1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, snowy Monday here in the Tri State area. 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live. I 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: am John Schmelk. He is Lance Meado. The phone number 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: for you is two oh one four five one three 5 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: until presented by Corps Light. Enter to win the ultimate 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: v I P Game Day Experience courtesy of Course Light. 7 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: Text v I P to nine oh four six four 8 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: four more details. Now we've been telling you by the 9 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: way that Big Book Kickoff Live is gonna be on 10 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: its own podcast feed. Well that's started today. 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We can go into a couple of 20 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: details as you desire, but I'm after every game, I'm 21 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: tired of saying turnovers cost to team, unable to get 22 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: the opposing team off the field on third downs, especially 23 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: third and lungs cost the team, and chunk plays cost 24 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: the team because it's literally the same exact thing nearly 25 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: every week. You know, there are a couple of things 26 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: here there. Last week there weren't any turnovers. This week 27 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: there are Uh sometimes you know, third down defense is okay, 28 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: but the big plays are there, etcetera red zone here 29 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: or there, whatever. But the bottom line is that the 30 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: same problems keep cropping up, no one solving anything, and 31 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: it's a problem that just continues to persist, especially defensively. Uh. 32 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: The Giants, I do not believe forced one three and 33 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: out this entire game, uh until the final drive when 34 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: the Packers are running the ball out, so I do 35 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: not count that. Uh. They only forced two punts in 36 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: the game, and one was at the end of the 37 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: first half or three punts. One was at the end 38 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: of the first half when the Packers just trying to 39 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: run the clock out, and the other one at the 40 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: end of the game when the Packers just trying to 41 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: run the clock out. So in effect, really just had 42 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: one which was the beginning of the fourth punt, which 43 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: is the first drive of the Packers in the third quarter. Otherwise, 44 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: the Packers had four touchdown drives, a few goal drives, 45 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: jives of seventy two yards, sixty six yards, seventy four yards, 46 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: then some shorter ones off those giant turnovers, and here 47 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: we are again. The Giants are now sitting at two 48 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: and ten. Yeah, in eight game losing streak for the 49 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: first time since two thousand four, which was coincidentally Eli 50 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: Mannings rookie year. Now Daniel Jones is essentially experiencing the 51 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: same thing. You're right, John, I mean we come back 52 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: on Monday's and now, what do you want to copy 53 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 1: from Eli? No, I don't think that was on the 54 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: to do list in terms of duplicating Eli Mannings resume that, 55 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: that is for sure, But as you noted, we are 56 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: repeating a lot of the storylines and a lot of 57 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: the factors were bringing up every single Monday when we're 58 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: discussing losses. I will say this, the Giants did turn 59 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: the bowl over three times. Daniel Jones had three interceptions. 60 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: But you know what, if you were to ask me, John, 61 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: I don't think the turnovers is what cost them the 62 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: game yesterday. I think it was more of what you 63 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: alluded to with respect of the inability of the defense 64 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: to get off the field on third down. That was 65 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: the killer. Now, granted, interceptions are gonna cut drive short, 66 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: I get it. But Green Bay was seven of thirteen 67 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: on third down. Technically, John, they were seven of twelve 68 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: because the last third down was on that final drive 69 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: where they took a knee. Does does that seven or 70 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: twelve by the way count penalties that turned the first down, 71 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: It's actually probably more like nine of fourteen then, because 72 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: they were there was a defensive hold than a defensive 73 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,119 Speaker 1: pass interference that did convert their downs. Well, and that's 74 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: exactly what I was gonna get to, And this is 75 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: why I think it was so costly because the drive 76 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: that the Packers put together fourteen play seventy five yards. 77 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: It took seven fifteen off the clock. So this is 78 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: a drive that started with six thirty seven to go 79 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: in the third quarter and it ultimately made game. So 80 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: if you go to this drive, the Giants had three penalties, 81 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: one of which was on the touchdown pass the Davante Adams, 82 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: which was too many men on the field that was declined. 83 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a second, John, Because Aaron 84 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: Rodgers brought up a number of interesting points after the game. 85 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: He broke down that play which I thought was quite interesting. 86 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: So third and six at the Giants forty six, the 87 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: Aunt Adams incomplete pass. Sam Bill's called for defensive pass interference, 88 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: so there's a third down that doesn't count against the 89 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: seven of twelve. John to your point, but that's a 90 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: conversion for Green Bay. Drive continues. Then later on in 91 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: the drive, it's third and ten. The Giants do make 92 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: a stop, but Matt Lafleur was aggressive. He went for 93 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: an On fourth and ten, Rogers hits Geronimo Allison for 94 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: fifteen yards. The drive continues. Giants blitz five on that play, 95 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: by the way, and Alison was one on one with 96 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: Halley and he ran a little crossing route. Rogers kind 97 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: of threw it off his back foot. Marcus Golden was 98 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: a second late, and that's how they converted that first down. Yeah, 99 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: which was a hell of a throw. By the way 100 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: by Aaron Rodgers was we're not telling you anything that 101 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: you haven't seen during the course of his career. So 102 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: moving along in the drive, third and two, now, Aaron 103 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: Rodgers the Davante Adams for six yards, Okay, that's a 104 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: third and manageable. Maybe it's not necessarily getting on the 105 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: Giants defense in those circumstances, but an opportunity to get 106 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: off the field. Still, the point remains the same, so 107 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: they eventually get This is where really things turned. It's 108 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: first in goal at the Giants six yard line, and 109 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: first and goal from the six becomes second. Then goal 110 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: at the one and Antoine Bethet is called for a 111 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: holding penalty, so that's the second penalty for those of you. 112 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: First and goal at the one. So yes, first and 113 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: goal at the one and first and goal at the 114 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: one becomes third and goal at the seventeen because the 115 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: Packers were called for holding. So if you're the Giants defense, John, 116 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: you had your backs against the wall, you're recovered because 117 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: of a mishap by the green Bay Packers, and now 118 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: you have yourself in a situation where, hey, we make 119 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: a stop, we hold green Bay to a field lands. 120 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: It's really hard on a third and goal from the 121 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: sevent team to score a touchdown. I mean it's really hard. 122 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: There's just not a lot of real estate and confined space. 123 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: You you basically have twenty seven yards to work with 124 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: and if you're going for a touchdown, realistically, you have 125 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: ten square yards to work with, or fifteen if you 126 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: want to try a throw its short of the sticks 127 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: and then run in from the five yard line and 128 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: in right, that's about where you want to try to 129 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: fill the football there to try to at least put 130 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: yourself in a fourth and goal situation and maybe if 131 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: you want to go for it on fourth down. So 132 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: you basically a fifteen yards of depth and then the 133 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: width of the field. You know, the Giants I think 134 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: rush four guys, so you have seven guys to cover 135 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,239 Speaker 1: those fifteen yards going all the way across the field. 136 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: For Davante Adams to get as wide open as he was, 137 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: and he was wide open for a play like that, 138 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,799 Speaker 1: For no one to be within five to seven yards 139 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: of the receiver is mind boggling. And I could tell 140 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: you what happened on the play was I watch it 141 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: on tape. Sambal was one on with Davante Adams. He 142 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: did a little fake to the outside, little shoulder dip 143 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: and went that way field, flipped his hips turned around. 144 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: Instead of going outside, Davante Adams went up to Seeman 145 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: in the snow, It's hard to for guys to change direction. 146 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: Once they get going in one direction, it's hard to 147 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: stop and change. You guys have all been out in 148 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: the snow. You know how it goes. You're kind of 149 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: just going in a straight line, and that's how it's 150 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: gonna go. And Adams was just wide open for a 151 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: touchdown and that made it to thirteen And here to 152 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: me lances where the interceptions hurt you because you get 153 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: the ball back and you still have a shot. Now, 154 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: the problem is that the first interception happened on a 155 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: third day team, so you're probably not gonna convert that anyway. 156 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: But the issue is that Shepherd was open on the slant, 157 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: so the Giants have it back there only down and 158 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: Shepherd's wide open on the slant, wide open in the 159 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: middle of a cover two defense guys wide open, and 160 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: Jones just airmailed it. And we saw him do it 161 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: earlier in the game on a Cody Lattimer shallow cross. 162 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: We saw him do it on a past of Sterling 163 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: Shepherd that was more open than I thought when I 164 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: watched it on tape. He could have thrown it for 165 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: a touchdown. Earlier in the game. He threw that high 166 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: for Shepherd that turn into one of the rosas field goals, 167 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: and he airmailed it to to Shepherd and went right 168 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: to Darnell Savage, and that was pretty much the game 169 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: because that gave the Packers the ball in Giants territory. 170 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: They scored one more touchdown and then that was it. 171 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: So that's where the interception hurt. Where you're still of 172 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: a chance to be in that game. Just down eleven 173 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: with fourteen minutes to go in the game. You're in it. 174 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: You're still in the game at that point. But that 175 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: interception pretty much was all she wrote. Yeah, well, I 176 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: mean it basically snowballed on the Giants after that drive. 177 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: That's why I look at scores the true turning point 178 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: because of so many opportunities to just get turning point wise, 179 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: I think that third and seventeen touchdown was the turning 180 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: point of the game. Now I agree with you. The 181 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: other thing I wanted to add to your breakdown of 182 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: that play. First of all, the too many men on 183 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: the field penalty, good point. Aaron Rodgers then discussed what 184 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: he saw. First of all, he is so effective in 185 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: picking up on confusion on the opposite end and snapping 186 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: the ball quickly which is what he did. Because when 187 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: Rogers spoke to the media, they said, can you walk 188 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: us through what you saw, So he said he saw 189 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: two substitutions that the Giants were trying to make. Now, 190 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: if you go back and you watch that play right 191 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: at the top of the screen, and I tweeted this out, Dawn, 192 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: Buchanan is hustling off the field. He's the guy that 193 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: was still on the field when Aaron Rodgers. John snapped 194 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: the football and Rodgers did it quickly because he saw 195 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 1: that two men came on, but there was a a 196 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: bit of confusion at the last second. Buchanan runs off, 197 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: and then what he also noticed was, you know you 198 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: talked about Sam Beale. On the left side of the field, 199 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 1: Alan Lazard is in the slot. John Haley takes Alan 200 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: Lazard as he runs up the slot, and Antoine Bethet 201 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: goes with Haley over to Lazard. So when Beale was 202 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: in an awkward position in terms of turning around, but 203 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: they did not have enough of an angle to come over. 204 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: And that's another reason John, why Davante Adams made a 205 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: great break wide open to your point, easy touched it. Yeah, 206 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: And we heard from Julian Love on the post game, 207 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: and he basically said to us, look, the defense wasn't 208 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: completely set yet, and that's a situation where, you know 209 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: how Aaron Rodgers operates if there if the Packers don't 210 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: make a substitution, they don't have to wait for you 211 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: to substitute. So you have to be very careful trying 212 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: to make substitutions at that point of the game. But 213 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: you know, even if it's third and twelve after the 214 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: off sides, you're still in great position, right, You're still 215 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: a really good position at third and twelve. But the 216 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: fact that you let him get that wide open and 217 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: you weren't ready to go, it's just a big, big problem. Yeah, 218 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: and you know, explosive plays. I know that wasn't necessarily 219 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: an explosive play, but that was another thing that reared 220 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: its ugly. Had more than more than fifteen yards, it's explosive. Well, 221 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: you know, the forty ones are the ones that really 222 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: jumped out to me. The wide open touchdown for Islands 223 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: Lazard and then remember Lazard also had another grab for 224 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: thirty seven yard second play of the game. Yeah, you know, 225 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: he and the three catches in this game for over 226 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: a hundred yards and just three. That's it. And if 227 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: you look at strategy or call banks, which Arizon Giants 228 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: person ten ms J, it was the exact plays that 229 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: we illustrated under center. The Packers are either gonna play 230 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: action or run the ball. The Giants did a good 231 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: job against the run, but those play action passes under 232 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: center and those deep crosses and those go routes, that 233 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: just killed the Giants time and time again. And we 234 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: showed it to you guys on first and ten. Nothing 235 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: new they I mean, the Packers showed it during the year. 236 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: That's what they do. It's part of their DNA and 237 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: it's another example of a get right game as a result, John, 238 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: because this was a Packers offense. I understand they have 239 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and he could go off at any time, 240 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: but this was not an offense that was lighting up 241 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: the scoreboard. They had lost two of their previous three games. 242 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: They had only scored nineteen points in those two losses. 243 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: They had eight points against the Niners. I'm not comparing 244 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: the Giants defensive personnel to San Francisco, Okay, I don't 245 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: think they're in the same stratosphere. But the point is 246 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: the Giants have had games against teams, John, that come 247 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: in in which they're struggling, or the numbers dictate one 248 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: thing on paper. For example, the Packers had struggled to 249 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: stop the run. They were giving up a hundred twenty 250 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: six yards per game. You know, on paper, once again 251 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: an attractive matchup that doesn't come to fruition. And they 252 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: did okay in the run. In the end, they ran 253 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: it better than they have probably since they got hurt. No, 254 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: you're four and a half yards or carry. It's pretty good. 255 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: But I go back to and on a drive where 256 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: I thought they did run the football well, an eighteen 257 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: play drive, John, that eats up nine and a half minutes. Okay, 258 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: second quarter. And we have this debate all the time 259 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: on this very program. Run the ball, eat up the clock, 260 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: keep Aaron Rodgers on the sideline, right. Isn't that the philosophy? 261 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: A lot of fans, a lot of callers, we hear 262 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: from you. You know, that's the best way to beat 263 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: in opposition, Have him be a spectator. Okay, fine, So 264 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: you put together in eighteen play drive, you eight up 265 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: nine and a half minutes. Rogers became a spectator, and 266 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: then the drive ends with the twenty seven yard field go. 267 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: So time of possession is great. If you don't do 268 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: anything with it and you settle for three points instead 269 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: of seven, it doesn't really mean much of anything. So 270 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: that's where I go back to. Yeah, the rushing numbers 271 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: don't look bad compared to recent games, but I don't 272 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: think it translated to anything. I guess that's well. And 273 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: another part of it too, offensively for the Packers, which 274 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: is kind of where you started heading into this year, Lance, 275 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: or heading into this game, I should say the Packers 276 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 1: were the worst third and long conversion team in the league. 277 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: On third and ten plus yours, I think they literally 278 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: had like a six or eight percent conversion rate. It 279 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: was a disaster. In this game. They were converting third 280 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: and thirteens like it was easy, like there was no concern. 281 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: They were even in third and thirteen because the Giants 282 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: couldn't get a pass rush. Billen Baker struggled in coverage, 283 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: Grant Haley struggled on coverage. Corey Balentine love with the concussion, 284 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: second one this year and now I'd be surprised if 285 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: we see him for the rest of the year. We'll 286 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: see he'll go through all the protocols and all that stuff, 287 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: and they couldn't stop the Packers on third and long. 288 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: And you mentioned time possession. First half, the Giants had 289 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: the ball for nearly had nineteen minutes and the Packers 290 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: had it for just eleven. Yeah, they're still down seventeen ten, 291 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: So it's a matter of what you do with it, 292 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: and the Giants couldn't get stops and that's kind of 293 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: where it was. One other quick note about your third 294 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 1: down point, so green Band, as I mentioned seven of 295 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: twelve on third down, Seven of those twelve downs were 296 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: for eight yards or more that they faced, and the 297 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: conversion rate turned out to be pretty good regardless. So 298 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: you know there's a team once again struggling on third 299 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: and long as well. They took care of business yesterday 300 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: against the Giants, and then we had the generous Jenkinson 301 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: after the game saying Jack Rapid, don't travel no more. 302 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: I think that was the quote, is that it has 303 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: something um and look, I think that's him wanting to 304 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: help the team win by trying to cover the best 305 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: wide receiver. Now, I will say this, they tried to 306 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: do that earlier in the year against Tampa Bay with 307 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: Mike Evans and then well Mike Evans and and that 308 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: did not go so well. So look, I get it, 309 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: it's frustrating for the most part this team and stay together. 310 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: You know. Coach Hermer spoke today. He didn't think that 311 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: was a shot and he said, we'll talk to Jack 312 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: Rabbit up being that vocal. But that's coming from a 313 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: place of him trying to help the team win, not 314 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: necessarily being a selfish player. Yeah, I would agree with you. 315 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: I think, once again, when a team loses eight in 316 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: a row, John, every quote tends to become a headline 317 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: and people are gonna call in and say it's a 318 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: distraction and this and that. Stop it. That's an overblown narrative. Actually, 319 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: Antoine Bethet was asked about Genoora's Jenkins comments. I remember 320 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: Bethet has been with Betcher for quite some time, and he, 321 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: as you just mentioned, John had said, we did a 322 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: little bit of that earlier in the season, referring to 323 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: when Genora's Jenkins in the Tampa Bay game pretty much 324 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: went with Mike Evans, and at least for the first 325 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: half of that and Mike Evans had an absolute field day. 326 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: He didn't do much of anything in the second half, 327 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: but he had that play that could have ultimately set 328 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: up Tampa Bay for a game winning field goal, but 329 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: Bruce arians decided to take the delay of game penalty. 330 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: That's a whole other thing which we don't need to revisit. 331 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: So getting well, I just straits, don't, don't, don't, don't 332 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: the whole other can of worms that will remain closed 333 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: on this front. Okay, don't poke the bear because the 334 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: bear is going to claw back. Okay, you shouldn't know that. 335 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: Quite well, this is not your first and some of 336 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: the callers it's not their first rodeos Eiland, Okay, so 337 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: let me be clear. But getting back to the point, 338 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: Antoine Bethet did refer to the Tampa Bay game and 339 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: said that after that did he refer directly to the 340 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: Tampa game? Well, he said earlier in the season, And 341 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: then I believe I have to go back to the transcript. 342 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: I could check it during the show, I think. Then 343 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: a reporter followed up by saying, are you referring to 344 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: the Tanna's Bay game? And he then confirmed, And then 345 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: there was a discussion about how you know, after that game, 346 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: Betcher decided to make some adjustments and they had went 347 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: in a different direction with respect to this game, and 348 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: then I'll just bring up a more big pictures. They 349 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: there are some good things litter throughout the game, and 350 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: we can touch on that as we take your calls. 351 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: But I want to get through one Pat Schurmer quote 352 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: that he at the end of the game here that 353 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna get questions about the coach. We 354 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: get it, we understand the team was like, guys, here's 355 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: the bottom line. The teams ain't in a row. That 356 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: means nobody is doing a good enough job. Everyone knows that, okay, 357 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: So no one's gonna try to tell you that's not 358 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: the case. Top to bottom. You lose eight straight, you're 359 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: two and eight, and you're the second worst record in 360 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: the NFL. Things aren't going right. And that's not a 361 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: one thing problem. Not that's in everybody problem. So this 362 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: was Patremer's quote after the game, and I'll just read 363 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: it to you because we're probably gonna reference it a 364 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: lot over the next four weeks as we get a 365 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: lot of these phone calls. So get ready to hear 366 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: it and get comfortable with it. He was asked, how 367 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: concerned are you that the progress you see going on 368 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: behind the scenes is Patremer has referenced that time and 369 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: time again isn't showing up in regard to wins and 370 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: losses on Sundays. And here's a Pat Murmer to say, 371 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: I'm always concerned that we don't win. This is another 372 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: feeling question. I'll feel better when we win games. If 373 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: you're wondering how I feel, I'll feel a lot better 374 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: when we win games. I do see you get an 375 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: opportunity to watch it's probably twenty minutes a day, and 376 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: you report on it. This is a historically young team 377 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: that's going out there competing against some really good football teams. 378 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: We've got to do it. We have to do to 379 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: win games. And I understand that they also are developing. 380 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: At some point we'll be good enough to win. And 381 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: then the follow up question, and this is the more 382 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: important quote, but I wanted to give a context. You 383 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: know that you're obviously being judged on wins and losses, 384 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: and this was Pat Schremer's answer to that. I'm well 385 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 1: aware of it. I'm well aware of it. People will 386 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,239 Speaker 1: change what they think of us and me when we 387 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: win games. I'm a realist when it comes to that, 388 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: and I get it. And you know what, when you 389 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: don't win, I expect what has written and said and 390 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: what people think. I expect fans to be upset because 391 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: we are too, but we go about trying to fix it. 392 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: Two one four, five one three Big Book A Golf 393 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: five is presented by Corps Light entered when the Ultimate 394 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: v I P Game Day Experience courtesy of Corps Light 395 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: text v I P to nine oh four six four 396 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: four more details before you get to Colls. Just real quickly. 397 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: I brought up the Bethet transcript because I just want 398 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: to be very clear. The question was in the past 399 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: with Betcher, you did travel Patrick Peterson traveled, referring to 400 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: his days in Arizona. You said, this year you've done it. 401 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: Was asked to Bethet. Bethet's response was, quote, we did 402 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,719 Speaker 1: it against Tampa end quote. So we confirmed that. Then 403 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: the follow up was but obviously not as much to 404 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: his liking. The question was referring to Betcher, and then 405 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: Befet answered to his liking right end quote. Just for 406 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: clarification purposes, Okay, let's go to the calls at two 407 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: one four, five, one three. Let's go to Brandon in 408 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 1: New Jersey. He'll lead us off today. Brandon what's going on? 409 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: But here's it going Um, I first question, do we 410 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: have a press availability for Mr Gettleman yet? No. Dave 411 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: is not spoken, to my understanding, to the media since 412 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: training camp. Alright, well, I feel like he's got a 413 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: step to a podium man, because it's not he never 414 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: does that. But Brandon, Brandon, I don't need to cut 415 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: you off. But if you look at Dave Gentleman's track record, 416 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: even when he was in Carolina, his belief is the 417 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: coaches the face of the franchise during the season, and 418 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: the coach speaks for the team at Gettleman then will 419 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: address the media after the season. That's how he's always 420 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: done it. So you know, for you to question that, 421 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: I just don't think you're looking at his track record. 422 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: That's how he's always operated. He's not doing anything differently 423 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: this season than he hasn't done in the past. I 424 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: understand fans wanted to hear from a Brandon. That's how 425 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: he wants to do it because he's afraid if he 426 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: says certain things, he might undercut the coach, and he 427 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: believes during the season the coach wants to have the 428 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: world trust me. I think that's fair. You guys. But 429 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: the one thing I'm trying to say is this isn't 430 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: the usual situation. I think because so far in the 431 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: off season when he did speak, he said, basically, we 432 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: got a three year plan basically, right, and tell me 433 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: about Daniel Jones and three years right, and then what 434 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: we got, Yes, pretty much. The problem is in the 435 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: process of it. We're watching the team and I think 436 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: we're losing because of talent, period, point blank period. I don't. 437 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: I know the coach has some things to do and 438 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: there's not he hasn't done everything perfect Shermer, But I 439 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: don't think it like real time losing is why he's 440 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 1: on the hot seat. It's but if you look at 441 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: his three year plan and then what we're doing on 442 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: who we're picking up, what we're doing on contract us, 443 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: things like we've had um Bletcher as a defensive coordinator 444 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: now for two years. He runs eight three four. Everybody 445 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: knows that. Look at the trade we have this year. 446 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: There has nothing to do with the defense that's on 447 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: this teap. What does that mean, Brandon? What does that mean? 448 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: The heart and stroll of your your defense is really 449 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 1: those linebackers. They cover everything. There's probably to run, they 450 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: cover something, sometimes they end up on slot. We have 451 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: to have a superstar somewhere on there somewhere. I know 452 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: they put Marcus Golden this year, so that's good. But 453 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: really we haven't addressed a linebackers in a draft or 454 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: looking for that that key talent that you're really only 455 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: gonna get through it really expensive free agents or in 456 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: our draft since before Jared Reeves got there. Meanwhile, Bletcher 457 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: has been the defensive coordinator. We've had linebacker problems for years, 458 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: but then we all go at a defense. It's you know, 459 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: that's more we're losing games. And then when we say, okay, 460 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: well what needs to change, Uh no, it's the coach. 461 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: Well no, it's the talent on the field. It's not 462 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: gonna get any better this year. Brand At some point, 463 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: somebody's got to take some other bullets than Mr Shermer, 464 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: because yes, he's not doing everything great, but he should 465 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: not be the old when out here he is still 466 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: has to play with what's on this field. Brandon, I understand, 467 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: I'm with you part, I got you, But what's the 468 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: difference between gentleman speaking now and speaking four weeks from now? 469 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: Just takes some of the pressure off from Mr Sherman. No, 470 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: but here's the problem. Here's the problem, Brandon. No, but Brandon, 471 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: here's the thing, Brandon. But if if he asked, gets 472 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: asked certain questions and he answers them a certain way, 473 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: that might ratchet the pressure up on Charmer, not calm 474 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: it down, you know what I mean. It's for example, 475 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: I guarantee if gentleman talks, the first question he's going 476 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: to be asked, or maybe the one of the first 477 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: three is is Pat Smer going to be your coach 478 00:21:55,280 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: next season? And then anybody does his usual had moved 479 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: on past it, you know, you know, here's the thing. 480 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: But here's the thing. If he doesn't say yes, no, yes, 481 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: he can dance around the question. But if he doesn't 482 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: say yes, Pat Schremer is going to be back that 483 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: translated to the back page of the newspaper, is going 484 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: to be Pat Shermer job on the line in final four, 485 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: the pressure goes up, not down. You know what I mean. 486 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: I can see that. I just think that it's it's 487 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: just and my I know he's the coaches there, and listen, 488 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: I'm not dissolving Mr Shermer of everything that's wrong with 489 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: this team because I think Number two things he could 490 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: do differently and he'd be a lot better off. Number One, 491 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: let's Shureler be the offensive coordinat and not just a 492 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: play designer. I think was his exact words. Now let 493 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: him do it. We pay attention to the game. Finally, 494 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: and then uh. And then number two, stop accepting answers 495 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: are like mistakes, as are to learn and experience. Start 496 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: pulling people for mistakes. You can't make this mistake on 497 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: my field. You got to come stand next to me 498 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: if you made the mistake. Those are two things I 499 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: think if he just implemented those things, he could be 500 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: better off, and we wouldn't have this hot seat thing, 501 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: even if we're gonna lose, because again we're looking at 502 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: a three year window of anything anything that remotely looks 503 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: like football again, and I just don't think it's right. 504 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: So I mean, you, guys, I'll take the rescue off 505 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: a good call, fair stuff, We get it, and look 506 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: fans of frustrated. You want to hear from the guy 507 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: in charge. I understand, But I think the lanton I's point, 508 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: it's more appropriate, at least in Dave Gentleman's eyes, to 509 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: do that after the season, and I think we explained 510 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: the reasons. Well, you know, I'm gonna bring up some comparisons, John, 511 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: because I just think perspective is important. I understand Giants 512 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: fans sometimes they live in a bubble and they're really 513 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: only worried about their team. But Jerry Jones, who is 514 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: the general manager two of the Dallas Cowboys. After every 515 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: Cowboys loss, he holds court with the media, John, and 516 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: he's two radio hits during the week, and every time 517 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: he says something, whether it be good or bad, or 518 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: whether the intention is good or bad, John, what becomes 519 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: the headlines. Jason Garrett's on the hot seat. He's a 520 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: la duck coach. I don't think at the end of 521 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: the day, that does any good for the team as 522 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: well as the state of Jason Garrett. So I think 523 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: you were hitting on that point, and I would agree 524 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: with you. The other thing I wanted to bring up, John, 525 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: the Bengals won their first game yesterday, and now I'm 526 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: not going to Bengals dot Com all the time. I 527 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: do keep track of the league because I covered the league, 528 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: but I don't remember the Bengals general manager talking through 529 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: the first eleven losses of the season and coming to 530 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: some explanations as to why the team is struggling. When 531 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: the Dolphins were losing, I don't remember Chris Greer, the 532 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: Dolphins general manager, holding a press conference. So once again, 533 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: when you look around the league, I don't think the 534 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: Giants are doing anything differently than the rest of the 535 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: teams are doing. And Jerry Jones, to me, is the 536 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: exception of the rule because he's an owner and a 537 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: general manager. I'll go to a different sport for the 538 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: for the other team I cover in town now, or 539 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: I don't cover, I'm not there every day. Like to 540 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: be writers who I blog about. I'll use that as 541 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: a as a term as I don't want to take 542 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: credit away from the beau ahead. I don't want to 543 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: try to take credit for something. I'm not saying you 544 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: deserve a place in your own stratosphere. But go ahead. 545 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: After ten games this season, the Knicks were two and eight. 546 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: They were terrible. So the owner of the press conference 547 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: obstensively forces his general manager and tea president to have 548 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: a press conference. In the press conference, they actually give 549 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: David fizzdeo vote of confidence. If you actually just read 550 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: the words and forget about the context, of the press confidence. 551 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: You just read the quotes. They say, we have faith 552 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: in David Fizdel, we think he can do a good job. 553 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: We we believe in our program. We think we're heading 554 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: in the right direction. Those are the words every single 555 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: headline the next day. David Fizdel's job is just because 556 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: they spoke. So that's why Dave Gentleman, again, this is 557 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: what I'm assuming this. He hasn't actually said this to me, 558 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: but that's I imagine is why he operates the way 559 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: he does because he doesn't want to be constantly asked 560 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 1: a lot about the status of the coach. How about 561 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: the status of the coach? This, this, this, this, this. 562 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 1: You guys will have a chance to hear from him 563 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: after the season, and the same questions you have about 564 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: personnel decisions and the roster can be asked then as 565 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: as they are now. He spoke at the end of 566 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: last season, and he spoke right after the season, So 567 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm assuming that he's going to follow a 568 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: very similar game plan. But you know, once again, that's 569 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: how he operates. I think a lot of people also, 570 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: John have the tendency, if memory serves me correct, that's 571 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: safe for the most part consistently. Jerry Rees did usually 572 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: have a bye week presser, right, but he tended to 573 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: do that consistently, right, So I guess I think Giants 574 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: fans got used to that, and then if if Gettleman 575 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: doesn't do that, then they're sort of looking for Well, 576 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: Rees did it, so why doesn't Gettleman do it? But 577 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: once again, it's a different individual and you gotta go 578 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: back to Carolina. He never did that, So he's just 579 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: carrying on his same script. Two one nine, three nine 580 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: four or five on three two one nine, three nine 581 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: four or five on three. Let's go to John and Pennsylvania. 582 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: He's up next day, John, Hey, how are you doing. 583 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: We're good John, what's up right? John? Uh? So, as 584 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: a Giants fan, you know, personally, as soon as we 585 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: handed the ball over to Daniel Jones, it really wasn't 586 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: about record for me, right there, kind of realizing that 587 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: a rookie was taking the reins and we were probably 588 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: going to do a good amount of losing, not just 589 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: because that, but because of the fair the the issue 590 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: which you touched on earlier is the fact that at 591 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: least on the defensive side of the ball, it doesn't 592 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: seem like there's progress that's being made, and that is 593 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: an issue, and I think somebody loses their job because 594 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: of that. And I'm just curious from your perspective, both 595 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: of you, what would be your opinion. It's your John 596 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: Marra at the end of the year, what would you do? 597 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: Oh boy, that's that's that's putting us on the spot. John. Look, 598 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: I think well, and I and I know you. I 599 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: know you got to interview these guys, But I mean, seriously, 600 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: I mean, do you make a personnel move the top three? 601 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: Do you hold pat and let these guys you know, 602 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: have their three year run to see what happens with 603 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: you know, the free agency? Uh, what do you do? 604 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: You don't have to name names, but what are you thinking? Personally? 605 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: This is this is how I would approach it, Okay, 606 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: And and this is the best answer you'll get out 607 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: of me, John, is like you said, we're in the building, 608 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,239 Speaker 1: we work with these guys, and I'm not gonna call 609 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: for people's jobs. That's not what we do here. I 610 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: think if your ownership, you say, look, giving anyone just 611 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: two years to do something in the NFL is is 612 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: probably too short, especially given the first year for this 613 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: team and Dave Getten was really tearing the roster down. 614 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: There's only been really one year of building up, and 615 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: there's only been two drafts, and it takes young guys 616 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: sometimes a while to get going. So yes, I agree 617 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: with you there two years is a short time. But 618 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: then I think you take a look at the bigger 619 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: picture and you say, look, do I think that this 620 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: is going to where I needed to go with and 621 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: the people that are they are going to bring me 622 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: to where I need to go? And they will have 623 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: to consider that question when they decide if it helps 624 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: the team in terms of their long term prospects to 625 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: stay the course and keep continuity. As Lance likes to mention, 626 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: you know, teams don't have success when you're constantly making change. 627 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: Continuity is a good thing, but continuity with the wrong 628 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: people isn't necessarily a good thing. So he has to 629 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: take a look at the results, what he's seen internally, 630 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: how Rummer handles things internally. The team does still play 631 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: hard for him despite those types of mistakes you're talking about, 632 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: and you have to decide that if the talent gets 633 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: better and the team is better, are these guys the 634 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: right guys? They still believe in them to lead this 635 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: team where they want to go. So that's gonna be 636 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: the thought process where ownership comes down on it. Your 637 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: guess is as good as mine. Um. I think the 638 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: last four games are going to be significant to see 639 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: if we see some of those changes and improvements you're 640 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: talking about, maybe not making some of those same stakes, 641 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: same mistakes on defense, but when they take a look 642 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: at it, those are the things that that they're going 643 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: to consider when they make that decision. Yeah. The other 644 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: thing that I would add, John, and you know you 645 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: hit my viewpoint right on point, because you know where 646 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: I stand. When it comes to continuity. All you need 647 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: to do is look at the franchises across the NFL 648 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: that make coaching changes, you know, once every two years. 649 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: They don't go anywhere. Cleveland to me is an example Miami. 650 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: You can't become a revolving door that Jets is another 651 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: team that comes to mind. Daniel Jones is future and 652 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: his development. John, I think is another part of the 653 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: conversation in terms of what you do with respect to 654 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: the coaching staff, because you is drafted a guy who 655 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: you clearly feel very strongly of, You believe he's gonna 656 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: be the franchise quarterback. I bring up Alex Smith as 657 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: an example. Alex Smith worked with about seven different offensive 658 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: coordinators John in the early stages of his career, and 659 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: as a result, it stunted his development in my opinion. 660 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: And when it got to the point where they finally 661 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: brought in Greg Roman and they had John Harbaugh, it's 662 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: no surprise Alex Smith took off and became a very 663 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: reliable quarterback who took care of the football and help 664 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: the Niners win a number of games. You have to 665 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: evaluate that. You have to have that conversation. If we 666 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: change certain positions, certain coaches, how is that going to 667 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: impact Daniel Jones. If we asked him to learn a 668 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: new offense, how is that going to impact Daniel Jones? 669 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: All of those things you have to take into consideration 670 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: in addition to what you're seeing from the team. And 671 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: there's always the question of is this a coaching issue 672 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: or is this, to your point, John, the lack of 673 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: talented certain areas. So if we upgrade the talent area, 674 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: do we still have the structure and continuity with the 675 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: coaching staff that's gonna help us contain and you to 676 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: improve and win football game. And those are tough questions. 677 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: And do you guys, do you guys have a numbers 678 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: as far as the shoes from our team, I mean, 679 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: historically are we very very young? I can I can 680 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: tell you this year the Giants have had more snaps 681 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: by rookies than any other team in the league. It 682 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: is not particularly close. Yeah, okay, okay, I appreciate, no problem, 683 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for the phone call. I mean, I could bring 684 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: up the snap counts just to take a look at 685 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: you know who's been getting a bulk of it. You know, 686 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: Julian Love now is being asked to do a lot 687 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: more than was previously. Dexter Lawrence full time starter, Julian 688 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: Love for a full time starter now, uh, Sam Biell 689 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: slashed DeAndre Baker. They're basically sharing full time starter snaps 690 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: until the injury. Corey Ballentine was basically the full time 691 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: slot corner go offensively, Um, Daniel Jones obviously full time starter, 692 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: Darius Slayton full time starter. Shoot, that's like seven guys 693 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: right there already, which is of your starting twenty two 694 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: that a rookies. Well, and here's the and here's the 695 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: other thing. John. If Ryan Connolly doesn't get hurt he's 696 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: playing a lot too, because you know, he had a 697 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: starting job right before unfortunately he went down. So yeah, 698 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: you know you're talking about the nucleus on both sides 699 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: is composed of a number of young players, not to 700 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: mention Barkley's second year guy, Lorenzo Carter, second year guy, 701 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: b J. Hill, second year guy, Julius Pepper's third year guy. 702 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: You know, Will Hernandez second year guy. You know John 703 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: Hallapeo basically has two years of experience as a starter. Actually, 704 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: I take it back, it's really his first full year 705 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: of experience as a very early look. And it's not 706 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: an excuse. It's a reason now as coach, as the 707 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: quote I gave you, we're developing players, but it has 708 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: to show up on the field eventually too. So those 709 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: are the criteria that I'm sure ownership will will take 710 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: a close will take a close look at um when 711 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: they make whatever decisions they're gonna make win the season's over, 712 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: Remember there's still four games to go. A lot can 713 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: change in a month in football. You know, everyone thought 714 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: that the Jets are the war steam in football a 715 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: month ago. Then they win three in a row. They 716 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: love them. Then they lose to the Bengals, they hate them, 717 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: everyone's weekly. Everyone thought the Dolphins are losing on purpose. 718 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: Now they have three wins. So you just don't know. 719 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: You just don't know. Things change four or five on three. 720 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: Back to the phones. Let's go to a line to 721 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: Scott New Mexico. Pearson, Scott, what's up, hey, guys, how 722 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: you're doing to that? Um, It really doesn't matter whether 723 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,239 Speaker 1: it's the coaches or the players when you get right 724 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: down to it. The Giants are scoring right now. I 725 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: think they're averaging just about fifteen points a game, which 726 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: is second worst in the NFL, and they're third worst 727 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: in the NFL and points giving up. They're giving up 728 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: about twenty eight points a game. That's that's why it 729 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: equates to a two intend season. So my query is 730 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: more to do with mental discipline aspect, which hasn't been 731 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: solved since the first game of the season. And we 732 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: talked about this in some other broadcast I was on 733 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: with you guys, and I want to make it analogous 734 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: to what you guys do. You're prepared, uh, you know 735 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: your analysis, you've seen the plays, you've seen the games, 736 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: and you have a general understanding of more so than 737 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: the fans, I think of what's actually happening on the field, 738 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: and there was a play that I sort of exemplifies 739 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: what I'm feeling from a disappointing point of view. I 740 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: don't know if you remember the play was the first 741 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: long past play that uh Rodgers Rogers may I think 742 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: it was David Lazard, And if you looked at the play, 743 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: there were two guys, Generous Jenkins and DeAndre Baker in 744 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: the area and then Andrew play wasn't even a picture, 745 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: was sort of gloping towards them. Do you know who 746 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: had coverage on that play or how that play even developed? 747 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what the play call was 748 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: obviously based on my rudimentary knowledge, and I kind of 749 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: try to show it to some people to see if 750 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: I think I'm on the right track. It looked like 751 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: what they call an inverted cover two, and an inverted 752 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: an inverted cover two zone is basically, you know, the 753 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 1: normal cover two zone has the cornerbacks playing closer to 754 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and the too deep safety is 755 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: playing the too deep coverage right, That looked like to 756 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: me an inverted cover too, where the safeties come down 757 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: they play the short middle of the field. The linebackers 758 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: go out play short flats and the cornerbacks end up 759 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: going deep and they play the too deep zone area 760 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: of the field. So I again this is just a 761 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: guess on my part. I don't know for sure if 762 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: this is true. From my look is that Jenkins had 763 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: the deep side of the field where the player had started, 764 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,280 Speaker 1: and then as he takes that deep cross across the field, 765 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: he heads into the area where where I think it 766 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: was DeAndre Baker on that specific play should have been 767 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,800 Speaker 1: dropping back into that deep left period of the field, 768 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: and you know, he was too shallow to start, and 769 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 1: then he had trouble picking up the ball in the air, 770 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: so when he went back he couldn't locate in the 771 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: air and and and knock it away. Okay, So is 772 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: that again going back to the mental discipline part, the 773 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: coaches are obviously trying to get the players to do 774 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: what they want them to do, yet from the beginning, 775 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,919 Speaker 1: again they're not able to do it. So the real 776 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: key is are their wholesale and this is related to 777 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: obviously the other calls that called earlier, are their wholesale 778 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: changes that have to be made. Obviously, this is not 779 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: going to be a different It's not It's not going 780 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: to be the same team it was this year. And 781 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: I know Lance you addressed that a number of times. 782 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: This is a week to week league and also season 783 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,760 Speaker 1: the season, there's going to be a totally different look 784 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: to the Giants next year. So what are the requirements 785 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,479 Speaker 1: and what are the things that have to be done 786 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: in order to make this Giant a competitive team? And 787 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: I'll be glad to take your innswers off here. Guys, 788 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: thank you appreciate the phone call. Well, listen, if we 789 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: go back to you know what John and I were 790 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: talking about earlier with respect to you're putting a lot 791 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 1: of snaps in the hands of young players. You understand 792 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: that there is going to be some ups and down. 793 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: Some rookie translate their skill set immediately from college to 794 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: the pros. Other guys sometimes it takes a season before 795 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,240 Speaker 1: they just get comfortable and then year two, sometimes it clicks. 796 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: Sometimes it takes a little bit longer. So, you know, 797 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: to go back to Scott's question, John, I think there's 798 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: going to be some guys that you figure, okay, they're 799 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: gonna learn an awful lot from going through the ups 800 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: and downs. This season, and you hope that they're better 801 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: prepared the nucleus of the guys that were drafted this 802 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: year and the last year. You know, I don't think 803 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman, when he evaluates the roster is gonna say 804 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: we gotta bail on now all of these young guys. Okay, 805 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 1: let's not be naive. You don't turn the roster over 806 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 1: so much with the youth. I think you maybe try 807 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: to bring in some veterans that perhaps you can get 808 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: some better production out of. You look to to me 809 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,760 Speaker 1: boast of the depth chart. Remember the Giants were playing 810 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: a lot of games this season where you know, they 811 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: were without Stirling Shepherd, they were without Evan Ingram. Golden 812 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: Tate now misses a game. So you want to feel 813 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: as if there's not perhaps a drop off or you're 814 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: not relying on further youth on your depth chart, and 815 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: you have guys on the second and third layers who 816 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: can come in and the level of production doesn't drastically 817 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 1: fall off. So I think those are the things if 818 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: I'm Dave Gentleman, and this is just my own personal 819 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: opinion that I think he's gonna look to address as 820 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: he tries to construct a roster for next season. Big 821 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: Live is brought to you by Corps Light and doing 822 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: the Ultimate. V I P. Gained the experience courtesy of 823 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,399 Speaker 1: Course Light Text v I P to nine oh four 824 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: six four four More details to Ray and Pennsylvania on 825 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: line one is up next, Terra, Hey, guys, how you 826 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 1: trying to survive the snow? What's up? I'm trying to 827 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: survive these losses. Yeah, well us too. But I'm just 828 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,879 Speaker 1: want to take you guys back to something Gentleman said 829 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: before the season started. He had one of his press 830 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: conferences and a reporter act them talking about the defense, 831 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: and he said, playmakers. He needs playmakers. I don't see 832 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: what he did to bring playmakers. And I mean, I 833 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: understand we got Golden he's doing fine, but offensively or 834 00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 1: defensively you're talking about defensively, okay, yeah, defensively. Um So 835 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: my question is, with the money we're gonna have this 836 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: this off season, is he likely going to bring in 837 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 1: some top quality playmakers or we're just gonna go with 838 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: more young players. And we go with more young players, 839 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 1: I think the situation is definte going to change. Now. 840 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm not going to say we should fire the defensive 841 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,919 Speaker 1: coach because I I said that when to you guys 842 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: last time before, and you guys literally hangked me out 843 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 1: to drive for that. But but what my question is 844 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 1: really is like, well, who fought? Will it really be? 845 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 1: I mean we're into the weeks thirteen and it's still 846 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: the same thing on defense, no pressure, linebackers is not 847 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 1: hold enough, the secondary giving up big plays. So I mean, 848 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,720 Speaker 1: if we're gonna say, okay, it's a young defensive squad, 849 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: we don't have playmakers, I mean, I mean, what do 850 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: we do? I mean, I've never seen the giant defense 851 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: looks this bad man, I'm goin of I hear you, 852 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:06,240 Speaker 1: well almost years now, not right. Look, I'm with you. 853 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: I've never seen a defense. Look what this money we have? 854 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 1: I mean, we gotta get somebody in here man that 855 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: we need. We need some big time stud So that 856 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: means that he might have to spend money just like 857 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: some guys in here to turn this ball club around. 858 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: I mean, because the young players is not going to 859 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: do it because it's going to take them a while 860 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: to develop. Yeah, I look right, here's here's how I 861 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 1: look at it. I think you have to I think 862 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: you need to bring in one stuff like if you're 863 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: looking at defense and the free agency, if they don't 864 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,439 Speaker 1: bring in one really good, top defensive position player at 865 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: some level of the defense, I'd be surprised. You have 866 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,720 Speaker 1: that much money you're gonna bring in at least one stud, 867 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 1: whether that stud ends up being an inside linebacker like 868 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 1: the Jets maybe trying to add c. J. Mosley, or 869 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: if you're looking at a uh an edge rusher the 870 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: way the Packers ad is a Darius Smith and Preston 871 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: Smith maybe something like that. Yes, I'm with you. Do 872 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 1: I think they go out and in three of those guys. No, 873 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 1: And you're right, And I don't recall your your previous call. 874 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,399 Speaker 1: If you're a rough on you, I apologize. But we're 875 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 1: at the point of the season now where you've had 876 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 1: so many the same issues crop up, and you've had 877 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: so many issues where you have to look at everything. 878 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,400 Speaker 1: You know, everything has to be under examination at this point, 879 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,839 Speaker 1: and then when you do that examination, you decide what 880 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: path you're going to go down. And you do, Uh, 881 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,479 Speaker 1: I don't. I haven't looked enough at the free agent 882 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: class to know what position you target in free agency, 883 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: what position you target in the draft. It looks like 884 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 1: right now, the Giants will be picking second overall right 885 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 1: now if they're in the draft, which means that you know, 886 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: that could be Chase Young, which would be really, really nice, 887 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 1: and then maybe you don't have to spend a bazillion 888 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: dollars on a pass rusher. So I think that's kind 889 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: of where you're at, and you evaluate everything once the 890 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: season is over and you decide your best play way forward, 891 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: because you're right, they do need to add difference making 892 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: playmakers that other teams have to account for, because right now, 893 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,439 Speaker 1: I don't think you have somebody on this defense where 894 00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 1: you head into a game and the other team says, 895 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,839 Speaker 1: we have to game plan for this one particular player. 896 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,840 Speaker 1: Lennon Williams is a good player. I just don't know 897 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: if people are game planning for him quite yet, you 898 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Well, and here's the other thing 899 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,799 Speaker 1: that you need to take into consideration. Ray Green Bay, 900 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 1: to me, is an excellent example that John just brought up, 901 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: because the Packers were not a team that went on 902 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: a spending spree. If you look at them historically, they 903 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: really build their defense through the draft, with the exception 904 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,760 Speaker 1: of Julius Peppers and by the time they brought in Peppers, 905 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: he wasn't necessarily still you know, in the prime of 906 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: his Charles Woodson back in the day, Charles Wilson, but 907 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: that's another guy later in his career, and then you know, 908 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 1: also wound up changing positions too. But Green Bay has 909 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 1: drafted jay r Alexander. And the reason I bring up 910 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: this team is because you saw these guys yesterday, Darnell 911 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: Savage at safety who had one of the interceptions. They 912 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: complimented him with Adrian Amos, who they brought in from 913 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 1: the Bears free agent safety. Kenny Clark was a draft pick, right, 914 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 1: Kenny Clark was a drafted and then Preston Smith and 915 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,360 Speaker 1: sa Darius Smith. So you know, I don't think you 916 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,239 Speaker 1: were saying when you were bringing in the term you know, 917 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,399 Speaker 1: star studded. I guess the way that I interpret that, Terray, 918 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: is you're not necessarily looking for a home run wound 919 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: me name, You're looking for production value. You know, you 920 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 1: could go out and get quality free agents, but they 921 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: don't necessarily have to be like guys that are on 922 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 1: commercials all the time. I think that to me is 923 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: something that is synonymous with when you say go out 924 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 1: and get a star very few times in the NFL. 925 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: The team that wins free agency, it actually translates to wins. Okay, 926 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,240 Speaker 1: you're not trying to put together the Eagles dream team. 927 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: You're trying to spend your money wisely. And and the 928 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 1: reason I bring that up is because you brought up 929 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen and Jerry Ree spent a lot of 930 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 1: money and it did help the team. But it helped 931 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: the team essentially for the short term. For one year. Okay, 932 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 1: he brought in Snacks, he brought in Olivier Vernon, he 933 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,360 Speaker 1: brought in Geno's Jenkins. All players that field needs and 934 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: all players that produce. But after sixteen, then all of 935 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: a sudden, you realize there were some other issues and 936 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 1: you had a lot of money bottled up in three players. 937 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 1: Your base has to be homegrown talent, so you gotta 938 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: do it a combination. Wise, it's gotta be youth, and 939 00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,799 Speaker 1: then it's gotta be those complementary free agent that you 940 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,439 Speaker 1: know are going to get good bang for your buck. 941 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: Because and once again I'll let you continue. The Chicago Bears, 942 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 1: Khalil Mack was acquired via trade. Leonard Floyd was drafted. 943 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 1: Ro Kwan Smith was drafted Jackson. Okay, they did not 944 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: go out and buy all of those guys, and they 945 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: have one of the best defenses in the NFL. So 946 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, the free agent money, yeah, key Macks, the 947 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: free agent money doesn't always necessarily where Kyle Fuller is 948 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,080 Speaker 1: another guy too. You know a lot of those guys 949 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,320 Speaker 1: were drafted in Chicago and that's why the defense is 950 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,759 Speaker 1: good because the nucleus is strong. That way. Finish up Tory. 951 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 1: What else? Yeah, alright, one quick question. I will take 952 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,799 Speaker 1: this question off the air, Yes, sir, I mean to me, 953 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,399 Speaker 1: it just seems like the offense is fine. I mean, 954 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 1: maybe we need some more little offers of line players. 955 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 1: Maybe we could get that through the draft, But I 956 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 1: mean I think we should just like last yeah, I fell, 957 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: I think the defense needed to be the top priority. 958 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,840 Speaker 1: I think we need that top priority again this off season. 959 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: So I just want to know if you guys was 960 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,920 Speaker 1: in that general manager to position, or even the you're 961 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 1: older position, what would you guys what would be your 962 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 1: guy top priority? And I take that question. You know, 963 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: some of the first John in Pennsylvania's trying to make 964 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: us the owner right now. He's trying to make us 965 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:16,319 Speaker 1: the GM. Do we get the salary with that? Yeah, 966 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: we're handing out this advance reciprocated. Yeah, I'll do it 967 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 1: for a week and take that selling and get the 968 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:27,279 Speaker 1: hell out of here. Um um yeah. Look, I think 969 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: defense was a priority last year, but quarterbacks always the 970 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,840 Speaker 1: top priority and and that's always the most important position 971 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: on the field. So when they have a chance to 972 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,239 Speaker 1: draft that top quarterback and you think he's your guy 973 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,839 Speaker 1: for the future, and it looks like Daniel Jones has 974 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,359 Speaker 1: the chance to be that guy, we don't know either 975 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,919 Speaker 1: way yet, but I think only signs are that he's 976 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,719 Speaker 1: got something where his arrow is gonna wind up and 977 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 1: his star is gonna go. We don't know. Um. Not 978 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 1: everyone's progression as linear. That's not how the world and 979 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,160 Speaker 1: athletes work. So we got to see where he winds up. 980 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 1: But after that, look, Dexter Lawrence defensive player, right, DeAndre 981 00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:01,400 Speaker 1: Baker defensive player, Oshane Ziminez defensive player. So your second 982 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,399 Speaker 1: first round, your third for your third first round pick, 983 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 1: and your third round picks, so three out of your 984 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 1: four selections were all defensive players. Then you throw Connolly 985 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: on on on top of that. Four of your first 986 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 1: five picks. We're defensive players. So do I think defense 987 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: is gonna be another focus of this year's draft. Yeah. 988 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,360 Speaker 1: I also do think, as tore point to add, you 989 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,279 Speaker 1: do have to start getting younger on the offensive line. 990 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: Your two tackles are on the wrong side of thirty. 991 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,600 Speaker 1: You know John Hallipe, Oh he's almost thirty. I think 992 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,600 Speaker 1: he's like twenty eight. John Hallipe, if I'm not mistaken, 993 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,880 Speaker 1: something like that's doing us prime. But that's a spot 994 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,320 Speaker 1: that you keep an eye on. You know, Zeitler and 995 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: Hernando's under contract. That wouldn't expect anything to happen a guard, 996 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,239 Speaker 1: but exactly so, I think that's what you look at. 997 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,319 Speaker 1: But yeah, look, I'm with Torey. I think defense is 998 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,640 Speaker 1: gonna be a huge focus this offseason, whether you're looking 999 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,360 Speaker 1: at free agency or the draft, because guys, look, I 1000 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,920 Speaker 1: mean there is not wrong. I mean the type of 1001 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,399 Speaker 1: chunk plays and third down, third and long conversions. I've 1002 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,319 Speaker 1: seen this defense give up consistently. You haven't seen it 1003 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,879 Speaker 1: here a whole lot. Yeah, I think it goes without saying. 1004 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,760 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, even if you didn't watch the Giants 1005 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 1: play much this season, if you look at statistically, you 1006 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,839 Speaker 1: know where they're at right now in a number of categories. 1007 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,120 Speaker 1: How can you not say that defense is a priority 1008 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,080 Speaker 1: going back to, you know, the top of the draft 1009 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,919 Speaker 1: last year, I don't think it's debatable if you're high 1010 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,479 Speaker 1: on a quarterback, you don't hesitate because it's so hard 1011 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 1: to find the franchise quarterback. But you know, for those 1012 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,840 Speaker 1: of you that want to play, the kuddle would have 1013 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,920 Speaker 1: should have a game with Josh Allen for example. I'm 1014 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: sorry I forgot about Julian Love. You have your draftless 1015 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 1: so after Jones, your next five selections, we're all defensive players. 1016 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: Part of me sorry for not a problem. Well, that's 1017 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,719 Speaker 1: why throughout, even Ryan Connolly, I mean, the focus from 1018 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,719 Speaker 1: top to bottom was the defense. I mean, I know 1019 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,120 Speaker 1: Chris Layden didn't ultimately make the roster, but even in 1020 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,759 Speaker 1: the seventh round, you also address defense. By the way, 1021 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,719 Speaker 1: Julian Love played pretty well in that game yesterday, second 1022 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,080 Speaker 1: straight game. He's done a nice job. I'm been happy 1023 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,040 Speaker 1: what I've seen from him so far, which is encouraging 1024 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,080 Speaker 1: because you want these young guys to do well considering 1025 00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 1: you know, it goes back to you know, that's the 1026 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,560 Speaker 1: new leads to the team. I guess what I was 1027 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,080 Speaker 1: going to bring up was not to get off on 1028 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,080 Speaker 1: the whole tangent. But you know, the debate for a 1029 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 1: lot of people still is, you know, well, what would 1030 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 1: have Josh Allen, for example, done for this defense? Well, 1031 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,840 Speaker 1: look at Jacksonville for example. You know, Josh Allen was 1032 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,000 Speaker 1: added to a defense that I thought, on paper was 1033 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,240 Speaker 1: really good and was one of the most opportunistic defenses 1034 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,040 Speaker 1: in recent history. You know, guys like Calais, Campbell, Yannick 1035 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,319 Speaker 1: and Gokway and Jacksonville is a team having its own 1036 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,719 Speaker 1: fair share of issues. So you know, it's not so 1037 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,200 Speaker 1: simple where you take one player, you substitute for the other, 1038 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,960 Speaker 1: and then the Giants are in a completely different position. Clearly, 1039 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,200 Speaker 1: it's gonna take playmakers across the board to help this defse, 1040 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,239 Speaker 1: not just one game. One individual pass rusher doesn't make 1041 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,400 Speaker 1: the difference. I mean, look at the how the Broncos 1042 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,960 Speaker 1: doing with von Miller. What's the Bears record with clil Mac, 1043 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,320 Speaker 1: What's the Jaguars record with all there we're talking about? 1044 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,399 Speaker 1: What's the Eagles record? Who was one of the top 1045 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,000 Speaker 1: pass rushing units in the league. How about the Cardinals 1046 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: with Chandler Jones and um Carl Sucks. I'm listening. All 1047 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 1: these teams are great edge rushers. What's their record? None 1048 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,799 Speaker 1: of them are any good, So it takes Look, you 1049 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,200 Speaker 1: need that guy, but he's a piece of the puzzle. 1050 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,399 Speaker 1: The quarterback is what drives you at some point. Well, 1051 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,880 Speaker 1: and also what you just laid out is complementary football 1052 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,640 Speaker 1: is what drives you. John. You know you can have 1053 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,520 Speaker 1: a great defense, for example the Bears, and the offense 1054 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,040 Speaker 1: has been somewhat anemic this season, so you know there's 1055 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,040 Speaker 1: gonna be games where you give up nineteen points, but 1056 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,600 Speaker 1: your offense can only score seventeen, So what good is that? 1057 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 1: And then you have teams that have unbelievable offenses, like 1058 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,240 Speaker 1: the Saints when they went seven and nine three years 1059 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,560 Speaker 1: in a row, and Drew Brees had no defense, so 1060 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,880 Speaker 1: he could put up thirty five points. They give up 1061 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,759 Speaker 1: forty and they lose the game, and so they have 1062 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,319 Speaker 1: a defense. All of a sudden, Drew Breus is winning 1063 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,200 Speaker 1: games again. And it's not a surprise because complimentary football 1064 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,120 Speaker 1: is what wins in this Alright, two more calls. Lennon 1065 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,759 Speaker 1: Columbia Marland is up next. Hey ln Hey, guys, how 1066 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,640 Speaker 1: you doing so, how long did you make it in 1067 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,920 Speaker 1: the stands? Do that terrible weather on Sunday? Well, I 1068 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,560 Speaker 1: didn't get there. Oh, I don't blame Lan, honestly, I 1069 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:55,960 Speaker 1: don't blame you. And by the way, what are the 1070 00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,920 Speaker 1: real quickly it was it was by design and it 1071 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:03,759 Speaker 1: was all about uh fifty years of history on the 1072 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,640 Speaker 1: the roadway between New York and Washington, d C. On 1073 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:16,240 Speaker 1: a Thanksgiving weekend. By the mate, I must admit Diehart 1074 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,279 Speaker 1: Giants fans grabbed grabbed the two tickets for his sister. So, 1075 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:25,160 Speaker 1: but yeah, I didn't get there. Look miserable, lily from 1076 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:29,360 Speaker 1: the you know, from the from the sports bar stool, 1077 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,480 Speaker 1: it looked kind of like fun rolling around in the snow. 1078 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,799 Speaker 1: But I'm sure it wasn't that. I mean, I mean, 1079 00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,960 Speaker 1: what can you say. I mean, eight in a row. Uh, 1080 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's a bad team playing bad and um, 1081 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,160 Speaker 1: you know, I don't see it getting any better. I 1082 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,919 Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen. I don't know what's 1083 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,920 Speaker 1: going to happen with the coaches, guys. I mean, that's 1084 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,960 Speaker 1: going to be an ownership decision. Obviously. It's probably even 1085 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,200 Speaker 1: gonna be above gettleman. I think those two owners are 1086 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,560 Speaker 1: going to make the decisions. Dave's going to be able 1087 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,279 Speaker 1: to sell list to them. They're just going to have 1088 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,759 Speaker 1: to decide what director and they want to go. It's 1089 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,160 Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be tough to sell to this market. 1090 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,799 Speaker 1: I mean, this is not Jacksonville. You can't sell eight 1091 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:16,960 Speaker 1: losses in a row, nine losses franchise record. Last time 1092 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,000 Speaker 1: that happened, they fired the coach. They got to seven 1093 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 1: and they fired the coach. They lost two more and 1094 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,160 Speaker 1: then won a couple of games. Seventy six first year 1095 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,920 Speaker 1: at Giant Stadium. By the way, Um, you know, I 1096 00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,920 Speaker 1: I think if if I think, if shermaner it's coming back. 1097 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,640 Speaker 1: He's going to be given a choice, and the choices 1098 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:42,760 Speaker 1: he's gonna have to make some desperate decisions on defense. 1099 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,680 Speaker 1: He's gonna have to get rid of some friends. He's 1100 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,880 Speaker 1: going to have to change some of those assistant coaches. 1101 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,920 Speaker 1: It's not working. You don't have to be an expert 1102 00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,080 Speaker 1: to see that. It's week after week. We're not losing 1103 00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,920 Speaker 1: to the iron of the league. You should be able 1104 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,279 Speaker 1: to You shouldn't lose eight games to this string of 1105 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,800 Speaker 1: teams who are playing. I know the schedule doesn't mean anything. 1106 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,880 Speaker 1: A year and a half away from starting the season 1107 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,360 Speaker 1: or whatever. It is. A year away from starting the season, 1108 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,560 Speaker 1: it gets tougher next year. We should be winning some 1109 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,759 Speaker 1: of these games. There's no reason not. If I'm ownership, 1110 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,680 Speaker 1: if I'm missed the tissue, if i missed the Mara, 1111 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,560 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there saying, why are we losing to these teams, 1112 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,920 Speaker 1: to these games in these situations this He's gonna have 1113 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,680 Speaker 1: to make some choices. There are gonna be coaching child. 1114 00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,799 Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be big time coaching changes even 1115 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,160 Speaker 1: if Pat comes back. Now, if he says, no, I'm 1116 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,719 Speaker 1: not changing I'm not changing my defensive coordinator. If I'm 1117 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,480 Speaker 1: not changing my defensive backfield coach, my linebacker coach, if 1118 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,680 Speaker 1: I'm not changing those guys, uh, you know, if I'm 1119 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,840 Speaker 1: not making some changes on offense, He's not coming back. 1120 00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,600 Speaker 1: This is gonna be. This is not gonna be Dave 1121 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,880 Speaker 1: talking to Mr the Tissue, Mr Mara saying here's what 1122 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,000 Speaker 1: we should do, Mr Matter and miss the tish. A're 1123 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,799 Speaker 1: gonna lay it out at the end of the sea. 1124 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,200 Speaker 1: And you know what, I trust him. I trust him 1125 00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,400 Speaker 1: to do the right thing. Whatever they do is okay 1126 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,640 Speaker 1: with me? Alright, they think patch the guy. If they 1127 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,880 Speaker 1: think patch the guy, patch the guy, I'm gonna go 1128 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,279 Speaker 1: with it. How was your Thanksgiving? Len? Was it good? 1129 00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:24,400 Speaker 1: Little turkey? Your little turkey? Was it good? Yubby? Ok? Okay, listen, 1130 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,719 Speaker 1: thanks for taking my call. Hey, look look at this, 1131 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,319 Speaker 1: you keep working. Of the season left. We got four 1132 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,800 Speaker 1: games left, we got to we got two home games 1133 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:38,080 Speaker 1: and three division games left. Oh my goodness, I know, 1134 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,120 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, who against Billy? All right, guys, thanks 1135 00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,600 Speaker 1: for taking always been here for me. Thank you very much. 1136 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,120 Speaker 1: Thanks wayneing, and we appreciate your take. And obviously I 1137 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,160 Speaker 1: don't we don't know how that process is gonna go, 1138 00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,640 Speaker 1: but at your opinion, and you're welcome to it. Two 1139 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,680 Speaker 1: on five on three, and we saved the best for 1140 00:53:54,840 --> 00:54:01,360 Speaker 1: last for Lance lovely Charlie. Hey, guys, hey, let me 1141 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,080 Speaker 1: say this. For one thing, Geedleman didn't have to destroy 1142 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,320 Speaker 1: the team. He didn't have to trade O'Dell. He didn't 1143 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,560 Speaker 1: have to get rid of Snacks, he didn't have to 1144 00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,600 Speaker 1: get rid of Nard. He didn't have to tear down. 1145 00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:18,040 Speaker 1: This was his choice, It wasn't It didn't have to 1146 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,400 Speaker 1: be this way he had some good hold on one second, 1147 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,680 Speaker 1: just just just I don't want to hear no, no, 1148 00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,080 Speaker 1: I'm not going there. This is where I'm going. Okay, Okay, 1149 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,400 Speaker 1: go ahead. You realize Snacks has been bad with Detroit 1150 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,120 Speaker 1: this year, right, Like he hasn't played well. You realize that, right, 1151 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,359 Speaker 1: your aze. Eli Apples hasn't played very well with New Orleans, right, 1152 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,480 Speaker 1: he hasn't played as good, but he's been playing better 1153 00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:46,160 Speaker 1: than what we've got hasn't been hasn't been on the field. 1154 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,319 Speaker 1: So all the guys that you listened that that you 1155 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,959 Speaker 1: hate that he got rid of, they haven't really contributed much. 1156 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:52,959 Speaker 1: And Odell is having the worst year of his career, 1157 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,759 Speaker 1: by the way. Yeah, but he wouldn't be having the 1158 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,920 Speaker 1: worst his career if he was still with the Giants. Okay, 1159 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,440 Speaker 1: don't know. I was told that that that Baker Mayfield 1160 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:03,799 Speaker 1: was going to a leash him. But that's what I 1161 00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:05,880 Speaker 1: heard before the year. That's just me. I didn't say that. 1162 00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,040 Speaker 1: I'm kidding, Charlie. I'm making a joke, okay. And the 1163 00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,799 Speaker 1: other thing is is what is Barkley talking about? He 1164 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,680 Speaker 1: said he said in practice, we're a ten and two team. 1165 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:21,719 Speaker 1: You're not paying anybody zero, you're not paying anybody. I 1166 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:26,480 Speaker 1: think the point paying. I think the point he's making 1167 00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,759 Speaker 1: is that there to the team is still engaged, they're 1168 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,840 Speaker 1: putting good effort. I'm pointing out, Okay, that's okay. Nobody's 1169 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,399 Speaker 1: telling you but Charlie. But Charlie. But you know what, 1170 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,400 Speaker 1: you know what you're also laying out, which is my belief. 1171 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,880 Speaker 1: There's only so much investment you should put into what 1172 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,080 Speaker 1: players say in the postgame pressers or what they say 1173 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:45,279 Speaker 1: during the week. At the end of the day, they 1174 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,359 Speaker 1: got to go perform on Sundays no matter what they say. 1175 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,080 Speaker 1: You may agree with everything they say, and they still 1176 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,319 Speaker 1: may not perform on Sunday. So what good is it 1177 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,160 Speaker 1: to go overly crazy over a sound bite taken out 1178 00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:56,839 Speaker 1: of context, which at the end of the day means 1179 00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,560 Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. Because your point is, if practice is going well, 1180 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,560 Speaker 1: and they believe practices going well, and they are engaged, 1181 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,200 Speaker 1: and I'm not doubting any of that, if it doesn't 1182 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,160 Speaker 1: translate to Sundays at the end of the day, why 1183 00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,400 Speaker 1: are we having a conversation over a meaningless sound by exactly, 1184 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,000 Speaker 1: It's just it's just the stupidity of it, and the 1185 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:18,160 Speaker 1: other thing is, look, Daniel Jones is leading the league 1186 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,400 Speaker 1: twenty three turnovers. He had three and twenty one turnovers, Charlie, 1187 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,520 Speaker 1: But who's counting? Huh? I know that the facts. God 1188 00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,640 Speaker 1: forbid you get anything accurately. Did you say, I said, 1189 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,879 Speaker 1: twenty one is the accurate number? You've given him too much? 1190 00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,080 Speaker 1: He had he played, He's got ten lost fumbles and 1191 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,240 Speaker 1: eleven interceptions maps in the Dallas game. And you guys 1192 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,520 Speaker 1: never count that well in terms of the Dallas game. 1193 00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,080 Speaker 1: How many and how many turners did you have in 1194 00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,279 Speaker 1: the Dallas game in the first Dallas game, the first 1195 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,560 Speaker 1: Dallas game at the end of the game, So you 1196 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,560 Speaker 1: explain to me how you're getting too twenty three? Then 1197 00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:52,960 Speaker 1: you still explain to me how you get into because 1198 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,560 Speaker 1: the data that I saw he was nineteen turnovers and 1199 00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:03,200 Speaker 1: he has three in this game. And December Scott was 1200 00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,719 Speaker 1: a fumble nobody, nobody, no joy, but that that wasn't 1201 00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,319 Speaker 1: recovered by the other team. It's not a turnover if 1202 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,800 Speaker 1: it's not recovered by the other team. I'm just throwing 1203 00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,880 Speaker 1: that in there, because again, yeah he didn't lose the fumble, 1204 00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:20,040 Speaker 1: but he fumbled again. You can't know. Let me just 1205 00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:21,800 Speaker 1: say that. And by the way, that's on the exchange 1206 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,160 Speaker 1: is not necessarily a Jones fumble. But okay, you've got 1207 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:28,400 Speaker 1: Miami and you've got the Bengals. They were losing like crazy. 1208 00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,400 Speaker 1: What did they do. They both went back to their 1209 00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:36,120 Speaker 1: veteran quarterback and they started winning. And if we don't 1210 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,560 Speaker 1: go back to Eli these last four games, we are 1211 00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,120 Speaker 1: not going to win another game. And Jones is going 1212 00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,160 Speaker 1: to break the record for the most turnovers in history 1213 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,720 Speaker 1: or really quarterback in the season. First of all, I 1214 00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,840 Speaker 1: don't know what that record is. Do you know what 1215 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:59,280 Speaker 1: is three three? By Winston? His mentor, Jamison Winston. He's 1216 00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,000 Speaker 1: two point if Jamison Winston. And if they keep playing 1217 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,400 Speaker 1: this guy, they're insane. They are insane. We know who 1218 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,680 Speaker 1: he is, we know what he can do and what 1219 00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:13,440 Speaker 1: he can do in the game. And you need Elie 1220 00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,440 Speaker 1: to win the game. He is not going to win 1221 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,160 Speaker 1: a Gamelie. How many wins do the Bengals have. By 1222 00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,920 Speaker 1: the way, it doesn't matter. We we should be one 1223 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,840 Speaker 1: of the one in eleven two. The stupid field goal 1224 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,160 Speaker 1: kick a miss. That's the only reason we're not one. 1225 00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,600 Speaker 1: In eleven We were tied with the Bengals. Don't give 1226 00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,240 Speaker 1: me that land. What am I giving you? I have 1227 00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:38,600 Speaker 1: no responses to anything you say. Charlie haven't given anything. Look, look, 1228 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,680 Speaker 1: no one will argue, and I'm not gonna argue for 1229 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,400 Speaker 1: a second that Daniel Jones's turnover issues already problem. I 1230 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,800 Speaker 1: think it was good to see this week, and this 1231 00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,040 Speaker 1: is one of the good things that I was going 1232 00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:49,960 Speaker 1: to bring up. And then I'll address the interceptions too, 1233 00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,040 Speaker 1: because that's obviously something you don't want. There were two 1234 00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:57,600 Speaker 1: different situations where pass rushers came in, swiped at the ball, 1235 00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,560 Speaker 1: hit Jones really hard on the arm him as he's 1236 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,520 Speaker 1: holding the football, and he held onto a both time. 1237 00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,000 Speaker 1: So I do think that was a good sign in 1238 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,160 Speaker 1: terms of ball protection, in terms of not fumbling. Now, 1239 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,400 Speaker 1: as for the interceptions, and I've said this before and 1240 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm consistent, the interceptions have always worried me a lot 1241 00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,080 Speaker 1: more than the fumbles do, because I think that the 1242 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,600 Speaker 1: fumbles can be corrected with proper mechanics. Like the two 1243 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,800 Speaker 1: points I mentioned, he had two hands on the football. 1244 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,720 Speaker 1: The interceptions are a problem, and eleven interceptions and eleven 1245 00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,360 Speaker 1: starts or eleven interceptions rather in ten starts eleven games 1246 00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,800 Speaker 1: is too many. He's averaging two turnovers a game. It's 1247 00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,200 Speaker 1: hard to win that way. And if that continues, Charlie, 1248 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,840 Speaker 1: you're right, they are not going to win many games. 1249 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,040 Speaker 1: If he's averaging two turnovers a game. No one's going 1250 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,800 Speaker 1: to argue that point. It's it's it's a statistic and 1251 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,400 Speaker 1: it's accurate. Now when it comes to the interceptions that 1252 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,960 Speaker 1: the three picks in the game were different, Uh, the 1253 00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,160 Speaker 1: one the Shepherd was a simple bad play on an overthrow. 1254 00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,160 Speaker 1: That was the second one. The first one was a 1255 00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,640 Speaker 1: bad decision. He tried to throw a comeback route against 1256 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,040 Speaker 1: too deep manned under coverage when the corners and what 1257 01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,640 Speaker 1: they call trail technique, which is basically trailing the receiver 1258 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:10,920 Speaker 1: between the quarterback um and the receiver so that come 1259 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,160 Speaker 1: background does not work against that coverage. That's a ball 1260 01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,040 Speaker 1: he should not have thrown. Yes, that was the first 1261 01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,600 Speaker 1: one of the game. That was a big mistake. And then, 1262 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,000 Speaker 1: and we've talked about this before. You know, it's great 1263 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,680 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones will throw contested balls up and trust receiver 1264 01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,320 Speaker 1: to go out there and make the play. Well, guess what, 1265 01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,160 Speaker 1: when you're willing to make those throws sometimes sometimes Darius 1266 01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,520 Speaker 1: Lyon's gonna go up and make the play. Other times 1267 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,720 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a little something off with the timing 1268 01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,320 Speaker 1: and location, and the quarterback is gonna go up there 1269 01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:37,919 Speaker 1: and make the play. And that's what happened on that play. 1270 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:42,480 Speaker 1: But Charlie, you're right, and Daniel Jones right now, if 1271 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,280 Speaker 1: even if you go buy a Pro Football Focus, they 1272 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,400 Speaker 1: track what you call turnover worthy plays, which even counts 1273 01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:52,760 Speaker 1: dropped interceptions um as a turnover worthy play. Right he 1274 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,200 Speaker 1: is only he's second most in the league this year, 1275 01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,080 Speaker 1: and just I believe one fewer than Jamis Winston. It's Jamis, 1276 01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,560 Speaker 1: by the way, not Jamison, Jamis j Is faced in. 1277 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,600 Speaker 1: So that's a big problem. It has to get fixed. 1278 01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,360 Speaker 1: But I think you have to give the young quarterback 1279 01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,120 Speaker 1: more than one season to fix it. And I'm not 1280 01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,960 Speaker 1: saying that, but we don't need to have him play 1281 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,840 Speaker 1: anymore this season, but every year. Every game experience he 1282 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,520 Speaker 1: gets now will help him later. What I mean, he's 1283 01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,880 Speaker 1: had enough, he hasn't gotten better. He needs to sit 1284 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,720 Speaker 1: and watch eli the last four games. Try to win 1285 01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,960 Speaker 1: these games. The best chance to win. The gut feeling 1286 01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,880 Speaker 1: is for me, the best chance to win. Is Eli 1287 01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:38,080 Speaker 1: and Tish and Mara know that, and they should call 1288 01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,280 Speaker 1: Schrmer to sit him down. Let Eli finis the last 1289 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,479 Speaker 1: four games and we might win two out of those four. 1290 01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,560 Speaker 1: And how does that help Daniel Jones win? And how 1291 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,720 Speaker 1: does that help Daniel Jones and the franchise long term? 1292 01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,760 Speaker 1: By sitting and watching and learning and seeing what he's 1293 01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,400 Speaker 1: been doing. Wait a minute, Charlie, do you do you, Charlie, 1294 01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,840 Speaker 1: do you think do you think that Daniel Jones on 1295 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,560 Speaker 1: a Monday when he comes into the facility he just 1296 01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,840 Speaker 1: throws a ball against the wall and stares at this guy. 1297 01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,920 Speaker 1: What do you think he's going back and watching, Charlie 1298 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:10,840 Speaker 1: eats lunch. He eats lunch. That get no, But you 1299 01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:17,880 Speaker 1: just said, you just said he has to sit. And 1300 01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:23,120 Speaker 1: we had a coach with any an, you know, yeah, 1301 01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:28,560 Speaker 1: forget your words, your loss for words. Were lost for words, Charlie, 1302 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,720 Speaker 1: Thank you, And who knows that the next coach is 1303 01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,280 Speaker 1: even going to keep Jones on the team. Thank you? 1304 01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,800 Speaker 1: All right, Charlie, thank you, thank you. We got it, 1305 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:40,480 Speaker 1: We got But here's the bottom line. There's no way 1306 01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,800 Speaker 1: a guy learns more from not doing something than doing something. 1307 01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,840 Speaker 1: Just it's not in logical Charlie. We tried to explain 1308 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,680 Speaker 1: this to you in week four. The die has been cast, 1309 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,760 Speaker 1: all right, barring an injury. Look, and maybe will they 1310 01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,480 Speaker 1: give Elie some you know snaps in the final home game, 1311 01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,200 Speaker 1: because it's the final home game and it could be, 1312 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,320 Speaker 1: you know, if he's going to retire with the gimmes looks. 1313 01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,160 Speaker 1: Who knows. I don't know. We'll address that when we 1314 01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:03,560 Speaker 1: get there. I'm sure that's gonna be a fun week 1315 01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,280 Speaker 1: of calls um from Charlie. Yeah, exactly. And I'm sure 1316 01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:08,640 Speaker 1: there's other fans are gonna want to see that too, 1317 01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,160 Speaker 1: and I find you know whatever, We'll see what happens 1318 01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:15,480 Speaker 1: and how they handle that. But look, guys, these are 1319 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,920 Speaker 1: the growing pains of a young quarterback. And the bottom 1320 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,080 Speaker 1: line is this, if Jones figure these things out and 1321 01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:23,840 Speaker 1: works through it, I think we've seen enough where you 1322 01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,240 Speaker 1: think he can be a pretty darn quarterback. If he 1323 01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,400 Speaker 1: fixes them only to a point, then you're gonna have 1324 01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,760 Speaker 1: a quarterback that's not as good if he If this 1325 01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:32,120 Speaker 1: is what he is and he's not going to get 1326 01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,240 Speaker 1: better from a tour of perspective, then yeah, you're in trouble. 1327 01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,840 Speaker 1: But to expect there to be no progress or improvement 1328 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,280 Speaker 1: from a rookie quarterback that works as but off as smartest, diligent, 1329 01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:45,680 Speaker 1: is smart understands the position. I think that's not likely. 1330 01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,480 Speaker 1: I think you expect to see improvement. So that's what 1331 01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,640 Speaker 1: you hope going forward in every game that he plays. 1332 01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,400 Speaker 1: As called Banks likes to say, every time the first 1333 01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,120 Speaker 1: time you see something is the first time he's see 1334 01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,240 Speaker 1: something in the NFL. And the more first times he 1335 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,360 Speaker 1: has and he gets out of the way that she or, 1336 01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,360 Speaker 1: the better he's going to be moving forward because you 1337 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,640 Speaker 1: hope he stores them and then he goes back to 1338 01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,160 Speaker 1: the archives when he all of a sudden sees some 1339 01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,880 Speaker 1: similar experiences. Look you see the touchdown pass he through 1340 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,720 Speaker 1: the sterling Shepherd. It was a great throw with pressure 1341 01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:15,920 Speaker 1: in his face, John and Shepherd deserves a lot of 1342 01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,320 Speaker 1: credit because he made a magnificent grab with his fingertips. 1343 01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,200 Speaker 1: How about the past to Slaton that got called back 1344 01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,400 Speaker 1: on the off sudden penalty. Yeah, so you know you're 1345 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,240 Speaker 1: seeing those flashes and then at the same time you 1346 01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,400 Speaker 1: see the three interceptions. Now he hasn't had one clean game, 1347 01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,360 Speaker 1: so you know nobody is going to get in front 1348 01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,000 Speaker 1: of a microphone here on this show and tell you 1349 01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,560 Speaker 1: that you know everything has been rainbows and lollipops, because 1350 01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,160 Speaker 1: that would be a naive perspective. So I'm not trying 1351 01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,720 Speaker 1: to act it would it would be incorrect, correct, So 1352 01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,200 Speaker 1: you know that has to be cleaned up. We go 1353 01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,680 Speaker 1: back to turnover differential. The Giants are minus fourteen? Are 1354 01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,120 Speaker 1: they worse in the league? Now, I don't know exactly 1355 01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,320 Speaker 1: what happened with the Dolphins, so I did not necessarily 1356 01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,520 Speaker 1: look at how it played out. But I can answer 1357 01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,160 Speaker 1: that question right now because we can bring it up. 1358 01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,280 Speaker 1: But I will tell you minus fourteen is not good 1359 01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,360 Speaker 1: no matter how you okay, whether they're second to last 1360 01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,080 Speaker 1: dead last, they are tied with the Dolphins for dead 1361 01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,120 Speaker 1: last minus four team, and they were minus three in 1362 01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,560 Speaker 1: that game against Green Bay. By the way, when you 1363 01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,080 Speaker 1: continue at this rate, you're not going to win football games. 1364 01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,120 Speaker 1: I don't care how much talent you have on the team, John, 1365 01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,520 Speaker 1: You're going to put yourself in a precarious spot game 1366 01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,160 Speaker 1: in the game. Might pull one off here or there, 1367 01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,680 Speaker 1: but but not gonna win consistently. It's virginally impossible. And 1368 01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:27,520 Speaker 1: you also have to play everything else to perfection. Okay, 1369 01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,840 Speaker 1: when you turn the ball over, So Daniel Jones is 1370 01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,959 Speaker 1: contributing to the turnover differential, which is why it has 1371 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,360 Speaker 1: to stop. And every team that has turnover issues, it 1372 01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,280 Speaker 1: always comes back to the quarterback. Because he handles the 1373 01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,400 Speaker 1: ball on every play, He's obviously going to be a 1374 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,480 Speaker 1: source of that. It's the way it goes, absolutely, And 1375 01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,720 Speaker 1: and look at the teams at the bottom of the 1376 01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,680 Speaker 1: NFL John in turnover differential and then there's no surprise 1377 01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,080 Speaker 1: when you look at their record the bottom four teams 1378 01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,720 Speaker 1: it turnover differential, or the Falcons, the Bengals, the Dolphins 1379 01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,280 Speaker 1: and the Giants or any of those teams going to 1380 01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,520 Speaker 1: the playoffs this year. So it's synonymous and with winning 1381 01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,560 Speaker 1: and loose. And the Packers I think in our plus eleven, right, 1382 01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,360 Speaker 1: weren't they plus eight plus? Now plus eleven? You're right, 1383 01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,200 Speaker 1: which is time for second. I'll take it a step further. 1384 01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:10,040 Speaker 1: They also are really good in terms of protecting the football. 1385 01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:15,720 Speaker 1: Rogers Aaron Rodgers over twenty touchdowns and two interceptions out 1386 01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,000 Speaker 1: twenty two touchdowns to be exact. And the Packers have 1387 01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,360 Speaker 1: the second few as giveaways in the NFL with eight 1388 01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,320 Speaker 1: and that's always been Roger strength. He does not does 1389 01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,760 Speaker 1: not give gifts to the oppositions anyway. All right, Lance, 1390 01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:30,160 Speaker 1: good times somewhat good times until the end of the show, 1391 01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,720 Speaker 1: but go ahead, yes, let's not give too many pats 1392 01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,520 Speaker 1: on the back to our last voice on this program. Tomorrow, 1393 01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,480 Speaker 1: I'm told to Tino much try to walk here through 1394 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,240 Speaker 1: the snow, so we'll see if he makes it. He's 1395 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,160 Speaker 1: gonna sleep here tonight. I'm talk they're gonna open up 1396 01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:43,800 Speaker 1: the back door for him to put up a cop 1397 01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,840 Speaker 1: That's what my sources of It'll be de Tino in 1398 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,760 Speaker 1: Salzburg with you Tomar at one thirty for another episode 1399 01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,720 Speaker 1: of Big Blue Kickoff Live. And again just to reminder, 1400 01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,160 Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickolf Live is again on its own podcast feed. 1401 01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:54,680 Speaker 1: If you try to get us in the John's Audio 1402 01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,840 Speaker 1: podcast where now on its own separate, independent feed. We 1403 01:06:57,840 --> 01:06:59,480 Speaker 1: want to make sure you get your Big Blue Kickoff 1404 01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,200 Speaker 1: love of content, nothing else if that's what you want, 1405 01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:02,960 Speaker 1: so make sure you find it on your favorite podcast 1406 01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,200 Speaker 1: platform and it will also of course be on giants 1407 01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,520 Speaker 1: dot com and the Giants Mobile app. For a Lance 1408 01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,640 Speaker 1: Metal I'm John Schmilk. Thank you for joining us on 1409 01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,920 Speaker 1: Big Blue Kick oflf Live presented by Corps Light. We'll 1410 01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,080 Speaker 1: see tomorrow on one thirty. Be safe out there on 1411 01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,240 Speaker 1: the roads. Everybody, have a great night, have a go on.