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Tune in is Matt Smith and 2 00:00:32,598 --> 00:00:35,119 Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the 3 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,759 Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history. 4 00:00:37,839 --> 00:00:39,638 Speaker 2: Joined by the newest member of the Patriots Hall of Fame, 5 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 2: Mike Gravel. 6 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments 7 00:00:42,519 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight. 8 00:00:45,239 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 3: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian 9 00:00:47,959 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 3: coy or joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, 10 00:00:50,519 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 3: but number one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison. 11 00:00:53,439 --> 00:00:55,719 Speaker 3: Good to be home, Good to see you guys. 12 00:00:55,799 --> 00:00:58,519 Speaker 1: Search for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast. 13 00:01:00,319 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 3: Good morning, all right, as promise, Michael, Caleb Jones and 14 00:01:06,878 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 3: I always tell the players it's nothing more important in 15 00:01:08,759 --> 00:01:11,879 Speaker 3: practice and the show teams definitely help us with that. 16 00:01:11,919 --> 00:01:13,559 Speaker 3: Doesn't matter if you're a starter or if you're on 17 00:01:13,598 --> 00:01:16,439 Speaker 3: a practice team, like they make contributions for the opposite 18 00:01:16,479 --> 00:01:20,239 Speaker 3: side of the ball. Caleb Jones, Joe Milton, Eric Johnson, 19 00:01:20,839 --> 00:01:25,799 Speaker 3: John Giles, Mitch Willcox, and Mark Perry were are practice 20 00:01:25,799 --> 00:01:28,639 Speaker 3: players of the Week last week, which kind of leads 21 00:01:28,639 --> 00:01:30,079 Speaker 3: me into this week. You know, I thought the player 22 00:01:31,079 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 3: you know, did a good job changing the page and 23 00:01:33,359 --> 00:01:36,158 Speaker 3: you know, trying to correct the mistakes that we've made 24 00:01:36,199 --> 00:01:39,158 Speaker 3: throughout the season. They went out there with great energy. 25 00:01:39,159 --> 00:01:41,639 Speaker 3: I think as a team, we need to have energy, 26 00:01:41,719 --> 00:01:43,359 Speaker 3: especially from the start of the game. This is a 27 00:01:43,399 --> 00:01:45,798 Speaker 3: fast start team that we're playing, and so we need 28 00:01:45,839 --> 00:01:49,039 Speaker 3: to make sure that we're ready to go. Fortunately, look 29 00:01:49,039 --> 00:01:51,159 Speaker 3: as daylight saving time, we you know, we gained an 30 00:01:51,199 --> 00:01:55,719 Speaker 3: hour there and then gain another hour because it's Central time, 31 00:01:55,799 --> 00:01:58,159 Speaker 3: right Central time, so really kind of like a three 32 00:01:58,199 --> 00:02:00,199 Speaker 3: o'clock start for us, which is kind of awkward. But 33 00:02:00,239 --> 00:02:02,439 Speaker 3: I think the guys are they'll be ready to go 34 00:02:02,559 --> 00:02:07,159 Speaker 3: and excited to play. That was especially proud of the 35 00:02:07,159 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 3: way the receivers responded, you know, throughout the week of practice, 36 00:02:11,559 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 3: you know, just the extra work that they put in 37 00:02:14,799 --> 00:02:18,319 Speaker 3: in the in the classroom and also on the football field. 38 00:02:18,599 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 3: They had a great week of practice. You know, we 39 00:02:20,358 --> 00:02:22,719 Speaker 3: did one on ones this week. They they went out 40 00:02:22,719 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 3: there and competed, They caught the ball well, and hopefully 41 00:02:25,038 --> 00:02:29,238 Speaker 3: that transfers over to the game. So excited to see 42 00:02:29,239 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 3: what those guys can do. And I'm excited for really 43 00:02:31,879 --> 00:02:34,439 Speaker 3: just us as a team to learn how to string 44 00:02:34,519 --> 00:02:37,879 Speaker 3: them together and that that's ultimately our goal. I know 45 00:02:37,918 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 3: a lot of questions will be probably about Drake, and 46 00:02:40,959 --> 00:02:43,279 Speaker 3: I'll just tell you guys just so I can, you know, 47 00:02:43,399 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 3: save you guys from having to ask the question. Is 48 00:02:45,599 --> 00:02:48,119 Speaker 3: he is still in the protocol. So he is still 49 00:02:48,119 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 3: in the protocol and going through that process. So, uh, 50 00:02:51,359 --> 00:02:54,999 Speaker 3: he'll be limited. He has been limited this week so far, 51 00:02:55,719 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 3: but he'll he'll be limited today as well. Fire away 52 00:03:01,559 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 3: with him still being in the protocol? Is it possible 53 00:03:04,599 --> 00:03:05,599 Speaker 3: with where he's stayed. 54 00:03:05,399 --> 00:03:05,918 Speaker 4: From the protocol? 55 00:03:05,959 --> 00:03:08,399 Speaker 3: Right? Accouts on there? Yes? 56 00:03:13,079 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 4: All right, later, how is the week? 57 00:03:17,439 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 2: You know, we asked you earlier about the uncertainty of 58 00:03:21,199 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 2: that position and how the offense might have to be 59 00:03:23,239 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 2: tweaked depending on who's in there. So how have you 60 00:03:25,519 --> 00:03:27,279 Speaker 2: guys handled it through through. 61 00:03:27,159 --> 00:03:28,039 Speaker 4: Two days of practice? 62 00:03:28,119 --> 00:03:30,159 Speaker 3: Yeah? I would say the one thing that's not a 63 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,719 Speaker 3: massive difference, like having just you know, the ultimate scrambling 64 00:03:33,799 --> 00:03:37,239 Speaker 3: Michael Vick quarterback versus the ultimate pocket passer, Like, it's 65 00:03:37,239 --> 00:03:40,079 Speaker 3: not that that big of a contrast or difference as 66 00:03:40,119 --> 00:03:42,079 Speaker 3: far as game planning, but there are certain, you know, 67 00:03:42,159 --> 00:03:44,919 Speaker 3: certain things that we've had to tweak and those guys 68 00:03:44,919 --> 00:03:48,199 Speaker 3: have handled it well. And not just at the quarterback position, 69 00:03:48,279 --> 00:03:49,999 Speaker 3: but I think all of the guys, you know, the 70 00:03:49,999 --> 00:03:53,119 Speaker 3: offensive line, receivers, tight ends, running backs, they're all in 71 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:54,799 Speaker 3: tune to what we have to do, no matter who 72 00:03:54,799 --> 00:03:56,959 Speaker 3: the quarterback is. Do you see Joe. 73 00:03:56,959 --> 00:03:59,079 Speaker 2: Development over the course, you're particularly when. 74 00:03:58,999 --> 00:04:01,959 Speaker 3: It comes to handling the scout, Joe's done a great job. 75 00:04:01,999 --> 00:04:04,599 Speaker 3: I would say for Joe, he's a natural leader first 76 00:04:04,599 --> 00:04:08,519 Speaker 3: and foremost. He gets those guys going, which is great. Obviously, 77 00:04:08,559 --> 00:04:10,319 Speaker 3: you know, he has all the skill set and tools 78 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:12,279 Speaker 3: to go out there and and make all the throws. 79 00:04:12,319 --> 00:04:14,519 Speaker 3: But I would say just from his mentality and leadership 80 00:04:15,599 --> 00:04:17,879 Speaker 3: evolution or progress, I think he's doing a good. 81 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:22,118 Speaker 4: Job of maagu up to speak of the passing game general, 82 00:04:22,119 --> 00:04:24,679 Speaker 4: you know the Titans have the number one rate defensive. 83 00:04:25,359 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, overall this this defense is good. You know, we're 84 00:04:28,959 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 3: very good. They have their top five and a lot 85 00:04:31,879 --> 00:04:34,518 Speaker 3: of categories. What I would say is, you know, at 86 00:04:34,599 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 3: least for those guys, it starts up front. You know 87 00:04:36,318 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 3: there they are very good upfront. Uh sweat and obviously 88 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 3: Simon Simmons are very disruptive players, and so we're gonna 89 00:04:43,039 --> 00:04:45,079 Speaker 3: have to do a good job tying in you know, 90 00:04:45,119 --> 00:04:48,638 Speaker 3: the protection and the route concepts and the quarterback play 91 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 3: to neutralize that and saying that no matter who the 92 00:04:51,558 --> 00:04:53,998 Speaker 3: quarterback is, I think we just can't sit back in 93 00:04:53,999 --> 00:04:56,119 Speaker 3: the pocket. I think we need to move around. You 94 00:04:56,159 --> 00:04:58,759 Speaker 3: have to change the launch point, whether that's through boots 95 00:04:58,879 --> 00:05:01,638 Speaker 3: or you know, through drop back past nineties, all those 96 00:05:01,639 --> 00:05:05,639 Speaker 3: things will definitely help us. Has Drake been able to 97 00:05:05,678 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 3: increase his practice participation. 98 00:05:07,198 --> 00:05:07,958 Speaker 4: Throughout the league? 99 00:05:08,879 --> 00:05:12,238 Speaker 3: He's been he's been limited. I don't really want to 100 00:05:12,239 --> 00:05:14,758 Speaker 3: get into all that stuff, but he's still in the protocols. 101 00:05:16,318 --> 00:05:18,158 Speaker 2: Are you are you open that he'll be able to 102 00:05:18,159 --> 00:05:19,999 Speaker 2: be clear? You said as possible, But are you are 103 00:05:20,039 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 2: you feeling like they could realistically. 104 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,878 Speaker 3: Have any any given day, any given day, any given 105 00:05:26,879 --> 00:05:29,679 Speaker 3: player can just wake up with something and not be 106 00:05:29,678 --> 00:05:32,119 Speaker 3: able to play. I don't want to get into the hypotheticals, 107 00:05:32,519 --> 00:05:35,638 Speaker 3: which what do you see production? I will say this like, look, 108 00:05:35,678 --> 00:05:37,879 Speaker 3: if you can't play, then we have enough confidence and 109 00:05:37,919 --> 00:05:39,639 Speaker 3: faith in Joe that you know he'll be able to 110 00:05:39,639 --> 00:05:41,439 Speaker 3: step in and help us win win a football game. 111 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,639 Speaker 4: You know, you Cob, but you said, Joey. 112 00:05:44,919 --> 00:05:47,879 Speaker 3: Jacoby, sorry, we were just talking about Joe. Sorry, Jakoby, 113 00:05:47,879 --> 00:05:48,759 Speaker 3: thank you. 114 00:05:49,159 --> 00:05:49,758 Speaker 2: Marco Wilson. 115 00:05:49,799 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 3: It feels like we haven't heard his name called in 116 00:05:51,359 --> 00:05:52,759 Speaker 3: a while, which is obviously a good thing. At the 117 00:05:52,759 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 3: cornerback position, Marco one of I mean, I would say 118 00:05:55,879 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 3: Marco has perhaps the best feat of any of our corners. 119 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,679 Speaker 3: He's a very quick, quick twitch guy. He's doing a 120 00:06:03,678 --> 00:06:04,399 Speaker 3: good job for us. 121 00:06:05,678 --> 00:06:08,518 Speaker 2: Jon Baker, you know, has anything different the last week 122 00:06:08,599 --> 00:06:11,199 Speaker 2: or so, which is in terms of his engagement. 123 00:06:11,239 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 4: Obviously he's gonna. 124 00:06:12,039 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 3: Came out, Yeah, the last the last you know, the 125 00:06:13,879 --> 00:06:16,639 Speaker 3: last couple of weeks. He's put together great weeks of 126 00:06:16,719 --> 00:06:19,318 Speaker 3: practice and and now you know, hopefully he gets an 127 00:06:19,318 --> 00:06:21,678 Speaker 3: opportunity to go out there and and place some receiver. 128 00:06:21,799 --> 00:06:24,518 Speaker 3: He's an explosive player, and uh, we need to see 129 00:06:24,519 --> 00:06:25,998 Speaker 3: that on Sunday's got. 130 00:06:26,119 --> 00:06:29,439 Speaker 4: A lot of numbers just on the roster at that position. 131 00:06:31,399 --> 00:06:34,399 Speaker 4: The balance between like getting the young guy like him 132 00:06:34,399 --> 00:06:38,559 Speaker 4: in there versus having the experience of like kJ is 133 00:06:38,558 --> 00:06:40,759 Speaker 4: that sort of reaching may be a breaking point where 134 00:06:40,759 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 4: like you got to sort. 135 00:06:41,558 --> 00:06:44,518 Speaker 3: Of yeah, it's always tough, you know, I wanting to 136 00:06:44,519 --> 00:06:47,318 Speaker 3: win now and also you know, to develop players. But 137 00:06:47,359 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 3: that's something that we've had to deal with since you know, 138 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,158 Speaker 3: training camp and you know, earlier in the season. So 139 00:06:52,399 --> 00:06:54,238 Speaker 3: those guys do a good job though, preparing as if 140 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,519 Speaker 3: they're the starters, and we'll see what they can do. 141 00:06:57,239 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 4: I received its now we responded this week. 142 00:07:00,599 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 3: Could you get into specifics about what you saw from 143 00:07:03,639 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 3: the problems that translated into a dean like them bouncing 144 00:07:07,039 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 3: back and having a much better Yeah. I would say, 145 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,199 Speaker 3: you know, first, there weren't a lot of balls on 146 00:07:10,239 --> 00:07:12,718 Speaker 3: the on the ground. I think that was first and foremost, 147 00:07:12,719 --> 00:07:14,679 Speaker 3: and that goes back to focus. And I would also 148 00:07:14,719 --> 00:07:17,039 Speaker 3: say those guys came out with good energy knowing that 149 00:07:17,399 --> 00:07:19,519 Speaker 3: you know, the last week just wasn't good enough. And 150 00:07:19,719 --> 00:07:21,359 Speaker 3: you know, I think we all look forward to those 151 00:07:21,359 --> 00:07:24,159 Speaker 3: guys going out and putting, uh putting on a good 152 00:07:24,159 --> 00:07:29,559 Speaker 3: performance logistically talently. Can we make a decision created is. 153 00:07:29,519 --> 00:07:31,479 Speaker 1: It something where it's like, you know, you get a 154 00:07:31,519 --> 00:07:34,239 Speaker 1: supportant kickoff of an active or does that the fact 155 00:07:34,239 --> 00:07:36,719 Speaker 1: that he's in the protocol now impact that you. 156 00:07:38,359 --> 00:07:39,999 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the fact well, once it gets out of 157 00:07:39,999 --> 00:07:42,759 Speaker 3: the protocol, I think I think we feel, you know, 158 00:07:42,759 --> 00:07:45,479 Speaker 3: he's been cleared by the medical professionals, he'll be ready to. 159 00:07:45,399 --> 00:07:49,639 Speaker 2: Go drag whyt to ask you something that you said 160 00:07:49,639 --> 00:07:53,518 Speaker 2: at the end of your opening statement on Wednesday, and 161 00:07:53,919 --> 00:07:55,959 Speaker 2: you just sort of describe what you wanted to see 162 00:07:55,958 --> 00:07:57,439 Speaker 2: at the end of the year. If you want to 163 00:07:57,439 --> 00:07:59,518 Speaker 2: be a team that no one wants to play at 164 00:07:59,559 --> 00:08:01,719 Speaker 2: the end, what does that look like to you? 165 00:08:01,799 --> 00:08:04,158 Speaker 3: What does that mean to you? To me, it's a 166 00:08:04,239 --> 00:08:07,759 Speaker 3: team that has progressively gotten better week after week after week. 167 00:08:07,999 --> 00:08:11,718 Speaker 3: And that's what it looks like. Is there like a 168 00:08:12,359 --> 00:08:14,159 Speaker 3: we've been on the flip side of that, you know, 169 00:08:14,479 --> 00:08:16,359 Speaker 3: I remember as a player being on the flip side 170 00:08:16,399 --> 00:08:18,999 Speaker 3: of that where you know you're already in the playoffs, 171 00:08:19,039 --> 00:08:20,639 Speaker 3: but at the same time you want to make sure 172 00:08:20,679 --> 00:08:22,319 Speaker 3: you keep it going. I mean, that's a lot of pressure. 173 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:24,839 Speaker 3: We want to be that team that you know, I 174 00:08:24,839 --> 00:08:26,519 Speaker 3: don't know what the records are going to look like, 175 00:08:26,559 --> 00:08:28,839 Speaker 3: but but when those guys turn on the film, they 176 00:08:28,919 --> 00:08:31,719 Speaker 3: see a team that's flying around, physical and happy to 177 00:08:31,719 --> 00:08:33,999 Speaker 3: be out there and playing winning football. And when it 178 00:08:33,999 --> 00:08:35,639 Speaker 3: comes to getting better, when it comes to the run 179 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,879 Speaker 3: game and the run defense, where did you see spinker 180 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 3: mental change in the last game and what things are 181 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,279 Speaker 3: you're still hoping to improve on this I think it 182 00:08:41,319 --> 00:08:43,599 Speaker 3: just starts with the assignments first and foremost, and then 183 00:08:43,879 --> 00:08:46,919 Speaker 3: really it comes down to defeating the guy across from me, 184 00:08:46,958 --> 00:08:49,399 Speaker 3: whether you're talking about the offensive lineman moving the defensive 185 00:08:49,399 --> 00:08:52,039 Speaker 3: line or the defensive lineman really you know, using their 186 00:08:52,078 --> 00:08:54,239 Speaker 3: block destruction tools and going out there getting off blocks 187 00:08:54,279 --> 00:08:58,118 Speaker 3: and making tackles, paid for them, and practice yesterday and 188 00:08:58,239 --> 00:08:59,879 Speaker 3: just simply came to deal with what to be done. 189 00:09:00,199 --> 00:09:02,999 Speaker 3: We'll see how. You know, he's he's limited, he'll be 190 00:09:03,079 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 3: limited today as well. We'll see how it goes. 191 00:09:06,999 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 2: A protocol question for you. 192 00:09:08,239 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 3: When I'm not the protocol expert, I am not the 193 00:09:11,999 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 3: protocol expert. 194 00:09:13,479 --> 00:09:15,119 Speaker 1: When the player does have a concussion, does he have 195 00:09:15,159 --> 00:09:16,239 Speaker 1: to be cleared on Saturday? 196 00:09:16,319 --> 00:09:17,519 Speaker 2: Or can he be cleared on Sunday? 197 00:09:17,599 --> 00:09:21,039 Speaker 3: How does that? I wish I'm not the protocol expert. 198 00:09:21,079 --> 00:09:24,879 Speaker 3: And that's a Jim Whalen question or Matt Fuller or 199 00:09:24,879 --> 00:09:37,399 Speaker 3: one of those guys, not me. Ah, where's Stacey? There's 200 00:09:37,439 --> 00:09:40,119 Speaker 3: a law If there's a law like that, No, I'm 201 00:09:40,159 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 3: just saying he does a fantastic job as well. But 202 00:09:42,479 --> 00:09:44,399 Speaker 3: if there's a pause like that, you got to say, 203 00:09:44,479 --> 00:09:50,399 Speaker 3: all right, last one. 204 00:09:54,039 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 2: Is has he shown to you when he's been on 205 00:09:57,079 --> 00:09:59,599 Speaker 2: the field, that he's somebody who could be a left 206 00:09:59,639 --> 00:10:01,759 Speaker 2: tackle for you guys long term. 207 00:10:02,039 --> 00:10:05,119 Speaker 3: Absolutely one word to describe him. I've used his word 208 00:10:05,199 --> 00:10:07,639 Speaker 3: and passes steady. You don't want to hear his name called. 209 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,359 Speaker 3: That's a good thing. Thanks guys. 210 00:10:12,639 --> 00:10:15,479 Speaker 1: Patriots Playbook join John Brook as he brings you all 211 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:18,879 Speaker 1: the latest Patriots Talk, an expert commentary direct from Patriots HQ. 212 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: The show features interviews with New England and Opponent beat 213 00:10:21,959 --> 00:10:24,039 Speaker 1: writers that bring you a unique media view of the 214 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: state of the team. 215 00:10:24,759 --> 00:10:27,519 Speaker 2: But where the Patriots are concerned, Let's just get one 216 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 2: thing done, and let's get it done right and and. 217 00:10:30,159 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: Then we can worry about versatility. Am I lying to 218 00:10:32,479 --> 00:10:35,239 Speaker 1: anybody here? Let's just get one thing done. 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