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Speaker 1: Welcome to the OTP. Mike Keith and Amy Wells with

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Speaker 1: you with the Official Fighting Podcast. Hello, Hello, Amy, how

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Speaker 1: are you special guest? Good special gas to answer your

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Speaker 1: question up very well, because we have a special guest.

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Speaker 1: It's Jeff Lewald, very special, very special guest. It's like

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Speaker 1: a very special edition of the Walton's your Little House

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Speaker 1: on the Prairie. You're saying, Jeff like Wald, I guess

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Speaker 1: Jeff Legwald of ESPN is the best way to say

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Speaker 1: it now. But before, back in the day, when the

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Speaker 1: organization came to the to middle Tennessee, he was Jeff

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Speaker 1: Lewald of the Tennessee. And did you actually come to

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Speaker 1: cover the oilers? I did the two lame duck seasons,

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Speaker 1: okay from Nashville. Like I would go to Houston four

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Speaker 1: days a week. Wow? Really yeah, So I'd go to

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Speaker 1: Houston four days a week ninety five and ninety six.

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Speaker 1: I did both those seasons for the Tennessee. And and

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Speaker 1: I would go to Houston and then would go to

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Speaker 1: wherever they played for the weekend, go home one day

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Speaker 1: to do laundry, and go back. What was that experience? Like,

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Speaker 1: you're a Chicago guy, you know the NFL you've covered

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Speaker 1: the league before you get to Nashville, and now you're

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Speaker 1: seeing this very strange situation go on. What was that like?

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Speaker 1: And it pre dates a lot of you know, there

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Speaker 1: were no there was no history for that, you know,

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Speaker 1: there were no reference points. You know when teams moved before.

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Speaker 1: They just moved and then they played in the new city.

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Speaker 1: But at the time Bud Adams said I'm moving, Houston

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Speaker 1: said we're not letting you out of the lease. He said,

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Speaker 1: I'm still moving. So they end up playing these two

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Speaker 1: seasons in the Astrodome with no angry crowds. You know,

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Speaker 1: the few people did show up were mad. And the

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Speaker 1: players lived in Houston. They did everything in Houston, but

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Speaker 1: it was you know, they were building the stadium in

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Speaker 1: Nashville and it was full speed ahead. So it was

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Speaker 1: a really strange time and there was no precedent for it,

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Speaker 1: and it was hard. You know, you know, all of

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Speaker 1: us move at some point. We all know what it's

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Speaker 1: like to move over. Your jobs take you other places.

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Speaker 1: But football players aren't really used to what was going

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Speaker 1: on around them because their families were surrounded by people

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Speaker 1: constantly asking them what's going on with the team, what's

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Speaker 1: going on, so they their minds were never really on

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Speaker 1: the job. It was you know, the fact they were

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Speaker 1: eight and eight or you know whatever. They it was

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Speaker 1: a miracle. Actually, you know, people kept pointing to you know,

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Speaker 1: I tell people that all the time. People point to

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Speaker 1: Jeff's Fisher's eight and eight seasons and they're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's just stay Nate. Well, it was a miracle. They

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Speaker 1: h hard to coach in that situation, hard to play.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, everybody's well commensay, did I get it?

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Speaker 1: But it was it was hard for them to do

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Speaker 1: their business. And people in Nashville didn't know how to act.

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Speaker 1: Is that there are and we were college too and

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Speaker 1: very much a college town. And the stadium referendum was

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Speaker 1: still an uncertainty, so you know, there was the scenario

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Speaker 1: where voters voted down and now what happens. Well, So

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Speaker 1: as a writer, as a journalist, how do you cover that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, are you covering it from the angle like

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Speaker 1: are you covering it from this is a crazy story.

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Speaker 1: I just want to tell it both. You do a

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Speaker 1: little of both you try to tell people the personalities

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Speaker 1: the right about the people who were going to be

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Speaker 1: You know, you you stuck to those groupings and you

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Speaker 1: played it straight. You you know, when they talked about

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Speaker 1: the weirdness of the situation, you wrote about the weirdness.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, you had to do the ubiquitous

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Speaker 1: because it was there was a lot of swirl around

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Speaker 1: the funding of the stadium, what's the name of the

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Speaker 1: team going to be? And you know, originally Budd didn't

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Speaker 1: Commissier Tagliabu had to step in. It was a mess

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Speaker 1: because when I joined the team, he had gotten to

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Speaker 1: just it just kept going and going and going, and uh,

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Speaker 1: spectacular duck tapeing a banner in the new name Amy

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Speaker 1: Jeff Legwald had something else interesting going on in the

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Speaker 1: process though that I want to get him to talk

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, because you weren't just the guy

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Speaker 1: covering the football team. You were almost like their conduit

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Speaker 1: to what was going on in the mayor saying I

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Speaker 1: the mayor think about this? And I was like, shouldn't

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Speaker 1: you call him? I mean one of mine does, And

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Speaker 1: I'm just some dufus, you know, right about football, But

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Speaker 1: as a as a journalist. That has to be one

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Speaker 1: of your greatest experiences and one of the most influential

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Speaker 1: things that happened to you that whole Well, it's five

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Speaker 1: year period. It's unprecedented, right, it's unprecedented. Team plays two

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Speaker 1: lame duck years. They play a year in a stadium

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Speaker 1: in the state where they're moving, but that's still another

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Speaker 1: jilted town in Memphis. You know, Memphis hated the NFL

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Speaker 1: because they thought they should have had Jacksonville, right, you

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Speaker 1: know that was so you've got another They played in

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Speaker 1: two jilted cities back to back, and it just was

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Speaker 1: an odd, odd experience. And you know, people think the

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Speaker 1: Raiders are going through a lame duck year this past year,

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Speaker 1: that they don't know what a lame duck year is. Well,

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Speaker 1: I was, I was going to ask you, what advice

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Speaker 1: don't do it. That's my advice. Yeah, the Mayflower van

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. Look what it costs

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Speaker 1: players and coaches three years of their careers where they

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Speaker 1: could have succeeded in some way. Because again, to me,

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Speaker 1: the talent and the coaching to go eight and eight

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Speaker 1: a normal situation, and I think ninety nine shows what

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Speaker 1: they that group could do in a normal situation. But

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Speaker 1: so that would make a lot of sense. So once

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Speaker 1: sigh of relief for you as I lost a lot

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Speaker 1: it was I think once they finally I think the

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Speaker 1: I think when he finally had that tent gathering with

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Speaker 1: became a real thing for all involved, the people buying tickets,

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Speaker 1: the players, even the players said it was it was

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Speaker 1: friendly relationship with mister Adams, I don't know friendly sometimes

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Speaker 1: could be pretty salty. I'm aware of that. Yes I

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Speaker 1: do know that, but but I mean, you know, Mike,

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Speaker 1: May have called your marker, but no, he was. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the guy was an original. He was a unique one

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Speaker 1: and a billion I mean, you know, probably should be

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Speaker 1: And they don't put guys on the finance committee who

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Speaker 1: It's like the broadcast committee. They decide where things are going.

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Speaker 1: And he was on that committee for a long time.

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Speaker 1: But it was fun to be around him. Now, he

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Speaker 1: he was under tremendous amount of pressure I mean he

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Speaker 1: bad decisions. But the lame ducky years in the year

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Speaker 1: But Wellington's pretty you know, button down. Uh. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: just like, Okay, I asked it. I did ask him

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Speaker 1: say it was off the record, it's fair game. But

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Speaker 1: it's like one, I give him one chip? Do you

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Speaker 1: want to take that? You want to rethink that? One time?

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Speaker 1: I do it. Usually I did it to him. He's like, now,

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Speaker 1: did he ever call you because he wanted you to

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Speaker 1: report something? Uh? Never like that he would call you

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Speaker 1: to say you should. Uh. This is what I want

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Speaker 1: didn't like that. He didn't like people pointing him in

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Speaker 1: not do that. You know, people would try to advise

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Speaker 1: him all the time. Okay, when you get in front

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Speaker 1: player to find and more impactful. I think if you

429
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Speaker 1: had the core players, quarterbacks always going to lead the way,

430
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Speaker 1: but edge rusher, left tackle, that's that's still that's still

431
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Speaker 1: the royal guard. You know, as far as prospect, do

432
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Speaker 1: you buy into the theory that this is a great

433
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Speaker 1: defensive line draft. Yes, especially at edge rusher, there are

434
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Speaker 1: more sort of not just athlete rushers, there are more

435
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Speaker 1: sort of technicians, guys who understand what they're doing. You're

436
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: sort of seeing the you know, von Miller has had

437
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: the pass rush summit past couple of years for guys

438
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Speaker 1: in the league. But you can see the evolution. Players

439
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: are taking more time about handwork and footwork and beating

440
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: blocks instead of just running around the guy. You know,

441
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: I always wonder what say Javan Curse would have looked

442
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: like in the current environment because he had never rushed

443
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: the passer really when he got to the Titans, and

444
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: there were times in his career when he was the

445
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: best pass rusher in football. Brocco's questions the trade for

446
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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco, were you surprised? I knew he was looking,

447
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, at a group, and Flacco fits the offense

448
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: they want to run. I mean, people keep saying, why

449
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: is he so adamant about that offense? Well, because it

450
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: put three Super Bowl trophies in the case they met.

451
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning run that offense in a lot of ways.

452
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Speaker 1: So it's what It's what Elway believes in. It's what

453
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Speaker 1: he thinks will work. And Vic Fangio, the new coaches,

454
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 1: believes in it as well as a defensive guy. So

455
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Speaker 1: that's what they want to do now. And it also

456
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Speaker 1: tells me what he thinks of this quarterback class, because

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Speaker 1: I think if he believed there was a slam dunk

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Speaker 1: in that top ten, because they have the tenth pick,

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Speaker 1: and it tells me if he believes there was a

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Speaker 1: slam dunk in the top ten that he thought he

461
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: could get, they would have just ridden it out with

462
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: case Keenum in the second year of the contract and

463
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Speaker 1: just left it alone. But it tells me where they're

464
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Speaker 1: at on the quarterback class right now. What do you

465
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Speaker 1: think of Joe Flacco in terms of how he will

466
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: fit that offense? Specifically, he's got to be healthy. You know,

467
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: he's had a back and hip things, so that's those

468
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: are red flags sometimes. So when you know he's eleven

469
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: years in so you start hearing hip, you get a

470
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: little nervous. But there it's essentially they're only on the

471
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: hook for this year of the deal, so it's a

472
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: one year it's kind of a one year prove it

473
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: type thing. They're still they still don't have their long

474
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: term solution and they're going to have through at some point.

475
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Speaker 1: I mean, they're one of the few teams, maybe the

476
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Speaker 1: only team right now who does not have a drafted

477
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: player at quarterback in their building that they picked. What

478
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: did they do with case Keenum there? They'll shop him,

479
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: you know that. I would think Cliff Kingsbury and Arizona

480
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: might want him as a backup for Rosen and he

481
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: coached him at Houston. You know that there is that history.

482
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: So I think they'll shop him there, shop him Jacksonville.

483
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: They'll shop him and see if somebody will take the contrary.

484
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: The problem is that the contrary, you know, you trade

485
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: the contract too. Keendom's guaranteed seven million, whether he's on

486
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: a roster or not, you know, so that's part of

487
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: the deal. In terms of the offseason, what are some

488
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: other moves that you would like to see the Broncos mate, Well,

489
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: they have, they've got offensive line issues. They got they

490
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: gotta do something. You know, they've been even Peyton's last

491
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: two seasons, which would have been twenty fourteen twenty fifteen,

492
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: they were jumbling guys around, and you know Peyton covers

493
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: a lot of that up. You don't notice it as much. Well,

494
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: it's been very noticeable the last two years especially, they've

495
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: they've essentially ruined three young quarterbacks because they were under siege,

496
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: so you can't you know, quarterbacks are ultimately judged for

497
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: other people's mistakes a lot of the times, and Lebroncos

498
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: had three young or three quarterbacks Osweiler, Simeon and Paxton Lynch,

499
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: who were judged by a lot of other people's mistakes.

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00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: Why is Vic Fangio the right choice for John Elway

501
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: to run this football team? And that funny in the

502
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: year everybody was falling all over themselves to get the

503
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: young offensive whiz kids. I keep saying lebroncos one is

504
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: farther out of the box than everybody did. They heard

505
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: a sixty year old never been a head coach before

506
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: defensive quacha. So I don't I'm not sure anybody's a

507
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: bigger outlier in the coaching search than they are. But

508
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: I would say Vic spoke John's language. Vic talked about

509
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna get it right in the room. You know,

510
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna get it right on the practice field. And

511
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: they had, you know, they had let things get away.

512
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: You know, guys were a few minutes late here, a

513
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: few minute later. You know, it's not a big deal

514
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: in the big picture, but in Elway's world it means

515
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, you're talking about it. I think

516
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: it's the odd situation nobody else really has to face.

517
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: I mean, the Hall of Fame quarterback as chief football

518
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: guy is a different deal. Because if you're in the

519
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: locker room, what are you going to say the guys

520
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: upstairs don't get it. I think he gets it, you know,

521
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: he's sort of went ninety yards with no time on.

522
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: He was pretty yeah, yeah, you know. That's they can't

523
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: sit in the room and say, oh, those guys don't

524
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: get it. If they understood it was like here or

525
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: in the huddle, you know. So it's an odd dynamic.

526
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: Takes a strong personality to coach. That's why, you know,

527
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: I think John Fox had a hard time occasionally with

528
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Speaker 1: that dynamic. Gary Kubiak flourished because he had been John

529
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Speaker 1: Elway's roommate and during when they played, so Kubiak flourished,

530
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: and Gary's health issues really derailed their plan because their

531
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: plan was Gary Kubiak's going to coach the Broncos for

532
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: a long time and that that's what they hoped for.

533
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: So when he had to step away after twenty sixteen,

534
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: they were really their plan took a huge hit and

535
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: they weren't quite ready for that. So Vi Vic is

536
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: kind of a return to the way Gary coached. Gary's

537
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: very tough on players, even though he's very mild mannered.

538
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: Vic's the same Way, so they've heard a defensive Kubiak.

539
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: I guess it's the way it pushed him. The Titans

540
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: will play Denver this year, Yes, we are. We don't

541
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Speaker 1: know when, but we are coming to Denver. What come

542
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: on out, We'll be there. We'll be there. What type

543
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: of ball club do you think that? And we don't

544
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: know when in the season or what they'll look like.

545
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: But just overriding from Vic fangio perspective, John Way, what

546
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: he wants to do now having Joe Flacco, what kind

547
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: of ball club do you expect the twenty nineteen Denver

548
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: Broncos to be. I would expect von Miller to be unleashed.

549
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: And you look at it Vic and at Donnitel did

550
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: with Khalil Mack. I think you're gonna see that because

551
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: I think Vaughn's a better athlete. So I think you're

552
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: gonna see I think you'll see Super Bowl Von more

553
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: than we have because sometimes he's he's been hidden or

554
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: tucked away in their plan. You know, he's he's had

555
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: moments when he's even dropped into coverage, which I always

556
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,719
Speaker 1: asked the defensive coaches if I'm giving a choice of

557
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: Russian Von Miller and dropping him into coverage. I know

558
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: which one I'm picking, but I think I think they

559
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: will be very more intent on what they're doing with

560
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: von So. I think defensively got some issues in the secondary,

561
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: but I think offensively you're going to see a play

562
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: action offense that will take some some down the field occasionally,

563
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: but we'll we'll we'll try to run it and and

564
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: do the things that they've always done in that offense,

565
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: you know, dating all the way back to Shanahan. Well, Mike,

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Speaker 1: I don't want any part of von Miller. I'm not interested.

567
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: There's some have said when they hired Vic Faggio's head coach.

568
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: I mean, Von Miller had fourteen and a half sacks

569
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: last year and probably Chubb had twelve, but there are

570
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Speaker 1: people who think he could have twenty five. Again, not

571
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Speaker 1: interested in that. There are people Miller could have twenty

572
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: five sacks in this defense. He should have had probably

573
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Speaker 1: twenty last year. I think people undervalue the kind of

574
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Speaker 1: season he had because, uh, Chubb has been a revelation

575
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: or a great pick you know last year at five,

576
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of people as soon as

577
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: they were trying to bail out of that pick last year.

578
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: But when the Browns took the corner, they stayed. They

579
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: were like, we're taking Chubb because they thought the Browns

580
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Speaker 1: were going to take Chubb at four. Everybody did. They were.

581
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: They were shopping the five pick all over they were,

582
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: they were bailing out. He was gonna go all the

583
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: way down into the mid the middle of the round,

584
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: because he was like if I can't get Chubb after,

585
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, they were interested in Mayfield, Darnald, and Chubb.

586
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: So Mayfield goes one, Darnald goes three, and they think

587
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: Chubb's going four, so he's pulling the parachute. They're gonna

588
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: go down to fourteen, fifteen, whatever, and then they just stayed.

589
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: Chubb will be very good for a very long time.

590
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: Can I end it with the scenario question? Yes, there

591
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: are something I don't promise to give you an actual,

592
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: real good answer. Well, there are some people who think

593
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: that John Elway would like to have Drew Locke. I

594
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: don't buy that. You do not buy Why do you

595
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: not buy that John Elway would not take Drew lock

596
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: to bring him along. I'm not saying he wouldn't consider

597
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: taking him, but I don't think I think the fifty

598
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: six percent is a concern. Elway believes, even though his

599
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: own career track as well traveled. He was a strong armed,

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00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: big quarterback. And but that's back before sixty percent was

601
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: considered kind of the minimum, and a fifty six percent

602
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: passer in college probably translates to fifty or forty nine

603
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: ish in the pros. So that's an issue, and it's

604
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: an issue Josh Allen faced last year with the bills.

605
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's the same issue. And traditionally, I'm

606
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: not saying never, but traditionally guys have a hard time

607
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: fixing that. You're either accurate or you're not. You either

608
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: throw in frame or you don't, and it's hard to repair.

609
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: But a lot of his is from his footwork and

610
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: how he positions himself when he throws. So they've looked

611
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: at him heavily. I would say at this point, a

612
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: lot can change in the next month and a half.

613
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: But at this point, I think that's been overblown as

614
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: a national narrative. Right now, he still might take him,

615
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: But to say that right now, I think it would

616
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: be false. Just talking about quarterbacks for a second, per

617
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: your evaluation, who is the top quarterbacks? Okay, I didn't

618
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: even have to finish it. Wayne Haskins Ohio State. Not

619
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: close either, because really he is a typical He's a

620
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: pro quarterback, accurate, six three, stand in the pocket. Watch

621
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Speaker 1: him play, Watching that guy, watch him play. He's played

622
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: in big games, big moments. Would you take Kyler Murray?

623
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Speaker 1: You know the thing about Kyler Murray is that when

624
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: the minute you take him, you're the first guy to

625
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: ever do that. He's never been There's never been a

626
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: player like him taking a quarterback. Ever. Why would you

627
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,959
Speaker 1: say there's never been a player like Kyler Murray ever

628
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: taken a quarterback. Not, not at this point, not at

629
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Speaker 1: the top of the draft. There's not been. There's not

630
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: been a five nine quarterback taken in the opening two

631
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: rounds of the draft. I mean Drew Brees was six

632
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: feet and Drew Brees, but I mean Drew Drew's bigger.

633
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: I mean Jack Elway, John's father when he was alive,

634
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: always said Drew Brees is one of his favorite players

635
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: out of draft board. But Drew Brees was a people forget.

636
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: He's a very refined passer at Purdue. There's plenty of

637
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: game film to break down what he was doing at

638
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: that point. But you're talking about a guy who may

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Speaker 1: measure in at five nine and change. Now I've been

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Speaker 1: told he might tip the scales here at two o four,

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Speaker 1: but he's going to be a classic. I'm over two

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Speaker 1: hundred for the combine and I'm one eighty eight for

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Speaker 1: my pro day guy. So but electric with the ball.

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Speaker 1: You know, live arm, he's got all the goodies. You

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Speaker 1: just don't the minute the GM takes him. You're the

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Speaker 1: first to ever do it. And that's you know that

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Speaker 1: it's a pretty risk adverse crowd picking players because you

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Speaker 1: know they're betting their mortgage essentially on it, and it's

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Speaker 1: hard to be the first do anything. But he's there's

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Speaker 1: no question in the athleticism and throwing the ball. So

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Speaker 1: it's just a matter of you building the team, whatever

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Speaker 1: team takes him, building an offense around him so he

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Speaker 1: can function. Jeff lech Walt, thank you for the time,

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Speaker 1: always for you, though I would never say that publicly,

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Speaker 1: even though I just did. Well, yeah, it just did,

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Speaker 1: just between friends. You know. I got fooled by the

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Speaker 1: closeness we have at the table. Jeff Lechwalds from ESP

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Speaker 1: and our guest of the OTP for Aby Wells at

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Speaker 1: Mike Keith, thanks for joining us once again of the

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Speaker 1: OTP