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Speaker 1: Stone's Touring Party is a production of iHeartRadio Welcome to

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Speaker 1: New York City. It's July twenty sixth, in nineteen seventy two.

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Speaker 1: This is it the last show the Rolling Stones North

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Speaker 1: American Tour. Mick Jaggers also turning twenty nine today, and God,

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Speaker 1: in his infinite wisdom has arranged an eclipse of the

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Speaker 1: moon as a light show. As promoter Bill Graham would say,

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Speaker 1: new York is New York is New York Till you

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Speaker 1: do it there, it hasn't happened. The city's been waiting

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Speaker 1: for months in Madison Square gardens, now under a state

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Speaker 1: of siege. They've come from all over, from Nutley to Paramus,

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Speaker 1: from white Lake to Swan Lake, from white Stone to Rockaway,

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Speaker 1: over the Thronc's Neck Bridge, and through the Midtown Tunnel

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Speaker 1: by subway and bus. The crowds walking, pushing and shoving

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Speaker 1: in the streets. The blocks between thirty first and thirty

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Speaker 1: fourth Street and between seventh and eighth Avenue have been

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Speaker 1: transformed into a bustling marketplace with buyers and sellers hackling

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Speaker 1: ticket ticket, Who wants a ticket? Seventy five? Hey man,

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Speaker 1: it was fifty a minute ago. Check around seventy five.

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Speaker 1: I'll make the price. You gotta pay what it costs.

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Speaker 1: A blue Pontiac with jersey plates rounds the corner, inching

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Speaker 1: his way through the crowd of t shirt vendors and

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Speaker 1: souvenir peddlers. One hundred and fifty for a pair of tickets,

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Speaker 1: The driver calls, but next time he comes around the block,

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Speaker 1: it's two hundred dollars for a pair of tickets. Two hundred,

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Speaker 1: two hundred dollars. Inside stage, manager Chipmunk is beside himself

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Speaker 1: with excitement. This is the night he's been waiting for

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Speaker 1: since the tour began two months earlier. The airant genius

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Speaker 1: behind the innovative stage and lighting rig plus some of

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Speaker 1: the most innovative telroom demolitions in rock history. He can't

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Speaker 1: wait to put his twisted mind to the ultimate test.

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Speaker 1: Chip is supervised the Monterey Pop Festival, George Harrison's concert

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Speaker 1: for Bangladesh, and Woodstock. They're all nothing compared to this.

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Speaker 1: This is the night that it will all peak. On

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Speaker 1: stage at Madison Square Garden, total chaos must reign. His

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Speaker 1: plan has gone through several incarnations. First he wanted to

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Speaker 1: rent an elephant. Then he looked into releasing chickens from

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Speaker 1: the rafters high above the crowd, confetti, rose petals. All

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Speaker 1: of this pales to the scheme he's about to unleash

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Speaker 1: on the Rolling Stones and their unsuspecting public. Shockingly, the

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Speaker 1: tour's resident hell raiser, Keith Richards, has nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with this. He's been keeping to himself. He hides out

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Speaker 1: in his room, brought down and depressed. The energy he's

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Speaker 1: been husbiting to get himself through the tour is gone.

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Speaker 1: He's making it to the show, and then he crashes

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Speaker 1: for twelve or fourteen hours, spending most of his time asleep.

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Speaker 1: New York was so awful, one tour insider says, after

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Speaker 1: all that time, all of a sudden, you were by yourself.

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Speaker 1: You were nothing. That description comes courtesy of Robert Greenfield,

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Speaker 1: the legendary rock journalist chronicled the band's US trek and

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Speaker 1: his landmark book stp A Journey through America with the

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Speaker 1: Rolling Stones. He was there in southern France when the

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Speaker 1: band recorded Exile on Main Street, the album the tour

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Speaker 1: sought to promote. He was there during rehearsals in Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: and he was there for opening night in Vancouver when

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Speaker 1: hordes of angry kids tried to invade the venue, and

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Speaker 1: he was also there during the final night in New

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Speaker 1: York City. As the bonds that kept the Motley Crew

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Speaker 1: together began to evaporate, everyone went their separate ways after that,

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Speaker 1: forced to make sense of the life changing experience they

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Speaker 1: just shared all on their own. In addition to Greenfield

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Speaker 1: and has never before heard tape archive of the Stones

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Speaker 1: in their seventies exile, Eric Glory will also be joined

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Speaker 1: by Gary Stromberg, a rock pr soprimo who's represented a

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Speaker 1: whole jukebox of the twentieth century's greatest artists. My name

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Speaker 1: is Jordan Runtugg and this is the Stones Touring Party.

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Speaker 1: The last week in July is the most desperate time

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Speaker 1: of the year in New York City. As Robert Greenfield

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Speaker 1: indebibly put it in stp It's a low point when

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Speaker 1: the summer seems to stretch away like a great expanse

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Speaker 1: of burning desert waste. The cool days of September are

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Speaker 1: light years away, and a sort of mad dog spirit

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Speaker 1: is everywhere. The great buildings drip sweat from blinding air conditioners,

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Speaker 1: the asphalt, and most people seek a hole to die.

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Speaker 2: In I want to say now for the record that

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Speaker 2: New York, in the heat of the summer in nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventy two was the Ninth Circle of Hell. I grew

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Speaker 2: I have never seen anything like this, just one short

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Speaker 2: iconic scene. We stayed in the worst hotel in the

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Speaker 2: history of show business, the Statler Hilton. The room was

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Speaker 2: the I mean, that's how small the rooms were. It

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Speaker 2: my way to the Garden for the first show, I

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Speaker 2: saw two cabbys, one behind another. Two taxi drivers come

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Speaker 2: both driver doors flew open. The cabbys jumped out, They

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Speaker 1: The insanity is intensified by the craze clamor for tickets.

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Speaker 1: New York's been waiting for months and supply and demand

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Speaker 1: that's done its thing. Whatever the price was, now New

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Speaker 1: York would pay it. A lucky few could try their

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Speaker 1: luck with a phone call. The New York imperative governs

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Speaker 1: everything like incessant children. Their strident voices demand attention right now.

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Speaker 1: I need tickets. I gotta have press passes. Do you

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Speaker 1: understand this is essential, a matter of highest priority. Robbie

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Speaker 1: Robertson of the band needs four tickets and Columbia and

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Speaker 1: Paramount called earlier. Today the phones are ringing all the time,

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Speaker 1: and demand is escalated into screaming hysterics. Listen, you bastard,

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Speaker 1: You know who I am. Those without friends in high

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Speaker 1: places try their best on the ground, and those who

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Speaker 1: strike out there are forced to get creative. Some showed

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Speaker 1: up at the stage door with fake st badges. Others

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Speaker 1: posed as camera crews. These folks got the boot immediately rookies.

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Speaker 1: But one group got a little more daring.

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Speaker 2: God loved New York. You couldn't touch a ticket. It

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Speaker 2: was sold out. There were guys who presented themselves in

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Speaker 2: full gear as New York City firefighters who had to

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Speaker 2: come backstage in order to inspect. You know, the fire

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Speaker 2: extinguishers rush through them out. They weren't real fire guys.

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Speaker 2: If they were wearing those coats, it was blazing summer.

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Speaker 2: They had the gear they must cost it. Where did

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Speaker 2: you get the unis trying to talk their way back?

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Speaker 2: I mean it's New York Man.

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Speaker 1: Garden security was equally over the top, some would say

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Speaker 1: alarmingly so. Members of the STP managerial squad tangle with

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Speaker 1: with over zealous fans, one blackjacks Ki opening his head

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Speaker 1: by a spray of blood, leading to an all out battle.

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Speaker 1: Royale backstage guards were so tight they forced Stevie Wonder

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Speaker 1: the Stones opening Act to use the front entrance on

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Speaker 1: thirty fourth Street rather than be driven directly into the

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Speaker 1: backstage through a passageway, despite the fact that he's you

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Speaker 1: know blind. Even the Stones themselves weren't immune. While being

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Speaker 1: shuttled to the venue in a camper van before one

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Speaker 1: one reason to stay of vigilant. Another was the fact

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Speaker 1: that they were back in Hell's Angels territory. The Motorcycle

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Speaker 1: Gang had promised revenge after taking the fall for the

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Speaker 1: deadly the Outcome at the Stones nineteen sixty nine concert

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Speaker 1: at the Altamont Speedway. If they were going to make

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Speaker 2: They were so nervous about New York because the Hell's

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Speaker 2: Angels clubhouse was on Second Street down by the film Wore,

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Speaker 2: and they were pretty vibrant New York. They had a

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Speaker 2: real chapter there, and they were serious. They certainly didn't

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Speaker 2: get into the garden wearing their collars.

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Speaker 1: Tour manager Peter Rudge is vowed to keep the band

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Speaker 1: and their crews safe on this two month tour. So far,

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Speaker 1: he's been true to his word, but bomb and assassination

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Speaker 1: threats have amplified in recent days, so he's forced to

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Speaker 1: take additional precautions, like the Royal family flying on separate

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Speaker 1: put in different hotels. The code names they've been using

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Speaker 1: thus far on the trip are changed to Wrongfoot the Wrongdoers.

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Speaker 1: Keith Richards becomes Count Zigginpuss Bill Wyman and his girlfriend

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Speaker 1: Astrid become Lord and Lady getting Mick Jagger and his

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Speaker 1: wife Bianka are mister and Missus Shelley. The Shelleys are

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Speaker 1: booked into the suite where Richard Nixon usually stays when

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Speaker 1: being used to screen all arriving packages and birthday gifts

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Speaker 1: from Mick. As sax player Bobby Keys told Robert Greenfield

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Speaker 3: And then we then we got New York to go,

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Speaker 3: where it's it's really turning into sort of Cloak and

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Speaker 3: No one's staying in the Saint the groups. Well, I

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Speaker 3: mean it was Peter's Security Club security thing, because I mean,

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Speaker 3: like we've made it through practically the whole tour was

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Speaker 1: Bassist Bill Wyman was told not to order any room

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Speaker 4: I did pay attention to that. Everybody's saying any the food,

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Speaker 4: you know, And I said to the promoter, have you

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Speaker 4: It's all right. But this kind of a half joke

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Speaker 1: Even the usually placid Nick Taylor was getting annoyed with it.

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Speaker 5: All security arrangers in New York were so rigorous, you know,

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Speaker 4: Saw was the inside of my hotel room. And he

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Speaker 5: I told I couldn't even go out shopping, and that

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Speaker 2: And put the poison in my curry.

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Speaker 5: You know, really this is absolutely serious, you know, I

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Speaker 5: mean when you're told things like that, but what can

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Speaker 1: Personally?

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Speaker 5: I find all those security of it it's very restricting,

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Speaker 5: and I think they make you much more paranoid than

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Speaker 5: what you really.

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Speaker 2: Have reason to be. Someone else are insulted, you know,

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Speaker 2: because they're making you a chuse.

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Speaker 5: They are, and of course they are, but I mean

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Speaker 5: I ignored them anyway.

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Speaker 1: Every other time I've been to New York.

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Speaker 5: I've just gone out the same as anybody else would've

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Speaker 5: gone about my business.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what I did for the Stones themselves. The

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Speaker 1: revelry was kept to a minimum. The Inner Circle has

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Speaker 1: been scattered across Manhattan, and although some people check out

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Speaker 1: it's not the same as being loose and looking for

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Speaker 1: craziness on the road. Keith himself seems lost. There are

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Speaker 1: Aside from the show, he's mostly alone. At long last,

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Speaker 8: There was nothing like the finelle.

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Speaker 8: It was his birthday, so it was a big celebration.

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Speaker 8: And the pie fight afterwards.

432
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: Was we didn't talk about the pie fight.

433
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 8: Pie fight was great.

434
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 2: Ship didn't get his chicken, didn't get his chicken.

435
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 8: Where he got the pie?

436
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: Where did the pies come? That?

437
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 8: I don't know.

438
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: Chip is not given up on operation on stage outrage.

439
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: After being denied roof access, he toyed with ways to

440
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: create chaos on the ground. An early scheme involved tossing

441
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: as many able nitrate capsules as he could find along

442
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: the front of the stage and then running them over

443
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,479
Speaker 1: with a steamroller. With a little luck, he get the

444
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: band and the first few rows high, but this wouldn't

445
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: consume quite enough people, so he switched to something a

446
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: little more down and dirty, a pie fight. It's old fashioned, yes,

447
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: and someone even say crude, But on the other hand,

448
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,479
Speaker 1: it's a classic. Chip obtains one hundred and fifty four pies,

449
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: which he leaves around the backstage area in advance of showtime.

450
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: When the garden authorities discover this, they freak out remove

451
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: them immediately off the stage. Chip off. Shame on you,

452
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: you naughty boy. Chip pleads his case before giving up,

453
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: angry and crestfallen. He's playing his part perfectly. The pies

454
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: that are confiscated are the ones the garden officials are

455
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: supposed to find. Chip as a whole other load and

456
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: then boxes behind the amps. It's on. He rounds up

457
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 1: his crew just before showtime to instruct them on proper

458
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: pie throwing form. Okay, you're paired off. Each pair is

459
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: assigned an artist. The first person approaches the artist and

460
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: whoop woop, got it. The face is out of bounds,

461
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: with the head, neck, and chest of permissible targets. Only

462
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: Chipmunk would have an elaborate procedure for throwing a pie.

463
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: In fact, He's so preoccupied with his tutorial that he

464
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: very nearly misses the opportunity to make his trademark introduction

465
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: one final time.

466
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: Ladies and Gentlemen, the lolling to start.

467
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: Right from the start, Mick is leading it. Keith shouts,

468
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 1: come on, let's get it. As Bobby Keys jumps up

469
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: and down on the side of the stage, the decibel

470
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: count rises six above the pain level he's according to

471
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: the New York Times report. The following day, the pure

472
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: white light bathes the band for the final time as

473
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: they finish up Street Fighting Man. Then they walk off

474
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: with the garden shaking like a building in flames after

475
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: a direct buzz bomb hit. An encore with Stevie Wonder

476
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: dueting on a raucous medley of uptight and satisfaction takes

477
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: everything to a whole new level. Backstage, the crew are

478
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: drinking their farewell case of Don Perion. Tour manager Peter

479
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: Rudge steers the garden heavies into a dressing room for

480
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: a victory drink. As soon as they're out of the way,

481
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: Chipmunk gets down the business. There have been memos within

482
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: the SDP community as late as this afternoon to suggest

483
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: that there'd be no pie throwing on stage tonight. What

484
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: would the threats on Mixed life and all but Chip

485
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: will have as fun. It starts innocently at first, he

486
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: wheels a tray with a birthday cake and champagne onto

487
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: the stage. Make's wife Biaka, comes forward and give Make

488
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: a birthday kiss. Then the crowd of twenty thousand begins

489
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: to sing Happy Birthday. It's all going according to plan.

490
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: Then walk Chip hits him with a pie. The boxes

491
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: come open backstage and all hell breaks loose. Jagger gets

492
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: one on the arm and then throws one at drummer

493
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: Charlie Watts, who ducks. Soon the stage is covered with

494
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: a quarter inch of cream. It's everywhere, oozing and sticking.

495
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: Charlie sits behind the drum kit, somehow unscathed. Then a

496
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: roadie so covered with pie that he looks like Frosty

497
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: the Snowman plants one large pie on either side of

498
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: Charlie's head. They hang there for a second like pastry

499
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: ear muffs, then slowly slide off, leaving great mouths of

500
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: fluffy white behind. Charlie takes it in stride, but Keith

501
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: Richards is not amused breaking the rule has never bothered him,

502
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: but something about this messy sophomorec act bothers him. He

503
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: said as much the Robert Greenfield back in nineteen seventy two.

504
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: Here he is courtesy of the Northwestern University Archives.

505
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 4: I mean the pies. I didn't dig the idea of

506
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 4: the piates at all.

507
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 7: I mean, I thought it was very inconsiderate, you know,

508
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 7: especially to people in Steve's Bend that got their instruments covered.

509
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 4: In banana cream.

510
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: You know.

511
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 4: I mean, there's no joke to have to clean a

512
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 4: saxophone that's been covered in banana cream. You know, it

513
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 4: really is a tucking drag. And I don't think anybody

514
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 4: who was really considerate enough.

515
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: Of that, you know, you're American phone.

516
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did because of that attitude, and nobody was great,

517
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 4: you know, No, I tried to make it obvious.

518
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 7: When I saw what was going on, I knew that

519
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 7: I didn't really approve of it, you know, and I

520
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 7: thought that the musicians were very extremely good nature to

521
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 7: put up with it.

522
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: You know. The madness continues into the backstage corridors. A

523
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: pie smeared, hysterical Gary Stromberg busts in the celebrity field

524
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: dressing room. Fires went across the room, but his target

525
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: ducks and he winds up hitting Jackie O's sister, the

526
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: Princess Lee Raswill, and also Andy warhol meringue and cream

527
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: streaking his beard and hair. Gary's now sightless, his glasses

528
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: having been broken and lost somewhere. He's also barefoot, his

529
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: boots having become so filled with pie slot that they

530
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: were unwearable. Smelling like a bakery, He runs outside and

531
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: hails a cab back to his hotel. Then the driver

532
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: turns around and gets a good look at him. Ah, right,

533
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: the driver says, calmly, get the hell out. The official

534
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: STP after party at the Saint Regis Hotel wasn't the

535
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: kind of shin dig where you could show up covered

536
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: in cream pie residue, which, to be honest, was the

537
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: first sign that this wasn't the right kind of party

538
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: for the Rolling Stones. It was organized by Ahmat Erdigan,

539
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: the legend music kingmaker, founder of Atlantic Records, and overseer

540
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: of the Stones label. He was the man who helped

541
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: popularize some of the biggest R and B names of

542
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: all time. Ray Charles, the Coasters, Otis Redding, Wilson Pickett, Aretha,

543
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: take your pick. He also threw the Stones a rip

544
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: and party when he visited the tour in New Orleans,

545
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: hosting authentic Delta blues men for the band's immense pleasure.

546
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: But now he was back on his home turf in

547
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: New York, where he moved in a different sort of

548
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: social circle, namely high society high rollers and jet setting

549
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: beautiful people. These folks had little to do with the Stones.

550
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: This was the kind of do where music freaks felt

551
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: compelled to put on a tie. It was both the

552
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: most fitting and least fitting end to the first tour

553
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: of the modern rock era, an event that went a

554
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: long way towards bringing the counterculture into the mainstream.

555
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: Puts on the party to celebrate Mixed twenty ninth birthday,

556
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: starlight roof of the Saint Regis Hotel. Can I read

557
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: the guest list? I have to, because there's no other

558
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: way to reconstruct this. So here's the guest list. Right.

559
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: No one knows who Jaja Gobor is anymore, which is great.

560
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: She was an early version of Kim Kardashian with her

561
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: sister Ava, all right, So she had a picture taken

562
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 2: with Bob Dylan and she said Doling Kevin, you're hot,

563
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: You're hot. She also had an accent anyway. So here's

564
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 2: here's Ahmed and Mika Erdigan. Here's their guest list. Lord

565
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 2: Heskeith of Easton Naston Castle, Isabelle and Freddie eberstart making

566
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: their first New York appearance in years. Gianni Bolgari, the

567
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: famous jeweler. I believe Andrea de Portigo with nothing on

568
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: underneath her white satin pants and open to the waist

569
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: satin jacket. Oscar and Francois de la Reenta, theat fashion designer.

570
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: Great friends of the Irdigans, Garazzie La Lobo. We all

571
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: know her. Count Vega del Renn, Missus Walter, Maria Salas,

572
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 2: c z and Winston Guests, socialites Katine Millinaire, fashion Nista,

573
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: Lady Slim Keith, Nita Gerini, Maldini, Clyde and Maggie Neudehouse Newhouse, Sorry,

574
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: Clyde and Maggie Newhouse, and many many others. As a

575
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: gossip columnist named Susie said, quote, We're too straight to

576
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 2: mention Woody Allen, Carly Simon, Sylvia, Miles, Dick Cavitt, Andy Warhol,

577
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 2: Peter Beard, Truman, Capodi Candy Darling, one of Warhol's superstars.

578
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: Pat asked another of them, Huntington Hartford, of the A

579
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: and P fortune. Guys don't know what A and P is.

580
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 2: It was a supermarket. He had a museum named after him,

581
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: Huntington Hartford. It's out here, George Plimpton, Tennessee. Williams, Oh

582
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: my god, if I could say this now, like I

583
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: didn't know that this combination of people, which was an

584
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 2: armored special because he knew everybody on every level of society,

585
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: the high low, in the middle. It was the coronation,

586
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: and then of course a topless woman dropped out, jumped

587
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 2: out of the cake that they gave Mick becase it

588
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: was a fake cake, obviously, and the party went on.

589
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 1: The Stones were overwhelmed by the crush of people, few

590
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: of whom they'd ever met before. For Mick Taylor, it

591
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: didn't make a lot of sense.

592
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 5: There were so many interesting people at that party, and

593
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 5: I never got a chance to talk.

594
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: To any or expect anybody else. Judging or work.

595
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 5: You probably know more about it than I do, because

596
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 5: I'm not American, and that kind of thing happens in

597
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 5: New York quite frequently. Doesn't know I've never well USLI Society,

598
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 5: but no New York High.

599
00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 4: So I suppose we must.

600
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: Be respect.

601
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 2: I mean it was kind of sad. That's what I

602
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 2: want to say. I want to know you have to

603
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: have a memory of this.

604
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 8: A vague memory of this.

605
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: What you're saying now is bringing because all these people

606
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with the Titter, and they would

607
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: have gone to any gig that had invited them to.

608
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: But that was the beginning of who the Stones are now.

609
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 8: And the Stones were certainly unimpressed by all of this.

610
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: Oh they could have cared less, man, I mean, Chris

611
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: O'Dell was sitting with Mick and Bianca. I mean it

612
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: was still if they knew you, they knew you. If

613
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 2: they don't know you, man, it doesn't matter who you are.

614
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: No, the only folks who turn the Stones on were

615
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: the evening's entertainment big band icon, Count Basie and Muddy Waters.

616
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: Muddy was enough to make them cry. After all, it

617
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: was his song Rolling Stone Blues that provided a name

618
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,479
Speaker 1: for these five Englishmen being honored tonight ten long years ago.

619
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: Count Bassie's orchestra was a little further from the Stones'

620
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: musical sensibilities, but according to Keith Richards, frequent tor Co

621
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: conspirator Bobby Keys. He fit right in with the rock

622
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: and roll lifestyle.

623
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 3: I stayed there quite a bit of ties, snorted up

624
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: at least a half a house coke with all the

625
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: Bassi's band, did you Yeah, I went. I went backstage

626
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 3: behind the set on base was there and the sky

627
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 3: that was laying all the coke ons, and I think,

628
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 3: pure pharmacistic, but really good. I went back and started

629
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 3: out with just a drummer before I know everybody in

630
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 3: the band, and Bill Bassie has the biggest nose of all.

631
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 3: And it was so beautiful, man, anything I felt. I mean,

632
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: sitting there listening to Count Basie playing for a party

633
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 3: in honor of the groups that you're playing with, it

634
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 3: makes you feel sort of funny that way, you know,

635
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 3: because I mean to me, there is really a legend.

636
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: The musicians have hit it off. But overall it was

637
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: a funny crowd, a few of whom actually stopped to

638
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: listen to the likes of Muddy Waters or Basy. By

639
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: and large, they were not music people. One Society columnist

640
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: described the scene as a clockwork orange meets the Manson family.

641
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: That's a rather unflattering depiction of both sides, but even

642
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: Bobby Keys agreed that the vibes were definitely off that night.

643
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 3: I appreciate the trouble and all that shit that all

644
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 3: it went to for mixed birthday party, but it would

645
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 3: have been so much nicer to have had a party

646
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: for the people that really worked their ass off on

647
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 3: that tour man to show them some appreciation instead of

648
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 3: catering to the in crowd finger popping, lip syncing society. Really,

649
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 3: you know, because I mean, what the hell, they were

650
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 3: just there just to say they were there at Nick

651
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 3: Jagger's birthday party. And there were a lot of people

652
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 3: on that tour man that worked their ass off man

653
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: day and night, and they should have been given a

654
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 3: little bit more consideration. Like there are people on that

655
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 3: tour that I didn't that I don't even know to

656
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 3: this day, their names, people I never even saw sure

657
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 3: that I would like to have personally met and express

658
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: my gratitude now for you know, the work they did

659
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: that helped make it a lot easier on all of

660
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 3: us and everyone. But instead, man, there was just you know,

661
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: Andy Warhol and Dick Cabot and all the people that

662
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: didn't really have a fucking thing to do with the tour.

663
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 3: You know, they were all okay, so they could have

664
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: that party. But I thought we should have had another party.

665
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 3: And I know Keith felt the same way.

666
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: Man Robert Greenfield had a chance to verify this with Keith.

667
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 6: I thought it was the wrong kind of party, you know,

668
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 6: as it was, you know, right, it's a you know,

669
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 6: a typical New York society bash for a rock and

670
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 6: roll then, I guess for the Rolling Stones, it's got

671
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 6: to be expected. But I wish that another one was

672
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 6: just people been on the tours to say goodbye to

673
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 6: each other with dignancy instead of.

674
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 4: An amazing collection of people. However, I don't think you

675
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 4: see about doing and Joshica Ball and.

676
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 3: The same tison to speak to dying and.

677
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 4: Briefly in sixty six.

678
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I spoke to him quite well.

679
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 4: I quite her in conversation.

680
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: Was Yeah, Bob Dylan is somehow neglected to get a

681
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: mention as a party guest so far. A New York

682
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: Times reporter asks him what he thinks of the gathering.

683
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: In a straw hat, flannel shirt and dark shades, the

684
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 1: poet prophet of the sixties smiles and says, it's encompassing.

685
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: It's the beginning of cosmic consciousness. He's more right than

686
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: even he knows. It was precisely that a coming together

687
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: of people from all levels, with no mixing or interaction

688
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: at all. A thousand separate parties are going on at

689
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: the same time. Everyone's there to see and be seen

690
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: and honor of their own egos. This party is not

691
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: for the Rolling Stones, nor the black musicians they love.

692
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: It's not for the people who wait hours in the

693
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: street to see them, or the crew who work tirelessly

694
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: in the shadows to make it all happen. It's a

695
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: party for people who go to parties, for whom the

696
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: world of music is nothing but an amusing, temporary, and

697
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: bizarre source a pleasant conversation. For the SCP crew, there's

698
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: nothing to do but get high and drink as much

699
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: as possible. One regular is so pissed off by the

700
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: whole thing that he cuts eight phones into shreds, marking

701
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: a tour record. Who are all these people, he wonders,

702
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: and what do they have to do with rock and roll?

703
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: Why is our assistant electricians sitting next to Jajac Gabor

704
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: As Robert Greenfield rites, This isn't a rock and roll party,

705
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: it's ten thousand dollars a plate campaign dinner.

706
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 2: I was expressing some kind of dismay at the party

707
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: that ended the tour, like we have been here, we

708
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: have suffered, we have had joy. Who are all these people?

709
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 2: That's yeah, Gary understands what I mean, Like Coos and Nostra,

710
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: this was our thing. Who are all these strangers with

711
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: money who are now in our house?

712
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 8: You know, let's throw a pie at him?

713
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: At five am on a hot July morning in New

714
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: York City and in something that crowd waits in the

715
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: street outside the Saint Reaches. They're looking for a glimpse,

716
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: a glance, or a touch, maybe Mick, maybe Keith, maybe Bill,

717
00:43:54,640 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: maybe Charlie or Mick Taylor. Michael Jagger was now twenty nine.

718
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: The next day, the newspapers would carry accounts of his

719
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: birthday party, and people who weren't there would ask those

720
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: who were was it good, what happened? What was it like?

721
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: But what they always left out was the way it

722
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: felt desperate and futile, with people going around in circles

723
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 1: and getting nowhere except more confused. It was empty and directionless,

724
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: like a circus with no center ring. And above all,

725
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 1: it's very very sad, like a wake where the mask

726
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: of false gayety hides the real grief. It felt like

727
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 1: something had died. All that remain now was find someone

728
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 1: who could identify the corpse. Three days after the tour ended,

729
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: stand the Man More, the Stone's chief of security, was

730
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: back in San Francisco, waking up at six point thirty

731
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: in the morning in order to get to his government

732
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: job by six. On the road, this is when he'd

733
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: be going to sleep, but before long he was solidly

734
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: back in the rhythm of his quiet suburban life. When

735
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 1: he talked about the tour, he had to get out

736
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: the pictures of himself with Truman, Capodi and Lee Raziwill

737
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: in order to confirm that it had all really happened.

738
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: He handled the dstpification process better than most, so did

739
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: the tour's extraordinarily indulgent physician, known for our purposes as

740
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: Doctor l. He was soon back on his regular rounds,

741
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: where he refrained from speaking about what he saw and

742
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 1: did on the road, which is probably for the best.

743
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: He began to scheme about establishing some sort of practice

744
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: that was exclusively for rock and rollers, now there's a thought.

745
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: For some the tour didn't end. Bobby Keys flew directly

746
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: to London, and the next morning he was acting in

747
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: a movie featuring Ringo Starr. He began working sessions and

748
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: then flew to Detroit to go on the Joe Cocker

749
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: tour with Jim Price. On the other hand, for SDP

750
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: Tax squad member Joe Bergman, this was the end of

751
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: the line, after spending five years of her life with

752
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: the band. She walked out of the dressing room in

753
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: New York City in tears, only able to mutter, it's

754
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: been terribly strange. There was relief on the part of

755
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone's records chief Marshall Chess, specifically that they'd made

756
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 1: it through without getting murdered. When the last show was over,

757
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: Marshall walked to the East River and tossed the handgun

758
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: he cared for protection. The end of tours are sad.

759
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: Picture the last day of an especially magical summer camp

760
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: and magnify it by a thousand, and you still won't

761
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: even come close. There were folks for whom it was

762
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: the experience of a lifetime, and then it was over,

763
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: just like that. Those steeped in the rock biz had

764
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: people to talk to and share the experience with afterwards,

765
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 1: but for many they had no one, and they found

766
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: reintegration into everyday life lonely and confusing.

767
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 8: One of the things that I most remember about a

768
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 8: tour is when it ends and all of a sudden,

769
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 8: the shock of you don't have anywhere to go tomorrow morning,

770
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 8: or you wake up in the morning there's nobody there,

771
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 8: you know, to collect your luggage or do any of

772
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 8: that stuff. It stops. It just comes to a stop,

773
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 8: and that's shocking on your system. You're just not used

774
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 8: to it. We're eight weeks now, we're doing this every day,

775
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 8: getting up in the morning, you know, moving this show along,

776
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 8: trying to shake off the hangover from the night before,

777
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 8: you know, looking at your card on the desk, on

778
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 8: the bedside to see where where you are, see where

779
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 8: you are. You don't know where you are every city,

780
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 8: and it's a different city every day. You don't know

781
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 8: where you are, and then all of a sudden you

782
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 8: wake up and it's over. It's a shock.

783
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: So it was a combination of not being on the

784
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 2: road with the most amazing, interesting people that you'd ever met,

785
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: and every day is fun and they're going to play again,

786
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: You're going to be on stage watching them. You get

787
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: into the routine on such a level that you're addicted

788
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: to the routine as well as everything and the excitement

789
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: and the power and the glory.

790
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: This wasn't the only form addiction could take. Habits picked

791
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: up on the road accompanied many into their everyday life,

792
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 1: where they were less tolerated. For some, it was purely

793
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: a practical matter. It was tough for STP vets to

794
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: get back into the time schedule that the rest of

795
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: the world calls normal. They needed something to get them

796
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: up and then something to send them off at night,

797
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: a nightmarish push pool of pills that wrought havoc on

798
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: one's physiology and psychology. For others, the drugs were self medication,

799
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: a synthetic version of the rush. They fell while on

800
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: tour with the biggest band in the world. Isolated, disoriented,

801
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: and depressed, many retreated into substances for relief. The reasons

802
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: were varied, but according to Gary Stromberg, drug abuse and

803
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: addiction was an unexpected and all too common outcome of

804
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: the STP tour.

805
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 8: Physically, it was there was a real price to pay

806
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 8: for it, which I mean I was not even remotely

807
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 8: aware of when I started, because it did. Like I said,

808
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 8: I lost a lot of weight. Psychically, I was in

809
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 8: bad shape, and I literally did get kidnapped at the

810
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 8: end of the tour from friends in New York who

811
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 8: tricked me into going on a boat to Fire Island,

812
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 8: on which they a and went ashore and left me there.

813
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 8: I was there for three days to detox, and they

814
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 8: had food on the boat, and it was a sailboat,

815
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 8: and I was just there to take care of myself,

816
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 8: and so it took me longer than three days to

817
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 8: recover from that physically. Emotionally, I was drained. It was exhausting.

818
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 8: It was really exhausting, And because you were in the

819
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 8: middle of it and never sensed it until it was over,

820
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 8: like I said, that drop off it when it was

821
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 8: over was really severe emotionally.

822
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 1: Within a week, he was back in his office answering

823
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: phones and planning publicity for the t Rex tour, secure

824
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: in the knowledge that he had engineered the rock pr

825
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: job of the year, if not the decade. He was

826
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: thinner than he'd ever been, and he coughed a lot.

827
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: Someone asked his business partner if he'd noticed the change

828
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 1: in Gary after the STP tour. Yeah, came the reply,

829
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: he doesn't laugh as much anymore. Even Keith Richards struggled

830
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: to acclimate to his decidedly more quiet life as a

831
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: tax exile in Switzerland. He also had the legal mess

832
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: of his drug problems in the French Riviera to iron out.

833
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,439
Speaker 1: By the end of the year, official warrants were out

834
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: for Keith's arrest, though little came of it. He would

835
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: be busted the following June at his home in London's

836
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: Chelsea neighborhood. The real world was certainly less kind than

837
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: the cocoon of road life.

838
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 4: Very strange thanks to.

839
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 7: Circle Client, especially to Switzerland, orderly and respect to.

840
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 4: This shop. A long time to come out, So yeah,

841
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 4: they just stop sleeping.

842
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 2: I know what we're having by the end.

843
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 7: Or yeah, now in New York I started, guys are

844
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 7: really long sleeps.

845
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 4: After the last show Super fourteinos go up for eight

846
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,479
Speaker 4: hours and then cut ups again.

847
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 7: I mean it was tough because it was the longest

848
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 7: one I've ever done, you know, but it didn't affect

849
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 7: me any or noticeably anybody else in the band. It

850
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 7: seems that everybody knows how much energy they have to

851
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 7: kiss to keep themselves going, and everybody's got an amazing stamina.

852
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: Life went on for all concerned, or at least most,

853
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: but there was a distinct sense that a transformation was occurring.

854
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: The record breaking sales figures of the Stones nineteen seventy

855
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: two tour hipped many to the fact that rock and

856
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: roll was now serious business in every sense. The open

857
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: hearted aura that had characterized the music community in the

858
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: sixties had begun, the calcify and the something harder.

859
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 2: So Chipmunk, who we cannot quote enough in my mind,

860
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 2: Chipmunk said to me at some point that here's when

861
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 2: he knew the sixties were over. He was sitting at

862
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: a big dinner table and he laid out the plate

863
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 2: to plate the cocaine man, you know, chopped it up

864
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 2: and he rolled up one hundred dollar bill, as one

865
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: did in the day, and he sent the plate around,

866
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 2: and the plate went around the table. When he came back,

867
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 2: all the cocaine was gone, and it was a one

868
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 2: dollar bill. It speaks volumes.

869
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 1: There would be more rock tours, for sure, many staged

870
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: by The Stones themselves and their English rock brethren, But

871
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: as far as Robert Greenfield and Gary Stromberg are concerned

872
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: there would never be another track like it.

873
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 8: There couldn't be. No, no, there's always going to be

874
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 8: a first and this you can't recreate the first.

875
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: The reason this can't be replicated, if I could say

876
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 2: and just it's so back to context. This is the

877
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 2: next step up for the business of rock and roll

878
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 2: on tour, and that can't be You can't replicate the

879
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 2: first time. First time they take a place, they take

880
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 2: a country by storm and it's all positive.

881
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: Fortunately, the historic outing was preserved by legendary avant garde

882
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: filmmaker Robert Frank. Unfortunately, the resulting documentary, which for reasons

883
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: of decorum will temporarily rechristen Rock Sucker Blues, is almost

884
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: impossible to track down for viewing. It featured some less

885
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: than savory moments, including a woman shooting smack, Keith nodding off,

886
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: and mickding lines. Viewers were also treated to Keith and

887
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: Bobby keys shot putting a television out a hotel window

888
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: so and also a deeply unsettling scene depicting an orgy

889
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: on the Stones private jet. Most of this was done

890
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: at the behest of the director, whose film was decidedly

891
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: darker than most people's memories of the tour.

892
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 2: It's certainly worth seeing. Much of it is not true.

893
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 2: I mean true, it happened, it was staged, okay, and

894
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 2: point of reference here for no reason, Mick and Bobby

895
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 2: Keys did not throw a television set out of the

896
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 2: riot house as other people have said. It was in Denver, correct,

897
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 2: before they were drinking tequila sunrises at eleven am in

898
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 2: the morning. Robert asked them to do this. Now, he's

899
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 2: an artist. He was making a movie about his artistic

900
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 2: vision of what Keith nodding out is real. That's real.

901
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 2: But the group he's on the plane, this was all staged.

902
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 8: What I would object to was that he had this

903
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 8: vision of what this thing should be, and he filmed

904
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 8: it to fit that vision, as opposed to just experiencing

905
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 8: or witnessing what was going on.

906
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: And he wasn't interested in the onstage performances.

907
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 8: No, not at all.

908
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: It's not a music dogs, Yeah, don't go for the music.

909
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: Robert Frank, whose most famous work up to this point

910
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: had been gritty, black and white photos depicting income inequality

911
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 1: in the United States, was well aware that his film

912
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: cut a little close to the bone. While talking to

913
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: Robert Greenfield back in nineteen seventy two, he shared his

914
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 1: doubts that Mick Jagger, one of the most image conscious

915
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: musicians of his generation, would want this out there. Here

916
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: he is courtesy of our friends at the Northwestern University Archives.

917
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

918
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 9: Well, the question would be whether they will accept it.

919
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 9: I mean, I'll put it together of.

920
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 6: This engine, and that is their problem.

921
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 2: They have a lot of legal problems.

922
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 9: I mean, how would you feel being filmed? Well, just

923
00:56:55,640 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 9: let's take the lowest thing, like sniffing coke? How would

924
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 9: you appel? And who I was me and who I

925
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 9: am now?

926
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 2: A fab ruby I'll say.

927
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 9: Well, I wouldn't care, but they will be me that

928
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 9: I might have said ten years ago. Now I finally

929
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 9: totally unimportant. It doesn't matter, And I think Jagger will

930
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 9: be I think he will think that way. He will say, well,

931
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 9: I can't use the film now, but I'll use it

932
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 9: in five years from there.

933
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: It would take make a lot more than five years

934
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: to accept Frank's incriminating cinema verite depiction of the STP Tour.

935
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: The gratuitous on screen substance abuse was not exactly helpful

936
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: given the looming drug convictions in southern France. Further legal

937
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: hassles would jeopardize their ability to travel to the United States,

938
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: which is where the Stones made their real money. No good.

939
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: Simply put, they didn't need this. They were fully aware

940
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 1: of the outcry that had greeted their nineteen sixty nine

941
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: tour documentary Give Me Alter, which captured the murder of

942
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: a fan while the Stones performed at the Ultamont Speedway.

943
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: The band ultimately filed an injunction against Frank, which allowed

944
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: him to show his film only four times a year

945
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: and only with Frank himself present, thus kneecapping any chance

946
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: at a wide release or commercial success.

947
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so what's the point of this. Jagger invited

948
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 2: one of the great photographers of the twentieth century, a

949
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: guy who had made a movie called Me and My

950
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 2: Brother that's considered groundbreaking, and he allowed him complete access

951
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 2: and then it could only be shown with Jaggers permit

952
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 2: could be shown once a year. Yes, that's great, and

953
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 2: how long it was buried the genius of mic Jagger.

954
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 2: I bring in a great artist, I give him access

955
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 2: and then you can't see it.

956
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 8: And it created a huge demand for it. That's huge.

957
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: That said Greenfield would discover that there was not a

958
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: demand for a written account of the SDP tour, at

959
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: least not at first.

960
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 2: The title of the book for me always was STP.

961
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 2: Folk callen a journey through America with the Rolling Stones

962
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 2: when I wrote the book, and I will advertisements for myself,

963
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 2: first full length book ever written about a rock tour.

964
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 2: You know, they weren't publishing books about rock and roll,

965
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 2: and even in nineteen seventy two, seventy three, Rolling Stone

966
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 2: was where you read about rock and roll, Crawdaddy Cream.

967
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 2: It was again rock and rolls for those you know, kid,

968
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 2: they don't buy books. I couldn't get a deal from

969
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 2: Straight Hour Press, Rolling Stone Magazine's publishing house. I pitched

970
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 2: the guy, Hey man, I'm going on this too. I

971
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 2: always wanted to write books. I could do a book.

972
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 2: I remember his name. I'm not going to mention now,

973
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 2: not really interested.

974
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: Greenfield's persistence paid off, and STP was published in nineteen

975
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: seventy four. He continues to be a touchstone for rock

976
00:59:54,720 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: fans and journalists across the generations. For Greenfield, or set

977
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: him on a course he's maintained to this day.

978
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't suffer physically like Gary did. But

979
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 2: if I look at it now, it enabled me to

980
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 2: start my adult life because I was able to move

981
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 2: somewhere and write a book, and you know, write a

982
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: chapter a week, and that's what I'd always wanted to do.

983
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 2: Got to write about Ahmet and Jerry Wexler and Jerry Garcia.

984
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 2: So I kept doing some journalism, but ever since then,

985
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 2: I've basically been able to write books, which is all

986
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: I ever wanted to do. And I couldn't have done

987
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 2: that without the Rolling Stones, you know. So I am

988
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: so grateful, you know that I was allowed access to

989
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 2: be on that tour.

990
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 8: In Bob's book and stp that. My favorite picture of

991
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 8: me is the picture of me with pile over my

992
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 8: face marriage and I'm like this, I'm looking just in

993
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 8: my all of my.

994
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 2: Glory Darry Stromberg in Excelsius. Oh yes, yes, he's got

995
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: to towel his hair and so he's covered in whipped cream,

996
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 2: whipped cream and pie.

997
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 8: And my big, my most my fun memories for my

998
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 8: when my children first looked at that and then looked

999
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 8: at me like you're my father, because they've only known

1000
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 8: me as a dad, you know, not I'm sober. I

1001
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 8: was never a drug addict. When they were born, I

1002
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 8: was already sober. So they've never seen me in in Excelsius.

1003
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 8: They've only seen me as a semi normal, you know,

1004
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 8: human being, So it's hard to them to fathom. But

1005
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 8: when they saw that picture of me, they my daughter,

1006
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 8: I can remember just staking are looking? Or I was

1007
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 8: just like, are you my dad?

1008
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: Gary's happiness at home was hard won. The early intervention

1009
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: from his friends, who sequestered him on a boat to

1010
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: dry out, didn't have the desired effect. By Gary's own admission,

1011
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: he went from one hundred percent messed up to thirty

1012
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: percent messed up, or words to that effect. That figure

1013
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: would steadily rise throughout the decade, as it would for

1014
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: many stp vets.

1015
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 8: My drug addiction just was overwhelming at one point and

1016
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 8: it just and it did me in. I mean, I

1017
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 8: lost my whole business because of my drug addiction. There

1018
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 8: was a movie called Dancing as Fast as I Can.

1019
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 8: That's really what I was doing in this business. That's

1020
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 8: what the business was largely like. It was dancing as

1021
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 8: fast as I could. And then because of the drug addiction,

1022
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 8: you just run out of gas. I couldn't do it anymore,

1023
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,439
Speaker 8: and then all kinds of problems. You know, I wasn't

1024
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 8: paying attention to my money. I wasn't paying attention to

1025
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 8: the employees that worked for us and the company. I

1026
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 8: blew the company up. My partner and I blew our

1027
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 8: company up. You know, we lost a thriving business because

1028
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 8: we were really dancing as fast as we could, not

1029
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 8: paying attention. It took about a year for me to

1030
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 8: lose a house, you know, all of the trappings of success.

1031
01:02:58,280 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 8: It took about a year for it all to turn

1032
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 8: to shit. There's no other way to describe it. My

1033
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 8: life turned to shit. I danced for a long time.

1034
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 2: How long have you been sober?

1035
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 8: I'm going to be forty years sober coming January, I'll

1036
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 8: be forty years sober. I've lived half of my life

1037
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 8: as a sober man.

1038
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 2: So I want to tell the world that Gary Stromberg

1039
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 2: has written a really good book about celebrity recovering and

1040
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,479
Speaker 2: as a well known figure in AA, I have nothing

1041
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 2: but love and respect for what he's done with your

1042
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 2: life having seen him, because, as he pointed out to

1043
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 2: me before we began this adventure, he looked at the

1044
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 2: book and the way I described him in the book

1045
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 2: is Gary Stromberg Comma wasted and that's who he was.

1046
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, if I wrote my own life story, that's probably

1047
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 8: what I would call it. It's a restaurant called Dantana's.

1048
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 8: It's a very popular music business and literally you could

1049
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 8: do drugs wherever you went back in the day, and

1050
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 8: you go to Dantana's and the place would be filled

1051
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 8: with people in the music business, formers as well. And

1052
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 8: take a coffee saucer cup and turn it over and

1053
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 8: just pour a cocaine into it and snort it in

1054
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 8: front of everybody, didn't matter. And I remember one night

1055
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 8: I was just so arrogant that I did thee hundred

1056
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 8: dollar bill. That was a bus boy who was standing

1057
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 8: watching while we were snorting, passing that played around with

1058
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 8: the cocaine and I had one hundred dollar bill and

1059
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 8: I was snorting and I was watching him watch me,

1060
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 8: and I took a match and I lit the one

1061
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 8: hundred dollars bill and just held it up while he watched,

1062
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 8: just saying, here, how's this. How's an idiot? I have

1063
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 8: no I mean, I didn't see anything coming. I never

1064
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 8: saw any of this coming. I just thought it was

1065
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 8: all going to be fun and games forever, and that

1066
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 8: this dance would go on forever. I never knew that

1067
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 8: I had no nobody. And that's the other thing I

1068
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 8: guess about the music business. You don't go to school

1069
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 8: to learn how to do this. You don't learn go

1070
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 8: to school learn how to be a rock star. All

1071
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 8: of this is brand new. You're inventing it as you're

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01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 8: going along. So I was aware that we were inventing

1073
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 8: this as I went along. But I thought I was

1074
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 8: smart enough to you know, that I could keep this

1075
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 8: thing going. I did not, for a second understand that

1076
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 8: the drugs that I was addicted to would turn on me.

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01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 8: Never understood that until it did.

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01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 2: But having said that, and I'm here to talk about Gary,

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01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 2: he was on that tour. He was totally functional.

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01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was a high functioning drug addict, which a

1081
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 8: lot of people are. But that's actually probably the worst

1082
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 8: guy because I lasted a long time. I could dance

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01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 8: a long time before it. Yeah, it took over.

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01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: The SCP tour would be Gary's last time entrenched with

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01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: the Stones on the road, but it wasn't the last

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01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: time that members of the Stromberg clan would party with

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01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: the Stones on tour. Next time he was Gary's parents.

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01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 8: After the tour was over. This was two years later.

1089
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 8: My father had never been on an airplane before, and

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01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 8: I had now was doing well in my business and

1091
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 8: started to make some money, and I sent my parents

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01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 8: on a trip to Europe that I was so happy

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01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 8: to be able to pay for a tour of I

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01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 8: don't know how many countries, a few countries in Europe,

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01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 8: and it ended up in Amsterdam and they were at

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01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 8: an hotel in Amsterdam where the Stones were. Stones were like.

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01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 8: This must have been nineteen seventy four tour of Europe,

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01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 8: And just by coincidence, Keith saw my parents' name on

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01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 8: the hotel registry and he called up my parents' room

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01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 8: and my mother answered, and he said, are you related

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01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 8: to Gary Stromberg And they said yes, that's our son.

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01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 8: And he said, well, we're having you know, we're the Stones.

1103
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 8: We're having a party after our show. You are welcome

1104
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 8: to come. So my mother got all excited and they

1105
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 8: went to the after party that the Stones through in

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01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 8: that hotel. Keith greeted him like, was really cordial to them,

1107
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 8: And my mother called me from this hotel, said, we

1108
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 8: went to this amazing I was stunned. We went to

1109
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 8: this amazing party with the Rolling Stones. She said, bet,

1110
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 8: they was so smoky and it smelled weird, and your

1111
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 8: father got very dizzy, so we left.

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01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 2: How old were they? What do you think?

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01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 8: Sixties?

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01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 2: That is so sweet?

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01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 8: It show the sweetest thing. And I couldn't believe Keith

1116
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 8: did this. Just never said anything to me about that

1117
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 8: he had done it, And just I mean, what a

1118
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 8: kind thing to do. See my parents' name and he

1119
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 8: calls their room.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing.

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01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 8: He also that's also who he was, by the way.

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01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 8: He had a real generous spirit and a sweetness about

1123
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 8: him that was I don't think most people were aware of.

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01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: For Greenfield, however, there were still a handful of Stones

1125
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: encounters to come. We're working on his stp book. He

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01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: visited the band around Christmas nineteen seventy two in Jamaica,

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01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: the only place that would grant Keith a visa at

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01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: the time. There they recorded the follow up to Exile

1129
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: on Main Street, Goats Head Soup. The sessions were tense,

1130
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: Keith's addiction was taking hold, and Mick Taylor was beginning

1131
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: to go a similar direction. He would depart the group

1132
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 1: two years later, a choice he'd cite as critical to

1133
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,919
Speaker 1: his survival. If Exile was the peak of the stones

1134
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: most fruitful period, this new record was the start of

1135
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: the decline.

1136
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 2: It was just chaos and anarchy, and they functioned like

1137
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 2: that for a long time. They kept going. I was

1138
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,879
Speaker 2: with them at Kingston because they couldn't come to America.

1139
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 2: They were all under the indictments. They had to testify

1140
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 2: his material witnesses in France. They didn't get much done

1141
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 2: at Kingston. They recorded at Byron Lee's Dynamic Studios in

1142
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 2: trench Town at a time when the killing and going

1143
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 2: on there was terrifying, so that didn't work. It goes

1144
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 2: on and Black and Blue is recorded in German. There's

1145
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:07,799
Speaker 2: this whole period after exile where they are basically lost

1146
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 2: in searching, and then they're in New York. Mick and

1147
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 2: Keith are living in New York together, separately, you know,

1148
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 2: but they're both They're going downtown having they're not famous,

1149
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 2: Suddenly they're not superstars. It's not like seventy two. It

1150
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 2: keeps going up. Everybody misses the second act in the

1151
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 2: Stones thing, and it was a long second act. They're

1152
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 2: kind of like old nobody cares, Oh yeah, you know,

1153
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 2: Punk comes in, makes fun of all those guys, you know,

1154
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 2: Rod Stewart, they're all washed up, who cares? But they

1155
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 2: don't stop. And because they don't stop, they re emerge

1156
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 2: and I can't pin the tour. But then the tours

1157
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 2: start getting bigger and bigger and much more profitable. And

1158
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 2: they're in Europe and playing a fifty thousand people and

1159
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 2: they're out as speak. And again I'll quote Bill Graham

1160
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 2: forever because nobody was smarter, you know. But we were

1161
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 2: talking about them and he said to me, it sounds

1162
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 2: so simple, but it's so brilliant. He said, you know, Bob,

1163
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 2: if they weren't any good live, nobody would want to

1164
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 2: see them. So they've crossed generations, multiple generations, people bringing

1165
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 2: their kids. But really it's because Mick is still able

1166
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 2: to sing and dance on stage.

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01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 8: People bring in their grandkids.

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01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 1: Greenfield's stp book ends with an unsettled line for Jagger

1170
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: was a young man, just thirty, and congratulations were not

1171
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: necessarily in order. It's a youthful sentiment. Pends before that

1172
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: all important realization that aging isn't a sentence but a privilege,

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01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: one that many of their friends and tour mates were

1174
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 1: never afforded. The line has a very different meeting to

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01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:00,799
Speaker 1: green Field today.

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01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 2: Well, I hope I die before I get old, man,

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01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 2: That's what that is. It's just like, was he thirty

1178
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 2: twenty nine? Yeah, but by the time I wrote the

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01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 2: book at thirty thirty. But I don't even know if

1180
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 2: I know what that line means anymore, you know, I mean,

1181
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 2: I was twenty six, you know, twenty five. Actually I

1182
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 2: turned twenty six in nineteen seventy two after the tour.

1183
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 2: So the spirit of rock and roll, that's what I'm

1184
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 2: talking about there, the fu level of the kicking the

1185
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 2: door in taking the hinges off, that rebellious attitude. But

1186
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 2: you got to grow up, you know what I mean,

1187
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 2: you got to grow older. And this was transitional for

1188
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 2: them in their own lives as well.

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01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 8: But who'd have thought it would have gone as long

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01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 8: as it has.

1191
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:52,919
Speaker 1: Nobody By cosmic coincidence, The Stones announced their first collection

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01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: of original songs in eighteen years, shortly after the premiere

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01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 1: of this podcast. Aside from Mick and Keith, it also

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01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 1: features playing by Bill Wyman, who retired as the Stones

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01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: official bass player in nineteen ninety three, and also the

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01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 1: final performances of drummer Charlie Watts, who died in August

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01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one. The album called Hackney Diamonds was

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01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 1: released days before this taping to enormous acclaim. Another tour

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Speaker 1: is sure to come, but Robert Greenfield and Gary Stromberg

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01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 1: won't be there.

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01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 2: So July twenty sixth, nineteen seventy two, Micks twenty nine

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01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 2: final show in Madison Square Guard Books. I never saw

1203
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 2: him again. I have never gone to a Rolling Stones concert, oh,

1204
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 2: since nineteen seventy two. And my people say to me,

1205
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 2: I've been invited, especially when I was working on Bill

1206
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 2: Graham's book, Bob, Why would I want to go see?

1207
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what. Yeah, I saw him, yes.

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01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 2: When they were great and they're still great.

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01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's interesting. I didn't know that you've never seen

1210
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 8: him again. I haven't either, never the same thing. I

1211
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 8: got invited and I didn't want to go.

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01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: So we'll leave you where they left them. Outside Madison

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01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 1: Square Garden on July twenty sixth, nineteen seventy two, Seventh

1214
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: Avenue is buzzing twenty thousand dazed and delighted fans of

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01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: just seen the Greatest rock and Roll show of their lives.

1216
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:28,799
Speaker 1: Try to recall the feeling. Your heart pounds, your head rushes,

1217
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: and your body practically levitates. A New York cop watches

1218
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: the mind blown crowd the part He shakes his head

1219
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 1: and spits in the street before nudging his partner look

1220
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 1: at him, he says, pointing out the best minds of

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01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 1: the next generation. Go on, take a look. It's eerie.

1222
01:13:48,600 --> 01:14:38,839
Speaker 10: I tell you, darren a a state a euphoria.

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01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 2: Stone's Touring Party has written and hosted by Jordan Runton,

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01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:50,480
Speaker 2: co Executive produced by Noel Brown.

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01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 8: And Jordan Runton, Edited and sound designed by Noel Brown

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01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 8: and Michael Alder jun Original music composed and performed by

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01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 8: Michael Alder June and Noel Brown, with additional instruments performed

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01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 8: by Chris Suarez, Nick Johns Cooper, and Josh Thane.

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Speaker 2: Vintage Rolling Stones audio courtesy of the Robert Greenfield Archive.

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01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: At the Charles Derry McCormick Library of Special Collections in

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01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: Northwestern University Libraries. Stone's Touring Party is a production of iHeartRadio.

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01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:28,160
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