1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: Hi, I am Rashaan McDonald. Our host a weekly Money 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Making Conversations Masterclass show. The interviews and information that this 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: show provides off for everyone. It's time to start reading 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: other people's success stories and start living your own. If 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: you want to be a guest on my show, please 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: visit our website, Moneymaking Conversations dot com and click to 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: be a guest button and submit your information. My guest 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: today is a natural born entrepreneur and community leader. He 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: is two successful companies we're going to discuss, and this 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: journey from low income housing to academic entrepreneur and community 11 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: community success is very motivating. That includes a full service 12 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: home improvement and property management company. And he is the 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: founder and CEO of Alpha Educational Consultants, Inc. Please welcome 14 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 1: to Money Making Conversations Masterclass. Michael Woodwood. 15 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: How you doing, Michael, I'm doing great. Man. Well, I 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: tell you, every time you read that thing, it sounds 17 00:00:58,360 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: like you're talking about somebody. 18 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: Just stop that now. I would let everybody know Michael 19 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: is a person that I you know, you meet people 20 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: and you become inspired by their personality, their story, and 21 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: I have to I interviewed them on one of my 22 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: other platforms, and I said, Michael, Atlanta and everybody on 23 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: the streaming platform we got to hear your story, man, 24 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: because you are very impressive. Now. Now you started out 25 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: in Florida, correct, tell us your story. 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: Yes, I started out in Miami, Florida, and a little 27 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: part of the town of Miami called Liberty City, which 28 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 2: is a lower socioeconomic part of this city. And from 29 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: there I spreaded my roots out into Tallahassee, Florida, through 30 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 2: Florida and m University, and then I eventually settled here 31 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 2: in Atlanta. 32 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: That's the cliffno version, You're just gonna just blow past 33 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: all this other stuff. You know, he went from low 34 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: income next year he had fam you now in Atlanta 35 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: and he's a real estate tackle. Good night, folks, Michael, 36 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: you do my audience like that. You go back, take 37 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: your behind back delivery City. Go back, delivery City. Start 38 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 1: talking about them pickle fed feats that you were eating 39 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: as a kid. Come on now, talk to us. 40 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: Hey, I didn't know if y'all was ready. 41 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: For all that. 42 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 2: I thought that was gonna be part of your question. 43 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: Now you know what I mean. But I mean I 44 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 2: could go back and dress that, you know, to circle back. 45 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 2: I started out in Liberty City and we were in 46 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 2: the small part of the Liberty City called the Poking 47 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: Bean Projects, that's the nickname. It was one of the 48 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: worst projects in Miami. And my grandmother was the candy 49 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: lady there in the Poking Bean Projects. And as Shaw said, 50 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 2: we we we we sold out of that house in 51 00:02:54,160 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 2: the project pickle pig feets, We sold clips you want 52 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: to call them sludgy water ice, you know, depending on 53 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 2: where you go in the country. I ain't got boogie now, 54 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: I know people call it different things, but we called 55 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: we called them frozen cups. And then of course you 56 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: had all the nickel candies and penny cookies and all 57 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. So that's where I learned a 58 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: little business. You know. I learned how to deal with people, 59 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 2: treat people good, and you know, a matter of fact, 60 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: I learned how to help people because even though it 61 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: was illegal, we all know that that's still helping the community. 62 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: You know. 63 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: But you're living in the food desk. Is though you're 64 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: living in the food desert. 65 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: Now, yeah, exactly, you're in the food desert, and you know, so, 66 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 2: you know, I learned a lot from that experience, and 67 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: you know, so many of those those attributes that I 68 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: had or I learned, I still carry with me today. 69 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: Now, Now, the interesting thing I bought you is that 70 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: you spent some time in the military. 71 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: Correct very brief. 72 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, Now I did get out. 73 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: That was my ticket out of the hood, right, And 74 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: my parents were poor. Well, I didn't think they could 75 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: afford college, and you know, I wasn't enough with here. 76 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: I didn't pay attention to all the financial aid stuff 77 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,679 Speaker 2: and the scholarship information. You know, I was busy chasing girls, 78 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 2: and I worked, and I kept a pocket full of 79 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 2: money and things like that, and that's that's what I 80 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: focused on. So I had to pay the piper, so 81 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:27,119 Speaker 2: to speak. 82 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: Well, you know, the interesting thing about you is that 83 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: along the way in your conversation, you know, I just 84 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: see your personality. You know, you never felt like where 85 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: you was at and the slang way with me, I 86 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: grew up in the hood. But all I have is 87 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: just great stories about the hood, you know. You know, 88 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: I can just laugh and laugh and laugh. And so 89 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: many times you just hear people when you go to 90 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: the media talk about the hood like it's dangerous. And 91 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: I'm not saying any place is dangerous. Let's be real. Now, 92 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: they are celebrities who go on trips, come back in 93 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: their houses robbed. Okay, so so know that. But what 94 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you is that it just felt like 95 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: a lot of love in your community. Talk about that. 96 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, in our community, we had a lot of love. 97 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 3: You know. 98 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 2: We had adults that made sure that the children were 99 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 2: supposed to do what they were supposed to do. Sometimes 100 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 2: you know, you see you know, miss Flag or mister 101 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: Flag whatever, you know, neighbor, they sitting on a porch, 102 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: they give you a couple of coins. You know, you 103 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 2: went to your friend house and it was five thirty 104 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 2: six o'clock. You just want to play ball, but Mama say, hey, 105 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: come on in here. Were about to eat first, right, 106 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: you know. So, you know, I grew up in that 107 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 2: village concept. So even as an adult today, I have 108 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:46,799 Speaker 2: that village mentality that we're all together, We in this together. 109 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: And you know, many times poor people they don't realize 110 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 2: they're poor. Everybody in the same boat, you know. So 111 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 2: that's the way I was raised. Most of my friends 112 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 2: were poor. We had a few peopeople that were outliers. 113 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: You know that that parents did really, really well but 114 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: the majority of my friends were poor. Even though you know, 115 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: let me be clear, we did move out of the projects, 116 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: but we lived a couple blocks away from the project. 117 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: Right, We're still same black people. We're still so same 118 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: black people. You know, everybody's still black. 119 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: Man. That happened to me, brother, everybody's still black. Everybody's 120 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: shooting bad. But we did. We did what we had 121 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 2: to do to survive. And so even when I went 122 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 2: to college, anybody who knows me at FAMU, they would 123 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: tell you they knew me for two reasons. One, I 124 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: had a little boy I was walking around campus with 125 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: all the time. You know, that was my son. I 126 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 2: was a teen father, and I took them to school 127 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 2: with me, so they knew me because of him. But 128 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: they also knew because my house was always open. I 129 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: knew how to cook, so I would cook for a 130 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 2: lot of my friends, and and people at fam you 131 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 2: that they knew that's what you do. You want to 132 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: have good time, go over there. You know we're gonna 133 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 2: be watching the game, we're gonna be grilling, We're gonna 134 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: do those things because I had again goes back to 135 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: that work ethic that I learned from grandmother and business, 136 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: so I was able to get the higher paying jobs 137 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: in college and most of my college friends, so I 138 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: was able to afford to open my doors to different people. 139 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: See isn't that story much better than the story you 140 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: opened up with. Now let's go to the entrepreneurial side. 141 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: You know when you first started getting into renovations and 142 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: home ownership, and that started in your college days, correct, Correct? 143 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: That started in my college days. At twenty years old, 144 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: I bought my first piece of property. It was a duplex. 145 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 2: I renovated one side and rented it out and that 146 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: tenant paid the mortgage for me. So, you know, I was, 147 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: I was a little ahead of my time, you know, 148 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: where most of my friends still lived at home with 149 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: their parents and a few might have had apartments here 150 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: and there. But I had a house, right house I was, 151 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: And I went to community college while I had my house. 152 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: And then you know, I bought another house. And so 153 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: about twenty three years old, I was on my way 154 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 2: to just building a little real estate portfolio. 155 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: And you know, you know, you know, you know, you 156 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: know our friends now, you know, come on now, Michael, 157 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: come on brother, Look at your clothes, man, look at 158 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: what you ride. Now, come on, man, what you doing, brother? 159 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: Spend some of that money on you? Talk to us 160 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: about that. 161 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: That's what I was about to get into. What a ride? No, 162 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: you know, one of the mistakes I made, and I 163 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: tell people all the time, you know, one of the 164 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: mistakes I made. I always had a new car every year. 165 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I probably had some kind of 166 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: fixed a fixation on that new car. Sent So I 167 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 2: bought a new car every year, you know. And I 168 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: had a car, had trucks. I had a lot of 169 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: vehicles like that. Had I not made those poor decisions, 170 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 2: my portfolio would be would be better today, be a 171 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: lot stronger. So when I teach young people about, you know, 172 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 2: investment strategies and how to get rich quick, one of 173 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 2: the first things I tell them is, don't buy stupid stuff. 174 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: You know, you don't have to have the latest automobile 175 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: and the name brand clothes. Past that stuff up. You'll 176 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: pass that up and build your real estate portfolio. Don't 177 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: do stupid stuff. Don't go to the club and buy 178 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 2: the bar trying to impress your frame. Those are the 179 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 2: things you do. Those are the steps you have to 180 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 2: take if you want to be rich in the end 181 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: or you want to have a nice real estate portfolio 182 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 2: where you can retire early. 183 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: But you know, but you know it, but you know, 184 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: but that's a young person. Like you said, you're taking 185 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: care of your son and fam. You you know, you 186 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: got a small real estate portfolio. But the only advice 187 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: you got you gotta get that new cost smell. You 188 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: gotta get that new cost smell. And I understand that. Man, 189 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: when you you know something, when you come from that's 190 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: basically when you come from nothing, and you really, you know, 191 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: if something drives you to at least make you feel 192 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: good about yourself. So I'm not mad at you. I'm 193 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: not mad at you. Weren't born with a self respoon 194 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: and so along the way, you have to be able 195 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: to satisfy your work ethic, your success. And those automobiles 196 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: were goals setters for you. That's how I saw. 197 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: It as because if. 198 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: You could buy that, that means that you're winning. And 199 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: if you're winning, that means that you can set new 200 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: goals because along the way, you never stop moving forward. 201 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: Talk to us about that, Michael. 202 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know, I had my cars, and I 203 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: worked a little bit in corporate. I worked at law 204 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: on law firms and going to work. I had a 205 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: nice car, but I tell you my car didn't line 206 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 2: up nearly as close to some of these lawyers I saw. 207 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: You know, I had a nice little Lissa on top 208 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: of the line, and you know I had a nice 209 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 2: truck and all that kind of stuff. But then cats 210 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: they drive it like ferraris and test the wolfsters, and 211 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: you know, their admins are driving fancy cars. And I said, 212 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: I can't live my life like this. I need to 213 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: be on that level. What is it that they did 214 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: to get where they are? And how can I get there? 215 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 2: That was my billion dollar question? 216 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 1: And what was your answer? 217 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 2: I knew through education I can do it. I knew 218 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: through education I can do it. And that's why I 219 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: ended up at Florida and M University. And you know, 220 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: I didn't necessarily take the road because my goal was 221 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: to go and do architecture, finish architecture, and be a 222 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: real estate attorney. And that's how I was going to 223 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: get rich. That was my goal. And I ran into 224 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: one of my great professors. He was coming home from 225 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 2: his PhD up in Indiana, so we were only a 226 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: year a year and a half apart in age, but 227 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: he was finishing his PHDN. He was my professor, and 228 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 2: he asked me. He said, why do you want to 229 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: go to law school? I said, because I want to 230 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 2: make some money. He said, well, do you want to 231 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: make money? Well, at first I told him I want 232 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: to make a difference. You know, we never tell a 233 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 2: person the real truth. You can try to. 234 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: Get I want to make a difference a law and order, 235 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: a difference save my people, save my people, to. 236 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: Be politically correct. He said, so do you want to 237 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 2: make a difference do you want to make some money? 238 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 2: I said, well, I kind of want to do both. 239 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 2: He said, well, I'm gonna tell you. He said, unless 240 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: you at the top of your law school, you're not 241 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 2: gonna be Johnny Cochran. He said, you're gonna end up 242 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 2: down there at the county working one hundred plus cases, 243 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: one hundred hours a week, and you're gonna be overwhelmed. 244 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 2: He said, you can become a college professor, and you 245 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 2: can make the same amount of money and work half 246 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 2: amount of time. And and I did not believe him, 247 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 2: but he gave me his book. He say, take this 248 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: book and look at it. It's called Occupational Outlook Handbook. 249 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 2: I took that book Home. But that book by the 250 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: stickers and yellow pages. I know I'm telling my age here. 251 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 2: You know, hopefully all your listeners know what the yellow 252 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 2: pages are, but you know that book was sticking to 253 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 2: yellow page. But any profession you can imagine if you 254 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 2: looked it up, it gave you all the information for 255 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 2: that particular profession. And that was the greatest probably book 256 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: I ever read. And that's it was. It was just 257 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 2: life changing. 258 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: Wow. 259 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 2: And that's why I decided to do a career in 260 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 2: education versus one in law. 261 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: Cool that thought because the story of him becoming a 262 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: Lows contractor. When we get back now, this personality has 263 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:02,239 Speaker 1: paid off of him over and over again. Michael Woodwood. 264 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: This man is very special. He's risen through the ranks 265 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: and he's telling the story on Money Making Conversations Masterclass. 266 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 3: Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more 267 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 3: Money Making Conversations Masterclass. Welcome back to the Money Making 268 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 3: Conversations Masterclass hosted by Rashaan McDonald. Money Making Conversations Masterclass 269 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 3: continues online at Moneymakingconversations dot com and follow money Making 270 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 3: Conversations Masterclass on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. 271 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: Welcome back to money making conversations masterclass. Like I said, 272 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: my guest is a natural born entrepreneur and community leader. 273 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: He's a full service home improvement and property management company. 274 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: Tell us about that, Michael. 275 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 2: Your company, well, my company was born out of some 276 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 2: things I learned as a use. When I was young, 277 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: I went to work with my grandfather. My grandfather was 278 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: the head groundskeeper for or the head maintenance guy for 279 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: the in Palm Beach where all the all the rich 280 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: folks were, and so on saturdays, that's how we get 281 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 2: my little hustle money is. I would go to work 282 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: with him and he would teach me how to fix 283 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: on houses or work on houses. Him and my great uncle. 284 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: You know, they worked me all day man, and you know, 285 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 2: from son up to sundown, give me ten dollars. But 286 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 2: I was happy. I could go to the moves and 287 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 2: hang out with my cousins and. 288 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: All that you are telling you, you give you work 289 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: a black kid today, that's up and down, and they 290 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: will be fighting you. 291 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 2: Right. There had to be some kind of child labor 292 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 2: law by lot. 293 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: Up Continue, sir, continue. 294 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: So that's how I learned how to work on houses. 295 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 2: And then you know, my parents they would always let 296 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 2: me test stuff up in the house and fix it. 297 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 2: You know, my dad was of the notion that if 298 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: it's not broke, we're not gonna call anybody. We're gonna 299 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: try to fix it first, you know, and it's gonna 300 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: be good and broke by the time we actually have 301 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: to call somebody. So I learned. I learned how to 302 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 2: fix a lot of things at a young age. So 303 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 2: that's how I was able to just you know, dive 304 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: right into the real estate thing. So you know, as 305 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 2: we continue along, I I would buy rental properties. Every 306 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: few years, I'd buy another one, another one as I 307 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 2: went through my career as an educator, and then eventually 308 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: I rose to the position of assistant principle and I 309 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: was making more money on my rental properties then as 310 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: an assistant principal. So you know, many days I would 311 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: be working at night painting, putting in floors, you know, 312 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 2: renovating kitchens, things like that, and then I come to 313 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 2: teach school kids the next day, you know, coach wrestling, 314 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 2: coach football. But I'd be I'd be doing all those things. 315 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: And that's how I really got into the business. And 316 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 2: it came to a point where I made a choice, 317 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 2: and you know, I decided to leave the school system, 318 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 2: and that's how I ended up starting Woodward Property Group. 319 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: I left just to manage my business, my my properties, 320 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 2: and then I would through social media just start posting 321 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: jobs and people start calling it, you know, like hey, 322 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 2: I saw that you did this job on one of 323 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 2: your properties. You know, you renovate that kitchen? Can you 324 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 2: do mine? Can you do my bathroom? 325 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 3: Like that? 326 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 2: And that's that's exactly how it started. 327 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: Just you know, you want to loose top contractors. How 328 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: did that come about? Because you know so many you know, 329 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: minority businesses are trying to seek a relationship with companies 330 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: like that. How were you able to pull that off? 331 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 2: Man? This is funny. I have to set this one 332 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 2: up for you because this what involves you. Actually you 333 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 2: didn't even know. And I found this out today when 334 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 2: I send out the marketing. I have a buddy and 335 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: I'm gonna drop his name. His name's Keith Fowler. Keith 336 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 2: Fowler is a contractor. And you know he was good 337 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 2: at fixing stuff or renovating. He was better than me 338 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 2: because he did this. That's all he's done all his life. See, 339 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 2: I did this part time for twenty years, but he 340 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,239 Speaker 2: did it all his life. So anyway, I ended up 341 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 2: doing some work for this guy that was a marketing 342 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: district director for los and he liked my work on 343 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 2: his house and he said, hey, don't you want to 344 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 2: come work for loads? I say, I tried to get on, 345 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 2: but you know, y'all never called me up. You said 346 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 2: you was full. I wanted to be installed. He said, oh, no, 347 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: you don't want to be an installer. You want to 348 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 2: do our kitchen in the bathroom design. I said, okay, 349 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: I'll come kitchen in the bathroom. You know how a 350 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 2: land is people talk, man, everybody just you know, say 351 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 2: they gonna do this and do that, and now don't 352 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 2: do nothing. But they called me up. Long story short, 353 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 2: they called me up, and I go down in an 354 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 2: interview and the guy asked me, not him, but another 355 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 2: guy asked me. He said, do you know how to 356 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 2: build kitchens? I said, yeah, I know how to build kitchens. 357 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 2: You know I build bathrooms. Yes, I could be a bathroom. 358 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 2: Can you build high end kitchens? I'm saying in my mind, hey, 359 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: I ain't not a build no high end kitchen. And 360 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: I don't know what he talking about a high end kitchen. 361 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 2: You know. So my answer was, yeah, I could build 362 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 2: a high end kitchen. 363 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we gonna. 364 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 2: Take you off. So I went to my buddy, who 365 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: I know does high end kitchen because he does custom work. 366 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 2: And he told me today that he did some work 367 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 2: at your house a number of years ago. When he 368 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: saw the marketing that I put out today about me 369 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 2: being on the show. He said, yeah, I've been there 370 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 2: with Sean McDonald's top about this pantry form. I built 371 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 2: the pantry form. 372 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: And absolutely, absolutely, absolutely absolutely that's awesome. That's awesome. Tell 373 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: him a coffee. I may need his services again. 374 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: No, you ain't call to him, no more to me, 375 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: because you. 376 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: Because you're high end that, because you're high in that. 377 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: So I went to him. I said, look, Keith, I 378 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 2: got this problem, man, I got this account with Lows 379 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: and they want me to do a high end kitchen. 380 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 2: But I don't know if I could do high end kitchen. 381 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 2: He said, ah, man, don't worry about it. I help you. Yeah, 382 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 2: I know. That's why I came to you, relationship relationships. 383 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 2: So I got that contract and here and I did 384 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 2: so many kitchen man, it's just not funny. We did 385 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: so many kitchens to hidden kitchens, you know, like I 386 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 2: told you from the projects, Man, I ain't never know 387 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: they had two hundred thousand dollars kitchens. 388 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: Yes they do, Yes do. And I'm gonna tell you something. 389 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: My wife loves that pantry. She loves that. That pantry 390 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: is beautiful. I'm gonna tell you, man, that loves she loves. 391 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: That's our favorite. That's one of our favorite parts of 392 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: our house, that pantry. Just let him know that he 393 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: went in there. This a little narrow room that he Man, 394 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: everything works in that little room, you know, walks away. 395 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: It's one of them showcase rooms. You look, coming come 396 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: on in my pantry. 397 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: Okay, I know it's good. He does great work, man. 398 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, But you know the thing about it, Michael, what 399 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: the story I wanted people to hear that you're telling 400 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: people is that, first of all, you have not changed. 401 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: You're the same young man that they pickle pig feet. 402 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: Now he got mad at me, y'all because I told 403 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: everybody I eat chiddlings. Then he gonna look at me 404 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: like I got a problem. You eat chitlings. Yes, I 405 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: eat chitlings, But he eat pickle big feat. He also 406 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,719 Speaker 1: eats with a pepmin stick in the middle. See Beman 407 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: stick in the middle. He is by this country as 408 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: you can get. I don't know how you can get 409 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: that deep in Florida and be that country, but they 410 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: found the way down at Liberty City. But the beauty 411 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: of him is that he has a massed of real 412 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: estate portfolio. He has a property management company. And I 413 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: know we have a few minutes left, but I gotta 414 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: let everybody here about how you take students to HPCUS 415 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: and you educate people about the students and young people 416 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: about the opportunities on campus. Out your doll out your pocket. 417 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: Tell us about that as we exit the. 418 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 2: Interview, Sir, Yeah, what I did was every year of 419 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 2: my twenty year career in the education, I took students 420 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 2: on college tours. We took students on summer programs which 421 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 2: would occur on different college campuses, and we teach a math, 422 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: science technology so STEM programs. But one of the things 423 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 2: I've learned from my tutoring service was that a lot 424 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 2: of students need to set foot on campus to understand. 425 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 2: Because I taught at Northcross High School, right I had 426 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 2: students that had never been to the AU Center, and 427 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 2: that was just unimaginable to me. But then I can 428 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 2: look back at my past being from Miami, I didn't 429 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 2: think college was possible for me. Yes, Fam, you came 430 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 2: down and they played in the Orange Bowl, and we 431 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 2: had the band that you used tocumb and had a 432 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: parade and all that. But going to college was just 433 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 2: a dream and college was far from me from Miami. Fam, 434 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 2: you is, you know, a six eight hour drive from Miami. 435 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 2: But these folks from North Cross not going to the 436 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:55,239 Speaker 2: h I mean the Au Center thirty minutes down. So 437 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 2: we started off taking them there and then as we 438 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: grew with our men were in programmed. We met with 439 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 2: the kids every Saturday and Sunday and we groomed them 440 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 2: for college so that their choices would be college, military, 441 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 2: or trade school. Those were their their choices. So we 442 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 2: prepared them from middle school all the way through high school, 443 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 2: and we met with them in the fall and in 444 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 2: the summer. We took them to football games, we took 445 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 2: them on college tours, and you know, we had a 446 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 2: ninety nine point nine percent success rate. Every kid went 447 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 2: to college for our program, and the only one that 448 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 2: didn't go to college they went to culinary school. But 449 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 2: all of our kids went to congradulate. So that's what 450 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 2: I did, and I've given every spring break and every 451 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 2: summer as an educated to those kids. We've had some 452 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 2: great times, some great buses. 453 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: Can you tell everybody about your website, your property management website, 454 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: your renovation website. I got to close out to show, yes. 455 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 2: Sir, madam, what property dot com? What propertygroup dot com? 456 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 2: Is the website Woodwork Propertygroup dot com? And you can 457 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 2: find us there and now I will definitely return your call. 458 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 2: We return calls the same day. 459 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: My brother, You're special. I appreciate you coming on the 460 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: show again. Money Making Conversations Massacreare you one of a kind? 461 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 2: I thank you, yes, sir, thank you for having me. 462 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: This has been another edition of money Making Conversation Masterclass 463 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: hosted by me Rashawn McDonald. Thank you to our guests 464 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: on the show today and thank you our listening to 465 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: audience now. If you want to listen to any episodes 466 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: or want to be a guest on the show, visit 467 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: Moneymakingconversations dot com. Our social media handle is money Making Conversations. 468 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: Join us next week and remember to always leave with 469 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: your gifts. 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