1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffor, joined by my 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: partner Everything Packers, Wes Hodkowitz. Coming to you hear from 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,159 Speaker 1: our studios at Lambeufield, and we'll start by apologizing for 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: not having our Tuesday, our normal Tuesday episode this week 6 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: yet again, an unexpected cancelation of an episode. We will 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: try to make up for it. We will try to 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: make up for it today. 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: So to mulligans, h Mulligan. 10 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, now we don't have any more can't can't miss 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: anymore Tuesdays, can miss anymore Tuesdays or Thursdays at work? Well, 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: so let's try to cover it all here as best 13 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: we can, rushing through perhaps a little bit. Twenty seven 14 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: to twenty was the final score against the Giants out 15 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: in New Jersey. And this was a This was kind 16 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: of a just a chaos type of game in a 17 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: way the way it unfolded west not only with the 18 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: Giants having Jamis Winston and various substitutes at key positions 19 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: for them, but then the Packers were dealing with Jordan 20 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: Love Goes out with the shoulder injury. Milik Willis comes 21 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: in leads a touchdown drive. Josh Jacobs leads the game 22 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: with a knee injury, Emmanuel Wilson has to take over, 23 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: and it all came down to an interception by Evan 24 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: Williams after the Packers dropped numerous interceptions throughout the course. 25 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: Of the day. 26 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: But they got a victory that they absolutely desperately needed 27 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: after the two straight losses at home. They got themselves 28 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: to six three and one. And for all the warts 29 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: in this game, A, it was a victory and B 30 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 1: there were still some pretty good performances out there across 31 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 1: the board. 32 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 3: But I mean, you don't win this game without how 33 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: that last five minutes went, and looking specifically at I 34 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 3: have to say it, I mean Christian Watson. It was 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 3: my story after the game for the locker Room report. 36 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 3: He made four catches in this game, and I think 37 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: the Packers needed every single one of them to win it. 38 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: When you go back to his one yard touchdown catch 39 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 3: from Malik Willis, the time in which the Packers were 40 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 3: reeling right, They're down seven to nothing the Giants for 41 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 3: the first time the season. I believe the defense allowed 42 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 3: a touchdown on the opening drive for Green Bay it 43 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: was the. 44 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: First time the defense allowed a touchdown in the first 45 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: quarter of the season period for Green Bay. 46 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: So that Booye's my point. 47 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 3: No, But and then you know, Christian comes up with 48 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 3: a really good concentration, strong hands catch. He has two 49 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: third down catches to ignite both of the next two 50 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 3: scoring drives. 51 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. 52 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: And then when the Chips are down double covered, Jordan 53 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 3: Love throws a magnificent pass to him. The go ahead 54 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 3: score twenty to twenty seven to twenty puts Green Bay up. 55 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 3: At the time, the Packers struggled with drops of this game, 56 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 3: and they struggled with pulling down interceptions. Yeah, and it 57 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: was two specific players, Watson on the offensive side of 58 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 3: the ball and Evan Williams on the defensive side of 59 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 3: the ball that made them right. Because Jamis Winston does 60 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 3: lead New York down the field, they are threatening the 61 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 3: Packers end zone again, and Evan Williams, as we've seen 62 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 3: this emerging playmaker, this fourth round fine from a year ago, 63 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 3: become more and more of a general back there plays. 64 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 3: It perfectly comes down with the interception. The defense responds 65 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 3: stripsack from Micah Parson's and next thing, you know, the 66 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 3: Green Bay Packers are six to three and one. 67 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, the way that game unfolded, Yes, the Packers. The 68 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: Packers had drops on offense that led to the sloppiness. 69 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: The presnat penalties went away, thankfully, but then suddenly the 70 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: drop passes come back. So you're still dealing with dealing 71 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: with some frustrating issues there on the defensive side of 72 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: the ball. The Giants were able to control the clock 73 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: and control the game very much, played their type of game, 74 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: limited possessions and all of that. Because they were able 75 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: to run the ball, they were able to move the chains. 76 00:03:54,120 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: They were converting on fourth downs multiple times. This to me, 77 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: it was it was frustrating watching the defense struggle to 78 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: get off the field. But then after the game, all 79 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: I could think about was boy, I mean, there were 80 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: there when you look at when you look at four 81 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: potential interceptions that the Packers did not come up with 82 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: in the game and throw in the third and long 83 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: screen pass where Edrin Cooper has the play blown up, 84 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: but at least from what I saw in the film, 85 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: it looked like he went a little bit too much 86 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: for the ball instead of securing the taco which would 87 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: have been like a five yard loss and forced them 88 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: to punt those five played. I mean, if any one 89 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: of those five plays, if the defense makes any one 90 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: of those five, the whole defensive performance, I think looks 91 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: different and the game unfolds completely differently. So the Packers 92 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: just had too many missed opportunities on that side of 93 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: the ball, and they've got a cash in on those. 94 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: I thought. 95 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: Two other guys that I will point out as if 96 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: you want to call him unsung heroes or whatever, but 97 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 1: they rank up there in this game. 98 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 3: For me. 99 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: One was Saveon Williams we all saw on Twitter and 100 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: everywhere else on social media getting off the bus at 101 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: MetLife Stadium in a walking boot when he arrived for 102 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: the game. He did go out there and play as 103 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: the kick returner, and then, as luck would have it, 104 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: he's on the field for a crucial third and ten 105 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: on what turned out to be the game winning touchdown 106 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: drive the second touchdown by Christian Watson late in the game. 107 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: There and Williams is essentially one on one coverage. The 108 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: play goes off schedule, the pass protection holds up incredibly 109 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: well a lot of it, thanks to Chris Brooks picking 110 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: up the blitzing linebacker and blocking him until next Sunday, 111 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: Jordan Love kind of signals for Savion to go deep, 112 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: like you know, just go and he throws it up 113 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: there for him knowing it's one on one, it's a 114 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: fifty to fifty ball, and Saveon Williams comes down with 115 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: it for a thirty three yard perception, converts the third 116 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: and ten, sets up the touchdown to Watson. Just an 117 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: incredible play with everything that that has been dealing with 118 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: with his his foot injury, to start the day in 119 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: a walking boot and to then do that. The other 120 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: one then is punter Daniel Wheelan that punt at the 121 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: end of the game after the Packers were trying to 122 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: run out the clock, they didn't get a first down, 123 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: they had to punt in the final minute and give 124 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: the ball back to the Giants. I believe it was 125 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: officially a sixty one yard punt. With the wind and 126 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: the way and everything that was going on. He absolutely 127 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: he hit as perfect a punt as you could hit. 128 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: And the Giants returner actually did an incredible job to 129 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: make a play on the ball and get up field 130 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: and get some yardage. Because Wheeland not only punted at 131 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: sixty one yards in those conditions, but it was right 132 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: over by the boundary. It was a very difficult punt 133 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: for anybody to return, and Daniel Wheeling got a game 134 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: ball from the head coach afterward. I thought, I thought, 135 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: very well deserved. Those were some tough conditions. Those conditions 136 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: contributed to two missed extra points, and there were other 137 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: issues with the snapping and the operation all that, but 138 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: Daniel Wheelan came through. And I hope for this young 139 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: man's sake, we know he's still getting better, but I 140 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: hope some recognition starts to come his way on the 141 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: national scene for what he is doing at his position. 142 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. I actually thought he had a chance at NFC 143 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 3: Special Teams Player of the Week, and then I saw 144 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 3: what the Rams punter did. I think he had was 145 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 3: at four puns forty eight yards, like two of them 146 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 3: inside the twenty, so I mean. 147 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: I guess, and one of the Rams one it literally 148 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: bounced out of bounds, like inside the one yard line, 149 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: like right by the pylon. So it was a big 150 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: time highlight play for LA. 151 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so kudos of that man. Packers know what they got. 152 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 3: Daniel Wheeland, though a very talented young punter and obviously 153 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 3: becoming a real weapon for them. I mean, Matt Lafleur 154 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 3: said it in the postgame scrum celebration. I mean a 155 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 3: field tilter, guy that is turning the field in this 156 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 3: game for Green Bay. I will also say this too 157 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 3: about Savion Williams. The energy and the enthusiasm that young 158 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: man showed after that catch. You could tell there was 159 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: so much that he wanted to express in that moment, 160 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 3: so much just internal instinctive reaction. These are the type 161 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 3: of things that he's been looking for this season. Unfortunately, 162 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: there's been a lot of nicks and bruises, and you know, 163 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: it's not the first time we've seen a guy in 164 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 3: the middle of the week been dealing with the boot 165 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 3: and then playing in games. But I don't know if 166 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 3: I've actually seen it with the foot before. Typically it's 167 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 3: an ankle related injury. So I mean the fact that 168 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: he's tough in this thing out and being available for 169 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 3: them on the kickoff return. You're going to keep in 170 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: mind Packers are already in a way kind of down 171 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 3: to their third string punt returner and Romeo Dobbs. I mean, 172 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 3: Romeo wasn't a plan to have him returning punts, but 173 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 3: that's the way this season has gone. To still have 174 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 3: cevi Na available in that capacity. Oh and then, by 175 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 3: the way, when the time comes to make a big 176 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 3: play on the ball, him, Matthew Golden. Both of those guys, 177 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 3: assuming they can stay healthy. Matthew's also dealing with the shoulder, 178 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 3: They're going to be pivotal for the Packers during this 179 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 3: final stretch. 180 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 181 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And it's worth pointing out Golden did have one 182 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: explosive catchdown the field and then also drew a defensive 183 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: pass interference down by the goal line, which ended up 184 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: being an explosive play in terms of the penalty yard 185 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: setting up a touchdown for the Packers there. And we'd 186 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: be remiss before we move on to not mention you 187 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: mentioned the play at the end of the game, Micah 188 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: Parsons getting the strip sack. Micah Parson's getting the sack 189 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: on the fourth down in the end of a sixteen 190 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: play drive. The Giants are just grinding it out, grinding 191 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: it out, controlling the clock and everything. 192 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 2: They're down. 193 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: The Giants are down by six points at that stage, 194 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: and instead of trying to kick another field goal in 195 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: those crazy wins, they decided to go for it on 196 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: fourth down in the red zone and Micah Parsons. The 197 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: word I used in Insider Inbox on Monday was relentlessness. 198 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't know how somebody, now 199 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if he was out there for all 200 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: sixteen plays, but I don't know how somebody at the 201 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: end of a sixteen play drive for the defense can 202 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: do what he did on that play. I mean when 203 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: you look at the film and what he had to 204 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: do in order to get to Winston and to get 205 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: a hold of him so that Isaiah McDuffie could come 206 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: in and help finish off, you know, for the split sack. 207 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: Just an incredible play by Parsons, and it's it's one 208 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: that sort of gets forgotten because of the way the 209 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: game ended. But that was a big time fourth down 210 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: stop and that's why Micah Parsons is getting paid what 211 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: he's getting paid. 212 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he is John Cena man, never give up, 213 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 3: and that guy just keeps coming. He can't see him. 214 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 3: I mean, for him, we heard about this. I mean 215 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 3: it's probably the number one attribute he had coming out 216 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 3: of Penn State, right. He has this relentless motor and 217 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 3: honestly give credit to him a conditioning regimen that keeps 218 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 3: him in these games. 219 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: Unbelievabire. 220 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 3: This is not a guy that is a rotational pass rusher. 221 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 3: When he is right, when he knows the system, when 222 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 3: he's healthy, he's playing seventy five eighty percent of the 223 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 3: defensive snaps. Yeah, and they can use him everywhere. This 224 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 3: is one of those games again of why you brought 225 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 3: him in, the type of difference maker he is, and 226 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 3: now to be at eight sacks on the season, all 227 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: these pressures, all these quarterback kids, I just think it's 228 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 3: very apropos for how he plays the game that just 229 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: quietly these stats just they just bundle up in the 230 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 3: appear right, because it's the moment Arizona, it's the games 231 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 3: like this, it's Pittsburgh. The guy just makes plays and 232 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 3: then you see the totality of it at the end 233 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 3: of the season. So again, I was talking to him 234 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 3: in the locker room afterwards, a bunch of us were 235 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 3: he wasn't completely pleased with the defensive performance. He felt 236 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 3: like this was a game where the offense picked up 237 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: the defense. But let's be honest, Mike. We've said it 238 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 3: since the beginning of the year. If the defense keeps 239 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 3: the opponent to twenty or fewer points if they keep 240 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 3: three touchdowns off the board, Yep, the Packer. Well in 241 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 3: this case they didn't because the extra point. But if 242 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 3: they are able to play that type of game, the 243 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 3: Packers are going to win. And this was another example 244 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 3: of that. 245 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was good to see. It was certainly good 246 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: to see the offense be able to put together those drives. 247 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: I mean in a limited possession game. I'm essentially eight possessions, 248 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: the Packers got four touchdowns. That's not a bad day's work. 249 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: We do need to shift gears though, to the Minnesota Vikings. 250 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: They are coming into lambeau Field this Sunday. It is 251 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: a noon Central time kickoff. Minnesota four and six on 252 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: the season. All sorts of talk about JJ McCarthy, the 253 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: second year quarterback who's essentially in his first year after 254 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: his rookie year was a washout due to injury, all 255 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: the growing pains that he is going through. We know 256 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: all the weapons that the Vikings have on offense. Justin 257 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: Jefferson Addison. I'm trying to remember Jordan Addison. I was 258 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: forgetting his first name. Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, TJ. Hockinson, 259 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: Aaron Jones, Jordan Mason a whole bunch of offensive weapons 260 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: around JJ McCarthy, and I'll just I'll start the discussion 261 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: by saying this West for all of the growing pains 262 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: that JJ McCarthy is going through, he has a road 263 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: victory at Soldier Field, and he has a road victory 264 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: at Ford Field in the division. Now he's coming to 265 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: Lambeau Field. That's the JJ McCarthy that the Packers have 266 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: to expect on Sunday, and the Vikings are going to 267 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: give the Packers absolutely everything they can handle. 268 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: People went and took this thing about the nine comment 269 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 3: and they've sort of it's taken on a life of 270 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 3: its own. Him saying that he turns into nine. He does, though, Dude, Yeah, 271 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 3: I mean, this is a gamer. This is a guy 272 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: that when he was at Michigan all he did was win. 273 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 3: When he was in high school, all he did was win. 274 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 3: And the thing I love about him, I think that's 275 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 3: what's gonna booie him and help him throughout his career. 276 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 3: Here is he kind of has a really short memory. 277 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 3: Now he needs to get some of the turnovers under control. 278 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 3: Here is yet to get through a game with all 279 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 3: throwing the ball to the opposition. At the NFL level. 280 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 3: But he is going to for all four quarters give 281 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 3: you everything he's got. And let's be honest. The game 282 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 3: against the Bears last week, that was the perfect example 283 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: of the league's leader in net differential for giveaways, takeaways 284 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 3: and turnover margin and the team that's thirty first, right now, 285 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 3: that was the difference. It's not like Caleb Williams really 286 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 3: outplayed JJ McCarthy. Caleb Williams didn't have a turnover, he 287 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 3: didn't throw an interception. McCarthy did. The Bears, once again, 288 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: as they've been all season, been very opportunistic. It's not 289 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 3: it's just the difference in a nineteen to seventeen winner loss. 290 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 3: It's the difference between the Bears being seven and three 291 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 3: and the Vikings being four and six. Right amongst a 292 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 3: myriad of injuries. Now, Minnesota is healthier now. Their injury 293 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 3: report this week is pretty much a third of what 294 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 3: Green Bays is. But that being said, McCarthy is at 295 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 3: this weird point where I'm sure if you talk to 296 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connell and the coaches over there, they want him 297 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: to protect the ball more. But he also has two 298 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 3: legitimate Pro Bowl All Pro type receivers to throw to, 299 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 3: and the Vikings have just been in these type of 300 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 3: games that have required him to be thrown in the 301 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 3: fourth quarter. So it's not going to be easy. Like 302 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 3: I think that's the main thing. I mean, the Packers 303 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 3: are six three and one, They've done a good job 304 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter. The Vikings have not losing three 305 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 3: of their last four. But this is going to be 306 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 3: a big time feel, big time playoff atmosphere type game. 307 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, no question is. On the other side of the ball, 308 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: you've got Brian Flores and his blitz crazy defense and 309 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: all the different looks and fronts and bluffs and different 310 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: ways that that Brian Flores wants these guys to attack. 311 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: You know, He's got Andrew van Ginkel and Jonathan Gernard 312 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: on the edges. He has Josh Mattelis and Harrison Smith 313 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: at safety. He just he has all these you know, 314 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: iven pace, that linebacker Eric Wilson, the former pack Up, 315 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: former Viking now back with the Vikings again. He's got 316 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: all these different pieces on defense that that he can 317 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: come at you from all these different angles. I mean, 318 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: this is a this is a game that will be 319 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: that will be very much about about you know, the 320 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: communication on the offensive line being on your p's and q's, 321 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: with the blitz pick up, who's got who, you know, 322 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. I will say this though, 323 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: last season, when the Packers went to US Bank Stadium 324 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: late in the year for that big game against the Vikings, 325 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: I thought Flora's defense really, you know, kind of had 326 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: their way with Green Bay's offense for a good portion 327 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: of the day, and it seemed like it felt like 328 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: Green Bay's offense in the passing game was struggling with 329 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: the man coverage that the Vikings that were playing. What 330 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: we've seen so far this year from the Packers offense 331 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: is we've seen a passing offense that almost wants man 332 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: coverage more often. There's there's been there's been a shift 333 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, the explosive plays that the 334 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: Packers have been able to get. They like man coverage. 335 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: They're going to take their chances with man coverage. I 336 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: think it just creates with where the Packers offense is 337 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: now compared to where it was last December or January 338 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: whenever that was that that Green Bay went to Minneapolis. 339 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: I think it creates a very interesting chess match because 340 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: Flores is not necessarily going to be able to use 341 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: the same game plan that he used late last season 342 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: against this version of Green Bay's offense because some things 343 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: have changed. 344 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 3: The way honestly, the Vikings are playing this year almost 345 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 3: reminds me more of what Jeff Hafley's defense looked like 346 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 3: last year, where yes, they're blitzing, but they're having to 347 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 3: get production in terms of pressuring the quarterback from really everybody. 348 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 3: Eric Wilson's second in sacks right now on this defense 349 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 3: three and a half on the year. I mean, Andrew 350 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 3: van Ginkel only has four quarterback hits, only has three sacks. 351 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 3: But you know you have Javon Hargrove that's been contributing 352 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 3: to this thing. Jalen Raymond is involved in this. I 353 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 3: think currently leads them in sacks, but they're having to 354 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 3: facilitate it a little bit more. And they only have 355 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 3: three picks on the year. So this is an opportunistic bunch. 356 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 3: It's a bunch that's going to throw a lot at you, 357 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 3: and they rank in the top ten in total yards. 358 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 3: But it's not the same type of defense is what 359 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 3: I saw last year when they were going up against it. 360 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 3: In addition to that, getting back to your original point, 361 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 3: I think there's been an evolution with Jordan Love. I 362 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 3: think there's been an evolution with some of these pass 363 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 3: catchers that they can find ways to win differently this 364 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 3: year than last. Where I think there was a pretty 365 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 3: big blueprint for when green Bay was gonna have success 366 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 3: in the downfield passing game in when they were going 367 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 3: to struggle. I think those lines have blurred a little bit, 368 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 3: and on both sides there's opportunities that I think green 369 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 3: Bay still has to take more advantage of too when 370 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 3: they do get manned. But that being said, I like 371 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 3: where green Bay is at for the struggles they've had 372 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 3: this season. I think mentally they've crossed some bridges here. 373 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 3: They've crossed some hurdles because they've had to learn how 374 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 3: to win with not necessarily always having Josh Jacobs being 375 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 3: their main producer. They got to be more consistent with it. 376 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 3: But particularly in the second halfs here the last couple 377 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 3: of weeks, I just think Jordan Love is starting to 378 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 3: find his stroke again like he does in these second 379 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 3: halfs and this is gonna be an ultimate test for 380 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 3: that against Flores. 381 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: All right, well, let's dive right into the keys to 382 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: victory for Green Bay. I'm going to start with this 383 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: one because shifting the attention back to JJ McCarthy, one 384 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: thing the Packers defense has done really well all season, 385 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: whether they've you know, been stout against the run or 386 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: had some leaks against the run, whether they're taking the 387 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: ball away or not taking the ball away, this Packer's 388 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: defense has hung its hat on not giving up explosives, 389 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: and I think that becomes that's something that needs to 390 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: continue in this game because for all of the growing 391 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: pains and everything that JJ McCarthy is going through, but 392 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: also what happens when he sort of morphs into that nine, 393 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: that superman kind of guy. Big plays can do that 394 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: for a young quarterback, and the Packers can't allow those 395 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: explosive plays to happen that are going to fuel the 396 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: energy and the confidence and everything that JJ McCarthy could 397 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: have in what should be a very difficult road game 398 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: for him. So that's where I start. 399 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 3: There's levels to this, and I agree with you on 400 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 3: where you stand, and when we do our final thoughts 401 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 3: for you tomorrow, I'm gonna actually have to pair this 402 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 3: down to what I actually think the Packers win if yeah, 403 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 3: because there's a number of things here. One is in 404 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 3: the most obvious. This is I mean, anyone could walk 405 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 3: in the studio and say the same thing. They have 406 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 3: to protect the football and you have to take the 407 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 3: football away. That's the reason why the Vikings are four 408 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 3: and seven. They only have three picks. One of them 409 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 3: was a pick six though in eighty seven yard pick 410 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 3: sick by pick six by Rodgers. 411 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 2: But they've struggled to take the ball away. 412 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 3: They have thirteen interceptions this year if you count in 413 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 3: also what was happening with Carson Wentz before he went 414 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 3: down for the season. So Green Bay has to do 415 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 3: a better job with that. I love the banter you 416 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 3: and I have been going back and forth with the 417 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 3: Insider inbox this week because I think the run defense 418 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 3: right now is this very interesting sort of prism to 419 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 3: look through in where they're at, and I think this 420 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 3: Vikings rush offense is actually gonna test that because they've 421 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 3: not had a lot of explosives this year, but they 422 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 3: know how to drain yards, they know how to leak yards. 423 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 3: Jordan Mason does it really well. It's what allowed him 424 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 3: to emerge in San Francisco. I don't need to really 425 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 3: talk about Aaron Jones. Everybody knows whether he's twenty five 426 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 3: or thirty one, the type of threat that he is. 427 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 3: He's dealing with some injuries again, but when he's been 428 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 3: out there, he's been very good for them this season. 429 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 3: Green Bay's run defense against the Giants was really interesting 430 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 3: because they only allowed one big explosive play. If they 431 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 3: would have allowed more, it would have looked really bad 432 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 3: on the stat sheet, but because they did hold their ground, 433 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 3: it was manageable. They were able to win ultimately because 434 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 3: they didn't give up those explosives. 435 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 2: That being said, they. 436 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 3: Were not in a third and eight very often, they 437 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 3: were not in third in line, third and long very often. 438 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 3: The Giants were able to half those yards the way 439 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 3: they want to with their run game. They were able 440 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 3: to get into second and five, third and two, and 441 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 3: then that's when you saw some of the downfield opportunities 442 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 3: present themselves for Jameis Winston in the passing game. Green 443 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 3: Bay cannot allow that to happen against this particular opponent. 444 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 3: And the last thing I'll say, the Justin Jefferson effect. 445 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 3: We were talking with Keishawn Nixon about this in the 446 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 3: locker room on Wednesday. This guy is at the DeVante 447 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 3: Adams level. Now you can run the entire passing game 448 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 3: through him, and they're doing that. When JJ McCarthy needs 449 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 3: a target, when they need yards, it's going that direction. 450 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 3: Even though Addison is a big threat to Jefferson is 451 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 3: right on the cusp of being the best receiver in 452 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 3: this league and McCarthy knows it. Yeah. 453 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm gonna say one more thing in terms of 454 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: a key to victory here because I'm going to I'm 455 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: gonna put this one on the Packers fans at Lambeau Field. 456 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: The crowd on Sunday needs to bring it. This is 457 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: a Vikings team that has played two consecutive home games 458 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: and had fourteen false starts on offense eight two weeks ago, 459 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: six last week. Fourteen false starts in two games. If 460 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: this Packers Lambeau crowd can bring it on Sunday, you 461 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: can have an impact on this game. This offensive line, 462 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: you know, and all the growing pains with JJ McCarthy. 463 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: The fans can have an impact on this one, and 464 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see if indeed that can happen. 465 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 3: Thirty four sacks allowed too from that offensive line this season, 466 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 3: so a big opportunity there I love that one, though 467 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 3: you should you should have saved that for final thought. 468 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 3: Maybe what's that one? 469 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 2: Back up? 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The 489 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: Bears are seven and three, the Packers are six three 490 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 1: and one, the Lions are six and four. Aside from 491 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: Packers Vikings the other games on the docket, the Pittsburgh 492 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 1: Steelers are traveling to Chicago, and of course, all the 493 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: attention right now is on Ken Aaron Rodgers protect that 494 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: injured left wrist and be able to function well enough 495 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: to be able to play against the Bears, and we'll 496 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: just have to wait and see in that regard. But 497 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: this Steelers Bears game should be an interesting one. The 498 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: Lions are at home against the Giants. The Lions coming 499 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: off of a tough loss on Sunday Night Football in Philadelphia, 500 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: a low scoring affair the much like the game against 501 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: the Eagles at Lambeau the previous week. But the Bears 502 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: are the team sitting in first place in the NFC 503 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: North right now. The last time the Bears were in 504 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: first place this late in the season was in twenty eighteen, 505 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: which was the last time they won the division. It 506 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: was when Matt Nagy was winning coach of the year 507 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: when Mitch Trubisky was their starting quarterback and when their 508 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: season ended on the double doink in the playoffs. But 509 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: it is the Bears that are on top right now, 510 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:17,959 Speaker 1: and there will be a lot of attention on this 511 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Chicago game on Sunday. 512 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 3: It's a great opportunity for Pittsburgh to get a quality win. 513 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 3: You know, That's the one thing when I was diving 514 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 3: into it this week. And again, you respect every opponent. 515 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 3: You respect every team's ability to win against the opponents 516 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 3: that are against them. The Bears strength of schedule is 517 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 3: about as weak as it is in the NFL. There's 518 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 3: strength of victory, I believe is the weakest in the 519 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 3: NFL right now. So they've won the games that they've 520 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 3: supposed to and that's why they're seven and three. For Pittsburgh, 521 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 3: this is a critical game. I mean, the people are 522 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 3: gonna make They're gonna make this about Aaron Rodgers and 523 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 3: him and I own you and all that. I thought 524 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 3: Rogers did a tremendous job a diffusing that when he 525 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 3: talked to the media on Wednesday. But the bigger picture 526 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 3: is Pittsburgh is at the top right now. But they 527 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 3: got this Baltimore Ravens team that is just surged back 528 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 3: into the qu and the conversation. Oh In meanwhile, they're 529 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 3: right on the cusp also of the wildcard chase. So 530 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 3: this thing is wide open, as it seems right now 531 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 3: in the North in the NFC between Pittsburgh, it's a 532 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 3: two horse race as far as the division, but there's 533 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 3: a chance for both of those teams to be in 534 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 3: the wildcard conversation too. What Aaron Rodgers does, how this goes, 535 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 3: I don't know. 536 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 2: Certainly. 537 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 3: I would love from the narrative and the storytelling standpoint, 538 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 3: for Rogers to get another crack at play in the 539 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 3: Bears at Soldier Field. I think it just makes good theater, oh, 540 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 3: no doubt. But that's not an easy injury to deal with. 541 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 3: And I don't know what kind of modifications even if 542 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 3: he does play, you have to make to an offense 543 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 3: in addition to just what he has to do. 544 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, to get through that, yeah they're talking about, he 545 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: needs to both be able to protect it but also 546 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: be functional enough with whatever protection would be on the 547 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,719 Speaker 1: left wrist. So that will be an ongoing storyline all 548 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: the way up until kickoff on Sunday. I want to 549 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: get your thoughts. 550 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 3: No, go ahead, the Lions play whatever opponent the Packers 551 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 3: played right the previous week. Yeah, I said this in 552 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 3: last week's show, but it happened again. I didn'tven realize 553 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 3: that the Giants were next. 554 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: Time, So the Giants are the Giants are next. I 555 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: did look it up and it actually happened earlier in 556 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: the year where the Packers played the Bengals right after 557 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: the Lions had played. It was like in the reverse 558 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: because that that was when the Bengals made the quarterback 559 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: shift to Joe Flacco after the Lions just completely destroyed 560 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: them with with Jake Browning at quarterbacks. And then it's 561 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: been it's just been a weird. It's been a weird season. 562 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 3: And the Lions played the Browns after the Packers played. 563 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: Right, So this is the third time now the Browns, 564 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: the Eagles, and the Giants have all been on the 565 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: Lions schedule the very week after the Packers have played 566 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: those those teams. OK, No, that's all right. One AFC 567 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: game I want to get your thoughts on, and then 568 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: I want to shift back to the NFC. The Kansas 569 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: City Chiefs, they actually had a late lead against the 570 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. Let it get away. They lose to the Broncos, 571 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: their chances of keeping that AFC West Division winning street 572 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: going are very much in jeopardy. But now they've also 573 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,479 Speaker 1: reached the point where their season is kind of on 574 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: the line, and they've got to play the Indianapolis Colts, 575 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: who have one of the top records in the AFC. 576 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: The Colts are coming off their bye week, I believe, 577 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: an interesting game at Arrowhead Stadium because there's a lot 578 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: on the line here for a team that I mean, 579 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes has never not played in the AFC Championship game, 580 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: and right now we're talking about a Kansas City Chiefs 581 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: team that is kind of up against it in terms 582 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: of just staying in the playoff race at all. 583 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 3: This is why I've always said, you just have to 584 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 3: beat the teams that are in front of you. Man, 585 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 3: Like the Chiefs, they haven't lost a bad game. I mean, 586 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 3: even the Jacksonville Jaguars are a respectable team that going 587 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 3: down to the wire. But it doesn't get any easier. Man, 588 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 3: look at this. They got the Colts this week, then 589 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 3: they go to Dallas. I mean the Packers saw it. 590 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 3: I mean Dallas I mean they bring a little bit 591 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 3: too close to five hundred. They can beat anybody. You 592 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 3: have the Chargers still on the schedule, you have to 593 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 3: face the Broncos again to try to They just got 594 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 3: to get wins. Yeah, it is about the division and 595 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 3: everything like that. But I think there is this element 596 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 3: that if you can get Patrick Mahomes into the playoffs, 597 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 3: anything can happen. But they're struggling to get over that 598 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 3: Mendoza mark right now. And I don't know if there's 599 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 3: a more confident team in the National Football League right 600 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 3: now than the Indianapolis Colts, because the one thing the 601 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 3: Colts have done this season is they've proven time and 602 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 3: time age anybody can win a game for them, whether 603 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 3: it's Daniel Jones, whether they have to lean on Jonathan Taylor. 604 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,959 Speaker 3: I think they have a defense they can hang its 605 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 3: hat on. This season. Very tricky opponent for the Kansas 606 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 3: City Chiefs, and if you don't get it done at 607 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 3: home against the Colts, now you're reeling. Now you're almost 608 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,959 Speaker 3: in the run the table territory. 609 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that's where that's where Kansas City is potentially 610 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: hitting the danger zone. Couple last thoughts on the NFC 611 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: before we sign off Tampa Bay. The Buccaneers have lost 612 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: too straight now against good teams. They just most recently 613 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: lost a shootout in Buffalo. Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen 614 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: were going at it and the Buffalo Bill's got too 615 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: late touchdowns to be able to win a high scoring 616 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: affair there. But Tampa Bay now goes to La to 617 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: play the Rams. The Rams are coming off of a 618 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: big victory in the NFC West over the Seahawks. They 619 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: intercepted Sam Darnold four times. The Seahawks statistically dominated that 620 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: game with the exception of turnovers, and because of the turnovers, 621 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: the Rams were able to pull it out and get 622 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: a big win there. And the reason I mentioned this 623 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: one is because here's the really interesting thing, Wes. If 624 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: the Rams at home, hold Serve at home, and beat 625 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: the Buccaneers, then on Monday Night, Carolina is going to 626 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: San Francisco with a chance to take over first place 627 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: in the NFC South if the Buccaneers lose a game. 628 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: If the Buccaneers lose this week, the Carolina Panthers are 629 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: playing for first place on Monday Night football. So anyway, 630 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: just curious your thoughts on that. 631 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 3: Well, my first thought is, and I I love him 632 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 3: as a player. I still don't know what the heck 633 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 3: to make out of Bryce Young. There's one week where 634 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 3: it looks like he can't get over one hundred passing yards. 635 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 3: Last week it looked like he couldn't be stopped. 636 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: Ever, Yeah, what four hundred and forty something or whatever 637 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: that he. 638 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 3: Had NFC Offensive Player of the Week. I mean, and 639 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 3: he's got some talent. Great test for him against Robert 640 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 3: Sala's defense. Can't wait to see how that plays out. 641 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 3: I actually think independent of the divisional race with the 642 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 3: NFC South, I think there's a lot of wild card ramifications. 643 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 3: I think San Francisco Carolina. I don't know if both 644 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 3: of them are getting into the playoffs a month from now. 645 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 3: I think this is a game that when you go 646 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 3: back and look at how the season unfolds, it's probably 647 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 3: gonna have a lot to do with where things are. 648 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: Could end up being one of those head to head 649 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: tiebreaker things in the wild card picture as well. So yeah, 650 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: I'm with you there and Tampa. 651 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 3: This is a big challenge. I think the Rams right 652 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 3: now know who they are. They've weathered injuries. I got 653 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 3: a hilarious kick out of DeVante Adams line last week 654 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 3: where it was one catch on eight targets, but it 655 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 3: was a touchdown and I think it was this thousand. 656 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: One thousand career reception. Yeah. 657 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, So when DeVante hits a thousand, he hits it 658 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 3: with authority. But this is this is a big one 659 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 3: for Tampa and I don't know if they're going to 660 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 3: have the traditional home field advantage a lot of teams 661 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 3: have playing at so far, So. 662 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a long way for Buccaneers fans. 663 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: I mean usually at so far when you're talking the 664 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: West Coast teams, you know, San Francisco, Seattle, like, they'll 665 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: all make that trip down to LA and and cheer 666 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: on their team. But Tampa Bay, that's you know, was 667 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: that a five and a half hour flight or something 668 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: like that, you know there. And here's here's the other 669 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: thing I'll say too, because I know we're going to 670 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: talk about this more as the season goes along. Even 671 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: though the Rams are not on the Packers regular season schedule, 672 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: all the you know, focus is always on fantasy football 673 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: and offense. And with the Rams you got Matthew Stafford 674 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: and DeVante Adams and all that. The Rams defense man 675 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: like that is that is a unit that is a 676 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: unit that that takes no prisoners like that. The Rams 677 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: have had some shaky games on offense this year, but 678 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: their defense has always shown up. And Sean mcvay's got 679 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: something going on there with that defense and what they've 680 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: put together personnel wise and what they're doing scheme wise, 681 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: that's really been, in my opinion, that's been the story 682 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: of the Rams leading the NFC West. 683 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 3: I think the Rams the other thing that's been great 684 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 3: about them, And obviously Chris Shula is the coordinator there now, 685 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 3: but when you think in the Matt Lefflor's brother Mike 686 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 3: is the offensive coordinator. But when you think defensively what 687 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 3: they've done, they haven't had a lot of picks over 688 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 3: the years, right, Let's need traded a lot of future 689 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 3: equity to bring in players. 690 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 2: About two years ago they sort of. 691 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 3: Reset on all that and they've been hitting on those 692 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 3: picks when they've been getting some of these high rounders 693 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 3: I mean versus I think is probably one of the 694 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 3: up and comers in this entire league, and. 695 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: Heck of a heck of a young pass rusher. 696 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 3: So for as few shots as they have had at 697 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 3: the Apple has few mini bites that they've had the Apple, 698 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 3: they've found superstar type talent that they've built their defenses around. 699 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 3: I think you're kind of seeing that again. In addition 700 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 3: to the fact to your point about the Seattle game, 701 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 3: with someone like Matthew Stafford at this junction in his career, 702 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 3: thirty seven years young, he can control a game and 703 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 3: understand that, Okay, if my defense is going to help 704 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 3: us win this, if Darnald is making mistakes, we can 705 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 3: play that game too. I just I think Sean mcvay's 706 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 3: teams are so well coached, and they made a massive 707 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 3: reset about three years ago and ever since then, it's 708 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 3: like they've been on the second climb again and it 709 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 3: has him at the top of the NFC. 710 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been Uh, it's going to be interesting to 711 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: watch how it unfolds. But with that we will call 712 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: it a rap on this edition of Packers unscripted'd be 713 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: sure to follow all of our coverage of the team 714 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: and all of our coverage of Sunday's big home game 715 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: against the Vikings. We'll have it all for you on 716 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,240 Speaker 1: Packers dot com for Wes Iammike, thank you for tuning in. Everybody, 717 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: we will. Seahawks Times