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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: Screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Friscoot. Now, your hosts Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips,

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Speaker 1: Everson Walls, and Bill Jones. And it's a Tuesday inside

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Speaker 1: the SWBC Mortgage studios here at the Star in Frisco,

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Speaker 1: and time to talk Cowboys. No Rob today. He's out

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Speaker 1: this week, but we hope to have Rob back next week, right,

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Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola, Yes, since I missed last week, we're just rotating.

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Speaker 1: He was missing here where main stage right here? That's

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Speaker 1: I mean, the oldest guys here right now, he's the

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Speaker 1: oldest guy. I thank you. That's right. That's right. Oh wow,

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Speaker 1: so much to talk about we do. We got a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl matchup. I got my super Bowl head on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's the wrong. Yeah, it's like you're last year

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Speaker 1: and you're here. Yep, I'm here, but no one's there yet. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right. There is the off week. Well I can

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Speaker 1: claim he's still going. I'm not going. No, Okay, that's right.

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Speaker 1: That's a different broadcast. That's right, it's a Fox broadcast.

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Speaker 1: It's not CBS. We break out all stops when it's CBS. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So it's Kansas City, the Dallas Texans and uh the

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Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers. Should be a good super

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Speaker 1: Bowl matchup, almost really good matchup. Almost a good anniversary

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Speaker 1: game right from the first one. Yeah, almost so. So,

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Speaker 1: Casey beat both teams in the playoffs that had a

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Speaker 1: little a little something in common, right, Houston Oilers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right, rights and the Titans. That's right, both of

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Speaker 1: them came through Houston. That's right. In fact, in fact,

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Speaker 1: if you really want to go out back in time,

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Speaker 1: we're talking Texas ties on both sides. Yeah right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right. You had this AFC Championship game matchup was

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Speaker 1: a rematch of the nineteen sixty two AFL Championship game,

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Texans winning and double overtime over the Houston Oilers. Wow,

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Speaker 1: and Lamar Hunt subsequently moved the team to Kansas City

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Speaker 1: right after that. Absolutely, that was classy, dude. That is

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it was a it was all the money thing,

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Speaker 1: but they could have stayed here, you know, and fogged out.

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Speaker 1: They could have battled for the market. I guess you

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Speaker 1: might well. And if you look back at the archives

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Speaker 1: from nineteen sixty sixty one sixty two, of course, the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys were an upstart expansion franchise and just getting their legs.

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Speaker 1: And the Texans were more popular at the outside there

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Speaker 1: they were, and more successful too. They still just decided

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Speaker 1: to just move up, pick up the stakes, and move

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Speaker 1: on out. Got a sweetheart deal. He must have to

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Speaker 1: move to Kansas City, if I remember, the mayor of

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Speaker 1: Kansas City and tist them with some financial incentives, and

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Speaker 1: off he went. And he took a lot of great

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Speaker 1: Texas athletes with him too. Yes, yes, Emma Thomas Right

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame was a bishop, Bishop Holletts. I think so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think so. A lot of local guys won that squad,

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Speaker 1: and Texas guys EJ. Hollim. You know it's a Texas

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Speaker 1: guy draft choice of the Cowboys. There you go. They signed, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: big buck, you can Grambling State. There you go. A

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Speaker 1: great how many Hall of Fame Hall of famers on

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Speaker 1: that team when you think about it, Oh, this Taylor right,

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Speaker 1: Flynn Dawson you're talking Emmy Thomas and a great squad Marcellus.

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Speaker 1: I remember Marcellus being in the secondary, a great man,

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Speaker 1: is it Johnny Robinson. Robinson. So that's a great square

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Speaker 1: throwing that in their face that it's been how many

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Speaker 1: the show last Bruce Jenner starring Bruce Jenner, Dude, the

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Speaker 1: leads to the sadness of Drew Pierson and everybody that

421
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: loves him, and it affects everybody. I talk to her, Carmichael,

422
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: he's upset about it, even though he's blessed to get

423
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: in anyone's story that's positive. Then you've got the Drew Pearsons,

424
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 1: you've got the Harvey Martins. You're not along that family.

425
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: Drew and his sorry, Harvey and his mom are gone.

426
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 1: So you know, we gotta think about what that family

427
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: thinks about every every hall of fame. My problem is

428
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: not my problem. My approach is this. Before I got in,

429
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: I never saw hall of fame event. I don't I

430
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: still haven't seen one. I don't care to see one.

431
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: I promised my dad when he died, I'm not until

432
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: i'm in. He used to call me every every every

433
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: hall of Fame. You shut him down pretty good. He

434
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: called me all the time, right, So we had fun

435
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: with it. So that's just our little thing. So everyone

436
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: has the good and you know, sad stories or whatever

437
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 1: you want to call it. But I think it's a

438
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: tragedy that we had to get here because of these

439
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,719
Speaker 1: political uh dynamic, this political dynamic crap that went on

440
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: back then, and really it's still continuing today. No fault

441
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: of Jerry's. That's not my job to make up for that.

442
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: I got the other guys I gotta deal with. We

443
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: gotta do with with now. Ring of Vanna, y'all did

444
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: with Tony Romo, Ring of Varna. Some of these guys

445
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: hadn't even made it to that yet, right even in

446
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: the count you know. And and I got a feeling

447
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: what happened was when they started going through this and

448
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: they looked at the coaches and it was like, Okay,

449
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: Jimmy deserves to be in, so Jimmy. And then they

450
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: looked at the players, and you know, with Cliff, it

451
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: had been so long since he you know it, I

452
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: mean two thousand and four is a long time ago,

453
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: right when he came that close, and it's like, Okay,

454
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: he deserves to be in. And when then when you're voting,

455
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: I guarantee you those guys looked at that list and

456
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: said we three cowboys three three cowboys in And it's

457
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: like Drew took it up the shorts, you know. And

458
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: when you think about what what what Bill said about

459
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: the type of guys that were in the room, to me,

460
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: that that boost Drew's Yes, yes, even even more. I

461
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: just think they couldn't do three, and there was only

462
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: three They got two guys. Keep in mind, on Harold

463
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: Carmichael's resume, it does say Dallas Cowboy on it. Yeah, yeah,

464
00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: right last year. So there are some in that room

465
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: who considered Carold carmike. I just never watching in the

466
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: locker room, I'm going, that's the tallest wide receiver. I

467
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: was like, Man, we weren't with the crap when I

468
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: was there, but boy, we had fun. And the other

469
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: thing with the football guys in the room, and this

470
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: is one thing that Goose told me the other night,

471
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: is they looked at Harold Carmichael as a you know,

472
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: as tall as the six to eight guy, and he

473
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: was the first of those type wide receivers coming into

474
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: the league, and they looked at it and much in

475
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: the same way as like a Bob Hey, Yes, the

476
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: big wide receiver. He was the first of those types.

477
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: And then and then also, and this really got lost

478
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: was the fact that Clint Murkison, I don't even think

479
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: they discussed it, didn't think about it. If not for Clint,

480
00:28:48,600 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: we're not sitting here here. This is who knows. Yeah. Yeah,

481
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: So I mean, how how does that happen, But I

482
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, I understand, and you know, no one knows

483
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: who happened. Because to do things right, we're been doing

484
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: the outside of sports, we've been doing that politics, we've

485
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: been doing it socially. Everything that went to crap centuries ago,

486
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: now we gotta make up foot But I guarantee the

487
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: people in that room didn't know. I mean some are

488
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: all might I mean not, some are all. Um Goose

489
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: probably knows who he was, right, I don't know who else.

490
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: Madden probably knows, but no one knows Clint and and

491
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: you know, and yeah, because he was he was in

492
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: the background. He wasn't a guy that was out front.

493
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: What did you get like two years maybe before he

494
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: passed away, Yes, when he sold the team and passed away.

495
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: So he wasn't an outfront guy. He let techs run

496
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: the show. He let Tom and Gil run the show.

497
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: But if it's not for you, that's right. That's the

498
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: way it used to be. Right. This is my I'm

499
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: a rich man and this is my toy. I love

500
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: being around these guys, right, and the toy has become

501
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: your staple. Yeah, Now it's a business, that's right, And

502
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: so that that's the unfortunate thing that no one even

503
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: discusses the fact that he didn't get in. And at

504
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: some point the guy that started the Dallas Cowboys should

505
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: be in the with the GM many yeah, the coach

506
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: and Scott Yeah, except for the guy that started the

507
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: hired everybody. Yeah, all right. And the good news for

508
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: Drew Pearson, Goose believes that he's going to get in

509
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: probably this coming year. Yeah, thanks, okay, Yeah, But I

510
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: love I love that when when when the guy doesn't

511
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: get in that you think should get in, and you

512
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: go and talk to guys and it's like, oh, yeah,

513
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: I don't know understand how he didn't get in, and

514
00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: it's like a right job. I had some transparency about Remember,

515
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, because there's one thing I

516
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: like about and Goose has been a part of what

517
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: I believe. You know, this this process, it needs to

518
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: be transparent, it really. They do in baseball, right, they

519
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: reveal there's too much bs going on, you know, of

520
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: course as politics and everything. Even if the media was

521
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: taken out of it and the players were the first

522
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: line defense to vote for Hall of Fame, that's still

523
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: be a lot of politics involved. Let's just be real

524
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: about that. But I just like the fact that the

525
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: veil has been lifted and we can see just what

526
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: the process is so I can know who the point

527
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: the finger hadn't blame, and a veil has been lifted

528
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: on this new Cowboys coaching staff. So when we come back,

529
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: we will tell you who you can point out and

530
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,080
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558
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Speaker 1: as far as the eye can see. The phrase two

559
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: going to be true comes to mind. Yet there it

560
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: is a rich, delicious doctor Pepper paradise. Wait, did did

561
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: that can of doctor Pepper just open itself for you?

562
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: They all are as if to say so nice to

563
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: treat you. And even though it feels weird to talk to.

564
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Speaker 1: We can you pick one up and say, it's so

565
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566
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: Back to talking cowboys. Okay, Mickey doesn't have his material

567
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: for a Jack Black read fun zillers to pass along,

568
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: and there's a Jack Black warehouse of some sort in combat.

569
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: I can tell you that munch because we were driving

570
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: to a party the other night and my wife said, look,

571
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: there's a Jack Black building right there. So there you go,

572
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: Well maybe we should drive over there and introduce ourselves.

573
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Speaker 1: We do products. There you go, well they saw you

574
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Speaker 1: if they saw your beard this morning, which, by the way,

575
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: I started using that razor. It is really good. I

576
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: don't know when was the last time you used it.

577
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: You hadn't been It's been a while. Friday, I think,

578
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: I think Friday, because I had to do a TV appearance.

579
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: All right, all right on Thursday. You had an opportunity,

580
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: along with other scribes to visit with the head coach,

581
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. How did that go? It went? I thought awfully? Well, um,

582
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: and there was kind of two parts to it. We

583
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: were on the record, We were able to record thing.

584
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: There was no video allowed. Uh no, texting during the session.

585
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: I think we were in there for thirty five minutes

586
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: with him, maybe a break with him. He did a

587
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: five minute segment with me up for the Cowboys huddle.

588
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: First things first, Yeah, and then he came back and

589
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: it was just off the record, just kind of shooting

590
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: so tell us all the record stuff. That's what him

591
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 1: not supposed to Bill. But but he was very he

592
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: was very engaging, and he you know, he had stories

593
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: and um, you know, and now let's see if this

594
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 1: takes continues when there's things on the line, right, And

595
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: I've heard that like when he gets into press conferences

596
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: during the season, that he doesn't give away anything. Most

597
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: coaches don't, right, And that's what everybody wanted to always

598
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: criticize Jason for. And he's he's he was. I remember,

599
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: especially when he and Rogers were going at it, he

600
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: was very short at his press crisis. You could just

601
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: see that he was fed up with all of this mess.

602
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: But he was pretty expansive with us talking. You know,

603
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: he really answered all the questions and there was really

604
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: no question that he said, you know, I don't I

605
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: don't want to answer that. The only thing he kind

606
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: of hedged his bet On was what sort of defense

607
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: they would play. You know, you're gonna play at three

608
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: to four, you're gonna play a four to three, And

609
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: he kind of went back and forth, and then he

610
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: finally said, look, we're gonna have a four man line,

611
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: and so to take it for what's but they're they're

612
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: in a sub package. Yeah, and that's eighty five percent

613
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: of the time. He said, we're in a sub package,

614
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: so you're a four man line. So but but I

615
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: thought it was it was instructive that that that basically

616
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: said I'm not picking players to fit my scheme. I'm

617
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: picking the best players available. I'm picking Dallas Cowboy players,

618
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: and then we'll adjust what we do to the talent

619
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 1: we have. And that's on offense, defense, whatever, and special

620
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: teams whatever. So I thought that was that was good. Uh.

621
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: The other thing that impressed me was the fact in

622
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: one week's time he put a staff together, so he

623
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: knew going in what he wanted to do. You don't

624
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: just get the job and go mm okay, let me

625
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: go out there. He already had a plan that I

626
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: want Mike Nolan to do this, you know, I want

627
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: Jim tom Sula. Is that all you say to do this,

628
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: and so he had this in his and he wanted

629
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore. And he pointed out when out of his

630
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: way to point out that when he was interviewing for

631
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: other jobs, he had his eye on Kellen Moore to

632
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: bring him along as his offensive coordinator. Really, so he

633
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: thought that much of him, of what he did in

634
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: his personal connection and none other than keeping an eye

635
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: on him. From Afar, I spent the last year studying

636
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: the Cowboys offense. Probably what's happened this last year. And

637
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: he was like, if I had gone to Carolina or

638
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: the Giants wherever else he had interviewed, he was like,

639
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: I was if they didn't keep him here, I was

640
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: coming after him. That says, and who's calling plays? And

641
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: then he pointed out, and he's going to call the

642
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: play says a lot, right, It really did. And he said,

643
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: he said, now I'll be involved in the structure. And

644
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: he and he kind of said that's what he got

645
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: away from in Green Bay when he didn't call plays.

646
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: He wasn't involved in the structure of the offense, the

647
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: game plan in the offense. Uh, And he thought that

648
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: was a mistake. Yeah, I agree, so so, but this

649
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: is his expertise. This is why he lasted that long

650
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: as a head coach. Uh. And he pointed out that, yeah,

651
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let him call plays. So that was that

652
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: was very I'd say, he'll let him call plays, but

653
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: he'll have him Yeah, he'll have a card and will right. Yeah.

654
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: But anyway, the fact that he had all these guys

655
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: and a lot of them he had relationships with that

656
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: he hired, which is good. And I learned that lesson

657
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: back when the Cowboys in eighty nine, when Jimmy came

658
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: for better or for worse, he brought all his guys

659
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: from Miami with him. I think there was like eight guys, yes, right, yes,

660
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: And he said, I made the mistake when I took

661
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: the job at Miami and he didn't get the job

662
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: to the first week in June when Nellenberger left to go,

663
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: it was going to be a USFL team. I believe

664
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: that never happened in Miami. And so all he got

665
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: to do was bring Butch Davis with him, one guy

666
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: from his Oklahoma state staff, and he said, I there

667
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: was no loyalty. The majority of the guys that were

668
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: left there from Snellenberger staff all wanted the job and

669
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: they didn't get it, so they were somewhat jealous, and

670
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: he goes, it was the worst year in coaching I

671
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: ever had, and he said, so I said to myself,

672
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: when I ever get another chance, I'm bringing my guys

673
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: with me. So it wasn't like he hired guys off

674
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: the Green Bay staff, but guys that he had coached

675
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 1: with or at least been with. He coached for Mike

676
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: Nolan in San Francisco. He was the offensive coordinator or

677
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: quarterback or one for one year when Nolan was the

678
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: head coach at I remember that if you recall, Mike

679
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: Nolan was very theatrical on the sidelines because he went

680
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: throwback right sideline and that was very controversial. Yeah, it

681
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: was he had to get permission to do it. I

682
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: think I think to get permission first, Yeah, And they

683
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 1: were not happy about it, yes, And then he came

684
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: back and tried to get permission. I don't think they

685
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: were happy about it the second time. And it was

686
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: a tribute to his dad, right, yeah, absolutely, yeah, but

687
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: you gotta have you still got to have the gear contract.

688
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: And then I thought it was interesting that when he

689
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: said you first, I first want to get my coordinators

690
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: and then let them have a say in who we

691
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: hire who they hire on their staff. And Kellen Moore

692
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: spoke up for Doug Nussmeyer and they moved him from

693
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: tight ends coach to quarterback coach. And that's the only

694
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,479
Speaker 1: other coach they've kept unless they decided to keep Leon

695
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: Let who he wanted to Leon was actually coaching an

696
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: East West Shrine game, so they going to keep him

697
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: to get back he wanted to talk to him. Oh,

698
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: that'd be great. They talked on Sunday. Yeah, yeah, and

699
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: I bet he Well, I'm thinking unless Leon has something better, Um,

700
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: I mean he I think the guys reacted to him

701
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: pretty well. So we'll see where that one goes. And

702
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: the other thing that's happened here in the last week,

703
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett has landed with the New York Janets and

704
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: Colombo interviewing there. That's one thing we forget about when

705
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: it comes to all of his coaching carouselt You know, now,

706
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: he's got a family, right, I mean, do they all

707
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: go with him? They're gonna stay here, kids in school?

708
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know. No, he's just he and

709
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: his wife. Yeah, she might like it here, well, she

710
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: might but they also probably liked when he was playing

711
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: there and they lived in Manhattan and that was a

712
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: while ago. Dude, well it was too. He's got family

713
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: three and he's got brothers and sisters. I think that still.

714
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: So I guess we just kind of forget about how

715
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: no what when one guy gets fired, twenty guys get

716
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: fired exactly, and every and everybody's moving families. And so

717
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: think about all the coaches that you know that do

718
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: have kids, yes, extended, and it's like lust. Nuss Meyer.

719
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: I was thinking, oh, man, his son was going to

720
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: be a senior. People are flower Mound Marcus Dater fans

721
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: his son, Garrett, who's going to be a senior. And

722
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: he's a topic quarterback, he's stud coming back senior year.

723
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: What are they doing? What are they doing? Are they gonna? No? Here? Here?

724
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: He's here, nuss Meyer staying as a guy, get you know,

725
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: And yes, and John's son is a quarterback at Frisco ready,

726
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: so that that's where they're landing. Yeah. So, but and

727
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: that's what happens. And then in our final a few

728
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: minutes here, um, what happens with Jason Witten. That's a

729
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: good question. I don't have the answer too. I'd love

730
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: for him to stay on only because of the attitude.

731
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: I mean he hired he hired a tight ends coach,

732
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 1: the guy that was with the Giants, uh Unda Lunda Lunda,

733
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: Munda Wells, Wells. And I don't know that he wants

734
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 1: to continue. Are you saying staying on as a player

735
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: or I would love him to come on as a

736
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: coach because you know it's already established. You know his

737
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: attitude and how he communicates with the players. You know,

738
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: sometimes behind the scenes we don't realize, you know, a

739
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: guy might be a jerk in the locker room, and

740
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: but the media loves and the coaches love. No. I

741
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: think Jason Witten's he's like by all, I think what

742
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: he said in the locker room people usually agree with

743
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: and I mean people they count right, they usually agree

744
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: with it. He pretty much sets the tone in that

745
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: locker room. What do you make it? The Chris Mortenson Report,

746
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, by the way, we can go

747
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: to noon because there's no show at Okay, Yeah, yeah,

748
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: let's do that more. Chris Mortenson Report on Sunday Morning,

749
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: which said, quoting sources that keep an eye on Jason Witten,

750
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: perhaps joining Jason Garrett with the Giants and sounded like

751
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: it a playing capacity if he decides to play. If

752
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: he decides to play, Yeah, I don't. I don't like that.

753
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that he's gold in New York

754
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: by himself talking about family's got a little kid. I mean,

755
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: they're pretty entrenched in the community, and I think that's

756
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: why it's more convenient. Well, of course he could just

757
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: sit out and I do, yeah, and be a dad

758
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: for a year, and I think that's but he said

759
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: he did talk to Jason. I might have been phone

760
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: calls or whatever, and he did talk to Sean Lee.

761
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: Um so McCarthy did McCarthy didn't. Yeah, so well you got.

762
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: You gotta think of being a coach is more pressure

763
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: on the family than being a player. That's kind of

764
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 1: hard to say, because I saw I saw the players

765
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: way more than I saw my family when I played.

766
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: Coaches even worse. Yeah, especially depending on who you're coaching for.

767
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: I mean, when Springs came to UH came to the

768
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: to the Browns as my last year playing, and everyone

769
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: always admired Tom Landry's screen passes, and Ron Springs is

770
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: one of the best screen pass runners because he learned

771
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: from Tom Landry and the best, and Door said as well,

772
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: and so Belichick brought him in to help them construct

773
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: a good screen pass philosophy within his offense. And he said,

774
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: no one would leave the office until Belichick turned off

775
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: the treadmill and turned off his lights. Everybody was just waiting.

776
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: They let nothing in front of them. They're just waiting

777
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: on Belichick to leave. Don't you think Saban is the

778
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 1: same way. I believe that. I believe that because Saban

779
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: was one of the guys, he was right there with Belichick.

780
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere till he goes somewhere because he

781
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: was a DC right for the Browns at the time,

782
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: and the Brons there just as a consultant. So he's

783
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: up here trying to spread discontent. Hey man, let's go.

784
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: You ready to go, Ready to go, Let's go out.

785
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: It's happy hour, like nah. Jason Garrett, Jason Garrett told

786
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: the funny story when he was unsaving staff at Miami.

787
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: So he's the first year quarterback coach at the Dolphins

788
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: with Saban, and it was the year. I don't know

789
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: if he'd finished the year. So it was the year

790
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman gets into the Hall of Fame, and you know,

791
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: he kind of wanted to go to the Hall of

792
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: Fame ceremony and he got invited, and he's like, oh,

793
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: we got practice on Saturday, you know, Friday, I didn't

794
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 1: have to miss and he goes, He goes, but I

795
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: just felt compelled that I should go since I was

796
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: so close to Troy and all those years. And so

797
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: he finally said, I worked up enough nerve to go

798
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: into Saban's office and say, Coach, I don't know if

799
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: I can do this or not, if it's okay, but

800
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman is going in the Hall of Fame, and

801
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: you know, I know, we got practice Friday and Saturday

802
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: it's training camp. And Saban looked at him, he goes,

803
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: do you think we can't go through practice without you?

804
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: Why are you coming to me with this? Go yeah,

805
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: why are you asking me these questions? I have other

806
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 1: stuff on my mind. But that's the same thing. They're

807
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: all the I mean, that's coaching, right. Those guys are

808
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,919
Speaker 1: like that, that's a hard job. Now, the coaches coach

809
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: because you know that's their job. Players don't want to

810
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: put in that much time again to coach. Yeah, well,

811
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: it's a difference now because the physical as opposed to

812
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: the mental aspect is totally different. Yeah, but still as

813
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 1: you get older, I mean, Jason's not that young twenty

814
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: two year old anymore, So there's still a toll on

815
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: you physically and mentally. But when you're talking about playing,

816
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: I think we take it for granted, you know, as players.

817
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: I used to get up so all the time, and

818
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: it didn't it was no big deal. You know, Now

819
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: that I'm older, I get up, So it's a big

820
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: because check your That's the difference between you know, your

821
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: time and your life, and you have to you have

822
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: to make sure that you understand that. Here's the deal

823
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: with Jason Witten. I think he's got the potential to

824
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: be like a Mike Vrabel or he can be a

825
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: head coach, whether it's at the major college level, let's

826
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: say a Tennessee or in the NFL. I was wondering

827
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: if he was considering going back to Well, that guy

828
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: might have saved his job. At the end of the

829
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: they kind of got they and so what do you

830
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: do to get in that position to be an NFL

831
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: head coach? Okay, he's got sixteen seventeen years of experience already,

832
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: which I think counts for something right there. But as

833
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: far as a coaching experience, what does it take for

834
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: him to put himself in that position where he can

835
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: be in position for a head coaching job. I think

836
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: he needs to stay on the professional level if he

837
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: really wants to get back to being a head coach.

838
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: Stay on the professional level. You have to get with

839
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: an organization, you get with a coaching staff. To me,

840
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: it'd be more of a coaching staff where someone can

841
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: show you the best way to be a head coach. Okay,

842
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: Vrabel could have gone anywhere and he learned how to

843
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: be and here's what coach, but he stayed. I would

844
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: imagine first off, after he retired, he was at Ohio

845
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: State linebackers coach for one year and then defensive line

846
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: coach for two years. So he spent three years at

847
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: his alma mater, Ohio State, and then hired by the

848
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: Texans in twenty fourteen is a linebackers coach, two thousand

849
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: and seventeen defensive coordinator, and then Texas next year one

850
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: year is a DC and then to the Tennessee Titans

851
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: as a head coach. If you were to go back

852
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: It's like this, if I'm Vrabel versus Witten. Rabel goes

853
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: back to Ohio State, great program, Witten goes back to Tennessee.

854
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: Big difference could be lost there. Yeah, a big difference. Yeah,

855
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: so when and you know, Vrabel of course played with

856
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: the Pages, so he's with Urban Meyer at Ohio State.

857
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: That's the difference. So now you got Jason Jason Witten,

858
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: who's already a quintessential tight end. So just stay on

859
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: this level. Not saying the college is beneath you, but

860
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: for him, that would be a step back. To me,

861
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 1: I think he would stay, should stay on this level,

862
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: and it would it would be a value to him

863
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 1: if he were to on this Cowboys coaching staff, even

864
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: not coaching tight end. It's probably greater value to him

865
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: coaching a different position. Special teams fastest of the games exactly,

866
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: just in the special teams. Learn something else, right, because

867
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: I think that certainly helped Andre grid And I don't

868
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: know what'll happen with him, but you've got a Pro

869
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: Bowl center here, but he started working with the defensive lineness.

870
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: Learn another part of the game. Anytime you can make

871
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: yourself more well, round it, right, Yeah, you take that opportunity.

872
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: They don't turn it down. When I played, I was like, oh,

873
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: I'm just a cornerback. Only old people go into safety,

874
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, to safety. Where comes Belichick is like, hey,

875
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: you're going to safety. I'm like, man, cool, yeah. And

876
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: it made me a better play and really a better teammate,

877
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: you know. And that that's what I think happens sometimes

878
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: to head coaches when they have an expertise at one

879
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: side of the ball, and then when they go and

880
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: they become a head coach and your expertise is over here,

881
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: you're at the mercy of the guy over here. That's right,

882
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: Like take care, I can't fix the defense, you know.

883
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: And and if you think about Jimmy, it's like he

884
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: could kind of keeping a hand on the defense when

885
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: he first got here. He was at the mercy of

886
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 1: his offensive coordinator, you know. And until North Turner got here,

887
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: the offense struggle. That's why the staff is so important

888
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: that I'm going back there where about right at all? Right,

889
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: But he knew talent, not just as a player as player,

890
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: he knew talented coaches, right. That's that's the strength that

891
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: you really don't see that in the game these days.

892
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: And he heard that about him in one night before

893
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: an away game, and it was early eighty nine and

894
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: it was probably and he came he came into the

895
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: hospitality room and and somehow it came up and he

896
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 1: got a cocktail napkin and he's starting guy and grabbing

897
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: offensive plays. I'll show you a coach. Yeah, yeah, we'll

898
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: take that thing about if Mike Shuler was in over

899
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: his head and he couldn't help that side of the

900
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: ball out and so excuse me, coach, and it's it's

901
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: it's no knock on on. You know, coaches have egos.

902
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: Jimmy have the biggest ego. It's not a bad thing

903
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: to not know everything. Everybody's not Tom Landry, you know,

904
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: Tom was. He was a special coaches back man. They

905
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: had to know. He knew it all the position. And

906
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: if you think about it, when he hired Tom was

907
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: a puncher, so he had no specialties as well. When

908
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: he hired North Turner. And it was at the Super Bowl.

909
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: We were in Tampa. You're familiar with that Super Bowl.

910
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: You happened to be there, right it was he was

911
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: looking he was looking for an offensive coordinator and he

912
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: had already been turned down. Interviews for a couple guys,

913
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: and somebody turned him down. He was thinking of bringing

914
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: Stevens from the University of Miami in here to do it.

915
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: They thought he was going to do it. There was

916
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: a coach at San Diego they couldn't get an interview with,

917
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: like Norv was the third or fourth choice. Right that

918
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: he finally hired, And we were in the middle of

919
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: the week and spending our week chasing Jimmy because we

920
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: needed to know who the offensive coordinator was. Finally we're

921
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: at his hotel in the lobby. He comes down off

922
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: the elevator and he sees us. He goes, luck, I

923
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 1: am not hiring anybody this week. Do yourself a favor.

924
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: Enjoy the superman that he called off the dogs right,

925
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: because we're all sitting there wait following his every step

926
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 1: of the way. And then he finally settled on Norv

927
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: and it was a home run. It was like, are

928
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: you kidding me? You just hired the wide receivers coach

929
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: from the Rams? Who Norvil Turner? Who ever heard of

930
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: this guy? Right? We didn't have Google back then, We

931
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: couldn't We couldn't google him do figure out who this

932
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: person was, right, And there was the rest of his history, right,

933
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 1: all right? The most significant higher on this coaching staff.

934
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: Who is it? Oh boy, I hadn't looked at it

935
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: that way? Is it? The special team's coach John Fossil? Fossil,

936
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: I think that's huge. That was a big struggle. Now,

937
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: I say the D line, but I'm John tom Sula.

938
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: Tom Sula, I think when you say significant, it's only

939
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: gonna be significant if it makes a difference. So let's

940
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: hope it's the most significant pick because that D line.

941
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but that D line is just as complicit

942
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: in our inability to stop the mrun. It's a lineback.

943
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: Look at and look at what the forty nine ers

944
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: have done with their D line. So let me piggyback

945
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: on what I said. So the other side of the ball,

946
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan, whoever it was, the defensive coordinator. To me,

947
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: that's what needed to be fixed. You can't score thirty

948
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: points a game to win every time. You gotta win

949
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: some twenty four. I did not want to go back

950
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: to twenty sixteen seventeen to with all offense, no D right.

951
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: I just I'm tired of that. I want to go

952
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 1: back to some type of doomsday I don't care what

953
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: you call it, but we've got to get a more

954
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: staple defensive philosophy. We can't call any boy. Did you

955
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: see the forty letters. They're trademarking it. They're they're putting

956
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: it now. They deserve it. They deserve it, and they

957
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: see the defences. Your quarterback only has to throw what

958
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: eight passes, and you win a game because you can

959
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: rely on your running game. What happened to Tennessee was

960
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: their defense let them down and they had to get

961
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: away from the running game. When you have a good defense,

962
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be full of superstars, right, you

963
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,240
Speaker 1: could just go get some ballers, man, some hungry players.

964
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: Never heard those guys on Buffalo's defense. I never heard

965
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: of them. I'm sorry, I never heard of San Francisco.

966
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: You know some of the guys because you guys reporters

967
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: and somebody might be from the Texas area. I don't know,

968
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: except for Richard Sherman and a couple of other guys,

969
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: and they're not the ones making all the plays. And

970
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,720
Speaker 1: then they d the second pick in the draft, Bosa,

971
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: and so those are the names. You know. The rest

972
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: of them, they're just ballers, right, Bosa's not carrying them,

973
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: and he alongside of a heck of a defense. It's

974
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 1: an eye for talent. Who was the safety that was

975
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: all over the place, he was a backup safety. He

976
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: I can't remember forty nine, Yeah it was forty nine seven.

977
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: Once again, Daniel Sorensen, who was the backup one Thorn Hill,

978
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: who a lot of people fuck the Cowboys should have

979
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 1: drafted instead of Tristan Hill and had a great rookie

980
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: season for Kansas City. He got hurt, so they just

981
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: put their third safety, Daniel Sorenson in there, and he's

982
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 1: making plays on defense. That timing is everything that has

983
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: at this point turned out to be one of the

984
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: best defense in the league from game from Week eight

985
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: on to the season. So defense and running the football,

986
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: you guys, it's still important. By the way, they got

987
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: a honey Badger over there on that gangs mathis and

988
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: they gotta be happy for him. Yeah, you got Richard

989
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 1: Sherman on San Francisco's defense and you got and they're

990
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: loving each other till I thought they were kissing on Twitter.

991
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: Makes a big difference. All right, are we bout out

992
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: of time? We're about out of the green notebook, and

993
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: in fact, there it is. You haven't seen this every side.

994
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: I've been looking at all the morning, Big Green NFL

995
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: Draft Scotty notebook. It is. He's like Harris, He's got

996
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: Crepper and I want to know. Look, I've already got

997
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: names in there. He's the guys I'm studying for the

998
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: draft starting today. Did you go back to like twenty

999
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: what fifteen sixteen and you had Raheem Moster in there?

1000
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: I did not think about that. Can't end the show

1001
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: without I did in twenty fifteen. I did after Neil

1002
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: Hunter and he's got over fifty sacks in this league. There, okay, okay,

1003
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: all right, we'll talk at you next time. Cowboys. That's right.

1004
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1005
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