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Speaker 1: make sure you check out the Dave Damaschek Football Program.

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Speaker 1: dot com Slash podcasts. We look at the world of

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Speaker 1: family leaves to welcome to another distance of the Around

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Speaker 1: don't worry, Dan hands Is your host is gonna be

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Speaker 1: here very soon. We had to get the show started. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not giving up that sandwich because you forgot managing Mark,

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Speaker 1: the Year candidates J. J. Watt, Aaron Donald, Michael Bennett,

425
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Speaker 1: Mark Baron's in there, Khalil Max in there, and Kelvin

426
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Speaker 1: Smith is third or fourth on that list. Kelvin Smith,

427
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Speaker 1: if you go, I was randomly watching that Bill's Jackson

428
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Speaker 1: London game for the first half, shows what the Jags

429
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Speaker 1: could be if everything went right. Kelvin Smith is one

430
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Speaker 1: of the fastest linebackers in the game right now, and

431
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Speaker 1: he was fantastic in that game, so I don't have

432
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Speaker 1: a problem with him being on this list, but these

433
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are below him, he is absolutely absurd. Um

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Speaker 1: My defense of the Top one hundred, although not in

435
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Speaker 1: its current uh incarnation. I like lists. I like looking

436
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Speaker 1: at these type of things and talking about them, but

437
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Speaker 1: it is it's you cannot you can't say that there.

438
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Speaker 1: It could be improved, and I think it could be

439
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 1: improved by putting up to more than just the players.

440
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 1: But the problem is that's the whole hook of the

441
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Speaker 1: Top one hunter that this is what the players think,

442
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: but they're just seems week after week, especially the luck

443
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Speaker 1: thing like there should be I would think certain red

444
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Speaker 1: flags or it's like whoa, whoa, whoa, there's no way

445
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Speaker 1: we could have a list where Andrew Luck is behind

446
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Speaker 1: Alex Smith by ten spots. So I think there are

447
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Speaker 1: improvements that could be made, and if there's a shadow,

448
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 1: we leave figure that's listening. Uh. Mark Sessler is volunteered

449
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Speaker 1: to be a part of that committee. I would say

450
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Speaker 1: this that the NFL network, and I don't think that

451
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Speaker 1: they would deny this if you really put a gun

452
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Speaker 1: to the head, that they like this list with these

453
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Speaker 1: outrageous nuggets happening week to week because it generates tweets, conversations,

454
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Speaker 1: and reactions. Andrew Luck was all over on a slow

455
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Speaker 1: newsday last Friday. He showed up in almost any relevant

456
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Speaker 1: football blog, his placing the top one hunder So you're

457
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Speaker 1: probably right now whether that is right to quote Mike

458
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Speaker 1: Silver show business baby, Yeah, all right? Anything else on

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Speaker 1: the top one hunderd this. I don't know if we

460
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Speaker 1: can keep talking about it, We're gonna get in trouble eventual.

461
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Speaker 1: One of these weeks we'll talk about Westerns top one hundred.

462
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Speaker 1: So far I unveiled eighty to a hundred. Well, I

463
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Speaker 1: think your ideas shift over and do yours. They tweeted

464
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Speaker 1: Gregg's last night, and I didn't realize it was Gregg's

465
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Speaker 1: and I thought, wait a minute. I wrote an article

466
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Speaker 1: and I got all the players wrong. But this, this

467
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Speaker 1: group that they've tweeted out makes a lot of sense.

468
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Speaker 1: And then it was like, oh, it's Greg's nice move.

469
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Speaker 1: Marks that will help you when they come after you

470
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Speaker 1: for this top one hundred. I'm now going to defend

471
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Speaker 1: the hell out of you because you know what you're talking.

472
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Speaker 1: You got your sound drop, you know, play that up

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Speaker 1: to the show for you. Well, I have a little

474
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Speaker 1: boss defense. I have Kirk Cousin's reaction to this down

475
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Speaker 1: that is great sound toward tired sound drop. That's a

476
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Speaker 1: good transition. That's like TD celebration sound drop. Yeah, let's

477
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Speaker 1: I can find that. I'm I'll put it on right now. Listen.

478
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Speaker 1: You know I love Brandy. You know I love that

479
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Speaker 1: your efforts always I appreciate that. That's where That's where

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Speaker 1: I'll leave it. I'm at least I'm atter change over here, Yeah,

481
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Speaker 1: over over and almost a percent. Alright, let's move on.

482
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Speaker 1: Let's talk a little Dalton Scale. Um, As we said,

483
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Speaker 1: the Dalton Scale is really our quarterback rankings. But we

484
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Speaker 1: we this is not we're waiting out of the top

485
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Speaker 1: ten discussion, because that's what people love to talk who's

486
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Speaker 1: the best quarterback When it comes down to it, those

487
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: top three or four guys you could they're not I'm

488
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: not gonna say they interchangeable, but there's no right or

489
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: wrong answer, and it's so highly debated. At some point

490
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: you got to move away. So what we do here

491
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Speaker 1: at the Round the NFL podcast we try to figure

492
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Speaker 1: out the middle section, uh, the soft underbelly of this conversation,

493
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Speaker 1: and we want to find out how far can you

494
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Speaker 1: go in terms of a list of NFL quarterbacks before

495
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Speaker 1: you reach the point of no return, no return being

496
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Speaker 1: no chance at playing in February. That is the Dalton scale.

497
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Speaker 1: And for years we've been doing this long enough where

498
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Speaker 1: I could say for years Andy Dalton was that guy.

499
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: He was the prime Meridian. Uh. It was mostly agreed

500
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Speaker 1: upon um the idea that Dalton was kind of that

501
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: guy where everyone on the other side of Dalton that

502
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Speaker 1: was worse had no chance of being a franchise quarterback,

503
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: and the people in front of him were. And that's

504
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: something strange happened. In his fifth season, Andy Dalton became

505
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Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl type quarterback. UM for long stretches of

506
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Speaker 1: the season, Um, which made him a tough play to

507
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Speaker 1: be the Dalton scale West. I know you still have

508
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: some feelings that he should remain at the Dalton line.

509
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Speaker 1: Maybe this is a time to make the case. Well,

510
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 1: as I said on the last podcast, baseball still known

511
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Speaker 1: as the Mendoza line has been retired for thirty years.

512
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Speaker 1: So even though it logically doesn't make any sense, the

513
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: branding is such that you just leave it, which, well,

514
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Speaker 1: I think that's actually an okay argument. That is one thing,

515
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: because I don't think it makes sense. That is one thing. Also,

516
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Speaker 1: I made my list as of May who I would

517
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Speaker 1: build a roster around, and Andy Dalton is sitting right

518
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 1: in the middle among the quarterback And this is only

519
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: really problematic for the next seven seasons or so. Once

520
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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton's out of the league, then we're in the clear.

521
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Speaker 1: Like Mendoza, this Mendoza character Carl Mendoza from early twentieth

522
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Speaker 1: century basis and Mendoza, right, I think it's Mendoza, Actually,

523
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Speaker 1: I think I think it was. It was Ramiro Mendoza,

524
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: the former Yank getting uncomfortable to Greg dan thing Um.

525
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: But it is manny by the way. But really from

526
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Speaker 1: the Texas Rangers. I'm I'm okay with that because we

527
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: talked about Tannis scale. Mario Mendoza, I'm sorry, all right,

528
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Speaker 1: we can we Mario. Let's just talk, Mario. Man, we

529
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Speaker 1: get the car started and get moving here, so there

530
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Speaker 1: will be a period. I'm with West. Does everyone on board,

531
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Speaker 1: let's keeping the Dalton scale, even though Andy Dalton will

532
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Speaker 1: appear on the list on the Dalton scale and not

533
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Speaker 1: be the prime Ridian. Is that what could possibly happen here?

534
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't think that makes sense. I I don't like

535
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Speaker 1: the name Alex Smith for the scale, but he to

536
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Speaker 1: me is the Dalton. He is the prime Meridian right now.

537
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Speaker 1: Alex Smith is the perfect choice. He is so perfect.

538
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: He is the perfect replacement for Andy Dalton. And so,

539
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Speaker 1: to me, when I'm making this list, is a guy

540
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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback or not? Alex Smith is that line? And

541
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Speaker 1: if Andy Dalton's above that line, how is Andy Dalton

542
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: above the Andy? How is he off the Andy Dalton's

543
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: Alex scale? I mean, I I totally agree with Alex Smith.

544
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: I think that the thing with Andy Dalton where I

545
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: this made so much sense before last season was that

546
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: Dalton felt like a guy. The minute he hit the league,

547
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: his ceiling was known and he wasn't gonna go above.

548
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: We knew who he was. But I think he's changed

549
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: as a player where Alex Smith is deeper in his career,

550
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Speaker 1: and I would be shocked if Alex Smith, even though

551
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: Alex Smith has had some very statistically good seasons, he

552
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: is that guy and you pick a young guy like

553
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater or someone else, you can't. You're you're banking

554
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: on him not changing episode the Alex Smith scale and

555
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: watched the downloads tumble. That's a problem with the Brandy

556
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Speaker 1: now Alex scale. For five seconds, I thought that this

557
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: would be this would be it the first time that

558
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Speaker 1: that West changed his opinion on something. I thought we're

559
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: gonna get him. Didn't get him. I have changed my

560
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: opinion on things. Well, it's it's it could be a positive.

561
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: I think Andy Dalton, you have strong opinion. I think

562
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton is now a franchise quarterback. I still think

563
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: he's a distributor at quarterback. He's not a playmaker. So

564
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: I would take a Marcus Mariota and a Blake Bortles

565
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: over him. But the I mean Cutler would be another

566
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Speaker 1: option for this. I don't know if there's a fancy name.

567
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: I like Alex Smith? Do I like Alex He's the

568
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Speaker 1: best one. Let's tentatively and West just just roll with

569
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Speaker 1: it for now. I agree that he is the uh

570
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Speaker 1: what do we call it? The primer Ridian? He is

571
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Speaker 1: the primar Ridian. So he is the primary Ridian because

572
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Speaker 1: button scale. So if Dan did not understand the Dalton

573
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: scale before, famously he's had a hard time now it's

574
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Speaker 1: really West simply has branding issues with changing it, which

575
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Speaker 1: I understand. It's funny now that it's more complicated now

576
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Speaker 1: I understand it. So Alex Smith is the primary Ridian

577
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: of the NFL. Friend, let's use that as a jumping

578
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: off point forget about the branding. We have some money

579
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Speaker 1: that we want to make. We have coffee mug and

580
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: beer coozies and T shirts with the Dalton scale in

581
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: a warehouse scales the scales of course. Yeah, so let's

582
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: what did I say? That's what we have? We have scales,

583
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Speaker 1: actual scale scale. It's got his face on it. He

584
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Speaker 1: just stepped ontona. Um. So, but the primaryian is Alex Smith,

585
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: So why don't we if he is the middle point

586
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Speaker 1: who is directly behind him, who's the first guy Cousins,

587
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: Which it makes sense because the Redskins won't give him

588
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: a long term contract, but they also don't want to

589
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: lose him. Say but you're the kissing Cousins. You don't

590
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: you think he's You guys took my Redskins support all wrong.

591
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: Last year it was about the NFC East being garbage.

592
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't because I thought Kirk Cousins was a great quarterback.

593
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: It was a Greg was disrespecting him. Oh year marks

594
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: life on the Island Now, Kirk. I would take Kirk

595
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: Cousins over Alex Smith. So he is above it. That

596
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: is fascinating to me, West that you put Cousins below

597
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: the Dalton scale, that he's on the other side. That's

598
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: not a franchise coarse if they have lot Now you

599
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: know that I agree with you on that, and I

600
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: don't think. I think he has a chance, like Dalton

601
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: to get a little bit better. And like Dalton, he's

602
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: in a he's in a situation with a lot of

603
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: talent around him, which definitely helps a lot. But I

604
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Speaker 1: I agree to meet Cousins is not a guy that

605
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: you just see. Okay, Uh next six years. Let's give

606
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: him ninety million. He's our guy, period. Hold on, he's

607
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: not there. He could get there maybe, but he's not there.

608
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: He could get there, and I think it's a smart

609
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: move by the Redskins. And it's the same thing with Dalton.

610
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: And even though Dalton in a good season, does anyone

611
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Speaker 1: really believe that he's gonna go necessarily duplicate that again

612
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: next year? It's very much await and see, and it

613
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: is with Cousins too. But if Cousins did go do

614
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: the same thing next season, I think it gets a

615
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: long term deal with the red Skins. I think if

616
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: Dalton took a step back to where he was the

617
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: season before, that would be a big disappointment. Now there's

618
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: some room in between where he's not just lighting the

619
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Speaker 1: world on fire. But I think at this point I'm

620
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Speaker 1: putting Dalton above that scale and I'm expecting him to

621
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: be a plus quarterback that you can win with that

622
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: that he's in the better than that. Tell me, if

623
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: if if John, if Peyton Manning in his state he

624
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: was last year, is enough to to limp to a

625
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: Super Bowl win. That Andy Dalton surrounded by the right

626
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: guys can't be a franchise type player. Let's start with

627
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: one playoff victory before we go talking about Super Bowl.

628
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: That's a different argument to me, like whether you can

629
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Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl without a franchise quarterback, because it's

630
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: been proven twice in the last twenty years you can.

631
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: It's really hard to do, but it's happened, so that

632
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: that to me is a separate argument. Then then a

633
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: guy that's a franchise and he got really I mean

634
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: talk about a guy's star cross guy after finally getting

635
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: his career to the next level, he gets his thumbusted

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Speaker 1: on a freak play and misses the playoffs last year,

637
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Speaker 1: and then the team gags away at playoff winning it's

638
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: the Steelers where I don't know if he was gonna

639
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Speaker 1: have a chance to get back in the lineup ever.

640
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: But I mean last year he really was a little

641
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Speaker 1: star cross because he had twenty five touchdowns entering December

642
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: and they were what eleven and two. Could you argue

643
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: that helped him because he wasn't the scapegoat because he's

644
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Speaker 1: on the sideline. Maybe Bill, we'll never know. We'll never

645
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: know they were a Super Bowl contender. If the Broncos

646
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: could win the Super Bowl of the Bengals could have

647
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl. There was about seven or eight

648
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 1: teams that could have won the Super Bowl, but they

649
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: were they were one of them. All right, let me

650
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Speaker 1: throw out another name here, Ryan Tannehill entering a year

651
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: four I believe as a starter there. Yeah right now,

652
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: you know this could People suggested the Tanna scale, which

653
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: sounds great, sounds great, but he's definitely below if you're

654
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: just basic on last year's play for what it's worth it.

655
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: Did you know the year end rankings of quarterbacks. I

656
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: had him twenty six for his just his two thousand

657
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: fist performance. Yeah, he had a rough, rough year, very

658
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: milk Tills quarterback. I think he's a hard watch on

659
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: game rewind. You know the offense has been boring. But

660
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: another candidate young and I'm not a Tannehill guy at all,

661
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: but you pairing with Adam Gaze and he could have

662
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: one of those seasons the same way Color did. What

663
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Speaker 1: we say a year from now, Oh, Tannehill's finally coming

664
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Speaker 1: in bloom. Not a scale candidate for me because he's

665
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: too young. We don't know what's gonna well. The year

666
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: before I had him for what It's worth and which

667
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: is not much. I mean that was sort of the

668
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: conventional wisdom coming off a very strong Tannehill season was

669
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Speaker 1: number one are making a leap a few right, which

670
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: basically played to play to all of his strength and

671
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: he limited mistakes. I think he's a limited quarterback, but

672
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: with everything perfect around him. Okay, athletic, it's fitting that

673
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: you mentioned Cutler and Gaze because Tannehill is the new

674
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: coach killer who's got more coaches fired than Ryan Tannehill. Yes,

675
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: I want to put his third coordinator, and he hasn't

676
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: improved his first. But there's a lot of other issues

677
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: on that team than just Tannehill. I mean, he's taken

678
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: a beating, and but I will say he's not that

679
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: he's part of the reason for the beating he's taken.

680
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: His numbers are very good. Will be twenty eight years

681
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: old this summer. He's going to be making a sixty

682
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: five start when the season start. He's been around for

683
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: a while now, so you would think, and if Andy

684
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: Dalton can make the jump in his fifth year, you're right, Mark,

685
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: like Ryan Tannehill could do it too with better coaching,

686
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: and maybe something's click. But at this point I don't

687
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: I doubt the guy, having seen him so much. I

688
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: do too, for I know he has empty numbers more

689
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: than other quarterbacks, and I'll buy that. But for every

690
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: thing that he takes his criticism, the facts are, he's

691
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: he's fifty one touchdowns in twenty four interceptions in a

692
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: seven point one yards pertempting to name a big victory. No, no,

693
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: and I and I get all that. I'm just saying.

694
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: The other argument for him is that, like numbers that

695
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: solid over the last two years, that he's not a

696
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: total disaster. He's he's in the middle, he's okay. So

697
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: by the way, sneaky old four, I keep thinking he's well.

698
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: And the whole thing was like he was going to

699
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Speaker 1: improve because he hasn't played quarterback as much as other people,

700
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: and he's maybe doesn't have the natural instincts. And yet

701
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: what you said West resonates with me a lot, which

702
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: is all the promise that I saw as a rookie,

703
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: you haven't seen it really move forward a lot, Like

704
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: maybe he just doesn't have those instincts. Dan, you are

705
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: a little overconfident in your ability to hang with the

706
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: Dalton scale right now? WHOA So I'm gonna throw you're

707
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: just upset because you lost your branding. And well, Dan

708
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: also took the shot that you've never changed your opinion

709
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: and so it's a lot. But that's everyone knows that,

710
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: But that's not true. Go ahead. This was a problem

711
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: last year with this list too. What do you do

712
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: with Jared Goff who look what he got traded for.

713
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: Nobody would give up that much for Alex Smith. Nobody

714
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: would give up that much for Kirk Cousins. So obviously

715
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: he's more valuable as a franchise quarterback than Alex Smith. Well,

716
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: I buy a team by a team that we've never

717
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: respected what they think about quarterbacks at all until now. Well,

718
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: look at what teams were offering for Jameis Winston, Marcus

719
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: more of the year before. Here's my argument. It is

720
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: a problem with it, But I look at the Dalton

721
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: scale more of like it's a performance. It's not a metric,

722
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: but it's based on production and performance. He doesn't have

723
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Speaker 1: it to me. It's not like it's not like he's

724
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: ranked in QBR right now, He's never played, so he's

725
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: never He's not honest. This is where we disagree. To me.

726
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: It's based on roster building. So do we all agree

727
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: that Tennant Hill is on the other side of Alex Smith.

728
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't understand less how that turned

729
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: into me not understanding that felt like a shot onward

730
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: to there. What did that have to do with me?

731
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: It's been a tough show, just a bit for the show, Dan,

732
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: roll with the punch. You get to the end of

733
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: this conversation and he started completely different philosophical ideas about

734
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 1: what the list means. It could not be any hazier.

735
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: And by the way, let me just make something very clear, Greg,

736
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: this has not been a rough show for me. It

737
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: is a rough show for you know. This is what

738
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: great you want to talk about La Ravio mcnify coos

739
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: for a sandwich. You sold the show down the river.

740
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: You couldn't be more wrong. You're someone that always says

741
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: I'll do anything for the show. It's fun to kill

742
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: a man for the show. So you did so, you know,

743
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: it was fun mixing up the show start a little

744
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: bit differently this morning. It was a little different, Dan.

745
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: Think of it positively. It showed your versatility. You were

746
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: able to come in, put on the headphones mid show,

747
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: just slide right in and start doing the old Zeus thing,

748
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: let's move on matt Stafford. Alright, so we both we

749
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: all agreed. Tan Hill is on the wrong side of

750
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: Alex Smith. Who's the other player we talked about so

751
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: far today? Well, Alex Smith, Tannehill, Dalton, Jared Cousins. Okay,

752
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: how about Matthew Stafford? Now Mark Sessler. Is he on

753
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: the right side of Alex Smith or the wrong side?

754
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: He's a tough one. He is very tough. But I'm

755
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: putting them on the on the the upside, the right side.

756
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: I I am nodded. I think that we talked about guy.

757
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: It's not fun to watch half the time that's Stafford.

758
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: But last year with the magical powers of Jim Bob

759
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: Cooter a little bit of a different version of Matthew Stafford.

760
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: But it's another guy that at this point, how long

761
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: we're gonna wait for him to turn into what we think? Well,

762
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: he's been productive, he's frustrating to watch. He can be

763
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: fun because when he gets going, I mean, he can

764
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: make some crazy throws and he's a very streaky quarterback.

765
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: I'd put him just on the right side of this scale.

766
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: It's not belttle Alex. I do think he is a

767
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. I think if if his organization was was

768
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: better and everything was okay, like he's not he's not

769
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: the top five quarterback, but I think he's a like Wes.

770
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: If you're talking from a team building angle, he's got

771
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: to be on the right side. I have Matthew Stafford

772
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: and Derek Carr as the two quarterbacks between Andy Dalton

773
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: and Alex Smith. Okay, so you Andy Dalton, Do we

774
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: all agree by the way that Andy Dalton's on the

775
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: right side of this list? I guess we did right

776
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 1: now at this point. Derek Carr came out and lit

777
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: the league on fire the first half of last season, sneaky,

778
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: terrible down. Let's talk Car. Is he and Stafford was

779
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: the opposite terrible at the beginning of the year. And

780
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: these are two of the most inconsistent quarterbacks in the NFL,

781
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: and we don't know who they are. Is Car obviously

782
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: over the line? It's because obviously, if we talked about

783
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: this last year, he would not have been. I think

784
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: it's physical tools put him over the line. I liked,

785
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: I actually really liked the way that that you see

786
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: this and from a team building angle, and and you

787
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: have to say that he absolutely is because they're confidently

788
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: building the team around him. It's yes, I would two

789
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: years in because absolutely, Derek Carr is a lot to offer.

790
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: And in Bordles, let's just throw it out there because

791
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 1: again he's he wouldn't have been on the right side

792
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: of it necessarily at this point, would have been for me,

793
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: but he definitely put him on because some of it

794
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: is I'm not going you want to talk about production

795
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: alone and what they've done, that's fine with Bordles, but

796
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: if you want, if I wanted to build a team,

797
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: Bortles is the type of quarterback that I would absolutely

798
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: sign off on. Agree, And you're right, the production thing

799
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: doesn't quite make sense. I just don't know what to

800
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: do with rookies. I feel like you gotta playlist. I

801
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: think you got it. I don't think that they're they're

802
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: kind of like TB D. Yeah, they should the scale

803
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: unless we want to unless we're willing to be completely

804
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: wrong about them from year to year out of the game.

805
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: A guy like Phil Simms back in the day didn't

806
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: play for years. I mean, these these guys today are

807
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: forced onto the field from week one, and you're gonna

808
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: get a lot of inconsistency and unanswered question. I thought

809
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 1: you were gonna say, Phil Simms said that Andrew Luck

810
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: doesn't have a good arm. Remember that wouldn't be surprised

811
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: if out of his mouth, Mark, I just thought of

812
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: a offseason idea for NFL Network programming the centers around you. Okay,

813
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: you have this love of offensive coordinators well documented. Jim

814
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: Bob Cooonery just brought up about a round table you

815
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: and thirty two offensive coordinate an ass table. I'd love it,

816
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: and you just a clothed shoot the s with them all.

817
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: Excuse me, Greg, that was unprofessional. I would assume their

818
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 1: clothed Mark will be the executive. They are wearing clothing

819
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 1: in this scenario. I love it, and you just bathe

820
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: in the knowledge. And you know the only guy not

821
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: allowed is Loggins. Right, I'm just trying to set it

822
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: in a dark but most enjoy it. And that was

823
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Speaker 1: what I thought. You couldn't be farther from from the target, Greg,

824
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: I would not be so into defensive coordinators. It's it's

825
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: really your big guy, all right, let's st uh. Did

826
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Speaker 1: we talk enough about Jay Cutler because he feels like

827
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: a really um polarizing quarterback when you talk about the

828
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: don't scale, I have him below Kirk Cousins and Jared Goff.

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Speaker 1: There's no way I'm building a franchise around Jake Cutler.

830
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Speaker 1: There's just no from a team building I don't think

831
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Speaker 1: most teams want to build a franchise around Jake Cutler. Well,

832
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,479
Speaker 1: I'm I'm obviously the biggest Cutler supporter in the room.

833
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: Gino Smith, Ryan Tannehill, Jake Cutler to me to be

834
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Speaker 1: dead on the wrong side of history. Me. Cutler and

835
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 1: Alex Smith are two very different answers to what the

836
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: median is, and Cutler is right there at the meeting.

837
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Speaker 1: I think Cutler one of them wins games. Now, if

838
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: you put Cutler in a situation like the Bengals or

839
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: he would find a really talented team boys in the

840
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: locker room, I think think remember when he got out

841
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: played by Josh McCown on the same team with the

842
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: same weapons. He played well that year. They both played

843
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 1: well that year. He also had had some monster seasons

844
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: early in Denver. I think he has a little highway once.

845
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Speaker 1: You can't have both ways west if you like Josh McCown,

846
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: you can't bury Cutler for not being as good as

847
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: a account. I like Josh McCown. He is what he is,

848
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: though he's about the thirty second best quarterback in the

849
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: NFL well and cannot stay healthy. Cutler has also shown,

850
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: unlike Alex Smith, that he can be that median in

851
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: any system. He gets coaches fired in any of those systems,

852
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: but he's an average starting quarterback in five different systems

853
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: we've seen that. So to me, that just shows that

854
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: he's like, right at the line. I didn't putting him

855
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: right at the one person that would a group that

856
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna build around. No, that's why he's at the line.

857
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: He's not above or below. I think a lot of

858
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: NFL coaches felt very hard for Jay Cutler year after

859
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,479
Speaker 1: year because of his traits, and I think they'd agree

860
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: with Greg more than we would. But from an en

861
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: at this point, no, But for years and years people

862
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: they coveted what Jay Cutler brought from a physical angle,

863
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: and at this point it's it's more about do you

864
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: want him in your locker room? Is this guy? This is

865
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: is someone that people believe in. His teammates do like him. Though,

866
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: I feel that when's the last time the Cutler related

867
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: blow up. It's I think that's a few years. It

868
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 1: is almost the way the way that Romo was dog

869
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: say anything nice about him these days, Well, he's kind

870
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: of a tough case. I just think that the Cutler

871
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: thing got blown up a little bit where he's he's

872
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: ripped on NonStop. But a lot of players that come

873
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: to his defense that just the way Ja Cutler looks,

874
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: It's like just like Joe Montana was on our air

875
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: saying how Colin Kaepernick doesn't communicate with teammates, And I

876
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: think that's a fair criticism of Cutler that he is not,

877
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: you know, at a position where you got to inspire

878
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: leadership like it. It's clear that's not his best trade

879
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: about the league. And he still doesn't throw with anticipation.

880
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: That's why he's right at the line. I'm backing off.

881
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: He used to be above the line. No one's calling

882
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: him a top ten Oh I've got one. Marcus Mariotta

883
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: is in the top ten on my list. Wow, so

884
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: well on the right side of history. Wow, you are

885
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: and that and you might end up being right. I

886
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: I laud that when you believe in a player, you

887
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: believe in him, and you believe in Marcus mark I don't.

888
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's gonna argue he has a chance

889
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: to be a true franchise quarterback, right I mean I

890
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: would take him. No, No, we all we all agree

891
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: with I think West is just on another level that

892
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: he's expecting greatness, and I'm more like, we'll see, we'll see.

893
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: What about Teddy Bridgewater, He's an interesting case right now

894
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: at all. I'm putting him on the on the wrong

895
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: side of Alex Smith right now with an opportunity to

896
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,479
Speaker 1: grow still, but I haven't seen enough in two years

897
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: to really be confident about him being a franchise guy

898
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: with you. I have him in the Tannehill, Tyrod Taylor

899
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: section of my list, definitely on the wrong side. I

900
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: I would put him as the first player on the

901
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: wrong side. To me, he's ahead of Tannehill, He's ahead

902
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: of Tyrod. If we did this exercise a year ago,

903
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: we would have had him ahead of Car and Boardles,

904
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: maybe certainly cars. He did this exercise and I believe

905
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: Mark and I both had Boardles higher, so Teddy. Teddy's

906
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: a guy who if you want to criticize him, the

907
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: problem is he might just turn into an Alex Smith.

908
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: And that's that would be I think the worst case

909
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: scenario for him. The NFL players, based on their voting,

910
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: I have to contractually bring this one up. Andrew Luck

911
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: right side or wrong side, number ninety one on the

912
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: top one, number two on my list, easily on the

913
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,959
Speaker 1: right side, number two. And if I'm building a team,

914
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: it goes and Aaron Rodgers Andrew Luck, just like it

915
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: would have last summer ahead of Cam Newton the m

916
00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: v P. Yes, m hm um. Nobody think fitz Magic

917
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: is on the right side. Think I have him at

918
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: thirty one. I think now I want to be convinced

919
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: he wants to play football right now. Oh, I think

920
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: he wanted to play. I think he was. I think

921
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: he was an averager. I think it was a little

922
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: better than I never would say that about him at all,

923
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 1: because he's every he's one of the hardest working guys

924
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: and he's kept a career going. But I mean, join

925
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: a team, get with the Jets, do something here. I'm

926
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: not sure the rage is at that level. But what

927
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: about Tyrod? I guess you have him just below West.

928
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: I have Tyrod at on my list. Way is that

929
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: you have him below I have him below Ryan Tannehill

930
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: Paxton Lynch, Teddy Bridgewater, who's thirty on your list? Blame Gabbert?

931
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: You blame Gabbert ahead of Ryan Fitzpatrick. Yes, if I'm

932
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: building a team, okay, the same reason the other thirty

933
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: one teams in the league don't want to sign right now.

934
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: This is the difference between evaluating last season, where no

935
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: one would argue that Fitzpatrick what you know Fitzpatrick was

936
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 1: You know what Ryan Fitzpatrick is think the other thirty

937
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: one teams due to gab What about Tyrode? What about

938
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: We don't evaluate anything he did in Jacksonville. We just

939
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: throw that out. Now, do I evaluate all the data

940
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: at my dispose? He was one of the worst players

941
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: in NFL history with the Jaguar I agree, And Ali

942
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: Manny was one of the worst players in in NFL

943
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: history his rookie year with the Giants. He wasn't just

944
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: a rookie though. By the way, get ready for some

945
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: genius talk. If Chip Kelly can make Blaine Gather, Quinn,

946
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: Quentin Patron and DeAndre Smelter into a top three uh,

947
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: you know, combo, because I think that's what he wants

948
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: to do. He want that is the guy when I'm

949
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: putting together this projected starters. The forty Niners don't have

950
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: any receivers. Quentin Patton's number two, and he has thirty

951
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: six career catches and two years they don't have it.

952
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: Their third receiver is a fourth round pick from a

953
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: year ago that missed the whole season. Well, you could

954
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: pick anyone on the team's their third receiver. They don't

955
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: have anyone who ever caught any passes. Gotta buy Gregor Smelter, Jersey,

956
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 1: Jerome Simpson to Tyrode is not even close. Tyrod isn't

957
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: it is a fun guy to watch this year. I

958
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: would not put him above the line, but I want

959
00:46:58,360 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: to see what he does. I would put if I

960
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: knew he could stay healthy, I would above Teddy Bridgewater. Wow,

961
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I just think he's fascinating. I think

962
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: we're too low on Teddy. I think that I think

963
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: that Teddy could change all opinions. I think the traits

964
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: that he has are ones that stick in terms of

965
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: his ability to go through reads and and like the

966
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: mental side of things that if he can, just as

967
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: he gets a little more experience, I think he's gonna

968
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: get a lot better. He's a young guy, and hey,

969
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: I mean i r G three is is below. I

970
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: mean the trajectory of his career is depressing. He could

971
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: he has a chance if he starts to to change

972
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: what people think. But if he beats out Josh, you'll

973
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: rank him where though the bottom of the list. Yeah,

974
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: Sam Bradford. I don't believe in Sam Bradford at all.

975
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: If I was a team that needed a quarterback in

976
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: my GM got convinced and roped into a long term

977
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: deal with him, I'm in depression zone as a fan

978
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: of I just I don't want it. I'd rather have

979
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor. Yes, I'm not you kind of like Bradford

980
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: a little bit. I think no, But I I'm not

981
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: saying was he any worse than Tyrod Taylor last year? No,

982
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: I mean they're different. I just think Tyrod Taylor offers

983
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: more than Sam Bradford from I want on the I

984
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: want a guy who wants to compete. But the real

985
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: question is Joe Flacco. Elite old Flacco who did not

986
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: have a black good season while he played last year

987
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: is well ahead of the line. Right, he didn't have

988
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: a good season and who was he throwing too? Where's

989
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: he on your lists. I have him just ahead of

990
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton's on my list, just behind Jamis Winston. I'd

991
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: have him a little higher Winston. I would put him

992
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: on the right side for sure, when he lies on

993
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: the right side kind of in the Mariota is right

994
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 1: there in the Dalton zone. Wow, put behind Flacco? Wow,

995
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: you have him right there. I'd still have Eli above it.

996
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: To me, he's a franchise quarterback. What about Brock We

997
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: need to him behind Branford. Well, I know who who

998
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: put him ahead of Dalton or ahead of Alex Smith

999
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: is Rick Smith, Texas general manager seventy two million reasons.

1000
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: I think Rick Smith would have paid Alex Smith that

1001
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: much money too. That's a that's a good There was

1002
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: a desperation involved that that whole process after the owner

1003
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: came down after that embarrassing playoff us um alright, guys,

1004
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: I think we went through just about every quarterback that

1005
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: warranted discussion. There. Matt Ryan right on the right on

1006
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: the nose there, right on the line. What staff, there's

1007
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: like twenty two quarterbacks right on the line. He's out

1008
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: right on the line. West. Where do you have him?

1009
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: I have him? Has him ahead of Flacco? But if

1010
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm building, I I'm building, I'm taking Blake Bordle's upside

1011
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: over over Matt Ryan. Do you get the extra five years?

1012
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: I don't know how that works. That's like starting who

1013
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: do I want to build my team around? Has Matt

1014
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: Ryan kind of flatlined a little bit? I agree? I

1015
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: would take Bortles, I just like I mean, there are

1016
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: different physiques everything. Let me just throw this out of

1017
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: there right now. A player you want to build around

1018
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: for a future almost thirty nine year old Tom Brady?

1019
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: We sure you want to build around a middle aged ma'am.

1020
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: I've got him fifth, I'm winning Super Bowl's baby. I mean,

1021
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: if we're building a team, do you want until he

1022
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: is until the championship banners fly forever? You can build

1023
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: a pretty roster all you want until he weaves the earth.

1024
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna play until he's forty five. Come on, he's

1025
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: in his prime right now. Is Father Time not undefeated

1026
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: tom Brady's tom Brady's got him on the roofs though

1027
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: he's got the faces loaded on Father Time. With Mother

1028
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: Nature warming up in the bullpen, does that mean he

1029
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: could get wiped out by a hurricane if he keeps

1030
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 1: on performing well. I don't even know what it means.

1031
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 1: All right, that's it. That started um Dalton Scale conversation

1032
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: starring Alex Smith. I don't know. We'll figure it out.

1033
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: It's the Alex Smith scale right now, but it was

1034
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: Dalton Scale with Alex Smith featured. It's the scale formerly

1035
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: known as the Dalton. It's like happy Days in in Alex.

1036
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: I wish, I wish I could think of a better

1037
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: sequel that this makes sense for Okay, it's like it's

1038
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 1: like American Psycho to where Mila Kunis played American Psycho.

1039
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: It's like a sequel but with a different style. Is

1040
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I was gonna say teen Wolf,

1041
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: but I didn't want to sound too much like Bill.

1042
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 1: I have no idea what's happening at this point? Um, alright,

1043
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 1: none of us did. That's it. We'll figure it out.

1044
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: But it will be up to the Irishman actually because

1045
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: he has the name of the show. So another big

1046
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: chisel moment for Irish behind the glass downloads or not,

1047
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: just yeah, just call it the DeAndre Smelter Hour. We

1048
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: will be back next week with I believe three more shows.

1049
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: We keep the train keeps rolling and never stops. Mark, Mark,

1050
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: you were thinking maybe two shows next week, now three

1051
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: maybe four. I'd say just move this thing daily. I'd

1052
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: sign off on five one day. We should do this daily.

1053
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: That's a goal of the show as well. That is

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Speaker 1: Connor and Patra right now. We're gonna their hair will

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Speaker 1: be on fire if we continue to do this daily.

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Speaker 1: They've stopped listening to us. So that's um alright, So

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Speaker 1: we'll be back on Monday. Thank you for everyone to listen.

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Speaker 1: your friends Greg. Now it is up to you. You

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Speaker 1: open the show, now you'll close it. Oh wow, better

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Speaker 1: get it right. Four marks, I haven't I don't remember. First,

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal for Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Dan Hampers.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal do Monday, Hat and Ano