Well maybe we should drive over there and introduce ourselves.
Speaker 1: We do products. There you go, well they saw you
Speaker 1: if they saw your beard this morning, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: I started using that razor. It is really good. I
Speaker 1: don't know when was the last time you used it.
Speaker 1: You hadn't been It's been a while. Friday, I think,
Speaker 1: I think Friday, because I had to do a TV appearance.
Speaker 1: All right, all right on Thursday. You had an opportunity,
Speaker 1: along with other scribes to visit with the head coach,
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. How did that go? It went? I thought awfully? Well, um,
Speaker 1: and there was kind of two parts to it. We
Speaker 1: were on the record, We were able to record thing.
Speaker 1: There was no video allowed. Uh no, texting during the session.
Speaker 1: I think we were in there for thirty five minutes
Speaker 1: with him, maybe a break with him. He did a
Speaker 1: five minute segment with me up for the Cowboys huddle.
Speaker 1: First things first, Yeah, and then he came back and
Speaker 1: it was just off the record, just kind of shooting
Speaker 1: so tell us all the record stuff. That's what him
Speaker 1: not supposed to Bill. But but he was very he
Speaker 1: was very engaging, and he you know, he had stories
Speaker 1: and um, you know, and now let's see if this
Speaker 1: takes continues when there's things on the line, right, And
Speaker 1: I've heard that like when he gets into press conferences
Speaker 1: during the season, that he doesn't give away anything. Most
Speaker 1: coaches don't, right, And that's what everybody wanted to always
Speaker 1: criticize Jason for. And he's he's he was. I remember,
Speaker 1: especially when he and Rogers were going at it, he
Speaker 1: was very short at his press crisis. You could just
Speaker 1: see that he was fed up with all of this mess.
Speaker 1: But he was pretty expansive with us talking. You know,
Speaker 1: he really answered all the questions and there was really
Speaker 1: no question that he said, you know, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't want to answer that. The only thing he kind
Speaker 1: of hedged his bet On was what sort of defense
Speaker 1: they would play. You know, you're gonna play at three
Speaker 1: to four, you're gonna play a four to three, And
Speaker 1: he kind of went back and forth, and then he
Speaker 1: finally said, look, we're gonna have a four man line,
Speaker 1: and so to take it for what's but they're they're
Speaker 1: in a sub package. Yeah, and that's eighty five percent
Speaker 1: of the time. He said, we're in a sub package,
Speaker 1: so you're a four man line. So but but I
Speaker 1: thought it was it was instructive that that that basically
Speaker 1: said I'm not picking players to fit my scheme. I'm
Speaker 1: picking the best players available. I'm picking Dallas Cowboy players,
Speaker 1: and then we'll adjust what we do to the talent
Speaker 1: we have. And that's on offense, defense, whatever, and special
Speaker 1: teams whatever. So I thought that was that was good. Uh.
Speaker 1: The other thing that impressed me was the fact in
Speaker 1: one week's time he put a staff together, so he
Speaker 1: knew going in what he wanted to do. You don't
Speaker 1: just get the job and go mm okay, let me
Speaker 1: go out there. He already had a plan that I
Speaker 1: want Mike Nolan to do this, you know, I want
Speaker 1: Jim tom Sula. Is that all you say to do this,
Speaker 1: and so he had this in his and he wanted
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore. And he pointed out when out of his
Speaker 1: way to point out that when he was interviewing for
Speaker 1: other jobs, he had his eye on Kellen Moore to
Speaker 1: bring him along as his offensive coordinator. Really, so he
Speaker 1: thought that much of him, of what he did in
Speaker 1: his personal connection and none other than keeping an eye
Speaker 1: on him. From Afar, I spent the last year studying
Speaker 1: the Cowboys offense. Probably what's happened this last year. And
Speaker 1: he was like, if I had gone to Carolina or
Speaker 1: the Giants wherever else he had interviewed, he was like,
Speaker 1: I was if they didn't keep him here, I was
Speaker 1: coming after him. That says, and who's calling plays? And
Speaker 1: then he pointed out, and he's going to call the
Speaker 1: play says a lot, right, It really did. And he said,
Speaker 1: he said, now I'll be involved in the structure. And
Speaker 1: he and he kind of said that's what he got
Speaker 1: away from in Green Bay when he didn't call plays.
Speaker 1: He wasn't involved in the structure of the offense, the
Speaker 1: game plan in the offense. Uh, And he thought that
Speaker 1: was a mistake. Yeah, I agree, so so, but this
Speaker 1: is his expertise. This is why he lasted that long
Speaker 1: as a head coach. Uh. And he pointed out that, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let him call plays. So that was that
Speaker 1: was very I'd say, he'll let him call plays, but
Speaker 1: he'll have him Yeah, he'll have a card and will right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But anyway, the fact that he had all these guys
Speaker 1: and a lot of them he had relationships with that
Speaker 1: he hired, which is good. And I learned that lesson
Speaker 1: back when the Cowboys in eighty nine, when Jimmy came
Speaker 1: for better or for worse, he brought all his guys
Speaker 1: from Miami with him. I think there was like eight guys, yes, right, yes,
Speaker 1: And he said, I made the mistake when I took
Speaker 1: the job at Miami and he didn't get the job
Speaker 1: to the first week in June when Nellenberger left to go,
Speaker 1: it was going to be a USFL team. I believe
Speaker 1: that never happened in Miami. And so all he got
Speaker 1: to do was bring Butch Davis with him, one guy
Speaker 1: from his Oklahoma state staff, and he said, I there
Speaker 1: was no loyalty. The majority of the guys that were
Speaker 1: left there from Snellenberger staff all wanted the job and
Speaker 1: they didn't get it, so they were somewhat jealous, and
Speaker 1: he goes, it was the worst year in coaching I
Speaker 1: ever had, and he said, so I said to myself,
Speaker 1: when I ever get another chance, I'm bringing my guys
Speaker 1: with me. So it wasn't like he hired guys off
Speaker 1: the Green Bay staff, but guys that he had coached
Speaker 1: with or at least been with. He coached for Mike
Speaker 1: Nolan in San Francisco. He was the offensive coordinator or
Speaker 1: quarterback or one for one year when Nolan was the
Speaker 1: head coach at I remember that if you recall, Mike
Speaker 1: Nolan was very theatrical on the sidelines because he went
Speaker 1: throwback right sideline and that was very controversial. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was he had to get permission to do it. I
Speaker 1: think I think to get permission first, Yeah, And they
Speaker 1: were not happy about it, yes, And then he came
Speaker 1: back and tried to get permission. I don't think they
Speaker 1: were happy about it the second time. And it was
Speaker 1: a tribute to his dad, right, yeah, absolutely, yeah, but
Speaker 1: you gotta have you still got to have the gear contract.
Speaker 1: And then I thought it was interesting that when he
Speaker 1: said you first, I first want to get my coordinators
Speaker 1: and then let them have a say in who we
Speaker 1: hire who they hire on their staff. And Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: spoke up for Doug Nussmeyer and they moved him from
Speaker 1: tight ends coach to quarterback coach. And that's the only
Speaker 1: other coach they've kept unless they decided to keep Leon
Speaker 1: Let who he wanted to Leon was actually coaching an
Speaker 1: East West Shrine game, so they going to keep him
Speaker 1: to get back he wanted to talk to him. Oh,
Speaker 1: that'd be great. They talked on Sunday. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: I bet he Well, I'm thinking unless Leon has something better, Um,
Speaker 1: I mean he I think the guys reacted to him
Speaker 1: pretty well. So we'll see where that one goes. And
Speaker 1: the other thing that's happened here in the last week,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett has landed with the New York Janets and
Speaker 1: Colombo interviewing there. That's one thing we forget about when
Speaker 1: it comes to all of his coaching carouselt You know, now,
Speaker 1: he's got a family, right, I mean, do they all
Speaker 1: go with him? They're gonna stay here, kids in school?
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know. No, he's just he and
Speaker 1: his wife. Yeah, she might like it here, well, she
Speaker 1: might but they also probably liked when he was playing
Speaker 1: there and they lived in Manhattan and that was a
Speaker 1: while ago. Dude, well it was too. He's got family
Speaker 1: three and he's got brothers and sisters. I think that still.
Speaker 1: So I guess we just kind of forget about how
Speaker 1: no what when one guy gets fired, twenty guys get
Speaker 1: fired exactly, and every and everybody's moving families. And so
Speaker 1: think about all the coaches that you know that do
Speaker 1: have kids, yes, extended, and it's like lust. Nuss Meyer.
Speaker 1: I was thinking, oh, man, his son was going to
Speaker 1: be a senior. People are flower Mound Marcus Dater fans
Speaker 1: his son, Garrett, who's going to be a senior. And
Speaker 1: he's a topic quarterback, he's stud coming back senior year.
Speaker 1: What are they doing? What are they doing? Are they gonna? No? Here? Here?
Speaker 1: He's here, nuss Meyer staying as a guy, get you know,
Speaker 1: And yes, and John's son is a quarterback at Frisco ready,
Speaker 1: so that that's where they're landing. Yeah. So, but and
Speaker 1: that's what happens. And then in our final a few
Speaker 1: minutes here, um, what happens with Jason Witten. That's a
Speaker 1: good question. I don't have the answer too. I'd love
Speaker 1: for him to stay on only because of the attitude.
Speaker 1: I mean he hired he hired a tight ends coach,
Speaker 1: the guy that was with the Giants, uh Unda Lunda Lunda,
Speaker 1: Munda Wells, Wells. And I don't know that he wants
Speaker 1: to continue. Are you saying staying on as a player
Speaker 1: or I would love him to come on as a
Speaker 1: coach because you know it's already established. You know his
Speaker 1: attitude and how he communicates with the players. You know,
Speaker 1: sometimes behind the scenes we don't realize, you know, a
Speaker 1: guy might be a jerk in the locker room, and
Speaker 1: but the media loves and the coaches love. No. I
Speaker 1: think Jason Witten's he's like by all, I think what
Speaker 1: he said in the locker room people usually agree with
Speaker 1: and I mean people they count right, they usually agree
Speaker 1: with it. He pretty much sets the tone in that
Speaker 1: locker room. What do you make it? The Chris Mortenson Report,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, by the way, we can go
Speaker 1: to noon because there's no show at Okay, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do that more. Chris Mortenson Report on Sunday Morning,
Speaker 1: which said, quoting sources that keep an eye on Jason Witten,
Speaker 1: perhaps joining Jason Garrett with the Giants and sounded like
Speaker 1: it a playing capacity if he decides to play. If
Speaker 1: he decides to play, Yeah, I don't. I don't like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that he's gold in New York
Speaker 1: by himself talking about family's got a little kid. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're pretty entrenched in the community, and I think that's
Speaker 1: why it's more convenient. Well, of course he could just
Speaker 1: sit out and I do, yeah, and be a dad
Speaker 1: for a year, and I think that's but he said
Speaker 1: he did talk to Jason. I might have been phone
Speaker 1: calls or whatever, and he did talk to Sean Lee.
Speaker 1: Um so McCarthy did McCarthy didn't. Yeah, so well you got.
Speaker 1: You gotta think of being a coach is more pressure
Speaker 1: on the family than being a player. That's kind of
Speaker 1: hard to say, because I saw I saw the players
Speaker 1: way more than I saw my family when I played.
Speaker 1: Coaches even worse. Yeah, especially depending on who you're coaching for.
Speaker 1: I mean, when Springs came to UH came to the
Speaker 1: to the Browns as my last year playing, and everyone
Speaker 1: always admired Tom Landry's screen passes, and Ron Springs is
Speaker 1: one of the best screen pass runners because he learned
Speaker 1: from Tom Landry and the best, and Door said as well,
Speaker 1: and so Belichick brought him in to help them construct
Speaker 1: a good screen pass philosophy within his offense. And he said,
Speaker 1: no one would leave the office until Belichick turned off
Speaker 1: the treadmill and turned off his lights. Everybody was just waiting.
Speaker 1: They let nothing in front of them. They're just waiting
Speaker 1: on Belichick to leave. Don't you think Saban is the
Speaker 1: same way. I believe that. I believe that because Saban
Speaker 1: was one of the guys, he was right there with Belichick.
Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere till he goes somewhere because he
Speaker 1: was a DC right for the Browns at the time,
Speaker 1: and the Brons there just as a consultant. So he's
Speaker 1: up here trying to spread discontent. Hey man, let's go.
Speaker 1: You ready to go, Ready to go, Let's go out.
Speaker 1: It's happy hour, like nah. Jason Garrett, Jason Garrett told
Speaker 1: the funny story when he was unsaving staff at Miami.
Speaker 1: So he's the first year quarterback coach at the Dolphins
Speaker 1: with Saban, and it was the year. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he'd finished the year. So it was the year
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman gets into the Hall of Fame, and you know,
Speaker 1: he kind of wanted to go to the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame ceremony and he got invited, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we got practice on Saturday, you know, Friday, I didn't
Speaker 1: have to miss and he goes, He goes, but I
Speaker 1: just felt compelled that I should go since I was
Speaker 1: so close to Troy and all those years. And so
Speaker 1: he finally said, I worked up enough nerve to go
Speaker 1: into Saban's office and say, Coach, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I can do this or not, if it's okay, but
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman is going in the Hall of Fame, and
Speaker 1: you know, I know, we got practice Friday and Saturday
Speaker 1: it's training camp. And Saban looked at him, he goes,
Speaker 1: do you think we can't go through practice without you?
Speaker 1: Why are you coming to me with this? Go yeah,
Speaker 1: why are you asking me these questions? I have other
Speaker 1: stuff on my mind. But that's the same thing. They're
Speaker 1: all the I mean, that's coaching, right. Those guys are
Speaker 1: like that, that's a hard job. Now, the coaches coach
Speaker 1: because you know that's their job. Players don't want to
Speaker 1: put in that much time again to coach. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: it's a difference now because the physical as opposed to
Speaker 1: the mental aspect is totally different. Yeah, but still as
Speaker 1: you get older, I mean, Jason's not that young twenty
Speaker 1: two year old anymore, So there's still a toll on
Speaker 1: you physically and mentally. But when you're talking about playing,
Speaker 1: I think we take it for granted, you know, as players.
Speaker 1: I used to get up so all the time, and
Speaker 1: it didn't it was no big deal. You know, Now
Speaker 1: that I'm older, I get up, So it's a big
Speaker 1: because check your That's the difference between you know, your
Speaker 1: time and your life, and you have to you have
Speaker 1: to make sure that you understand that. Here's the deal
Speaker 1: with Jason Witten. I think he's got the potential to
Speaker 1: be like a Mike Vrabel or he can be a
Speaker 1: head coach, whether it's at the major college level, let's
Speaker 1: say a Tennessee or in the NFL. I was wondering
Speaker 1: if he was considering going back to Well, that guy
Speaker 1: might have saved his job. At the end of the
Speaker 1: they kind of got they and so what do you
Speaker 1: do to get in that position to be an NFL
Speaker 1: head coach? Okay, he's got sixteen seventeen years of experience already,
Speaker 1: which I think counts for something right there. But as
Speaker 1: far as a coaching experience, what does it take for
Speaker 1: him to put himself in that position where he can
Speaker 1: be in position for a head coaching job. I think
Speaker 1: he needs to stay on the professional level if he
Speaker 1: really wants to get back to being a head coach.
Speaker 1: Stay on the professional level. You have to get with
Speaker 1: an organization, you get with a coaching staff. To me,
Speaker 1: it'd be more of a coaching staff where someone can
Speaker 1: show you the best way to be a head coach. Okay,
Speaker 1: Vrabel could have gone anywhere and he learned how to
Speaker 1: be and here's what coach, but he stayed. I would
Speaker 1: imagine first off, after he retired, he was at Ohio
Speaker 1: State linebackers coach for one year and then defensive line
Speaker 1: coach for two years. So he spent three years at
Speaker 1: his alma mater, Ohio State, and then hired by the
Speaker 1: Texans in twenty fourteen is a linebackers coach, two thousand
Speaker 1: and seventeen defensive coordinator, and then Texas next year one
Speaker 1: year is a DC and then to the Tennessee Titans
Speaker 1: as a head coach. If you were to go back
Speaker 1: It's like this, if I'm Vrabel versus Witten. Rabel goes
Speaker 1: back to Ohio State, great program, Witten goes back to Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Big difference could be lost there. Yeah, a big difference. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so when and you know, Vrabel of course played with
Speaker 1: the Pages, so he's with Urban Meyer at Ohio State.
Speaker 1: That's the difference. So now you got Jason Jason Witten,
Speaker 1: who's already a quintessential tight end. So just stay on
Speaker 1: this level. Not saying the college is beneath you, but
Speaker 1: for him, that would be a step back. To me,
Speaker 1: I think he would stay, should stay on this level,
Speaker 1: and it would it would be a value to him
Speaker 1: if he were to on this Cowboys coaching staff, even
Speaker 1: not coaching tight end. It's probably greater value to him
Speaker 1: coaching a different position. Special teams fastest of the games exactly,
Speaker 1: just in the special teams. Learn something else, right, because
Speaker 1: I think that certainly helped Andre grid And I don't
Speaker 1: know what'll happen with him, but you've got a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl center here, but he started working with the defensive lineness.
Speaker 1: Learn another part of the game. Anytime you can make
Speaker 1: yourself more well, round it, right, Yeah, you take that opportunity.
Speaker 1: They don't turn it down. When I played, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm just a cornerback. Only old people go into safety,
Speaker 1: you know, to safety. Where comes Belichick is like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're going to safety. I'm like, man, cool, yeah. And
Speaker 1: it made me a better play and really a better teammate,
Speaker 1: you know. And that that's what I think happens sometimes
Speaker 1: to head coaches when they have an expertise at one
Speaker 1: side of the ball, and then when they go and
Speaker 1: they become a head coach and your expertise is over here,
Speaker 1: you're at the mercy of the guy over here. That's right,
Speaker 1: Like take care, I can't fix the defense, you know.
Speaker 1: And and if you think about Jimmy, it's like he
Speaker 1: could kind of keeping a hand on the defense when
Speaker 1: he first got here. He was at the mercy of
Speaker 1: his offensive coordinator, you know. And until North Turner got here,
Speaker 1: the offense struggle. That's why the staff is so important
Speaker 1: that I'm going back there where about right at all? Right,
Speaker 1: But he knew talent, not just as a player as player,
Speaker 1: he knew talented coaches, right. That's that's the strength that
Speaker 1: you really don't see that in the game these days.
Speaker 1: And he heard that about him in one night before
Speaker 1: an away game, and it was early eighty nine and
Speaker 1: it was probably and he came he came into the
Speaker 1: hospitality room and and somehow it came up and he
Speaker 1: got a cocktail napkin and he's starting guy and grabbing
Speaker 1: offensive plays. I'll show you a coach. Yeah, yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: take that thing about if Mike Shuler was in over
Speaker 1: his head and he couldn't help that side of the
Speaker 1: ball out and so excuse me, coach, and it's it's
Speaker 1: it's no knock on on. You know, coaches have egos.
Speaker 1: Jimmy have the biggest ego. It's not a bad thing
Speaker 1: to not know everything. Everybody's not Tom Landry, you know,
Speaker 1: Tom was. He was a special coaches back man. They
Speaker 1: had to know. He knew it all the position. And
Speaker 1: if you think about it, when he hired Tom was
Speaker 1: a puncher, so he had no specialties as well. When
Speaker 1: he hired North Turner. And it was at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: We were in Tampa. You're familiar with that Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: You happened to be there, right it was he was
Speaker 1: looking he was looking for an offensive coordinator and he
Speaker 1: had already been turned down. Interviews for a couple guys,
Speaker 1: and somebody turned him down. He was thinking of bringing
Speaker 1: Stevens from the University of Miami in here to do it.
Speaker 1: They thought he was going to do it. There was
Speaker 1: a coach at San Diego they couldn't get an interview with,
Speaker 1: like Norv was the third or fourth choice. Right that
Speaker 1: he finally hired, And we were in the middle of
Speaker 1: the week and spending our week chasing Jimmy because we
Speaker 1: needed to know who the offensive coordinator was. Finally we're
Speaker 1: at his hotel in the lobby. He comes down off
Speaker 1: the elevator and he sees us. He goes, luck, I
Speaker 1: am not hiring anybody this week. Do yourself a favor.
Speaker 1: Enjoy the superman that he called off the dogs right,
Speaker 1: because we're all sitting there wait following his every step
Speaker 1: of the way. And then he finally settled on Norv
Speaker 1: and it was a home run. It was like, are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? You just hired the wide receivers coach
Speaker 1: from the Rams? Who Norvil Turner? Who ever heard of
Speaker 1: this guy? Right? We didn't have Google back then, We
Speaker 1: couldn't We couldn't google him do figure out who this
Speaker 1: person was, right, And there was the rest of his history, right,
Speaker 1: all right? The most significant higher on this coaching staff.
Speaker 1: Who is it? Oh boy, I hadn't looked at it
Speaker 1: that way? Is it? The special team's coach John Fossil? Fossil,
Speaker 1: I think that's huge. That was a big struggle. Now,
Speaker 1: I say the D line, but I'm John tom Sula.
Speaker 1: Tom Sula, I think when you say significant, it's only
Speaker 1: gonna be significant if it makes a difference. So let's
Speaker 1: hope it's the most significant pick because that D line.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but that D line is just as complicit
Speaker 1: in our inability to stop the mrun. It's a lineback.
Speaker 1: Look at and look at what the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: have done with their D line. So let me piggyback
Speaker 1: on what I said. So the other side of the ball,
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan, whoever it was, the defensive coordinator. To me,
Speaker 1: that's what needed to be fixed. You can't score thirty
Speaker 1: points a game to win every time. You gotta win
Speaker 1: some twenty four. I did not want to go back
Speaker 1: to twenty sixteen seventeen to with all offense, no D right.
Speaker 1: I just I'm tired of that. I want to go
Speaker 1: back to some type of doomsday I don't care what
Speaker 1: you call it, but we've got to get a more
Speaker 1: staple defensive philosophy. We can't call any boy. Did you
Speaker 1: see the forty letters. They're trademarking it. They're they're putting
Speaker 1: it now. They deserve it. They deserve it, and they
Speaker 1: see the defences. Your quarterback only has to throw what
Speaker 1: eight passes, and you win a game because you can
Speaker 1: rely on your running game. What happened to Tennessee was
Speaker 1: their defense let them down and they had to get
Speaker 1: away from the running game. When you have a good defense,
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be full of superstars, right, you
Speaker 1: could just go get some ballers, man, some hungry players.
Speaker 1: Never heard those guys on Buffalo's defense. I never heard
Speaker 1: of them. I'm sorry, I never heard of San Francisco.
Speaker 1: You know some of the guys because you guys reporters
Speaker 1: and somebody might be from the Texas area. I don't know,
Speaker 1: except for Richard Sherman and a couple of other guys,
Speaker 1: and they're not the ones making all the plays. And
Speaker 1: then they d the second pick in the draft, Bosa,
Speaker 1: and so those are the names. You know. The rest
Speaker 1: of them, they're just ballers, right, Bosa's not carrying them,
Speaker 1: and he alongside of a heck of a defense. It's
Speaker 1: an eye for talent. Who was the safety that was
Speaker 1: all over the place, he was a backup safety. He
Speaker 1: I can't remember forty nine, Yeah it was forty nine seven.
Speaker 1: Once again, Daniel Sorensen, who was the backup one Thorn Hill,
Speaker 1: who a lot of people fuck the Cowboys should have
Speaker 1: drafted instead of Tristan Hill and had a great rookie
Speaker 1: season for Kansas City. He got hurt, so they just
Speaker 1: put their third safety, Daniel Sorenson in there, and he's
Speaker 1: making plays on defense. That timing is everything that has
Speaker 1: at this point turned out to be one of the
Speaker 1: best defense in the league from game from Week eight
Speaker 1: on to the season. So defense and running the football,
Speaker 1: you guys, it's still important. By the way, they got
Speaker 1: a honey Badger over there on that gangs mathis and
Speaker 1: they gotta be happy for him. Yeah, you got Richard
Speaker 1: Sherman on San Francisco's defense and you got and they're
Speaker 1: loving each other till I thought they were kissing on Twitter.
Speaker 1: Makes a big difference. All right, are we bout out
Speaker 1: of time? We're about out of the green notebook, and
Speaker 1: in fact, there it is. You haven't seen this every side.
Speaker 1: I've been looking at all the morning, Big Green NFL
Speaker 1: Draft Scotty notebook. It is. He's like Harris, He's got
Speaker 1: Crepper and I want to know. Look, I've already got
Speaker 1: names in there. He's the guys I'm studying for the
Speaker 1: draft starting today. Did you go back to like twenty
Speaker 1: what fifteen sixteen and you had Raheem Moster in there?
Speaker 1: I did not think about that. Can't end the show
Speaker 1: without I did in twenty fifteen. I did after Neil
Speaker 1: Hunter and he's got over fifty sacks in this league. There, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll talk at you next time. Cowboys. That's right.
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