1 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to the new Dungks podcast series One on one. 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Today's guest is Rod Benson, an author, artist, comedian, and 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: former professional basketball player who played D one hoops at Cal, 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: for a number of D League teams and overseas in France, Taiwan, 5 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: and Korea. In fact, he's big in Korea. He probably 6 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: has that T shirt. If the name sounds familiar, you 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: might remember too much. Rod Benson the old blog back 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: in the Yahoo Sports Ball Don't Lie days. I loved 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: his writing, then I loved working with him, and I 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: love his new book, Different Dude, where Rod tells some 11 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: candid and hilarious stories from his career. So let's check 12 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: it up. I guess Winter keeps and let's go one 13 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: on one with Rod Benson. All right, we are here 14 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: with Rod Benson. Rod, I really appreciate you jumping on. 15 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: I want to jump right into your book, my guy, 16 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: because Different Dude starts with you writing. Sorry, it took 17 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: so long. I was busy being an athlete. So how 18 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: long has this book idea been percolating? And what finally 19 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: made you write it? 20 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of funny. 21 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,279 Speaker 3: You're the first person to ask me that, but really 22 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 3: it's I never had intention to write a book, but 23 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 3: so many people when I was playing, especially people who 24 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: didn't want me to stick around the D League, would 25 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 3: be like, you know, if you write a tell all book, 26 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 3: it's going to expose this and this. And I'm like, 27 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 3: I don't want to. But after twenty years of people 28 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 3: telling me that I should, I'm. 29 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: Like, maybe I should. I don't because I have a 30 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 2: lot to say. 31 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: Uh, for sure, you do. And this is like, it's 32 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: such a unique book and it honestly took me back 33 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: to the to the blog boy days of us at yeahoo, 34 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: sports and ball don't lie because you know, for the 35 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: most part, these are short chapters, short stories. And what 36 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: really surprised me, and I want to get your reasoning why, 37 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: was like the book is anything but linear, right, I 38 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: mean that's obviously my choice. Like your second chapter in 39 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: the book is about you retiring from basketball for the 40 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: first time, So like, what was your thinking behind that, 41 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: you know, not going, okay, here's me playing youth basketball, 42 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: and then here's me, you know, eventually going to college. 43 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: And then and then the g slash dally Like why 44 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: this sort of jumping around sort of approach to this book. 45 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean two real reasons. One, I think the 46 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 3: linear story format is kind of boring. 47 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you. 48 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 3: It's just just another story about someone's career arc. But also, 49 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 3: I don't think basketball, I don't think pro sports really 50 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 3: is that linear. 51 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 2: I didn't feel that linear. 52 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 3: I try to tell my story in terms of like 53 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 3: different moments that started different thoughts. 54 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: So the opening chapter is about me slapping. 55 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 3: A guy, but that was like really me, like the 56 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 3: day I chose to be a basketball player, And the 57 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 3: first retirement story is like the first time I tried 58 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: to retire but couldn't, So like at the end of 59 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 3: the book you get the real retirement story, right, So 60 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 3: these things build on themselves so that like by the 61 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 3: end you have this like clear emotional picture of what 62 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 3: basketball was. 63 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: A big part of your basketball career is in Korea, 64 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 1: where I believe you were for like a decade or 65 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: at least close to it and had a lot of 66 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: success there. What was your favorite part about playing professional 67 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: ball in Korea? And then maybe your least favorite part 68 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: of living there or playing hoops? 69 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, just from a basketball perspective, Korea was awesome. 70 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 3: It's super technical. Essentially, if you like play can play 71 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: technical style basketball, you have success there. But you know 72 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 3: what I liked about Korea the most is like if 73 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 3: you do good, they'll hook you up. Like all these 74 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: places have bonuses and stuff like that, but in Korea 75 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 3: it's like you have one job and that's get buckets, 76 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 3: and if you do it, the world is yours baby. 77 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 3: Like I was in the malls buying all sorts of backpack. 78 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 3: I couldn't fit any clothes, so just like accessories and glasses. 79 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember my social media back then, Yeah, 80 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 3: I looked like a million bucks. They gave me a 81 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: million dollars worth of things, and I've had to say 82 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 3: something I didn't like. I mean, it's just real cutthroat now. 83 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 3: For me, I lasted a long time. But most guys 84 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: come to Korea for like two weeks and then never 85 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: get a chance again because they ran into me or 86 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 3: some other guy who's been there a long time. And 87 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 3: the Koreans are very like results driven. So here to 88 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: dag one tomorrow and. 89 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: What was your like, what was your schedule like then 90 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,559 Speaker 1: for like a calendar year of playing pro hoops in Korea? 91 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: Like how long is the season? How long were you there. 92 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: I know in the book you write about like at 93 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: times like as soon as that last game's over, soon 94 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: as the finals are wrapped, I'm on the plane to 95 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: go to Coachella or come back. But like like sort 96 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: of talk me through, I'm trying to wrap my head around, 97 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: like how long you were there each year? 98 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, most overseas seasons start in August, with 99 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: the first game of the season being around mid October, 100 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 3: so there's like always like a two month training camp 101 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: and then the season regular season usually ends early March, 102 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 3: and then a month to a month and a half 103 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 3: of the playoffs. So really i'd be there like nine 104 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: months and i'd be back for three and those three 105 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 3: months we were going hard. 106 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: Yes, yes you were. And I have followed you on 107 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: social media for a very long time, and I even 108 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: remember some some boom though summers or whatever you want 109 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: to call them, of what you and your guys would 110 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: get up to Vegas parties and like, yeah, you were 111 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: definitely living it up there for a couple of years. 112 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: Man. 113 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 3: There was one summer I think it was twenty twelve 114 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 3: where like a few of my homies like sat me 115 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 3: down like an intervention before I went back to the season, like, bro, 116 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 3: are you gonna be all right this year? Like I 117 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 3: haven't seen you work out, I haven't seen you do this. 118 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 3: I'm like, trust me, I got this. And then that 119 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 3: was the Coachella year, I think, and I won MVP 120 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: that year, and then they were all like, bro. 121 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: We're never gonna question you again. Whatever you're doing in 122 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: the off season, it's gonna leave you to it. 123 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: Do you like that's interesting? Like do you ever? I 124 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: mean you never Okay, you got so close to making 125 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: the NBA. I think that's fair to say. You obviously 126 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: went to a ton of training camps summer leagues, was 127 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: caught by surprising the book that you tried out or 128 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: you were on the Raptors Summer League team, and it 129 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: sounds like you thought that was maybe your best chance 130 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: to have made a professional NBA roster. Then you had 131 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: the injury, I believe. But like you know, you are 132 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: a different dude, hence the title of the book. Do 133 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: you ever feel like I just I didn't go or 134 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: how do I put this? Like these people athletes are 135 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: sort of psychos. I think you would even agree with that. 136 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: The elite of the elite, But you have other interests, 137 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: You have other things that intrigue you, like do were 138 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: you ever like if I had only one hundred percent 139 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: put everything in the basketball, you know, I would have 140 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: been the league or I would have done this or 141 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: is that silly to even say? 142 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: Uh? 143 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's fair to say if 144 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 3: I had gone ten percent hard or whatever that means. 145 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 3: But you know, my first three four years out, we 146 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: were going pretty hard. Like I was in Sacramento training 147 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 3: with Gus Eric Arnstead, the lineman from the forty nine ers. 148 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 3: His dad trains everybody in Sacramento, and we would do 149 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 3: like two or three days getting the weight room, like 150 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 3: I was sleeping in a place with like four other dudes, 151 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 3: like just training like we did all that, But I'd 152 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,239 Speaker 3: say that I still wasn't the dude who like showed 153 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 3: up six hours before a game to shoot like a 154 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 3: thousand jump shots like no, right. And I know a 155 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 3: lot of guys who did that and are not in 156 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 3: the league. They're just guys. 157 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh. 158 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 3: And further, like a lot of that stuff is for 159 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 3: you know, training, your know, the repetition training. 160 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: But for me, my strength as a basketball. 161 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 3: Player is that I could like very quickly like patternize 162 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 3: and understand things so realistically. Like I mean, if I 163 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 3: had worked on dribbling a lot, maybe I would have 164 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 3: been a point guard or something. But other than that, 165 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: I pretty much maximized the things I could do just 166 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 3: from understanding the game better. 167 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: So I really didn't think I had to work as hard, right. 168 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: And then there's this part that keeps coming up in 169 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: the book that you know, especially for me again working 170 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: with you at Yahoo. I couldn't believe it, but it 171 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: felt like you blogging had some effect at least on 172 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: some of these teas. This idea like I don't know, 173 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: this guy's writing about crazy things and he might expose 174 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: us or whatever, Like this idea that you blogging. No, 175 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: I think now a day's like no one would even blink. 176 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: But back then, I guess it was pretty unique for 177 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: an athlete like yourself to be writing such things for yeahoo, 178 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: but like, did that did that hurt you your chances 179 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: to go pro in the NBA? Is that fair? Because 180 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: it comes up a couple times in the book. 181 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: Man, It's it's crazy that you don't remember that. 182 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 3: I feel like it was like there's like a lot 183 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: of controversy about this, Like in the book. I use 184 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 3: Bill's emails to set this up, but you know, ridiculous 185 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: upside was writing stuff about it all the time, like yeah, 186 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 3: other publications were like why isn't Rod Benson in the 187 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 3: NBA And they would interview gms and they'd be like 188 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 3: on the low, like we don't want he talks too much. 189 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 3: And at the time I was just writing about like 190 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 3: steak and shake and stuff like that, like uh, you know, 191 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 3: Larry Bird asked me to stop writing entirely when I 192 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 3: got to the Pacers, and you know, in setting it up, 193 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 3: he was like, we the mouse in the palace, Jamal 194 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 3: Tinsley shot himself. We can't have any other distractions, and 195 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 3: equating me writing about steak and shake to shooting myself 196 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 3: and looking back and knowing all these different systems the 197 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 3: way I do now, it's just I mean what I'm 198 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 3: about to say, when people are doing kind of weird, 199 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 3: shady things, they don't want a true teller near him, 200 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 3: like right. And I was young enough to not know that. 201 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 3: I was just like so like honest that it made 202 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 3: people upset. And I was just like, what, I don't 203 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 3: get why this is wrong. 204 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: I think that's why I guess I was naive too, 205 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: Like when you asked that to start, like you didn't 206 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: really remember this. It's like I didn't think it was real. 207 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: I just think there's no way what you were writing 208 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: under the too much Rod Benson for balldah Lai would 209 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: have like any impact on your actual basketball skills and 210 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: what you could bring to a team. It's like, but 211 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: it did. And I guess like they just don't. They 212 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: want to remove any possibility of any issues at all. 213 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: And I guess you writing something that they could assume 214 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: or or say, oh, yeah, he's telling too much or 215 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: he's he's wild. I don't know. 216 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 3: I think if I was in the league now or 217 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 3: in and around the D League now, I'd be doing 218 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 3: something else that would trigger them the same. Because the 219 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 3: thing is, it's just a matter of you know, once 220 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 3: they did the social media awards and they could control 221 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 3: it or like you know, earn money from it. Yeah, first, 222 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 3: of course it was a you know, but that was 223 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 3: three four years after I left. But when you're in that, 224 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 3: when you're in that, you know, back in the days. 225 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 3: I'm thinking of my boy, Richard Minchley, he played at 226 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 3: Cal and then he's a scout for Atlanta and now 227 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 3: I think I want to say he's with the Brooklyn Nets. 228 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: As a scout. 229 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 3: But the first day he got hired, he called me 230 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 3: and he's like, Okay, now that I see what we do, 231 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 3: like you'll never get signed. Like now that I actually see, 232 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 3: he's like, there's no way, there's no way it's ever 233 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: going to happen for. 234 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: You, bro. And I was like, damn, it's like that. 235 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 3: He's like, oh no, it's like that, like you're you're 236 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 3: x Nay, it's not happening for. 237 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: You because you're not what like a robot And okay. 238 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 3: Pretty much, I mean I'm kind of oversimplifying it, but 239 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 3: you know, like any business, like any power structure. 240 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 2: There's still like men in the room. 241 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 3: And you know, a lot of people didn't like me 242 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 3: as a player because I was a thinker instead of 243 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 3: like a talker more, you know, And so you. 244 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: Know, there's a lot of guys who think I'm bad 245 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: at basketball. He's just got lucky. He's like, no, I 246 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 2: think about things differently than you. That upset people. That 247 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 2: upsets people. I upset coaches. 248 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 3: Like again, if you just know, like if you're just 249 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 3: smart and good at your job, you're gonna upset somebody 250 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 3: at your job, and in basketball it's no different. And 251 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 3: the people at the top want to stay at the top. 252 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 3: So keep it, keep everything suppressed a little bit. 253 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: Sure, you run a Bill that is your agent, Do 254 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: I have that correct? 255 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? 256 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 1: And you include in the book, you know, like emails 257 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: that Bill is sent to either yeah, I guess ridiculous 258 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: Upside or other teams or like, you know, trying to 259 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: big you up, like look at all the rebounding numbers 260 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: and all this. I love that addition. Was it trippy 261 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: to go back and like sort of revisit these emails 262 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,599 Speaker 1: and reread these emails? 263 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Oh yeah, I didn't. 264 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 3: I didn't plan on including the emails or any of 265 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 3: the art stuff. I just really just started writing the 266 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 3: book and then thought that would be fun to like 267 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 3: add any email. And I was like, because I'm going 268 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 3: through these like trying to find all this old material 269 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 3: to cherry to drug my memory, and I'm like, oh, 270 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 3: Bill used to write some wild emails, Like did he really? 271 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I kind of depending on how you hear 272 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 3: the book, Like if you hear it, you won't get this, 273 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 3: but if you read the physical copy you can see 274 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 3: where I redacted. 275 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 2: All the names. 276 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, he sent some of these emails to like two 277 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 3: hundred NBA personnel and it's like Rod Benson is a 278 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 3: better rebounder for minute than Dwight Howard. 279 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 2: You guys, you gotta get on board. And I'm like, 280 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 2: this is a wild thing like that. I just got it. 281 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: At the time. I was like, am I that good? 282 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 2: I don't think I'm that good. You're over selling me, Bill. 283 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that it's all redacted at Pacers, retected, 284 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: at Spurs, retected at whatever te you about. 285 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 2: It's so funny. 286 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: Well, Bill's in your corner. He's trying to make a 287 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: point here. But oh, Soga, do you have a favorite 288 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: story from the book? I mean, how many are there 289 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: in total? Like it, there's at least like one hundred 290 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: sort of little. 291 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like one hundred and twenty stories in the book. 292 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 2: Do you have a. 293 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: Favorite or at least a favorite two that you that 294 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: you wrote. 295 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 3: I'll tell you the one that I think is missing 296 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 3: from the addition that you have, oh, which I think, like, 297 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 3: you know, cause I added this story later because I 298 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 3: think it really contextualizes a lot of what the youth 299 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 3: side of being this is. But the story goes we 300 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 3: you know, I was like twelve or thirteen, and my 301 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 3: mom just said, we're going to La. We were in 302 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 3: San Diego. She put us in the car and we 303 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 3: went up to La. We went to like the city 304 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 3: of Industry technically, like a place with a bunch of 305 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 3: office parks, and my grandmother was there. Now, my grandmother 306 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 3: was famously very unkind like she didn't let me keep 307 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 3: toys at her house or anything like that, okay, And 308 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: so like she like ran out and gave me a hug, 309 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 3: and she was like, oh my god, I'm so happy 310 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 3: to see you. 311 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: You're so handsome. And I was like, what's happening. 312 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 3: Like I'm like six foot one now, and she hasn't 313 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 3: seen me in a couple of years, so she's. 314 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 2: Like hyped that I'm all tall. Okay. So then she 315 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: walks me into. 316 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 3: The office park, and I guess I meet all her 317 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 3: coworkers who all take pictures with me, like stretch my 318 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 3: arms out, like stand back to back and are like, wow, 319 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 3: you're really gonna you really gonna be something. And then 320 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 3: she took me outside alone, and she was like, when 321 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 3: you get rich and famous, don't forget about it. 322 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: Don't forget about us? 323 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 3: Whoa and I and I say in the book, I 324 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 3: say like, I'd never forget about you. 325 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: I lied. 326 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 3: And then she looked up at me and the sun 327 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 3: was in her eyes and she goes, don't worry. Don't 328 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 3: white girl like Kobe? 329 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: See, holy Whoa, this is your grandmother. Yeah, it's okay, 330 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: I haven't No. That definitely is not in the in 331 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: the version I have of this book. 332 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 3: In the in the version that's on sale, that's the 333 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 3: third story, and it's called white Girl Like Kobe. 334 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: Okay, you know what's okay? This is interesting because I 335 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: did hear you on the True Hoop podcast talking to 336 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: the guys there, and you said you got in this 337 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: conversation about how writing this book it felt like it 338 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: changed your perspective a little bit on the relationship with 339 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: your mother and then your father, who is absent a 340 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: big part of your life, and how it like has 341 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: sort of flipped. Don't know if you want to speak 342 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: to that or it can speak to that, but that 343 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: was really, you know, sort of jarring and definitely interesting 344 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: or fascinating. 345 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's wild because you know, I started this 346 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 3: project and I wanted to do stories. So I have 347 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 3: like ten fifteen stories in my head. 348 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: That makes sense, but that's not enough. 349 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 3: So I'm like, great, I got to I played basketball 350 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 3: for fifteen twenty years. I got to remember more than 351 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 3: twelve stories. 352 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 2: Idiot. 353 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 3: Like, So I started like teaching myself how to remember 354 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 3: the past better different like mnamonic devices. And when you 355 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 3: do that and you just remember like so much of 356 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 3: your life more clearly. You can kind of see moments 357 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 3: where like you could have gone left or right and 358 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 3: like why you went left and why you went right. 359 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 3: And it's just really interesting that all of that led 360 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 3: me to like kind of just uncover that my family 361 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 3: been lying to me my whole life about my dad 362 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 3: being a deadbeat, which is wild because I kind of 363 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 3: play I'm in the book, but you know, the book 364 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 3: is like just a perspective I had at the time. Yeah, 365 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 3: but that perspective was given to me. It was it 366 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 3: wasn't earned. And when I earned my perspective, it was like, 367 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 3: oh damn. There's a lot of there's a lot of 368 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 3: food gazing. Its not just I mean again, it's like 369 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 3: it's not just my family. It's like a lot of 370 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 3: the structures we have like if you just get told 371 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 3: one lie at one time, you just go on believe 372 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 3: in it forever. Sure, And in my life that's how 373 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 3: that played out. My family wasn't really about me, But 374 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 3: I'm not alone in that and it made me who 375 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 3: I am now. So I'm not going to sit here 376 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 3: and complain about it forever. 377 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. But so it's like they sort of pushed your 378 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: father out of the picture and then told you what 379 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: they wanted to tell you. That type of thing. But 380 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: you've reconnect like or at least connected, it sounds like 381 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: with with your dad's sort of sense writing this a 382 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: little bit more. 383 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, in the last two months, I've spoken to my 384 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 3: dad three times and on the phone, and before that 385 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 3: we'd spoken zero times in like twenty years. 386 00:16:54,360 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow wow, I mean, like, look, this is like 387 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: a lot is. You and I could not look more different. 388 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: You know, Rod's a six times black guy. I'm a 389 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: five ten white guy. I'm a Canadian, He's American. But 390 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: there are so many things in this book man that 391 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: I like, I don't know I connect into it that 392 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: that hearing that on the True Hoop podcast. You know, 393 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: I have a very weird relationship with my father. As well, 394 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: the uh just the time of you living in this book, 395 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: you know, sort of pre cell phones and stuff like that. 396 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,719 Speaker 1: I was like, oh yeah, you know remember that. So 397 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: there was a lot of things that were clicking for me. 398 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: And of course all all your love for basketball and 399 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: mine as well. But that's that's fascinating to hear the 400 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 1: sort of switch or like you said, like you just 401 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,239 Speaker 1: believe something and you're like, Okay, I mean it's my 402 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: mother and my grandmother and my family telling me this, 403 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: it must be true. And then as you get older 404 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 1: and learn about it. 405 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 3: Like every time you watch an NBA game and they 406 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 3: and and officiating goes super crazy, you're like, god's tim donnahy, 407 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 3: Like what's the truth here? Like, and the thing is 408 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 3: like you're probably right, Like the NBA has kind of 409 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 3: cooked right now, And I think people can feel like 410 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 3: that's the lie who's lying to me? 411 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 2: Right? Who was like, how come I don't know the 412 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: scores anymore? 413 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 3: I just know like that Lebron's kid is like like 414 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 3: doing poorly at USC Like we don't know anything. 415 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 2: It's just what they give us. 416 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. So like again, like I think my problem when 417 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 3: I played was that I was giving people something that 418 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 3: the NBA wasn't like giving themselves, and that could they 419 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 3: If you can't control a narrative, you can't control a 420 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 3: person's like future an outcome. 421 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you follow the NBA closely? Did you ever? 422 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: Don't care for it? Where are you with like your 423 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: love or dislike for the NBA. 424 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 3: I used to watch it a lot more in the 425 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 3: last three four years. It's just kind of gone off 426 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 3: the rails to me. 427 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 2: A little bit. 428 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 3: I was talking to my buddy about this the other day. 429 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 3: But you know, Lebron scored forty thousand points like ten 430 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 3: years ago. I thought I'd be having like a like 431 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 3: a full cocktail party for the for the affair. 432 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 2: Like you guys, he's done it. 433 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 3: The greatest has arrived, you know the could Donch just 434 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 3: scored seventy three and I didn't even watch the highlights, 435 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 3: didn't really care. 436 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 2: And I don't think I'm alone in that. 437 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 3: I think when you keep devaluing the you know, scoring specifically, 438 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 3: it just makes it kind of hard to watch. It's 439 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 3: hard to understand I personally, And you know I've said 440 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 3: this on other platforms. We got to start the petition 441 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 3: three in the corner. They already got the lines basically 442 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 3: drawn out. As soon as that line been straight, you 443 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 3: can't stand there more than three seconds. And see if 444 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 3: that I think that would make the game so much 445 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 3: more interesting. 446 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: Three in the corner that way, like like a defensive 447 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: three second rule or offensive yeow yeah yeah, So you 448 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: can't just stay there, you can't park there, You got 449 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: to move out camp Park. 450 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 3: The only reason we have three in the key now 451 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 3: is because they couldn't stop, like lu Al Cinder and 452 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 3: Will Chamberlain, Will Chamberlain. Yeah, Like, okay, if you let 453 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 3: him stand there, he's just going to score a lot. 454 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 455 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 3: If you let someone stand in the corner all game 456 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: and shoot three's, they're going to score a lot too. 457 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 3: So if you want the game to move again and 458 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 3: feel different, I say, chart tax someone for standing there, 459 00:19:58,560 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: give them three seconds interesting. 460 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: In your games in Korea or a lot of your 461 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: overseas games, did you play forty minute games for game? 462 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 2: Yeah? 463 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, see I'm a huge fan of that. I watch 464 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: at least when the Olympics come around and World Cup stuff. 465 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: I love all that you know, and Team Canada is 466 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: now suddenly good. I'm a huge fan of the forty 467 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: minute game as well. I don't know if you have 468 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:17,959 Speaker 1: an opinion on it. 469 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 3: I think that the I mean I didn't like it 470 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 3: so much before, but the fee before Matt is producing 471 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 3: better basketball and better basketball players forty minutes the rules 472 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 3: that like, I mean, I'm not going to sit here and. 473 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 2: Say that refs overseas are better. I think it's just 474 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 2: a hard job. Yep. 475 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 3: But I think that the basis of things, like the 476 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 3: things you know can't happen there don't happen, Like. 477 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 2: You will get a travel call right away if. 478 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 3: You do somethingwhere with your feet, even if you think 479 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 3: it's like what do I do? 480 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 2: Travel doesn't matter? 481 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 3: We don't do that here, like, and that keeps thing 482 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 3: like that's why all their best players are coming here 483 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 3: and becoming our best players. 484 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 2: Right, you don't make the. 485 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 3: Best basketball players anymore. I'm sorry to tell everybody. They're 486 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 3: all coming out of a place with an E at 487 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 3: the end of the name, Serbia, Croatia, Liuania. 488 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 2: They're making the best ones. 489 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's true. And the way yeah, you're right. 490 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: This the style of play, of course, and the movement 491 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: and passing and stuff like that. A lot of the 492 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: best players can do all that. To go back to 493 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: when you were young. I'm just fascinated by this because 494 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: I remember growing up with kids that were just super 495 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: tall for their age, and it felt like some of 496 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: these kids were basically pressured into playing basketball. It's just 497 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: a hey, you're tall, you should play hoops. Was that 498 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: the case with you when you were you know, sprouting 499 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: up and suddenly you were six feet tall when you 500 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,239 Speaker 1: were twelve? Like where people just like, yeah, you got 501 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: to play basketball. I know you played volleyball as well, 502 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: but where they're like, yeah, you got to pick up 503 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: a ball. 504 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 3: There was a little of that, but I wasn't the 505 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 3: tall list, okay, And so you know, if I was 506 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 3: just like about town, sure maybe, but like kind of 507 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 3: where I grew up, the social economics of it all 508 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 3: like no, in fact, that kind of I don't. I 509 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 3: think this is in the version you have, But there's 510 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 3: a story called sat GPA where I talk about, you know, 511 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 3: the fact that this AAU coach basically found when I 512 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 3: was sixteen and was like, I'm sorry, you snowboard, what 513 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 3: are you doing right? You got to get you to 514 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,239 Speaker 3: a basketball court because before then it was just I 515 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 3: was just kind of floating around my high school's number 516 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 3: one in San Diego. They didn't really need me, huh. 517 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,959 Speaker 3: I was more like just like pressure to be an 518 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 3: athlete in general. Thing is the only black kid around 519 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 3: all these white people. There's like, well he's fast, somebody, 520 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 3: get get him a ball, give him something? 521 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 2: Right. 522 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: Did you do you ever regret not maybe not regret, 523 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: but like you were a good volleyball player, like you 524 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: were recruited pretty heavily. Do you, first, I guess, do 525 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: you still play at all or beach volleyball or anything 526 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: like that, or and do you ever have like, Wow, 527 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: I wonder if I went sort of that route. I 528 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: know it's not like you're not making huge, huge money 529 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: maybe in the volleyball scene, but if you have a 530 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:46,719 Speaker 1: passion for it. 531 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I ever really had a passion 532 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 3: for it. I think I just liked it. It was 533 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 3: the first sport that I was good at. I really 534 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 3: wanted a Letterman jacket, like every fifteen year old, and 535 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 3: I was like, which sports are going to get me 536 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 3: this damn jacket so I can go out with Amber 537 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 3: because I think she's amazing or whatever. 538 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: And like none of that happened. 539 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 3: But you end up just playing these sports because you're like, 540 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 3: I don't know, You're just trying to prove you're like 541 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 3: a man kind of. 542 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 2: But I definitely don't play volleyball anymore. 543 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 3: I tried to do like a rec league a few 544 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 3: years ago, and I was like it was the best 545 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 3: one they had in Santa Monica, like one of the 546 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 3: best places for volleyball, and I was so much better 547 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 3: once I kicked into gear that it was like unfair 548 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 3: and weird. So it's like, what am I doing? And 549 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 3: I just really haven't tried since. 550 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: And do you still do that with basketball? Like do 551 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: you ever show up to the to the why and 552 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: and you know, hoop and kick the snot as people 553 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: or sorry, have you given that up? 554 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 3: There's like literally no point in me doing that. I 555 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 3: guess like to stay in shape. But there's really two outcomes. 556 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 3: I win and people are like, well what was Johato 557 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 3: would be doing the or I lose and they're like, wow, you. 558 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 2: There's the dude. 559 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 3: From TMZ van van Lathan. 560 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 561 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, he used to play at the La Fitness a lot, 562 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 3: and so I'd be there like this is in Hollywood. 563 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 2: It was like twenty fifteen. This is like while I 564 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 2: was still actually actively. 565 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 3: Playing, but I wouldn't go hard at all, so because 566 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 3: I just wasn't trying to get hurt, et cetera. And 567 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 3: one day someone like pissed me off. So I just 568 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 3: started going like super hard and I scored every point 569 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 3: like literally, the other team couldn't do anything that was good, 570 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 3: like when you really turn it on, Like they couldn't 571 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 3: pass anywhere. I just stole every pass, blocked every shot. 572 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 2: Dunks was like. And we ended up winning. 573 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 3: And then afterwards van leythen comes up to me, he's like, 574 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 3: man like, so you really do this? 575 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 2: Huh? Like yes, my guy, Like, I'm sorry, I can't 576 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 2: show it here, there's no point. 577 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I could see why because some people think, again, 578 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: athletes at your level, you're you're so good because you 579 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: can never turn it off. That's what some people think, right, 580 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: So no matter what run you're at, be it NBA, 581 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: G League, overseas or a YMCA run, you will just 582 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: be always locked in, you know, crazy MJ style. But 583 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: you're saying, why would I do that? And you're just 584 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: sort of getting a run in whatever, just sort of 585 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: staying in shape a little bit. But when you want 586 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: to turn it on, you would dominate the average the 587 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: amateur player. 588 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 3: I would say, actually, that's that's a really good way 589 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 3: to describe all that, because I think that is what 590 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 3: separates athletes from I mean, nothing's one hundred percent, but 591 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 3: more athletes are like can get there quick. 592 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 2: But it starting there. 593 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 3: That's how you end up with like crazy, the crazy 594 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 3: people who like abuse and like get into trouble and 595 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 3: stuff because they never turn it off. That's very rare. 596 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 3: You can turn it on in a moment's notice. That's 597 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 3: like there's some like this is super random, but something 598 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 3: I've thought about a lot. 599 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 2: Any athlete listening to this is probably gonna laugh. 600 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,719 Speaker 3: But if you've ever played like a real game, like 601 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 3: a like a professional basketball game and you have to 602 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 3: go to the bathroom at halftime. 603 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 2: It's so weird. 604 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 3: Your body's so up, like so up, and then you're 605 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 3: just like did a dead stop and like silence and 606 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 3: a toilet and it's like it's like so. 607 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 2: Unnatural and weird. It's weird. You can feel your body like. 608 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 3: Wow, I am not normal right now, Like I might 609 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 3: have to handle this after the get There's some guys 610 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 3: who literally have to like take a number two right 611 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 3: before a game because their body just gets so riled. 612 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 2: Upright, like it just shoots out of them. Oh. 613 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: We we have this theory with Anthony Edwards earlier this 614 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: week he missed tip off. I don't know if you 615 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: saw this, Like he wasn't there for tip off. They 616 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: got a delay a game. I think Nikhil Alexander Walker 617 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: had to start for him. They said he was stretching 618 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: in the back and doing resistant bands TK. Trey is like, no, 619 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: he was taking a dump, for sure, he was. He 620 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: was on the toilet a little too long. 621 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that happens. Yeah. 622 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 3: I mean you hear the national anthem, You're like, oh, 623 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 3: I got to get back out there. 624 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: Like too late. You missed it. Bruh uh. 625 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: Speaking of you being good at basketball, one of my 626 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: favorite chapters was I believe it starts with you saying quote, 627 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: I used to consider myself the best basketball player in Vancouver, Canada. 628 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: Laughed out loud at that. You had a relationship with 629 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: a girl up there. She was from there. I guess right. 630 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: So you were up there a decent amount and you 631 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: talk about like going and hooping at like Saint Kitts 632 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: and then some of the gyms, and you know, maybe 633 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,479 Speaker 1: you were at the time or you're at you're at 634 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: the very least run the short list of one of 635 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: the best players at that time in Vancouver. 636 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 3: I think I was like my competition at that time 637 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 3: was like Robert Sokre. 638 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and. 639 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 3: I think that was it like a bunch of like 640 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 3: street guys, Like there wasn't you know. I'm sure there 641 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 3: was some guys in some college somewhere, but I was, 642 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 3: you know, I was a pro. 643 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 2: Right we're talking like twenty and sixteen, like I was. 644 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 3: I was legit, Like I would go to Canada and 645 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 3: be like, this is what you have, this is this 646 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 3: is the bit you have to offer. Wow, that's a 647 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 3: whole different culture for Team USA exactly is. 648 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 1: Well, hopefully they were nice to you at least while 649 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: you were kicking their ass. Were they saying sorry. 650 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 3: They were That kind of sucks the Canadians being nice 651 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 3: while playing sports is so frustrating, Like oh, hey, you 652 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 3: do it to me again, Like what do you mean 653 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 3: do like some mean dunk? 654 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 2: Like you get punched me or something like ah anything, 655 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 2: Look like we don't need to go for smoothies after this? 656 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 2: Hold out? What are we doing right now? 657 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: Were wired differently up there? It's gonna be competitive hopefully, 658 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: but yeah, we're gonna be kind about it. One thing 659 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: that's that shocked me is like a little later on, 660 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: you're sort of like, you know, getting to the end 661 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: of your playing career. I guess wanted a bit of 662 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: a paycheck. You sign up for this three on three 663 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: tournament and you go to Saudi Arabia, I guess to 664 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: play in this thing. But you even admitted like you 665 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: thought you're just gonna show up and sort of dominate again. 666 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 2: You are a professional. 667 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: Basketball player, and that is the opposite thing that happened, 668 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: and like it's a different game and probably just the 669 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: obviously you were playing like super late at night, but 670 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: that was sort of must have been shocking that you're like, 671 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: oh wait, hold on, I'm not. 672 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 3: Kicking as Everything about Satudi Arabia was wild, from like 673 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 3: landing in an airport on a fully empty plane to 674 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 3: like two hundred people in like well like burkas where 675 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 3: you couldn't see nothing but their eyes. Yeap overstaffed, like 676 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 3: because it's kind of like a military bunker. 677 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 2: I don't know, it's super weird. 678 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 3: But the basketball man, a lot the dudes doing three 679 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 3: on this signe started picking like putting together that the 680 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 3: best basketball players are now like all Croatian, Lithuanian, Serbian 681 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 3: because they are dominating that space and these aren't like 682 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 3: I thought that, man, there's gonna be some short guys, 683 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 3: and they they were a little smaller than NBA size. 684 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 3: But I saw like six different teams from those areas 685 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 3: who have like all six seven six' eight guys who 686 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 3: can do, everything can do, everything and it's just me 687 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 3: out here getting like one point little post ups and 688 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 3: you know it's. Two it's a two and one. There 689 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 3: so the scoring is super unfair. Anyway SO i, Mean 690 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 3: i'm like drenched in sweat at three, am losing In 691 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 3: Saudi arabia at all These lithuanians. 692 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 2: That are cussing me. OUT i can't grip the. 693 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 3: Ball my hands are so, sweaty And i'm just like 694 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 3: give this, up, Bro like what are you still doing? Here? 695 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 2: Rod you're old. 696 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: That that was a bit of a, like oh one 697 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: of MY i should maybe think of. 698 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 3: Retiring well THAT i think that chapter ends with me 699 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 3: saying that's the second TIME i. 700 00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: Retire, right you'd have retired a couple. Times was it 701 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: the type of three on three where if the team, 702 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: scores like then you just take the ball and you 703 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: continue to play if you're. Done, okay that IS i 704 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: did that for the first time not long. AGO i 705 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: didn't grow up playing three on three that. Way you, 706 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: know you check it, up we take a little break 707 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: for a. Second that constant three on, three that's that's. 708 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 3: Insane it's truly like the most physically taxing version of 709 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 3: Basketball i've ever. Played, yeah, Okay and that's why the 710 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 3: two for one matter is even more because if you 711 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 3: can get an open three is spotting, up you use 712 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 3: way less energy than you do backing someone down, Right 713 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 3: and then you only have four guys in your team 714 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 3: and you can only sub like during a dead, ball 715 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 3: and everyone's. Exhausted so like the good teams are so 716 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,959 Speaker 3: used to, like, hey just one, guy you, know it's your. 717 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:43,479 Speaker 3: Turn it's your. 718 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 2: Turn we were like put together where we tried to 719 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 2: do that and one guys LIKE i need another thirty 720 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 2: seconds come, In like what do we? Do like we 721 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 2: were all so dead at the start of these. 722 00:30:54,560 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: Games oh, kay here's a fun one. Again you went 723 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: to mini, camps you were at summer, leagues you trained 724 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: WITH nba. Teams do you did you in the, time 725 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: have a FAVORITE nba player in being around that was 726 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: maybe kind to you or you just were, like, oh you, 727 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: KNOW i thought that person was. Cool it turns out they. 728 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: Are so who was your FAVORITE nba? Player and then 729 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: OBVIOUSLY i want to know if there was a dickhead 730 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: or two that you just couldn't. 731 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 2: Stand. Man, Yeah i'll get to the. 732 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 3: DICKHEADS i guess WHEN i for the FIRST nba EXPERIENCE 733 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 3: i had for real was training camp with THE uh 734 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 3: with the nets, Okay AND i don't, KNOW i guess 735 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 3: BECAUSE i was really looking for, Guidance Like Vince. 736 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 2: Carter was actually really really dope dude. 737 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 3: In terms of just being like kind and like talking to, 738 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 3: me and, like you, know they had a ping pong 739 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 3: table in the locker, room SO i like ran like 740 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 3: this ping pong tournament BECAUSE i was like blogging about 741 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 3: it or something on. 742 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 2: It this is Before. 743 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 3: Yahoo and he like he like won in the tournament 744 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 3: and was like not like like just even participating with. 745 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 3: Me Like i'd be, like, oh what's the best like 746 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 3: city to meet? When And he's Like, toronto my. Guy 747 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 3: i'm Like, toronto Not La, Miami like, no maybe everybody 748 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 3: Knows toronto everybody Knows toronto. 749 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 2: Right in, fact IF i had to say a shitty. 750 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 3: Guy there's so many it's. Unreal but because they're kind 751 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 3: of like, There i'm gonna. Blend i'm not gonna say any. 752 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 3: Names i'm gonna blend all into one person because this 753 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 3: happens a. Lot this person's like very, good was An All. 754 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 3: American usually is a, guard like a two, guard and 755 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 3: he just thinks that like sex and winning are the 756 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 3: only things that. 757 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 2: Matter AND i hate that guy on every. 758 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 3: Team we've never gotten along on any Team i've ever been, 759 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 3: On and there's a million of them all want to 760 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 3: Be Michael jordan's or. 761 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 2: Whatever they suck to be on teams. With it's not. 762 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: Fun they're just too they're just too one track mine 763 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: when it comes to those two, things that's. 764 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 3: It and they also don't like there's only One Michael. 765 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 3: Jordan there's a million people trying to be him and not. 766 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 3: Winning so you're on a team with a guy like 767 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 3: that and you're like an, eighth it's, like. 768 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: Bro stop right right. Right that's got to be infuriating for, 769 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: Sure and you feel like there's almost one of, those 770 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: or two of, those or three of those on every 771 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: teer really. 772 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 2: So, Many, ye there's so. 773 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 3: MANY i would actually, say like a lot of those 774 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 3: guys like even go on to be like THE tv, 775 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 3: personalities like they just want to be seen, forever right, 776 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 3: right show Me i'm, Important like. 777 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 2: Right you're. NOT i don't like. You i'm, sorry. 778 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: Loudest voice in the room type. Thing, yeah but, yeah 779 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: you're the most important or most. INTERESTING i guess that's 780 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: cool to hear About Vince carter, though because, like AND 781 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: i think you you touched on at one point in the, 782 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: book like when you're going to these camps and stuff like, 783 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: that Like Vince carter's seen you, know a Million Rod 784 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: benson's come through to try and make the. Team they're 785 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: there for a week maybe, two and then see you, 786 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: later so you don't need to you can understand why 787 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: they maybe don't go out of their way to make 788 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: a connection with every person that comes through the. Door, 789 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: Right is that? 790 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 2: Fair? 791 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 3: Yeah AND i would say like, again Like Jason kidd was, 792 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 3: There Richard jefferson was, there a few other, Guys And 793 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 3: i'm not saying they were bad. Guys they just like 794 00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 3: behaved HOW i expect them to, Behave like, oh, okay 795 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 3: LIKE i hope you make it like And bence was, like, 796 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 3: No i'll take the time to explain to you why 797 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 3: my navigator has a satellite. 798 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 2: Different, sure that's pretty nice of, You, vince thank you. 799 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 2: Well bringing Up. 800 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: Kid one of my favorite stories of the book IS 801 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: i think you're like nine or ten years. Old your 802 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: mom asked if you wanted to basically change your name 803 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: and go buy your grandfather's last, name which Was, kid 804 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: spelled exactly the same way As Jason. Kidd you, know 805 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: you sort of thought about, it and you're, like, Nah 806 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: Rod benson good, name WHICH i agree. With that is 807 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: a good. NAME i think it's better Than rod kid 808 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: too many d's to. 809 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 2: Yourself very. Funny but then. 810 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 1: Your, mom especially with you going to col started telling 811 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 1: like coaches and people there, like, oh, Yeah rod's related 812 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: To Jason, kidd and everyone's sort of, like, OKAY i 813 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: guess we'll believe her and go with. That and then 814 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: you got a chance to Meet Jason kidd and sort 815 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: of had to almost were forced to bring it, up 816 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: and then he definitely had no Clue AND i don't 817 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 1: even know if it's true that you're even related To Jason. 818 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: Kidd that was so funny to. 819 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 3: Me i'm pretty sure he just said like he was, like, uh, 820 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 3: Dude oakland AND i was, like, no not No, Clinton, 821 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 3: Louisiana like oh oh all right, Then like that was, 822 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 3: like that's like pretty much the only CONVERSATION i ever 823 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 3: had With Jason. KIDD i was on a team with 824 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 3: him for a. Month, uh but, yeah it. Was you, 825 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 3: know a lot of these STORIES i try to get 826 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 3: across a lot of, points like. Subtly but one thing 827 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 3: that really sucked about that and THAT i tried to 828 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 3: highlight is how different college AND nba media. Were like in, 829 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 3: college they did put it in the media, guide but 830 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 3: they didn't really talk about it RIGHT, Nba like the 831 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 3: first SECOND i was in, there this guy is making 832 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 3: me talk To Jason kidd about it and we haven't even. 833 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 2: Met. 834 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 3: Bro can we, like if if What i'm saying is, 835 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 3: true you're introducing family? 836 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 2: Member why the one family? Members? Weirdo what makes you so? 837 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 3: Important That's Harold daily dot, Org like what are we talking? 838 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: About and so do we know officially whether or not 839 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: you're related to? 840 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,399 Speaker 2: Him or is THAT i am not at all related To? Jason, 841 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:00,760 Speaker 2: OKAY i didn't think. 842 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 3: The grandfather that was in. Question yeah he. Is it 843 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 3: just turns out THAT i am not related to that. 844 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 2: Grandfather there's a lot of, caveats a lot of. 845 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: Caveats, okay that's. Great another fun, chapter really short one 846 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: in the book that jumped out to me was your 847 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 1: friend saw love in basketball in theaters and when you 848 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,720 Speaker 1: asked him how it, was he, replied too much, love 849 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: not enough. BASKETBALL i don't know why that made me 850 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: laugh out, loud. 851 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,760 Speaker 2: But we were like. Fourteen, also, right, yeah, yeah. 852 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 1: Well of course you want more basketball less. Love what 853 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: is the best basketball movie of all? Time according To Rod, 854 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: bedson if you had to pick or a. 855 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 3: Shortlist, YEAH i MEAN i think it's Still White Man 856 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 3: Can't jump had down as In la as An angelino 857 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 3: and as as someone who likes just both the actors and, 858 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 3: LIKE i think there's an accuracy to like their. 859 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 2: Desperation but IF i had to. 860 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 3: Say a dark horse number, two it's a hustle With 861 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,240 Speaker 3: Adam sandler article about, It like you actually get. 862 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 2: A sense of what how good some of these guys. 863 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 3: Are like you're Watching Hernan gomez who pretty much nobody 864 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,879 Speaker 3: knew him like his older. BROTHER i think people knew 865 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 3: but not him before this movie do drills like dribbling 866 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 3: a tennis ball with one hand and like running up 867 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 3: and it's, like, bro, yeah. 868 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,879 Speaker 2: You can't do, that none of you. CAN i can't 869 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 2: even really do. That this guy could barely make a. 870 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 3: Roster yeah you could like to actually see, like, no 871 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 3: you're not nearly as close as you. Think, bro it's 872 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 3: not just that IF i had your height, thing you 873 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 3: gotta be able to do all that. 874 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 2: Stuff and that guy did it in the. MOVIE i 875 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 2: thought it was. Gold, yeah that's a great. 876 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: Movie that's a good call and fairly recent. Too you're 877 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: right before we start wrapping this, up, man this is. 878 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: Awesome you played, ball you played professional, basketball and, yeah 879 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: a good chunk of the book is about. That but 880 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: there are chapters on your clothing company boom, though and 881 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: you know a little bit, later this idea of like 882 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: being a writer and being an. ARTIST i know you 883 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: do IMPROV i, mean you really do it. All what 884 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: right now is your favorite of the? Bunch or Is 885 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: Rod benson have to have his you, know his hand 886 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: in a little bit of everything when it comes to specially. 887 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 3: Arts, MAN i Think i'm just someone who just happened 888 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 3: To i'm like If Forrest gump was smart. ENOUGH i 889 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 3: just keep ending up, places and THEN i just do 890 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 3: the thing thing like in, earnest thinking Like, okay this 891 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,839 Speaker 3: is what you're supposed to, do and then years later 892 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 3: people are, like, bro no one does. That i'm, like, 893 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 3: OH i really didn't know at this. Point you, KNOW 894 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 3: i really do do a lot of different, things and 895 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 3: they all give me a lot of. Satisfaction i'll say 896 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 3: that improv comedy is probably the most frequent thing that 897 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 3: gives you that hit because you're on. Stage sure you 898 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 3: can stuff, up you. Know our team is also like 899 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 3: really Like i'm six.' ten my team is like, average 900 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,359 Speaker 3: height like. Six' five for, comedians on. Stage that's wild 901 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,439 Speaker 3: it's like watching the monstars DO comedy and. I love 902 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 3: it i love that we just come on stage like, 903 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 3: here we are it's time to. 904 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 2: Make you laugh. 905 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: So you. Do that, FREQUENTLY but you i mean you 906 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: do you do, both street art, YOU obviously do i 907 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 1: think commissioned. Art for people and then and then the 908 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: writing are you still Writing? For sf gate Is? THAT 909 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: still ageah i kind of kind. 910 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 3: OF quiet quit i don't know, when members watching But 911 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 3: it's like i'll speak to that a little bit, it's 912 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 3: just hard like not being able to write THE stories 913 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 3: that i think that people. 914 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 2: Need to hear and for. Really two reasons one is 915 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 2: that people don't read. 916 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,240 Speaker 3: Like interesting stuff they read like the most Red stuff 917 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 3: on SFGate is like which, coffee shop opened and like 918 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 3: oops a puppy and like, and it's, like oh man 919 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 3: these nine things are controlling your parking pricing. 920 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 2: And you need to. Know about it, and it's like 921 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 2: we're not going. To do that it's like. Gold damn, man. 922 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah because you went in on for, a while 923 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: there AT least when i Was. Following ON instagram the 924 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: i GUESS sort of i don't know what, you call 925 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: it like rental crisis or scam or whatever Going, on in. 926 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 2: California probably THE world In. La in california this is 927 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 2: like not the. 928 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 3: Channel for this but every person IN my that i 929 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 3: could vote for up and Down is a democrat. 930 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 2: And they're all. 931 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 3: Pretty MUCH corrupt and i hate, to say It But 932 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 3: like nancy pelosi trades, It Three, times warren buffett what are? 933 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 3: We talking about but we can't talk, about these things 934 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 3: so like we kind of. JUST like don't, i don't 935 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 3: know like eventually we're gonna have to start talking about 936 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 3: like the truth of. WHAT life is I will say 937 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 3: i'm glad you, asked that question because that's a big 938 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 3: part point in the. Book for, ME i'm like i 939 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 3: think there's we're entering the. AGE of authenticity i could 940 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 3: feel this like, a Year ago, and i'm like someone's 941 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 3: gonna have to just saying. 942 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,919 Speaker 2: What, Life actually is like why do we pull? 943 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,279 Speaker 3: Punches so much like all that's led us to is 944 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 3: to like hide ourselves and be like miserable and allow 945 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,399 Speaker 3: like abusers and weirdos and like corrupt people to run. 946 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 3: Everything we do just be AUTHENTICALLY yourself and i think everything. 947 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: Will, be fine well there's no doubt You. Are rod 948 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 1: man this. Book, is awesome again encourage people to go. 949 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: Check it out so what's the easiest way rod for 950 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,320 Speaker 1: people to get their Hands On. ON different dude I 951 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:00,800 Speaker 1: Believe it's different. Dude dot com do you? 952 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 2: Have? 953 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 3: That right yeah you can get It at different. Dude 954 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,880 Speaker 3: dot com you can also get it anywhere that. Sells 955 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 3: books online and you can also listen to it For. 956 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 3: Free on spotify if you just we're all, broke out 957 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 3: here if you, just, want, TO like hey i want to. 958 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 3: SAVE my money i get paid the same if you 959 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 3: listen To. 960 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 2: It on spotify so Just. Listen on, spotify oh okay. 961 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 1: There you go didn't even know that. Was an option 962 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,359 Speaker 1: and where else can? PEOPLE follow you i don't think 963 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: you're on The x, slash TWITTER anymore but i see 964 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 1: you're in. The threads game what's the best Way to 965 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: follow rod and? 966 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 2: All? 967 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,399 Speaker 3: Your work yeah you can find me on pretty much 968 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 3: EVERY PLATFORM AT ZS o R. 969 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:36,239 Speaker 2: R yo N. 970 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 3: That's jerry on it's. My middle name it's also. My 971 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 3: art name and that's, how let's TikTok. Threads, and instagram 972 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 3: okay There. 973 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 2: It is rod. This. 974 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,800 Speaker 1: Was awesome man i've known you. FOR so long i 975 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 1: don't have we ever. Met in person. 976 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 3: We met at the two Thousand And Eight. All, star, 977 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 3: game yes okay for. Like two minutes this is the 978 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 3: longest conversation we've ever had. Outside AN email, LIKE i 979 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 3: like i like That blog, row, like yeah again we 980 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 3: didn't really say that set this, up very well but 981 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 3: like or maybe you, did before him but like you 982 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 3: used you were, like, my editor, right. 983 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 2: So yeah you. WERE just here i was. 984 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: MY head man i didn't know what the? HELL editing 985 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,799 Speaker 1: you i think you say, At one, POINT you're like 986 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: i would just send this in and let, them POST 987 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 1: it and, i didn't care and like you would just. 988 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 1: SEND it in i would make sure there's, no SPELLING 989 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: mistakes that i would. JUST post it i wasn't asking 990 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 1: for Rewrites. 991 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 3: The, wild west baby but it's nice to like actually 992 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 3: Have a real it's like catching up with someone in 993 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 3: front of like a bunch. OF random people, i, Don't. 994 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:34,359 Speaker 2: Know right. 995 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 1: Yes that's true there are people watching and, listening to 996 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: that and. We appreciate it hit, the like button, subscribe 997 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 1: and yeah leave us a five star. Rating and review 998 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,840 Speaker 1: but this. Is really, Cool and yeah i'm happy you 999 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: said there was, that one time BECAUSE that's what i, Thought, 1000 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 1: TO us like i feel like There Was an, all 1001 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: star weekend but that was like that was My First 1002 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 1: ever all star, weekend with, YEAHOO of COURSE i remember 1003 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,840 Speaker 1: i had flight problems trying, to get there so it 1004 00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: was a bit. Of a mess but it, was a. 1005 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: Short Short meeting but i'm glad we got a chance. 1006 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: TO do this I feel like i've known you so well, 1007 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: BECAUSE you know i do follow, All your work you're writing. 1008 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,319 Speaker 1: Your Online stuff so i'm. Happy, for, you MAN. 1009 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,440 Speaker 3: Man if i You Know that. All STAR weekend if 1010 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 3: i can tell a lot, more, QUICK story yeah. 1011 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 1: I do it. 1012 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,359 Speaker 3: Was really funny, because you're right there was a lot 1013 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,320 Speaker 3: of flight issues going in And Out, of new orleans 1014 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 3: but ESPECIALLY Because the d league we're all such small 1015 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 3: market teams that like getting Our Flights to new orleans 1016 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 3: especially this is all, announced last minute. 1017 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:26,840 Speaker 2: Like a lot of headaches for a. 1018 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 3: Lot of people but essentially, after the game we played 1019 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 3: a game the next day Back In like sue Falls 1020 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 3: And because Sib Powell was sue falls Best Player and, carlos. 1021 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 2: Palell, was you know one of, ours alongside. 1022 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,279 Speaker 3: Me and we were all Talking After the all star 1023 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 3: game like we're gonna have to take like six connecting. 1024 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:47,560 Speaker 2: Flights to Get Back. 1025 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,359 Speaker 3: To north dakota we're gonna get back like with thirty 1026 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 3: minutes to go before the, game at best and then 1027 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 3: Have to play like how about We just don't so 1028 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 3: we all kind of made this pack to like just 1029 00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 3: kind of miss our flight and like chill one more 1030 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 3: night and go back the next day and then like 1031 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,759 Speaker 3: and then like an Hour later because sib texted from 1032 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 3: the airport like, couldn't do it and then, we're, all 1033 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 3: like oh like he's because he's on. The other team 1034 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 3: so like him sitting out was like part, of the 1035 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,479 Speaker 3: thing like we all set out it. Will, be fine 1036 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 3: sure now he's going back to go get. His thirty 1037 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,279 Speaker 3: piece so we had to go back and it was 1038 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 3: like it made EVERYTHING worse because i was running like 1039 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,360 Speaker 3: SUPER late because i was trying to. Take it easy 1040 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 3: it was a WHOLE mess and i didn't play. THE 1041 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,360 Speaker 3: game anyways i got, there IN time but i just 1042 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 3: SAT there because i was like just, fully red eyed. 1043 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 2: Like cracked out oh. 1044 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 3: You didn't even play, in the end, still didn't play 1045 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 3: just sat there in my in my street clothes on 1046 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 3: the bench like a. 1047 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 2: Like a loser? 1048 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,600 Speaker 1: What a story guy? Screwed, you though yeah you guys 1049 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,320 Speaker 1: had a deal or you're A Party in new orleans. 1050 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 2: For a night what's? 1051 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,360 Speaker 1: The big deal we Was won? D league, GAME oh man. 1052 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 2: I don't know if we really. Had a deal it 1053 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 2: might have been one of, those, like. 1054 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,640 Speaker 1: Whoops yes, sup Falls bro take we'll take the w 1055 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,400 Speaker 1: when you. Guys, Are there, rod. Thanks again man everybody 1056 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 1: go to different dude dot com or check This out 1057 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 1: on spotify if you want to hear is? It your 1058 00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:58,959 Speaker 1: voice rod. Reading the book. 1059 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 2: It's my boy there, it is There it is go. Check. 1060 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: It out everyone thanks. For joining us we will see 1061 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,320 Speaker 1: you when we. See you, next, brace today people