1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: is Cow's Week in Review with Ryan cow Calahan. Here's 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: cal A sixty two year old fish pulled from Lake 4 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: Superior is thought to be the oldest ever lake trout 5 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: caught in the Great Lakes. The fish, which researchers dubbed 6 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: Mary Catherine, was collected at Klondike Reef in Autumn twenty 7 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: twenty three by researchers with the Michigan Department of Natural Resources. 8 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: It's not a giant at just under five pounds, but 9 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: what it lacks in size, I'm sure it makes up 10 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: for an experience. Lake trout live a pretty long time 11 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: for fish, with average life spans measuring twenty five to 12 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: thirty years, but Mary Catherine doubled the average and is 13 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: believed to have hatched around the year nineteen sixty one. 14 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: For the youngsters there, that was the year JFK became president, 15 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: the Berlin Wall began construction, and the first man orbited 16 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: the Earth. Researchers estimated Mary's age by counting the number 17 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: of rings visible on the fish's odolith or earstone. That's 18 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: a fancy name for a calsum carbonate structure in the 19 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,839 Speaker 1: inner ear like bone. This structure grows through the years 20 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: of a fish's life and produces rings that look like 21 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: the rings on a tree stump. After counting those rings 22 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: under a microscope, biologists determined that Mary Catherine lived through 23 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: the First Man on the Moon, the civil rights movement, 24 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: all nine seasons of Seinfeld, and the dawn of the Internet. 25 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: Was quite a life for that old fish, even if 26 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: she was blissfully unaware of all the changes happening on 27 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: the surface above her. Nice little reminder that it's not 28 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: all about length. Experience has something to do with it too. 29 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: I was at a pool, I was this week. We've 30 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: got agency politics, not so public land but new Land, 31 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: Japanese bears, and so much more of it. First, I'm 32 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 1: gonna tell you about my week, and my week, well, 33 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 1: my head's just spinning, staring at the calendar. I'm roughly 34 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: a month behind where I should be. Heck, I should 35 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: just be consumed with nothing but chasing grouse and partridge 36 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: with old snort and chasing buglen bowls up a steep 37 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: train with my bow and beer belly. But instead here 38 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: I sit, And because sit sounds loud like shit, listen 39 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: up people, bury your poop, flip a big rock over, 40 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: do your business and cover it completely at the bare minimum. 41 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: You know how many people use these areas. I know 42 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: you do because you complain about it. So be courteous 43 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: and cover up your feces. My girlfriend's long haired border 44 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: Collie is gorgeous, myrtle coloration boy, and he thinks he's 45 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: especially stunning covered in your effluent. I should and can 46 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: go into detail, but it's horrible. Old snort a dog 47 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 1: who I admit occasionally slips me the tongue inside my mouth. 48 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: Ate your poop. The other day, it was opening day 49 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: of bird season, and we were out not carrying a shotgun, 50 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: doing my nice boyfriend duty of spending quality time before 51 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: I get real busy chasing critters. And you do me 52 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: the discourtesy of surface pooping. That's just a kick to 53 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: the sack, bud. Here. I have an amazing bird dog 54 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: and an arsenal of scattered guns, and we weren't even 55 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: out there quote unquote competing with you on opening day 56 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: and you literally pooped in our mouths. Poop, shovel and 57 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: move on, or shovel and then poop and move on. 58 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: Whatever you do, be decent about it. Cripe's almighty, And 59 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: speaking of disgusting stuff, let's talk about how our elected 60 00:03:55,480 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: officials are treating our public lance. Yes, this is at 61 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: so buckle up or fast forward. If any of you 62 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: folks are wearing hats or glasses, best to remove them. 63 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: Right now. Two things are going on in conjunction, and 64 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: you need to be aware of this. You don't have 65 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: to agree on any of it, but you will recognize 66 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: how darned, lazy and unbecoming of our shared natural resources. 67 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: This is one roadless rule recision. Get to the federal register. 68 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: You can find the link at USDA and at Backcountry 69 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: Hunters and Anglers and TRCP to comment on this one, 70 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: and to the House. As in US House of Representatives 71 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: have voted to use the Congressional Review Act to rescind 72 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: resource management plans in Alaska, Montana, and Wyoming. Lots of acronyms. 73 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: This is going to make a heck of a drinking game, 74 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: but it's hunting season. That type of bodily mistreatment will 75 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: reserve for the doldrums, which are not hunting season. Listen up, 76 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: I'll tell you why this matters and put some of 77 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: the bs to bed. Roadless areas fifty eight million acres, 78 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: some of which overlaps with existing capital W wilderness protection 79 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: about twenty million acres or so, some of which overlaps 80 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: with areas that had previously been logged and roaded. Another 81 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: nineteen percent, which we'll call about twenty million acres. So 82 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: there's eighteen million acres left that has some kind of 83 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: in the middle status or in this case we'll just 84 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: say it is protected currently by this roadless designation. It's 85 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: relatively untouched, and it's spread in bits and pieces from 86 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: coast to coast over about forty states, the majority of which, yes, 87 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: is in the eleven Western states. All folks are talking 88 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 1: about when we talk about the roadless rule is timber. 89 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: We need to cut more wood for affordable housing, and 90 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: we need to cut more underbrush and deadfall, and yet 91 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: rid of this high heat fuel build up that could 92 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: erupt into a catastrophic wildfire. Well, the roadless rule doesn't 93 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: really prevent that wildfire management in the urban interface anyway. 94 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: That's right. We don't need to manage deep into wilderness 95 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: areas because what the hell is it going to burn? 96 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,799 Speaker 1: That stuff's been burning naturally or through human cause fire 97 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: Long before us white folks ever got out here. So 98 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: just leave it the hell alone. It's good for wildlife 99 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: on this premise alone. Rolling back the roadless rule is 100 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: a classic case of cutting off your nose to spite 101 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: your face. Now, green groups have been litigating efforts to 102 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: use the roadless Rule as intended, and it's led to 103 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: some of this consternation. They sue and sue and screw 104 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: up the intention of the rule. Some of the crap 105 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: has gotten us to where we are right now. However, 106 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: that's something we can fix without removing protections for fifty 107 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: eight million acres if folks were willing to sit down 108 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: and actually do the work. I've already told you that 109 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: this fifty eight million acres is not all the same. 110 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: You can't look at one acre in California and say 111 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: that is exactly like this one acre in North Carolina. 112 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: It is diverse ecosystems we're talking about. It needs to 113 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: be managed as such. This is, after all, our public lands. 114 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: They're not making any more of them. They're highly, highly valuable. 115 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: Why are they not treating them as such? On top 116 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: of that, y'all remember Doze right and the big chainsaw, 117 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: And we're saving money blah blah blah. Well, guess what 118 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: that tinderbox understory the fuels management. We hear about all 119 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: that stuff, the mechanical thinning, The humans are going to 120 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: get in there and hut away the fire danger. Well, 121 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: in order to make that happen, we the taxpayer have 122 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: got to pay people to remove that stuff. We don't 123 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: have the markets for that stuff to be profitable, such 124 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: as maybe paper pulp or woodpell at mills. Those economies 125 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: do not exist in close enough proximity to where this 126 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: work needs to be done. And right now, nobody is saying, hey, 127 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: the federal government is going to come in and pay 128 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: for this wildfire mitigation. In fact, the opposite is happening 129 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: right now where they're saying, we are going to immediately, 130 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: to the best of our ability, put out wildfire as 131 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: soon as it starts. Even when those fires are started 132 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: naturally and in areas that do not pose risk to 133 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: humans or structures. That type of management causes the build 134 00:08:54,360 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: up of catastrophic fire fuel. That's just the truth. I'm 135 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: gonna hammer this again. In the case of profitable timber, 136 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: marketable timber, which they're telling us we need to have 137 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: for affordable housing, even though if you look at the 138 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: housing market right now, what we're seeing is drop in 139 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: demand and an increase in supply. There are some areas 140 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: where there's some really choice timber, marketable timber close enough 141 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: to road systems that people do want to go get it, 142 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: such as in the Tongas up in Alaska. Stuff would 143 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: make some real pretty tubai force and people would make 144 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: some money. That is an area that is synonymous with 145 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: the roadless rule fight, and it always has been. So 146 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: if that's what you're talking about, that's what we need 147 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: to talk about. There are concessions that can be made 148 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: all over the place, but we need to talk about 149 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: those concessions specifically. A lot of this other stuff, like 150 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: that eighteen million acre donut hole in the middle of 151 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: this conversation I talked about in the very beginning, It 152 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: is too far away from roads and too far away 153 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: from mills to be marketable. The folks who love running chainsaws, 154 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: and I know a lot of these folks, they have 155 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: no interest in that stuff because it does not pay 156 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: for their fuel, it does not pay for the damage 157 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: to equipment, it does not pay for their time. When 158 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: we used to cut way deep into the forest, it 159 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: was often subsidized by you guessed it, the US government, 160 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: we the people. The US government. We the people built 161 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: the roads and the loggers followed. So what is this 162 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: currently about. What is rolling back the road to this 163 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: rule currently about? It's about gaining access to minerals. Possibly. 164 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: If that's the case, let's talk about that specifically. What 165 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: are the requirements and what is the need for those 166 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: mineral deposits? How many acres do you need. Let's quit 167 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: swinging the pendulum one way all the way over to 168 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: the other side, and then the next administration comes in 169 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: and swings it back all the way over to the 170 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: other side. The roadless rule is great. We need it. 171 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: It's working hard and doing what it's supposed to do 172 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: for a hell of a lot of Americans who really 173 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: really appreciate it. It provides a little buffer from the 174 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: crowds for US hunters and anglers, and anyone, especially in 175 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: these eleven western states, can attest that we need a 176 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: little buffer. This stuff is getting so busy again. Their 177 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: surface poop everywhere, long haired border collie, shell act and 178 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: yesterday's corn, the grossness type of busy. Okay, we need 179 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: some places where we can get away that stuff. Is 180 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: increasingly scarce and increasingly valuable. But if we really need 181 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: the mineral deposit or stand of timber, let's do the 182 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: seemingly impossible thing and talk about it. Come to the 183 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: conclusion that you may need a thousand acres here or there. Okay, 184 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: let's figure it out, but it's not fifty eight million. 185 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: And if you're really concerned about fire, we can't skip 186 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: over the fact that fire coincides with roads. The California megafires, scary, 187 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: nasty wall of death, heat that roars and flies like 188 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: a freight train going uphill, that type of scary it 189 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: overlaps with road access. Pull up your on AX motorized maps. 190 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: You can do it yourself. See how those things align. 191 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: Fire starts and road access go together. And I'm sorry 192 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: to say, boys and girls, this fuel's reduction talk has 193 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: been going on my entire life and for my whole life. 194 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: Nobody is willing to pay for mechanical thinning and underbrush removal. 195 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: So I just don't think we're having a real conversation now. 196 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: The Congressional Review Act, which is being used to rescind 197 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: management Plans Regional management Plans MPs CRA to our MP, 198 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: we talked about this earlier. You can rewrite a management 199 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: plan just like you can reform a roadless rule. A 200 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: regional management plan takes into account and consideration the stakeholders 201 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: at large and dissects the landscape into appropriate levels of 202 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: use for those stakeholders based off of that public feedback. 203 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: The stakeholders are you and me and every industry that 204 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: you can think of, from cattle grazers to conco phillips 205 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: and everything in between. This type of input makes sense, correct, 206 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: there are public lands. But right now our representatives want 207 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: to use the Congressional Review Act CRA, which is a hammer, 208 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: a bludgeon, not a fine tipped pencil, to destroy these 209 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: publicly facilitated management plans, which were put together not only 210 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: with public input, but with the best post possible available science. 211 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: And what you need to know is, by law, all 212 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: the good things in that RMP and the bad things 213 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: cannot be used again. That language can legally not be 214 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: used again. So even though let's put together right now 215 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: with the best input and the best science, if the RMP, 216 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: the Regional Management Plan is destroyed through use of the 217 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: Congressional Review Act, whenever this stuff settles down, we cannot 218 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: revert back to any of the good parts in that RMP, 219 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: even if it's in the best interest of extractive use, cattle, grazers, hunters, anglers, 220 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: you name it. This is lazy, lazy stuff, lazy management 221 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: for a very complicated landscape. We just cannot be okay 222 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: or absent from this conversation. If we won't care, who will. 223 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: This is America, after all, you can have your cake 224 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: and eat it too. Didn't we just come out of 225 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: this stuff with those gang weren't we screaming about waste 226 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: and fraud and abuse and government overreach. Well, let's not stop. 227 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the laziness and absenteeism and lack of stewardship. 228 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: This is all we got. And through the decision of 229 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: the roadless Rule and the use of the Congressional Review 230 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: Act to beat to death our regional management plans, we 231 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: as the people, are losing, not winning. We are literally 232 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: telling our elected officials, hey, why don't you take some 233 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: personal days? You've earned it. Vague and broad and sloppy 234 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: is good enough with us. We're happy with broad strokes 235 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: and no actual management or care for our very complicated 236 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: public estate. I know you're not that type of person 237 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: because you're listening to this here podcast. Go to the 238 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: Federal Register dot gov. Leave a comment on the recision 239 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: of the roadless rule. Call up the Capital Square Board 240 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: and tell your representatives and senators that this is just 241 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: not good enough. Do better. You wouldn't be happy with 242 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: this approach to your non native, water sucking green suburban lawn, 243 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: so why would you roll over and say it's okay 244 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: for a great and finite American public lands. Get involved. 245 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: If you're not advocating for yourself, somebody else will. Moving 246 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: on to the Texas Desk, great things are happening down 247 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: in Texas where the Centennial Parks Conservation Fund has started 248 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: to acquire and develop land to turn into new state parks. 249 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: Back in twenty twenty three, public lands in Texas took 250 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: a hit when the state says lost but sold off 251 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: eighteen hundred acre Fairfield Lake State Park, which was cited 252 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: on least land private power company that owned the parcel 253 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: sold to a developer and once you know what, that 254 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: developer turned the park into a golf course and luxury community, 255 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: which God knows we need more of. Losing Fairfield Lake 256 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: woke Texans up to the fact that seventeen in the 257 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: state's eighty eight parks also sit on leased land that 258 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: could be sold out from under them at any time. 259 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: That little fire for voters to approve Prop. Fourteen, which 260 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: allocated one billion dollars of budget surplus to a fund 261 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: that buys private land and develops it into publicly accessible 262 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: state parks. Already, the Centennial Parks Conservation Fund has purchased 263 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: three properties for a total of sixty two hundred new acres. 264 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: Two of those parcels will become the new Post Oak 265 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: Ridge State Park northwest of Austin, and the third will 266 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: add three thousand acres to the existing Enchanted Rock State 267 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: Natural Area about an hour's drive to the south. The 268 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: Centennial Parks Conservation Fund also allocates money to developing the 269 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: park's studying which animal species live on the parcels, figuring 270 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: out where to put the trails, and building the roads, 271 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: visitors centers, bathrooms, and maintenance areas. All the la less 272 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: sexy stuff that allows people to do the hiking, fishing, 273 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: bird watching, stargazing, and fresh air inhaling that are the 274 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: main attractions. Texas can definitely use all the parks you 275 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: can get. The state comes in thirty fifth in the 276 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: nation for state park acres per capita, and only around 277 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: one percent of its land is publicly accessible federal land. 278 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to seeing a lot more acres open 279 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: up down there. And hey, I know a lot of 280 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: Texans who own land. Listen to this show, so listen up. 281 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: If you have a few thousand acres in Texas you're 282 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: looking to unload, get in touch with the Texas Parks 283 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: and Wildlife Department and see if you can make a deal. 284 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: We'll still get a hangout on the land, and your 285 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: neighbors will too. On top of that, the meat eater 286 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: land access Initiative is about to ride again. We'd be 287 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: happy to help with securing public access through easement, purchase, 288 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: or any other type of agreement as long as we 289 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: get more huntble acres or fishaboll acres ideally both for 290 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: the public. Moving on to the fawn desk, the Kentucky 291 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: Department of Fish and Wildlife is dealing with blowback after 292 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: agency officials euthanized twenty two white tail fawnds that had 293 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: been illegally housed at a wildlife rescue facility. The animals 294 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: had been rescued from counties designated as CWD surveillance zones. 295 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: Kentucky law states that deer cannot be rehabilitated if found 296 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: in these zones, but the Broadbent Wildlife Refuge had taken 297 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: them in anyway. It's unclear whether they did so knowingly 298 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: or this was an honest mistake, but whatever the reason, 299 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: the Kentucky Wildlife Agency determined that these animals would need 300 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: to be euthanized to prevent the spread of CWD. It's 301 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: been a tough pill to swallow for employees and volunteers 302 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: at the rescue facility, who have told local media that 303 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: the animals did not show symptoms of the disease. These 304 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: fonds had been bottle fed by staffers, and I can 305 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: understand why those folks would be upset. To those unfamiliar 306 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: with the CWD issues, it seems like wildlife officials could 307 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: have found another way to deal with this situation. I 308 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: don't know if that's true, but the conversation on social 309 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 1: media has developed in exactly the ways you'd expect. Listener 310 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: Ethan Pugh wrote in to tell me that people have 311 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: been using ted nugent as a source to claim that 312 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: state wildlife agencies invented CWD, as a pretext for killing deer. 313 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: I've listened to Uncle Ted speculate that CWD is a 314 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: government conspiracy meant to reduce the food supply in the 315 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: United States, and it seems like that particular theory has 316 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: made its way to Kentuck. Others have compared the situation 317 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: to Peanut, the squirrel squirrel in New York that was 318 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: euthanized after someone illegally captured him and was keeping him 319 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: as a pet. Peanut also happened to be a social 320 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: media star, so I'm sure his owners weren't at all 321 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: motivated by money, but just by a love of squirrels. Anyway. 322 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: The reason wildlife officials have such strict rules around deer 323 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: movement is because CWD is an always fatal neurological disease. 324 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: The problem is, there isn't a good anti mortem test, 325 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: meaning a test that can tell you whether an animal 326 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: has while it's still alive and not killing it. The 327 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: only reliable way to determine whether that critter has CWD 328 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: and how much is to kill the animal and test 329 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: its brain or spinal material, including the lymphnotes. That's why 330 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,959 Speaker 1: wildlife officials in many states, not just Kentucky, call it 331 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: entire herds of deer rather than risk one of those 332 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: deer being infected and spreading the disease to other parts 333 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: of the state. It's a tough dilemma, but until there's 334 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: a reliable anti mortem test, we don't have any good 335 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: options in situations like these. As a side note, put 336 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: as much hurt on those white tails as you can, 337 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: especially in areas where they start competing with the noble 338 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: mule deer, which is very much hurting this day and age. 339 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: Moving on to the Wildlife commission desk, the Washington and 340 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: New Mexico Wildlife Commissions have been mired in turmoil in 341 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: recent weeks, and I'm here to give you all the 342 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: gory details. First. In Washington, governor has ordered an investigation 343 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: into the conduct of Wildlife Commission members after the Sportsmen's 344 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: Alliance revealed potential evidence of wrongdoing. The hunting rights organization 345 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: got their hands on emails and other messages between members 346 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: of the Commission ahead of a controversial vote in twenty 347 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: twenty two to end the spring bear hunt. The messages 348 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,959 Speaker 1: appeared to show the commissioners violating the Open Public Meetings 349 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: Act by agreeing amongst themselves on a decision about the 350 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: bear hunt before having an official public meeting. According to 351 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: a petition filed by the Sportsmen's Alliance, the commissioners would 352 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: meet in groups of three or four, then send one 353 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 1: or two representatives to lobby other commissioners. This created a 354 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: wall of support while skirting Washington's legal requirement that a 355 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: majority of members be present to constitute a meeting. The 356 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: petition reads quote, this is the very definition of a 357 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: political cabal flouting the public strong interest in transparent government. 358 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: When you read these thousands of pages as we have, 359 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: it is beyond obvious that this practice was a well 360 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: honed routine among Baker, lemcool Rowland, Smith, and former Commissioner Reagan. 361 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: We see often don't reply here and other devices deployed 362 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: to encourage daisy chaining as the preferred method to avoid 363 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: the Open Public Meetings Act. The result, unfortunately, is that 364 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: the actual commission meetings are clearly nothing more than a sham, 365 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: with a preordained decision well in hand before the public 366 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: is invited or allowed to participate in any meaningful way. 367 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: The current commissioners named in the petition are Barbara Baker, 368 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: Lorna Smith, Melanie Rowland, and John Lemcool In light of 369 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: these allegations, Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife Director Kelly 370 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: suswind requested Governor Bob Ferguson to launch an independent investigation. 371 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: Sus Winn said in a letter that he cannot operate 372 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: his department with a quote cloud of uncertainty created by 373 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: the current controversy. The governor agreed to investigate, but it's 374 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: unclear what changes, if any, will result. A similar situation 375 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: is playing out down in New Mechs, but the sides 376 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: are reversed. Their Governor, Michelle Luhan Grisham, removed District two 377 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: Game Commissioner Sabrina Pack from her seat last month, citing 378 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: a conflict of interest. The decision came just one day 379 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 1: after The Western Watershed Project published emails between Pack and 380 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: the president of the New Mexico Cattle Growers Association. In 381 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: these emails, Pack, who was also a media professional, was 382 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: advising the cattleman about a public relations campaign aimed at 383 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: shifting public sentiment around wolves. This campaign was meant to 384 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: quote elevate the voices of rural New Mexicans and others 385 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: living with the consequences of federal wolf management, shifting public 386 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: awareness and driving more balanced policy conversations across state and 387 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: national audiences. That doesn't sound so bad, but Governor Grisham 388 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: apparently thinks that a disqualified Pack from helping craft wildlife 389 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: policies in the state. I should note here that the 390 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: Cattleman's Association did not ultimately choose packs agency to help 391 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: them with their campaign. It's also true that wolves in 392 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: New Mexico are managed by the federal government, not by 393 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: the state Game Commission, so it's unlikely that Pack actually 394 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: broke any laws or had any actual conflict of interest 395 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: on any of the decisions that she made. Still, the 396 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: optics aren't great, and there's nothing she can do to 397 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: challenge the governor's decision. Now, jumping over to another topic 398 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: that's near and dear to my heart, charismatic gallinacious birds. 399 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: That's right, we're back to the prairie chicken. Seems like 400 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: every week brings another Endangered Species Act controversy, and this 401 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: week is no exception. A Texas District judge recently vacated 402 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: the ESA listing of the lesser prairie chicken, which had 403 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: been protected under the Act since twenty twenty two. This 404 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: species has been in political football for quite a while now, 405 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: It was first settled in twenty fourteen, before losing protections 406 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: after a twenty fifteen lawsuit. The lesser prairie chicken ruffles 407 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: so many feathers because its habitat covers much of the 408 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: Permian Basin, the highest producing oil field in the US, 409 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 1: as well as prime grassland that ranchers graze their cattle on. 410 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: The lawsuits challenging the listing were led by energy groups, 411 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: rancher organizations, and the states of Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma, 412 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: all of whom worry that ESA protections for the lesser 413 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: prairie chicken would cripple extraction and cattle operations. Remember the 414 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: cattle operations part. We've covered this before. We're going to 415 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: get back to it. Lesser prairie chickens definitely face long 416 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 1: odds no matter what. They won't nest around any tall 417 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: structures that remind them too much of the trees that 418 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: hold their natural predators like hawks and eagles. And this 419 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: goes for both windmills and oil derricks and high tension 420 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: power lines. Although industry groups and landowners say they've been 421 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: pursuing conservation strategies like shorter oil extraction equipment, conservation organizations 422 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: say it's not nearly enough. Ironically, the listing was struck 423 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: down due to part of the twenty twenty two decision 424 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: that actually protected fewer prairie chickens US Fish and wildlife 425 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: under the Biden administration divided the species into two populations. 426 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: It designated the northern group, living in central and western Kansas, 427 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: central Oklahoma, and Northeast Texas as just quote threatened a 428 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: lower level of protection. The southern group in New Mexico 429 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: and Southwest Texas had the higher endangered protections. Once the 430 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: Trump administration took over Fish and Wildlife, the agency said 431 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 1: that the decision to split the population into two parts 432 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: was so flawed that it invalidates the whole listing, and 433 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: David Counts, the judge in Western District of Texas who 434 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: issued the ruling, was appointed by Trump in twenty seventeen. Now, 435 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: of course, if I could have a magic wand, I'd 436 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: wave it all over the place and change the essay 437 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: in a few ways, as well as a lot of 438 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: people's opinions about how it could work. I'd make things 439 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: easier on land owners, including better recognition of private conservation efforts. 440 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: But the division of the species into two parts was 441 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 1: clearly a technicality used by one side of the fight. Here. 442 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: We'll see what happens to the issue when and if 443 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: there's another change in administration. But with the total number 444 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: of lesser prairie chickens sitting at around thirty four thousand 445 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: individuals and falling, these charismatic little dance and birds need 446 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: a break soon. Now. Lesser could be derogatory sounding to 447 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: some people, but that label is only there because it 448 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: closely is related to the greater prairie chicken. Both birds 449 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: are in the genus Timpanicus, which comes from the word timpani, 450 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: or kettle drum, because both birds stop their feet into 451 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: the ground over fifteen times a second to make a 452 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: drumming noise as part of their elaborate mating dance. The 453 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: lesser prairie chickens full species name is Tympanicus palidycinctus, meaning 454 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: pale around the edges. So another less insulting way to 455 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: refer to the lesser prairie chicken would be light bordered 456 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: kettle drum bird. I don't imagine this name is going 457 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: to catch on anytime soon, but we can at least 458 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: try to win these little guys a little more dignity 459 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: with everything else they have going on now. As for 460 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: grazing in the chicken, it is often, very often in 461 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: my circles, stated that ranchers can't ranch because there's an 462 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: endangered species on the ground. Cattle can't graze because somebody 463 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: found a lesser prairie chicken. I nor any of my 464 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: sources have been able to tell me where, when, and 465 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: who this has happened to. So I'm not calling total 466 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: bs because it very well could exist. But this often 467 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: sighted thing, this example of government overreach where a rancher 468 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: on his own private land or her own private land 469 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: was said, you can't let those cattle out of the gate. 470 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: There's prairie chickens out here. I cannot find that specific example, 471 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: nor has anyone I have ever spoken to been able 472 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: to say, oh, yeah, here it is, here's the case, 473 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,239 Speaker 1: here's the person, here's the ranch. I want to have 474 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: that conversation. So if anybody knows the where, the when, 475 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: and the who, please let's get him on this here podcast. 476 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: Ask c Al. That's ask Cal at the Meat eater 477 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, that's all I got for you this week. 478 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. You know, I appreciate it. Remember, 479 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: go to the Federal Register dot gov and leave a 480 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: comment on the roadless rule. Call your representatives, call your 481 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: senators and tell them what you think about this just 482 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: ham fisted management of the most precious resource that we have, 483 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: which is our America's public liance. Then right in and 484 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: uh tell me what you think. Ask c Al. That's 485 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: Askcal at the meat eater dot com. If you just 486 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: can't open the email machine, let's say you're driving. Remember 487 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: as of last episode, you can call four oh six 488 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: two two o six four four one. That's four oh 489 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: six two two zero six four four one. That's the 490 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: voice version of a s K C. A. 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