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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show Friday edition of

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Speaker 2: the program. We're going to try to have some fun,

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Speaker 2: keep you entertained, hopefully make you smarter as we roll

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Speaker 2: through this program on this Friday and take you into

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Speaker 2: the weekend.

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Speaker 3: I imagine a lot of.

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Speaker 2: You like me, sneaking a peek at the Masters that

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Speaker 2: is taking place right now down in Augusta underway. Beautiful weather,

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Speaker 2: there a lot of you. I bet we'll have a

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Speaker 2: master's nap on Saturday or Sunday. You ever have a

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Speaker 2: master's nap before? Buck, You know what I'm referring to.

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Speaker 2: Put on the golf and it's just like they have

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Speaker 2: the birds in the background, like the kind of soft

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Speaker 2: melodic tones.

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Speaker 3: It's not very loud.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing how often I fall asleep sometimes sitting watching

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Speaker 2: the Masters coming down the home stretch on Saturday or

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Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon. The master's nap is a tradition in the

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Speaker 2: Travis house, and I bet in many of the households

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Speaker 2: out there across the country, we got a bunch of

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Speaker 2: different stories talk about tons of fallout from the OJ

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Speaker 2: Simpson death.

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Speaker 3: You may be.

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Speaker 2: Stunned by some of the things that you hear us play,

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Speaker 2: because some of the commentary was just absolutely crazy.

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Speaker 3: Buck.

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Speaker 2: Even even our conversation, I thought, hey, we're gonna hear

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Speaker 2: some wacky stuff.

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Speaker 3: It was even worse than I anticipated.

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Speaker 2: But there was a story that I saw this morning

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Speaker 2: in the Wall Street Journal about the number of black

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Speaker 2: men that are interested in supporting Trump, and I want

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Speaker 2: to dive into that here in a little bit. But first,

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Speaker 2: this story out of Memphis is unfortunate. It's getting a

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Speaker 2: lot of attention. It's happening far too often. A Memphis

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Speaker 2: police officer was shot and killed in the line of duty.

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Speaker 2: He was shot and killed by a suspect that had

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Speaker 2: been arrested for a violent crime and released with no bail,

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Speaker 2: a teenage suspect Memphis. I'll tell you a little story

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Speaker 2: about Memphis here in a minute, because I do think

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Speaker 2: the city of Memphis is in the.

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Speaker 3: Midst of real challenges.

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Speaker 2: But here is cut one describing what happened the three

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Speaker 2: police officers who were shot, one of whom is passed.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 4: A total of three officers were struck by gunfire tragically,

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Speaker 4: one of our officers lost his life. That officer is

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Speaker 4: Joseph McKinney. One suspect was eighteen years old, and the

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Speaker 4: other suspect is seventeen years old. The eighteen year old

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Speaker 4: suspect was arrested in March twenty twenty four by MPD

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Speaker 4: and a stolen vehicle with an illegal modified semi automatic

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Speaker 4: weapon with a glock switch attached. The block switch converted

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Speaker 4: the weapon to a fully automatic machine gun. He was

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Speaker 4: also charged at that time for two stolen vehicles and

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Speaker 4: having a programming device commonly used.

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Speaker 5: To steal cars.

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Speaker 4: The suspect was released at that time without bond.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is the I believe the Memphis Police chief

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Speaker 2: that you heard speaking there. We certainly extend our condolences

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Speaker 2: to officer Joseph McKinney who was killed. I am so

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Speaker 2: sick of this happening, not only obviously with police officers,

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Speaker 2: violent perpetrators arrested. She said, he was arrested in March

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Speaker 5: You heard what he was arrested with. That's fairly significant.

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Speaker 2: Three stolen cars, I think, she said, a semi automatic

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Speaker 5: He's right back on the streets. And I think she

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Speaker 2: Of saying that because I think there's so many police

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Speaker 2: have yelled this from the rooftops. We know who's going

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Speaker 2: to commit violent crime. The police know who's going to

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Speaker 5: Do we know how old these suspect is.

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Speaker 3: I think they said eighteen for the one that.

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Speaker 5: He is, so he's an adult, Okay, because.

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Speaker 2: One now I think I think the eighteen year old

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Speaker 3: I believe team can look that up.

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Speaker 2: There's another seventeen year old involved, but I think the

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Speaker 5: One of the problems that are having in some of

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Speaker 5: especially with things like carjackings of you say, the drug

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Speaker 5: they're right. Unfortunately, the city of Memphis in last year

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Speaker 5: had four hundred, about four hundred homicides. That's unbelievable for

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Speaker 5: a city Memphis size. Yeah, that's a mess. That's a

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Speaker 5: If you took the same per capita homicide rate of

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Speaker 5: something along those lines. That is warez level. I mean,

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Speaker 5: death and despair. Why aren't they making the city of

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Speaker 5: Memphis should have absolutely no prime priority other than making

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Speaker 5: affects everything else. It affects the schools, it affects property values,

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Speaker 5: it aff it affects everything else. I've actually was approached

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Speaker 5: has a lot of things going for it, you know, culturally,

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Speaker 5: And I looked at the crime rate and I just said,

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Speaker 5: just been trending in the wrong direction. But this is

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Speaker 5: true of a number of different cities, and the one

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Speaker 5: unifying characteristic they all have when it comes to the

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Speaker 5: response absolute democrat control. Yeah, no chance of a Republican

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Speaker 5: a right leaning police commissioner or prosecutor. It's Sorosda's left

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Speaker 2: To put that into context to what you were saying,

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Speaker 2: and maybe our team can look it up. I think

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Speaker 2: the murder rate, we got a lot of people listening

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Speaker 2: in New York. For instance, I think the murder rate

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Speaker 5: Well, New York City has eight point six million people,

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Speaker 5: and someone can do a spot check. I mean, I

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Speaker 5: three or four hundred, I would think. And it's thirteen

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Speaker 3: High side rate.

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Speaker 2: For people out there who are fed up with New

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Speaker 3: That this city does.

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Speaker 2: By the way, the eighteen year old was shot and

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Speaker 2: killed in this confrontation with the police where two other

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Speaker 5: I mean I read a lot about New York three

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Speaker 5: hundred and eighty six homicides steet between three and four hundred,

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Speaker 5: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: So you're talking about twelve thirteen X.

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Speaker 2: Then right, like the amount of homicide in Memphis, Memphis

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Speaker 5: That's Crimphis has more homicides. Memphis has six hundred thousand

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Speaker 5: residents and more people, more people murdered than New York

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Speaker 5: City with eight point six million residents. That's putting into

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I told you this off air because you

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Speaker 2: were asking, because we were talking about the Memphis situation.

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Speaker 2: When I was a kid growing up, Memphis and Nashville

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Speaker 2: for instance, Houston and Dallas have a rivalry. Inside of

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Speaker 2: eighties and nineties, you could have had a debate, Oh,

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Speaker 2: which one is going to be better, Nashville or Memphis.

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Speaker 2: Nashville has skyrocketed, and so many people who are successful

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Speaker 2: in Memphis now have just given up in Memphis and

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Speaker 5: And a part of me thinks that the governor.

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Speaker 2: Buck when we talk about those numbers we're talking about

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Speaker 2: I feel like the State National Guard almost needs to

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Speaker 2: patrolling the streets. I mean, when you're talking about the

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Speaker 2: level of violence and homicide that is going on right now,

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Speaker 3: Totally innocent people.

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Speaker 2: I think we've talked to I think our name Eliza Fletcher,

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Speaker 2: the mom who went for the jog and got murdered

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Speaker 2: by somebody else who shouldn't have been out early release.

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Speaker 2: And I believe we talked about a doctor, if I

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Speaker 2: remember correctly, who was just out with his walking a

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Speaker 3: Totally innocent.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about people who have done completely nothing wrong

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Speaker 2: not drug dealers shooting at each other. We're talking about

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Speaker 2: completely innocent people that cannot go about their life on

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Speaker 2: And by the way, Memphis is not alone. Right we

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Speaker 2: talked about Kansas City is setting all time highs, Washington,

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Speaker 5: Philadelphia recently it was either last year or the year before,

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Speaker 5: all time all time high including the nineties, including the seventies,

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Speaker 5: all time high it was about seven hundred murders in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 2: Remember how buck everybody cared about that shooting at the

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Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs Victory Parade until they found out that

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Speaker 2: it was just you know, young inner city residents shooting

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Speaker 2: at each other. They thought when it was a mass shooting,

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Speaker 2: they were like, when are we going to do something

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Speaker 2: about gun control? When are we going to take action?

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Speaker 2: This is unacceptable. Then you find out that it's just

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Speaker 2: just set a record high in murders. Story vanished. Nobody cares.

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Speaker 2: And you mentioned over four hunt. I mean that that

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Speaker 2: number of Memphis murders. The reason this is story is

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Speaker 2: because a police officer lost his life and two other

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Speaker 2: A doctor walking in a park who had just moved

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Speaker 2: Some of these Soros prosecutors that are allowing violent perpetrators

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Speaker 3: Do you know that.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that either. It's pretty cool. I liked

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Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton Welcome.

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Speaker 2: Back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of

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Speaker 2: But I wanted to hit you at this Buck. Here are,

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Speaker 2: according to twenty twenty three per capita data, the five deadliest,

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Speaker 2: I've spent a decent amount of time in Memphis because

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Speaker 6: They're born and raised. My whole life there, and my

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Speaker 6: started shooting. And luckily, for the grace of God, I

440
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Speaker 6: was not hit. My friend was not hit. And those

441
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 6: two gang members took off running as they were shooting

442
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Speaker 6: at us, and the police came and they were like, okay,

443
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 6: like we actually didn't even call nine to one. We

444
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Speaker 6: ran down the street. And this tells you about the

445
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Speaker 6: mentality of the police and how I think. Just down

446
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Speaker 6: Trott and they are. They're in Memphis right now. Depending

447
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Speaker 6: on whose statue look at, they're either nine hundred to

448
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Speaker 6: fourteen hundred police officers below what they should be. And

449
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Speaker 6: I ran to a police officer and I looked at him,

450
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Speaker 6: I said, I just got shot that and I mean

451
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Speaker 6: I'm shaking, and he said, yeah, we heard the gun shots.

452
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Speaker 6: And he looked at me and he said, that's not

453
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Speaker 6: my job. I'll call somebody. Didn't move, didn't react. He said, literally,

454
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Speaker 6: that's not my job. Now, my dad's in law enforcement

455
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Speaker 6: full disclosure, it's been a law enforcement most of his

456
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Speaker 6: career in Memphis. So you can imagine my shots seeing

457
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Speaker 6: the police officer telling me that's not his job. And

458
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 6: now I understand why he said that he's not going

459
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 6: to go die because if he goes and grabs those guys,

460
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Speaker 6: they are going to be right back down the streets,

461
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Speaker 6: which is exactly what happened clam Buck. They ended up

462
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Speaker 6: catching them two weeks later. Not only did they catch them,

463
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 6: I had to go testify at a parole hearing for

464
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Speaker 6: a prior attempted murder charge against one of the two guys.

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Speaker 6: The gang members came to two oh one Poplar, which

466
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Speaker 6: is the courthouse, got in the elevator with me and

467
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Speaker 6: my friend and threatened to murder us in the elevator,

468
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Speaker 6: full on scuffle I'm talking of fight. We got out

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Speaker 6: of the elevator at the courthouse, we're able to open

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Speaker 6: the doors. We then they held us for an hour

471
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Speaker 6: and a half and we were told by the judge

472
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Speaker 6: after they held us, they said, hey, just say, you

473
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Speaker 6: know this is normal, like this is what they do.

474
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Speaker 6: They come and antimidate witnesses so they won't testify against them.

475
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Speaker 6: They basically run the court system down here, and they

476
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Speaker 6: have great attorneys that take care of them and protect them.

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Speaker 6: And that's how the gangs work in Memphis. And this

478
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Speaker 6: is who Steve Moulroy basically works for. He takes his

479
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 6: direction as a Soros DA from these gangs. It's no

480
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 6: different than a cartel. And then they both got plea deals.

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Speaker 6: I was never asked as a victim of the crime.

482
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Speaker 6: I got a letter in the mail. No one called

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Speaker 6: me from the DA's office to say they were going

484
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Speaker 6: to do the deal. So I go to the mailbox.

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Speaker 6: Imagine this has happening to you. You then been your life threatened.

486
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Speaker 6: They know your address, they've told you that if you

487
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Speaker 6: testify against them, they're going to murder you. And then

488
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Speaker 6: you get a letter in the mail from the DA's office.

489
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Speaker 6: It says they've pleaded out five point six years and

490
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Speaker 6: four point seven years for these crimes. Where the only

491
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Speaker 6: reason why you're alive is because God protected you. You

492
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Speaker 6: shot back and you saved your own life in essence,

493
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Speaker 6: and and God protected us. It was amazing, because when

494
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Speaker 6: you're shooting five feet away, how do you not get hit?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 6: It's a blessing. But that's what happened, and sure enough

497
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Speaker 6: they went to prison and they got out early, and

498
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Speaker 6: they committed future crimes. It's a revolving door. But if

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Speaker 6: you're a police officer now, and this goes back to

500
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Speaker 6: defund the police, and I've witnessed it firsthand, if you

501
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Speaker 6: can't deliberately defund the police, what they're now doing, and

502
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 6: these de activist das and Molroy and others are doing,

503
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Speaker 6: is they're basically saying the cops, you're an idiot if

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Speaker 6: you go risk your life to lock someone up, because

505
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 6: we're going to let them right back out. So the

506
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Speaker 6: police officers are being defunded because the judges and these

507
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 6: activist das are basically mocking them. So why would you

508
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 6: want to risk your life to lock up a bad

509
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 6: guy if you know that you're not actually locking him up.

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Speaker 6: This is the reason why you're down nine hundred to

511
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Speaker 6: twelve hundred, thirteen hundred officers in Memphis and other places

512
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Speaker 6: like New Orleans and Baltimore and Detroit and Saint Louis.

513
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Speaker 6: It's you literally make the police go insane to the

514
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Speaker 6: point where they say, Okay, I'm not going to die

515
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Speaker 6: or risk my life, dying to lock someone up who's

516
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Speaker 6: not actually going to be locked up because we're not

517
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Speaker 6: locking up bad guys. It's a revolving door. And now

518
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Speaker 6: you look at Bayle in Memphis. There's a large population.

519
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 6: Memphis is poor. And you come in, they said do

520
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 6: you have any money? And you say no, and they go, okay,

521
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 6: well we're going to let you out for shooting this

522
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 6: guy for one hundred bucks and they walk out the

523
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Speaker 6: same day.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so you've been done.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Ben Ferguson. You hear them on verdict.

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Speaker 2: You grew up in Memphis. I grew up in Nashville.

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Speaker 2: You probably remember, as I do. There was a rivalry

528
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Speaker 2: between those two cities in the eighties and the nineties

529
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Speaker 2: over which city was better. Now, Nashville has skyrocketed, it's boomed,

530
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Speaker 2: it's everything is going pretty fantastic here. Memphis has fallen

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Speaker 2: by the wayside. Let's pretend you suddenly got basically dictatorial powers.

532
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Speaker 2: What would have to happen for Memphis to get fixed?

533
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Speaker 2: What needs to happen? As a longtime Memphian, what do

534
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Speaker 2: they need to do that they're not doing now?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I told that the Shelby Kenney Sheriff ran for mayor,

536
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Speaker 6: and I sat down with them. I said, I will

537
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Speaker 6: give you unlimited free advice because I want you to win.

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Speaker 6: And I said, if I was, you know, I had

539
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 6: people when I that said, then you need to run.

540
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 6: You need to run. And I genuinely thought about it,

541
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 6: pulled a petition once. But what I realized was I

542
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 6: was white, so I wasn't going to get elected. And

543
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 6: I was a Republican, so I wasn't going to get elected.

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Speaker 6: And I told him, I said, you're a Democrat, You're

545
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Speaker 6: African American, you care about this city, and you know

546
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 6: the crime. I said, what I would do is I

547
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 6: would say, immediately number one, I would declare a state

548
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Speaker 6: of emergency with crime, and I would have a curfew

549
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 6: for eighteen and under immediately in the city. I would

550
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Speaker 6: then immediately tell the citizens, I'm leaving Memphis every day

551
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 6: to go recruit police officers and other cities until we

552
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 6: get the numbers at twenty percent above what we need

553
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 6: them to be, until we get this city basically lockdown,

554
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 6: and the criminals understand this is not the city you

555
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 6: want to commit a crime in, because we're coming after you.

556
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 6: And I said in Third, you immediately go to Nashville

557
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 6: and you go to the governor and other elected state

558
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 6: reps and state senators and you say, I need truth

559
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 6: and sentencing laws. I need a three strikes you're out program.

560
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Speaker 6: That doesn't have to be a full strike for shoplifting.

561
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 6: That can be a half a strike, right, it can

562
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 6: be sensible law enforcement basically say I'm going to have

563
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 6: to go around you. And then, most importantly, if you

564
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 6: want to change the city, you've got to get rid

565
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 6: of these judges that are activist judges that believe their

566
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 6: job is not to hope people accountable. They believe their

567
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 6: job is to basically right the wrongs of the past

568
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 6: and to let African Americans that are committing these crimes

569
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Speaker 6: out of jail because it's basically payback. Like we just

570
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 6: heard about from with OJ Simpson, Well you deserve to

571
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 6: get out because the wrongs of the past and Roddy

572
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 6: King and you go after these judges. The biggest problem

573
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Speaker 6: we have now in these cities is most people don't

574
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Speaker 6: know who their judges are. I'm guilty of that. I

575
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 6: think you guys probably don't know who your criminal court

576
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 6: judges are. And they're no longer they're no, this is

577
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 6: more important than any other position in your city is

578
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 6: your judges. Because there are judges that see people that

579
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 6: commit heinous crimes, that rate people, that beat people, that

580
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 6: that shoot people, and they don't die. These medical professionals

581
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 6: say their life and they say, okay, are are you poor? Yes,

582
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 6: well then you get to walk out in here today.

583
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 6: We'll see you later, and they commit more crimes and

584
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 6: they laugh and mock the police. But I told him,

585
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 6: I said, you have to basically be a psychopath in

586
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 6: fighting crime for your first year in office. And if

587
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 6: you want to change this, you're going to have to

588
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 6: go and find good officers and pay them incredible salaries

589
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 6: and bonuses to get them to come protect your city,

590
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 6: because they're not going to do it for what you're

591
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 6: paying them now, and they're not going to do it

592
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 6: if they're going to let these people out of jail

593
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 6: immediately when you lock them up. And he looked at me,

594
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 6: He's like, Okay, I think you're right. He goes, but

595
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 6: I don't know how that's going to play with the

596
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 6: Democratic Party. And I'm like, there's enough people here that

597
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 6: don't feel safe. People don't feel safe in my hometown

598
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Speaker 6: of Memphis, and I love that city, but it's not safe.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's Ben. Look, really appreciate your perspective on this one.

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00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 5: Exactly what we wanted to dive into with you so

601
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 5: we can really know what's going on there, Ben Ferguson.

602
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 5: Everybody check out Verdict with Ted Cruz and Ben Ferguson.

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Speaker 5: Ben my friend. We will talk to you soon. Thanks

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00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 5: for joining us, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 6: Guys.

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Speaker 5: Look, I'm a big believer in the right to bear arms.

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Speaker 5: You want to be able to defend yourself, defend your home,

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Speaker 5: and you also want to be tactically proficient, right, and

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Speaker 5: so you want to have the right tools for the job.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes all you can do is laugh.

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Speaker 7: And they do a lot of it with the Sunday

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Speaker 5: All right, second hour Clay and Buck kicks off. Now,

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Speaker 5: we told you yesterday about the news breaking of OJ

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Speaker 5: Simpson's death. Saw this morning he had people, including medical staff,

641
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Speaker 5: signing non disclosure agreements in his final days. Did you

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Speaker 5: see that play? That's the reporting gun now, d wait,

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Speaker 5: have you ever heard of that before? I haven't heard

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Speaker 5: of someone having somebody sign in NDA in the last

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Speaker 5: days before they die. I think that's very curious. Uh,

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Speaker 5: you don't, you don't find I've never I've never heard

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Speaker 5: of that happening. Well, I mean never heard of it happening.

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Speaker 5: Either kind of thing that you might think. I don't know,

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Speaker 5: if you were worried, you might make some kind of

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Speaker 5: a last minute confession or something you wouldn't want anyone

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Speaker 5: what you say to your family. I don't know, and

653
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 5: I guess we'll never know. But NDA's signed by Steph.

654
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 5: Do you imagine asking the nurse. I mean, you've got

655
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 5: days to live, you know that, You're like, I need

656
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 5: you to sign this NDA, what.

657
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: To come visit?

658
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 5: It's very strange, buddy, you got you got no time

659
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 5: left like you want it. You want a non just

660
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 5: you're gonna take her to court next year. Good luck

661
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 5: with that anyway. Very weird from uh, from you know,

662
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 5: the Simpson camp, although I think it raises you know, oh,

663
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 5: why was he so worried he was going to say

664
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 5: something at the end and the estate and you know,

665
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 5: any money that would be left anyway, The White House

666
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 5: offered condolences. We didn't get to talk about this yesterday.

667
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 5: That was real, right, that wasn't Oh yeah, that's one

668
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 5: hundred percent real.

669
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: They offered condolences to Ojay's family, Karie Jean Pierre did

670
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: from the White House press briefing.

671
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 5: It's I think about that, Think about that for a moment,

672
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 5: you know, condolences to OJ's family because the passing of

673
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 5: what this American icon. Uh, someone explained to me, what

674
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 5: are they going to fill in the blank with?

675
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Speaker 3: There?

676
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 5: Okay, legendary athlete, actor and millionaire O J. Simpson's murder

677
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 5: trial lost him the American dream. That was a headline

678
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 5: from the Associated Press that they're really going to pretend

679
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 5: like he's the OJ's the victim. This is what the media.

680
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 5: You know what, Clay, I gotta give you credit. Yesterday

681
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 5: you were saying if he had done this today, there

682
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 5: would be an even more there'd be a louder chorus

683
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 5: of It's fine, it's not him. Even if he did it,

684
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 5: that's okay, because you know, racism or whatever. I think

685
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 5: you're right, and I think that the responses that we

686
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 5: have seen from people, the way this is covered goes

687
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 5: directly to that. So I sit here. Oh and then

688
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 5: this one Clay made me think of you. The Heisman Association.

689
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: I just I'm baffled by how bad these companies are

690
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: and these organizations are.

691
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 5: Yes, the Heisman Trophy Trust mourns the passing of nineteen

692
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 5: sixty eight Heisman Trophy winner OJ Simpson. We extend our

693
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 5: sympathy to his family. I think the right thing for

694
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 5: the Heisman Association or what a Heisman Trophy Trust to

695
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 5: say when OJ dies is nothing.

696
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: I don't think there's The Bill or Southern Cow put

697
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: out a statement when OJ died. The Bills were the

698
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: team that is most known for OJ Simpson's playing career

699
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: in the NFL Southern col obviously, and you guys can

700
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong on this. But the thing

701
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: that's crazy about all this coverage. The New York Times

702
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: had to adjust its obituary, The AP had to adjust

703
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 2: its obituary. The LA Times had to adjust its obituary

704
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 2: the Heisman Trust. As you just pointed out, they won't

705
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: let Reggie Bush have his Heisman Trophy because his family

706
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: allegedly got improper benefits.

707
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 3: But OJ committed double murder and kept.

708
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 2: His I my thing on this is it wasn't crazy

709
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: to think that OJ might die. He was seventy six,

710
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: so they had abundant amounts of time to write these

711
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: obituaries and be prepared for something like OJ dying. If

712
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: people out there who don't really have never really thought

713
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 2: about it, I understand I'd never really given it much thought.

714
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: If you're supremely famous, well, let's say you are Bill Clinton,

715
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 2: let's former president, they have your entire obituary already written,

716
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: so if you die, they have it ready. They have

717
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: staff that are responsible for writing famous people obituaries.

718
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 6: Now.

719
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: Sometimes Kobe Bryant dies in a totally unexpected relative no

720
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: one else prepared one. He wasn't in his seventies and

721
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: dying of cancer. Clay, it was a reminder yesterday.

722
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 5: If you are i'd say roughly you know, forty and

723
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 5: up in terms of age, so really right around my

724
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 5: age and your age, and then going all the way up.

725
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 5: OJ is one of the most recognizable Americans on the planet.

726
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, his name is name recognition. I mean

727
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 5: he is one of the you know, infamous is the

728
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 5: correct term, but he's one of the most famous slash

729
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 5: infamous people of our entire generation because of that trial.

730
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 5: You said yesterday, one hundred million people watch the verdict,

731
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 5: which again, that's like a super Bowl, a super Bowl game.

732
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 5: It's when the country had a much smaller population. But

733
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 5: the lessons we are supposed to take, even at this point,

734
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 5: I would have thought, maybe, obviously this is a mistake.

735
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 5: With more time, with more context, with more understanding, there

736
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 5: would be greater clarity about what a total atrocity of

737
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 5: the justice system it was that O. J. Simpson was

738
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 5: not found guilty of double murder. But no, Actually, with

739
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 5: the passage of time, people have gotten more creative with

740
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 5: conspiracy theories. They've gotten more overt about some of the

741
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 5: racial component of why a not guilty verdict, even though

742
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 5: we all think he did the actual murders, is somehow

743
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 5: the acceptable or the preferred outcome this, I mean, we

744
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 5: could just go through some of these plays. So yesterday

745
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 5: CNN S Stephanie Elam was reporting on OJ Simpson's death.

746
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 5: Here's how this is a CNN reporter. Here's how she

747
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:01,479
Speaker 5: talked about a play three.

748
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Speaker 8: It's also just worth noting how much was impacted by

749
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 8: this trial as so many things happened. We saw policing

750
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 8: changing here in the city. And it's also worth noting

751
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 8: because of that unrest, that racial unrest in the nineties,

752
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 8: that is why so many people who may not have

753
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 8: been invested in oj Simpson were just happy to see

754
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 8: that someone who was rich and famous and black could

755
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 8: get away with what other people did in the system

756
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 8: as well.

757
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 6: Too.

758
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 5: Oh oh, I'm sorry. That last part was the real

759
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 5: moment for me, Clay.

760
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 3: She was so close to say and murder.

761
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 5: She was so close to say that he did get

762
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 5: away with She was about to say get away with

763
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 5: murder because we all know, but also who in the

764
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 5: system is getting away with double murder? No, find me

765
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 5: the person who cut off two people's heads and had

766
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 5: blood everywhere, and you know, had a history of abuse

767
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 5: to one of the people and had the motive and

768
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 5: fled police. I mean the whole thing. Find me one

769
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 5: person that everybody thought was that guilty and they just

770
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 5: got off. Because is there anybody who in living memory

771
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 5: who's white, privileged got them off, or a double homicide

772
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 5: where they cut people's heads off. I don't I'm not

773
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 5: aware of this.

774
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 2: It's a good question. Getting away with double murder is

775
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: incredibly rare. It makes it sound like it's like a

776
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: tax charge.

777
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 5: I know, j got Look, I'll be honest with you,

778
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 5: and people get mad at me. Why are we talking about,

779
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 5: like how much you like Wesley Snipes? I don't know.

780
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 5: I'm a big Wesley Snipes fan. I celebrate his movies.

781
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 5: You know, Wesley got caught up on a little tax thing,

782
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 5: and there's a part of me that's like, you know,

783
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 5: Wesley who hasn't made a little mistake there, you know

784
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 5: what I mean? Like, this wasn't taxes. It was a

785
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 5: grisly double murder. And just you know, to suggest Wesley

786
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 5: got more time.

787
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: Than you know, we didn't talk about this yesterday. Yeah,

788
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: Wesley Snipe's got way more time. You know, OJ got

789
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: custody of Nicole Brown Simpson's kids after this.

790
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 3: I know, I don't know that hardly.

791
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 2: And can you imagine if your son in law murdered

792
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: your daughter and then got sole custody of your grandkids,

793
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: Because that's what happened to Nicole Brown Simpson's parents. Think

794
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 2: about how crazy that. I can't believe that more people

795
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: have not talked about this. He got custody, sole custody

796
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: of their two children after he murdered their mother. Imagine

797
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: what those kids, Imagine what their parents, the parents of

798
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 2: Nicole Brown Simpson went through. It's not only that he

799
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 2: didn't go to jail for the double murder. He raised

800
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: to kids whose mom he murdered. I just I can't

801
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: believe that's not a bigger part of this story. Listen

802
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: to this too. This other cutbuck, This woman went on

803
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 2: what is her name for cut forward guys, let me

804
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: know her as Ashley Allison. Ashley Allison goes on and says, oh,

805
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: I see it here. Sorry that the black community feels

806
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: connected to OJ Simpson because he killed white people.

807
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: Listen to this. This was on CNN yesterday.

808
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 9: It's not like OJ Simpson was the leader of the

809
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 9: civil rights movement of his error. You know, he wasn't

810
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 9: a social justice leader, but he represented something for the

811
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 9: black community in that moment in that trial, particularly because

812
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 9: there were two white people who have been killed, and

813
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 9: the history around how black people have been persecuted during slavery.

814
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 9: There was just so many layers until this country is

815
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 9: ready to actually have.

816
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 5: And it's a conversation about.

817
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 9: The racial dynamics from our origin story till today. We

818
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 9: will always have moments like OJ Simpson that manifests and

819
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 9: our country will always be divided if we don't actually

820
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 9: deal with the issue of race.

821
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 5: No, if people don't act like childish imbeciles and belie

822
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 5: believe that the law is the law and that we

823
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 5: actually hold people individually accountable for their actions, we will

824
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 5: not have moments where people get away with double murder

825
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 5: because of some narrative around it. O. J. Simpson was

826
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 5: a super rich, famous guy living in mansions in Brentwood,

827
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 5: like this idea that he somehow is tied to the

828
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 5: oppression of slavery, and that that I mean, you heard

829
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 5: what she said, Clayton. This is insane. I'll just imagine

830
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 5: the insanity of the nineties is all coming back out

831
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 5: of these of these people that are talking about this

832
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 5: on TV.

833
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 3: I think it's worse.

834
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean again, I think people are more

835
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: explicitly racist today than they were in nineteen ninety five.

836
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Speaker 5: I would just want to I want to ask this

837
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 5: question again, if if there is some justification because of

838
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 5: the legacy. Let's just take what was said there on CNN,

839
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 5: you know, big, major cable well you know, not a

840
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 5: lot of viewers, but major cable news, global news brand.

841
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 5: If it's about the legacy of slavery? How many how

842
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 5: many white people can have their throats slit by a

843
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 5: celebrity who you know who is black and then say, well,

844
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 5: this is because of oppression. I just want to know, like,

845
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 5: what's the not are we sure the two is the number?

846
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 5: How many more?

847
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 2: But just imagine if somebody had gone on to CNN

848
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: and said, after a white person kills a black person,

849
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 2: they really felt connected to the black to the white

850
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: community because they killed two black people, that would be

851
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: immediate grounds for that person to never air again.

852
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 3: It would be a prime story. Everybody be talking about it.

853
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: This person, Ashley Allison, said the black community was connected

854
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: to OJ because he killed two white people, and they

855
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: just aired it on CNN. Nobody stopped her, Nobody like said, hey,

856
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 2: can we just kind of get a point of clarity here.

857
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 2: You're not saying that black people appreciated the fact that

858
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 2: OJ killed two white people, and that makes him more

859
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: likable in your community, right, No.

860
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: White said, I don't see it.

861
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: And by the way, we've got more we need to

862
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 2: play more crazy that came out. I think it would

863
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: be worse if OJ happened today. I really do, because

864
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: I think more people would explicitly say he shouldn't be convicted,

865
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 2: because I think there'd be white people arguing this today. Buck,

866
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: I think there'd be a lot of white wope people

867
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 2: out there saying, you know what, black people should kill

868
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 2: us because of what happened with slavery. I don't think

869
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Speaker 5: White No leftists are are are more excited and want

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Speaker 5: to go further in the destruction of America than any

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Speaker 1: Slay Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of Truth.

904
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Speaker 2: Welcome in fourteen hours up on into the fifteenth.

905
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Speaker 3: Hour of the week.

906
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: We appreciate all of you who've been listening to us

907
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: all week long. I hope that you are going to

908
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 2: have fantastic weekends. We'll certainly be back with you on Monday.

909
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: But there's been a lot of negativity out there. I,

910
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: who were usually a huge optimist, have undoubtedly succumbed to

911
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: some elements of negativity. Whether it's Arizona associated with an

912
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: eighteen sixty four law on abortion being elevated to the

913
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 2: law of the land there, whether it's Frankly OJ dying

914
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: and spending time going back thinking about thirty years ago

915
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 2: and how OJ might be covered today. But I want

916
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: to give you some optimism as we roll into this

917
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Speaker 2: third hour and as we head into the weekend. A

918
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Speaker 2: couple of stories out there that got my eye, one

919
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Speaker 2: in the Wall Street Journal, one in the New York Times. Buck,

920
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Speaker 2: let's start with the Wall Street Journal and I mentioned this,

921
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Speaker 2: I think, off the top of the show and said

922
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Speaker 2: I was going to discuss it. I said on this

923
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Speaker 2: show that I thought twenty five percent of black men

924
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Speaker 2: might be willing to vote for Donald.

925
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Speaker 3: Trump in twenty twenty four.

926
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Speaker 2: That would be a substantial jump from what the numbers

927
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Speaker 2: reflected in twenty twenty And I said, that's why I

928
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Speaker 2: think Trump is going to pick Tim Scott as his

929
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Speaker 2: running mate South Carolina Senator Tim Scott because I think

930
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Speaker 2: Trump sees this and he sees an opportunity to make

931
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Speaker 2: inroads into Joe Biden's base, primarily through black men. I

932
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: think it's going to be harder to move black women,

933
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 2: who are really the focal point of the Democrat Party

934
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 2: ninety six percent of them vote Democrat, unprecedented across racial

935
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Speaker 2: and gender lines anywhere to have a monolithic support of

936
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Speaker 2: that nature. But I think the black men's support is

937
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 2: starting to crack. And there was a big article in

938
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Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal Today's edition saying that in their

939
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Speaker 2: seven state swing state poll, that is North Carolina, Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Nevada,

940
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Speaker 2: and Arizona, the seven states where this election is going

941
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Speaker 2: to be decided. Joe Biden was getting fifty seven percent

942
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: of the black mail vote, thirty percent going to Donald Trump.

943
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Speaker 2: That would represent a seismic difference from twenty twenty. And

944
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Speaker 2: if Trump were able to get thirty percent of the

945
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Speaker 2: black vote in those seven states, Donald Trump would be

946
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Speaker 2: president of the United States. So, if you want to

947
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: craft a positive narrative, I think you're going to be

948
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 2: the rain on a sunny day here, buck.

949
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Speaker 5: Do you buy it?

950
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: Do you think there is legitimacy, there is this pole accurate?

951
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: Is it going to change in the next six and

952
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 2: a half months. How do you assess the Wall Street

953
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 2: Journal data that's out today?

954
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Speaker 5: I think Clay can see the storm clouds goes.

955
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Speaker 10: Yeah.

956
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 3: I was afraid of this. I was afraid of it.

957
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 5: Go through this every four years Republicans start to believe

958
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 5: and it's always different. This time it's different, always different,

959
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 5: that there will be a greater percentage and a difference

960
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 5: making percentage. I think that's really the key, right, does

961
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Speaker 5: a shift in the black vote make a change in

962
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Speaker 5: a state or perhaps even in the entire election, so

963
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Speaker 5: that a Republican wins. We went through this last time,

964
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Speaker 5: we went through this and certainly in twenty twenty and

965
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Speaker 5: twenty sixteen, and it has no what happened. It has

966
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Speaker 5: been a remarkably durable support that the Black community gives

967
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Speaker 5: to the Democrat Party, somewhere along the lines of ninety percent, right,

968
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Speaker 5: It's basically added around ninety percent every election cycle. The

969
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Speaker 5: numbers that you're looking at, Clay and you're pointing to it. Look,

970
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Speaker 5: the Wall Street Journal is writing this piece because it

971
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Speaker 5: does seem noteworthy this time, even more perhaps than last time,

972
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Speaker 5: that there's a shift among black male support for Donald.

973
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Speaker 5: The black female vote is not expected to break for Trump. Really,

974
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Speaker 5: it's not going to move in a noticeable fashion. And

975
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Speaker 5: I think it's fair to say it is. And it

976
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Speaker 5: is not older Black men either who expected to go

977
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Speaker 5: for Trump. It is young black men are more inclined,

978
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Speaker 5: it seems, this time around, to vote Republican, vote for

979
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Speaker 5: Trump for president. And the the rationale behind this, I

980
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Speaker 5: think the reason that it has to be taken in

981
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 5: seriously as a possibility. I would not bet on it.

982
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 5: I think that's that's where the storm clouds come in.

983
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 5: I wouldn't bet I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't take

984
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 5: your mortgage money and put it down on this one. Everybody. Oh,

985
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 5: you know, Trump's gonna get thirty percent of the uh

986
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 5: you know, black mail vote, under fifty or something whatever

987
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Speaker 5: it is. I mean, I think it's.

988
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Speaker 2: I said, twenty five percent is my prediction, by the way,

989
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm super optimistic.

990
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 5: Right, let's I'm gonna write this. You know, I keep

991
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Speaker 5: a little a little journal of some of the of

992
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 5: some of the predictions on the show. So you think

993
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Speaker 5: in this election, Donald Trump will get twenty five percent

994
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 5: of the black black mail vote period not not like

995
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 5: not you know, under forty or something. Okay, yeah, five

996
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 5: market down twenty five. Reports are that he got twelve

997
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 5: percent of the blackmail vote in twenty twenty. So I'm

998
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 5: effectively saying I think he can double his blackmails, which

999
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Speaker 5: would be huge and would mean that he's basically president.

1000
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Speaker 3: He's going to be president. That if they have itself,

1001
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Speaker 3: would mean he's present.

1002
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Speaker 5: So so you're calling a shot into the upper deck here,

1003
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 5: you know, you're you're before we even before we even

1004
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 5: see the first pitch, you're calling it. You're saying it's

1005
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 5: gonna be this ball is gonna end up in the

1006
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Speaker 5: parking lot. All right, we'll see. But here's where I

1007
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 5: think it it is. Uh, there's an explanation for this

1008
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 5: other than just you know, Trump is amazing or whatever.

1009
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Speaker 5: The illegal immigration issue is so profoundly troubling right now,

1010
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 5: and it's so obvious in the major cities where you are,

1011
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 5: at cities in general where you tend to have concentrations

1012
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Speaker 5: of black voters, Uh, that I think there's a greater

1013
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 5: recognition that the resources. You see, I think it's a

1014
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 5: Denver right now is saying they're pulling police funds to

1015
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Speaker 5: pay for migrants. So so imagine now you know we

1016
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Speaker 5: were talking Memphis before. Obviously Denver is not Memphis. It's

1017
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 5: not a not a super dangerous city at all. But

1018
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 5: imagine that you live in a part of the city

1019
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 5: where you just want more, you know, you just want

1020
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 5: more public resources and public attention for what's going on,

1021
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 5: and you're finding out that migrants are getting some share

1022
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 5: of the budget that makes it impossible for you. You find

1023
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,479
Speaker 5: out that migrants are getting work permits and are being

1024
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 5: told to go and compete for jobs that you would

1025
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 5: be competing for. That I think is where you have

1026
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 5: an issue here. That's where I think I think the

1027
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 5: migrant issue may be if it is different this time around,

1028
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 5: I think that will be the primary reason it's different

1029
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 5: this time around.

1030
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Speaker 2: My thesis is that the Democrat Party has become incredibly effeminate,

1031
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of black men see that.

1032
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: I think it's why Hispanic men, Asian men, white men,

1033
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 2: white overall men are going to vote roughly sixty forty

1034
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: for the republic nominee. I mean, as we're talking about

1035
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 2: big gender gap here, and I think some of this, Hey,

1036
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 2: if you're a man and you decide to identify as

1037
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 2: a woman, BS is cutting through the noise in the

1038
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 2: black community. And there are cultural issues now that are

1039
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 2: anti masculine that I think are also registering.

1040
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Speaker 5: By the way, in this hour eight hundred two eight

1041
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Speaker 5: two two eight a two, I'm gonna do something I

1042
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 5: don't think we've done before on the show, only black callers.

1043
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 2: You are listening to us right now. You probably are

1044
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 2: open to voting for Trump. Maybe you're voting for RFK.

1045
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 2: Maybe you are a traditional Democrat who's someone like me

1046
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: and has been redpilled over time. Do you believe these

1047
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: numbers in the Wall Street Journal? I think we had

1048
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 2: Jewish callers when we were talking about how there's talk

1049
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: that the Jewish community has moved. I'm curious black callers

1050
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 2: right now, you guys are listening to us nationwide eight

1051
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 2: hundred and two eight two two eight a two.

1052
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Speaker 3: Do you buy it?

1053
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,919
Speaker 2: And I'll also say this, Buck, I think a lot

1054
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: of people are seeing through the attempt to racially divide us.

1055
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 2: This is where I have some cautious optimism when people

1056
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 2: like what be Goldberg on the view are saying Republicans

1057
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 2: want to put black people in chains. I think the

1058
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 2: arguments have gotten so outlandish that there are a lot

1059
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Speaker 2: of people saying, wait a minute, what's going on here?

1060
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Speaker 3: I think we have what p Goldberg from the view Book.

1061
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Speaker 3: Did you hear this?

1062
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Speaker 2: This is what be Goldberg saying, Republicans basically still believe

1063
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Speaker 2: in slavery.

1064
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Speaker 5: I take a.

1065
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Speaker 10: Look at the things that they're rolling back.

1066
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Speaker 5: Remember I said ages ago.

1067
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Speaker 10: You know in their minds they want to bring slavery back.

1068
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Speaker 3: They're okay with it.

1069
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Speaker 10: Because you see things change.

1070
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Speaker 7: You know.

1071
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Speaker 10: One of the good things about the Supreme Court is

1072
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Speaker 10: you can fight to make sure you make stuff better.

1073
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Speaker 10: You don't generally fight to make stuff worse and to

1074
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Speaker 10: me or to roll back.

1075
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Speaker 5: And to me, if you're okay rolling.

1076
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Speaker 10: That when things were not even a state, when we

1077
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Speaker 10: had no say.

1078
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, how's that going to roll?

1079
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Speaker 5: How's that gonna roll? What's the next thing?

1080
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Speaker 2: Republican Party ended slavery. It's pretty remarkable that what pe

1081
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Speaker 2: Goldberg would be saying, Republicans want to bring back slavery.

1082
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: But this is what Joe Biden said. Remember Joe Biden said,

1083
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Speaker 2: if you vote for the other guy, he'll put you

1084
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 2: in chains. Basically I'm paraphrasing him. I think those kind

1085
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 2: of arguments are increasingly.

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00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 3: So histrionic and absurd.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember you tell me, Buck, I don't remember

1088
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,959
Speaker 2: when Mitt Romney was running, or when George W. Bush

1089
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: was running, people saying, oh, Republican Party believes in slavery.

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00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 2: This is why I'm concerned that we've gone back in

1091
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 2: time in some ways in our race relations. But I'm

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00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 2: hopeful that this is a fringe that is actually going

1093
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 2: to be repudiated in twenty four. I you're less optimist.

1094
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 2: I think you are.

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Speaker 5: I love where your head's at before we go into

1096
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 5: the weekend, But I think Unford actually this stuff works.

1097
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:07,479
Speaker 5: The scare tactics, the fear mongering. It works. I think

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Speaker 5: that you are. You know, you've got Donald Trump, who

1099
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 5: they they have really convinced a lot of people still

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00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 5: is racist. Right, This is the That's one of the

1101
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 5: main attacks they use against Trump. I just I don't

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00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 5: see it changing in a in a dramatic way for

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00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 5: this election. If it does, clay, it is a whole election,

1104
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 5: and so you know what, it will be a real,

1105
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 5: really telling aspect of this. Do you start to see

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00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 5: the signs of Democrats being worried about their turnout or

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Speaker 5: about you know, black voters going well.

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Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journal article says that they're spending twenty

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00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 2: five million dollars the Biden campaign is specifically on black

1110
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 2: men to try to get out the vote. That's a

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00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 2: sign that they're seeing numbers that would suggest that that

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00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 2: is a problem.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember.

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Speaker 5: But they need again, they have to. The Democrat Party

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00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 5: gets ninety percent of the black voter, they lose basically.

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00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, if they get eighty percent of

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00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 5: the black vote, they lose, right, they need ninety percent,

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00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 5: especially when when you look at the states that are

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00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 5: in play for the swing states, the they're mostly the

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00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 5: states with a white population a black population are large

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Speaker 5: enough that either you know, that's what it's not. Actually,

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Speaker 5: the Latino populations are in the big ones are in California,

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Speaker 5: New York, places that they kill pack Nevada, Nevada, and

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Speaker 5: Little Vezelia.

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Speaker 3: But not east of the Mississippi problem.

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00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 5: Not none of the none of the Pennsylvania. The Latino

1127
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 5: vote is not going to make the difference. The black

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00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 5: vote can make a huge difference obviously in Michigan, a

1129
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 5: black vote can make a huge difference in well, in

1130
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 5: any in North Carolina, Pennsylvania, any number of these dates Georgia.

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00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 5: So that's why, I mean, Democrats are going to throw

1132
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 5: everything they have into this, and there's you know, it's April.

1133
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 5: I mean you're going to see a lot of a

1134
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 5: lot of dollars spent a lot of campaigning that is

1135
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 5: man to shore up the black vote for the Democrat Party.

1136
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 5: So we shall see. I don't know. I mean, I've

1137
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 5: just been through this before. We went through this with

1138
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 5: the last election. Remember Donald Trump did the First Step

1139
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 5: Act and which was ill advised. I'm just gonna say

1140
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 5: it was not a good move. I would now in

1141
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 5: retrospect it's easier to say that, but Donald Trump did

1142
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Speaker 5: the First Step Act, and this was thought that he

1143
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Speaker 5: would remember in You know, Kim Kardashian and I didn't

1144
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Speaker 5: Kanye go to the Oval office too?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Kanye was there.

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Speaker 2: Now, this is why my my one fear on this

1147
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 2: is George Floyd happened in May of twenty twenty, in

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1149
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Speaker 2: don't have the BLM pop, what is the impact then?

1150
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Speaker 2: And I will say if you look at the data,

1151
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: and I'm surprised more people don't talk about this. The

1152
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 2: black turnout was not very good for Joe Biden in Milwaukee,

1153
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh, in Philadelphia, in Fulton County, Atlanta.

1154
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 5: Like again, people don't spend enough time on this.

1155
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 2: Trump lost because of suburban white voters.

1156
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 3: The black vote was not very good for Biden in

1157
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 3: twenty twenty.

1158
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Speaker 5: So so Trump got twelve percent, You think he'll get

1159
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 5: twenty five percent? If what what's our we gotta I

1160
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Speaker 5: don't know, man, we got We'll do like a barbecue

1161
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Speaker 5: bet or something. We gotta figure out something here, steak bet.

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Speaker 5: You know what, We'll pick a city where we need

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Speaker 2: By the way, eight hundred and two two eight a

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Speaker 2: two you can weigh in. Uh, it's a good idea.

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Speaker 2: I just don't want like that.

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Speaker 5: I just don't want to keep eating steaks like I'll

1169
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Speaker 5: do Chinese food, I'll do uh Italian like you know,

1170
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna be eating all these steaks from Clay courtesy

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Speaker 5: of the Clay Travis Fund. I'm telling you the uh,

1172
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Speaker 5: you know you I'd have to. I have to give

1173
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Speaker 5: you odds. You you're the bet that you're taking to

1174
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Speaker 5: be fair, and really we need to figure this out.

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Speaker 5: I think the Vegas I should get like three steaks

1176
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Speaker 5: to your one yes, because because I'm telling you, I've

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Speaker 5: I've heard some version of this. Ever since I cast

1178
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Speaker 5: my first vote in two thousand for George W. Bush,

1179
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Speaker 5: I've heard some version of this. The black vote's gonna

1180
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Speaker 5: the Black votes getting more conservative, and I would love it.

1181
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Speaker 5: I would do backflips. It would be amazing. It would

1182
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Speaker 5: crush the Democrat coalition. I would love it if we

1183
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 5: would get eighty percent of the Black vote. That would

1184
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Speaker 5: be phenomenal. So I'm hopeful, but I would give you

1185
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Speaker 5: three to one odds you're wrong all.

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Speaker 2: Right, we'll talk about it more. We'll take some of

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