1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Andie and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: I've never told your protection of I heart radio and 3 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: Happy New Year's Yes, if you're listening to this when 4 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: it comes out, you could be listening to it whenever. 5 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: But as it as its debuts it is New Year's Day. 6 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: We're running some classics because we're hoping to take some 7 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: some time off, I know, but we'll be back. We've 8 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: already got a lot of stuff planned that we're excited about. 9 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: And recently we did something that we were both very 10 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: excited about, and that was we got to talk to 11 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: you Jen Blair about women in the brewing industry and 12 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: all of the issues they're in. But as part of that, 13 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: we mentioned an episode that we did a while back 14 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 1: about kind of these gendered stereotypes around alcohol choices and 15 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: specifically men liking beer, women liking wine, or men kind 16 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: of liking darker, stronger or what are perceived or stronger 17 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: drinks and women liking, you know, lighter things are wine 18 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: are quote girly drinks, fruity girly drinks, which I think 19 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: that that exists at all says quite a bit exactly 20 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: big exactly, So on this New Year's Day or whenever 21 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: you happen to be listening to it. We hope that 22 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: you are well, whatever the case, and we hope that 23 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: you enjoyed this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and 24 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: this is Samantha, and welcome to Stuff. I never told 25 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: to your prediction of I Heart Radios how stuff works. 26 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: In our last episode, UM, we talked about the gendering 27 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: of food most mostly men and meat in order that whole, 28 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: not that specifically many. UM. I have heard that in 29 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: advertising language, so I thought of that later. UM. And 30 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: today we're talking about the gendering of alcohols UM. So 31 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: before we start, UM, drink responsibly. If alcohol is a 32 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: trigger for you, it would probably be a good idea 33 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: to not listen to this one. UM. And we're going 34 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: to briefly, very briefly. UM just mentioned things like a 35 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: sexual assault and violence, domestic violence. So UM if that 36 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: is a trick for you as well, UM, just letting 37 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: you know, right stop right it stop right a start, 38 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: that's where we are or that stops. Today has been 39 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: a really goofy day. I am not sure what's going on. 40 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: And we have not at any alcohol up over here. 41 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: It's water, okay, okay, okay, trying to stay hydrated. Yes, okay, 42 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: So I think a popular way of thinking about it 43 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 1: when we're talking about the gendering alcohol is beers for men, 44 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: wine is for women, or I usually hear like darker things, 45 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: darker alcohols men, lighter alcohols women. Um, you know, it'll 46 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: put hair on your chest. That's what they say. They 47 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: say that about everything. Spicy foods puts hair on your chest. 48 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: Did they say that about spicy fan? I feel like 49 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: I've heard that. I like how you immediately backchecked. I'm 50 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: gonna say, yes, okay, Um, so doing something that burns, 51 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: I guess yes, I think that burns, which is thought too. 52 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: It's believed that darker alcohols have more of a burn, 53 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: and sometimes they do, but not always, not always. Um. 54 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: And we have done past episodes looking at history of beer, 55 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: um and whiskey when it comes to this whole thing specifically, 56 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: if you want to check those out. And I know 57 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: that I've talked about on this show that the fairly 58 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: common gross response that I get from men when I 59 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: order whiskey, UM, that that it implies I'm as slutty? 60 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: Are I'm ready have sex with sex with you? I 61 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: don't know like whiskey. Yeah, oh yeah, about whiskey. Oh yeah. Um. 62 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: I think that we're going to talk about that a 63 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: little bit later. But the ads for whiskey are very 64 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: that's for all alcohols, very sexual. Obviously, Yes, I think 65 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: when it comes to whisky, I was think of more 66 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: like grungier type of things. So for even women like 67 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of people who, for some reason I have 68 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: been in my head a woman who may have just 69 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: had been one of the boys, essentially kimmen and having 70 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: a whiskey tek with them, obviously being one of the guys, 71 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: not so much to be slutty. Well, it's interesting you 72 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: say that because that is a very commonly held belief. 73 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: I've found so many articles. I did not realize how 74 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: much your drink choice apparently says about you according to 75 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: the Internet. I mean, that's like a BuzzFeed quiz in itself, 76 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: what does about you? Um. There's an infamous article that 77 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,679 Speaker 1: I'm going to quote a little bit later that breaks 78 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: down the difference between women who drink vodka and women 79 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: who drink whiskey. And one of the things is if 80 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: she drinks whiskey, she can hang with the guys. Um. 81 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: And it's written in a way that I can tell 82 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: the author thinks he's being complimentary of both women, but 83 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: it's like clearly not exactly in my opinion. Um, and 84 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: we've all seen the joke in our media of a 85 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: girly or weak drink, and like, um, the fact that 86 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: girly drink even exists as a term, right, that says 87 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: a lot right there. Um And when dude orders of 88 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: fruity drink or a girly drink, I always think of scrubs. 89 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: Um when j d orders an apple teenie, please easy 90 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: on the tea, right, and I think of, um the 91 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: New Girls episode where Winston because he gets the girly 92 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: fruity mixes that Nick makes mainly for girls, and he goes, 93 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: was like, that makes a naughty look at me being naughty. 94 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: It's so interesting to be that this exists. I mean, oh, 95 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: I will say, my family, this is reverse. This is 96 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: like completely reversed. The men in my family do not 97 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: drink barely any and when they do, they drink quote 98 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: girly drink sweeter things. That's my friend group too. Most 99 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: of my friends are the opposite the girls like the 100 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: whiskey and the dark beers and the guys like things 101 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: vodka ish. I love gent too, but stuff like that, 102 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: Alana lines, Yeah, yeah, And I think in my case, 103 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: like my mom's side of the family, they're they're drinkers, um, 104 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: and so it's not really I haven't encountered too much 105 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: of this until I like went out started going out 106 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: on my own, and then people are like, what are 107 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: you doing ordering that? We You can't handle that, little lady. 108 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: You would never called you a little later, somebody you 109 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: want to punch me? Why do people keep thinking that 110 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: they can call you random things like that? Oh my gosh, Um, 111 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 1: I give this all the time. And then I recently 112 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: was buying a bottle of rose and a dude near 113 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: me um called me princess said to his dude friend, Lily, 114 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: she's buying it because she's pretty, like he was talking 115 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: about me in third person. He addressed me and then 116 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: did this in third person, like, well, clearly he doesn't 117 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: view me as a human being, right, Okay, So like 118 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: that is such a weird concept. I will say I 119 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: don't love rose myself, just because I don't like the 120 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: taste per se, but it definitely was my beginner drink. 121 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: That's that's really interesting. Because Rose to me, I didn't 122 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: even try it until a couple of years ago when 123 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: it took off. Now it's big, like Rose has kind 124 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: of gotten his niche. But yeah, that was my beginner drink. Wow. Really, 125 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: you know, we just did an episode on Rose over 126 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: on my other show Save And one of the big 127 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: reasons side note people think it took off is because 128 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: it is millennial pink, and that color took off and 129 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: people just like taking pictures with the color. Oh is 130 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: it an instagram worthy? It's apparently it is very instagram able. Interesting. 131 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: I just remember thinking I didn't like chardonnay because that's 132 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: too abrupt and dry from me, so that's not something 133 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: I would ever drink. I don't like Chardonnay's. But then 134 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: to start off going deep red was too much. So 135 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: someone just handed me a light pink drink. I was like, oh, look, 136 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: it's in the middle. Yes, but that's my thought. Okay, Well, 137 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: you're learning a lot about our drinking preferences. So if 138 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: you want to send me something don't do Rose. I'll 139 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: take it. I'll take it. So let's start with some 140 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: brief history here the alcohol industry and women for a 141 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: long time until our like more recent history, have not 142 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: gotten along and I mean you can argue even now, 143 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: don't um. The industry funneled a lot of money to 144 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: Paul petiticians who promised to prevent women's suffrage, probably because 145 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: women have been big proponents of the temperance movement and prohibition. 146 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: Throughout history, women drinking in public has been frowned upon 147 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: and judged as lewd or crass, too manly. And this 148 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: is again sort of more recent history, because in ancient 149 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: times it wasn't necessarily that right, but like you know, 150 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: it got a flip and became unladylike do such things 151 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: it did. Who knows what you'll say a curse word 152 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: in public? What me? Never? No? Never? Uh. And now 153 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: that women are allowed to drink in public relatively free 154 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: from scorn, or at least compared to this, because we're 155 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: gonna get into that more later, you're not necessarily free 156 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: from scoring, the industry has changed its tune, especially since 157 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: the rate of women drinking has consistently been going up 158 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: as compared to men were to sort of plateau to 159 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: stayed the same. In the fifteen percent of whiskey drinkers 160 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: were women. Nowadays that's closer to thirty seven percent gendered 161 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: mark and products around alcohol is all kinds of messed up. Um. 162 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: There are tampon flasks, uh, the wine rack, which is 163 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: a brawl that you can fill with mine. Right. I 164 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: feel like a lot of this is basically though, because 165 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: people think that men are afraid of things like tampons, 166 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: but this one thing you won't check. It's true. That's 167 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: what it said when I was reading, like because at 168 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: first I thought, is this like something you? So I 169 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: wanted to read the product description and uh uh no, Yeah, 170 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: it's because people are afraid of checking tampons, which hilarious, yes, 171 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: hilarious and sad. The alcohol industry is pretty notorious for 172 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: gendered marketing. Experts have compared it to how we gender 173 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: toys when it comes to alcohol. Most of these follow 174 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: the traditional stereotypes that men are aggressive, isn't tough, and 175 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: women need to be concerned about their weight and their 176 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: beauty right, Um, and this has negative side effects on 177 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 1: so many levels. But in terms of weight and drinking, 178 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: this pressure can lead to unhealthy behaviors like drunk rexia. 179 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: We've talked about that before, um and bene drinking right, 180 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: and with the drunk rexia and whole gender idea, because 181 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: that's what you were talking about, the tampon thing. It's 182 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: true people did soak um alcohol on the tampon and 183 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: get extreme drunk without all the calories. That was part 184 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: of that. So yeah, you're right, there's a lot of 185 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: weird concepts, dangerous and unhealthy. Interestingly, a lot of brands 186 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: have leaned harder into masculine marketing even though more women 187 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: are drinking, and this is because again, masculine equals better 188 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: in our society. Women can quote drink with the men um, 189 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: but men do not want to be caught drinking what 190 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: women drink. And this is all generalizations because I definitely 191 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: have some male friends in my life that do not 192 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: care right order whatever they want and I love it. 193 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: Get that girly drink. There's no such thing. There is 194 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: no such thing. There's drinks that you like that tastes 195 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: differently two different people exactly from a n studies so 196 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: a little dated, but I thought interesting called Gender Expectations 197 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: for alcohol use a study of the significance of the 198 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: masculine role. Sex differences and drinking behavior appear related to 199 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: two variables. One sex differences in the purpose and meaning 200 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: of drinking, and two differences in attitudes regarding the acceptability 201 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: of drinking and drunkenness among women and men. Regarding the 202 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: first variable, data on sex differences in where, when, and 203 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: how drinking occurs suggests that it has a different meaning 204 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: for the sexes. Women tend to drink wine, tend to 205 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: drink slowly, drink with family members or at parties, drink 206 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: on special occasions, drink on Saturdays, and drink to celebrate 207 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: events and dates. This style of drinking suggests that drinking 208 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: is a social ritual for women, serving to allow women 209 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: to celebrate and solidify their bonds with others and to 210 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: reinforce and maintain their social bonds. Men, on the other hand, 211 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: tend to drink with same sex friends or acquaintances, drinking bars, 212 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: in the company of strangers, drink irrespective of special occasions, 213 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 1: drink beer, and drink fast. In addition, men to drink 214 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: for the effect of drinking to get high or drunk, 215 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: and they're drinking is more likely than women's to be 216 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: associated with antisocial consequences. This style of drinking is also 217 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: seen as a social ritual, serving, in this case to 218 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: allow males to denigrate, deny our weakened bonds with others, 219 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: and to violate rules and rules occupied by others. Thus, 220 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 1: men's usual style drinking has been called quote individual egotistic. 221 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: This literature indicates that drinking for women seems symbolic of 222 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 1: attachments to others and appears to serve expressive communal purposes. 223 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: In contrast, drinking for men seems symbolic of detachment from 224 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: others and appears to serve instrumental agency purposes. Sex differences 225 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: and drinking behavior, then are partially a product of gendered 226 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: stereotyped differences in the meaning or purpose of drinking, and 227 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: that has been like, that's an older study, but that 228 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: has been born out in many more recent studies. UM 229 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: and I found. I did find several articles looking into 230 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: this whole thing in different countries, like in Nigeria or Estonia, 231 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: and in general, they seem to find that men saw 232 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: drinking and quote being able to hold your liquor as 233 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: a manly thing, and women seem to find drinking in 234 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: public not necessarily good for your reputation. There are also 235 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: country specific and race specific stereotypes when it comes to 236 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: drinking and tolerance. And I'm sure we've all heard some 237 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: of those um from the World Health Organization. Quote. First, 238 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: compared with women throughout the world, men are more likely 239 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: to drink, consume more alcohol, and cause more problems by 240 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: doing so. This gender gap is one of the few 241 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: universal gender differences in human social behavior. Right. I actually 242 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: was looking at the National Institute of Alcohol Abuse and 243 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: Alcoholism and I actually break it down ethnicity, including from 244 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: the Latina culture to African American to Asian Americans and 245 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: going down to the differences and even the health effects 246 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: you and I were talking about earlier, the Asian flush 247 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: as I have called it, and it talks about the 248 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: twenty of Asians who suffer because of that specific type 249 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: of gene that causes you to flush and not be 250 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: able to process the alcohol, which apparently has different causes 251 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: like whether you drink too fast, drink too slow, to 252 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: drinking all these different things. Um. But it is interesting 253 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: to see the cultural practices in each one is pretty 254 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: similar as what was saying about what's normal and what's 255 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: accepted and was not accepted, what's religious, what's not religious, 256 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: and it goes on different levels. Pretty fascinating to read 257 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: through all of that. Yeah, there is a lot of 258 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: data out there, A lot. I was kind of taken 259 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: aback and surprised by how much, which is a wonderful thing. 260 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: Or we can always use more, especially you know that's 261 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: more inclusive. But going back to that who report, well, 262 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: I guess w H O I always say who to 263 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: w H report goes into possible reasons why there is 264 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: this universal difference in drinking behavior, and the first reason 265 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: they listed is power. Drinking alcohol has historically been a 266 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: signifier of male power relative to women, and lack of 267 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: power a privilege often denied to women, particularly in public. 268 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: I do remember reading about um in the fifties American 269 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: housewives who would be in the kitchen they would sneak 270 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: shots of whatever while they were cooking or praying because 271 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: it wasn't lady to like to drink in public or 272 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: you know, in your own household in front of men um. 273 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: When it comes to health and metabolism, women typically are 274 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: believed to be more vulnerable to alcohol. They get drunk 275 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: er faster when consuming the same amount as a similarly 276 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: sized man. Women develop alcohol induced liver disease more quickly 277 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: than men, and possibly the same is true for alcohol 278 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: induced brain damage. Another interesting thing I found is that 279 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: alcohol interacts with your hormone levels, meaning that fluctuations and 280 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: your hormones might lead to a higher or lower relative 281 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: rate of intoxication. So the week before a woman starts 282 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: her period, she'll get more intoxicated and stay that way 283 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: for longer. Same thing with oral contracept of this. That 284 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: same report found that men who believed that alcohol would 285 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: lead to pleasurable outcomes drink more heavily, while women heavy 286 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: drinkers often did it to reduce stress. A handful of 287 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: studies have shown a strong relationship between drinking behavior and 288 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: women and sexual victimization or violence. Men are twice as 289 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: likely to develop alcoholism. Researchers think this might be because 290 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: given the same amount of alcohol, men experience more of 291 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: a dopamine release as compared to women. According to numbers 292 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,239 Speaker 1: reported on by time, of beer drinkers are men, all 293 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: of wine drinkers are women. I believe this was from 294 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: so it was fairly recent. Um, and I when I 295 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: was thinking about this, I was wondering if it's it 296 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: goes back to the health thing that we kind of 297 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: talked about in our men like meet women like salad episode. Um, 298 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: because there was that study. Uh, and I'm not saying 299 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: it's true. I don't remember, but there was that study 300 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: that I like a glass of red wine. Yeah, uh, 301 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: it's antioxidants in it, um or are probably I have 302 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: friends who don't like drinking beer because they get bloated. 303 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: I don't like how they look when they drink it. 304 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: Um So, I'm not sure, but this brings us to 305 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: the relationship between men and beer in our culture, because 306 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: beer is the quintessential dudes drink according to our media 307 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: and general pop culture narrative. I do think that that 308 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: is changing. Um. Art could be that I just run 309 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: into a circle of beer drinkers. I'm not sure, but 310 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: I do hear a lot of women don't like beer. 311 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: It makes them bloated, or it's too bitter, it's too carbi. 312 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: I hear a lot of that stuff. I don't necessarily 313 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: see a lot of it. Um But the cool girl 314 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: she rears her head again from the article I referenced earlier. 315 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: It's a Thought Catalog article called seven reasons you need 316 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: to date a woman who likes beer. Oh never mind, 317 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: this is a different artle, but they're in the same 318 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: vein um quote. A true girl who is one of 319 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: the guys, Well, She's not afraid to look like a fool. 320 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: She laughs a lot, often at herself. She makes reckless decisions, 321 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: but owns up to the consequences. She purps, she shouts, 322 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: She tells you to off when you deserve it. She 323 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: likes sports. She likes video games and comic books. She's 324 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: a flip cup beer pong champion. She's not afraid to 325 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: have an imagination. She's not afraid to dream big and 326 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: fail often. She doesn't care what you think of her. Wait, 327 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: was this written by a woman? Round? Man? Yeah? Go golf? 328 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: How about that? Seriously? Yeah? And I'm not even drinking 329 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: a down beer? How about that yet? Really? Yes, that's 330 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: like the whole your everything. You're beautiful and you don't 331 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: even know it will come on. I like, she doesn't 332 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: care what you think of her, because but yet she's 333 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: doing this for you obviously, well in the vein of 334 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: this then yeah, oh my goodness, another reason. According to 335 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: this article quote, I'll just leave this little tidbit right 336 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: here for everyone. According to the dating website okay Cupid, 337 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: the single most accurate indication of whether or not a 338 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: woman will have sex with a man on a first 339 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: date is directly correlated to how they answer this question 340 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: do you like the taste of beer? In fact, just 341 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: under seventy of women who answer that question yes are 342 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: ready to throw down in the bedroom. Okay, how did 343 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: they even get that statistic? I don't know where did 344 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: they find the statistic. They do a lot of data collection. 345 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: I get the like, come on, well, I agree, And 346 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: that's why I included that quote because it blew my mind. 347 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: And then this is the one I referenced earlier from 348 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: Elite Daily. Vodka drinkers are girly girls, whiskey drinkers before 349 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: the company of Mint. I mean that basically, most drinks 350 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: we like is one citrus, one part citrus, like sweetener 351 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: right even low right now, like beer even is a 352 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: sour phenomenon happening, not happening, has happened, and it has 353 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: been big in the last few years. That's very much 354 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: fruity beers essentially. What yeah, um there is Ron Swanson 355 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,719 Speaker 1: comes up again. This is so funny because he came 356 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: up in our previous episode. But he has a quote 357 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: clear liquors for which women on diets. Uh, And I 358 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,959 Speaker 1: will say, like Ron Swanson is the epitome of he 359 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,479 Speaker 1: is like the manly right, so that I think that 360 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: that's why he keeps yeah, um, shot of whiskey and 361 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: a shot of vodka. Just if why I have the 362 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: same calorie count? Um, I would assume this has more 363 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: to do with the fact that vodka is usually a 364 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: mixer for girly sweet drinks. But again it shoot. Sometimes 365 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: I like whiskey and coke. That's a common yeah drink. 366 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,239 Speaker 1: I don't understand. I always remember, um that scene from 367 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: The Departed when Leonardo DiCaprio's character orders the vodka cranberry 368 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: and the bartender was like, what are you on your period? Um, 369 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: which is both the vodka and cranberry stereotype coming together. 370 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: Terminology we use like strong versus weak drinks, implying that 371 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: drinks with more alcohol are for the strong. And yes, 372 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 1: I get the idea of it being stronger in the 373 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: sense of there's more alcohol in it, but there's still 374 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: that implication that by drinking it, you yourself are stronger. 375 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: You can hold your alcohol, you can handle the burn, right, 376 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: Holding your alcohol is a sign of strength, which is 377 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: super weird too. It is because essentially, I mean, I 378 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: feel like the sign of strength is to recognize your 379 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: body is saying, you know what, no more, I gotta 380 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: stop out. I'm good, Let's drink some water now. UM. 381 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: One study out of the University of South Florida found 382 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: that for some men, drinking beer is a public display 383 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: of masculinity and heterosexuality. Of course, many people who drink 384 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: beer also like the taste, but that I found that 385 00:22:54,800 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: very interesting finding. UM. I've also heard tales from my 386 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: male friends about being judged for not liking beer or 387 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: otherwise preferring girly drinks, kind of like you're ordering a 388 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: girly drink. I do. I work out a brewery and 389 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: I do have oftentimes the boyfriend coming to tell me 390 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: how their girlfriend does not like beer and just like, 391 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: can you can you recommend something? My girlfriend doesn't like beer? 392 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, that's fine. But then I have 393 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: just as many they're like, I don't like anything but 394 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: sweet drinks, essentially, is what they tell me, And I 395 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: kind of just look at them like, well, let me 396 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: help you out. But I feel like it's a pretty 397 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: even number. Yeah, or maybe just one's more willing to 398 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: admit if they don't like it, as others will drink 399 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: just to drink. Yeah, yeah, and I I went on, 400 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: I read this whole detive looking into and I didn't 401 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: include a lot of it here. Um, but why is 402 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: it true that women just don't like beer as much? 403 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: Like is there some kind of genetic taste thing going on? 404 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: Like they taste bitter more? But the article I couldn't 405 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,959 Speaker 1: really prove anything except that beer used to be a 406 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: lot worse, like it was just bad beer, and so 407 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,959 Speaker 1: some people um grew up with kind of just not 408 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: great tasting beer. Um. And that was where that that 409 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: article ended that perhaps a lot of women just haven't 410 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: tried anything beyond right. I think that's a lot of people. 411 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: They don't understand the craft of beer essentially anymore. And 412 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: because you had the one light beer or these two 413 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: things that are not the best, which I've always liked 414 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: the taste of beer, But as you've become more and 415 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: more familiar with the culture behind it, you are discovering 416 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: new ways of having beer essentially, and it makes a 417 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: big difference. But a lot of people don't understand what 418 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: it is or the phenomenon behind it. Yeah, And and 419 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: to clarify that that article I was talking about was 420 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: very much in the U S. The U S didn't 421 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: have much of a crappier scene until semi recently. Right, um, 422 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: But also like, if you don't like beer, that's all good. Yeah, 423 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: you don't like beer, you don't like exactly exactly. And 424 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: my family was kind of like, you're gonna like beer? 425 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: It was wait what? Well? I just remember thinking, and 426 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: I had this about a lot of foods, actually foods. Right, 427 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: if I didn't like something but I wanted to like it, 428 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: I would keep trying until I found something that I like. 429 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: And a lot of my favorite foods now I did 430 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: not like until I just kept eating them, eating them, 431 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: and now I like them. So that's what they did 432 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,479 Speaker 1: for you with beer. That's why I did to myself 433 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 1: with that thought. You said your family, well, because everybody 434 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: in my mom's side family is a very big social thing. Okay, yeah, 435 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: I was gonna say it was like my mom trying 436 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: to make me like mayo. I still don't like it, 437 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: but she would try to sneak it in my food. Oh, 438 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: I feel like you have to want it. And even then, 439 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: again this is very specific to me. I've never if 440 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: someone tells me they don't like something, I believe you might. 441 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: I accepted, yes, in general, then, drinking in public has 442 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: long been more socially accepted, even at work until learn 443 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: more recent times with things like this Martini lunch, which 444 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: if you don't know about, there was all this like 445 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: politics involved around it in seventies. You should look it up. 446 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: Is fascinating. UM or mad men esque style drinking when 447 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: it comes to the darker drinks for men, thing darker 448 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: drinks UM rightfully or not come with a perception of 449 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: being harder or stronger both, and this did used to 450 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: be the case until the nineteenth century. Generally, darker liquors 451 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: were bottled at a higher proof, and this had to 452 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: do with aging, the aging process adding flavor, whereas all 453 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: for a lot of clear liquors, if you age it, 454 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: it won't necessarily add flavor. But that whole darker liquor 455 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: being stronger is not always the case these days. UM. 456 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: Some studies looking into increased violence when drinking as partly 457 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: an observed behavior believed to be acceptable in this context 458 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: among men. If you, if you witness it seems like 459 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: if you're drinking, I can behave in a certain way. UM, 460 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: which is that has a lot of consequences for UM, 461 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: so many, so many social issues. Okay, so that's kind 462 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: of the the beer slash masculine side of this, which 463 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: brings us to the feminine side of it. Um. But 464 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: first it brings us to a quick break for word 465 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: from our sponsor. And we're back, Thank you spons there um, 466 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: and we're back with the question is women women like wine? Yes, 467 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: and usually white wine. I find is the stereotypes specifically 468 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: white wine again going back to the like lighter thing 469 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: versus thing. Um, And I kept every article I was 470 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: reading about this mentioned mommy juice. Really, yeah, I see 471 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 1: all the things because you know, you see those cute 472 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: little um retro photos with some kind of snarky writing, 473 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, talking about in the nineteen fifties house moms 474 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: or something, definitely talking about Martini's. Yeah, I remember I 475 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 1: dressed up as quote unquote uh fifties housewife and I 476 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: had a Martini glass as one of my props. Oh, 477 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: I feel like martinis were just huge. I guess so 478 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 1: because it's also same thing with men in the James Bond. Yeah, 479 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: there there was a diet that I find funny now. 480 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure it wasn't funny then, but there's a diet 481 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: called like the the steak Diet, The Man Steak Diet. 482 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 1: It was a diet forum in and it was you 483 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: have to eat at least one steak a day and 484 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: drink at least one martini. What are you talking about 485 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: this in the other episode? Okay, that's weird. It's a 486 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: it's a real thing, and I feel like it was 487 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: just dudes being I want to eat misteak and jake 488 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: my martini and not have anybody give me any cuff 489 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: about it, right right, Yeah, But that's what I guess 490 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: my head is, like, I always see get mommy a martini. 491 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: That's how I've seen it. I definitely see the white 492 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: wine too. This Chardonnay has always been the mama drank 493 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: as well, it seemed. Yeah, I feel like it's just 494 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: become a kind of a meme almost, like like that 495 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: you're your mom and you can you can drink too. Um. 496 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: We did an episode a while back on women drinking 497 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: more wine in general to deal with the patriarchy and 498 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: because because women are drinking more and going back to 499 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: that reason why women drink that we mentioned earlier is 500 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: usually either social or to deal with just um, and 501 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: sometimes that that can I'm sure overlap. Yeah, that's the 502 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: happy hours, happy area. UM. But looking at something like 503 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: Mommy juice, that name does suggest, um, see, we have 504 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: more than just mom. We have other dimensions. And we 505 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: often see or hear women saying stuff like this, like 506 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: I've earned this, I needed this. It might be your 507 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: friends advice when you're going through something, Um, get get 508 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: some wine or get beer, whatever it is. Newly sober 509 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: writer Christie coult Or over at Vox wrote quote, maybe 510 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: all that wine is an Instagram filter for our own lives, 511 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: so we don't see how sallow and cracked they've become. 512 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: It's quite the read. And women do have a different 513 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: set of fears when it comes to drinking. I mean 514 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: one of the obvious ones being someone's going to put 515 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: something in your drink. Fear of sexual assaults is frequently 516 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: a factor, even subconsciously, for how much a woman drinks 517 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: in public. There have been surveys looking at like why, 518 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: trying to get to the bottom of why women drink 519 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: less in general than men. UM, and that was that 520 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: was a big reason. UM. A lot of women linked 521 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: public drunkenness who spoiled sexual reputation are are being judged 522 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: more harshly. And I have, so I've seen this. If 523 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: a dude is super intoxicated, it's like, oh, Jim is wasted. 524 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: It's so funny. But if a woman is super intoxicated, 525 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: it's like, look how pathetic and sad she is. She's 526 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: so sloppy, like poor pouring. Um. Last year, when I 527 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: was at Dragon Con, I dropped a beer bottle and 528 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: it shattered. And I wasn't drunk or tipsy, but I 529 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: have my Captain America shield and my Winter Soldier arm 530 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: and all these superhero gears, and that conduced him holding 531 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: a drink. It turns out I was trying to text 532 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: somebody too much was happening. Um. I have seen people 533 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: with coozies and they Captain Rich. I was going to say, 534 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: don't you have like a cup holder in your Captain? 535 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: And I feel like I'd forget and I'd like put it. 536 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: I would lean let it drop and it would fall 537 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: out anyway. I'm looking into it. But people did the 538 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: most dramatic of movie gasp and they started whispering. Um. 539 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: I felt so horrible and embarrassed by it. Um. And 540 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: my brain still keeps you up at night about this. Really, 541 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: it's one of those things, you know, when your brain 542 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: is like, remember that time you did this really ridiculous thing. Yeah, 543 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: and I'll probably see I was with people I kind 544 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,719 Speaker 1: of if we see each other every year a dragon Con, 545 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: but we don't know each other super well, Um, so 546 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: I'll probably see them again this year. And I bet you, 547 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: I bet you. I bet either dropping a bottle Yeah cute. 548 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: I would have been more concerned if I fell or something. 549 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: That's the thing is like I get it at dragon 550 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: Con because people are usually drunk and I usually get drunk, right, 551 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: But in this particular instance, I wasn't. I'm just clumsy, 552 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: and no one believed me about it. It's so weird. Yeah, 553 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: And well, if anyone saw that the Winter Soldier dropped 554 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: the bottle of beer outside of the Marriott, that was me. 555 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: That was me. Another thing women sided when it came 556 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: to concerns around drinking in public or how much they 557 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: would drink in public. Is the value of social currency 558 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: online diminished when photos of unflattering drunken behavior are posted 559 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: and like a lot of them said, they go out 560 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: and untagged. Yeah. Yeah, if they're in a picture where 561 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't look they don't like how it be. If 562 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: they just think they look drunk. Oh yeah, well, I 563 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: mean at this point in time, with social media, you 564 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: can lose a job. That teacher who had a drink 565 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: in her hand. Nothing implied she was drunk, nothing implies 566 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: she was anywhere when your kids, But she lost her 567 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: job as a teacher. That was absurd. Yeah, I I 568 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: sometimes struggle with Like I said, I don't and my 569 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: family drinking wasn't It was just kind of a thing, right, Um, 570 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: So I didn't really grow up with this mentality that 571 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people have. So sometimes I 572 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: forget and like, to me, you can just have one 573 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: drink at lunch and that's fine. But I've been around 574 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,479 Speaker 1: people who are clearly uncomfortable when I do that, right, 575 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm definitely one of those that didn't grow 576 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: up with it. So having alcohol in my pictures not 577 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: my favorite thing. As well as the fact that I 578 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: do work for state government, and so I'm very very cautious. 579 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: I try to hide as many things as possible. Of course, 580 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: to certain extent, I'm like, this is just being an 581 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: adult and being active and there's nothing truly wrong here. However, 582 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: it does go through my mind. I'm like, how how 583 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: does this how is this to be perceived Yes, yes, UM. 584 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: And something else A lot of women cited when they 585 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 1: were talking about UM concerns around drinking was in general 586 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: UM pregnancy, that it might be pregnant and not know 587 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: it UM. And that is something else. Researchers have looked 588 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: into the fact that women do have to give up 589 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: alcohol if they become pregnant. Is this somehow like a 590 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: lot of women give it up and then don't return 591 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: to it. Um. And then something else a loss of 592 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: custody of a child. Well, now there's one more thing 593 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: with the new laws that's coming about, is UM possibly 594 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: endangering children since now we have the new prenatal laws 595 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to help an abuse of fetuses. So 596 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: that's one more thing that's going to have to be 597 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 1: something for women to think on. So there is a 598 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: lot of different a different set of fears, shall we say, um. 599 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: And for me, I do feel like a lot of 600 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: the drinking that women do is on within the bounds 601 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: of femininity, whether that's the intention or not. Like UM, 602 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: it's acceptable for women to drink light beer, are skinny wine, 603 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: which is a brand because doing so, you're still recognizing 604 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: beauty as your social currency. Um, you can drink, but 605 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: only if you stick to these rules or you're purposefully 606 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: going against them to be again one of the guys. Um. 607 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: But more and more we are bucking that and people 608 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: people know, I love light beer when you're outside or 609 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: you're in it for a long all like if you're 610 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: at an all day type thing, I love it. And 611 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: what I don't love is that people always always make 612 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: fun of me for it or imply I'm a basic bitch. 613 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: And then as the day goes on, what do they 614 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: start drinking the light beer that I brought to the party, 615 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 1: Like this is a very personal thing for you. It 616 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: makes me so mad. Um, So I don't want to 617 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: judge anyone, like when I say drinking is done the 618 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 1: bounds of femininity. I like a lot of these things, 619 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,839 Speaker 1: right right, I was gonna say, I definitely will try 620 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: to limit caloric intake as well when it comes to drinking, 621 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: because it does stuck up so high, and I am 622 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: more likely to do the lighter things if I know 623 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,760 Speaker 1: I'm going for the long haul as well. But typically 624 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: I don't don't buy light beers. I think I've done 625 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: the whole. Can we talk about basic butch, which by 626 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: the way is not a great term in awful um 627 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,720 Speaker 1: not a great term. It's not it's not nice in general. 628 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: But I've started buying the Seltzer waters hard Seltzer water 629 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: partially because of that whole Okay, I want to drink something, 630 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: and I want something fruit and light, but I don't 631 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: want to, you know, end up all in Yeah, in 632 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,800 Speaker 1: the first hour. That is a big trend that's happening, 633 00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 1: um of movement towards lower A b v UM drinks 634 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: and also something that I'm really happy to see, um 635 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: more nonalcoholic drinks because I do have several friends who 636 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 1: are sober, and every time I see nonalcoholic drink section 637 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: on a menu that is more than just soda, um, 638 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: soda and water, it makes me very very happy. And 639 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: without the gluten free stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I have a 640 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: friend who is Celiac and she misses beard desperately, so 641 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: gets so excited when she sees a gluten free option um. 642 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 1: And And we did do an episode on nonalcoholic drinks 643 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: on on other show Saver, and I caught myself almost 644 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: saying something like not a real drink, which is total nonsense. 645 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: So that's something that I've been I had to like 646 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: reframe in my own mind. UM. But there there are 647 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: other positive things too. There's a couple of clubs like 648 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: Women Who Whiskey, which is a whiskey club with twenty 649 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: chapters across the US. UM. There are more women involved 650 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: in things like brewing and distilling. Right. Speaking of societies 651 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: or clubs, Pink Boot Society is a focus on female 652 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: breweries as well. That's kind of opened up very big 653 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: um around the country as well to the country. They're 654 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: even more just around people they've been around, they're they're around, 655 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: they're around, they're around um as well as different brewers 656 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: have been popping up as being female owned, which is fantastic. Uh. 657 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: And when we're getting more and more women who we've 658 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: already talked about it, I know that the original brewers female, 659 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: um and what that looked like, as well as the 660 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: fact um trying to come back into the fact that 661 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: women do like beer. Surprise. One of my friends started 662 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 1: a festival, Dames and Drugs in celebrating women in the 663 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: brewing industry. And usually that brings about having different local 664 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: breweries bringing their female employees to create a beer on 665 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: their own if they're not already doing it. Which is fantastic. 666 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: I think it's slowly up and coming, as well as 667 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: the fact that, yeah, I actually know about beers. I 668 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: actually know about hops and grains and you know, the 669 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: team process surprised and I can tell you what you 670 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: may or may not like. I am actually good at beers. 671 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 1: You are you you are? There's a what is now 672 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 1: kind of a funny picture of us, several funny pictures 673 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: we do. We had several run ins before we became 674 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: like friends. We I think we've met each other in passing. 675 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: I think this was before we met each other though 676 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: with the initial initial. Yeah, there's a picture of I 677 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,879 Speaker 1: was at an event for the Atlanta Science Festival called 678 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,320 Speaker 1: the Science of Sour Beer, and there's a picture of 679 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: me getting a beer. I was starving you a beer. 680 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: I was, And then our friend Caroline, who you know 681 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: stuff I've never told you, unladylike, was like, wait, YouTube, 682 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: I know both of you, you're in this picture. What 683 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 1: is going on? And I think we were trying to 684 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 1: figure out what was happening and how well. Of course 685 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 1: we've missed each other because we didn't know each other 686 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: at that point in time. But yeah, I did love 687 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: that picture because I'm pretty sure. Well, not only were 688 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 1: they doing fantastic tours and talking about fermentation and sour 689 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: beers and different fruits and all of that, I was 690 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: one of the ones who was also talking about these 691 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: are the types of beers that we have and how 692 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 1: we do this and what they do with this. So 693 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,399 Speaker 1: I was like, ha, see, I know science about beer. Yeah, 694 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,840 Speaker 1: before you knew me. I also ran into partin Freeman 695 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: that day. I was wearing a Captain America's shirt and 696 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,320 Speaker 1: he gave me the old point it seems like a 697 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: point not kind of guy, and I was I played 698 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: it cool because I went cool. Um. One other thing 699 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 1: I did want to add, going back to the non 700 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: alcoholic drinks, because I just got kind of curious, Um, 701 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: why do we call them? Sometimes call them virgin? And 702 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: it comes from during the nineteen twenties in America. Was 703 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,240 Speaker 1: was the height of temperance and prohibition. It meant pure 704 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 1: and untouched of course by sin, like, oh, touched for 705 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: the very first time. Are you doing a lot of things? 706 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,879 Speaker 1: I look, this is all you could do today? Maybe 707 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 1: Madonna got got her inspiration from this. Um. In March, 708 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: Scottish Parliament held an event looking into the sexualization of 709 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: women in alcohol advertising. Two of the report authors said, quote, 710 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 1: although men are about twice as likely as women to 711 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: die from alcohol related causes, media discussion often focuses on 712 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: the perceived problem of women's drinking, with moralistic and stigmatizing 713 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 1: attitudes featuring strongly in public discussions. We've been trying to 714 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: explore why this happens and to suggest how we can 715 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: counter cynical marketing by alcohol producers that exploit rather than 716 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: emancipate women, as well as suggesting how support services can 717 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 1: be more women friendly. And The chief executive over at 718 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,879 Speaker 1: the Institute for Alcohol Studies, Catherine Brown, said, the sexualization 719 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,280 Speaker 1: of women in alcohol marketing maybe working to undermine gender 720 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 1: equality and ultimately desensitized public attitudes towards domestic abuse and 721 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: sexual assault. We need to see an end to such 722 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 1: practices and learn from other countries such as France, which 723 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: restrict alcohol advertising to protect against adverse outcomes. So that's 724 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,359 Speaker 1: what happens with the Queen's Ripe cases. Oftentimes the first 725 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 1: question is what are you drinking? Where you intoxicated, and 726 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: this kind of whole idea that you're responsible if you 727 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: start drinking, you're the reason that this happened to you 728 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 1: dot dot dot. Yeah, UM, we have some more for 729 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: you listeners, but first we're going to pause for one 730 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 1: more quickick for to more sponsor and we're back. Thank 731 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 1: you sponsor. And I know there is a lot of 732 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:49,320 Speaker 1: conversation right now that I find really fascinating around the 733 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 1: idea of and I think this is this could be 734 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: said for a lot of industries because we're just in 735 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: a time of change from so much change. But um, 736 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: kind of this what for so long has been even 737 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: though it was started by women, perhaps um dominated by men, 738 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: this male industry that by drinking, you're dealing with the patriarchy, 739 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: even though you're participating in the patriarchy, Like it's a 740 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: it's the male industry telling you, Yeah, you want to 741 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: drink this, you want to be part of the group. 742 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: You want to be part of men women you can. 743 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,839 Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of that whole cigarette thing, 744 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,839 Speaker 1: however happened with that? Um, And I just I read 745 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 1: a lot of interesting like I'm still kind of processing it, 746 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:39,839 Speaker 1: but pieces about um, how women might be drinking because 747 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: they're so frustrated with all the stuff, all of this stuff, right, 748 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: that's happening. I mean, I'm sure we're going to have 749 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 1: more and more statistics over what's happened in the last 750 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: two years alone with our social climate and I say 751 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: our in the US alone, and how things are being 752 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: more and more restricted for the film population in wondering 753 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,360 Speaker 1: how high alcoholism, you know, problems are because of the 754 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 1: stress level and all of that. As you're speaking, because 755 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: I know we've already talked about therapy and such growing 756 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,240 Speaker 1: up because of this time frame and just in general, 757 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 1: the overall unversal stress that's coming from just politics alone, 758 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 1: just conversations with social expectations alone. Yeah. Um, yeah, there 759 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: are a lot of there's a lot of stuff being 760 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 1: written about it right now, and like advising you to 761 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: not blunts away your your anger with alcohol as women. 762 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 1: But I just I find I find I'm glad this 763 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: conversation is happening, um. And and there's also a lot 764 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: of conversation, and we didn't really get into it today 765 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:57,239 Speaker 1: about how the alcohol industry targets youth um with like 766 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 1: they're they're very sweet kind of it tastes like juice drinks. Um. 767 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,680 Speaker 1: So that's another problem that, um, that we need to 768 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 1: we need to look into I would love to talk 769 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,880 Speaker 1: about the days you Yes, well we can do that. 770 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 1: We can. But in the meantime, this is the end 771 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,720 Speaker 1: of this episode. We would love to hear any stereotypes 772 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,560 Speaker 1: you've encountered, um, anything that any clubs maybe, or something 773 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,320 Speaker 1: that you find hopeful about this whole, whole situation. You 774 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 1: can email us at Stuff Media, mom Stuff at iHeart 775 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,799 Speaker 1: media dot com. You can find us on Twitter at 776 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 1: mom Stuff Podcast and on Instagram at Stuff I've Never 777 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: Told You. 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