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Speaker 2: last night, I had two costumes. I was Harry Potter
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Speaker 2: to the program Our two. Jason Garrett, former Cowboys head
Speaker 2: coach now working for NBC Football Night in America, will
Speaker 2: stop by our good buddy. Pat Forty from Sports Illustrated
Speaker 2: covering college football. You had the initial college football rankings
Speaker 2: that came out last night. In surprise, surprise, Ohio State's
Speaker 2: the number one team in the country. But we're more
Speaker 2: interested in Michigan and what's happening with Jim Harbaugh. It's
Speaker 2: like it's kind of vague, but it feels like it's
Speaker 2: vaguely serious. But social media is keeping this alive. And
Speaker 2: as I told you when this first started, the College
Speaker 2: Football Playoff Committee does not care about Jim Harbaugh and
Speaker 2: the so called spygate. This will be about the Big
Speaker 2: Ten and the NCAA, not the college football playoffs. Eight
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Speaker 2: before we bring in Jason Garrett Seaton. Let me just
Speaker 2: hit hour one real quickly. Who had the best week
Speaker 2: so far? Right now?
Speaker 3: It's tied between the seventy six ers and the forty
Speaker 3: nine ers at about thirty percent, followed closely at twenty
Speaker 3: four percent by the Raiders.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they had a great week, and
Speaker 2: I don't know how good this job is. Let me
Speaker 2: start there with Jason Garrett, former Cowboys head coach. He's
Speaker 2: on Football Night in America, also an analyst for Notre
Speaker 2: Dame Football. Good morning, Jason. How attractive is that Raiders
Speaker 2: job to you? With that roster they have right now?
Speaker 1: Well, Dan, there's only thirty two of these jobs. So
Speaker 1: they're attractive, and you know, they're certainly going through a
Speaker 1: little bit of a challenging time. And anytime you have
Speaker 1: a regime and then you have a new regime and
Speaker 1: there's there's transition within that, it's more challenging because they're
Speaker 1: turning it over and they've made some of these decisions
Speaker 1: and now they haven't had a chance to finish. And
Speaker 1: now a new guy comes in and he wants to
Speaker 1: have a plan. So I think that's part of it.
Speaker 1: But I do think it's a good starting point to
Speaker 1: have a guy like Devonte Adams. You have a playmaker
Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball, you got Josh Jacobs,
Speaker 1: you got you got some weapons over there that you
Speaker 1: certainly can build around, you know. And and you know,
Speaker 1: I worked for Nick Saban for a couple of years
Speaker 1: and he used to always talk about relative to what,
Speaker 1: and so as a quarterback, you say, hey, we got
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, and some people say, hey, he's not Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: he's not Joe Burrow, But relative to what, there are
Speaker 1: a lot of teams that would like to have Jimmy
Speaker 1: Garoppolo as their quarterback. And so you know, I think
Speaker 1: there are some pieces of place there on the offensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball, and I think the guy who
Speaker 1: gets a chance to go in there, hopefully he gets
Speaker 1: a chance to have some impact on building the team
Speaker 1: the way he wants to build it. But there's some
Speaker 1: cornerstone pieces there that you like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Max Crosby is also there. He almost fits
Speaker 2: that image of the old Raiders. But I just I
Speaker 2: wonder Jimmy Garoppolo is not there for the long haul.
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams contract is crazy after this year, Josh Jacobs,
Speaker 2: you have him for a little while, and they have
Speaker 2: the seventh pick in the draft, Like, is that something
Speaker 2: that would entice somebody who already has a good job,
Speaker 2: let's say in college, that they would want to coach
Speaker 2: the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if they have a desire to coach in the NFL. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And then the devil's in the details over how much
Speaker 1: say they have to build their kind of program. And
Speaker 1: I'm remiss and not mentioning Max Crosby. He's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite players in football. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell is a good example up in Detroit of
Speaker 1: a guy who had an opportunity to go in there.
Speaker 1: And they're building the team the way he wants to
Speaker 1: build it. And so I think any job in the NFL,
Speaker 1: if you have the opportunity to do that and you
Speaker 1: have a little time to do that, is attractive and
Speaker 1: you build it in the image that you want. And
Speaker 1: Max Crosby being a cornerstone piece I think would fit
Speaker 1: that bill for the Raiders. So you know, you dive
Speaker 1: in and you go. The obvious challenge is you're in
Speaker 1: the same division as the Chiefs and all of that,
Speaker 1: but hell, they're thirty two of them, and you know
Speaker 1: it's the heck of an opportunity for somebody.
Speaker 2: How involved is the coach at the trade deadline?
Speaker 1: I think it depends on the building.
Speaker 2: How involved were you certainly involved in the discussions.
Speaker 1: You know, I thought the communication that we had when
Speaker 1: we were at our best in Dallas was really good,
Speaker 1: you know, leading up to the draft, leading up to
Speaker 1: free agency, and then certainly throughout the trade deadline.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, we traded for Amari Cooper one year and
Speaker 1: that wasn't right up against the trade deadline, but it was,
Speaker 1: you know, we needed a player at that position, and
Speaker 1: we had we had extensive discussions about who that player was,
Speaker 1: and eventually he became available and he made a huge
Speaker 1: difference on our team.
Speaker 2: Have you ever said I don't I don't want to
Speaker 2: trade for that guy.
Speaker 1: Certainly yes, and you have healthy discussions. I don't want
Speaker 1: to sign that guy, I don't want to trade for
Speaker 1: that guy. I don't want to draft that guy. But uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a collaborative effort. The personnel people in
Speaker 1: the really good organizations are really good at what they do.
Speaker 1: So it's the job of the head coach to constantly
Speaker 1: provide the vision for the football team and then if
Speaker 1: you have good communication, you say, does this decision fit
Speaker 1: that vision? And the teams that are aligned that way
Speaker 1: on a consistent basis and acquiring players are the ones
Speaker 1: that play at the end of the year.
Speaker 2: Talking to Jason Garrett Football Night in America studio analyst,
Speaker 2: also an analyst for Notre Dame Football, Help me understand
Speaker 2: what Dabo Sweeney was railing against a caller on his
Speaker 2: radio show? Is he I thought it was maybe a
Speaker 2: bigger picture where it's like the manager who tells the
Speaker 2: umpire throw me out because I want my team to
Speaker 2: get fired up. You got Notre Dame coming to town.
Speaker 2: And it almost felt like, you know, stop, you know,
Speaker 2: pressing me to be what I once was or whatever.
Speaker 2: But he also wants fire up his team against Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: They're underdogs at home against Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's probably a pretty good on it.
Speaker 1: You know, he he's been so good if you look
Speaker 1: at what that program has done. I mean he's been
Speaker 1: so good for such a long time. Uh, and not
Speaker 1: only winning games and going to the championship game and
Speaker 1: all of that, but you know, developing and developing players.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, I love Dabbo. I'm a huge fan. We
Speaker 1: had a chance to do the Notre Dame Clemson game
Speaker 1: last year and just just getting a more intimate glimpse
Speaker 1: of that program, I'm so I'm so impressed. And you know,
Speaker 1: there's obvious frustration there and you have so much success
Speaker 1: for a long time and then they're not what they
Speaker 1: were this year. I'm sure he's feeling some of that,
Speaker 1: but you know, I think people need to step back
Speaker 1: and see what he's done and not only the wins,
Speaker 1: but the impact he's had. And you know, there's a
Speaker 1: good story about Dabbo. You know, when you're a head
Speaker 1: coach in the NFL. Leading up to the draft, you
Speaker 1: call all your guys in college football and say, hey,
Speaker 1: tell me about your guys. And for years conversations with
Speaker 1: Nick Saban or other guys, they've had so many players,
Speaker 1: and so you try to figure out the evaluation. I
Speaker 1: worked for Nick for two years. I understood how he
Speaker 1: talked about players, and he loves certain guys. It's one line,
Speaker 1: just take the guy, you know, if he has truble,
Speaker 1: if he has trouble with guys. He kind of beats
Speaker 1: around the bush a little bit and says, hey, if
Speaker 1: you have a good structure in place, if you have
Speaker 1: a really good structure in place, this guy can be
Speaker 1: successful for you.
Speaker 2: Who is the guy that he just said, just take him?
Speaker 1: Oh, there's so many guys that you know, Jonathan Allen,
Speaker 1: I remember Jonathan Allen. Just take the guy he's gonna
Speaker 1: play for, you know, And he's right. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was just such an easy evaluation. But you know, when
Speaker 1: you talk to Dabbo, you have to decipher the guys
Speaker 1: because every guy is great, every guy is incredible, every
Speaker 1: guy you know, and then you could figure out the
Speaker 1: system to say, Okay, this guy's really better than this
Speaker 1: guy and you'll work your way through it. But I
Speaker 1: bring that up to say that he's had such a
Speaker 1: positive impact on so many people on football. He has
Speaker 1: such great enthusiasm. So to see him front spread like this,
Speaker 1: I get it. I hope he gets his own spirit
Speaker 1: back because it's a really good thing for all of us.
Speaker 2: If you ran the Jets, do you want Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 2: back this season?
Speaker 1: To me, it's a health It's just simply a healthy.
Speaker 2: Let's say he's healthy, he's cleared. They'd say there's two
Speaker 2: or three games left, got a chance for the playoffs?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 1: This guy's one of the greatest ones that ever walked,
Speaker 1: you know, and to give him a chance to play,
Speaker 1: is he the same player that he was ten years ago?
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but he's one of the
Speaker 1: best players in football. And if you could get him
Speaker 1: back and he is truly.
Speaker 2: Healthy, But you're risking next season. What's that you're risking
Speaker 2: next season? Aren't you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? I mean, And to me, that's the question.
Speaker 1: You know, some guys get the competitive spirit going and said,
Speaker 1: I'm going to beat the timeline. I got an ACL
Speaker 1: but I'm going to come back in eight months. I'm
Speaker 1: going to come back in And I have a healthy
Speaker 1: respect for injuries and making sure that you give guys
Speaker 1: plenty of time. And that comes from experience of maybe
Speaker 1: allowing a guy to come back earlier than he should have.
Speaker 1: And because we're all competitive, we all want the guy
Speaker 1: out there, and he's shown you in practice, So I
Speaker 1: would be a little concerned about rushing this because just
Speaker 1: the nature of that injury. But if the question is
Speaker 1: he completely healthy, absolutely, you wanted to play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I'm trying to understand Deshaun Watson when he's
Speaker 2: medically cleared and then they say that he didn't want
Speaker 2: to play. How does that happen that you're medically cleared
Speaker 2: but then he doesn't play well.
Speaker 1: Every injury situation is unique in and of itself, and
Speaker 1: as a head coach, it's one of the hardest things
Speaker 1: you have to manage. And and you know, I think,
Speaker 1: without speaking specifically about him, because I'm not in the conversations,
Speaker 1: when you have a little issue like that, you really
Speaker 1: got to get to the bottom of it and and
Speaker 1: figure out the why of that, and and it takes
Speaker 1: constant conversation, and you know, some guys have a little
Speaker 1: bit of a track mentality in that they need everything
Speaker 1: to be perfect. Some guys are mutters, Hey, I'm fine,
Speaker 1: they tape it up, spit on it. Let's get going.
Speaker 1: We can I can go play. And so again I'm
Speaker 1: not speaking specifically to Deshaun, but that's that's that's a
Speaker 1: spectrum that you get on and you say, okay, can
Speaker 1: he play without everything being perfect? You know? And so
Speaker 1: you got to work through those and they're challenging, they
Speaker 1: really are. Ultimately, it's a collaborative effort. It's players input
Speaker 1: along with doctors and trainers and and as a head coach,
Speaker 1: you just try to manage it best you can.
Speaker 2: All Right, you need to make a choice here on
Speaker 2: your quarterback Sunday night, Ben Bills, you were the head coach,
Speaker 2: You're starting with Josh Allen or Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: You're always ask these questions.
Speaker 2: Yes, I do, Brady, who you taking Josh Allen Joe Burrow?
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow goes to San Francisco and doesn't throw an
Speaker 1: incomplete pass. He's phenomenal, and you're asking me this question.
Speaker 1: I love them both, obviously, who doesn't. They're both great
Speaker 1: and they're going to be great players for the next
Speaker 1: ten years, they have chances to be Hall of Famers.
Speaker 5: All of that.
Speaker 1: I love Josh Allen. I don't like him, I love him.
Speaker 1: I love him. I love his competitive spirit. You know,
Speaker 1: someone once told me that it took thirteen people to
Speaker 1: get secretaried in the gates before he won by thirty
Speaker 1: three lens. You know, Josh Allen reminds me of that.
Speaker 1: He reminds me of this incredible player that you just
Speaker 1: have to constantly make sure we get him in the
Speaker 1: gates and let him go.
Speaker 2: So when they do this running late, he's running less,
Speaker 2: But is he running smarter?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And to me, it's the secretary of analogy is
Speaker 1: not necessarily his running. It's just his you know, I'm
Speaker 1: going to go make the play. I'm going to put
Speaker 1: the city of Buffalo on my shoulders and I'm going
Speaker 1: to go do it. And experience tells me that over
Speaker 1: a seventeen game season in the NFL, that doesn't work.
Speaker 1: So when they're at their best, it's collaborative. Everybody's there's
Speaker 1: a piece of it. He's certainly the focal point. And
Speaker 1: so if he does that on a consistent basis and
Speaker 1: continues to learn how to do that, and they build
Speaker 1: the team that way. I love him to death. His
Speaker 1: competitive spirit is rare for me. But the other guy's
Speaker 1: off the charts. I mean, Joe cool is something else.
Speaker 2: I think you answered it.
Speaker 1: I did, but by a nose. I'd take Josh Allen.
Speaker 2: Okay, back again to secretariat where you did. You didn't
Speaker 2: have to worry about when news. Hey great to talk to.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 2: Have fun on Sunday, Bill's Bengals on NBC and Peacock
Speaker 2: that'll start at to seven Eastern Football Night in America.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jason, Thanks Dan.
Speaker 1: I always enjoy it, all right.
Speaker 2: Uh, you got to put him on the hot seat
Speaker 2: every time he comes on, right, you just you don't
Speaker 2: let him know what hot seat? What seed is going
Speaker 2: to be warm?
Speaker 5: There? All right?
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Speaker 2: Brady giving advice to Josh Allen.
Speaker 6: I think sometimes he gets used and he wants to
Speaker 6: run it because he knows he can gain yards there's
Speaker 6: a lot of confidence in it. But the only problem is,
Speaker 6: from my standpoint, you're putting yourself in harm's way. And
Speaker 6: when you put yourself in harm's way, it doesn't take
Speaker 6: much for someone to land on you, you know, to
Speaker 6: set you back. And I would love to see Josh
Speaker 6: save those from very special moments and special case asians
Speaker 6: to run the ball rather than to run the ball
Speaker 6: six minutes into the game on a on a second
Speaker 6: and six, you know, and not that he shouldn't run,
Speaker 6: but when he does run, slide and make sure no
Speaker 6: one hits you, because I don't want to see him ever,
Speaker 6: you know, get hurt. And I want to see him
Speaker 6: out there playing every week because he's such a he's
Speaker 6: such a dud.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can change though. It's like
Speaker 2: Cam Newton when we watched him, we're like man. When
Speaker 2: he's great, he is, there's nobody like him, and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you start to take those hits
Speaker 2: and then eventually he's out of the league at an
Speaker 2: early age, thirty two to thirty three.
Speaker 7: Yeah, pulling In twenty twenty two, Josh Allen attempted eight
Speaker 7: rushes per game this year. He's down to four point
Speaker 7: five rushing attests for per game. That's down almost fifty percent.
Speaker 7: The hits are different, but he's never run for less
Speaker 7: than six times a game in his career, so this
Speaker 7: is by far the lowest.
Speaker 2: Of his career.
Speaker 7: But there's no sliding going on.
Speaker 2: I think that he's second on the all time list
Speaker 2: with rushing touchdowns for a quarterback. I think Cam has
Speaker 2: seventy five and I think Josh has forty five.
Speaker 7: Josh has forty three, forty three and and you know, half,
Speaker 7: not even half of a career.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what if he ends up with eighty eighty rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 2: By the way, Josh Allen did respond to Tom Brady,
Speaker 2: and he had this to say.
Speaker 8: I'm not saying that he's wrong, but you could get
Speaker 8: hurt in the pocket just as much as you can
Speaker 8: outside the pocket.
Speaker 1: That's the only caveat that I have for that.
Speaker 5: You gotta go win a football game.
Speaker 8: And sometimes it calls upon me doing something of putting
Speaker 8: my body on the line for my teammates, because how
Speaker 8: much I do love my teammates, and how much you know,
Speaker 8: I see them working their tails off too, so I
Speaker 8: gotta give them everything that I have when I'm on
Speaker 8: the football field. And that's where the flip for me
Speaker 8: is so hard to turn off is because I just
Speaker 8: hear so much about winning football games that sometimes it does,
Speaker 8: you know, cost the riffs to be a little bit
Speaker 8: higher than eating the role.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: See, I can respect your toughness, but I have to
Speaker 2: respect your intelligence where you pick your spots there And
Speaker 2: what Brady is saying, second and six in the first quarter, Okay,
Speaker 2: are you going to take on two defenders second and
Speaker 2: six in the fourth quarter final two minutes? Then I
Speaker 2: understand that because you can say I want to play
Speaker 2: hard because my teammates are playing hard. They need you
Speaker 2: to be in the game, so you can't get hurt.
Speaker 2: If they get hurt, you can still survive. If you
Speaker 2: get hurt, it's over. And that's the difference here. All right,
Speaker 2: let me take a break. Should Ohio State be the
Speaker 2: number one ranked team in the country, And is Michigan
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Speaker 2: That's Peacock here comes Saturday night. First playoff rankings came out,
Speaker 2: and surprise, surprise at least, I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people were surprised. Ohio State at the top of the heap,
Speaker 2: and George's in there, Michigan's in there. Pat Forty from
Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated joining us, the senior writer for Sports Illustrated.
Speaker 2: What's the committee telling us about those rankings?
Speaker 9: Well, I think they did value Ohio State's big victories
Speaker 9: over Notre Dame and Penn State.
Speaker 5: But the other thing they're telling me, Dan.
Speaker 9: Is that they basically just slaughted everybody by how many
Speaker 9: losses you have. The top five are all undefeated. They're
Speaker 9: the undefeated ones in the Power five conferences. The next
Speaker 9: eight are the eight one loss teams in Power five conferences,
Speaker 9: and then you get to the two loss teams, So
Speaker 9: strength to schedule as of now is less important than
Speaker 9: how many times you've lost.
Speaker 2: Give me the one loss team you think that has
Speaker 2: the best chance of being in the final four.
Speaker 9: I think Oregon because I like their chances to win
Speaker 9: a rematch with Washington or whoever they may face in
Speaker 9: the PAC twelve Championship game. Three point loss on the
Speaker 9: road wild atmosphere kind of gave the game away.
Speaker 5: They've looked great since then.
Speaker 9: They're gonna play some real high quality games here down
Speaker 9: the stretch, so I think there's strength to schedule going
Speaker 9: to be there, and if they get in with one
Speaker 9: loss to the Clubhouse at twelve and one, I think
Speaker 9: they can make the playoff.
Speaker 2: What's the knock on Georgia, And maybe it's not a
Speaker 2: big knock. They are second in the country, but first
Speaker 2: half of the season not formidable, consistently formidable.
Speaker 5: I think two things.
Speaker 9: They didn't play very many good teams, you know, just
Speaker 9: not a good non conference schedule, and then Kentucky was
Speaker 9: the only ring team they played. They wiped the field
Speaker 9: with Kentucky, and now Kentucky doesn't look that good. So
Speaker 9: there's not that much on the resume yet. And then yeah,
Speaker 9: they were not. They kind of slept walk through some
Speaker 9: of those games early. But now the schedule is gonna
Speaker 9: ramp up considerably. They're playing ranked teams the next three
Speaker 9: weeks in a row, Missouri, Mississippi, Tennessee, and then you're
Speaker 9: looking at an SEC championship game, probably against Alabama, maybe LSU.
Speaker 9: So their strength of schedule will be there. I think
Speaker 9: if they keep winning, they will pass Ohio State, but
Speaker 9: maybe not in the end. After Ohio State plays Michigan,
Speaker 9: we'll see what happens there.
Speaker 2: Give me the team that is undefeated that will be
Speaker 2: the first to have a loss. Of those undefeated, I think.
Speaker 9: Keep an eye on Washington there. Good team had a
Speaker 9: great season, but they've struggled of late in the schedule. Wow,
Speaker 9: these next three weeks really tough, all playing ranked teams,
Speaker 9: two of the three on the road, and if they
Speaker 9: play those teams the way they played Arizona State and Stanford,
Speaker 9: they're gonna lose at least once, if not twice.
Speaker 2: In that section, what's dabo'swy saying in that rant that
Speaker 2: he had on his radio show, whether it's to the
Speaker 2: fan base, to his players alumni, You're lucky to have me,
Speaker 2: is what he is saying.
Speaker 9: I don't think there's any doubt about that that he
Speaker 9: feels that way. I think he's also he may not
Speaker 9: say it out loud, but he wishes it was nineteen
Speaker 9: ninety two, you know, where players didn't get paid and
Speaker 9: they won this crazy transfer portal and YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 9: But that's the way it is. And he hasn't adapted
Speaker 9: well at all. That's what he's going to have to do.
Speaker 9: He's gonna have to modernize his modernize his program, modernize
Speaker 9: his approach. But that was very much a you need
Speaker 9: to appreciate me for what I've done. This is Clemson
Speaker 9: and I won two national titles. Let's have a little respect.
Speaker 2: Can Caleb Williams How does he play himself back into
Speaker 2: the Heisman picture?
Speaker 9: Well, he's got some good opportunities starting this week. I mean,
Speaker 9: him against Michael Pennix is going to be a big
Speaker 9: time game. And then they've got you know, they've still
Speaker 9: got Oregon State on the schedule. I belie theyve got
Speaker 9: UCLA at the end.
Speaker 5: There. He's got some high profile opportunities.
Speaker 9: They've just they got to win the games and he's
Speaker 9: got to play great and to win the games, you're
Speaker 9: gonna have to make your make sure your defense is
Speaker 9: something other than horrible, which the number of points they've
Speaker 9: given them their last five games is the most in
Speaker 9: a five game stretch in USC history.
Speaker 5: It's that bad.
Speaker 2: But I was wondering at the start of the season.
Speaker 2: I knew the defense wasn't going to be good. I
Speaker 2: didn't know they'd be this bad. But he was always
Speaker 2: going to have to stay in the game because they
Speaker 2: needed to score. Therefore he was going to put up
Speaker 2: big numbers. I just didn't realize that they're an average team.
Speaker 2: They have a you know, obviously a great quarterback, but
Speaker 2: the team seems average.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean defensively they are not good.
Speaker 9: The offensive line leaky, you know, running backs are just
Speaker 9: kind of pedestrian, and they've got good receivers. And the
Speaker 9: other thing too, I feel like watching Caleb that he's
Speaker 9: almost trying to make this spectacular play all the time
Speaker 9: instead of just making plays.
Speaker 5: And you know, we've all watched quarterbacks long enough.
Speaker 9: Tom Brady didn't make that many spectacular plays, but he
Speaker 9: made the right play all the time and they won
Speaker 9: all the time because of it.
Speaker 2: We're talking to Pat forty, the senior writer Sports Illustrated
Speaker 2: covering college football. Where are we with the Michigan story?
Speaker 9: It's just that, you know, the daily gift. I mean,
Speaker 9: what's it going to be under the tree today? And
Speaker 9: we'll see. But the Central Michigan angle now is fascinating.
Speaker 9: The maybe probably Connor Stallions was on the sideline for
Speaker 9: the Central Michigan home or away opener at Michigan State.
Speaker 9: Jim mcelwaye, the Central Michigan coach last night, referred to
Speaker 9: him as the sigin stealing guy. They haven't admitted that
Speaker 9: he was there, but it's clear it was him.
Speaker 2: But is he in disguise as well as like Bobby
Speaker 2: Valentine being in the dugout when he got thrown out
Speaker 2: of a game in disguise? So this guy, he's got
Speaker 2: a Central Michigan hat on, and does he have a
Speaker 2: mustache or glasses?
Speaker 9: He's got to, you know, go tee. But he's got
Speaker 9: to wearing sunglasses. It was a night game. He's wearing sunglasses.
Speaker 9: He's got the Central Michigan coaching garb on. How did
Speaker 9: he know what they were going to wear? Where did
Speaker 9: he get the bench pass from? You can't tell me.
Speaker 9: I'm unconvinced that Central Michigan has no idea how this happened,
Speaker 9: let's put it that way.
Speaker 2: But how much trouble is Michigan and Jim Harball in.
Speaker 9: I don't think Michigan. I don't think Jim Harbaugh is
Speaker 9: in trouble yet for this. He's in trouble for the
Speaker 9: other investigation. Yeah, you know, there hasn't been anything tying
Speaker 9: this to him as of yet. The question from an
Speaker 9: NC double A standpoint is you start piling up various
Speaker 9: level one violations and there's a strict liability rule now
Speaker 9: that he could get hit for, but that's next year. Like,
Speaker 9: if you want to go win the national title this year,
Speaker 9: it's going to be impossible for the NC douablea to
Speaker 9: touch them. I don't think the Big ten has a
Speaker 9: whole lot of interest in doing it. Michigan itself certainly
Speaker 9: doesn't have any interest in penalizing itself at this point,
Speaker 9: and I think that there's definitely efforts underway to paint
Speaker 9: this as just way, Hey, we got a psychopath on
Speaker 9: the staff that was doing this stuff himself, and that
Speaker 9: may be the truth. I don't know, but we've got
Speaker 9: to find that out. But right now it's Connor Stallions
Speaker 9: on an island in disguise, looking, you know, trying to
Speaker 9: do who knows what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but why would you do this? You want acknowledgment
Speaker 2: from Jim Harball. You want to prove your worth to him.
Speaker 2: You're trying to be on the coaching staff, you want
Speaker 2: to be elevated. It doesn't make sense. Is somebody's going
Speaker 2: to go rogue and they're probably going to paint him
Speaker 2: like he was a rogue employee. Well he was given
Speaker 2: the information to somebody.
Speaker 9: Yeah, right, absolutely, no, I say, like, that's my question.
Speaker 9: Did the rest of the Michigan staff have no curiosity
Speaker 9: at all about where Connor Stillions was getting his sign
Speaker 9: stealing information? Like it's just hey, good stuff, Connor Common?
Speaker 9: Or was it hey, how are you doing this?
Speaker 5: The other thing, he's pretty proud of himself.
Speaker 9: He used to be on social media and with his
Speaker 9: friends and everything talking about what he was doing as
Speaker 9: far as you know, work for Michigan and everything.
Speaker 5: Do we really think that.
Speaker 9: He wasn't bragging like, hey, you know around the building,
Speaker 9: look what I got. I mean, we don't have the
Speaker 9: proof of that, but human nature tells me that This
Speaker 9: guy was probably talking to somebody about you're not going
Speaker 9: to believe the stuff I'm coming up with on Ohio State,
Speaker 9: on Penn State, on Michigan State.
Speaker 2: Will this affect the quarterback JJ McCarthy's Heisman candidacy? That is,
Speaker 2: I don't think an unfair advantage.
Speaker 1: Right right?
Speaker 9: I don't think so, But you know, I mean, the
Speaker 9: Heisman Trophy has been called like the Nobel Peace Prize
Speaker 9: of football, you know, where you everything has to be
Speaker 9: virtuous and lovely and wonderful. And there's a lot of
Speaker 9: stuff going on around.
Speaker 5: Michigan right now.
Speaker 9: You know, we'll see how they play the rest of
Speaker 9: the way, but I don't anticipate that becoming a voter issue.
Speaker 2: The last year of the current college playoff format. How's
Speaker 2: the regular season next year going to be affected?
Speaker 9: It's gonna be this season on Rocket Fuel. It's gonna
Speaker 9: be fantastic. At this time. Instead of having five unbeatens
Speaker 9: and you know, eight one loss teams we're looking at
Speaker 9: and really probably only like three one loss teams, we're
Speaker 9: gonna be looking at like twenty twenty five teams that
Speaker 9: are gonna still have a chance to get into the playoff.
Speaker 9: And so I think the excitement level for all the
Speaker 9: fans is going to be more widespread. There's gonna be
Speaker 9: more speculation, more drama of hey, you got to win
Speaker 9: this game to stay in playoff contention. Now, on the
Speaker 9: other side of it, the top teams will be able
Speaker 9: to lose a game. There's less at stake in individual games.
Speaker 9: You're gonna be able to lose and still get into
Speaker 9: the playoff. But I think there's just gonna be more
Speaker 9: excitement for more fan bases nationwide.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I remember when this came out and
Speaker 2: there were some analysts said this is bad for college football,
Speaker 2: and I go, no, you got more teams and the
Speaker 2: games in November are going to be meaningful, you know that,
Speaker 2: and maybe incept like your schedule and how you treat
Speaker 2: that if you have a loss, When you have a loss,
Speaker 2: two losses, can you still get in? I could a
Speaker 2: three loss team get in? I think brings in more
Speaker 2: fan bases for a longer period of time, and you know,
Speaker 2: maybe these bowl games actually mean something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 9: I mean I think that that there's just gonna be
Speaker 9: a lot of fascination with how this thing unfolds. And yeah,
Speaker 9: fans are going to be I think, eating up the
Speaker 9: you know, the mock brackets and how they look just
Speaker 9: like they do in college basketball. And so there's just
Speaker 9: more involvement, more at stake for more teams. And yeah,
Speaker 9: people are gonna be sweating through all these games in November.
Speaker 9: Instead of you know, just narrowing your focus, yeah, to
Speaker 9: a small number, it's gonna be a much wider number.
Speaker 9: And then when we get campus games in those first
Speaker 9: round of playoffs, I think it's going to be fantastic, unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you, Pat, thanks for joining us,
Speaker 2: my pleasure, Dan, thank you, Pad forty Sports Illustrated. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's wonderful. I think the regular season, you know,
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people said all the games
Speaker 2: aren't going to mean as much. I think there's gonna
Speaker 2: be more games that mean more.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's kind of like to me, like I equate
Speaker 3: it to who really cares about winning the Pennant when
Speaker 3: you want to win the World Series?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Is winning the Big Ten now? Is that a big deal?
Speaker 3: Or is like, well we can lose the Big Ten?
Speaker 3: Who cares about that? You want to win the national Championship? Right,
Speaker 3: you want to get to the thing that say, like
Speaker 3: what Pat was kind of talking about, right, he was
Speaker 3: just like, yeah, people are going to be eating up
Speaker 3: all the rankings and the mock drafts and all the
Speaker 3: mock stuff or whatever, like that's his business. It's going
Speaker 3: to be great for his business. It's great for our business,
Speaker 3: there's no doubt about that. But I don't know necessarily that.
Speaker 2: But if you're a fan base and your team is
Speaker 2: let's say twenty second right now, how about Missouri at
Speaker 2: Georgia this week now, Now that I mean, that's a
Speaker 2: really big game for them. They have to win that
Speaker 2: kind of game. If we had next year's format, then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're like, even if we lose
Speaker 2: to Georgia, hey we're still in this. You know, go
Speaker 2: down to the twenty second ranked team, they still have
Speaker 2: a chance here twenty thirty, you know, twenty four, twenty
Speaker 2: fifth ranked team. A couple of wins, you move up.
Speaker 2: Now you're in the mix there, Yeah, Pauline, Yeah.
Speaker 7: I've got the schedule this weekend and it bears that out.
Speaker 7: Oklahoma is nine, Oklahoma State's twenty two. They beat Oklahoma,
Speaker 7: that they're right back in the thicke of things for
Speaker 7: a late playoff spot.
Speaker 2: You look at in next year's format.
Speaker 7: Right, next year's format, Washington USC USC is not really
Speaker 7: playing for anything more. Next year they'd be playing to
Speaker 7: get back in it. Oregon State is ranked sixteen, UCLA's
Speaker 7: ranked nineteen. All these games would matter. I think, what
Speaker 7: is the other game? A and m at old Miss?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, miss, you're trading some games that matter for them,
Speaker 3: but then discounting the ones that didn't matter. Those two
Speaker 3: losses don't matter now, well, USC, they do, No, they don't.
Speaker 3: We just said that they're still right in it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they would be. They would get
Speaker 2: in the top twelve. They still have to win the
Speaker 2: Pac twelve. Yeah, but they're still right in it now.
Speaker 2: The two losses didn't matter, it would because then they'd
Speaker 2: be in the Big Ten and they would be playing
Speaker 2: in a conference championship. So next year at this time,
Speaker 2: if they had that record, Ohio State and Michigan are undefeated,
Speaker 2: so they wouldn't have a chance. This year they might
Speaker 2: if we had twelve teams, but next year in a
Speaker 2: new conference probably won't matter. All right, we'll get some
Speaker 2: phone calls here, Gary and Santa Maria, Hi, Gary, Hey,
Speaker 2: are you doing?
Speaker 1: Dan?
Speaker 4: Five eleven and a husky two thirty husky?
Speaker 1: Hey.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say.
Speaker 4: When I lived in Michigan too, the night before Halloween
Speaker 4: was called Devil's Night, and Fritzy was to the show yesterday?
Speaker 4: What Garoppolo was to the game Monday night?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 2: Wow, a little harsh, yeah, accurate, harsh Yeah, Well you
Speaker 2: pooh poohed Halloween. Did you have a good night?
Speaker 10: I did have a good night. We had a lot
Speaker 10: of kids coming over it. It was actually a lot
Speaker 10: of fun.
Speaker 2: Did you yell at anybody any older kids?
Speaker 5: I didn't yell at anybody.
Speaker 10: But it was a came walking into the house for
Speaker 10: some reason, and his older brother said, Billy, we don't
Speaker 10: just walk into people's houses.
Speaker 11: What are you doing.
Speaker 10: It was just a cute little moment, his little blond kid,
Speaker 10: he must have been six years old. And I opened
Speaker 10: the door and I'm going to give him the candy
Speaker 10: they stick their bags at trick or Try. He just
Speaker 10: keme walking into the house and he's looking around and
Speaker 10: looking up at the chandelier. It's really warm in here.
Speaker 10: And his brother, Billy, you know, just walk into people's houses.
Speaker 6: Like that.
Speaker 10: It's a cute little moment. Okay, just wandering around the
Speaker 10: inside like my living room.
Speaker 2: All right, but you did, okay Daniell today, but no kit.
Speaker 10: Cats, three Musketeers, Twiss Milky ways. Everybody was happy and
Speaker 10: it was some cute costumes.
Speaker 5: Was great.
Speaker 10: Yeah, little kids.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you should have taken a kid down, put him
Speaker 7: like a half Nelson and teach them you can't walk
Speaker 7: into stranger's houses.
Speaker 10: This guy couldn't believe this kid just kind of waltzed
Speaker 10: in there. But it was funny. This older brother kind
Speaker 10: of at least new enough to say, you're not supposed.
Speaker 2: To do that. Let's take a break here. We'll get
Speaker 2: more phone calls as well. Ian Rappaport will join us
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Speaker 2: the trade deadline. Also Tom Brady's involvement in the Raiders.
Speaker 2: When is he going to be a part owner and
Speaker 2: how involved is he going to be with the Raiders.
Speaker 2: We'll have that for you coming up as well. Back
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Speaker 2: catch all of the action. I had some phone calls here.
Speaker 2: If you're Mark Davis, you own the Raiders, who can
Speaker 2: you bring in that will be between Mark Davis and
Speaker 2: let's say the GM and the coaches. Can you bring
Speaker 2: in a football person who can help? Because they've tried,
Speaker 2: they failed, they're still paying John Gruden. I believe they're
Speaker 2: going to be paying Josh McDaniels his entire salary.
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 2: Is this an attractive job? I give you go, man,
Speaker 2: look at the Raiders. They got a great receiver, great
Speaker 2: running back and a great edge rusher. You got a
Speaker 2: new stadium, and then you go, well, we don't have
Speaker 2: a quarterback and DeVante Adams contract is terrible coming up.
Speaker 2: But is this an attractive job? Because if you said,
Speaker 2: I could have the Bear's job where they don't have anybody,
Speaker 2: or you could have the Raiders job where they do
Speaker 2: have some quality talent.
Speaker 3: Yes, these are just the internal struggles that you're talking about.
Speaker 3: That's none of the external factors that come along with
Speaker 3: having young rich men in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2: But is this an attractive job? I don't know because
Speaker 2: I'm working for an owner who's cheap, he's not his dad.
Speaker 2: And can you recreate one of the great images Fan
Speaker 2: bases that we've had in football history. And I don't
Speaker 2: know if you can't like Vegas is glitchy type, Where's
Speaker 2: the Raiders. I mean that was John Matusac and Lyle
Speaker 2: Alzado and Howie Long, and you know there was that
Speaker 2: feeling of they were different than everybody else in the NFL,
Speaker 2: even their quarterback. You know, he had Kenny Stabler, Darryl Lamonica,
Speaker 2: the mad Bomber, Artchell. I mean they had all of these,
Speaker 2: Jack Tatum, Fred Blitnikoff.
Speaker 7: Yes, Paul, if you look at the Raiders situation, they
Speaker 7: can easily move on from Jimmy Garoppolo at the end
Speaker 7: of this season won't be that big of a hit.
Speaker 7: They're probably going to have a top eight draft pick,
Speaker 7: so they could be in that Michael Pennox window to
Speaker 7: get a new quarterback. It seems I think it's more
Speaker 7: attractive than the Washington Commanders as far as like the
Speaker 7: Commanders have a decent roster.
Speaker 2: They have probably a better roster or deeper, But they
Speaker 2: just traded two defensive players, two starters. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: get why they did it if I'm looking at the
Speaker 2: contracts here with Montrez Sweat last year of his rookie deal.
Speaker 2: Bears are going to have to pay him. Are they
Speaker 2: going to franchise him or are they going to give
Speaker 2: him a long term contract. Chase Young is in the
Speaker 2: fourth year of his rookie deal. Washington didn't pick up
Speaker 2: his fifth year option. He would be a free agent
Speaker 2: after the season. Niners don't have to pay him much
Speaker 2: this season feels like it might be a one year rental.
Speaker 2: I don't so, Washington. I think's going to be open,
Speaker 2: Chicago open, Raiders open. Let's see how it goes with
Speaker 2: the Chargers. I don't know what other jobs Tampa Bay
Speaker 2: might be, depending on how that goes in the second
Speaker 2: half of the season. But if you're going to look
Speaker 2: at these openings, do I want the Bears job because
Speaker 2: I can start. I am starting over and I might
Speaker 2: be starting over. With two of the top three or
Speaker 2: four picks in the draft. That's enticing rookie contracts. But
Speaker 2: it it still comes back to this. There's a couple
Speaker 2: of things at play. When somebody says, oh man, you
Speaker 2: got all these draft picks, Well, look when the Browns
Speaker 2: had all of those draft picks. It's who's drafting the
Speaker 2: Ravens for some reason. Well, the reason is they're really good.
Speaker 2: They seem to find a great player, not necessarily in
Speaker 2: a high position, like they're really really good at what
Speaker 2: they do. The Browns have been really really bad at
Speaker 2: what they do with all those draft picks. That's what
Speaker 2: I want to know, who's making the picks? How good
Speaker 2: are you? What's your track record? And also going back
Speaker 2: to Josh McDaniels, he is the poster child for what
Speaker 2: I've said for years on this show. Not every coordinator
Speaker 2: should be a head coach. There's certain coordinators who should
Speaker 2: be coordinators, and he is certainly one of those guys.
Speaker 2: He didn't do anything to distinguish himself in Denver and
Speaker 2: certainly nothing here in Las Vegas. There are guys because
Speaker 2: when you run a team, you're a CEO. When you're
Speaker 2: a coordinator, all you're worried about is that side of
Speaker 2: the ball offensive defensive coordinator. Now you got to be
Speaker 2: involved in special teams, offense, defense, deal with the fans,
Speaker 2: deal with the media, deal with the owner. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a whole lot involved in this, and Josh McDaniels failed. Yes, Marvin,
Speaker 2: do you think.
Speaker 13: The Raiders or the Commanders if they get new head
Speaker 13: coaches should try to make a big splash and try
Speaker 13: to get a big name or just the best guy
Speaker 13: for the job, like an up and coming coordinator. Maybe
Speaker 13: try to prove himselfs well.
Speaker 2: Does Eric Benemy get promoted that this was going to
Speaker 2: be he had a chance to I'm away from Andy Reid,
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes. Now we get a chance to see if
Speaker 2: Eric Bnemy is going to be a head coach. We
Speaker 2: haven't talked about the offense we did at the start
Speaker 2: of the season. People did, Hey, Eric Benemy, We're not
Speaker 2: talking about that anymore. I would think that ownership would
Speaker 2: move on from Ron Rivera and Eric beenemy. Now, Sam Howe,
Speaker 2: you have enough sample size where you go, all right,
Speaker 2: we've seen enough and I'm gonna guess with this new
Speaker 2: ownership and they spend a lot of money on this,
Speaker 2: you're gonna want You're gonna want a clean house. You're
Speaker 2: gonna want to try to get an elite quarterback, big
Speaker 2: name quarterback, maybe a trade for one, but I don't
Speaker 2: think you want to bring in like, let me bring
Speaker 2: in a Jimmy Garoppolo or whoever you want to throw
Speaker 2: out there. You know, Kirk Cousins, bring him back you
Speaker 2: need to make a splash. You got the one year
Speaker 2: haul pass by taking over for Dan Snyder next year,
Speaker 2: the Washington fans are gonna be like, uh, what have
Speaker 2: we got here?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 13: Mark, And if you're the Bears and you're trying to
Speaker 13: go for that head coaching spot, do you have the
Speaker 13: longest leash because the team is so bad? They say, Hey,
Speaker 13: if I was with the Raiders or the Commanders, have
Speaker 13: two years, as opposed to if you're the Bears head coach,
Speaker 13: we have four years.
Speaker 5: Because they're such a young team.
Speaker 2: I would think three years is the window.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: May not be fair, but I think three years is
Speaker 2: a good sample size of getting your players in there.
Speaker 2: I would argue that you need probably four years when
Speaker 2: you're going to draft and get your players, turn over
Speaker 2: the roster, get your philosophy in their coaching philosophy. But Bears,
Speaker 2: to me would be interesting. Washington, great fan base. I
Speaker 2: don't know about the Raiders, and can you ask Tom
Speaker 2: Brady to get involved with the Raiders. We'll talk to
Speaker 2: Ian Rappaport about that.