Speaker 1: What is up?
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 3: Commanders fan? This is the Beatdown Podcast. I'm Zach Selby,
Speaker 3: your host, senior writer for the Washington Commanders, and Bob's
Speaker 3: still no doubt about it, still feeling good about ourselves.
Speaker 3: But the Commanders did drop their first loss in about
Speaker 3: a month, thirty to twenty three to the Baltimore.
Speaker 2: Ravens on the road. A good game.
Speaker 3: They had a chance to win there, but there were
Speaker 3: a few key mistakes here and there that ultimately led
Speaker 3: to their demise. But they have a good chance to
Speaker 3: bounce back coming back on the Northwest Stadium to take
Speaker 3: on the Carolina Panthers who are one and five but
Speaker 3: still pesky team, still in the NFL, team still full professionals,
Speaker 3: and they can still be anybody at any time. And
Speaker 3: how they're gonna be able to bounce back, well, that
Speaker 3: is exactly what we're gonna be able to talk about today.
Speaker 3: And with me we have Wandermera who is part of
Speaker 3: the Spanish broadcasting for US, and we also have a
Speaker 3: former Commanders alum here. It is a full time employee
Speaker 3: of staff alum here, Logan Campbell. She used to work
Speaker 3: for US as a team reporter back in twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: but she is now a sports anchor and porter for
Speaker 3: WFMY out in North Carolina.
Speaker 2: How are we doing, y'all?
Speaker 1: We're doing good.
Speaker 4: At least I'm doing good over here on the Commander's side.
Speaker 4: I don't know how it's going down there in North
Speaker 4: Carolina right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, the vibes might be high for
Speaker 5: you guys, but they are not very high for us.
Speaker 6: Here in Charlotte. So this game is.
Speaker 5: Gonna be fun, you know, being a former Commander I
Speaker 5: used to work there and being a Commander fan that
Speaker 5: having to cover it, it might be a totally different story.
Speaker 2: Baron personally, how are the vibes logan? Are you doing
Speaker 2: all right?
Speaker 1: Personally?
Speaker 5: Oh? Fantastic, the best that they have been in years, Zach.
Speaker 5: So it's been so fun getting to watch the Commanders
Speaker 5: this year. It's like a new energy up there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you know, it really is.
Speaker 3: And Guinea be a part of this has been, you know,
Speaker 3: such a surreal feeling because right now it's we've usually
Speaker 3: been like either one or two and four or something
Speaker 3: like this heading into week seven, but now we're kind
Speaker 3: of the talk of the league and that's a new
Speaker 3: experience that I'm not really familiar with, but I'm loving
Speaker 3: every second of it.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen a mock draft yet.
Speaker 4: Like other years, I've already checked out mock drafts and
Speaker 4: other years, and this year we haven't done that yet.
Speaker 3: So we're yeah, we're more We're more focused on playoff
Speaker 3: seating right now, which is even listen even in a
Speaker 3: little too too ahead of ourselves ex But anyway, so.
Speaker 2: The listeners know the spiel, they know the deal.
Speaker 3: But for you guys, you're gonna be asking me questions
Speaker 3: about about the game on Sunday, you guys are going
Speaker 3: to debate, and since it's my show, I have the
Speaker 3: tremendous burden rested on my shoulders to pick a winner.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, the viewers know and the
Speaker 3: listeners know that you should not focus too hard on
Speaker 3: the outcome, be more focused on the objective and important
Speaker 3: information that these people are providing. Because they are team insiders.
Speaker 3: They know the team there's respective teams better than anybody
Speaker 3: and without further ado, let's dive right into it. So,
Speaker 3: the the Carolina defense has really been struggling a little bit.
Speaker 3: Needless to say, they're in the bottom third of just
Speaker 3: about every single category, whether it's past total defense of
Speaker 3: yards allowed, rushing yards. I think they think they're second
Speaker 3: to second or third to last, and league rushing yards allowed.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, they do have some really
Speaker 3: solid players on their team, like Jase Horn is a
Speaker 3: really really good player leading a talented secondary, albeit still
Speaker 3: struggling a little bit. And you know they're their defensive
Speaker 3: their defensive line has you know, there's some there's some
Speaker 3: solid players on my team, maybe playing a little bit
Speaker 3: out of position in terms of where they will be
Speaker 3: on respective depth charts.
Speaker 2: They hadn't been so banged up. Uh So, Logan, since.
Speaker 3: You are you are the the other teams, guess we'll
Speaker 3: let's you start first here.
Speaker 2: What do you think the biggest threat to.
Speaker 3: Washington's offenses on this command on this Carolina defense? Because
Speaker 3: the Washington off as you know, has been playing on
Speaker 3: a historic rate so far, even with the twenty three
Speaker 3: point performance they had against the Ravens.
Speaker 6: Yes, that is a high flying offense. Look, Zach, I
Speaker 6: mean you touched on it. This defense is terrible. The
Speaker 6: Panthers even know that this defense is terrible. We talked
Speaker 6: to j C. Forran after their loss to the Atlanta.
Speaker 5: Falcons, and he said, straight up, it's embarrassing how bad
Speaker 5: our defense has been this year.
Speaker 6: I mean, yes, they've had some huge injuries.
Speaker 5: You know, Derek Brown has a season ending injury, a
Speaker 5: defensive tackle that was, you know, making maybe masking the
Speaker 5: problems a little bit more. Jadavian Clowney might not be
Speaker 5: able to play. He's out at practice but not going
Speaker 5: through the motions. He's just stretching for the first time today,
Speaker 5: so he's questionable to play on Sunday. Jack Thompson, their
Speaker 5: biggest linebacker is out, so there's lots of problems.
Speaker 6: On the defensive side of the ball. I think the.
Speaker 5: Biggest threat honestly Zach because it's not on the caroline
Speaker 5: of Panthers. The biggest threat is if Jeremy Chin or
Speaker 5: Frank people who decided mid game, Hey, you know what,
Speaker 5: I want to go back to Carolina. I want to
Speaker 5: put in my old teammates.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I think the Panthers defense it is what it is.
Speaker 5: I don't know if they're going to get much better Personally.
Speaker 5: I don't think that there is a huge threat to
Speaker 5: the Commander's offense with what they're able to do this season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's I think that the Panthers are
Speaker 3: They're on pace at least from what I've heard, that
Speaker 3: they're on pace to be the most scored against team
Speaker 3: in at least like the longest and maybe even league
Speaker 3: history right now. I mean they're they're averaging dead last
Speaker 3: at thirty three point eight points allowed per game. I
Speaker 3: think they've had thirty points allowed and eat to the
Speaker 3: last three contests and Juan Barring, as Logan said, the
Speaker 3: rare end game trade. Uh, you know, I want to
Speaker 3: focus on on j C. Horn a little bit because
Speaker 3: he probably is I would say, like you know, with
Speaker 3: all with Darrick Brown and Shaq Thompson and all those
Speaker 3: other players. They even banged Upper out for the year,
Speaker 3: like he probably is like their best defensive player right now.
Speaker 3: Aout to Madden, He's gonna see a lot of Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 3: So how do you think that matchup is going to
Speaker 3: play out a lot? Because Terry does he does match
Speaker 3: up well against a lot of different corners. He knows
Speaker 3: how to play against you know, gazone, he does against
Speaker 3: more physical, man coverage corners. How do you expect that
Speaker 3: matchup between Terry and Horn to work out on Sunday.
Speaker 4: I expect Kingsbury to probably do some sort of like
Speaker 4: the Skuises in the beginning. I seem to think that
Speaker 4: Kingsbury he likes to start off with little screens just
Speaker 4: to set up test the defenses, to see what type
Speaker 4: of defense they're going to play against Terry or specifically
Speaker 4: all the receivers in the running backs. But either way,
Speaker 4: I mean J. C. Horn is by far their best
Speaker 4: defensive player. He is the biggest threat on their defense.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's got six pass breakups already on the year.
Speaker 1: He's got the pick.
Speaker 4: I think definitely he could interrupt Washington's game plan a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you know who
Speaker 1: would have thunk it.
Speaker 4: You know, Washington has too many weapons, I think for
Speaker 4: this defense if you stop, you know, Terry McLaurin on
Speaker 4: the outside.
Speaker 1: We saw Zach.
Speaker 4: Ertz get it a little bit involved in the game
Speaker 4: against Baltimore. It seems to be that they find different
Speaker 4: flows throughout the game where maybe you know, on one
Speaker 4: drive it'll be Ertz, maybe on one drive it'll it'll
Speaker 4: be Eckler, or it'll be maybe even sometimes Dimmie Brown.
Speaker 4: There's just options on this team, right, you know, it's
Speaker 4: not the household names that you will think of, and
Speaker 4: that maybe the rest of the league knows. But at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, these guys are getting it done.
Speaker 4: They're executing a plan that Kingsbury is you know, focusing
Speaker 4: on during the week and right now, right now is
Speaker 4: running like a well oiled machine. And I think the
Speaker 4: biggest threat to them against the Carolina Panthers is self
Speaker 4: inflicted wounds like we saw it against the Giants, right
Speaker 4: We saw it here in the red zone against the
Speaker 4: Giants where they ran.
Speaker 1: Up and down the field on the Giants.
Speaker 4: They got into the red zone so many times and
Speaker 4: they had to settle for field goals.
Speaker 1: So you just got to finish drives, you know, keep.
Speaker 4: The mental awareness up and not be their own worst
Speaker 4: enemy on offense.
Speaker 3: That's kind of where I'm at too, And I think
Speaker 3: and to your point about about spreading it out, you know,
Speaker 3: to the different receivers. Thirteen players have caught, have have
Speaker 3: had a target for this, for this, for this commander's offense.
Speaker 3: So Jade Daniels is doing a phenomenal job ats spraying
Speaker 3: the ball around and spraying the wealth and you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's funny like during the off season, lot of
Speaker 3: people were wondering if there were enough weapons for Jayden
Speaker 3: to to effectively run this offense, and it turns out
Speaker 3: when you have a guy like him, it doesn't really
Speaker 3: matter all that much because he's able to get it out.
Speaker 3: And then Cliff Kingsbury obviously has done a ver good
Speaker 3: job of getting players open. But Logan, I'll go back
Speaker 3: to you here because I think if there's anything we've
Speaker 3: learned we can learn from the Ravens game, is that
Speaker 3: the running game is so important to the Washington offense.
Speaker 3: They were coming in the league second behind the Ravens
Speaker 3: and rushing yards per game. Ryan Robinson goes out, and
Speaker 3: of course there are other factors involved with this, but
Speaker 3: they average I think they're around like fifty two yards
Speaker 3: after that game, which it really disrupted their their game
Speaker 3: flow quite a bit. And again, like you know, the
Speaker 3: Ravens have an excellent defense to stop in the run,
Speaker 3: so it's not all on the commander's self afflicted wounds there.
Speaker 3: But I would imagine, you know, the Carolina Panthers are
Speaker 3: going to try their best to stop Brian Robinson, assuming
Speaker 3: he's going to be available or you know, Austin Eckler,
Speaker 3: Jerry maybe Nichols. They're going to try to do something
Speaker 3: to whether it's blitzing or doing some many different stunts.
Speaker 3: Like how do you expect them to address this rushing
Speaker 3: attack that has a really good offensive line, really solid
Speaker 3: staple of running backs.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, you know.
Speaker 5: The main talk though honestly, it hasn't even been about
Speaker 5: their running game though for the Panthers that which is
Speaker 5: a problem. You know, they're not even acknowledging that. They're
Speaker 5: just more worried about containing Jade and Daniels. They're so
Speaker 5: worried about Jade and Daniels. You know, he is a
Speaker 5: dual threat quarterback going on these big runs they're having
Speaker 5: Bright's young and late Jaden Daniels, which I don't think
Speaker 5: you can even do that because he is so good
Speaker 5: and practice to try and get this defense prepared. But
Speaker 5: I think that's one thing that you mentioned. The run
Speaker 5: game is so big for Washington. I don't know how
Speaker 5: they are planning on addressing that because they're so focused
Speaker 5: on Jaden Daniels. Unfortunately, but like we said, their defensive
Speaker 5: line just isn't as as good as it could have
Speaker 5: been with all the injuries that they've had.
Speaker 6: So you know, I think, you know, stacking.
Speaker 5: The box a little bit more that would be helpful,
Speaker 5: you know, having I don't know who's going to even
Speaker 5: replace Shack Thompson. I know they've mentioned mixing up personnel
Speaker 5: this week to just try and get something defensive going
Speaker 5: and creating these turnovers. So I think the biggest thing
Speaker 5: is the turnover battle. If they can create turnovers, that's
Speaker 5: gonna help. But for the Panthers, what we've seen this
Speaker 5: year is if they don't play a perfect game on defense,
Speaker 5: they're not gonna win.
Speaker 6: So that's a great question.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know how they're gonna plan for
Speaker 5: it to attack this Washington's offense.
Speaker 6: I simply don't know.
Speaker 3: You know, And I really, I really am curious about
Speaker 3: that because I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure that.
Speaker 3: Even like you said, I don't even sure they know.
Speaker 3: Because if you if you don't have Brian Robinson, you've
Speaker 3: got Austin Eckley, who's gonna bust a fifty yard run.
Speaker 3: You have Jeremy Nichols, who's really underrated I think in
Speaker 3: terms of how he's been able to perform. Uh. And
Speaker 3: you know, I was a big fan of Jeremy McNichols
Speaker 3: going into training camp. I think he's been really really
Speaker 3: key to this this running game. And on top of that,
Speaker 3: like to the point about the turnover battle, I mean,
Speaker 3: Washington is they've only given up the ball three times,
Speaker 3: which is you know, that's that's the second fewest in
Speaker 3: the league. So the commanders do a very good job
Speaker 3: protecting the ball. And if if the commander is able
Speaker 3: to do that again on Sunday, it's gonna be very hard.
Speaker 3: One real quick just contacting the running game a little
Speaker 3: bit before we move on to the next question. How
Speaker 3: big is having Brian Robinson back going to be for
Speaker 3: this offense.
Speaker 4: As much as they downplayed it going into the game
Speaker 4: against the Ravens, I think it was huge. You know,
Speaker 4: he absorbs hits, you know, he he takes on defenders
Speaker 4: like defenders have to pay attention to him. That there
Speaker 4: was some a few runs where Eckler, you can see,
Speaker 4: you know, his vision probably you know, let him down
Speaker 4: a little bit and maybe Robinson probably would have been
Speaker 4: able to get some more yards and some of those runs.
Speaker 1: So I definitely think it was a huge part.
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously the Ravens were going into the game
Speaker 4: number one against the rush and Carolina is not the case, right,
Speaker 4: definitely not. But at the same time, if you're going
Speaker 4: to focus all your attention on Jaden Daniels and the
Speaker 4: RPO game, like, then just feed it to Robinson all
Speaker 4: day long.
Speaker 1: I think he'll get his well then to go off
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 5: Last week against Atlanta, their two running backs had combined
Speaker 5: three hundred yards, so you would think they would address
Speaker 5: the running game after last week's game. But again, the
Speaker 5: talk is just a bit about Jayden Daniels. So yeah,
Speaker 5: if I'm Washington, I'm feeding it to be rod the
Speaker 5: entire time.
Speaker 3: You know, I think that's probably I mean, you just
Speaker 3: look at the stats and they just they just point
Speaker 3: to exactly that, right, Like, I mean, you cannot find
Speaker 3: two more diametrically different defense as opposed to what you
Speaker 3: were seeing with the Ravens versus what you were gonna.
Speaker 2: See with the Panthers. The Panthers are on the opposite
Speaker 2: end of the spectrum trying to defending their run.
Speaker 3: And you know, with Jane Daniels, like you said, Logan
Speaker 3: being so dynamic and just about every part of that offense.
Speaker 3: It's really hard to focus on anybody but him because
Speaker 3: he really does make that that offense go because of
Speaker 3: how smart he is, how Poisy is in the pocket.
Speaker 2: We're gonna move on to the next question, but first
Speaker 2: before we do that score update.
Speaker 3: You guys are tied four to four. Uh so, really
Speaker 3: big battle here between you guys with the points. I
Speaker 3: really like the points they all began so far. But
Speaker 3: we're gonna move on to another part of the game here,
Speaker 3: which I think is a really big blow for the Commanders.
Speaker 3: They lost Jonathan Allen with the torn pactor muscle. He's
Speaker 3: gonna be done. He's on ir GO under undergoing surgery.
Speaker 3: But it does create kind of a hole for for
Speaker 3: this for this uh, for this defense, because of how
Speaker 3: you know, reliable he is, his mindset, his leadership.
Speaker 2: It's I mean, there's no other way the way to say.
Speaker 3: It is a loss, and I expect the Panthers are
Speaker 3: gonna try to take advantage of that, especially with which
Speaker 3: Cuba Hubbard is running.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, with Andy Dalton still, you know, I think
Speaker 3: he's probably not the best quarterback right now, but he is.
Speaker 3: He is a veteran who knows how to run that
Speaker 3: offense and do it more effectively. I guess you could
Speaker 3: say than than Bryce Young. Uh so, one, we'll start
Speaker 3: with you first here, And how do you think the
Speaker 3: Panthers are gonna try to take advantage of that that
Speaker 3: hole in the defensive line, especially with how well their
Speaker 3: running game has been going over the last few games
Speaker 3: or so.
Speaker 1: Uh you mentioned it.
Speaker 4: I think Cuba hubbard Is is definitely where this offense
Speaker 4: has to go through. Ever since they made the Q
Speaker 4: Beach change, like it's been night and day their rush game.
Speaker 4: You know, obviously they have Dalton back there, but it's
Speaker 4: it all goes through Cuba, and especially right now if
Speaker 4: you're playing Washington on the other end, Like if you're
Speaker 4: playing against Washington, people like to say, oh, you know,
Speaker 4: they're only ranked twenty second against the rush, but I
Speaker 4: like to see more of the yards per rush, so
Speaker 4: when they want to run on us, they will run
Speaker 4: on the Commanders. Like they're averaging five yards per carry against,
Speaker 4: which is twenty ninth in the league, Which means if
Speaker 4: Carolina keeps this game close and is still able to rush,
Speaker 4: they might be able to pick up some good yards
Speaker 4: chunk yards in the running game and that will open
Speaker 4: up the play action game. And you know our secondary
Speaker 4: hasn't been exactly lighting it up either, So definitely, I
Speaker 4: think it all starts through the ground, which chub Hubbard,
Speaker 4: and the interior of the offensive line, which is pretty
Speaker 4: good with Lewis and Hunt at the guard positions. I
Speaker 4: think they have a formidable challenge the Washington defensive line
Speaker 4: this league.
Speaker 2: They really do.
Speaker 3: And the band is off the line is I think
Speaker 3: by far their best position. Really address that in the offseason,
Speaker 3: and their numbers probably aren't. They don't scream that they're
Speaker 3: one of the better units, but if you just watch them,
Speaker 3: they're Their interior, like you said, is just full.
Speaker 2: Of these big, nasty dudes.
Speaker 3: Who they're they're They're about a stereotypical of an offensive
Speaker 3: line as you would you would expect them to be.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: But Logan, I want you to focus specifically on Cuba
Speaker 3: here because if you just look at his stats, he
Speaker 3: really is running hard. I think he's fifth and yards
Speaker 3: over expected right now, He's averaging about five yards of care.
Speaker 3: He's really running hard making that offense go for them.
Speaker 2: What about Cuba makes it? Makes him such a focal
Speaker 2: point of that offense.
Speaker 5: Before we get to that, I do have some breaking
Speaker 5: news for you guys, Tod Clowney Toll reporters today right
Speaker 5: now that he does not expect to play on Sunday,
Speaker 5: So there's another hole in our defense. Anyways, let's try
Speaker 5: and talk about the positives.
Speaker 6: Chuba Hubbard. He's having a great season. Listen.
Speaker 5: I saw him during training camp. He would stay an
Speaker 5: hour after practice was over, just putting in work, getting
Speaker 5: an extra rep. So he he is one of the
Speaker 5: hardest workers on this team, without a doubt, and that's
Speaker 5: clearly paying off because he is a bright spot in
Speaker 5: this offense. Like you said, like we've seen him go
Speaker 5: on some big runs this season.
Speaker 6: But the problem becomes when.
Speaker 5: Cuba is doing well, for whatever reason, they decide to
Speaker 5: switch up the offense and start throwing thirty yard bombs
Speaker 5: down the field, which ended up getting intercepted. We saw
Speaker 5: that happen twice last game against Atlanta, so you know,
Speaker 5: he he is the focal point of this offense. It
Speaker 5: is sad, but they do need to keep feeding Tuba
Speaker 5: the ball. They're going to run him into the ground,
Speaker 5: but he's the one that gets this team going and
Speaker 5: moves them down the field and.
Speaker 3: If you look at his his like rushing like totals,
Speaker 3: like I don't think he has a He only has
Speaker 3: like three plays that are over twenty yards and not
Speaker 3: on the ground, but he just has He kind of
Speaker 3: reminds me of b Rob a little bit with how
Speaker 3: like physically he is at a lot of scrimmage.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he just needs the offensive line that Washington has
Speaker 5: now and then you know, maybe he will be at
Speaker 5: that next level like b Rob is.
Speaker 3: Playing at and that and that commit that Carolina Panthers
Speaker 3: offensive line is a little banged up, which is going
Speaker 3: to be probably be a pretty big factor into this game.
Speaker 3: So one going into like you can't really replace a
Speaker 3: guy like Jonathan Allen one to one, but there are
Speaker 3: a lot of guys who are probably gonna have more
Speaker 3: expanded roles, and one of them is going to be
Speaker 3: Johnny Newton, who talked in the locker room, I think
Speaker 3: it was Wednesday, talking about how you think he's really
Speaker 3: really ready for this, he feels the confidence of the
Speaker 3: coaching staff. What kind of impact do you think Johnny
Speaker 3: Newton is going to have because we really haven't seen
Speaker 3: all that much of him just because of various injuries
Speaker 3: and him being lower on the death chart. But now
Speaker 3: that he has a bigger role on this team, what
Speaker 3: do you expect out of him?
Speaker 4: You know, before I talk about Johnny Newton, I want
Speaker 4: to give the credit to someone that's gone under talked about,
Speaker 4: and that's Fadarian Mathis. I think he's come up big
Speaker 4: on some some series that I've seen that he's out there,
Speaker 4: he is absorbing double blocks, he's getting to running backs.
Speaker 4: He doesn't have probably the past rushing skills that the
Speaker 4: other defensive tackles have, but definitely a shout out to
Speaker 4: him and what he's done so far in the season.
Speaker 4: Johnny Obviously, with him, we haven't seen much of him.
Speaker 4: I think he's still recovering from two foot surgeries, like
Speaker 4: in the offseason, like those things aren't something to take lightly.
Speaker 4: I think he probably was just getting his legs under him.
Speaker 4: His last couple of games we saw him do basically
Speaker 4: you know, a player that stood out against the Ravens
Speaker 4: where he was able to shed a block and get
Speaker 4: to the running back.
Speaker 1: So definitely, I think with him.
Speaker 4: He had a spectacular career at Illinois, and you know,
Speaker 4: he was definitely one of those players that we were
Speaker 4: excited to see what he was going to bring as
Speaker 4: the second round draft pick in this draft, I think
Speaker 4: that many people were surprised that we were going to
Speaker 4: take a defensive tackle when we had probably other needs.
Speaker 4: So we expected a lot out of him, and I
Speaker 4: think he's going to be able to show it now,
Speaker 4: most likely against you know, something like like uh Chuba Hubbard,
Speaker 4: like we saw against Derrick Henry. They'll probably play a
Speaker 4: lot of five down lineman and probably move him to
Speaker 4: one of the ends spots and uh, we'll see for
Speaker 4: Darien Mathis in the middle. So I'm looking forward to
Speaker 4: it and looking forward to see what we get from
Speaker 4: Johnny Newton.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, you're right, And that is a
Speaker 3: really good point about Fidarian because I think he puts
Speaker 3: out he does a lot of things that do not
Speaker 3: show up on the stat sheet, and but he makes
Speaker 3: that defense like when he's on the field, like Frankie
Speaker 3: Lulu and Bobby Wagner, like they have more opportunities because
Speaker 3: he's able to eat up those double teams. And that's
Speaker 3: something that that he was praised for even going into
Speaker 3: the draft process a couple of years ago, about how
Speaker 3: like he doesn't really do a whole lot that makes you,
Speaker 3: you know, stand out and say, oh my gosh, that's
Speaker 3: an amazing tackle. But he lets the linebackers flow and
Speaker 3: do their jobs. And you know, considering the way that
Speaker 3: Frankie and Bobby are playing right now, that you want
Speaker 3: as much of that as you possibly can.
Speaker 2: Logan real quick here is you know, I mentioned.
Speaker 3: How like the off the line is kind of banged
Speaker 3: up a little bit for the Panthers, Like how confident
Speaker 3: do you feel about them going up against this commanders
Speaker 3: deep the line?
Speaker 5: Well, and you know it's crazy to say that, you know,
Speaker 5: maybe the defensive line for Washington is one of the
Speaker 5: weaker points on this team, which is crazy to say
Speaker 5: because that wasn't.
Speaker 6: The case for years. But you know, I think just
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 5: Doron Payne being out or Jonathan Allen excuse me, being out,
Speaker 5: that's huge for the Carolina to try and exploit that,
Speaker 5: get the run game going, you know, and eat up
Speaker 5: the cloth. You know, like I said earlier, they need
Speaker 5: to play a perfect game. So if they can take
Speaker 5: care of the ball, and you know, maybe Washington this
Speaker 5: could be a trap game for Washington.
Speaker 6: So I think.
Speaker 5: Who knows, who knows maybe maybe the Panthers will come
Speaker 5: out they had like a heart to heart conversation in
Speaker 5: the locker room after last week's loss, after being one
Speaker 5: in five, and maybe they'll look like significantly better than
Speaker 5: they've all seasons. So hopefully the offensive line, you know,
Speaker 5: like it. Like we've said, they are banged up, but
Speaker 5: maybe something they had to come to Jesus moment this
Speaker 5: week and they'll just play slightly better to keep this
Speaker 5: one a close game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really interested to see what what that matchup
Speaker 3: is going to be like, because you know, you're right,
Speaker 3: like the Carolina off off of the line is banged up.
Speaker 3: But last question here score update, though, I think the
Speaker 3: point you made one about Fadarian really really stood out
Speaker 3: to me, So I got to give you a point ahead.
Speaker 3: But logan, you still have you still have one more
Speaker 3: question to get back up here. And it's really simple,
Speaker 3: you know, beside the quarterbacks, because obviously Jaden is going
Speaker 3: to be a big factor on Sunday and he Doll
Speaker 3: is gonna be a big factor on Sunday, that's obvious,
Speaker 3: But like other than those guys, which player do you
Speaker 3: think on either team will have the biggest effect on Sunday's.
Speaker 5: Outcome, I think, to be honest, I don't. I think
Speaker 5: it really depends on how Jadeen Daniels plays. I think
Speaker 5: that if Washington, you know, maybe gets a little lackluster
Speaker 5: and Carols but the ball and creates the turnovers and
Speaker 5: Carolina somehow capitalizes on it, I think that that could
Speaker 5: really flip the outcome of the game. We've said this
Speaker 5: time and time again for Carolina, if they are not
Speaker 5: playing a perfect game in every single phase, they're not
Speaker 5: gonna win. So they have to play a little bit
Speaker 5: more than perfect and create some turnovers and capitalize off
Speaker 5: some off the turnovers.
Speaker 6: That's gonna be the biggest outcome.
Speaker 5: So I think on Washington side, it's Jayden and Daniels
Speaker 5: taking care of the ball, but then on Carolina side,
Speaker 5: it's jac Horn.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 5: I think if he can create those turnovers off of
Speaker 5: these big passes that we know jade Daniels is gonna make,
Speaker 5: that's gonna be the difference maker in this one.
Speaker 2: I like that. Like that because you're right.
Speaker 3: I think Jase Horn is really going to be quite
Speaker 3: the quite the matt with Terry.
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna see a lot against Tammie. I
Speaker 2: think Lamede'sakias might get out there, and no brown as
Speaker 2: as really well, so he could also see any of
Speaker 2: those guys.
Speaker 3: All right, One same question, which player on either team
Speaker 3: you think is the biggest effect on today?
Speaker 1: All right? So I need I need them to release
Speaker 1: the dogs and by that I mean Frankie Louvu. I
Speaker 1: need another Frankie Louvu game because he disappeared last week
Speaker 1: against the Ravens.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's through fault of his The Ravens
Speaker 4: had a good game plan against him, but there was
Speaker 4: two games in a row that he popped, that he
Speaker 4: came out, that he jumped out of.
Speaker 1: The screen on what he was doing. So I need
Speaker 1: him to be blitzing all the time.
Speaker 4: This is a quarterback any Dalton that you know where
Speaker 4: he's at, You like, you know he's going to be
Speaker 4: in that pocket. You need to send him pretty much
Speaker 4: all the time to the quarterback, bring him down or
Speaker 4: obviously on rushing downs to the running back. And I
Speaker 4: think that's going to be the key to this game.
Speaker 4: A little bit of Bobby Wagner, but it's mostly on
Speaker 4: Frankie Louver. I think Bobby Wagner was kind of called
Speaker 4: out to be honest by Wait on the press conference
Speaker 4: this week about these miscommunications, uh that that were going
Speaker 4: on with these plays. So I think it's they're going
Speaker 4: to take you a little personal. But I think Frank
Speaker 4: lou was gonna be the one that's going to have
Speaker 4: the big game.
Speaker 3: Wen.
Speaker 5: Can I just say that if you're going up against
Speaker 5: the Carolina Panther and you're a former Carolina Carolina Panther,
Speaker 5: chances are have a great game. We saw that with
Speaker 5: DJ Moore when they play the Chicago Bear.
Speaker 6: So I think you're.
Speaker 1: Correct, that's correct.
Speaker 3: And you know, Lulu has just been as he gets
Speaker 3: more comfortable, you can see it on the field, right,
Speaker 3: Like he's got he's got this quickness that I would
Speaker 3: love to see him russ the pass or even more
Speaker 3: because I know, I know they have other responsibilities.
Speaker 2: That they need him to do, but he's just so
Speaker 2: fun to watch.
Speaker 1: I see another post game speech, right, you know.
Speaker 2: Yoh yeah? Like that that got me fired up. So
Speaker 2: I watched that about twenty times. Taking to that Ravens game.
Speaker 3: It got me ready to run through a brick wall.
Speaker 3: I would never I would have any effect at all
Speaker 3: of the game. But I maybe want to suit up
Speaker 3: for sure. Okay, so final results here Again, the burden
Speaker 3: has arrested on my shoulders.
Speaker 2: And Logan, you know I love you.
Speaker 6: You know you know I thanked like the Panther season
Speaker 6: is going.
Speaker 2: We will always be friends no matter what. But one,
Speaker 2: I gotta give the win to you.
Speaker 3: The Fenerie Mathis uh stuff, the one, the the Frankie
Speaker 3: Lulu stuff like that was that was all so key.
Speaker 2: Do you have any parting words of victory for us?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: I mean, first of all, Logan, you were tasked with
Speaker 4: something that that was, you know, kind of hard, and
Speaker 4: to point out how Carolina could get tied to win
Speaker 4: this game.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: And and no offense any given Sunday, right, anything can
Speaker 4: happen on the field. Uh, as far as this Sunday.
Speaker 4: But I think Washington, we saw it against the Browns
Speaker 4: where I thought it was gonna be a trap game.
Speaker 1: I think this year is kind of different. I think obviously, Zach,
Speaker 1: we we've been around.
Speaker 4: The team for a little bit in these last couple
Speaker 4: of years where we get hyped up for these games
Speaker 4: that are supposedly Washington's favorite at home, you know, big
Speaker 4: home crowd coming out for the team and it just
Speaker 4: lay a big dud, right, So I think this year
Speaker 4: is different, and I expect that on a day where
Speaker 4: Daryl Green is getting his jersey retired, the team will
Speaker 4: pick him up as well.
Speaker 3: And you know, granted, like you know, the Panthers are,
Speaker 3: you know, their professionals. They can win on any given Sunday,
Speaker 3: like you said, but if they go in there and
Speaker 3: handle their business, I think things should be should be
Speaker 3: okay real quick before on the way out. Daryl Green's
Speaker 3: memory is getting retired on Sunday. You guys have you know,
Speaker 3: been fans and grew up around here and all of
Speaker 3: the other stuff. The importance and significance of that, you know,
Speaker 3: a Hall of Fame player getting honored.
Speaker 4: Like that for me personally, you know, he was one
Speaker 4: of my favorite players coming up growing up as a
Speaker 4: kid here in the nineties and you know, seeing him play,
Speaker 4: seeing him not go to another team actually you know,
Speaker 4: having his jersey and being able to wear it for
Speaker 4: years and years, so it didn't fit me anymore, you know,
Speaker 4: because he actually stayed on the team.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: Definitely, definitely someone that deserves to have his jersey retired.
Speaker 4: Hall of Famer obviously, you know, getting treated right. And
Speaker 4: I hope that him and his family enjoy this moment
Speaker 4: that they're going to have this weekend.
Speaker 3: And Logan, Logan, I know you you you you and
Speaker 3: I weren't around it for quite as long to see
Speaker 3: to see you know, hidjeogens like prime years. But I
Speaker 3: mean it's obviously you've heard the stories about how great
Speaker 3: he is.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean, growing up in the Washington area, that
Speaker 5: was the first jersey I got was er Yeah, and
Speaker 5: every year, you know, when you get bigger, you get
Speaker 5: new jerseys, and I always got his jersey. I still
Speaker 5: have his in my closet, and throughout the years, I
Speaker 5: was never embarrassed to wear that jersey. I was always
Speaker 5: excited about getting a new green jersey. And just you know,
Speaker 5: he's been such an important piece to this organization and
Speaker 5: it is so well deserved. And I can't wait to
Speaker 5: see what Washington does for him. I just know the
Speaker 5: videos that they're gonna post, they're gonna give me chills.
Speaker 5: So congratulations to him. I mean, I can't I couldn't
Speaker 5: think of anyone better to deserve that honor.
Speaker 3: Should be fine, should be a really really cool, historic
Speaker 3: moment for everyone involved. Everyone's gonna be able to be
Speaker 3: there to see the game, but guys, we will see
Speaker 3: you next week. Hopefully we are talking about a win.
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