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Speaker 3: Welcome in to another special episode of the What's Try

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Speaker 3: with Nick Wright podcast and YouTube show. This is part

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Speaker 3: of our series the fifty Greatest Players of the last

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Speaker 3: fifty years in the NBA. Today we will reveal players

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Speaker 3: forty three through forty. There are some very familiar names

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Speaker 3: on this list we are, I mean, we're already getting

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Speaker 3: single most glaring omission from the NBA's just released top

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Speaker 3: seventy five list. Now, we've had a few people already

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Speaker 3: who I felt were unfairly excluded. After this name, we're

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Speaker 3: about to reveal, there's only one more person on my

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Speaker 3: But this person right here, in my opinion, his absence

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Speaker 3: that list in its entirety. This person is, of course,

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Speaker 3: the forty third best player of the last fifty years

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Speaker 3: in the NBA Dwight Howard.

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Speaker 4: For forty three Dwight Howard.

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Speaker 3: The fact that he was not included on the top

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Speaker 3: Dwight Howard, let's go over his resume five times. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna go slow on this. By the way, five times

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Speaker 3: All NBA First Team for context, that is more than

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Speaker 3: Dark Novitzky, Chris Paul, Kevin Garnett or as of this moment,

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Speaker 3: Steph Curry. None of those guys have as many first

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Speaker 4: He is a three.

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Speaker 3: Time Defensive Player of the Year APEX Dwight in Orlando

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Speaker 3: Career top fifteen all time and rebounds and blocks, and

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Speaker 3: he's five time First Team All NBA plus one time

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Speaker 3: it is really the biggest part of his case. There's

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Speaker 4: You saw it right there.

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Speaker 3: He finished second MVP voting once and he finished top

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Speaker 3: But how did Dwight peak? Dwight before his bat gave out?

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Speaker 3: realized was so great. Peak Dwight not only beat Lebron

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Speaker 3: Two thousand and eight to twenty fifteen, so the entirety

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Speaker 4: You don't do a tunnel on these shows, but it's good.

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like Dwight is viewed by a lot

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Speaker 3: I mean, you don't have a lot of recollection of

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Speaker 3: that is going to comment on Dwight Howard. I want

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Speaker 5: Question for you, Nick, if you took Moses Ballone's accomplishments

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Speaker 5: how would you be able to tell the two apart?

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so Rick is actually going a step

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Speaker 3: Dwight Howard and Moses Malone have similar resumes. They flatley

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Speaker 3: You're going to see him on this list. He's not

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Speaker 3: Dwight has four MVP top fives. Moses has three actual MVPs.

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Speaker 3: Dwight was the best player on a finalist, Moses was

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Speaker 3: Let's not go crazy and acting he and Moses Malone

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Speaker 4: They do not.

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Speaker 3: Moses Malone and his fellow Sixer teammate Julius Irving are

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Speaker 3: probably two of the most disrespected players in NBA history.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to them in a few months on this list,

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Speaker 3: number forty two is another controversial inclusion.

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Speaker 4: Number forty two Anthony Davis.

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Speaker 3: So Anthony Davis's top line resume is a clear, no

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Speaker 3: Moment ago, that's the same number Dirk and Kevin Garnett,

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to tell you some things I'm certain

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Speaker 3: you don't know about Anthony Davis. He is for his

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Speaker 4: I do believe.

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Speaker 6: Anthony Davis, always injured. Anthony Davis. Two playoff appearances in

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Speaker 8: Best fifty players the last fifty years in the NBA.

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Speaker 3: We are counting them down. We are already to number

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Speaker 3: The oldest name involved in today's edition is player number

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Speaker 3: forty one, and that is iconic Gary Pate. The glove

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Speaker 3: Those should be relatively simple. He has on the MVP front.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting he has won top three, as you can see,

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Speaker 4: I expanded it to six.

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Speaker 3: Because five separate times he came in sixth in MVP voting.

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Speaker 4: He won a Defensive Player of the Year. Why does

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Speaker 3: He is the only back court player to win Defensive

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Speaker 3: In the eighties, Jordan One Moncrete won backcourt guys could

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Speaker 4: So why is Gary not higher?

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Speaker 3: Because the playoff resume has some we're missing some spots. Now,

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Speaker 4: That matters.

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Speaker 3: That absolutely matters. It was the best he ever was

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Speaker 3: In two thousand, he had won great game against Utah

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Speaker 3: Thirty point career playoff games and his only career playoff

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Speaker 4: Where I don't think he gets enough credit as this.

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Speaker 3: He was a more than a rotation player for the

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Speaker 9: I'm Martin Weis. I'm about to tell you why Gary

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Speaker 9: Payton is a no doubt top twenty player of all time.

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Speaker 9: First of all, one of the two to three best

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Speaker 9: come on, one, seventeen year career, Hall of Famer, top

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Speaker 9: the history of the game, Top twenty without a doubt.

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Speaker 9: Talk to me, Nick, am I tripping?

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Speaker 4: All right, Martin, you're my guy. That's Martin Weiss. Great

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Speaker 3: There is no argument that can be made that he's

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Speaker 3: This is not too many other point guards. So like

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Speaker 3: Chris Paul. Just doesn't exist. Chris Paul is also the

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Speaker 3: His other accolades far out strip Gary. There's not a

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Speaker 3: Kid was the best. So now we've got what seven

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Speaker 4: But I do appreciate that young Martin is.

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Speaker 3: Respecting his elders and respecting what a great defensive player

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Speaker 3: Gary Payton was, and maybe I should give him a

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Speaker 9: Number forty, Steve Nash.

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Speaker 3: So you guys know this already, back to back MVP.

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Speaker 4: Have shot more, if he would have shot more threes.

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Speaker 3: If they would have had the data that we have now,

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Speaker 3: you're too young to remember this, but Joe Johnson was

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Speaker 4: They lose.

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Speaker 3: it's not like he didn't have great playoff moments. Despite that,

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Speaker 4: He truly broke through the year. He one league MVP.

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Speaker 3: They are playing Dirk, his old team, his old teammate Dallas,

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Speaker 3: move on, here's what Steve Nash did to get to

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Speaker 4: To beat his old team, to beat Dirk Game four,

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Speaker 3: So now it's two to two Game five, thirty four,

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Speaker 4: following year. Down three to one to Kobe and the Lakers.

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Speaker 3: Now wasn't great Lakers team, but down three to one

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Speaker 3: in the first round, how do you do?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: He goes thirty two and thirteen in Los Angeles in

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Speaker 3: Game six and then beats Kobe in a Game seven,

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Speaker 3: the famous game where Kobe refused to shoot in the

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Speaker 3: second half. So a three to one comeback against Kobe

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Speaker 3: when he's the best guy that's got a matter from

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Speaker 3: during his three years of when he won league MVPs

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Speaker 3: and almost one a third in the playoffs in the

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Speaker 3: playoffs twenty one and eleven on fifty to forty ninety

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Speaker 3: in the playoffs over that three year stretch, and then

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Speaker 3: the brief Steve Nash kind of renaissance when it looked

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Speaker 3: like the Sun's run was over. They make another Western

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Speaker 3: Armends Finals in twenty ten, and in Western Arms Finals

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Speaker 3: Game five, it's two to two against the Lakers, the

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Speaker 3: defending champion Lakers. Is a chance to break through and

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Speaker 3: get your first NBA Finals. He has twenty nine and

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Speaker 3: eleven and that's the game the Suns had won, and

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Speaker 3: then metalworld Piece tips it in and the Lakers go

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Speaker 3: up three to two, and once again there's a big

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Speaker 3: what if with Nash. So his apex didn't last quite

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Speaker 3: as long as some other guys because he got started slow,

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Speaker 3: because he wasn't really the centerpiece of a guy until

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Speaker 3: he'd been in the league damn near a decade. But

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Speaker 3: once he was the centerpiece of a team, they damn

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Speaker 3: near reinvented basketball. He's the fortieth best player despite his

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Speaker 3: defensive limitations of the last fifty years.

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Speaker 4: Let's get to our Steve Nash caller.

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Speaker 10: Question for you, Nick, do you think that nash is

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Speaker 10: back to back MVPs have actually hurt his legacy That

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Speaker 10: so many people make a point of proving that he

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Speaker 10: didn't deserve back to back MVPs. The pendulum has actually

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Speaker 10: swung too far, and if he just had the one MVP,

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Speaker 10: it'd be like, yeah, you know what, he deserved that MVP,

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Speaker 10: But the fact that he got back to back people

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Speaker 10: want to knock him down. Maybe having one would have

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Speaker 10: been better than having too.

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 3: I think it's an interesting point by Wilds, my buddy,

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Speaker 3: that does the back to back MVPs thing almost get

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Speaker 3: used as a cudgel against Nash because we look back

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Speaker 3: on it, we're like, oh my god, he shouldn't have

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Speaker 3: been back to back MVP. To a degree, I agree

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Speaker 3: with him that it maybe gets used against him in

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Speaker 3: some barroom arguments, but I.

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Speaker 4: Don't think it's for me.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't get used against him when people who know

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Speaker 3: what they're talking about stack him up against the other

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Speaker 3: all timers, because just like with Shaq, you don't hold

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Speaker 3: against him the only one one. He probably should have three.

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Speaker 3: I don't really I don't add a ton to nash

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Speaker 3: his case because he has that second MVP. It's more,

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Speaker 3: there was this brief three year stretch of time where

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Speaker 3: he was one of the five best players in the league,

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Speaker 3: and that is immensely valuable. He's as similar as the

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Speaker 3: situation that Dwight had. There's a stretch of time we

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Speaker 3: are consensus one of the five best guys. The fact

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Speaker 3: that he won a couple MVPs doesn't help him as

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Speaker 3: much as some might think it should, but it certainly

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Speaker 3: doesn't hurt him in my eyes. Now, had he won

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Speaker 3: a third straight, which he almost did, and the list

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Speaker 3: of guys with three straight MVPs are Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain,

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Speaker 3: Larry Bird, and Steve Nash, that wouldn't have been great.

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Speaker 3: That might have got him kicked off the list on principle,

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Speaker 3: but they didn't.

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Speaker 4: Dirk ended up winning it. Okay, there it is. We

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Speaker 4: are through players fifty through forty.

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Speaker 3: Next week we start with player thirty nine and listen,

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Speaker 3: I'm not so to spoil the list, but nothing will

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Speaker 3: get people to tune in like a promise of the

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Speaker 3: ratings bonanza that is next week's episode. Bob McAdoo prominently

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Speaker 3: featured to see that