WEBVTT - They'd Already Disappeared w/ Blake DeLong

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yay, that's messed up. An SVU podcast and another episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Liza Traeger.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm Kara Klank and we are talking SVU episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>a little intro. And it is December two if you're

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<v Speaker 1>listening to this day one, and that is Britney Spears's birthday,

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<v Speaker 1>So happy Birthday, Britney Spears.

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<v Speaker 2>And also it is World's AIDS Day as well. But

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<v Speaker 2>I focus on the Brandy, thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think about AIDS all the other days of the Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're always thinking about it. And uh yeah, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>Happy birthday, brit brit I'm still nervous every time I

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<v Speaker 1>see one of her video Kevin.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just like I hate you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>just it just kind of sucks when you have kids

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<v Speaker 2>with the dirt bag you date in your bad Girl era. Yeah, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>then you're tied to this man who has nothing. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure he sucked her well twenty years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, that's not someone you want to have children with.

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<v Speaker 4>A white man in a do rag.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, he seems like he offers very little

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<v Speaker 1>to the planet besides, you know, and then he's acts

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<v Speaker 1>like a book deals.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand people who would buy the book. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like read a synopsis online.

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<v Speaker 4>But whatever. Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, so, I mean, it's wild when Instagram wants to

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<v Speaker 2>flager not for appropriate or inappropriate. But I'm going ham

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<v Speaker 2>all over the internet going it's not sex with children,

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<v Speaker 2>it's rape.

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<v Speaker 4>Sex implies consent. Children can't consent.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, eighty times a day on every post

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<v Speaker 2>they see. It's just like we need to change the language.

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<v Speaker 2>It's rape. They've raped. You cannot have sex with children,

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<v Speaker 2>Megan Kelly, Your children should be taken out of your home.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that Child Projective Services is not in her

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<v Speaker 2>home doing wellness checks is psychotic.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought about you know what I thought about immediately

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<v Speaker 1>when I saw that.

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<v Speaker 2>Clip was the two year old child being taken away

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<v Speaker 2>from her mother because the dad was abusive. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought about that, and how we're letting this fucking pedophile

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<v Speaker 2>defender have teenagers in her home.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, no, I didn't even think about that.

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<v Speaker 1>What I was thinking of was how one time we

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<v Speaker 1>looked something up in like People magazine, I have had

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<v Speaker 1>all the differentiating types of pedophilia.

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<v Speaker 4>It was worse than what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like a fun article about different fetishes and

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunately one of them was wanting to be a pedophile.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them was like girls that are fourteen to

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen and it's like what like? And you wrote an

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<v Speaker 1>email and it got taken down. The article was taken down. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because it was. But I thought about that because I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, look at this mother. I cannot believe this

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<v Speaker 1>fucking dumb bitch trying to excuse.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I think about othelia.

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<v Speaker 2>For some reason, people don't love promising young women as

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<v Speaker 2>much as I do.

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<v Speaker 4>And what it do for me, Yeah, I loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>You gave me a bunch of merch from it, because

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<v Speaker 2>I think like Kumel got gifted it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, didn't need the mug, but I did.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love when It's like Connie Britton has all

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<v Speaker 2>these beliefs about boys will be boys, and then as

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<v Speaker 2>soon as it's implied that her daughter was dropped off

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<v Speaker 2>with all those guys in their dorm room, suddenly she's

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<v Speaker 2>flipping out and having an shoe. And that's what I

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<v Speaker 2>thought about that. It's like you're stumping for these ideas

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<v Speaker 2>where it's like, well, give them your daughter, then yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>give them your daughter. Then you want all these other

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<v Speaker 2>daughters being victimized, Like what are we doing here?

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<v Speaker 4>So gross?

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<v Speaker 1>And like just the way that they've gone after gay community,

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<v Speaker 1>the gay community, drag queens, acting like calling everybody groomers,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you're like, fifteen is different.

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking to someone who's more optimistic than me.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, they're not gonna rest. It's gonna come out,

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<v Speaker 2>and she goes, we'll be ready. It's gonna be people

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<v Speaker 2>you like from hot I go, there's no that surprise me.

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<v Speaker 2>But I I'm like, get the list, get them all

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<v Speaker 2>out of here, deep Bok show. But she thinks that

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<v Speaker 2>it's not gonna rest and they're gonna have to put

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<v Speaker 2>it out. But I don't think they're gonna I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>but they Also, I don't know how much more evidence

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<v Speaker 2>you need the files versus these like I don't understand

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<v Speaker 2>seem very telling, but I just need him going, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I used to go into the dressing room of teen USA,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's all I like.

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<v Speaker 4>I also just I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know why people need more and more evidence. I just

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<v Speaker 2>hope this all comes out. I hope these people are

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<v Speaker 2>I hope we bring down a pedophile ring, like I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand why.

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<v Speaker 1>But the only thing I'm gradly I feel like there

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<v Speaker 1>can be video of it happening and he could get

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<v Speaker 1>it with. I really truly think they're in a cult.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's like people going, there's gonna be some of

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<v Speaker 1>the guys you like in there. I'm not in a cult.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care if Bill Clinton goes to jail if

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<v Speaker 1>there is few like you know, I mean, put Obama

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<v Speaker 1>in jail, if you have proof of Obama fucking molesting kids,

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<v Speaker 1>like do you know what I mean? There's no teams like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we gotta protect our guys, Like.

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<v Speaker 4>No, yeah, people forget that. I'm not. I mean, I know,

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<v Speaker 4>like we know about.

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<v Speaker 2>Parents that fucking sell their children to pedophile Like no,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing will surprise me anymore. But what I am The

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<v Speaker 2>one positive of this that I'm into is now if

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<v Speaker 2>any if I meet anyone that supports this administration anything,

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<v Speaker 2>be like okay, pedophile, okay, pedophile. I like just being

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<v Speaker 2>able to talk about Trump sucking Bill Clinton's dick, like

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of insults and arguments like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you even walk me through that?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I think I missed like the source material on that,

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<v Speaker 1>like the email says he's like a throat goat or

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<v Speaker 1>like what's the.

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<v Speaker 2>So the email is like, Hey, did Putin have those

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<v Speaker 2>photos of Trump like going down up blowing Bubba? And

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<v Speaker 2>I guess Bubba is Bill Clayton, And yeah, so that's

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<v Speaker 2>all I saw. I'm not really looking into anything because

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<v Speaker 2>I knew he was a rape.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't need this evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, never, it's that of it's surprising, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>the one thing I can be. Like I'm dreaming of

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<v Speaker 2>walking into the cellar and having the podcasters sitting there,

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe during a fest the holiday, Like I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to be like, are you guys talking about what

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<v Speaker 2>pedophile you want to have on your podcast next? Like

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<v Speaker 2>I want to start harassing people with this and so

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm excited about, being like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't you vote for the pedophile? That's so funny. That's

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<v Speaker 2>so funny. So I'm excited for like being able to

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<v Speaker 2>go low and be insulting, be rude to people.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can already see like the Megan Helly, the

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<v Speaker 1>podcasters on their side, I've seen this clip many times

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<v Speaker 1>of this guy going having sex with a fifteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old horrific, right, horrific two hundred years ago, totally normal.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm just saying things change, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but things have changed, I know, but they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to normalize this, like that's stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>They want flavery back and they want women not to vote,

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, they want to bring it all back.

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<v Speaker 4>They'll figure out a fucking way that whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Jonald Well, that girl should have been wearing that

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<v Speaker 1>and convinced it and told him that she was eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like it's gonna not be his fault, Like

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<v Speaker 1>that's the cult.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, they're gonna find a way.

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<v Speaker 1>Cults find a way like Jurassic plush g assholes.

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<v Speaker 2>I also, like said before for Bravo, Kanna wrote, Nia

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<v Speaker 2>and Danny are bad people. They're evangelicals, and people are

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<v Speaker 2>like all evangelicals, I go, get out of your pedophile cult.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I've been activated in a way that I've I've

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<v Speaker 2>always been, but it's easier now because they're all pedophiles.

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<v Speaker 2>It's obvious and you want to defend them. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>I say about cal you know, it's like what I've

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<v Speaker 2>been doing about religion, but now it's like, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the one.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, thank you to everybody for sending us

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<v Speaker 1>the amazing tweet or thread or whatever it is of

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<v Speaker 1>somebody going I want Marishka Hargete to read the Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>list out loud, like that's absolutely one hundred percent tea

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<v Speaker 1>and should be happening. There's no other person like she

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<v Speaker 1>should read it out loud. It should be an audiobook

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<v Speaker 1>available for free that gets put on all of our iPods,

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<v Speaker 1>like all of our phones, like the U two album

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<v Speaker 1>We Just Wake Up and the Epstein Files are read

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<v Speaker 1>by Marishka on our phones.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also like the people being like no I believe women,

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<v Speaker 2>so like I heard these women say it, so I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, what what do you what more.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you want? Oh my god? It all And.

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<v Speaker 2>Pedophile cults like I don't know. I think I've been

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<v Speaker 2>emboldened even more.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 4>Also, congrats were the Tommies.

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<v Speaker 2>I hear, I'm on the phone the Tommy excited people

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<v Speaker 2>are the poll is good.

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<v Speaker 1>People are like being the Tommies. People are messaging that

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<v Speaker 1>it's perfect. I mean, look, we're not at one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent on the vote, but we're not gonna please everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people wanted us to be the Barberas and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that. I like the Tommies there. I like it

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<v Speaker 1>the Tommys out. They're woven throughout the entire series. There's Tommy's.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, ever mad. I'm like, everyone's raving. Eighty two

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<v Speaker 1>people voted.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, it's over up for a minute, no I know,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm like it's overwhelming.

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<v Speaker 4>It's done. Where the Tommy?

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're just listening to this, go to our

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram and on the post for the episode Desperate, which

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<v Speaker 1>at this point will be a couple of weeks old.

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<v Speaker 1>You can tell let us know if you are down

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<v Speaker 1>with the new name for the TMU. Tommy's. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>we're calling our listeners. We're gonna start opening the pod

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<v Speaker 1>going what's up Tommy's and uh, that's it. We finally

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<v Speaker 1>did it. Episode two d and fifty nine is what

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<v Speaker 1>it took for us to come up with a name

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<v Speaker 1>for our listeners to fifty nine where the Tommy's.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I did last week?

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<v Speaker 1>I got a scalp like clean you know, have you

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<v Speaker 1>ever ever is this popping up in New York? This

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<v Speaker 1>is like big out here, like scalp spas. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to go and they take this camera, uh, and they

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<v Speaker 1>show you your scalp like magnified by a thousand, and

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of want to throw up a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can't. You It's crazy. How the strands of

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<v Speaker 1>your hair. I think to myself, I've got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of hair. There's so much space in this between in

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<v Speaker 1>between each strand of hair, There's so much space.

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<v Speaker 4>And they were like telling me.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like, they were like, how often do you usher?

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, look, I only wash my hair once

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<v Speaker 1>a week. I have really thick hair, like it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>get greasy. Like it's better for me to only wash

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<v Speaker 1>once a week. They're like, great, you should shampoo twice.

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<v Speaker 1>They were giving me some tips. They give you this

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<v Speaker 1>really really like crazy. They just shampoo your hair like

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of times foam. They like they tell you

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<v Speaker 1>not to scratch your scalp like when you're washing your hair,

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<v Speaker 1>but to just use the tips of your fingers, like

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<v Speaker 1>don't use your nails. But it was it was like

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<v Speaker 1>a spot like I was, I was on a table.

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<v Speaker 1>I went with a friend. We were like lying on

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<v Speaker 1>a table with like a couple's massage, and they like

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<v Speaker 1>rubbed my arms down and stuff a little bit, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was mostly scalp based.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you go with clean hair? Obviously you're like no, no, no, no, dirty.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 1>I went with dirty because I was like they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>wash it, you know, okay, and they blow dry it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing about this place that I went to.

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<v Speaker 1>They do blow dry it and they have like a

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<v Speaker 1>fancy dyce in but they don't do it. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>style it. They just dry it so you don't go

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<v Speaker 1>outside wet. So I left with like puff hair, but

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<v Speaker 1>my hair felt very clean. But I just stopped like

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<v Speaker 1>did it myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I would do that next time I'm in LA, I

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<v Speaker 2>would get a scalp because I'm nasty.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, we're recording.

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<v Speaker 2>This is from Wednesday when I got my gray covered

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<v Speaker 2>and I've gone through three workouts since. Yeah, but I

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of started following what you do where I've

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<v Speaker 2>been reblow drying dirty hair and then dry shampooing it

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<v Speaker 2>and then driving it out. Yeah, and was it just

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<v Speaker 2>curls are harder for me? But anyways, so yeah, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a six day old blow dry.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you but like also I use products, so

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<v Speaker 1>there's like build up on my scalp, Like I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was like, I feel my scalp feels

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<v Speaker 1>very clean.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm I'm this is not an ad.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not fair, but I feel like I keep saying

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<v Speaker 1>people talking about these and if you have popped up

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<v Speaker 1>in LA and I was wondering if it was like

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<v Speaker 1>a thing in New York because I was telling my

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<v Speaker 1>sister too.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, you got to go to one of

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<v Speaker 4>these scouts.

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<v Speaker 2>But by Gotham Comedy Club I found, well, someone mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>it and then I clocked it. And it's a massage

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<v Speaker 2>place and a foot massage place that's open till eleven,

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<v Speaker 2>which means I could like do a spot, go get

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<v Speaker 2>a fucking foot massage, and then go to another spot.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to try to make that part of

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<v Speaker 2>my routine. So I'll keep you posted on what I

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<v Speaker 2>do there. I did go to the corner store. I

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<v Speaker 2>went to the corner store. Guys, I went to the

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<v Speaker 2>corner store. You're acting like you don't know what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It is it. It's like it's a restaurant where celebrities

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<v Speaker 2>go in New York. It's Taylor Swift goes there, Lady Gaga,

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<v Speaker 2>but Taylor goes there a lot, and it's like lines

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<v Speaker 2>out the door.

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<v Speaker 4>You have to get like line start at four o'clock

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<v Speaker 4>and everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Sin saying it's in Soho and Ali mckofsky comedian friend,

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<v Speaker 2>she got a reservation.

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<v Speaker 4>It is so bad. It is so all the hype.

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<v Speaker 2>And I again, I'm reminded celebrities have bad taste, because

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<v Speaker 2>remember I went to the the sushi place in the

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<v Speaker 2>Strip mall. That was hundreds of dollars that all the

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<v Speaker 2>celebs go to Sushi Plaza or Sushi Park or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I have had cheaper, better souit

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't get this. And then when I performed

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<v Speaker 2>at Costa Chipriani that's like a really rich person private club.

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<v Speaker 2>Again I was like this soon a tartar is like

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<v Speaker 2>it tastes like an airport. What the fuck is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>So it's another kind of more evidence that celebrities and

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<v Speaker 2>rich people do not eat or don't know how to

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<v Speaker 2>eat well, or this is like their cheesecake factory, or

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<v Speaker 2>it's their casual night because they're so rich, so like

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<v Speaker 2>to them, this is like, oh, let's just go have

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<v Speaker 2>some some of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and don't you think that like everything's pr two.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the people that started the restaurant know the publicist.

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<v Speaker 1>There's like get them to come in and blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I just And the thing is I ran into a

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<v Speaker 2>food guy earlier that day randomly, and I was with

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<v Speaker 2>another girl and he was like, Oh, the place sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>And then my other friend was like he's so negative,

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<v Speaker 2>like you're excited for a fun night out, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>fucking hate him, and I'm like, you're gonna be sad.

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<v Speaker 4>He was correct. So I'll say the French dip was good.

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<v Speaker 2>What they're the famous thing is a sour cream and

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<v Speaker 2>onion martini.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's what I got. My face is shocked. It

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't good at all.

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<v Speaker 2>What is in it? But they give you a few

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<v Speaker 2>chips on the side. It's just like disgusting. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what else to say, but it's just not good.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they have like a tomato one, but I

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<v Speaker 2>was like too scared to try it because of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I got like a their version of a porn

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<v Speaker 2>star martini, which was very good.

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<v Speaker 4>Those are good. I like porn stars. Those are really good. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I love passion fruit. Yeah, passion fruit.

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<v Speaker 2>We got lops. I mean, the lobster roll was fine. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>I've the the French dip was fine. I truly would

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<v Speaker 2>rather have an Italian beef from Pertillo's for twelve dollars

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<v Speaker 2>like it just yeah, because the sandwich was I think

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<v Speaker 2>forty like this little lobstros twice. It's not like it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't it was probably a two hundred fifty dollars meal.

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<v Speaker 4>Like you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think of like where I've gone that's

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<v Speaker 1>been like a celebrity place that's actually been good. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I remember back in the day going to mister Chow's

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<v Speaker 1>in New York and thinking it was really good. The

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<v Speaker 1>food was really good.

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<v Speaker 2>But I like Hillstone, Like there's things I'm also not

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<v Speaker 2>I eat fast food, so it's not like I'm that

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<v Speaker 2>hard like I like high end food, I like fancy food.

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<v Speaker 4>I respect the culinary art.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I also I'm like really happy with pretty

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<v Speaker 2>bad food. So I'm like, I know how to have

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<v Speaker 2>a good time, so for me to be like this, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So the caesar salad did come with bagel croutons and

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<v Speaker 2>it had balls of cream cheese that was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>hard on that side, so that was like interesting, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we had fries which were not good, and

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<v Speaker 2>then gries you're messing up fries. They were like two dark.

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<v Speaker 2>I just really didn't like it. The worst stratush sauce

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<v Speaker 2>was good. Oh and then they take the a zoo

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<v Speaker 2>like the brown gravy sauce to be fancy and they

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<v Speaker 2>pour it into a crystal from really high up, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's this like brown hot liquid or ask right, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, none of us need this.

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<v Speaker 4>They're doing like a fancy like cocktail pour on like gravy. Yeah, funny.

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<v Speaker 2>The font is great, I mean, the service was great,

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<v Speaker 2>Like the guy at the front was so hot or

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<v Speaker 2>bart like, everyone was really cute and nice and it

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<v Speaker 2>looked great and I loved the vibes but I did.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe it's because I built it.

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<v Speaker 2>Up.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sometimes I think it's that and because Taylor's there

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, what is going on?

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<v Speaker 4>What what's so special about this place? But I'm so rightful.

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<v Speaker 2>Allie got a reservation and I also I didn't tell

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<v Speaker 2>her I didn't love it. We got one more app

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like like, I feel like we got one

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<v Speaker 2>more thing. But no, that might be it. Maybe I

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<v Speaker 2>should have stuck with oysters or gotten a steak or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but if you're known for the dip,

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<v Speaker 2>like the French dip, I don't know, but maybe French dip.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, I used to serve it at a restaurant. I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't tell you. Is it like roast beef? Yeah, it's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like roast and I like horse radish on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, okay, but interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm grateful. We had a great time. I

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<v Speaker 2>took a pen. There was also a guy came in

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<v Speaker 2>and he was pretty attractive with like a woman and

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<v Speaker 2>they go, sorry, kitchen clothes, dude, are you know, total polite,

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<v Speaker 2>no attitude, no, like nothing. I was there watching he

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<v Speaker 2>leaves for a minute, comes back, and I could tell

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<v Speaker 2>he was pissed, and he goes to the bartender and

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<v Speaker 2>has like stern words and I could tell. So then

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<v Speaker 2>him and the door guy are talking and I'm listening.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, wait, what happened, guys, And basically he came

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<v Speaker 2>in and goes, this is bullshit. I played baseball for

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<v Speaker 2>the team in Atlanta, and it's like the Braves.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Braves.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's like, and the last time we came, they

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<v Speaker 2>kept the kitchen open. This is fucking bullshit. And it's like, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't gonna get you going, and you're probably like,

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<v Speaker 2>your date's probably drying up.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. Yeah, And also I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>There's just like one hundreds of guys in the in

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<v Speaker 1>Major League Baseball, Like if you're a.

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<v Speaker 4>Yankee, that's one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>No. They said someone from the Giants tried to get

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<v Speaker 2>in and they were like, you lost, bro, And I

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<v Speaker 2>go going out to dinner after a loss is disgusting,

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<v Speaker 2>and the door guy goes, listen, we're not We're not

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<v Speaker 2>in Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 4>No one gives a shit. I go, amen, Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>My gosh, wait, as of this episode coming out, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to see Yukon versus USC women's basketball.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, that will be pretty fun. Right are

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<v Speaker 4>you flying for it? Where are you going? No, it's

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<v Speaker 4>here in La. They're coming here.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm going to see Ice.

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<v Speaker 1>And like, uh, you know my friend so like mentors

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<v Speaker 1>this player on the UKO women's basketball team who I've

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<v Speaker 1>known since she was like twelve.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm going to see her.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm excited to see some women's basketball. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>very sporty. This is a big thing. I went and

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<v Speaker 1>got tickets on my own. You Oh my god, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>but are your friends coming? She's coming? But she sits

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<v Speaker 1>with the family. Oh, she sits with the families. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to see her about Like I'm a go

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<v Speaker 1>separate but really excited.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm excited. What else is up?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, I have nothing. It's not vaining in La for

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<v Speaker 1>five days. We have nothing, truly.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been recuperating from my Manhattan Monday last week.

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<v Speaker 4>So, like I'm older, it's taken a while.

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<v Speaker 1>When you sometimes have a night where you get so

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<v Speaker 1>fucked up and you're just like, this is actually going

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<v Speaker 1>to take a few days.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I'm struggling. I'm like looking at my calendar.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I did two spin classes on Sunday, which

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<v Speaker 2>is psycho in a day in a day. Well, because

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<v Speaker 2>my friend goes to cycle Bar. She's listening and she's

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<v Speaker 2>like she's been wanting me to go, and she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's Taylor, It'll be free, just please and how to

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<v Speaker 2>measure it?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I will say I had a great time.

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<v Speaker 2>The music was great, the teacher is awesome, Like she

0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.879
<v Speaker 2>was really really good, and I enjoy it. Was like

0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.879
<v Speaker 2>temperature wise cooler, like Soul Cycle gets really hot. But

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<v Speaker 2>I would say Cycle Bar is less cult like and

0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:59.000
<v Speaker 2>more just like a workout in people coming together, and

0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:03.119
<v Speaker 2>in soul I've feel like, I mean, yeah, I signed

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<v Speaker 2>up a six days in advance the moment it opens,

0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:09.359
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, I feel spiritually connected and I just like

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<v Speaker 2>love it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's your church, it is your temple, is the other

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<v Speaker 4>thing I.

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<v Speaker 2>Liked at Like for Soul Cycle, we have the weights

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<v Speaker 2>on our side, but you have to get the weights

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<v Speaker 2>from the frost, Like you have to fight for your

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<v Speaker 2>life to get a pair of fives.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like there's plenty of threes and eights with the fives,

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<v Speaker 2>like depending on what class and so that stress. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like and there the bar is like in the bike,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just it's more dark, it's more sexy. At Soul.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like a different vibe. But I cycle bar

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<v Speaker 2>and I would go back again. I want it, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm trying to get to three hundred classes by

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the year, so definitely not this year.

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<v Speaker 4>I have like a lot of work to do. Oh

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<v Speaker 4>my gosh. But because I.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't know how I would like it or not, I

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<v Speaker 2>still kept my five PM Soul cycle class.

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<v Speaker 4>And then attended and then attended it me I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>And then went to the corner store. So I was hungry.

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<v Speaker 2>I was ready to fucking eat, you know. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>then it didn't do it for you.

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<v Speaker 1>That sucks when you're like and like, we save up

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<v Speaker 1>all day for a great dinner, explos great. If we

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<v Speaker 1>just went out to eat and like fell into that place,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have maybe been like, oh, this was good.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, but it was a build up. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>build up where you can't get reservations. It's so hard.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't believe she got reservations. I was like so excited,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. It was like her and her boyfriend are

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<v Speaker 2>watching SVU from season one, on, they're like seven or

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<v Speaker 2>eight right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see anybody famous? Obviously you would have said,

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<v Speaker 1>I think if you saw anybody famously.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we were at the bar and it was actually

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<v Speaker 2>quite like. We weren't in the main dining room, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was towards the end of the night. Our reservation

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<v Speaker 2>was at nine. Oh yeah, So it was like pretty

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<v Speaker 2>chill and totally my vibe. And then I felt stupid

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<v Speaker 2>for how much time I thought about my outfit because

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<v Speaker 2>it was just a bar, but I was like, oh.

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<v Speaker 4>It's gonna be fair. I don't want to look this

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<v Speaker 4>or that. However, Wow, it's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh as a little Esther, I've been having fun. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I opened for a Little Esther on a Friday. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>you did, yeah, at the City Winery.

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<v Speaker 4>It was cute with those who don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like a comedian actress but podcaster trash Tuesday. But

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<v Speaker 2>we went to elementary, junior, high, and high school.

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<v Speaker 1>Together, and you were in Pippin together. No, not Pippin Godspell, Godspell. Sorry, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>but I shot my shot.

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<v Speaker 2>There's not very many people that can say that they

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<v Speaker 2>have someone that's disconnected to so much of their life,

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<v Speaker 2>like our parents live a mile apart.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy and you guys like, yeah, you guys grew

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<v Speaker 1>up to basically do the same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really wild and you're both like successful. It's cool.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's nice.

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<v Speaker 2>It's comfort like we don't see each other often, but

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, well, I love that.

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<v Speaker 4>Buckle the fuck up. This one is dark as hell.

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<v Speaker 4>And I regret it. I regret it.

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<v Speaker 2>I watch shit for pleasure and I texted I thank

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<v Speaker 2>you guys immediate like this. We need to get this

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<v Speaker 2>guy because he's such a good actor. Sorry, and then

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<v Speaker 2>now I regret it fully. I can't believe we have

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<v Speaker 2>to do this. I can't believe I had to do

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<v Speaker 2>the crimes. This is a nightmare.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>It's also on the heels of the last episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Which had a very harrowing true crime, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>looking forward to this week's true crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>But also be a peek behind the curtain. We're recording

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<v Speaker 2>this Tuesday, November fourth. This aired November fourth, twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, creepy four years later. This feels so recent.

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<v Speaker 1>It's season twenty three, but you know these s few

0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:42.360
<v Speaker 1>seasons creep up on us, So it's season twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode is they'd already disappeared episode seven, we open

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<v Speaker 1>on a young woman being thrown out of a coffee

0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:53.080
<v Speaker 1>shop onto the sidewalk. She's like, I was just getting

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<v Speaker 1>changed in then I was gonna buy a coffee and

0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:58.360
<v Speaker 1>another girl she is waiting for her on the street.

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<v Speaker 4>And this girl is like.

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<v Speaker 1>Jones in you know, She's like, a coffee's not really

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<v Speaker 1>what I need right now, Like.

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<v Speaker 4>She's, you know, she needs drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>And the girl that just came out of the coffee

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<v Speaker 1>shop is like, I'm gonna hook you up tonight.

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<v Speaker 4>They walk down the street, guys are cat calling them.

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<v Speaker 1>SVU has like generic sort of hip hop, like I

0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:19.120
<v Speaker 1>always wonder where they get this sort of hip hop

0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:22.040
<v Speaker 1>that no one's ever heard to play, like for the music,

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<v Speaker 1>and then coffee girl sits withdrawal girl down and goes,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta get my coat and I got a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of dates. And she's like, watch your back, baby, it's

0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:34.960
<v Speaker 1>heartless out there tonight. I mean foreshadowing we're never gonna

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:37.399
<v Speaker 1>see anything anybody having a great day on SVU, but

0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 1>she's foreshadowing that it's not great out on these streets.

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<v Speaker 1>The coffee girl, coffee shop girl whose name is Tanya,

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<v Speaker 1>leaves her there the other girl and keeps walking. She

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<v Speaker 1>meets up with Daria, who hands her a colorful backpack,

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<v Speaker 1>but when she opens it, it's filled with snacks and

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<v Speaker 1>she's less than thrilled. She wants cash, and she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>can I have some money. I'll promise I'll pay you back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not even for me, it's for a friend. And

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<v Speaker 1>Daria's not having it. And then Tanya goes, have you

0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:03.679
<v Speaker 1>heard from Mom? So she and Daria are sisters, and

0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:05.920
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like Mom is not really mother of the Year.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't hear from her. She doesn't really know what's

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<v Speaker 1>up with her own kids. And Daria is worried about Tanya.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, you know you're sleeping in hallways. It's not safe.

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't you come back with me? And Tanya's like,

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<v Speaker 1>to your dorm? I don't belong there, Like you're the

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<v Speaker 1>smart one. Why don't you go back and steady hard?

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<v Speaker 1>So she then takes off. She goes into this restaurant

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<v Speaker 1>where this guy named Country is butchering some meat. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know they're never going to show you somebody butchering

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<v Speaker 1>meat if it's not for a reason. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>a restaurant where she stores her coat and country's like

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<v Speaker 1>you got to eat something, and she's like I have

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<v Speaker 1>a date and she's like he can wait, and so

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<v Speaker 1>then hard cut to like, you know, it's like it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's all like all right, life is on the street.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard, but she's getting by. She's got a place

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<v Speaker 1>to store a coat. This guy's maybe gonna give her

0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:53.760
<v Speaker 1>a free dinner. And then it's like smash cut to

0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:57.360
<v Speaker 1>her running along some dark, abandoned street, freaked out.

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<v Speaker 4>She ducks behind a dumpster.

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<v Speaker 1>She calls Daria and says he raped me and choked

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<v Speaker 1>me and tried to kill me. She says, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to come stay with you. I'll get out the drugs.

0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:09.239
<v Speaker 1>I promise, but then she's interrupted by someone grabbing her,

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:11.679
<v Speaker 1>pulling her upwards, covering her mouth that she screams, and

0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:13.960
<v Speaker 1>you hear a voice go scream all you want.

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<v Speaker 4>Nobody cares. It's really creepy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, And then we cut to the precinct where

0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Finn and Liver having a little morning chat at the

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:25.560
<v Speaker 1>coffee machine, talking some light shit about McGrath when they

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:29.000
<v Speaker 1>hear a woman yelling it's Daria. She's frantically shouting all

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:33.080
<v Speaker 1>these details about Tanya's message to Rollin's this Uni brought

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 1>her in.

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:35.000
<v Speaker 4>He's like, she jumped in front of my car, yelling

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<v Speaker 4>about rape.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they go Daria follow us, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>cut to the credits, which is a weird stopping point,

0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:41.960
<v Speaker 1>but I'm gonna let them go with it because maybe

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 1>it's like they ran out of time. So top of

0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:48.359
<v Speaker 1>act one, Daria's playing the voicemail for Rollins and Benson.

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<v Speaker 1>It's exactly what we heard, only Daria didn't listen to

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:54.159
<v Speaker 1>it until that morning. She's like, I was studying and

0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 1>when Tanya calls me, it's usually for drug money. I

0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:59.880
<v Speaker 1>last saw her last night in East Harlem. She hangs around,

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<v Speaker 1>she's homeless and she's a survival sex worker.

0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:05.879
<v Speaker 4>And then she explains that their mom.

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<v Speaker 1>Took off last spring Tanya started partying with the wrong people,

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:11.600
<v Speaker 1>and Benson promises, like, We're gonna do everything we can

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 1>and ask for Tanya's contacts.

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:14.360
<v Speaker 4>So now they're at.

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 1>City Haven, which is I think like a shelter of

0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:21.360
<v Speaker 1>sorts or a it could be like a home, and

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 1>they're speaking to an employee and she's shocked that the

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:26.879
<v Speaker 1>NYPD cares about a missing on how sex worker you know,

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 1>she's like, oh, I'm surprised you guys are even here.

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:31.399
<v Speaker 1>And then she's like, you got to go talk to

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Snowflake and Missy and one says, I haven't seen her

0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:37.760
<v Speaker 1>in a while, and the other says, well, maybe she

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 1>went away with a date. They take you away sometimes.

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 1>And Velasco he is extremely he's like at peak in

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:47.720
<v Speaker 1>this episode, like everything he says, I'm like shut up.

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Like he goes, you know, her dealer, And then she says,

0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:52.400
<v Speaker 1>you should go talk to Beauty.

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:53.720
<v Speaker 4>She might be over unpleasant.

0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 1>So Beauty is Tanya's friend who was in rough shape

0:28:57.480 --> 0:28:59.920
<v Speaker 1>the night before, the girl she was with. She says,

0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:04.360
<v Speaker 1>someday the whole world smells like cat pee, and you know,

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:05.200
<v Speaker 1>ain't that the truth?

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 4>They tell her.

0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Daria is really worried about her sister, and she's like, yeah, duh,

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:14.400
<v Speaker 1>she's always worried. She keeps showing up here bringing your

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:16.719
<v Speaker 1>snacks and gatorade like she's on some kind of outward

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 1>bound trip, which I kind of thought.

0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:21.000
<v Speaker 4>Was funny, Like the sister's in college. She's like, what

0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:21.520
<v Speaker 4>am I gonna do?

0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't really have cash to give you, but like,

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:27.200
<v Speaker 1>here's some kind bars you know, and then Velasco goes,

0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 1>who'd you two go on dates together? Sometimes meet anyone weird.

0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:33.479
<v Speaker 1>It's like, dude, do you think it's mostly cool dudes?

0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Anyone weird? And she goes, they're all weird, and she says,

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 1>I taught Tanya how to survive though. Don't go with

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:43.000
<v Speaker 1>drunks they take too long, and stay away from nerdy

0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 1>white guys. They're always the psychos. Wow, she really nails

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 1>it season twenty three. They fucking are like literally nail.

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<v Speaker 4>On the head.

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 1>Stay away from the nerdy white guys. They're always the psychos.

0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:58.560
<v Speaker 1>I say that as someone married to a nerdy white guy,

0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 1>but without the manual dexterity to commit murder. Okay, So

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 1>she explains to them how she last saw Tanya headed

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:09.200
<v Speaker 1>to Countries to get her coat. They were supposed to

0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:11.360
<v Speaker 1>meet up, but she never showed. Beauty didn't text her.

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 1>She figured when Tanya starts flying, she doesn't land for

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 1>a while, and then Beauty goes, stay in heaven as

0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:18.840
<v Speaker 1>long as you can, That's what I say.

0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 4>So like, if you're high, stay high.

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:24.440
<v Speaker 1>It's better than like facing the reality of I think

0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:28.800
<v Speaker 1>their day to day. So at Countries, he's worried about Tanya.

0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:32.680
<v Speaker 1>This guy lets the girls stash their shit with him

0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:34.239
<v Speaker 1>because they have no homes, they have nowhere to keep

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 1>their stuff, and then he gives them the backpack, like

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 1>she dropped this off last night. They show it to

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Dary at the precinct and she's like, yes, this is

0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 1>the one I gave her last night. Unfortunately, no one

0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 1>has seen Tanya, but they're not giving up. Just then,

0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Missy and Snowflake show up. They tell the cops they

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 1>haven't heard from Tanya, but dot dot dot Beauty is

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 1>now missing.

0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 4>Uh oh.

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:57.160
<v Speaker 2>With these names, they'll sound like horses, like you could

0:30:57.200 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 2>be talking about a stable of horses.

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Snowflake and Beauty are exactly yeah, yeah, Snowflake is a

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Snowflake is a gorgeous white horse. Benson and Alaska now

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 1>are getting the story from missing Snowflake and they're all

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>hanging out. Beauty went to score, they said, but she

0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:19.360
<v Speaker 1>never came back and it's been four hours, and normally

0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:22.280
<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't think anything of it, but with Tanya also missing,

0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:24.440
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, well, maybe she's on a date, and

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 1>they're like, no, she would not go on a date

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 1>without her bag.

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:29.600
<v Speaker 2>It's like she's let people be sex workers and do

0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 2>drugs so then they're safer. Yeah, Like it's it sucks

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 2>that you have to be in such the darkness to

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:38.640
<v Speaker 2>do these things.

0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:39.280
<v Speaker 4>I know.

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 2>I was like it may really be more dangerous, Like

0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:43.720
<v Speaker 2>let the ship be legal so everyone could be safe.

0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I know. I was literally thinking to myself, like I

0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 1>wish there was like an app, a tracker for people

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 1>that are in the like maybe there is, like so

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 1>that it's like if you're not, you have to check

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 1>in with like certain people are connected to your network

0:31:58.320 --> 0:31:59.720
<v Speaker 1>and you have to check in every few hours and

0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 1>if you don't, you know what I mean, Like I

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:04.440
<v Speaker 1>wish someone would develop the technology for this, but people

0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 1>don't care about these.

0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:08.840
<v Speaker 4>People, so that's probably not been invented. But you know

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 4>what I mean.

0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:10.840
<v Speaker 2>It's like they hate it when it's safe. That's why

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 2>everyone hates OnlyFans. They're like these bitches making money and

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 2>being safe in their home and choosing who they work.

0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that's why it makes people so fucking mad.

0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 2>It's like they want the like these women to not

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:25.320
<v Speaker 2>feel safe. It's so sad.

0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 1>I saw the most the funniest video of this, like

0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:31.800
<v Speaker 1>conservative blondie trying to tell these like four only fans

0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 1>girlies like about how they're worth more than five dollars

0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 1>a month and why are you debasing yourself? And like

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 1>all you're doing is telling men that all you are

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 1>boobs and a vagina. And the girls are all like,

0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 1>that's your opinion, and they're all just like honking their

0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 1>own boobs and being.

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:46.840
<v Speaker 4>Like we love it. Like and it's so funny.

0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:49.880
<v Speaker 1>They're clowning her so hard, and she thinks she's so

0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:53.040
<v Speaker 1>right because she's just like a little Christian little a

0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 1>little Christian right winger girl.

0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 4>It's it's such a funny.

0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because her Christian male counterparts really respect her.

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:03.000
<v Speaker 4>They really respect her. They want the best for her.

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, they want her in leadership. Okay,

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 1>so they're like, there's no way she wanted a date.

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:13.280
<v Speaker 1>She would not leave without her bag, like she went

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:14.920
<v Speaker 1>she didn't want her dealer going through it, so she

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:17.480
<v Speaker 1>went to grab some drugs like she's not on a date.

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 1>They dump out the bag. It's a lot of stuff.

0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 1>We've got like full bottle illusterine. We got a lot

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 1>of stuff in there. And then there's like a little

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:27.400
<v Speaker 1>mirror and they're like that was her. Grandma's like, don't

0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 1>lose that, and then the girls leave. Velasco sums everything up,

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:34.640
<v Speaker 1>two girls in two days, and Benson goes, I don't

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>have a good feeling about this, and she's like, check

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 1>the cell phone records, and he's got Beauty's phone, and

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:42.480
<v Speaker 1>then he also tells She also tells Alasco check with

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 1>the local precinct. Let's make sure they didn't ignore any

0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:47.600
<v Speaker 1>reports of missing women. I'll I'll tell you right how

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 1>they did. They absolutely did. You don't even need to

0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 1>go over there. They did so at the twenty seventh precinct.

0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Velasco and Rollins are like waiting there and this young

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:58.560
<v Speaker 1>guy comes out and goes, sorry to keep you. My

0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 1>sergeant says he's still busy, and they're like, we'll wait,

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:03.000
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, I probably shouldn't tell you this, but

0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 1>he left for the night.

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:05.480
<v Speaker 4>What kind of games are we playing here?

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:08.880
<v Speaker 1>You're just making two valuable detectives sit at your precinct

0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 1>and wait for you while you've already fucked off and

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:13.640
<v Speaker 1>gone home. The UNI is like, well, a detective told

0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:15.759
<v Speaker 1>me to give you this file, but it didn't come

0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:18.799
<v Speaker 1>from her, and it's missing women from the neighborhood for

0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:21.760
<v Speaker 1>the last few years, street workers addicts. He says, nobody

0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:25.480
<v Speaker 1>anybody is really looking for and the file says nhi,

0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:28.759
<v Speaker 1>and the cop goes, oh, yeah, that's how slang for

0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 1>no humans involved.

0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:31.759
<v Speaker 4>Gross.

0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:36.319
<v Speaker 1>Gross, Like come on, I just wish this show wasn't

0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 1>so grounded in reality.

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:37.919
<v Speaker 4>At times.

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we talked about the fantasy like criminal justice system

0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:43.879
<v Speaker 2>of it all, but then they get real.

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.799
<v Speaker 1>This is like no real cause it's like you could

0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:48.839
<v Speaker 1>also just ignore these cases, like we know you're going

0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:50.839
<v Speaker 1>to anyway, you don't have to on top of it,

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 1>put like a cruel piece of slang to label it,

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:56.719
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. It's like just insult to

0:34:56.760 --> 0:35:00.480
<v Speaker 1>injury so velasco and Rollins looks stunned by the cruelty.

0:35:00.880 --> 0:35:02.640
<v Speaker 4>The file has a bunch of photos in it.

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 1>It's maybe ten girls, and a couple of them look

0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot like Tanya and Beauty, and Rollins is like, wow,

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:12.600
<v Speaker 1>he's got a type. And Philosokho's like h and She's like,

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:14.799
<v Speaker 1>we might be looking at a cereal So now at

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:17.239
<v Speaker 1>the precinct, we're in the huddle, we're around the whiteboard.

0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Photos are taped up. We've got three more missing girls.

0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I guess out of those ten, some of them they

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:25.360
<v Speaker 1>found or whatever, but three of them are are missing.

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 1>No clue who reported the missing. The phone numbers that

0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 1>they left when they reported don't work anymore. The girls

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:32.440
<v Speaker 1>were all eighteen and over, so the cops can't do

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:34.719
<v Speaker 1>much because they're adults, and no one ever really came

0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:37.319
<v Speaker 1>back to the precinct, like following up or looking for them.

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:38.920
<v Speaker 4>So Velaska thinks, you know.

0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:40.440
<v Speaker 1>These women could be from out of state and they

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 1>went home and lives like or they could be dead,

0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 1>you putts. So now they're at the Emmy's office and

0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 1>he's a big part of this episode. This is Emmy

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:51.839
<v Speaker 1>Abel Truman. He's the white male dead pan Melinda, and

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 1>they're looking for victims and he's like, oh, like, I

0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.879
<v Speaker 1>have these two cases from the Bronx from ten years ago,

0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:02.879
<v Speaker 1>from when I first started over here. I call them

0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:06.960
<v Speaker 1>my Christmas Angels. And it's like, Buddy Rudnick is pretty recent.

0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:08.879
<v Speaker 1>He's still pretty recent, Like, let's chill with the cute

0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:11.719
<v Speaker 1>nicknames for your victims that are on the table, like

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:14.359
<v Speaker 1>the Christmas Angels. He's like, I was with my daughter

0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:16.279
<v Speaker 1>a Rockefeller Center when they got called in, it's like,

0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:20.239
<v Speaker 1>what a glorious Christmas memory. And they're like commenting on

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:21.440
<v Speaker 1>how young looking all.

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:23.520
<v Speaker 4>That the Rockets have to audition every year.

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Shut up, Yeah, I watched her YouTube and this girl

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 2>has been doing like six or seven years, but she

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:31.600
<v Speaker 2>has you have to audition every single year.

0:36:31.880 --> 0:36:33.920
<v Speaker 1>So these girls that he's got pictures of up on

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:36.640
<v Speaker 1>his little screen there, they look eighteen or nineteen, he says,

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 1>probably drug addicts on the fringes, both strangled and raped,

0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:42.800
<v Speaker 1>not idd yet, like, so there's no idea for these girls.

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 1>And he's not sure it's the same guy, and they're

0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 1>like why not, and he goes, well, only one of

0:36:50.520 --> 0:36:55.359
<v Speaker 1>the victims was partially eviscerated, meaning her liver and her

0:36:55.400 --> 0:37:00.560
<v Speaker 1>intestines were removed, and uh good, he says, for no reason,

0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:03.799
<v Speaker 1>as if there's ever a great reason. But they said

0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:06.040
<v Speaker 1>he was a first timer because it was crudely done.

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:08.839
<v Speaker 1>He used a butcher's knife and a meat cleaver. So

0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:12.279
<v Speaker 1>that's obviously making the cops think of country. This man

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:15.160
<v Speaker 1>who works at like a barbecue meat joint, I think,

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:17.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think it's barbecue. He's chopping up huge

0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:19.960
<v Speaker 1>meat things and he's from South Carolina, we find out,

0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 1>so I'm putting things together. But they're at his restaurant

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:26.320
<v Speaker 1>now and they're all packing up his knives, like taking

0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:29.319
<v Speaker 1>them with a warrant, and he's like, what's going on

0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:30.920
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, we have a warrant and I'm like,

0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 1>based on what that he owns knives and he knew

0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:36.560
<v Speaker 1>the girls like this feels like I don't know how

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:37.920
<v Speaker 1>they got this warrant.

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 4>But they woke up.

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:39.799
<v Speaker 1>They definitely got a judge in the middle of a

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:43.719
<v Speaker 1>poker game, and he tells them his story. He's like,

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:45.680
<v Speaker 1>I moved up to New York from South Carolina ten

0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:48.400
<v Speaker 1>years ago. I went back down home for a stretch

0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:50.520
<v Speaker 1>when my dad died. And Rollins is like, oh, and

0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:52.959
<v Speaker 1>also when you arrested, so you could do jail time

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:55.359
<v Speaker 1>and he's like yes, And then I came up here

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:57.279
<v Speaker 1>after him. I'd served my time and I opened this

0:37:57.360 --> 0:37:59.759
<v Speaker 1>restaurant three years ago. And is that when you got

0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:02.319
<v Speaker 1>fly with the girls. And he's like, I like to

0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:05.480
<v Speaker 1>help them out. They're good people. And then they're like,

0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:08.000
<v Speaker 1>come downtown with us. So now they've got country in

0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:10.959
<v Speaker 1>cement room bars and he's telling them I'm a good guy,

0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 1>which I have to tell I don't. I'm not getting

0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:15.719
<v Speaker 1>a guilty vibe from country. But also don't say you're

0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:17.560
<v Speaker 1>a good guy, because it's always like bad guys that

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.680
<v Speaker 1>say that. And then they bring up, well, what about

0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 1>this assault that you went to jail for, like assault

0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:23.839
<v Speaker 1>with a baseball bat?

0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:25.400
<v Speaker 4>And he's like, I was protecting myself.

0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:27.759
<v Speaker 1>Spartanburg PD has always had it out for me, and

0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:30.239
<v Speaker 1>I believe it. The cops being against a black man

0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:33.960
<v Speaker 1>in Spartanburg, South Carolina. I buy a story and he

0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 1>goes Sunday night, I was closing up, but they've got

0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:40.279
<v Speaker 1>him on street cameras in his station wagon going up

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Third Avenue, and then they've got him going north at

0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:45.759
<v Speaker 1>eleven pm with a person in the car, and then

0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:48.920
<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes later coming down Second Avenue all alone. So

0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:52.399
<v Speaker 1>what's up, dog? We're tearing apart your restaurant and your

0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:54.440
<v Speaker 1>car right now? Are we going to find Tanya in

0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:56.919
<v Speaker 1>Beauty's Blood? And he's like, you're not gonna find shit.

0:38:57.000 --> 0:38:58.960
<v Speaker 1>I look out for these girls. And they're like, well,

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:00.960
<v Speaker 1>you have three months left on your parole. You lied

0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:03.240
<v Speaker 1>to us. That's enough. To send you back to prison.

0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:04.720
<v Speaker 1>What did he lie about?

0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:08.279
<v Speaker 4>Did he? I mean, I guess he lied about going.

0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Back down to South Carolina because his dad died, and

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:12.560
<v Speaker 1>it was also to do prison. That feels like not

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:14.840
<v Speaker 1>a lie, that is like a violation of parole. But

0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 1>they're trying to scare him and it's working. He's very

0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 1>frightened that they're going to send him back to prison,

0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:21.360
<v Speaker 1>and they're leveraging that, and he's like, okay, okay, listen.

0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:24.839
<v Speaker 1>I took Tanya to a date uptown. She didn't want

0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 1>to take the bus, so I dropped her off. She

0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:29.440
<v Speaker 1>said the guy was a regular, always paid, But I

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:30.279
<v Speaker 1>didn't see the guy.

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:31.920
<v Speaker 4>I just dropped her off and I left.

0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:35.000
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, Tanya's gonna pop up soon, and when

0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:36.759
<v Speaker 1>she does, you're all gonna eat ribs with us and

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:39.360
<v Speaker 1>apologize to me. And they're like, give us the address

0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:41.759
<v Speaker 1>where you dropped her. Why haven't they like tracked her

0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:45.000
<v Speaker 1>phone call to Daria, Like they haven't tracked, Like we

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.200
<v Speaker 1>were taking us a long time to get to Inwood

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:50.000
<v Speaker 1>in the Bronx, where we could just be like checking

0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:52.120
<v Speaker 1>cell phone tower pings and finding out where this girl

0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:55.960
<v Speaker 1>called from. But anyway, we've just instead decided to terrorize

0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:58.000
<v Speaker 1>this restaurant owner who helped sex workers.

0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 4>But now they're an inn wo Belasco and Rollins or

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:02.279
<v Speaker 4>checking it out.

0:40:02.600 --> 0:40:06.279
<v Speaker 2>I do love that helping sex workers is suspicious too.

0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, you set up a coat rack to lure

0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:12.520
<v Speaker 1>them in here, like it's crazy he does have, Like

0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:15.440
<v Speaker 1>it's it's such a sweet, like small act of kindness,

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:18.279
<v Speaker 1>just like have a coat rack for these girls like

0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:20.759
<v Speaker 1>in his restaurant so that they can like leave jackets,

0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:23.160
<v Speaker 1>like we know New York. It's like when you leave

0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:24.960
<v Speaker 1>New York, you got a dressed for like ten types

0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:27.160
<v Speaker 1>of weather. You've got six bags with you in case

0:40:27.200 --> 0:40:30.080
<v Speaker 1>you have to go from day to night. And it's

0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:31.680
<v Speaker 1>nice that he does this. I wish I had a

0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:33.560
<v Speaker 1>fucking place to hang up a bag half the time.

0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:36.960
<v Speaker 4>When I was in New York. So they're in Inwood, it's.

0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:39.000
<v Speaker 1>The middle of the day, they're checking stuff out, they're

0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:40.880
<v Speaker 1>near the they're near the area where they got she

0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 1>got dropped off, and there's uh like kind of an

0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:47.360
<v Speaker 1>abandoned warehouse. And then they run into these skateboarding kids

0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:49.879
<v Speaker 1>and this one kid, has there ever been a non

0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:52.440
<v Speaker 1>abandoned warehouse. That's what I'd like to know. Are there

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:58.400
<v Speaker 1>any functional warehouses happening in New York? Show me one,

0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:02.120
<v Speaker 1>especially it is city where like real estate is so expensive.

0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:04.359
<v Speaker 1>It's like, let's get rid of these warehouses, put up

0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:07.359
<v Speaker 1>a fucking like, you know, an art space or.

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:09.279
<v Speaker 4>Something, which I'm sure some of them are.

0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, they run into these skateboarding kids and this

0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:15.759
<v Speaker 1>one kid starts talking to them and goes, oh, are

0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:18.439
<v Speaker 1>you guys looking for the vampire? And they're like, we're

0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 1>vampire slayers and apparently this vampire lives right inside the

0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:26.279
<v Speaker 1>boarded up warehouse building right behind them, and he explains.

0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:28.799
<v Speaker 1>This kid explains how vampires work to them, which is

0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:32.440
<v Speaker 1>like very cute, and they're like, yup, Sunday night, he

0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:33.040
<v Speaker 1>was in there.

0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:34.760
<v Speaker 4>We had our stakes ready.

0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:38.880
<v Speaker 1>And that's like so crazy to me that these kids

0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:42.839
<v Speaker 1>all are like so intuitive that they're like, yeah, there's

0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:45.320
<v Speaker 1>like a freaky creature in there and we need to

0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:49.800
<v Speaker 1>kill him. But they show they show him a picture

0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:52.239
<v Speaker 1>of like Country's car. He doesn't recognize it. And then

0:41:52.239 --> 0:41:54.520
<v Speaker 1>they show a picture of Tanya, like have you seen her?

0:41:54.560 --> 0:41:56.959
<v Speaker 1>And he's like maybe, and then he's like I gotta

0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:59.279
<v Speaker 1>go and he gathers up his vampire slayer crew and

0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:02.320
<v Speaker 1>they bounce and Rollins says, told you we might get lucky,

0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:06.000
<v Speaker 1>and Blesco goes af to you, Buffy. But it is

0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:08.560
<v Speaker 1>really funny because they basically get out of their car

0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:10.600
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, how are we gonna find anything? And

0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 1>then the first kid they run into goes, oh, there's

0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:15.799
<v Speaker 1>a vampire in that warehouse. I get it. We don't

0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 1>have time to do a lot of it. It's a

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:20.399
<v Speaker 1>forty two minute episode. But they found a useful child

0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:24.040
<v Speaker 1>very quickly, so they break the lock off this boarded

0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:27.719
<v Speaker 1>up building and go inside. I mean, they don't have

0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 1>a warrant. If you think something's really in there, get

0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:33.239
<v Speaker 1>back up. It's it's freaky. It's giving me sounds of

0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:35.799
<v Speaker 1>the lamps because they've got their guns out and their flashlights.

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:36.120
<v Speaker 3>I know.

0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:37.920
<v Speaker 2>But if it's abandon and no one owns it, the

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:40.160
<v Speaker 2>should be in there, so I don't think they need

0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:40.600
<v Speaker 2>a warrant.

0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 1>That's true, but it is locked, so you're opening you're

0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 1>cutting open a lock.

0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:49.040
<v Speaker 4>But yes, yes, we got to get in there. They could.

0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:51.359
<v Speaker 1>They also can always go we thought we heard a scream, right,

0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:52.799
<v Speaker 1>is not what they always do, or that the.

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:56.480
<v Speaker 4>Kids felt like they were in danger, like they can yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:42:56.520 --> 0:42:58.520
<v Speaker 4>The kids said they saw a kid go in there. Whatever.

0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:03.000
<v Speaker 1>So Rollins has ditched her chik outerwear for that sort

0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:06.120
<v Speaker 1>of like swat team casual outfit that they wear sometimes,

0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, it says police on the back. It's

0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:10.279
<v Speaker 1>like kind of like it's you're like, I don't think

0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 1>there's anything bulletproof under there, but it looks like there

0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:14.520
<v Speaker 1>could be. It's kind of cute. And then Velasco immediately

0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:16.600
<v Speaker 1>clocks a smell. He's like, what is that smell? And

0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:20.800
<v Speaker 1>inside it's immediately very dexter coded, like we've got jars

0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:23.640
<v Speaker 1>on shelves with god knows what inside, plastic sheeting up

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:24.240
<v Speaker 1>on the walls.

0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:25.080
<v Speaker 4>It's freaky.

0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Immediately immediately, this is not a fully abandoned warehouse.

0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:31.400
<v Speaker 4>Someone's been in here. Okay. When they open the door

0:43:31.600 --> 0:43:32.920
<v Speaker 4>to one large room.

0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:36.960
<v Speaker 1>You kind of think it's like mannequins or something, but

0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:40.279
<v Speaker 1>it's a bunch of woman's dead bodies pose like it's

0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:45.560
<v Speaker 1>a dinner party and done done. They're mummified. There are

0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:50.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot of them. It's very gruesome. And they go

0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:54.480
<v Speaker 1>into another room adjacent and they find Tanya and Beauty's

0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:57.520
<v Speaker 1>bodies lying on tables with sheets covering them, like the

0:43:57.600 --> 0:44:01.439
<v Speaker 1>mummification process has not begun with them because they've only

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:04.759
<v Speaker 1>been missing now for like a day or two. It

0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:07.279
<v Speaker 1>is also kind of wild that this guy would go

0:44:07.360 --> 0:44:13.200
<v Speaker 1>after like two girls so close back to back, but whatever,

0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:16.719
<v Speaker 1>it's tragic these two friends that are like lying there

0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:19.920
<v Speaker 1>dead on these tables together, so and they were literally

0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:22.000
<v Speaker 1>just trying to take care of each other. Top of

0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:24.919
<v Speaker 1>Act three, Benson and Finn are on the scene. They've

0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:28.560
<v Speaker 1>got twelve mummified victims plus Beauty and Tanya makes fourteen.

0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:30.760
<v Speaker 4>Velasco's like a called bario.

0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:33.719
<v Speaker 1>So the sister knows they're putting a rush on the

0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:36.080
<v Speaker 1>evidence from Beauty and Tanya because it's only been forty

0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:39.239
<v Speaker 1>eight hours since their deaths, so there might be a

0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:41.080
<v Speaker 1>chance that this guy left DNA.

0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:43.680
<v Speaker 4>But and then Emmy Truman is there.

0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:46.080
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, this is a mass fatality over time,

0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Like these are not bodies that have naturally mummified.

0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:50.360
<v Speaker 4>This was DIY.

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:54.240
<v Speaker 1>And you know, Benson's like, explain how you would DIY

0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:55.240
<v Speaker 1>mummify someone?

0:44:55.800 --> 0:44:56.560
<v Speaker 4>The technique he.

0:44:56.480 --> 0:44:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Says, I with YouTube, you could do anything I know,

0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:00.880
<v Speaker 1>truly truly read it.

0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:01.640
<v Speaker 4>They've got it.

0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:06.480
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, he goes, the technique hasn't changed much since

0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:10.160
<v Speaker 1>the Egyptians. You remove all the art organs, salt the body,

0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:13.560
<v Speaker 1>stuff it with linen, and let the desert heat do

0:45:13.640 --> 0:45:16.200
<v Speaker 1>the rest. And I'm like, this is just so close

0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:20.399
<v Speaker 1>after we in Egypt in Egypt, so yeah, and then

0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:22.920
<v Speaker 1>she go. He goes, but this guy, he let the

0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:25.360
<v Speaker 1>heaters from home depot do that part and then he

0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:28.799
<v Speaker 1>put them, he said, put in a cage to keep

0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:30.920
<v Speaker 1>the rats out. So I guess he had the girl's

0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:37.440
<v Speaker 1>bodies like in cages to mummify them. But it's he says, well, mummification,

0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:41.120
<v Speaker 1>he tells them still preserves DNA and fingerprints, so we'll

0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:44.279
<v Speaker 1>see what we can find. But he also notes that

0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:46.680
<v Speaker 1>this is the psycho who did this had technique that

0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:49.800
<v Speaker 1>improved over time, because I think if he's also counting

0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 1>the girls that he found in the Bronx onto the

0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:56.480
<v Speaker 1>list of girls that this guy has killed, like he's done,

0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:59.120
<v Speaker 1>He's moved on from the butcher knife and he's like,

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:02.680
<v Speaker 1>everything is very meticulous, so I really doubt you're gonna

0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:03.440
<v Speaker 1>find his DNA.

0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:07.200
<v Speaker 4>And then Tommy alert. McGrath shows up.

0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:12.920
<v Speaker 1>McGrath shows up and he's like, oh, what's that smell?

0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:15.279
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, oh, he goes the I mean, he goes, oh,

0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:16.960
<v Speaker 1>do you mean the smell of old wet book with

0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 1>a touch of cinnamon. And then he says, well, with

0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:22.120
<v Speaker 1>mamma fying, there's very little scent because the bodies don't rot.

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:25.600
<v Speaker 1>And I guess because you've taken out all of the

0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:26.640
<v Speaker 1>blood and organs.

0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:29.760
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, and then you're drying out the flesh.

0:46:29.800 --> 0:46:30.600
<v Speaker 4>I can't. Yeah.

0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so gross, and I don't know what the

0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:34.000
<v Speaker 1>cinnamon will either.

0:46:34.080 --> 0:46:36.600
<v Speaker 4>This podcast, I'm not learning the problem. No, no, no, we're

0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:37.640
<v Speaker 4>not learning mummification.

0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:38.120
<v Speaker 2>We're not.

0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:39.160
<v Speaker 4>We're not. We're simply not.

0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:42.359
<v Speaker 1>But maybe he just puts a little cinnamon in the air,

0:46:42.400 --> 0:46:43.719
<v Speaker 1>like he's got a glade plug in.

0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:46.400
<v Speaker 4>Or something, so that he doesn't have to fully smell it.

0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:50.400
<v Speaker 1>But he described Okay, this is so gross, but he

0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:54.440
<v Speaker 1>describes like how the guy removed some of the organs

0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:56.160
<v Speaker 1>and he said he made cuts in the back of

0:46:56.200 --> 0:46:58.560
<v Speaker 1>their heads and pulled their brains out that way to

0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:03.200
<v Speaker 1>keep their faces intact at which is pretty gross. And

0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:06.680
<v Speaker 1>then Benson's like you can see McGrath is like losing

0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:08.239
<v Speaker 1>color in his face, and she's like, you want to

0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:10.880
<v Speaker 1>go talk outside, babe, And he's like clearly out of

0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:11.440
<v Speaker 1>his element.

0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:13.120
<v Speaker 4>So what is he gonna do? Yell, let her to

0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:16.200
<v Speaker 4>solve it faster, Like yeah, yeah, yeah, weaster. The smell

0:47:16.280 --> 0:47:18.080
<v Speaker 4>is disgusting because.

0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:20.040
<v Speaker 2>No matter how often I've seen that episodes, I always

0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:23.000
<v Speaker 2>do a rewatch right before we record. Not this one,

0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:25.920
<v Speaker 2>I do. Oh yeah you really, I fully engage in

0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:28.120
<v Speaker 2>what you're telling me. I'm like, wait, what, I don't know.

0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:30.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the guy and the meat cleaver

0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:33.440
<v Speaker 2>looks like, like I kind of a just disassociated.

0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:35.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, listen, there's even though I thought to do it.

0:47:36.640 --> 0:47:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was my idea.

0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:40.799
<v Speaker 4>There's some episodes we have to. I think it's because

0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:41.799
<v Speaker 4>it reminds us a lot.

0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:43.919
<v Speaker 1>If you're a dexter head, this reminds us a lot

0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:46.600
<v Speaker 1>of the New Blood plot line, where the guy is

0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:50.719
<v Speaker 1>like keeping a museum of women, but he doesn't mummify

0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:54.480
<v Speaker 1>those women. He kind of like keeps them in these cases.

0:47:54.560 --> 0:47:56.520
<v Speaker 1>And maybe because they're in the middle of the fucking

0:47:56.880 --> 0:47:59.440
<v Speaker 1>of state New York, they because it's cold, they stay

0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:02.839
<v Speaker 1>not rotting or something, but either way.

0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:07.320
<v Speaker 4>It's a similar. It's also the new Blood guy was wealthy.

0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:09.239
<v Speaker 2>He had a lot of money, so he could you know,

0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:12.799
<v Speaker 2>they were like whatever the air was down there and underground,

0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:16.879
<v Speaker 2>Like this is obviously someone's illegally using a warehouse, right,

0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:18.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean maybe he bought a warehouse, so I don't know.

0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but the guy also on Dexter there was a

0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:27.200
<v Speaker 1>hunting element, much like the episode Hunting Ground. He hunted

0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:30.040
<v Speaker 1>them in the woods and killed or or no, he

0:48:30.080 --> 0:48:31.400
<v Speaker 1>would just kill them in that room.

0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:33.080
<v Speaker 4>But then didn't he kill one girl in the woods

0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:34.440
<v Speaker 4>somebody get out of the room.

0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, he would shoot them in the woods with a trank,

0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:40.439
<v Speaker 2>drag him back, assault them, and then let them out again.

0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh and then their whole thing is if you want

0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:44.680
<v Speaker 2>to die, you can hit the you can touch the

0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:46.760
<v Speaker 2>electrical fence at the end of his property.

0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:49.000
<v Speaker 4>That's right, Okay, thank you for minding.

0:48:49.120 --> 0:48:51.360
<v Speaker 2>So it's like it was like a catch and release

0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:54.480
<v Speaker 2>torture sitch or you know, take your own.

0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:55.240
<v Speaker 4>Life ye fence.

0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:58.920
<v Speaker 1>And then also a collector's situation. So it's like, really

0:48:58.920 --> 0:49:01.920
<v Speaker 1>that guy was true fucking deranged. They always find new

0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:06.200
<v Speaker 1>ways to up the Anti over at Dexter, but Benson

0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:09.319
<v Speaker 1>and brings McGrath outside. So outside McGrath is shook and

0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Benson tells them, well, we have this guy country and custody,

0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:15.799
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, these women were butchered and then laid

0:49:15.880 --> 0:49:18.520
<v Speaker 1>out like some kind of goddamn dinner party. And he

0:49:18.600 --> 0:49:21.480
<v Speaker 1>goes make the case because this is evil, like as if.

0:49:21.480 --> 0:49:23.879
<v Speaker 1>Benson's like, this one seems pretty chill, I'm gonna kind

0:49:23.880 --> 0:49:27.120
<v Speaker 1>of slack on it, like I mean, this man and

0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:30.080
<v Speaker 1>so I Velasko rolls up, like I said, sounding even

0:49:30.120 --> 0:49:33.200
<v Speaker 1>more deadpan dope than usual. He's like, how's McGrath doing.

0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:36.239
<v Speaker 1>I didn't see expect to seem so upset, and then

0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:39.399
<v Speaker 1>he goes, I couldn't look at him, but I had

0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:41.160
<v Speaker 1>to what these women went through.

0:49:41.600 --> 0:49:43.120
<v Speaker 4>Benson, I know you've seen some stuff.

0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:45.759
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, Babe, I've been in the game for

0:49:45.800 --> 0:49:48.640
<v Speaker 1>twenty plus years and I've never seen anything.

0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:49.000
<v Speaker 4>So fucked up.

0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:51.200
<v Speaker 1>So it's nice to see season twenty three Bens and

0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:54.600
<v Speaker 1>still being like fuck. But even though she's seeing stuff

0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:57.759
<v Speaker 1>that's so fucked she still holds her own like all

0:49:57.760 --> 0:49:59.799
<v Speaker 1>of her terror and like, oh my god, I've never

0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:02.000
<v Speaker 1>seen and this is like in her eyes, she doesn't

0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:04.680
<v Speaker 1>like sweat or throw up or start hyperventilating, Like she's

0:50:04.760 --> 0:50:08.600
<v Speaker 1>just kind of like, Okay, this is new, but she's

0:50:08.640 --> 0:50:11.319
<v Speaker 1>gonna you know, and she goes listen velasco you never

0:50:11.320 --> 0:50:13.759
<v Speaker 1>get used to it, to any of it. So now

0:50:13.760 --> 0:50:16.200
<v Speaker 1>they're back talking a country who I don't think anyone

0:50:16.280 --> 0:50:18.640
<v Speaker 1>is actually buying as the fucking purp here like they're

0:50:18.680 --> 0:50:21.960
<v Speaker 1>showing in pictures of the victim. He's like, they all

0:50:22.000 --> 0:50:24.840
<v Speaker 1>disappeared since you've moved up to this area. And in

0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:27.319
<v Speaker 1>the little slide show of the girl's faces, they've also

0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:29.920
<v Speaker 1>included the mummy pictures and guess what country doesn't love

0:50:29.920 --> 0:50:30.520
<v Speaker 1>those pictures.

0:50:30.560 --> 0:50:33.040
<v Speaker 4>He's like horrified. He's like, what the fuck is this?

0:50:33.480 --> 0:50:36.200
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, well, this this is what we found,

0:50:36.280 --> 0:50:38.360
<v Speaker 1>and you're our only suspect, and if you've got anything

0:50:38.360 --> 0:50:39.719
<v Speaker 1>to tell us, you better cough it up.

0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:40.560
<v Speaker 4>And then he.

0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Recognizes one of the girls. He's like, whoa, that's Nissi Shenie.

0:50:43.880 --> 0:50:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Like I drove her to a date too, same place

0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:50.160
<v Speaker 1>as Tanya, and like he never mentioned to the cops

0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:51.480
<v Speaker 1>I've driven girls there before.

0:50:53.080 --> 0:50:55.200
<v Speaker 4>Wow, And why would he trust the cops?

0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're gonna They would probably be like, you're the pimp,

0:50:58.239 --> 0:50:59.200
<v Speaker 2>why are you taking them?

0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:01.480
<v Speaker 4>We'll arrest you. Yeah right.

0:51:01.960 --> 0:51:04.279
<v Speaker 1>But the murderer also like, why are you having girls?

0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:06.359
<v Speaker 1>Always dropped off in the same place, like he's been

0:51:06.360 --> 0:51:08.160
<v Speaker 1>doing this for ten years. It seems like he would

0:51:08.160 --> 0:51:09.879
<v Speaker 1>have been caught by now. But again, no one wants

0:51:10.400 --> 0:51:12.959
<v Speaker 1>the girls. We have the Long Island killer who kept

0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:17.640
<v Speaker 1>on killing sex work. That's forever so true. I think

0:51:17.680 --> 0:51:19.640
<v Speaker 1>there was just a development in that. I think there

0:51:19.680 --> 0:51:22.320
<v Speaker 1>was just a development in that case because he wanted

0:51:22.360 --> 0:51:25.240
<v Speaker 1>to get tried all the victims separate, separately.

0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:27.640
<v Speaker 2>They didn't allow him together. Yeah, oh okay, I think

0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:30.680
<v Speaker 2>that is really new. I hope they didn't do that. Okay, cool, cool,

0:51:30.719 --> 0:51:31.080
<v Speaker 2>cool cool.

0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:34.839
<v Speaker 1>Let me let me just know that makes double check

0:51:35.480 --> 0:51:36.960
<v Speaker 1>because that's what I was reading.

0:51:38.280 --> 0:51:40.520
<v Speaker 4>Yes, single trial set, single trial set.

0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fuck you, dude, he's going to try to, like

0:51:42.560 --> 0:51:45.440
<v Speaker 1>one by one, you know, get them kicked out, and

0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:48.480
<v Speaker 1>it's like they're linked. Bro, you you fucked up? Like

0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:50.560
<v Speaker 1>why are we even wasting the courts time? Plead guilty,

0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:51.479
<v Speaker 1>go die in jail.

0:51:52.320 --> 0:51:54.440
<v Speaker 4>But he's.

0:51:55.080 --> 0:51:57.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was gonna say something, but it's like of

0:51:57.760 --> 0:52:00.759
<v Speaker 2>course he's sick and it's power, right, So he's still

0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:03.319
<v Speaker 2>trying to fuck with these women. He's still trying to

0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:05.920
<v Speaker 2>fuck with their families. He's like darkness.

0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:09.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so of course, but I'm so glad it's a

0:52:09.360 --> 0:52:13.600
<v Speaker 4>single trial. Oh my god. Yeah yeah. Yeah.

0:52:13.640 --> 0:52:18.839
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, he says, you know, I dropped me see

0:52:18.840 --> 0:52:21.120
<v Speaker 1>at the same place as Tanya, and the guy she

0:52:21.239 --> 0:52:23.200
<v Speaker 1>was meeting was one of the nice ones, she said,

0:52:23.239 --> 0:52:25.759
<v Speaker 1>And Finn's like, stop fucking with us. You know these

0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:27.520
<v Speaker 1>girls and you know what happened to them, and Country

0:52:27.560 --> 0:52:30.080
<v Speaker 1>starts crying and saying I'm sorry, I'm so sorry over

0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:32.359
<v Speaker 1>and over again and that like it's like they've broken him.

0:52:32.360 --> 0:52:34.520
<v Speaker 1>And then knock knock, the Emmy has something for them.

0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:37.799
<v Speaker 1>Back with the medical examiner Truman, he tells them all

0:52:38.080 --> 0:52:40.920
<v Speaker 1>twelve of the victims that they found the mummified girls

0:52:40.920 --> 0:52:45.600
<v Speaker 1>were strangled. They were all sex workers. They found frostbite marks,

0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:48.920
<v Speaker 1>track marks, and one had scarring on her uterus from STDs,

0:52:48.920 --> 0:52:51.960
<v Speaker 1>so they're surmising that they're all sex workers.

0:52:52.160 --> 0:52:53.520
<v Speaker 4>They all had personal effects.

0:52:53.880 --> 0:52:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Some of their body cavities were stuffed with their own clothing,

0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:00.719
<v Speaker 1>and it's just more infhoto go on. I'm just like, oh,

0:53:00.840 --> 0:53:03.960
<v Speaker 1>is this just disgusting detail? But no, it's like good info.

0:53:04.320 --> 0:53:06.239
<v Speaker 1>So he said, we expanded the search to the tri

0:53:06.320 --> 0:53:09.480
<v Speaker 1>state area, what's up Connecticut and New Jersey and to

0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:11.759
<v Speaker 1>women missing in the last ten years, and they got

0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:14.720
<v Speaker 1>two hits a missing New I'm like, there's only two

0:53:14.800 --> 0:53:17.000
<v Speaker 1>women missing in the Tri state area in the last

0:53:17.040 --> 0:53:20.759
<v Speaker 1>ten years, like what? And one is a missing New

0:53:20.840 --> 0:53:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Jersey woman from six years ago, and she's basically wearing

0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:26.600
<v Speaker 1>in a photo that they find of her. She's wearing

0:53:26.640 --> 0:53:29.400
<v Speaker 1>like the same coat that is like with her body.

0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:32.360
<v Speaker 1>And then another victim from Connecticut is idd through a

0:53:32.440 --> 0:53:35.480
<v Speaker 1>charm bracelet that is on her mammified body that is

0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:38.680
<v Speaker 1>engraved with her name and birthday. And that victim's name

0:53:38.760 --> 0:53:42.200
<v Speaker 1>is Meredith Hart. And so the New Jersey victim sadly

0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:45.520
<v Speaker 1>had no relatives on file, but the police in Enfield, Connecticut,

0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:48.320
<v Speaker 1>are still trying to track down Meredith's family. The girl

0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:51.520
<v Speaker 1>in New Jersey, it turns out, though, was reported missing

0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:55.239
<v Speaker 1>one week after Country started his sentence in South Carolina,

0:53:55.560 --> 0:53:57.840
<v Speaker 1>and Meredith went missing a year after that while he

0:53:57.920 --> 0:54:00.920
<v Speaker 1>was still in prison halfway through his bid so assault

0:54:00.960 --> 0:54:03.400
<v Speaker 1>with a baseball back gets you like four years in prison.

0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:04.799
<v Speaker 4>Like, okay, so.

0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:08.799
<v Speaker 1>Guess what if they were both taken while country was

0:54:08.920 --> 0:54:11.160
<v Speaker 1>in jail, then guess what Country's not our guy. The

0:54:11.200 --> 0:54:13.839
<v Speaker 1>real guy's out there and now he knows we found

0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:18.040
<v Speaker 1>his hellhole. So top of the next act, McGrath is

0:54:18.040 --> 0:54:21.880
<v Speaker 1>giving a press conference outside this dilapidated building where this

0:54:21.920 --> 0:54:24.200
<v Speaker 1>guy's mummy. Crypt was like, I don't understand why this

0:54:24.280 --> 0:54:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Tommy gives a press conference for like every single case.

0:54:26.960 --> 0:54:30.799
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's part of his I've seen some

0:54:30.840 --> 0:54:34.080
<v Speaker 1>police press conferences. To me, they're rarely outside of the

0:54:34.080 --> 0:54:36.040
<v Speaker 1>place where we found all the bodies, you know what

0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:39.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean. Like it's kind of wild, but it's very TV.

0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:43.000
<v Speaker 1>So they're pledging to find the guy. We're working around

0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:46.000
<v Speaker 1>the clock, YadA YadA. Somebody knows this killer, Benson says.

0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:49.279
<v Speaker 1>They sell him coffee, they deliver his takeout, somebody works

0:54:49.320 --> 0:54:53.960
<v Speaker 1>with him, and then she goes. NYPD Crime Stoppers is

0:54:54.040 --> 0:54:58.480
<v Speaker 1>offering a thirty five hundred dollars reward for any information

0:54:58.680 --> 0:54:59.600
<v Speaker 1>leading to the arrest.

0:55:00.360 --> 0:55:01.279
<v Speaker 4>Kind of a low ball.

0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:04.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't know what you were getting at. So

0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:06.120
<v Speaker 2>I was sitting there being like, huh, it's.

0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:08.879
<v Speaker 1>Thirty five one hundred dollars to a serial killer who

0:55:08.960 --> 0:55:12.520
<v Speaker 1>mummified twelve women and had too ready to go, Like

0:55:12.640 --> 0:55:15.200
<v Speaker 1>a serial killer that killed fourty women? Were like one

0:55:15.239 --> 0:55:17.440
<v Speaker 1>month of a studio apartment rent. We'll give you that.

0:55:17.480 --> 0:55:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Will that work?

0:55:18.080 --> 0:55:18.800
<v Speaker 4>Do you have any info?

0:55:19.000 --> 0:55:19.080
<v Speaker 2>Like?

0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:22.120
<v Speaker 4>Are you kidding? It should be like one hundred thousand dollars.

0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:24.520
<v Speaker 1>I just like, look at all the cars that you

0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:27.759
<v Speaker 1>see in New York one eight hundred cop shot, right,

0:55:27.840 --> 0:55:29.560
<v Speaker 1>it's like one hundred thousand dollars. I think if you

0:55:29.600 --> 0:55:32.840
<v Speaker 1>have any information about an NYPD officer getting shot, but

0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:38.400
<v Speaker 1>fourteen women getting murdered and mummified and sexually assaulted thirty

0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:41.040
<v Speaker 1>five hundred dollars? What is the division of that? What

0:55:41.120 --> 0:55:43.160
<v Speaker 1>is that three hundred dollars per woman? I mean, it's crazy.

0:55:43.200 --> 0:55:44.560
<v Speaker 1>I can't even I.

0:55:45.400 --> 0:55:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Did it, Like, I wonder what the SV like the

0:55:48.600 --> 0:55:51.520
<v Speaker 2>writers like, if it was like, oh, we don't value

0:55:51.560 --> 0:55:54.120
<v Speaker 2>these people and this is a point, or if it

0:55:54.200 --> 0:55:59.680
<v Speaker 2>was just like a random error or realistic like I

0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:02.000
<v Speaker 2>do under because they everything they do is intentional.

0:56:02.520 --> 0:56:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so won and I just googled it so that

0:56:05.080 --> 0:56:07.440
<v Speaker 1>I can correct myself. It is a ten thousand dollars

0:56:07.440 --> 0:56:10.040
<v Speaker 1>reward for if someone gets anyone involved in the shooting

0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:12.239
<v Speaker 1>of Alice a New York police officer, and that's not

0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:15.200
<v Speaker 1>even necessarily if they end up dead. Anyone that's involved

0:56:15.239 --> 0:56:17.320
<v Speaker 1>in a shooting of any kind with a police officer

0:56:17.360 --> 0:56:19.440
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand, but thirty five hundred for these girls.

0:56:19.640 --> 0:56:21.400
<v Speaker 4>I don't I'm not, I don't get it, but I

0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:22.600
<v Speaker 4>did clock it.

0:56:22.600 --> 0:56:26.399
<v Speaker 1>It seemed especially it's true this episode's only from four

0:56:26.400 --> 0:56:28.839
<v Speaker 1>seasons ago, Like yeah, it's not like it's season one

0:56:28.880 --> 0:56:30.799
<v Speaker 1>where they're like three to five hundred dollars is like

0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:35.239
<v Speaker 1>ten grand today or whatever. But anyway, now Velasco is

0:56:35.280 --> 0:56:37.640
<v Speaker 1>info dumping on Finn. He's like, so, the owner of

0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:40.920
<v Speaker 1>the warehouse died ten years ago. He died without a will.

0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:43.400
<v Speaker 1>He owned fifteen buildings in the neighborhood. The family's in

0:56:43.440 --> 0:56:46.640
<v Speaker 1>court fighting over it. They all live in Wuhan, which

0:56:46.680 --> 0:56:50.759
<v Speaker 1>is like a very funny place to be like in

0:56:50.960 --> 0:56:53.960
<v Speaker 1>twenty in twenty twenty one, to be like, this whole

0:56:53.960 --> 0:56:56.360
<v Speaker 1>family is from the origin of COVID. Like that's like

0:56:56.400 --> 0:56:58.239
<v Speaker 1>you could have said Beijing, you could have said many

0:56:58.239 --> 0:57:01.120
<v Speaker 1>other like places in China, but they said Wuhan.

0:57:01.640 --> 0:57:03.080
<v Speaker 4>So anyway.

0:57:03.440 --> 0:57:06.640
<v Speaker 1>So then skateboarder kid Jamal comes up and he's like,

0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:08.799
<v Speaker 1>I told you guys about the vampire and I love

0:57:08.840 --> 0:57:12.360
<v Speaker 1>this kid. And they're like, have you seen the vampire

0:57:12.680 --> 0:57:15.160
<v Speaker 1>and he goes, oh, yeah, like I've seen him before.

0:57:15.200 --> 0:57:16.040
<v Speaker 4>He's white like a.

0:57:16.000 --> 0:57:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Ghost, he's tough, and sometimes he's in a pickup truck

0:57:18.960 --> 0:57:21.640
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, you notice anything about the truck. He's like,

0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:24.560
<v Speaker 1>not really. So then they found out that they have

0:57:25.000 --> 0:57:29.000
<v Speaker 1>possibly located the Connecticut victim's mother. So in the next scene,

0:57:29.480 --> 0:57:32.360
<v Speaker 1>Daria is about to have the sheep pulled back to

0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:35.520
<v Speaker 1>reveal her sister's body and Benson's like, Babe, you don't

0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:37.600
<v Speaker 1>need to do this. We've already ided Tanya with her

0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:40.240
<v Speaker 1>dental records, and Daria's like, no, I really need to

0:57:40.240 --> 0:57:40.640
<v Speaker 1>see her.

0:57:41.160 --> 0:57:43.920
<v Speaker 4>And then the Emmy Truman. He goes, did you bring

0:57:43.960 --> 0:57:44.920
<v Speaker 4>the photo of the two of you?

0:57:45.000 --> 0:57:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Like I asked, and she pulls out a framed picture

0:57:47.680 --> 0:57:49.480
<v Speaker 1>of the two of them and he's like, put it

0:57:49.480 --> 0:57:51.640
<v Speaker 1>down there. She puts it on a table like sort

0:57:51.680 --> 0:57:53.880
<v Speaker 1>of near the body, and he tells her, I want

0:57:53.920 --> 0:57:56.120
<v Speaker 1>you to look at the body very briefly and then

0:57:56.120 --> 0:57:58.960
<v Speaker 1>look at the photo because that's really your sister, that's

0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:01.960
<v Speaker 1>who you want to remember. And I feel like this

0:58:02.000 --> 0:58:05.120
<v Speaker 1>is all like extremely thoughtful and extra mile of this emmy.

0:58:05.400 --> 0:58:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Like we've seen a lot of sheets pulled back and

0:58:07.800 --> 0:58:11.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot of hysterical mothers seeing like tiny kids on

0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:14.200
<v Speaker 1>the table, and no one's ever suggested anything like this.

0:58:14.320 --> 0:58:17.240
<v Speaker 1>It's like very not to shade Melinda or anything, but

0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:20.640
<v Speaker 1>this is like a very extra mile move of this emmy,

0:58:20.680 --> 0:58:23.720
<v Speaker 1>I feel. So they pull back the sheet, she cries,

0:58:23.880 --> 0:58:26.080
<v Speaker 1>She runs to the frame photo and looks at it,

0:58:26.120 --> 0:58:29.840
<v Speaker 1>and then she leaves, and the emmy says it's very

0:58:29.880 --> 0:58:33.040
<v Speaker 1>common to insist on seeing the remains and lives, like, yeah,

0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:35.760
<v Speaker 1>I've never She's like moved. She's like, I've never seen

0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:38.280
<v Speaker 1>this little photo trick before, and he goes the brain

0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:41.400
<v Speaker 1>doesn't need to retain an image of a cold, traumatized body.

0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:44.400
<v Speaker 1>I was trying to encourage the recall of happy memories.

0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:47.520
<v Speaker 1>And there's like this moment where Live is like speechless.

0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:49.520
<v Speaker 1>She touches the guy on the arm and she's like

0:58:49.920 --> 0:58:52.120
<v Speaker 1>basically makes like an eye movement of I gotta go,

0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:55.480
<v Speaker 1>but she doesn't say anything like she's very touched by this.

0:58:55.600 --> 0:59:01.080
<v Speaker 4>Some moment, and definitely it feels like something.

0:59:01.160 --> 0:59:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Even though this is definitely in the in the Graziano

0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:07.320
<v Speaker 1>years of the show, wherever all the crimes are so

0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:09.880
<v Speaker 1>fucking dark, that little moment kind of seems like something

0:59:09.880 --> 0:59:11.520
<v Speaker 1>that would have like a bead Wong would have done

0:59:11.560 --> 0:59:12.360
<v Speaker 1>something like that.

0:59:12.240 --> 0:59:13.800
<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean. That seems like an older

0:59:13.840 --> 0:59:14.280
<v Speaker 4>thing to do.

0:59:15.160 --> 0:59:18.800
<v Speaker 1>So in Connecticut, they're talking to Meredith's mom, Lois, who

0:59:18.880 --> 0:59:22.560
<v Speaker 1>is played by Nina Hellman, who I recognize as an

0:59:22.600 --> 0:59:25.520
<v Speaker 1>absolute legend from Wet Hot American Summer if you are,

0:59:25.520 --> 0:59:28.720
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, if you're a wet hothead like I am.

0:59:28.840 --> 0:59:31.800
<v Speaker 1>She's the camp nurse Nancy, Like when they're going into town,

0:59:31.880 --> 0:59:33.600
<v Speaker 1>she goes, can you get me some lube?

0:59:33.640 --> 0:59:36.880
<v Speaker 4>And they're like what, She's like lube, They're my bussy.

0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:42.600
<v Speaker 1>It's like the wildest character that would actually funny, such

0:59:42.640 --> 0:59:47.160
<v Speaker 1>a good group costume. My sister did it in Oh Cool.

0:59:47.640 --> 0:59:49.880
<v Speaker 1>My sister did it in college, and she was the beekeeper.

0:59:49.920 --> 0:59:51.480
<v Speaker 1>She was the kid that never takes a shower and

0:59:51.520 --> 0:59:54.480
<v Speaker 1>he runs the radio station that's like unplugged. Yeah, like

0:59:54.560 --> 0:59:56.520
<v Speaker 1>we threw away her beekeeper outfit when she moved to

0:59:56.520 --> 1:00:00.160
<v Speaker 1>New York. But uh, yeah, her and her friend and

1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:02.120
<v Speaker 1>college used to do great group costumes. They did World

1:00:02.160 --> 1:00:07.440
<v Speaker 1>ten of Bombs. One year they did Wet Hot, So fun. Anyway,

1:00:08.680 --> 1:00:11.880
<v Speaker 1>her grandson is sitting there playing. He looks to be

1:00:12.160 --> 1:00:15.120
<v Speaker 1>about like eight or something and lives like maybe he

1:00:15.160 --> 1:00:17.880
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be here, and Lois is like, oh, he's on

1:00:17.960 --> 1:00:20.280
<v Speaker 1>the spectrum and he gets very anxious if he's away

1:00:20.280 --> 1:00:22.920
<v Speaker 1>from me. But he's not listening anyway, like I'll tell

1:00:22.960 --> 1:00:26.120
<v Speaker 1>him about his mother later. And then Finn says, which

1:00:26.160 --> 1:00:27.960
<v Speaker 1>is kind of wild to act like he just like

1:00:28.080 --> 1:00:31.800
<v Speaker 1>can't hear anything. But Finn goes, We're really sorry about Meredith,

1:00:31.880 --> 1:00:33.760
<v Speaker 1>and the mom goes, well, I knew it was going

1:00:33.840 --> 1:00:36.240
<v Speaker 1>to end this way. Meredith was always running off with

1:00:36.320 --> 1:00:39.200
<v Speaker 1>bad boys. It started when she was fifteen. The last

1:00:39.240 --> 1:00:41.400
<v Speaker 1>boy she ran off with, though, was more of a man.

1:00:41.840 --> 1:00:42.280
<v Speaker 4>She says.

1:00:42.320 --> 1:00:44.440
<v Speaker 1>He was a carneye. She met him at one of

1:00:44.440 --> 1:00:49.480
<v Speaker 1>those town fairs, and you know, one day she took

1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Jack to the carnival, and then she went back another

1:00:51.960 --> 1:00:54.320
<v Speaker 1>day on her own, and then when the carnival closed down,

1:00:54.640 --> 1:00:55.800
<v Speaker 1>she took off with this guy.

1:00:56.320 --> 1:00:58.600
<v Speaker 4>And whenever I do hear Carney, I do think of

1:00:59.320 --> 1:01:01.920
<v Speaker 4>leaon Real Housewives of Dallas. I don't know if you

1:01:01.960 --> 1:01:02.640
<v Speaker 4>ever watched that.

1:01:02.760 --> 1:01:05.600
<v Speaker 2>I never watched Dallas. When I hear Carney, I think

1:01:05.600 --> 1:01:08.080
<v Speaker 2>of the wife swap episode where it was a Carnival

1:01:08.120 --> 1:01:11.120
<v Speaker 2>family and I forgot the other family because obviously the

1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:13.560
<v Speaker 2>opposite of Carnival and it was hard for her.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, back to the Mummies. All right, So we're in Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking at the nurse from Wet Hot but the Mummy.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry to bring it up, but it is one of

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<v Speaker 2>those you know how I love like a star when

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<v Speaker 2>you watch a movie and you're like, oh, they're about

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<v Speaker 2>to be a star. I'll uh like Melissa McCarthy and Bridesmaids,

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<v Speaker 2>and I feel like that was Rachel Weiss in that movie.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, oh, I've never seen the Mummy. You've never seen

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<v Speaker 4>the Mummy. That's really not a movie I will ever watch. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>I was a kid. We went as a family, but

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<v Speaker 4>I went every part of the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought it was such a big deal. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't believe you didn't see Mummy. Like to me, that

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<v Speaker 2>was like an event. No, we saw the Mummy and

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<v Speaker 2>we loved the Mummy.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm shocked.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I forget that The Mummy is like I

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<v Speaker 1>think I did a Mummy escape room at the like

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<v Speaker 1>in Hollywood once, like, but I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>It grows in nineteen ninety nine, it grows four hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty two million worldwide.

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<v Speaker 4>I was at the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>I was in college, so I was like, not going

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<v Speaker 1>to see that many movies. I guess except on holiday breaks.

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<v Speaker 4>I should watch it. I guess. I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>you should watch you with the kids. I think it's

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<v Speaker 4>PG throutine.

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<v Speaker 1>Jared was wearing he has a T shirt of the

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<v Speaker 1>Original Mummy, and one time he was at TSA and

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<v Speaker 1>this guy goes, yo, Original Mummy come this way.

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<v Speaker 4>So people do love the Mummy.

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<v Speaker 2>I really hope you like it. It's like a fun action

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<v Speaker 2>movie with and paleontology. Archaeology, I mean archaeology doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>like paleontologists is just dinosaury archaeology like sexy archaeologists.

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<v Speaker 4>That's hot. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's telling them all about the Carnie, about how

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<v Speaker 1>Meredith ran off with the carnival when it closed down.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a classic story from like the nineteen tens,

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like, and she's like, I called the police,

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<v Speaker 1>but oh, man, I don't remember the exact date I

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<v Speaker 1>last saw her. And it's like you would think you

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<v Speaker 1>would have that date like emblazoned in your mind, but

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<v Speaker 1>guess who does Jack. He pipes up and goes July seventh,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen, and he's like, They're like, what are you

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, And he's like, that's the day mommy left.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw her get into his truck. And they're like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>do you remember anything about the truck. He's like gray

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey six, I l I nine zero. Fuck this

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<v Speaker 1>kid got the plates and everything. And Lois is like, Jack,

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<v Speaker 1>you never told me that, and he goes, Mommy said

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<v Speaker 1>not to. She said she'd be back soon and not

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<v Speaker 1>to make grandma worried. So this is even like so

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<v Speaker 1>sad too, like because this guy like whatever, we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>in we get into it later.

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<v Speaker 4>But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like sad that this poor fucking kid is like

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<v Speaker 1>had all this information. Anyway, they roll up to the

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<v Speaker 1>house that this that car is registered to and they

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<v Speaker 1>spot the truck with the plates right outside. The lights

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<v Speaker 1>are on in the house and it's just Rollin's and Velasco, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know I'm like, I don't know, uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>the lights are on. A woman comes down the stairs

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<v Speaker 1>to take out the trash and she's like, who are

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<v Speaker 1>you and they're like, we're looking for Trace Lambert and

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<v Speaker 1>she goes, he's not home.

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<v Speaker 4>And then you hear, MA, who you talking too?

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<v Speaker 1>And this guy comes out, weary AirPods and lighting a cigarette.

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<v Speaker 1>Take you to him, headphones out, and then Rollins is like, hey, buddy,

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<v Speaker 1>we're wondering if you could come into the city and

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<v Speaker 1>talk with us. And it's like, I've seen you guys

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<v Speaker 1>roll in with SWAT team for like someone that maybe.

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<v Speaker 4>Took one person.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy might have fourteen bodies and a full kill

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<v Speaker 1>cave in the Bronx and you're like, hey, you want

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<v Speaker 1>to come downtown And.

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<v Speaker 4>They sent two people.

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<v Speaker 1>So just when you kind of think he's about to run,

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<v Speaker 1>just what you think he's about to run, there are

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<v Speaker 1>one police car rolls up, So you're not going anywhere, buddy,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like and the mom's like, I'm coming with you,

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<v Speaker 1>and he goes, MA, I can handle this. Like they

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<v Speaker 1>have kind of a funny dynamic that it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>become more apparent later.

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<v Speaker 4>So back at the squad room.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going through this guy's record vandalism, disorderly conduct, public urination,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, he's very organized, he's methodical. He hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>left a trace of his own DNA. He works at

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<v Speaker 1>a carnival up and down the Eastern seaboard for eight

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<v Speaker 1>months out of the year, and then he lives with

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<v Speaker 1>Ma the other four months of the year in New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>So all the victims have disappeared in late fall, early winter,

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<v Speaker 1>so that would actually work with his timeline, his Carney timeline.

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<v Speaker 1>So now he's in cement room bars and Ma is

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<v Speaker 1>in woodroom blinds and Benson sends velasko go in and

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<v Speaker 1>give her coffee and play the goods son like, because

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<v Speaker 1>they can already tell something's weird with these two. So

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<v Speaker 1>now we're in with Trace Lambert and he is played

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<v Speaker 1>by Blake DeLong, and he's not offering much. They ask

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<v Speaker 1>do you recognize any of these girls? He goes, I

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<v Speaker 1>meet a lot of people. I'm on the road a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he was They're like, were you in the

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<v Speaker 1>city Sunday night? He goes, I don't think so, and

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<v Speaker 1>Rollins is like, well think again. We've got your car

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<v Speaker 1>crossing the GWB on cams, like, don't just say you

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<v Speaker 1>were in the city. And then we've got your truck

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<v Speaker 1>park near the warehouse where this girl's body was found.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're showing her him a picture of Tanya

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<v Speaker 1>and then he gets this card immediately yeah really and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, oh, so he goes, somebody really did a

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<v Speaker 1>numb on those poor girls, and Rollins goes, he mummified them,

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<v Speaker 1>bone saws, space heaters like the whole bit, and Finn's like,

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<v Speaker 1>if we run your credit card, are we going to

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<v Speaker 1>find that stuff? And he goes, I don't know, heaters

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<v Speaker 1>from home like you might. My mom is sixty five.

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<v Speaker 1>She gets cold in the winter. And then he kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like smiles, like this guy is smug, like he

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<v Speaker 1>thinks he's He's like, I'm the captain now. And now

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<v Speaker 1>Velasco is in with the mom, pumping her for info,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's like, he's always been like this. He came

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<v Speaker 1>out white as a sheet, flat and quiet, like a

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<v Speaker 1>dead fish. Like talking to me about the day her

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<v Speaker 1>son was born. She said, yeah, he was in the

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<v Speaker 1>city on Sunday. He said he was headed into the

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<v Speaker 1>city to meet a girl. And she said I.

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<v Speaker 4>Knew it was a lie. And they're like, how did

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<v Speaker 4>you know that?

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<v Speaker 1>And she goes, you take a look at him, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, they make him look like kind of freaky,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not like he's like super grow you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like but she's trashing her son.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Benson walks in and Belasco goes, oh, Ma was just

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<v Speaker 1>telling me that Trace isn't good with women, and she goes, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what I said was he's a loser, and uh, yikes,

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<v Speaker 1>tell me about your son, she said. She goes, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you'd be interested, but since you're asking,

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<v Speaker 1>like she seems like somebody who wants to, Like she

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<v Speaker 1>never gets to talk to anyone except for her son,

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<v Speaker 1>who probably tells her to shut the fuck up. So

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<v Speaker 1>just anybody like expressing interest. She's like, oh, you want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about my son? I have time, yea.

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<v Speaker 2>And I am looking at photos of him for him

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<v Speaker 2>his life and I'm not scared, you know, like he

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<v Speaker 2>is such a good actor.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, and he is.

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<v Speaker 2>He is.

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<v Speaker 4>He's freaky. Freaks me out, he I mean, that's why

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<v Speaker 4>I texted you. I like saw that and I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>we gotta get this freak.

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<v Speaker 1>He definitely also gives me William Lewis, Like, he gives

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<v Speaker 1>me William Lewis, Like his face is a little freaky,

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<v Speaker 1>like a younger brother of William Lewis.

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<v Speaker 4>Like that's what I got. You're right.

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<v Speaker 2>When all the ghosts in the final few episodes of

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<v Speaker 2>the series come to haunt Benson.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, those really gonna be like together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when she dreams of all her success.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so mom is spilling it with Velasco back with Trace.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes, I don't know these girls and they're not

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<v Speaker 1>my type. I like them classier. And then Benson walks

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<v Speaker 1>in and you know, he's like, she's like, hit the road,

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<v Speaker 1>Velasco and Rowlands when you take a little break, she go.

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<v Speaker 1>They go, well, we've been talking to your mom, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, she's a lonely old lady. And Benson goes, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I just got an earful about how much

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<v Speaker 1>you suck with the ladies. And he says, he goes,

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<v Speaker 1>I've had girlfriends, And so then Live brings up Meredith

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<v Speaker 1>and she said, she goes, yeah, your mom and Meredith

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<v Speaker 1>talked about you a lot and how Meredith was out

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<v Speaker 1>of your league, and you know, the mom thought Meredith

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<v Speaker 1>was just with you because she pitied you and stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>And he's like, that's not true. Meredith loved me.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's like already admitting the relationship between one of

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<v Speaker 1>the victims. Right, like we have found Meredith's bodies, he's

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<v Speaker 1>admitting that he added this girlfriend. So your mom also said, also,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy hasn't lawyered up. He's like so meticulous, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's like so cocky, like I don't need a lawyer

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm just going to get out of this. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's like uh So she goes, well, yeah, your mom

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<v Speaker 1>said that you weren't smart enough or ambitious enough to

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<v Speaker 1>commit this crime, and that Carnie Work was like your limit.

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<v Speaker 1>And Benson's playing this freak and I love to see it,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I like to watch her do this little game

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<v Speaker 1>with these guys.

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<v Speaker 4>We've seen her do it before him here she is

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<v Speaker 4>doing it again.

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<v Speaker 1>Benson starts painting a beautiful portrait of this perp. Intelligent, methodical,

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<v Speaker 1>They found victims no one would look for. They found

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<v Speaker 1>a location and kept it hidden for ten years. So

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<v Speaker 1>the guy goes, so you think this guy is smart

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<v Speaker 1>and she goes, oh, yeah, this guy is special. When

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<v Speaker 1>they find him, they're going to make documentaries about him,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, we're in the height of Netflix at

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<v Speaker 1>the point of this episode.

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<v Speaker 4>I wonder if.

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<v Speaker 2>Netflix's a thing, though, Like, I do want a documentary

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<v Speaker 2>about the effect of documentaries and the influx of like

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<v Speaker 2>crime or like people wanting fame, Like I am curious.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because back in the day, so many serial killers

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<v Speaker 1>were like headlines, headlines newspapers, right, and now it's like

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<v Speaker 1>that's not really a thing anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>If you want to really have your name out there, there's.

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<v Speaker 1>Got to be a hot dock about you, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>then if you're lucky, a Ryan Murphy show or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. You know, So this guy, you know, they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to make docs about him, and Live goes, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean ten years and the owner of the building didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even know he was there, and he scoffs this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes, shows how much you know the owner, that

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese guy. I heard he's dead. And then she goes,

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<v Speaker 1>So you follow the case, the case that just broke yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>the case that.

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<v Speaker 4>Just broke you always, I see you've been reading up

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<v Speaker 4>on it. Maybe I underestimated you.

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<v Speaker 1>So now liv goes, Live starts doing the whole like Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well you're smart, and I need a smart guy to

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<v Speaker 1>help me figure this out. So let me run my

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<v Speaker 1>theories by you. That's like what she's you know, playing,

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<v Speaker 1>And she goes, I figure this guy is smart, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's also lucky, and and Trace goes, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>he's just smart, really smart. And then she goes, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you think he just found an abandoned building where the

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<v Speaker 1>owner just happens.

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<v Speaker 4>To be dead.

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<v Speaker 1>And the guy goes, he didn't happen to be dead,

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<v Speaker 1>and they go She goes, oh, you knew him.

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<v Speaker 4>He goes, it's what I heard.

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<v Speaker 1>He's barely This guy's barely trying to cover up his story.

1:11:14.120 --> 1:11:17.639
<v Speaker 1>He's so has such a boner to confess his crimes.

1:11:18.160 --> 1:11:20.960
<v Speaker 4>And he goes, no, it's what I heard.

1:11:21.040 --> 1:11:23.320
<v Speaker 1>The killer pretended to be a buyer, sat down with

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<v Speaker 1>the owner to seal the deal over tee yum cha.

1:11:26.120 --> 1:11:28.160
<v Speaker 4>He called it. He never saw it coming.

1:11:28.240 --> 1:11:30.679
<v Speaker 1>The tea was poisoned, made it look like a heart attack,

1:11:31.080 --> 1:11:34.120
<v Speaker 1>and Liv goes, wow, that is a good plan, and

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<v Speaker 1>he goes, yeah, it was. It was my plan. And

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<v Speaker 1>Benson's like, ha, okay, sure it was, little buddy. I mean,

1:11:40.920 --> 1:11:45.000
<v Speaker 1>we never like Benson gave a full like uh okay, lolbud,

1:11:45.120 --> 1:11:47.960
<v Speaker 1>like it was so sarcastic, and then Teres goes, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it was I swear I killed him.

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<v Speaker 4>I killed all of them.

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<v Speaker 1>They were my girls, they were mine, and you had

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<v Speaker 1>no right to go in there and disturbed ten years

1:11:55.960 --> 1:11:58.679
<v Speaker 1>of my work. Then he picks up the fucking photos

1:11:58.840 --> 1:12:01.760
<v Speaker 1>and he starts giving detail tales for each one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so sick, like, he goes, oh, Tanya, she screamed

1:12:05.200 --> 1:12:09.360
<v Speaker 1>for her sister, Beauty couldn't stop shaking, d she pissed herself,

1:12:09.360 --> 1:12:12.400
<v Speaker 1>like talking about how terrified these women were as he

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<v Speaker 1>was killing them and torturing them. And he goes, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>and Meredith, she just kept saying no, no, no no,

1:12:17.800 --> 1:12:20.240
<v Speaker 1>And then he goes, I kept her alive for days,

1:12:20.840 --> 1:12:23.280
<v Speaker 1>and he says, I killed all of them, all of them.

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<v Speaker 1>You tell my mother, that tell her what I did.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like fucking creep city, like, well.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I learned, Like you know how you're

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<v Speaker 2>most likely a woman's most likely to be killed by

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<v Speaker 2>an intimate partner and then of acquaintance kind of murders.

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<v Speaker 2>The second is son's killing mothers Oh, mattreside Wow, interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just that just oh wait, that just happened in

1:12:53.240 --> 1:12:58.080
<v Speaker 1>my hometown. In my hometown, this kid, and I'm from

1:12:58.080 --> 1:13:03.439
<v Speaker 1>a small town. This kid just murdered his mom. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've been it's been you know, of course everyone knows.

1:13:08.720 --> 1:13:11.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm famously still on Facebook and they know where I'm from,

1:13:11.840 --> 1:13:14.120
<v Speaker 1>so they've been posts, they've been giving me news articles

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Uh yeah, yeah, I think he like beat

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<v Speaker 1>her to death and then they found him in the woods,

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<v Speaker 1>being like my mom, my mom, Like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to like look up more about this case, but.

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<v Speaker 4>It's yeah, nu Canaan Manecus.

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<v Speaker 1>And I got to ask my best friend because she

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<v Speaker 1>teaches there and be like, did you know this kid?

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<v Speaker 4>He just graduated a couple years ago. But so fucked.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, what I think is so weird is how

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<v Speaker 1>many times we've seen in this show and in just

1:13:40.800 --> 1:13:44.360
<v Speaker 1>knowing true crime as we do, how many guys become

1:13:44.479 --> 1:13:49.080
<v Speaker 1>serial killers to impress their moms. And sometimes I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>with something like this, with the mummification and the evisceration,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, you know, how so many moms are like, oh,

1:13:55.400 --> 1:13:57.280
<v Speaker 1>I could have had a doctor for a son. I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if they do these like super medical protect medical

1:14:00.520 --> 1:14:03.040
<v Speaker 1>procedures to be like, well, look what I learned how

1:14:03.040 --> 1:14:04.559
<v Speaker 1>to do, Like I learned how to do all this

1:14:04.560 --> 1:14:09.120
<v Speaker 1>stuff with the body. And you know, even though because

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<v Speaker 1>like realistically you're not going to go to medical school,

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<v Speaker 1>but like I wonder, you know, because it's like and

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<v Speaker 1>then I think part of it is also I got

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<v Speaker 1>away with it for so long. Look how smart I am?

1:14:18.040 --> 1:14:24.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, ugh to impress your mom? Jesus fucked up, Oscar.

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<v Speaker 1>Please don't please don't, honey, if you're listening to this,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're the best.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think you need to kill anyone. Okay. Live.

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<v Speaker 1>Then at the last scene, she hangs up with Careesy.

1:14:34.000 --> 1:14:37.400
<v Speaker 1>TRACE's lawyer cut a deal. He'll plead guilty to a

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<v Speaker 1>dozen homicides to avoid federal charges.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, I count fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I count fifteen so far, because he had fourteen victims

1:14:43.800 --> 1:14:46.040
<v Speaker 1>that they found, plus he admitted to killing this Chinese man.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's fifteen victims. But that's just New York.

1:14:51.080 --> 1:14:53.519
<v Speaker 1>Finn points out the FBI is checking the whole East

1:14:53.520 --> 1:14:55.920
<v Speaker 1>coast to see if he did any other murders while

1:14:55.920 --> 1:14:57.479
<v Speaker 1>he was on the road with the carnival and he

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<v Speaker 1>could still get the death penalty for those.

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<v Speaker 4>To me, I feel like.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy needs, like he doesn't have enough time on

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<v Speaker 1>the road with the carnival, like to set up a

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<v Speaker 1>full kill area and pumifacation.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't mummify the Chinese guy, did he? No, well,

1:15:12.160 --> 1:15:14.120
<v Speaker 2>they didn't find him, no exactly. Yeah, so I think

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<v Speaker 2>he does other crimes too, Like this is passion crimes,

1:15:16.840 --> 1:15:18.960
<v Speaker 2>but he'll kill for survival, He'll.

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<v Speaker 4>Kill for necessity. Yeah that's true too, that's true. Or

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<v Speaker 4>if he gets an urge.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean imagine you have to just like check

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<v Speaker 1>all the dates of carnivals on the whole East Coast

1:15:29.520 --> 1:15:33.200
<v Speaker 1>for ten years and match them up to like open

1:15:33.240 --> 1:15:36.519
<v Speaker 1>homicides that could be this psycho. Oh thank god for

1:15:36.600 --> 1:15:40.040
<v Speaker 1>the computer programs I guess that do that. But they

1:15:40.080 --> 1:15:43.000
<v Speaker 1>walk over to Emmy Truman, who explains that he was

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<v Speaker 1>able to id two more of the victims, and Benson's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what about the rest?

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<v Speaker 4>Will you be able to id them?

1:15:47.920 --> 1:15:50.040
<v Speaker 1>And he goes, I don't know, but after what they've

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<v Speaker 1>been through, I'm not going to abandon them now. So

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<v Speaker 1>they're really trying to get us to love this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Truman and I'm I like him here. He's doing a

1:15:56.880 --> 1:16:00.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of great work. And then Beauty's grandmother. We've heard

1:16:00.960 --> 1:16:03.479
<v Speaker 1>her referenced earlier with the mirror that Beauty had in

1:16:03.479 --> 1:16:05.760
<v Speaker 1>her purse, and Finn goes to greet her, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like sad because I think that final sighting of

1:16:08.840 --> 1:16:11.400
<v Speaker 1>the grandma is like they tried. They try to make

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<v Speaker 1>it seem like no one cares about these girls, but

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<v Speaker 1>there are people that do, Like there was Daria, there's

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<v Speaker 1>this grandma, Like there are people that just maybe couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>help them get off the streets, but do care about them,

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't deserve to just be like wiped out

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<v Speaker 1>because they're not. They're not cases that aren't no humans involved,

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<v Speaker 1>as that fucking bastard Precinct was calling them. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the episode just ends with live staring at pictures of

1:16:34.120 --> 1:16:38.200
<v Speaker 1>the victims, and that's dick wolf Baby, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait for the episode where like Noah eventually

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<v Speaker 2>finds the mummy photos and then you know, I just

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<v Speaker 2>explain what she does. Oh my god, that episode is coming.

1:16:48.200 --> 1:16:50.439
<v Speaker 2>You know he's gonna find something. I guess you already

1:16:50.439 --> 1:16:55.320
<v Speaker 2>found stuff about Johnny ded but yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait for them to do the episode where

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<v Speaker 1>Noah gets in trouble and Benson has to do her

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<v Speaker 1>Stabler shit where she decides to cover it up or

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<v Speaker 1>to help or whatever, because they're going to get to that,

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<v Speaker 1>right yeah, yeah, yeah, Noah's going to do something that's

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe not that bad, or a friend peer pressured

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<v Speaker 1>him or something.

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<v Speaker 4>So Samuel Little not related to Chicken Little.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So this is the choken strokecase, which you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not a great nickname, I guess, but says a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>I hate it.

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<v Speaker 2>So sam Little, in twenty eighteen, he did confess to

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<v Speaker 2>killing ninety three women what between nineteen seventy and two

1:17:38.960 --> 1:17:44.960
<v Speaker 2>thousand and five, spanning sixteen states. Oh shit, And so

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<v Speaker 2>he sat down with Texas ranger James Holland from June

1:17:48.479 --> 1:17:51.040
<v Speaker 2>twenty eighteen to write before his death in twenty twenty

1:17:51.560 --> 1:17:53.560
<v Speaker 2>and he did this very Hannibal lecter to get a

1:17:53.600 --> 1:17:57.280
<v Speaker 2>prison transfer. So he was like, I'll tell you everything,

1:17:57.360 --> 1:18:00.320
<v Speaker 2>all the victims, and he had a photographic memory, was

1:18:00.479 --> 1:18:04.599
<v Speaker 2>able to describe everything, how he met these women, killed them,

1:18:04.640 --> 1:18:08.080
<v Speaker 2>what they looked like. He wasn't accurate in terms of

1:18:08.120 --> 1:18:11.200
<v Speaker 2>time frame or distance. So he was off by decades

1:18:11.200 --> 1:18:14.479
<v Speaker 2>and miles, like that was not part of his brain.

1:18:15.200 --> 1:18:19.600
<v Speaker 2>But he also sketched his victims and like chilling accuracy.

1:18:20.720 --> 1:18:24.680
<v Speaker 2>There's like a lot of side by sides, and they

1:18:24.680 --> 1:18:27.160
<v Speaker 2>gave him colored pencils or their oils, but they're like

1:18:28.080 --> 1:18:31.240
<v Speaker 2>they're haunting because it's really sad.

1:18:31.600 --> 1:18:34.960
<v Speaker 4>The drawings are like good, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm honestly surprising I haven't heard of this guy when

1:18:39.200 --> 1:18:40.880
<v Speaker 1>he has so many victims.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I wonder if it's because he's black. Oh, I

1:18:44.520 --> 1:18:46.360
<v Speaker 4>would think. I don't think that the media.

1:18:46.720 --> 1:18:51.360
<v Speaker 1>The media loves to promote like people of color being criminals,

1:18:51.400 --> 1:18:52.080
<v Speaker 1>do you know what I mean?

1:18:52.600 --> 1:18:54.920
<v Speaker 2>And because he killed text workers, that don't matter, Like

1:18:55.120 --> 1:18:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I'm not really sure why we don't

1:18:57.000 --> 1:18:57.600
<v Speaker 2>know much about it.

1:18:57.880 --> 1:19:01.120
<v Speaker 4>It's like Ted Bundy was killing co Ed's, you know, like, yeah,

1:19:01.160 --> 1:19:05.800
<v Speaker 4>I get that. Yeah, I wonder you're right. Black people

1:19:05.880 --> 1:19:09.840
<v Speaker 4>get caught more. I don't know. I also think that

1:19:09.880 --> 1:19:10.280
<v Speaker 4>they don't.

1:19:10.360 --> 1:19:12.920
<v Speaker 1>I think that that they like to paint the picture

1:19:13.080 --> 1:19:17.160
<v Speaker 1>of white serial killers as like geniuses who outsmart them

1:19:17.320 --> 1:19:20.960
<v Speaker 1>and they could not say, oh, this man outsmarted us

1:19:21.000 --> 1:19:24.000
<v Speaker 1>for fucking thirty five years and we never or whatever,

1:19:24.040 --> 1:19:25.559
<v Speaker 1>how many of her years it was twenty five.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, maybe you're right. It's scary, and I don't think

1:19:28.040 --> 1:19:29.800
<v Speaker 4>they should have let him have colored pencils, but I

1:19:29.800 --> 1:19:32.160
<v Speaker 4>guess that could have helped us, like identify some of

1:19:32.200 --> 1:19:34.080
<v Speaker 4>the women that haven't been I don't know.

1:19:34.160 --> 1:19:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, but yeah, the women had a lot of personality.

1:19:39.479 --> 1:19:43.760
<v Speaker 2>He saw them as vibrant beings and like, but yet

1:19:43.760 --> 1:19:47.120
<v Speaker 2>he disposed of them like they were truly nothing. He

1:19:47.240 --> 1:19:49.719
<v Speaker 2>was also like he was speaking to a journalist about

1:19:49.760 --> 1:19:52.880
<v Speaker 2>his art, and he was trying not to be offensive,

1:19:53.080 --> 1:19:55.000
<v Speaker 2>and so in answering the questions, he goes, oh, I

1:19:55.000 --> 1:19:57.320
<v Speaker 2>would draw the girls, I mean women, I mean ladies,

1:19:57.880 --> 1:20:01.320
<v Speaker 2>searching for a term that was like least offensive. But

1:20:02.680 --> 1:20:05.519
<v Speaker 2>this journalist, it's for the cut. It's a long piece.

1:20:05.600 --> 1:20:10.080
<v Speaker 2>It's Jillian Lauren, and it'll be a source throughout. And

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<v Speaker 2>she ended up having meetings with him in the prison,

1:20:13.680 --> 1:20:17.439
<v Speaker 2>as the Texas Ranger was so towards that. So they

1:20:17.439 --> 1:20:20.719
<v Speaker 2>were like within months apart, and she went every weekend.

1:20:20.760 --> 1:20:22.920
<v Speaker 2>She would drive and talk to him in prison, and

1:20:22.960 --> 1:20:25.439
<v Speaker 2>they exchange letters and all this stuff. But she's like

1:20:25.479 --> 1:20:28.360
<v Speaker 2>the real answer is victims. They were victims. But like

1:20:28.400 --> 1:20:31.559
<v Speaker 2>it's so interesting that he's like, oh, ladies, but it's

1:20:31.600 --> 1:20:36.120
<v Speaker 2>like you truly strangle them. Okay, So classic backstory and

1:20:36.160 --> 1:20:42.400
<v Speaker 2>it's told by this cut journalist Julian Lauren and teen

1:20:42.479 --> 1:20:44.880
<v Speaker 2>mother abandoned him as an infant on the side of

1:20:44.920 --> 1:20:47.200
<v Speaker 2>the dirt road, and then he dropped out of high

1:20:47.200 --> 1:20:50.680
<v Speaker 2>school in Ohio. He was a competitive boxer and that

1:20:50.800 --> 1:20:52.519
<v Speaker 2>informs his strength and size.

1:20:52.560 --> 1:20:55.840
<v Speaker 4>He was like a big fighter dude, So that sucks.

1:20:55.920 --> 1:20:58.720
<v Speaker 2>And then he began living a nomadic lifestyle and he

1:20:58.800 --> 1:21:02.120
<v Speaker 2>had his first arrest in nineteen fifty six. But this

1:21:02.240 --> 1:21:05.120
<v Speaker 2>dude never had an address, never registered a car, no

1:21:05.240 --> 1:21:08.559
<v Speaker 2>credit cards, nothing. He spent three years in prison for

1:21:08.640 --> 1:21:11.320
<v Speaker 2>robbing a furniture store in Ohio and then, according to

1:21:11.320 --> 1:21:15.880
<v Speaker 2>the FBI, shoplifted, fraud, drug charges, solicitation, breaking, and entering.

1:21:16.600 --> 1:21:23.080
<v Speaker 2>He got arrested for like decades Ohio, Maryland, Florida, Main Connecticut, Oregon, Colorado, Pennsylvania,

1:21:23.120 --> 1:21:26.200
<v Speaker 2>New Jersey, Arizona, Georgia, Illinois, Missouri, California, on and on on.

1:21:26.640 --> 1:21:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Assaulted a police officer, grand theft, unlawful fight to avoid prosecution,

1:21:31.760 --> 1:21:38.840
<v Speaker 2>resisting arrest, battery, false imprisonment, assault with great bodily injury, robbery, rape, sodomy.

1:21:39.160 --> 1:21:42.479
<v Speaker 2>For all of this combined total time ten years in jail.

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<v Speaker 1>My god, it's like these nineteen fifty sixty seventies prison

1:21:48.040 --> 1:21:50.320
<v Speaker 1>sentences are so wild.

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<v Speaker 2>So September nineteen seventy six, Little was arrested in Sunset Hills,

1:21:53.840 --> 1:21:56.479
<v Speaker 2>Missouri for the rape, assault, and great bodily injury and

1:21:56.600 --> 1:21:57.720
<v Speaker 2>robbery of Pamela K.

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<v Speaker 4>Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>She showed up hysteriracle on a stranger's doorstep after escaping

1:22:02.240 --> 1:22:05.839
<v Speaker 2>his car, running nearly naked through the night, her hands

1:22:05.880 --> 1:22:07.040
<v Speaker 2>bound behind.

1:22:06.680 --> 1:22:08.519
<v Speaker 4>Her with cloth and electrical cord.

1:22:09.040 --> 1:22:12.360
<v Speaker 2>He had strangled her, bit her, beaten her, sodomized her.

1:22:12.880 --> 1:22:15.760
<v Speaker 2>He was convicted of the lesser charge of assault with

1:22:15.800 --> 1:22:19.599
<v Speaker 2>attempt to ravish attempt to ravish and served three months.

1:22:20.479 --> 1:22:24.360
<v Speaker 2>So three years for robbing a furniture store, three months

1:22:24.640 --> 1:22:25.840
<v Speaker 2>for what that woman went.

1:22:25.760 --> 1:22:28.960
<v Speaker 4>Three years for a couch, three months for a woman.

1:22:29.280 --> 1:22:33.599
<v Speaker 2>It's fucking crazy cases like this across the whole country.

1:22:33.920 --> 1:22:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Years he's he was arrested for horrific crimes and then

1:22:37.479 --> 1:22:39.520
<v Speaker 2>serving no time because the states.

1:22:39.280 --> 1:22:41.240
<v Speaker 1>Aren't talking to each other, so they all kind of

1:22:41.240 --> 1:22:42.040
<v Speaker 1>thinks it's new.

1:22:42.120 --> 1:22:43.400
<v Speaker 4>It's his first offense and.

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<v Speaker 2>We go into ViCAP and it's like, that's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the issues is that it's not mandatory, it's elective, so

1:22:50.280 --> 1:22:52.640
<v Speaker 2>officers have to decide or not if they want to

1:22:52.680 --> 1:22:55.120
<v Speaker 2>put it in ViCAP, and then that alls us to

1:22:55.160 --> 1:22:58.200
<v Speaker 2>be invented and then used and that's what eventually helps

1:22:58.240 --> 1:22:58.639
<v Speaker 2>the case.

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<v Speaker 4>But like, yeah, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Or not forced to do it, Oh, we're gonna yeah.

1:23:04.040 --> 1:23:06.519
<v Speaker 2>And there was tons of women throughout this, all these

1:23:06.560 --> 1:23:09.799
<v Speaker 2>crimes that was like, hey, it's them, and the cops

1:23:09.800 --> 1:23:10.400
<v Speaker 2>been like, get the.

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<v Speaker 4>Fuck out of here, like it's crazy.

1:23:12.920 --> 1:23:16.240
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, full acquittals, even with eyewitness testimony, there was

1:23:16.280 --> 1:23:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Hair's evidence, they just kept letting him go. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's truly wild. I don't know, I don't understand it.

1:23:22.360 --> 1:23:24.960
<v Speaker 2>And with racism throughout all this, I don't, I don't know,

1:23:25.400 --> 1:23:28.920
<v Speaker 2>but I think it's how little we value women, sex

1:23:28.960 --> 1:23:33.439
<v Speaker 2>workers and people that do drugs, Like I don't know

1:23:33.880 --> 1:23:37.920
<v Speaker 2>how else. Yeah, So even when convicted, he served so

1:23:38.000 --> 1:23:40.400
<v Speaker 2>little little time. He pled guilty to two counts of

1:23:40.439 --> 1:23:43.040
<v Speaker 2>assault with great bodily injury and one false imprisonment and

1:23:43.120 --> 1:23:45.040
<v Speaker 2>got four years, only served one and a half, got

1:23:45.080 --> 1:23:48.559
<v Speaker 2>paroled two and then he had two crimes tied together.

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<v Speaker 2>October nineteen eighty four he beat and strangled Tanya Jackson,

1:23:52.680 --> 1:23:54.880
<v Speaker 2>charged with rape and assault with great bodily injury, and

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<v Speaker 2>September nineteen eighty four an attack on Lorie Barrows, who

1:23:57.840 --> 1:24:00.840
<v Speaker 2>played dead to survive on the side of the road.

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<v Speaker 2>So he finally got caught because in twenty twelve he

1:24:04.200 --> 1:24:07.640
<v Speaker 2>was arrested in a Kentucky homeless shelter and extradited to

1:24:07.680 --> 1:24:11.879
<v Speaker 2>California on a narcotics charge. When they got him, LAPD

1:24:12.040 --> 1:24:14.599
<v Speaker 2>matched his DNA to three unsolved murders from the late

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighties, and all three women were killed the same way, beaten, strangled,

1:24:18.760 --> 1:24:22.320
<v Speaker 2>bodies dumped in an alley, dumpster, or garage. He strangled

1:24:22.360 --> 1:24:24.599
<v Speaker 2>all of his victims, though investigators say it was more

1:24:24.600 --> 1:24:28.439
<v Speaker 2>suffocation than strangulation. Sorry to our listeners, I didn't research

1:24:28.479 --> 1:24:28.960
<v Speaker 2>the difference.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not on the moon, so suffocation is more like

1:24:31.880 --> 1:24:35.000
<v Speaker 1>a pillow over your face or something suffocating you, whereas

1:24:35.040 --> 1:24:37.599
<v Speaker 1>strangulation is like hand around your neck or something.

1:24:37.640 --> 1:24:40.479
<v Speaker 2>I want the listeners to Kara did act it out.

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<v Speaker 2>She did cover her face and strangle herself.

1:24:43.280 --> 1:24:43.960
<v Speaker 4>I did put a.

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<v Speaker 2>Hand pillow over my own mind it thank you for

1:24:46.400 --> 1:24:50.400
<v Speaker 2>the visual cues, and then two of them he drowned.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh god.

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<v Speaker 2>He never shot or stabbed, he says, which is like

1:24:55.040 --> 1:24:57.880
<v Speaker 2>a brag or maybe it's his proof of humanity or whatever.

1:24:58.040 --> 1:24:59.880
<v Speaker 2>But he's like very adamant, like I never shot her.

1:25:00.680 --> 1:25:02.439
<v Speaker 2>But it's also a lie because he confessed to shooting

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<v Speaker 2>a nineteen year old woman, Evelyn Weston, in the head

1:25:04.560 --> 1:25:06.960
<v Speaker 2>in September nineteen seventy eight, So I don't, Oh.

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<v Speaker 4>God, you care not even your brags aren't even truthful.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god.

1:25:10.600 --> 1:25:12.800
<v Speaker 2>And then his boxing passed, like I said, came into

1:25:12.800 --> 1:25:14.840
<v Speaker 2>play because he would knock out his victims and then

1:25:14.840 --> 1:25:17.760
<v Speaker 2>strangle them, and so there was no clear signs of homicide.

1:25:17.880 --> 1:25:19.479
<v Speaker 2>But it's like the Long Island Killer where it's like,

1:25:19.520 --> 1:25:21.280
<v Speaker 2>what do you mean she's naked in a swamp, Like

1:25:21.560 --> 1:25:23.040
<v Speaker 2>what do you mean she's on the side of a

1:25:23.080 --> 1:25:24.080
<v Speaker 2>dirt road and.

1:25:24.200 --> 1:25:26.400
<v Speaker 4>Like yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.

1:25:27.280 --> 1:25:32.000
<v Speaker 2>One murder Denise Brothers in Odessa, Texas, he like, you know,

1:25:32.000 --> 1:25:34.640
<v Speaker 2>they're sex workers. He like dragged her into the backseat

1:25:34.680 --> 1:25:37.680
<v Speaker 2>of his car, like through her like a doll. He

1:25:37.800 --> 1:25:40.800
<v Speaker 2>was a professional fighter, huge strangled her with one hand

1:25:40.800 --> 1:25:44.760
<v Speaker 2>and masturbated with the other, And so killing was synonymous

1:25:44.760 --> 1:25:47.400
<v Speaker 2>with sex for him, and he liked to make the

1:25:47.560 --> 1:25:50.920
<v Speaker 2>encounters as long and slow as possible. He wanted them

1:25:50.920 --> 1:25:54.680
<v Speaker 2>to regain consciousness and then do it again. And he

1:25:55.320 --> 1:25:58.599
<v Speaker 2>said that, like to the reporter from that cut interview,

1:25:58.640 --> 1:26:01.599
<v Speaker 2>I own you your mind for ever. He said that

1:26:01.640 --> 1:26:04.960
<v Speaker 2>to Denise, and then she cried and he kissed the

1:26:05.040 --> 1:26:08.519
<v Speaker 2>tears from her face. And a lot of these women's

1:26:08.520 --> 1:26:12.479
<v Speaker 2>deaths were misclassified as drug overdoses or accidents or natural deaths.

1:26:13.000 --> 1:26:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Some bodies were never found or like found decades after

1:26:15.840 --> 1:26:19.839
<v Speaker 2>their death as well, he told and like identified and stuff.

1:26:19.920 --> 1:26:21.639
<v Speaker 2>He told Lauren that his first one was a big

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<v Speaker 2>old blonde Turn of the New Year, nineteen sixty nine

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<v Speaker 2>to seventy, Miami, Coconut Grove. She was a hoe and

1:26:27.920 --> 1:26:31.880
<v Speaker 2>then corrected himself prostitute. She was sitting at a restaurant booth,

1:26:31.960 --> 1:26:34.560
<v Speaker 2>red leather, real nice. She crossed them big legs and

1:26:34.600 --> 1:26:36.640
<v Speaker 2>her fish at stockings and touched her neck. It was

1:26:36.680 --> 1:26:38.760
<v Speaker 2>my sign from God. So this is sick, but I'm

1:26:38.840 --> 1:26:40.880
<v Speaker 2>just like telling you, Like she met him in the

1:26:40.920 --> 1:26:45.080
<v Speaker 2>two thousands, This was in ninth January first, nineteen seventy

1:26:45.160 --> 1:26:46.520
<v Speaker 2>like such details.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and he remembers like everything about it.

1:26:49.360 --> 1:26:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he remembered eighty eight and he just started going, Wow,

1:26:53.760 --> 1:26:55.080
<v Speaker 2>astonishing details.

1:26:55.120 --> 1:26:56.920
<v Speaker 4>And it took like over months and months.

1:26:56.960 --> 1:26:58.720
<v Speaker 2>She would go and he thought he would never get

1:26:58.760 --> 1:27:00.479
<v Speaker 2>caught due to the fact that he moved around a

1:27:00.479 --> 1:27:02.479
<v Speaker 2>lot and he knew what he was doing. He prayed

1:27:02.520 --> 1:27:06.679
<v Speaker 2>on vulnerable women and yeah, I did to drug sex trade.

1:27:06.720 --> 1:27:09.639
<v Speaker 2>So the FBI is still looking for information to try

1:27:09.680 --> 1:27:13.040
<v Speaker 2>to even find all the victims and families, and they've

1:27:13.080 --> 1:27:16.280
<v Speaker 2>been matching his stories and using ViCAP to find bodies.

1:27:17.360 --> 1:27:20.200
<v Speaker 2>He was convicted and sentenced to three consecutive life sentences,

1:27:20.280 --> 1:27:22.800
<v Speaker 2>but asserts he's innocent. So that's annoying. He tried to

1:27:22.840 --> 1:27:27.040
<v Speaker 2>appeal he lost. The official FBI report thinks VICAPS so

1:27:27.240 --> 1:27:32.320
<v Speaker 2>much that Kevin Fitzsimmons is the VISCAPS Supervisory Crime Analysis

1:27:32.520 --> 1:27:35.080
<v Speaker 2>and he said to ABC News, the biggest lesson in

1:27:35.120 --> 1:27:37.800
<v Speaker 2>this case is the power of information sharing. A Jane

1:27:37.800 --> 1:27:39.519
<v Speaker 2>Doe who turned up dead in an alley in New

1:27:39.600 --> 1:27:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Orleans may look like an isolated event, but when entered

1:27:42.280 --> 1:27:45.200
<v Speaker 2>into the ViCAP database and examined with other mysterious deaths

1:27:45.320 --> 1:27:49.360
<v Speaker 2>or missing persons, patterns emerge. That is the value of ViCAP.

1:27:49.640 --> 1:27:51.000
<v Speaker 2>And I guess we know that. I don't know why

1:27:51.000 --> 1:27:53.519
<v Speaker 2>I had to do a direct quote. Okay, so entering,

1:27:54.400 --> 1:27:57.679
<v Speaker 2>But like I said, it's voluntary and a pattern can't

1:27:57.680 --> 1:28:00.400
<v Speaker 2>be found if police don't take it upon themselves commit

1:28:00.439 --> 1:28:01.280
<v Speaker 2>the case to ICAP.

1:28:01.360 --> 1:28:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Why is it not just you're already filling out all

1:28:03.880 --> 1:28:04.559
<v Speaker 1>this other paperwork.

1:28:04.880 --> 1:28:06.000
<v Speaker 4>She just entered into ICAP.

1:28:06.400 --> 1:28:08.840
<v Speaker 2>It's like not doing that is led by ego, right,

1:28:09.240 --> 1:28:12.120
<v Speaker 2>Like you're not doing it because you either don't care,

1:28:12.200 --> 1:28:13.880
<v Speaker 2>but it's also like I want to solve the case,

1:28:14.000 --> 1:28:16.920
<v Speaker 2>or like there is some like there's a there's a

1:28:17.040 --> 1:28:20.639
<v Speaker 2>reason not sharing information, or the FBI police not working together.

1:28:20.680 --> 1:28:23.720
<v Speaker 2>Like all of that is very like agro to me

1:28:23.960 --> 1:28:27.160
<v Speaker 2>and so misogyny. So Mitzi Roberts was a detective with

1:28:27.200 --> 1:28:30.599
<v Speaker 2>the LAPD homicide and she talked to Jillian Lauren and

1:28:30.720 --> 1:28:33.000
<v Speaker 2>she was someone that was there and helped catch this guy.

1:28:33.120 --> 1:28:35.719
<v Speaker 2>She suspected him of many more killings across the country,

1:28:36.200 --> 1:28:38.720
<v Speaker 2>and she figured that other police departments would want to

1:28:38.840 --> 1:28:42.600
<v Speaker 2>start connecting it to her own, like to their unsolved murders.

1:28:42.600 --> 1:28:43.320
<v Speaker 4>Never happened.

1:28:43.920 --> 1:28:46.680
<v Speaker 2>She was so frustrated, so she like, you know, he

1:28:46.800 --> 1:28:49.240
<v Speaker 2>prayed on what she called the less dead and people

1:28:49.240 --> 1:28:51.639
<v Speaker 2>who live in the margins of society, and so it's

1:28:51.680 --> 1:28:54.240
<v Speaker 2>like not listening to her so forever she was like, you, guys,

1:28:54.280 --> 1:28:55.639
<v Speaker 2>we have to investigate we have.

1:28:55.640 --> 1:28:57.599
<v Speaker 4>It, and no one was interested in working with her.

1:28:58.000 --> 1:29:00.439
<v Speaker 2>And it's like I feel sometimes when you talk about

1:29:01.080 --> 1:29:04.560
<v Speaker 2>like gender stuff, men think they've given so much or

1:29:04.640 --> 1:29:06.439
<v Speaker 2>done so much, and it's like, well, how much better

1:29:06.479 --> 1:29:08.120
<v Speaker 2>and faster would it have been if you just listened

1:29:08.160 --> 1:29:11.599
<v Speaker 2>to women, Like I just heard, yeah story, this woman

1:29:11.640 --> 1:29:14.000
<v Speaker 2>invented something the Navy like everyone laughed at her and

1:29:14.000 --> 1:29:15.840
<v Speaker 2>now it's like the basis of Wi FI and all

1:29:15.840 --> 1:29:17.640
<v Speaker 2>the men and the Navy stole her idea and she

1:29:18.000 --> 1:29:21.800
<v Speaker 2>died penniless and you know Instagram feedti that. Yeah, and

1:29:21.840 --> 1:29:25.320
<v Speaker 2>it's just like why don't you ever work with women?

1:29:26.560 --> 1:29:29.720
<v Speaker 1>And like this show over and over again, like we

1:29:29.920 --> 1:29:32.240
<v Speaker 1>literally are about to do another episode where lev is

1:29:32.240 --> 1:29:35.200
<v Speaker 1>talking to like another bureau or like another division of

1:29:35.200 --> 1:29:37.639
<v Speaker 1>the NYPD, being like we're all wearing the same shield,

1:29:37.640 --> 1:29:40.160
<v Speaker 1>like let's work together. And these guys are time and

1:29:40.160 --> 1:29:42.439
<v Speaker 1>time again even and stable or two will be like,

1:29:42.479 --> 1:29:44.559
<v Speaker 1>it's my case, I get the glory, Like they want

1:29:44.600 --> 1:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>the glory of the salt instead of like the justice

1:29:47.960 --> 1:29:50.960
<v Speaker 1>for the victim, which is what I would say majority

1:29:51.240 --> 1:29:54.160
<v Speaker 1>of probably female law enforcement are more looking for. But

1:29:54.760 --> 1:29:56.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there's a lot of also asshole ladies that

1:29:56.880 --> 1:29:59.839
<v Speaker 1>work in law enforcement. But at least in our world

1:30:00.120 --> 1:30:02.800
<v Speaker 1>of Benson, she wants the justice for the victim, not.

1:30:04.240 --> 1:30:06.599
<v Speaker 4>A medal and true leaders. There's something else.

1:30:06.680 --> 1:30:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Remember when someone took the credit and she's like, do

1:30:09.400 --> 1:30:09.800
<v Speaker 2>you want it?

1:30:09.840 --> 1:30:11.720
<v Speaker 4>And there was like, that's not about that.

1:30:12.240 --> 1:30:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it was in the episode

1:30:15.200 --> 1:30:16.840
<v Speaker 1>that's something, Yes, that's yeah.

1:30:18.160 --> 1:30:21.000
<v Speaker 2>So Sergeant Darren Versiga is quoted in the cut it

1:30:21.040 --> 1:30:24.000
<v Speaker 2>wasn't really possible to commit a crime against the black prostitute.

1:30:24.000 --> 1:30:27.559
<v Speaker 4>It just wasn't a crime. Oh my, So Roberts began

1:30:27.600 --> 1:30:28.280
<v Speaker 4>to put it together.

1:30:28.360 --> 1:30:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Eighteen years after the Odessa icap information about Denise Brothers.

1:30:33.560 --> 1:30:36.759
<v Speaker 2>Roberts found an outstanding two thousand and seven narcotics warrant

1:30:36.800 --> 1:30:39.000
<v Speaker 2>and the DA said they would extradite him if she

1:30:39.200 --> 1:30:40.080
<v Speaker 2>found him.

1:30:40.439 --> 1:30:41.559
<v Speaker 4>So Roberts got a lead.

1:30:42.000 --> 1:30:44.679
<v Speaker 2>It was a prepaid Walmart cart in which little social

1:30:44.720 --> 1:30:47.960
<v Speaker 2>security payments were being deposited and it was last used

1:30:47.960 --> 1:30:51.519
<v Speaker 2>in Kentucky. US Marshall's Fugitive Task Force jumped in, they

1:30:51.520 --> 1:30:53.920
<v Speaker 2>found his ass arrested him on a minor drug charge

1:30:54.080 --> 1:30:57.360
<v Speaker 2>various view and then he was in California, cocky as fuck,

1:30:57.439 --> 1:30:59.679
<v Speaker 2>refusing to talk. He's like, I'll be free again, because

1:30:59.680 --> 1:31:02.080
<v Speaker 2>why not. He's been doing this for decades. But they

1:31:02.080 --> 1:31:04.720
<v Speaker 2>could hold him since there was a DNA hit on

1:31:04.800 --> 1:31:07.200
<v Speaker 2>the bra and fingernail kit of a forty one year

1:31:07.240 --> 1:31:10.520
<v Speaker 2>old Carol Alford who has found strangled in her residential

1:31:10.600 --> 1:31:13.960
<v Speaker 2>South Central Alleyway in July nineteen eighty seven, and that

1:31:14.080 --> 1:31:17.080
<v Speaker 2>was the tipping point. So the morning of April twelve,

1:31:17.200 --> 1:31:20.200
<v Speaker 2>she had a case to case DNA match connected to

1:31:20.240 --> 1:31:23.559
<v Speaker 2>the murders of Audrey Nelson from August nineteen eighty nine

1:31:23.680 --> 1:31:27.760
<v Speaker 2>and Guadalupe Abadaca a month later. And it was Samuel Little,

1:31:27.800 --> 1:31:30.360
<v Speaker 2>whose DNA had been taken in the mid nineteen eighties

1:31:30.400 --> 1:31:32.760
<v Speaker 2>when he pled guilty to a Sultan San Diego. And

1:31:32.760 --> 1:31:34.840
<v Speaker 2>then the thing that she realized during her time with

1:31:34.920 --> 1:31:37.439
<v Speaker 2>this case was that was that he hadn't been hiding.

1:31:37.520 --> 1:31:41.240
<v Speaker 2>He'd been committing crime after crime in plane sight he

1:31:41.640 --> 1:31:45.880
<v Speaker 2>was not even hiding. He's like we like so January

1:31:45.920 --> 1:31:49.120
<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen, eighty A. Beth Silverman filed three charges of

1:31:49.200 --> 1:31:52.880
<v Speaker 2>murder against him. September fourth, twenty fourteen, after weeks of

1:31:52.960 --> 1:32:00.080
<v Speaker 2>testimony from criminologists, expert witnesses, pathologists, police officers, and living victims,

1:32:00.120 --> 1:32:03.599
<v Speaker 2>and like they called an inspiring closing argument by Silverman,

1:32:03.760 --> 1:32:05.880
<v Speaker 2>a jury convicted him of three counts of first degree

1:32:05.960 --> 1:32:09.599
<v Speaker 2>murder and three life sentences. So this is just like

1:32:09.640 --> 1:32:12.200
<v Speaker 2>something that I find interesting, but it has nothing to

1:32:12.280 --> 1:32:14.400
<v Speaker 2>do with the case. But when she went to go

1:32:14.479 --> 1:32:18.240
<v Speaker 2>visit him, the journalists, you could only bring plastic bags

1:32:18.240 --> 1:32:20.400
<v Speaker 2>full of quarters, like you can't bring anything else in there.

1:32:20.439 --> 1:32:22.720
<v Speaker 2>And then she would buy him funians and like honeybuns,

1:32:22.720 --> 1:32:26.080
<v Speaker 2>and that's how you get them to talk. So just

1:32:26.120 --> 1:32:28.719
<v Speaker 2>something I thought of. But the case of Denis Brothers,

1:32:28.760 --> 1:32:31.880
<v Speaker 2>he finally admitted to it and that's what got him

1:32:31.920 --> 1:32:34.800
<v Speaker 2>to Texas to finish the rest of his time there.

1:32:34.840 --> 1:32:38.320
<v Speaker 2>So they extradited him from California to Texas for this crime.

1:32:39.160 --> 1:32:43.680
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, the similarities between the authorities, the you know,

1:32:43.720 --> 1:32:45.600
<v Speaker 2>the good guys and then the bad guy killers is

1:32:45.640 --> 1:32:48.000
<v Speaker 2>both the victor like they all think the victims are

1:32:48.000 --> 1:32:50.960
<v Speaker 2>disposable and barely people. And that's what sucks because it's

1:32:51.000 --> 1:32:54.080
<v Speaker 2>like it's it's just yeah, the killers and the people

1:32:54.080 --> 1:32:55.839
<v Speaker 2>solving the crimes do not find.

1:32:55.680 --> 1:32:57.719
<v Speaker 4>These people worthy, so it sucks.

1:32:59.720 --> 1:33:03.679
<v Speaker 2>But he saw himself as an angel of mercy, divinely

1:33:03.720 --> 1:33:07.280
<v Speaker 2>commissioned to euthanize. But then he said he believed he

1:33:07.400 --> 1:33:10.320
<v Speaker 2>was the devil, and uh, you are the devil, and

1:33:10.880 --> 1:33:14.400
<v Speaker 2>no one ever checked you, he said, I don't know,

1:33:14.439 --> 1:33:16.400
<v Speaker 2>there's a quote he liked killing them. We don't have

1:33:16.439 --> 1:33:17.720
<v Speaker 2>to talk about it, but if you want to look

1:33:17.800 --> 1:33:21.559
<v Speaker 2>up more information on the victims, the FBI has video

1:33:21.600 --> 1:33:26.719
<v Speaker 2>confessions next to the women's faces and drawings, and there's

1:33:27.040 --> 1:33:28.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of them. That's why I wanted a name

1:33:29.000 --> 1:33:32.440
<v Speaker 2>as many as I could. Within Yeah, reading, Okay.

1:33:32.280 --> 1:33:37.360
<v Speaker 4>Did this guy little like did he like?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it goes to show you that they don't think

1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:41.840
<v Speaker 1>these people are because like Texas could have killed him,

1:33:41.840 --> 1:33:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Like why did anybody no death penalty for this guy?

1:33:45.600 --> 1:33:51.120
<v Speaker 4>Damn? Like it's you know, people just loves to kill.

1:33:51.200 --> 1:33:53.400
<v Speaker 1>They kill people that were just at a murder like

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, you know, like that they just were

1:33:55.560 --> 1:33:58.120
<v Speaker 1>like drove the getaway car or whatever. I'm just like,

1:33:58.200 --> 1:34:00.719
<v Speaker 1>they're probably just like, oh, well he was just killing

1:34:00.720 --> 1:34:04.479
<v Speaker 1>sex workers or whatever. Fucking fucked. But I can't believe

1:34:04.520 --> 1:34:07.160
<v Speaker 1>that's so prolific. And I've never heard that name before.

1:34:08.400 --> 1:34:11.799
<v Speaker 2>All Right, so the next case, it's Russian, it's Moscow,

1:34:11.840 --> 1:34:13.360
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know how would even say his name

1:34:14.080 --> 1:34:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Moscow and Natally and.

1:34:16.320 --> 1:34:19.760
<v Speaker 4>I actually, I actually do somebody with this name Anatoly. Yeah, Anatally,

1:34:19.880 --> 1:34:22.280
<v Speaker 4>it just doesn't roll off the tongue. I would say.

1:34:23.880 --> 1:34:27.240
<v Speaker 2>The Moskvin case. So this dude, he dug up twenty

1:34:27.320 --> 1:34:32.360
<v Speaker 2>nine female bodies, children, so I don't know what children,

1:34:32.600 --> 1:34:35.200
<v Speaker 2>young girls, brought them to his apartment, where he dressed

1:34:35.240 --> 1:34:36.960
<v Speaker 2>them in women's clothes and put them on display.

1:34:37.560 --> 1:34:38.439
<v Speaker 4>He lived with his.

1:34:38.439 --> 1:34:43.200
<v Speaker 2>Parents, oh my god, in the city of Nijnievod. But like,

1:34:43.720 --> 1:34:45.840
<v Speaker 2>none of this is easy to say, but like, I mean,

1:34:45.880 --> 1:34:46.800
<v Speaker 2>that sounded pretty good.

1:34:47.560 --> 1:34:49.120
<v Speaker 4>The parents, no question.

1:34:49.200 --> 1:34:51.720
<v Speaker 2>They were like like, he brought dead bodies home and

1:34:51.760 --> 1:34:53.520
<v Speaker 2>decorated them and there was no questions.

1:34:53.520 --> 1:34:56.759
<v Speaker 4>Elvira, yeah that is his mother's name, said that.

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<v Speaker 2>She only saw them as dolls and didn't realize there

1:35:02.160 --> 1:35:05.760
<v Speaker 2>were human remains inside. But also when your grown son

1:35:05.800 --> 1:35:07.960
<v Speaker 2>lives with you and is making like dolls? Is that

1:35:08.280 --> 1:35:09.240
<v Speaker 2>like giant ones?

1:35:09.320 --> 1:35:11.080
<v Speaker 4>I don't know. Is that not a red flag not

1:35:11.120 --> 1:35:12.320
<v Speaker 4>to be like heteronormative?

1:35:12.520 --> 1:35:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

1:35:14.120 --> 1:35:16.439
<v Speaker 2>But it's also like, what about the smell? Does the

1:35:16.520 --> 1:35:18.800
<v Speaker 2>mummy take away the smell? We have been talking about this,

1:35:19.080 --> 1:35:23.640
<v Speaker 2>but this dude Moskvin. He was a historian, He specialized

1:35:23.680 --> 1:35:26.200
<v Speaker 2>in the history of his town. A linguistic expert, he

1:35:26.200 --> 1:35:31.639
<v Speaker 2>spoke thirteen languages. Former military intelligence translator. He was really

1:35:31.680 --> 1:35:35.639
<v Speaker 2>well known in academic circles, and he studied Celtic culture,

1:35:35.760 --> 1:35:39.839
<v Speaker 2>which is like funny to me. And he had books

1:35:39.840 --> 1:35:42.960
<v Speaker 2>and academic works, and he was considered the leading expert

1:35:43.000 --> 1:35:44.640
<v Speaker 2>in cemeteries in the city.

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<v Speaker 4>Ding Ding Ding. So he claimed that from two okay,

1:35:47.400 --> 1:35:48.040
<v Speaker 4>he's like a psycho.

1:35:48.080 --> 1:35:49.519
<v Speaker 2>So from two thousand and five to two thousand and

1:35:49.520 --> 1:35:54.200
<v Speaker 2>seven he expected seven hundred and fifty two cemeteries, oftentimes

1:35:54.280 --> 1:35:57.760
<v Speaker 2>traveling twenty miles a day on foot, drinking from puddles,

1:35:58.200 --> 1:36:03.839
<v Speaker 2>and spending nights in haystack or farms. And CBS News

1:36:03.880 --> 1:36:05.919
<v Speaker 2>said that he even once slept in a coffin.

1:36:07.240 --> 1:36:10.439
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, drinking from a puddle. Brain is broken.

1:36:11.040 --> 1:36:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he loved cemeteries and death. Even since childhood.

1:36:14.600 --> 1:36:17.880
<v Speaker 2>He loved running in graveyards. He would study gravestones on

1:36:18.000 --> 1:36:20.600
<v Speaker 2>cover life stories of the names he found. And it

1:36:20.680 --> 1:36:23.120
<v Speaker 2>started at twelve because he was at a funeral procession

1:36:23.160 --> 1:36:25.160
<v Speaker 2>and someone made him kiss the face of an eleven

1:36:25.240 --> 1:36:26.080
<v Speaker 2>year old dead girl.

1:36:26.560 --> 1:36:27.160
<v Speaker 4>Oh god.

1:36:27.720 --> 1:36:30.640
<v Speaker 2>The bodies were mummified faces wrapped in cloth, wearing the

1:36:30.640 --> 1:36:34.240
<v Speaker 2>bright dresses, had scar stockings, knee length boots, lipstick, makeup.

1:36:35.000 --> 1:36:37.240
<v Speaker 2>There was a mix of bodies and skeletons. One was

1:36:37.320 --> 1:36:40.960
<v Speaker 2>dressed like a Teddy bear some Yeah, it's true.

1:36:41.040 --> 1:36:43.160
<v Speaker 1>So I could see how if you can't see the

1:36:43.200 --> 1:36:45.960
<v Speaker 1>flesh of them that he was like telling his mom, Oh,

1:36:46.040 --> 1:36:48.320
<v Speaker 1>these are artifacts, Like I'm working on these for work,

1:36:48.520 --> 1:36:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know. I'm kind of trying to give

1:36:49.960 --> 1:36:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Elvira a little bit of a benefit of the doubt

1:36:51.840 --> 1:36:54.680
<v Speaker 1>here that she didn't know these were dug up bodies, like,

1:36:54.680 --> 1:36:57.400
<v Speaker 1>and she was like what, Like, but her son works

1:36:57.400 --> 1:37:00.080
<v Speaker 1>in cemetery work and in archiving, and in all that, we.

1:37:00.160 --> 1:37:03.080
<v Speaker 4>Had music boxes wedged in their chests.

1:37:03.439 --> 1:37:08.759
<v Speaker 1>Ahafending him, I'm defending Elvira.

1:37:09.240 --> 1:37:11.200
<v Speaker 4>He had a ton of plastic. Oh you'll hate her.

1:37:11.240 --> 1:37:12.120
<v Speaker 4>By the end he had a.

1:37:12.040 --> 1:37:16.240
<v Speaker 2>Ton of plastic dolls that had human remains inside of them.

1:37:16.840 --> 1:37:19.639
<v Speaker 2>Jesus and if that's all not sick enough, he marked

1:37:19.640 --> 1:37:21.720
<v Speaker 2>the birthday of each of his dead victims in his

1:37:21.800 --> 1:37:25.040
<v Speaker 2>bedroom and this is the Daily Mail. It called it

1:37:25.080 --> 1:37:28.640
<v Speaker 2>a chilling ritual, but it is the Daily Mail. They

1:37:28.680 --> 1:37:32.880
<v Speaker 2>were seated on shelves, sofas stacked, but there was also books,

1:37:32.920 --> 1:37:37.080
<v Speaker 2>papers and according to the BBC, it said remains belonged

1:37:37.120 --> 1:37:39.200
<v Speaker 2>mainly to girls or young women, and they had been

1:37:39.240 --> 1:37:42.360
<v Speaker 2>dressed up in clothes taken from corpses.

1:37:43.520 --> 1:37:45.120
<v Speaker 4>She's just grave robbing. All around.

1:37:46.479 --> 1:37:50.280
<v Speaker 2>They found photographs, nameplates taken from the headstones, and instructions

1:37:50.280 --> 1:37:52.800
<v Speaker 2>for making dolls, maps for the cemeteries.

1:37:52.880 --> 1:37:54.400
<v Speaker 4>So like he was caught.

1:37:55.360 --> 1:37:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Shoes found in the flat matched footprints found in the cemeteries.

1:37:59.560 --> 1:38:01.519
<v Speaker 4>BBC I said flat. It was the BBC.

1:38:01.720 --> 1:38:05.320
<v Speaker 2>Some Russian sources reported that Muslim graves were singled out.

1:38:05.160 --> 1:38:05.960
<v Speaker 4>In the robberies.

1:38:06.720 --> 1:38:08.640
<v Speaker 2>There was conflict in the story of how he was

1:38:08.680 --> 1:38:11.280
<v Speaker 2>discovered and arrested, so one paper claimed he was detained

1:38:11.280 --> 1:38:14.760
<v Speaker 2>at a cemetery carrying a bag of bones. Another said

1:38:14.760 --> 1:38:17.320
<v Speaker 2>that investigators found the bodies when they visited him in

1:38:17.360 --> 1:38:20.240
<v Speaker 2>his home to ask about the desecration of graves and

1:38:20.240 --> 1:38:23.080
<v Speaker 2>that it was a long running investigation. So they went

1:38:23.120 --> 1:38:25.920
<v Speaker 2>to the cemetery expert, you know. But they all grew

1:38:25.920 --> 1:38:31.280
<v Speaker 2>suspicious of him during the meeting, so they went in

1:38:31.400 --> 1:38:31.760
<v Speaker 2>for help.

1:38:31.880 --> 1:38:33.640
<v Speaker 4>But it was in Alexi.

1:38:33.720 --> 1:38:36.080
<v Speaker 2>Yesen is the editor of the local paper, and he

1:38:36.120 --> 1:38:39.519
<v Speaker 2>told ap and classic man fashion, I saw no signs

1:38:39.600 --> 1:38:42.599
<v Speaker 2>of that while working with him. Honey, what about when

1:38:42.640 --> 1:38:45.640
<v Speaker 2>he scooped over a puddle, like scooping a puddle in

1:38:45.680 --> 1:38:46.040
<v Speaker 2>his mouth?

1:38:46.040 --> 1:38:50.599
<v Speaker 4>How about that? Oh my god?

1:38:51.800 --> 1:38:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Some of those remains he was living with for up

1:38:53.360 --> 1:38:56.720
<v Speaker 2>to ten years. He was arrested in March twenty twelve.

1:38:56.960 --> 1:39:00.240
<v Speaker 2>One report said detained twenty eleven. So around there he

1:39:00.280 --> 1:39:02.679
<v Speaker 2>confessed to forty four counts of abusing graves of girls

1:39:02.760 --> 1:39:05.320
<v Speaker 2>ages three to twelve. That's why I don't understand why

1:39:05.360 --> 1:39:07.400
<v Speaker 2>they keep saying young women and female like it's a

1:39:07.479 --> 1:39:10.880
<v Speaker 2>child Like I don't get Yeah, so Daily Mail.

1:39:10.840 --> 1:39:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh so why it's like if he's just a freak

1:39:13.040 --> 1:39:15.160
<v Speaker 1>that's interested in like death and the human body, why

1:39:15.200 --> 1:39:16.560
<v Speaker 1>is it only girls?

1:39:17.120 --> 1:39:20.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? But oh god, so this is from Daily Mail

1:39:20.360 --> 1:39:23.120
<v Speaker 4>as well. It is what it is. So October is fifteenth,

1:39:23.200 --> 1:39:26.719
<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty five, they're.

1:39:26.560 --> 1:39:29.320
<v Speaker 1>Still covering him as of ten days ago, like as

1:39:29.360 --> 1:39:30.240
<v Speaker 1>of two weeks ago.

1:39:30.320 --> 1:39:31.000
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god.

1:39:31.720 --> 1:39:38.479
<v Speaker 2>So pro Kremlin shot media outlet reports that psychiatric doctors

1:39:38.520 --> 1:39:42.160
<v Speaker 2>are recommending that he is safe to return home, and

1:39:42.200 --> 1:39:47.080
<v Speaker 2>I wrote safe for who? So so I also found

1:39:47.080 --> 1:39:49.000
<v Speaker 2>a US Sun piece about it, which I think is

1:39:49.040 --> 1:39:53.000
<v Speaker 2>also trash in May twenty twenty five that they agreed

1:39:53.040 --> 1:39:53.880
<v Speaker 2>to keep him in.

1:39:54.040 --> 1:39:55.799
<v Speaker 4>So I'm wondering what happened.

1:39:56.200 --> 1:39:58.799
<v Speaker 2>But they're submitting documents to try to get the courts

1:39:58.800 --> 1:40:00.439
<v Speaker 2>to discharge.

1:40:00.960 --> 1:40:04.439
<v Speaker 1>But he's not in that long, like he's been in

1:40:04.560 --> 1:40:06.599
<v Speaker 1>for fourteen thirteen years.

1:40:06.960 --> 1:40:08.080
<v Speaker 4>He was doing this for ten.

1:40:08.760 --> 1:40:11.000
<v Speaker 1>You've got to serve like a little bit more time

1:40:11.160 --> 1:40:12.640
<v Speaker 1>before it's like, I'm actually all better now.

1:40:12.680 --> 1:40:14.000
<v Speaker 4>I'd actually don't want to dig up body.

1:40:14.040 --> 1:40:15.880
<v Speaker 2>But we've written the parole boards before, but it's like,

1:40:15.920 --> 1:40:19.280
<v Speaker 2>could we write to Russia? Like I don't know what

1:40:19.439 --> 1:40:22.960
<v Speaker 2>to do, but these docs are like, yeah, they we

1:40:23.000 --> 1:40:25.120
<v Speaker 2>think he can live with friends and family and not

1:40:25.280 --> 1:40:27.880
<v Speaker 2>in the care but I think he's probably a creep

1:40:27.880 --> 1:40:29.719
<v Speaker 2>and just don't want to be around him. I honestly

1:40:29.760 --> 1:40:32.439
<v Speaker 2>think that he's so disturbed. They're like, please get him

1:40:32.479 --> 1:40:37.160
<v Speaker 2>away from us. But the secure hospital and Nijenine Novogoroad

1:40:37.320 --> 1:40:40.200
<v Speaker 2>refused to comment. But yeah, so he was sent to

1:40:40.240 --> 1:40:42.679
<v Speaker 2>the psychiatric clinic, not a prison, because he was ruled

1:40:42.680 --> 1:40:46.360
<v Speaker 2>to have schizophrenia and could not stand trial. That's according

1:40:46.400 --> 1:40:48.840
<v Speaker 2>to the Sun. But looking at the crime scene photo,

1:40:48.880 --> 1:40:50.519
<v Speaker 2>oh my god. The Daily Mail just put the crime

1:40:50.560 --> 1:40:53.639
<v Speaker 2>scene photos in it and I think it will permanently

1:40:53.680 --> 1:40:56.639
<v Speaker 2>alter the way I live. But yeah, just saw the dolls,

1:40:56.760 --> 1:41:00.719
<v Speaker 2>just saw them all, saw o their faces. You can't

1:41:00.720 --> 1:41:02.400
<v Speaker 2>just do that, Like, shouldn't it be blurred and it

1:41:02.520 --> 1:41:06.120
<v Speaker 2>say like, hey, yeah, sensitive image? Yeah, because I don't

1:41:06.120 --> 1:41:07.240
<v Speaker 2>think I would have clicked on it.

1:41:07.760 --> 1:41:08.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1:41:09.200 --> 1:41:11.360
<v Speaker 2>So the parents of the dead children really don't want

1:41:11.439 --> 1:41:14.280
<v Speaker 2>him out. They want him incarcerated for life, which I

1:41:14.360 --> 1:41:17.000
<v Speaker 2>agree with. I think it's unfair to subject the public

1:41:17.080 --> 1:41:20.479
<v Speaker 2>to having to interact with this man. I understand he

1:41:20.520 --> 1:41:23.160
<v Speaker 2>did not do the murdering, but we cannot trust him

1:41:23.160 --> 1:41:26.519
<v Speaker 2>out in the world. He's refused to apologize to the

1:41:26.520 --> 1:41:29.360
<v Speaker 2>families of his victims, so no, he is not sorry.

1:41:29.400 --> 1:41:32.639
<v Speaker 2>You cannot let him out. There's courts that are stopping him.

1:41:32.640 --> 1:41:35.280
<v Speaker 2>But a doctor keeps wanting to release him, and I

1:41:35.320 --> 1:41:37.760
<v Speaker 2>don't know why. They're all so fucking hard to, you know,

1:41:38.000 --> 1:41:41.240
<v Speaker 2>have a herd gdding amount. He told the parents, ready,

1:41:41.680 --> 1:41:44.280
<v Speaker 2>you abandoned your girls in the cold, and I brought

1:41:44.360 --> 1:41:49.800
<v Speaker 2>them home and warmed them up. And then he also says, besides,

1:41:49.840 --> 1:41:52.000
<v Speaker 2>they buried their daughters and this is where I believe

1:41:52.040 --> 1:41:53.439
<v Speaker 2>their rights over them finished.

1:41:53.840 --> 1:41:58.280
<v Speaker 4>So no, I would not apologize. And then his so

1:41:58.400 --> 1:42:02.599
<v Speaker 4>Alvirah said, the court is biased against my son.

1:42:03.160 --> 1:42:06.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we are. Can we not be biased against anybody?

1:42:07.280 --> 1:42:09.400
<v Speaker 2>We don't like him. We don't like him.

1:42:09.400 --> 1:42:11.840
<v Speaker 1>The court is acting like my son did something really

1:42:11.880 --> 1:42:14.360
<v Speaker 1>creepy and illegal, and it's not fair. I'm sorry. I

1:42:14.360 --> 1:42:16.000
<v Speaker 1>don't know why I was standing up for a vibr before.

1:42:16.040 --> 1:42:17.920
<v Speaker 1>I was just kind of trying to feel like, how

1:42:17.960 --> 1:42:20.160
<v Speaker 1>could anybody not think that is so deeply fucked up,

1:42:20.200 --> 1:42:23.320
<v Speaker 1>especially when your son is like a professor and an

1:42:23.320 --> 1:42:23.960
<v Speaker 1>author and.

1:42:23.960 --> 1:42:24.840
<v Speaker 4>All this stuff.

1:42:25.560 --> 1:42:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, he also still believes that either black magic or

1:42:28.880 --> 1:42:30.960
<v Speaker 2>science will be able to bring the girls back to

1:42:31.040 --> 1:42:33.680
<v Speaker 2>life again, and he wants to be an expert in

1:42:33.720 --> 1:42:34.519
<v Speaker 2>making mummies.

1:42:34.960 --> 1:42:35.759
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so exactly.

1:42:35.800 --> 1:42:37.519
<v Speaker 1>You let him out and he's going to start trying

1:42:37.560 --> 1:42:39.080
<v Speaker 1>to do the process of mummified.

1:42:39.120 --> 1:42:41.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why they're trying to let him out.

1:42:41.000 --> 1:42:42.600
<v Speaker 2>I think they don't want to be around him. I

1:42:42.600 --> 1:42:44.040
<v Speaker 2>think they're sick of being around him.

1:42:44.080 --> 1:42:44.360
<v Speaker 4>I do.

1:42:44.720 --> 1:42:47.840
<v Speaker 2>That's just my theory. Okay, so it gets worse. So

1:42:47.920 --> 1:42:51.320
<v Speaker 2>this is a guy Robert picked him. The pig farm

1:42:51.439 --> 1:42:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Killer Canada. Disheveled Loser is how the New York Times

1:42:56.400 --> 1:42:57.080
<v Speaker 2>described him.

1:42:57.360 --> 1:43:03.599
<v Speaker 1>Ha ha, wait, disheveled loser. Fucking rocks. That's so funny.

1:43:03.600 --> 1:43:05.559
<v Speaker 1>Should we make a shirt that sent dishoveled Loser?

1:43:08.600 --> 1:43:11.519
<v Speaker 2>I guess someone reposted today that on our last episode,

1:43:11.520 --> 1:43:15.280
<v Speaker 2>I wrote like, I've always been paranoid and suspicious or something,

1:43:15.320 --> 1:43:17.599
<v Speaker 2>and I don't remember that I said that, but yeah,

1:43:18.200 --> 1:43:18.760
<v Speaker 2>you said that.

1:43:21.240 --> 1:43:26.400
<v Speaker 4>But I have. I definitely have, but also tricked constantly.

1:43:26.560 --> 1:43:30.719
<v Speaker 2>So this dishoveled Loser owned a CD nightclub called Piggy's Palace,

1:43:31.280 --> 1:43:34.360
<v Speaker 2>and he also owned a pig farm. He would take

1:43:34.400 --> 1:43:36.960
<v Speaker 2>female victims to his pig farm in a crime spree

1:43:37.200 --> 1:43:40.960
<v Speaker 2>near Vancouver and the late nineteen hundreds and early two thousands,

1:43:41.439 --> 1:43:45.479
<v Speaker 2>CNN reported from like nineteen seventy eight to two thousand

1:43:45.520 --> 1:43:49.719
<v Speaker 2>and one was when he was arrested again.

1:43:49.920 --> 1:43:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Decades long criminals. So shit, yeah, twenty three years of

1:43:53.800 --> 1:43:54.680
<v Speaker 1>just crimes.

1:43:54.800 --> 1:43:55.160
<v Speaker 4>Okay.

1:43:55.600 --> 1:43:58.080
<v Speaker 2>He had a seventeen acre farm. It's a pict in

1:43:58.160 --> 1:44:01.439
<v Speaker 2>farm in Port Quakatalam. I don't know it's but it's

1:44:01.439 --> 1:44:05.240
<v Speaker 2>the largest crime investigation scene in Canada's history.

1:44:06.160 --> 1:44:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Detectives. Guy has experts, nightclub called Piggies and a pig farm.

1:44:10.840 --> 1:44:13.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm just kind of registering. Yeah, yeah, fucking crazy. I

1:44:14.000 --> 1:44:16.720
<v Speaker 1>was wondering the lack of reaction. Actually, yeah, like, I'm

1:44:16.720 --> 1:44:19.599
<v Speaker 1>glad it came to you. Sorry, I okay, got it.

1:44:20.400 --> 1:44:23.160
<v Speaker 4>He's sick. So they were, but I okay.

1:44:23.200 --> 1:44:26.519
<v Speaker 2>So they were women of course from cd areas, sex workers,

1:44:26.600 --> 1:44:29.400
<v Speaker 2>users of drugs that were in the margins of society,

1:44:29.800 --> 1:44:32.600
<v Speaker 2>and Vancouver Police of course, have been criticized for not

1:44:32.640 --> 1:44:35.680
<v Speaker 2>taking these cases seriously earlier because of the types of

1:44:35.720 --> 1:44:38.920
<v Speaker 2>victims they were, and a lot of these victims were indigenous.

1:44:39.160 --> 1:44:39.479
<v Speaker 4>Okay.

1:44:40.240 --> 1:44:43.880
<v Speaker 2>So he would throw drug and alcohol fueled parties. That's

1:44:43.880 --> 1:44:47.759
<v Speaker 2>how we would lure people in. And in two years alone,

1:44:47.800 --> 1:44:50.040
<v Speaker 2>twenty five women met missing in the area and the

1:44:50.040 --> 1:44:53.720
<v Speaker 2>cops couldn't put together. There was a cereal twenty five

1:44:53.720 --> 1:44:55.599
<v Speaker 2>women in two years and not one cop was like,

1:44:55.760 --> 1:44:59.320
<v Speaker 2>are they connected? I just I can't picked in Also

1:44:59.400 --> 1:45:02.280
<v Speaker 2>to sixth grade education, by the way, so this guy

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<v Speaker 2>who has a sixth grade education.

1:45:03.920 --> 1:45:07.800
<v Speaker 4>Is just the cops can't figure it out. Yeah.

1:45:08.000 --> 1:45:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Evaded the cops for decades, and of course he had

1:45:11.000 --> 1:45:14.280
<v Speaker 2>other brushes with the law. He was charged with attempted

1:45:14.360 --> 1:45:18.160
<v Speaker 2>murder in ninety seven after a woman, Wendy lynn Ice Tetter,

1:45:18.320 --> 1:45:21.679
<v Speaker 2>was found bloody and disheveled on a road near his farm.

1:45:22.240 --> 1:45:25.200
<v Speaker 2>He said he was defending himself from a robbery attempt,

1:45:25.200 --> 1:45:29.080
<v Speaker 2>and the charges were dropped. A year later, his former employee,

1:45:29.080 --> 1:45:32.519
<v Speaker 2>Bill Hawkescox called a hotline set up by one of

1:45:32.520 --> 1:45:35.679
<v Speaker 2>the missing sex workers Lovers and reported that his foster

1:45:35.760 --> 1:45:39.160
<v Speaker 2>sister saw bloodied women's clothing in the farm when she

1:45:39.280 --> 1:45:42.120
<v Speaker 2>worked there as a domestic servant, which I think is

1:45:42.160 --> 1:45:46.519
<v Speaker 2>outdated language or I don't know, yeah, maybe she is.

1:45:46.680 --> 1:45:47.680
<v Speaker 4>I don't know what this is.

1:45:47.960 --> 1:45:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it was a sexual I can't noah know, she

1:45:51.439 --> 1:45:54.519
<v Speaker 2>was just working at the farm and she saw something,

1:45:55.160 --> 1:45:58.040
<v Speaker 2>but when the cops interviewed her, she denied it. But

1:45:58.760 --> 1:46:01.920
<v Speaker 2>so now another example of how listening to women helps everybody.

1:46:02.040 --> 1:46:05.240
<v Speaker 2>So Detective Laurie Schenner wanted to pursue mister pickt in.

1:46:05.400 --> 1:46:07.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to call him mister fuck that guy

1:46:07.200 --> 1:46:12.280
<v Speaker 2>picked in dishovel. Detective Louri wanted to stuff old loser,

1:46:13.040 --> 1:46:15.920
<v Speaker 2>but people familiar with the case said her superiors did

1:46:15.960 --> 1:46:19.679
<v Speaker 2>not think he was particularly likely culprit among the two

1:46:19.720 --> 1:46:22.840
<v Speaker 2>hundred suspected they had listed. And this is according to

1:46:22.880 --> 1:46:25.559
<v Speaker 2>The New York Times. A woman who wrote a book

1:46:25.600 --> 1:46:27.719
<v Speaker 2>about her sister and the other women that went missing,

1:46:27.760 --> 1:46:29.840
<v Speaker 2>said that Laurie wanted to build a case around him,

1:46:30.080 --> 1:46:33.760
<v Speaker 2>but the department did not support her. So finally, in

1:46:33.840 --> 1:46:39.320
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety eight, Kim Rossmo, an investigator specializing and profiling criminals,

1:46:39.680 --> 1:46:42.479
<v Speaker 2>urged the department to investigate the possibility that all these

1:46:42.520 --> 1:46:47.320
<v Speaker 2>missing women were killed by one man. Superiors refused, so

1:46:47.640 --> 1:46:50.920
<v Speaker 2>he says, Canada's largest serial killer investigation was on their

1:46:50.960 --> 1:46:55.160
<v Speaker 2>doorstep and they fumbled the ball that hard and that

1:46:55.200 --> 1:46:57.320
<v Speaker 2>he said that to the Times, and what they did

1:46:57.360 --> 1:47:01.600
<v Speaker 2>instead was failed to renew his contract, and they just

1:47:01.640 --> 1:47:03.760
<v Speaker 2>hated it. They're like, yeah, he's just doing this because

1:47:03.800 --> 1:47:05.479
<v Speaker 2>he has sour grapes, because we let him go. But

1:47:05.520 --> 1:47:07.280
<v Speaker 2>they let him go because he wanted to do this

1:47:07.320 --> 1:47:10.599
<v Speaker 2>and they didn't want to. So the remains or DNA

1:47:10.920 --> 1:47:13.400
<v Speaker 2>of thirty three women were found on the farm, but

1:47:13.439 --> 1:47:17.880
<v Speaker 2>there were two hundred thousand DNA samples that were taken

1:47:17.920 --> 1:47:21.599
<v Speaker 2>from the investigative team there. They were on that farm

1:47:21.680 --> 1:47:25.759
<v Speaker 2>for eighteen months and it cost sixty one million dollars

1:47:25.800 --> 1:47:28.960
<v Speaker 2>to do the search. And the farm also had really

1:47:29.080 --> 1:47:32.479
<v Speaker 2>crazy signs when you entered it said no visitors, agents, peddlers,

1:47:32.560 --> 1:47:37.840
<v Speaker 2>or salespeople. Equal admittance by appointment, admittance right, admittance by

1:47:37.880 --> 1:47:42.640
<v Speaker 2>appointment only, no exceptions. This property is protected by a

1:47:42.680 --> 1:47:51.880
<v Speaker 2>pitbull with aids. What yeah, okay, so skull and we do.

1:47:51.960 --> 1:47:56.720
<v Speaker 4>Keep learning new things. This is crazy, we do. So.

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<v Speaker 2>Skulls and teeth of women were found in the freezer,

1:48:00.040 --> 1:48:03.880
<v Speaker 2>andrew buckets with skulls, hands, partial feet of a couple women.

1:48:03.880 --> 1:48:04.679
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god.

1:48:04.960 --> 1:48:10.799
<v Speaker 2>Bodies with bullet wounds, personal belongings, clothing, fingernails, tiny body

1:48:10.800 --> 1:48:15.200
<v Speaker 2>pieces in a fridge trailer, garbage, hands filled with body parts, purses.

1:48:15.800 --> 1:48:18.760
<v Speaker 2>He rapped to an undercover cop once that he killed

1:48:18.800 --> 1:48:22.200
<v Speaker 2>a total of forty nine women. They planted someone in

1:48:22.240 --> 1:48:26.320
<v Speaker 2>his cell and he gained his trust and god it wow,

1:48:26.760 --> 1:48:29.400
<v Speaker 2>he told this dude. He strangled his victims and then

1:48:29.520 --> 1:48:31.679
<v Speaker 2>fed their remains to his pigs.

1:48:32.280 --> 1:48:37.519
<v Speaker 1>This is a storyline in Hannibal, the TV show Hannibal.

1:48:37.960 --> 1:48:40.599
<v Speaker 2>There's a character what nineteen eighty four is? Aren't they

1:48:40.600 --> 1:48:42.040
<v Speaker 2>like pigs that do weird things?

1:48:42.040 --> 1:48:43.519
<v Speaker 4>Should I read it? I'll read it.

1:48:44.040 --> 1:48:48.120
<v Speaker 1>But nineteen eighty four is like an allegory or something

1:48:48.320 --> 1:48:50.880
<v Speaker 1>like this in Hannibal, Like there is a guy who

1:48:50.920 --> 1:48:52.840
<v Speaker 1>like kills people and feeds them to his pigs, because

1:48:52.920 --> 1:48:54.960
<v Speaker 1>pigs will eat like anything in like the body. There's

1:48:55.000 --> 1:48:57.120
<v Speaker 1>like they eat the bones too. I guess like there's

1:48:57.160 --> 1:49:01.880
<v Speaker 1>nothing remaining. Okay, we'll I have more deeps unfortunately, okay, great.

1:49:01.960 --> 1:49:05.280
<v Speaker 2>He would hang some victims like he would hang them,

1:49:05.320 --> 1:49:07.639
<v Speaker 2>skin the and skin them on a meat hook. Oh

1:49:07.720 --> 1:49:11.439
<v Speaker 2>my god, the ish the more issues arose because health

1:49:11.439 --> 1:49:13.720
<v Speaker 2>officials had to issue a tainted meat warning to all

1:49:13.760 --> 1:49:15.760
<v Speaker 2>the neighbors who were buying pork from his farm.

1:49:15.960 --> 1:49:18.479
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, yeah, I don't want anyone to get sick.

1:49:19.720 --> 1:49:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Not one body had been found intact, so a lot

1:49:22.720 --> 1:49:25.439
<v Speaker 2>of suffering, of course, Oh my god. And the wood

1:49:25.439 --> 1:49:28.439
<v Speaker 2>shepperd would wood chip into the pig's mouths.

1:49:29.600 --> 1:49:30.880
<v Speaker 4>So he destroyed a lot.

1:49:31.640 --> 1:49:35.840
<v Speaker 2>He also sold soil to businesses around British Columbia. So

1:49:35.960 --> 1:49:40.759
<v Speaker 2>all that land and soil was bought and then condos

1:49:40.840 --> 1:49:44.519
<v Speaker 2>developed on all these places. It's like there's evidence of

1:49:44.600 --> 1:49:48.280
<v Speaker 2>bodies all over British Columbia. So he was arrested February

1:49:48.360 --> 1:49:51.720
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and two on almost accidents. They weren't even

1:49:51.880 --> 1:49:57.080
<v Speaker 2>looking for these women. The Royal Canadian Mountain Police, Mounted

1:49:57.120 --> 1:50:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Police whatever the Canadian police arrived to form to investigate

1:50:01.120 --> 1:50:05.479
<v Speaker 2>reports that he had an unlicensed shotgun, and then then.

1:50:05.320 --> 1:50:07.320
<v Speaker 4>We're gonna look into We're gonna look into that.

1:50:08.200 --> 1:50:11.440
<v Speaker 2>And then when they went to search for this unlicensed shotgun,

1:50:11.800 --> 1:50:14.639
<v Speaker 2>they found an asthma and hayler and ID cards belonging

1:50:14.640 --> 1:50:15.479
<v Speaker 2>to missing women.

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<v Speaker 4>He was then charged with the murder of twenty six women.

1:50:18.520 --> 1:50:22.080
<v Speaker 2>Split between two trials, he was convicted of six counts

1:50:22.080 --> 1:50:25.320
<v Speaker 2>of second degree murder second degree listen to that sentenced

1:50:25.320 --> 1:50:29.160
<v Speaker 2>to life in prison in O seven. The victims of

1:50:29.360 --> 1:50:33.599
<v Speaker 2>those six were Mona Wilson, Serena abbots Way, Marnie Frey,

1:50:33.960 --> 1:50:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Brenda Wolfe, Andrea Josberry, Georgina Pappened.

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<v Speaker 1>Do any of these guys like say, why they do

1:50:40.800 --> 1:50:43.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like does he say why like the last

1:50:43.200 --> 1:50:46.559
<v Speaker 1>guy was like delusional, thought that he was like actually

1:50:46.920 --> 1:50:50.240
<v Speaker 1>not the last guy that guy was had suffered from schizophrenia,

1:50:50.320 --> 1:50:53.360
<v Speaker 1>thought that he was the first guy that you talked about,

1:50:53.760 --> 1:50:55.400
<v Speaker 1>was saying like he thought he was like doing these

1:50:55.400 --> 1:50:56.200
<v Speaker 1>women a favor?

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<v Speaker 4>What is this pig torture man thinking? I don't know,

1:50:59.680 --> 1:51:02.880
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I don't know. There's like there doesn't have

1:51:02.960 --> 1:51:04.679
<v Speaker 4>to be like a motive, but it's just.

1:51:04.600 --> 1:51:07.680
<v Speaker 2>So his whole chance was, yeah, the remains were on

1:51:07.720 --> 1:51:09.479
<v Speaker 2>my farm, but I had nothing to do with it.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, so they read the verdict.

1:51:12.280 --> 1:51:14.240
<v Speaker 2>He had his head bowed and then a jury of

1:51:14.280 --> 1:51:16.360
<v Speaker 2>seven men and five women took ten days to reach

1:51:16.400 --> 1:51:16.880
<v Speaker 2>the verdict.

1:51:17.280 --> 1:51:18.160
<v Speaker 4>Ten days.

1:51:18.280 --> 1:51:21.400
<v Speaker 2>So listen, so you will get life in prison. But

1:51:22.200 --> 1:51:24.880
<v Speaker 2>because it was second degree murder, he does get a chance.

1:51:24.920 --> 1:51:28.280
<v Speaker 2>He's eligible for parole in ten years. But I don't

1:51:28.320 --> 1:51:30.879
<v Speaker 2>understand why there was even a chance of parole. But Canada,

1:51:30.960 --> 1:51:33.160
<v Speaker 2>you get it, and the most you can keep someone

1:51:33.280 --> 1:51:35.400
<v Speaker 2>until parole is twenty five. So you can't get a

1:51:35.439 --> 1:51:38.080
<v Speaker 2>life sentence, but you become eligible. But I also don't

1:51:38.160 --> 1:51:40.800
<v Speaker 2>understand why it was the second degree lesser charge That

1:51:40.840 --> 1:51:44.000
<v Speaker 2>means not planned, but it's clearly first degree murder.

1:51:44.760 --> 1:51:47.880
<v Speaker 1>You that brings somebody up and skin them accidentally and then.

1:51:47.760 --> 1:51:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Get rid of all the remains, like you plan all that,

1:51:49.760 --> 1:51:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't like getting rid of bodies means you've planned, yeah,

1:51:54.560 --> 1:51:58.439
<v Speaker 2>so or I guess not whatever. I just wonder because

1:51:58.560 --> 1:52:01.240
<v Speaker 2>the first degree murder in Canada would be immediate life sentence,

1:52:01.400 --> 1:52:04.360
<v Speaker 2>no parole, So that's annoying.

1:52:04.439 --> 1:52:06.080
<v Speaker 4>I think it's clear it's six people.

1:52:06.240 --> 1:52:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Like CBS News reported that he did get the minimum

1:52:09.479 --> 1:52:12.479
<v Speaker 2>twenty five years before being eligible for parole, and I

1:52:12.520 --> 1:52:14.880
<v Speaker 2>get it just means eligible, not that they'll let him out,

1:52:15.080 --> 1:52:17.680
<v Speaker 2>but I just think it's psycho.

1:52:18.360 --> 1:52:21.360
<v Speaker 1>If so he's eligible in two years, right, twenty twenty seven.

1:52:21.800 --> 1:52:25.960
<v Speaker 2>That was also before the other twenty charges even went

1:52:26.000 --> 1:52:29.080
<v Speaker 2>to court, so he's not going to get out. Canada

1:52:29.120 --> 1:52:31.360
<v Speaker 2>does not have the death penalty, but none of that

1:52:31.400 --> 1:52:36.800
<v Speaker 2>actually matters. He was killed in prisonam okay, So I'm

1:52:36.840 --> 1:52:39.439
<v Speaker 2>against the death penalty, but if it's it's a yard murder,

1:52:39.479 --> 1:52:42.760
<v Speaker 2>it's a yard murder. May nineteenth, twenty twenty four, so

1:52:42.920 --> 1:52:46.080
<v Speaker 2>recent he was murdered in prison. He was seventy four

1:52:46.160 --> 1:52:50.040
<v Speaker 2>years old, and then just the thing like Time magazine

1:52:50.080 --> 1:52:52.360
<v Speaker 2>and you sick in me writing there was like an

1:52:52.439 --> 1:52:56.000
<v Speaker 2>article and it was he killed twenty six drug addicted prostitutes.

1:52:56.840 --> 1:52:59.800
<v Speaker 4>No, he killed twenty six women. He killed twenty six women.

1:53:00.120 --> 1:53:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he confessed to forty nine, right he said

1:53:03.000 --> 1:53:07.000
<v Speaker 1>forty nine. I mean like no, no, yeah to the undercovery. Yeah,

1:53:07.160 --> 1:53:07.960
<v Speaker 1>oh my god.

1:53:08.160 --> 1:53:10.240
<v Speaker 2>But does a fucking matter like your Time magazine, Like

1:53:10.280 --> 1:53:12.320
<v Speaker 2>that's how you see them, Like this is what sucks.

1:53:12.320 --> 1:53:15.720
<v Speaker 2>It's not just like if everyone had better views of

1:53:15.760 --> 1:53:19.479
<v Speaker 2>these people, these criminals couldn't do it. It's like we,

1:53:19.800 --> 1:53:23.200
<v Speaker 2>like a society shares these views, Like for Time magazine

1:53:23.760 --> 1:53:27.000
<v Speaker 2>to call these women drug addicted prostitutes after they were

1:53:27.040 --> 1:53:31.559
<v Speaker 2>brutally murdered, tortured, hung up, skinned, fed to pigs, like

1:53:31.720 --> 1:53:35.840
<v Speaker 2>fuck you, yeah, fuck you. But but you say his job,

1:53:35.880 --> 1:53:38.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, he gets to be the pig farm killer. Yeah,

1:53:38.600 --> 1:53:41.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you were fucking killed. One more crime. I

1:53:41.120 --> 1:53:43.120
<v Speaker 2>do apologize, and I do want everyone to know. There

1:53:43.200 --> 1:53:44.920
<v Speaker 2>was like eight option. There was like a lot of

1:53:44.960 --> 1:53:46.920
<v Speaker 2>crimes for this one. So I've really narrowed it down

1:53:46.920 --> 1:53:49.600
<v Speaker 2>as much as I could. But when people are mummifying, I,

1:53:50.000 --> 1:53:52.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, I can't are doing so many weird things. Yeah,

1:53:53.000 --> 1:53:55.880
<v Speaker 2>and it's like the victims and the time frames of

1:53:55.880 --> 1:53:57.640
<v Speaker 2>getting away with it, and I think it's just like

1:53:57.680 --> 1:53:59.880
<v Speaker 2>these were important for me to share.

1:54:00.800 --> 1:54:01.160
<v Speaker 4>Okay.

1:54:01.439 --> 1:54:05.559
<v Speaker 2>So the next case is Harrison Graham, unemployed handyman in

1:54:05.560 --> 1:54:09.800
<v Speaker 2>North Philadelphia. He was late twenties, early thirties vibe, I

1:54:09.800 --> 1:54:12.040
<v Speaker 2>don't really know, six feet tall, and he was known

1:54:12.080 --> 1:54:14.960
<v Speaker 2>to wear thick glasses. He lived in a Rundown apartment

1:54:14.960 --> 1:54:17.400
<v Speaker 2>for four years that was known as the Shooting Gallery.

1:54:17.640 --> 1:54:20.320
<v Speaker 2>So that's where people addicted to drugs bought news heroin.

1:54:20.880 --> 1:54:23.360
<v Speaker 2>But he lived in that neighborhood for eight years. His

1:54:23.479 --> 1:54:27.679
<v Speaker 2>place at the time was described knee deep in debris. Yeah,

1:54:28.120 --> 1:54:32.080
<v Speaker 2>some of us have that in Workshill. You're allowed to

1:54:32.080 --> 1:54:35.040
<v Speaker 2>have debris in your home and be a cool girl.

1:54:36.640 --> 1:54:39.880
<v Speaker 1>There's debris and then there's what you're about to describe

1:54:40.440 --> 1:54:46.720
<v Speaker 1>with in the mouse, discarded syringes, piles of mattresses, old clothes, sheets, boards,

1:54:46.760 --> 1:54:49.480
<v Speaker 1>and boxes. I guess I only have old clothes, sheets,

1:54:49.480 --> 1:54:53.080
<v Speaker 1>and boxes, so that's pretty good. Yeah, And I think

1:54:53.120 --> 1:54:55.680
<v Speaker 1>in the boxes there's new clothes, you know, like there's stuff.

1:54:55.800 --> 1:55:00.640
<v Speaker 1>It's we're not talking about, uh, I've seen your pretty bad.

1:55:01.720 --> 1:55:04.520
<v Speaker 2>It was also invested with fleas and one wall was

1:55:04.560 --> 1:55:10.520
<v Speaker 2>stained with dried blood. Okay committed crimes between eighty six

1:55:10.560 --> 1:55:13.120
<v Speaker 2>and eighty seven. He was caught when he was evicted

1:55:13.200 --> 1:55:16.600
<v Speaker 2>from his apartment because there was a strong stench. And

1:55:16.680 --> 1:55:19.880
<v Speaker 2>this is August, okay, August eighty seven, you know it's hot.

1:55:19.960 --> 1:55:24.920
<v Speaker 2>So the landlord's nephew, Gregory Smallie, was taking care of

1:55:24.960 --> 1:55:27.280
<v Speaker 2>the you know, it's a rundown fucking place, but of

1:55:27.280 --> 1:55:29.480
<v Speaker 2>the property while his uncle was in the hospital. And

1:55:29.520 --> 1:55:31.440
<v Speaker 2>he ran into Graham and he's like, hey, it smells

1:55:31.480 --> 1:55:33.480
<v Speaker 2>like shit, like you have to leave. You're being evicted.

1:55:33.520 --> 1:55:35.200
<v Speaker 2>Graham's like, fine, fine, fine, let me just get a

1:55:35.200 --> 1:55:37.720
<v Speaker 2>few things. And he was like, and please stay out

1:55:37.720 --> 1:55:39.840
<v Speaker 2>of there until you know I can grab my stuff.

1:55:40.360 --> 1:55:43.360
<v Speaker 2>So Smallie, all of a sudden, I heard banging, hammering.

1:55:43.800 --> 1:55:44.040
<v Speaker 4>Said.

1:55:44.040 --> 1:55:46.880
<v Speaker 2>The apartment was missing a doorknob and the door was

1:55:47.000 --> 1:55:49.760
<v Speaker 2>nailed shut from the outside. So he looked through the

1:55:49.800 --> 1:55:52.839
<v Speaker 2>doorknob hole. He saw two bodies, so he called the police.

1:55:53.360 --> 1:55:56.000
<v Speaker 2>The police Pride opened the nail door. They found six

1:55:56.080 --> 1:55:59.760
<v Speaker 2>bodies in his bedroom, a leg foot bones on the roof,

1:56:00.360 --> 1:56:04.040
<v Speaker 2>a torso in the basement of a neighboring house. Some

1:56:04.120 --> 1:56:06.440
<v Speaker 2>of the bodies were no more than skeletons, and then

1:56:06.440 --> 1:56:08.720
<v Speaker 2>there was a green Duffel bag filled with bones.

1:56:09.560 --> 1:56:12.280
<v Speaker 4>And it's just like, this is so serious.

1:56:12.320 --> 1:56:14.440
<v Speaker 2>But every time I see bones, I think of the

1:56:14.440 --> 1:56:17.640
<v Speaker 2>way you say bones talking about someone else's joke at

1:56:17.720 --> 1:56:22.200
<v Speaker 2>like bones, Yeah, like on fucks it, like kills me.

1:56:23.000 --> 1:56:25.000
<v Speaker 4>This is serious, Greg Johnson.

1:56:26.360 --> 1:56:29.280
<v Speaker 2>All the bodies were so decomposed it was impossible to

1:56:29.360 --> 1:56:31.920
<v Speaker 2>determine the cause or time of death immediately.

1:56:31.960 --> 1:56:32.680
<v Speaker 4>It took a while.

1:56:33.760 --> 1:56:37.000
<v Speaker 2>So what's crazy is we just covered this case Gary Heidnick,

1:56:37.080 --> 1:56:40.120
<v Speaker 2>the House of Horrors, the torturing that like Silence of

1:56:40.120 --> 1:56:43.280
<v Speaker 2>the Lambs where there were six women, the you know

1:56:43.400 --> 1:56:46.080
<v Speaker 2>the tunnel down we did.

1:56:46.360 --> 1:56:46.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1:56:46.760 --> 1:56:51.760
<v Speaker 2>He he stalked kind of like black mentally disabled women.

1:56:52.360 --> 1:56:53.520
<v Speaker 4>He kidnapped them.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, the House of Horrors electrocuted them. Jesus, Why am

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<v Speaker 1>I blacking this out?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel bad. It was what I talk about a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>because the cops really failed pretty hugely with him as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh for the episode Manhunt, Yeah, okay, yeah, so that

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<v Speaker 1>was March eighty seven and that was in North Philadelphia.

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<v Speaker 2>So these were two miles apart, and his was house

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<v Speaker 2>of Horrors, and this was called the House of Death.

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<v Speaker 2>But they were finding body parts for days in different places.

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<v Speaker 2>Friday the fourteenth, they found Ahead and a torso buried

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<v Speaker 2>in a shallow grave in the basement. August fifteenth, police

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<v Speaker 2>found a human skull in a house near a trash

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<v Speaker 2>strone North Philly apartment building.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't speak like that.

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<v Speaker 2>On August fifteenth, police found a human skull in a

1:57:42.600 --> 1:57:46.680
<v Speaker 2>house near some trash near a North Philly apartment building.

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<v Speaker 2>Also in the basement three doors away from Graham's apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like where they found stuff. One of the bodies

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<v Speaker 2>was also sandwiched between two mattresses in his home. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess you guys didn't need any of that, Okay. Taken

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<v Speaker 2>into custody on a busy intersection about ten blocks south

1:58:03.320 --> 1:58:06.600
<v Speaker 2>of his apartment, His mother persuaded him to surrender after

1:58:06.640 --> 1:58:09.480
<v Speaker 2>a week long manhunt. The mom called him around one

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<v Speaker 2>pm in the day to be like, hey, wait for

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<v Speaker 2>me on this corner.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll meet you.

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<v Speaker 2>For those in Philly, it was cecil by Moore Avenue

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<v Speaker 2>and Ninth Street. The murder chargers started to come about

1:58:20.520 --> 1:58:24.879
<v Speaker 2>after several hours of questioning, he confessed to having strangled

1:58:24.920 --> 1:58:28.200
<v Speaker 2>them all accidentally. He said he lured them in with

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<v Speaker 2>drug use and they would do drugs and have sex

1:58:30.480 --> 1:58:33.040
<v Speaker 2>and then he would strangle them. He denies rape, but

1:58:33.120 --> 1:58:36.200
<v Speaker 2>authorities do believe it was rape. He waived a jury

1:58:36.240 --> 1:58:38.839
<v Speaker 2>trial because his attorney and mother said that the graphic

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<v Speaker 2>evidence would strongly affect the jury. His attorney, Joel Moldofsky,

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<v Speaker 2>said he wants that he's mentally disabled and he did

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<v Speaker 2>not know right from wrong. They were all accidental deaths,

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<v Speaker 2>all because of drugs and alcohol. Okay, the eightya Roger

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<v Speaker 2>King was going for the death penalty. He did not

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<v Speaker 2>give a fuck. He's like, that's a serial killer. His

1:58:58.960 --> 1:59:01.960
<v Speaker 2>acts were wilful and tensional and premeditated, and that's to

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<v Speaker 2>the New York Times. But he did have a few characters. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, a real Sibyl situation. He carried around

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<v Speaker 2>a cookie monster, like a stuffed cookie monster, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was his two year old character Junior. He was also Frank,

1:59:20.000 --> 1:59:22.880
<v Speaker 2>and that's the drug addicts murderer. And then Marty was

1:59:22.920 --> 1:59:26.960
<v Speaker 2>the handyman who cooperated with the police. But they had

1:59:27.040 --> 1:59:31.120
<v Speaker 2>really powerful witnesses so two women survived him, but barely,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, according to psychology today, which I don't know

1:59:34.280 --> 1:59:37.720
<v Speaker 2>is a credible source or not. One said that during

1:59:37.840 --> 1:59:40.160
<v Speaker 2>sex he would place his hands around her throat and

1:59:40.240 --> 1:59:42.480
<v Speaker 2>squeeze and she didn't like it, and he told her

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<v Speaker 2>that he'd kill one of his that he had killed

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<v Speaker 2>one of his former girlfriends, so that's something. And then

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<v Speaker 2>the second witness confirmed that he confessed to killing and

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<v Speaker 2>also threatened her with a machete, which does sound drug fueled.

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<v Speaker 2>The witnesses confirmed he talked to his cookie monster toy

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<v Speaker 2>all the time he was and the deaths of seven

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<v Speaker 2>women and convicted of seven counts each of first degree

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<v Speaker 2>murder and abuse of a corpse in April eighty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>It took a long time to identify the victims, but

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<v Speaker 2>they are Cynthia Brooks, Valerie Jamison, Mary Jeter Mathis, Barbara Mahoney,

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<v Speaker 2>Robin Deshazzar, Sandra Garvin, and Patricia Franklin. His death sentence

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<v Speaker 2>was vacated in two thousand and three due to his

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<v Speaker 2>low IQ, and the judge was like, we'll just execute

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<v Speaker 2>him after his life sentences.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's kind of like a semantics weird game.

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<v Speaker 2>Because he has so many life sentences and they're running consecutively,

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<v Speaker 2>so he would you know, so the death penalty without

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<v Speaker 2>the death penalty kind of a thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Life in prison operol.

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<v Speaker 2>He asked for his cookie monster stuffed animal as he

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<v Speaker 2>was being taken away.

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<v Speaker 4>From court by the bailiff. They said no, and he's

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<v Speaker 4>still in jail at the State Correctional Institution in Cole Township.

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<v Speaker 4>Jeez geez.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And I do wonder if the people sitting

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<v Speaker 2>next to me on the Amtrak looked on my computer

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<v Speaker 2>screen and thought of anything or not. Yeah, as I

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<v Speaker 2>was looking at the mummified photos from Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>The sad part too, is that like this episode could

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<v Speaker 1>have been based I mean, like aside from the mummy case,

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<v Speaker 1>like so many cases, like so many serial killers have

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<v Speaker 1>gone after just like sex workers and people on the fringes, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, I think I focused on the ones

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<v Speaker 2>that like long time frames and also like desecration of bodies,

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<v Speaker 2>because there was some decapitators and stuff, but it didn't. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but anyway, thank you for doing all that work.

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<v Speaker 1>Are next, We're moving on. We've got a guest. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got a guest, baby, I think you can guess who

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<v Speaker 1>it is.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Our guest today is an actor you may recognize from

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<v Speaker 1>films like When See Us and Tesla. He was also

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<v Speaker 1>recently in two episodes of Long Order Organized Crime if

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<v Speaker 1>you mess with that franchise, but you know him best

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<v Speaker 1>as the terrifying Mumma fire Trace Lambert. Please enjoy our

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful chat with Blake DeLong. So this is so funny,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we've done this podcast for so long, We've talked

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<v Speaker 1>to so many guys who play absolute creeps and then

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<v Speaker 1>they get on the zoom and I'm just like, you

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<v Speaker 1>just seem like a guy I would see in Brooklyn.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was terrified of you ten minutes ago. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>uh this part, Wow, you've already like I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>what the order is, but you've already done some other

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<v Speaker 1>dick wolf stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>How did this?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you did, oh see most recently, which I want

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<v Speaker 1>to ask about. But how did this SVU audition come

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<v Speaker 1>to you? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>It was an offer, Yes, it was a shocking offer

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<v Speaker 5>that I was very.

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<v Speaker 4>Happy to get.

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<v Speaker 5>And I had auditions, you know, I'm sure everybody says

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<v Speaker 5>I had audition and for sv bazillion times before I

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<v Speaker 5>got it, and it came at a very interesting moment

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<v Speaker 5>in my own personal timeline. So like I'll try to

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<v Speaker 5>make this not take forever to explain, but in like

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<v Speaker 5>the years leading up to the pandemic, my wife and

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<v Speaker 5>I had been trying to get pregnant and failing and

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<v Speaker 5>feeling like failures. And I was also dealing with this

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<v Speaker 5>terrible back injury that I had gotten partly from doing

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<v Speaker 5>a play for a long time, and I was managing

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<v Speaker 5>the pain of that by going to physical therapy sometimes

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<v Speaker 5>up to three times a week for years, for like

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<v Speaker 5>eight years, acupuncture and all this shit. And during twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 5>when they closed everything, I couldn't go get my my therapy.

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<v Speaker 5>And by the end of that year, I was in

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<v Speaker 5>so much pains, had discs, you know, slipping out on

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<v Speaker 5>my nerves. I couldn't even sit on my couch. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>it was like a fucking not of life. And of

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<v Speaker 5>course during twenty twenty that's all we did was sit

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<v Speaker 5>on our fucking couch. Is so yeah, particularly bad, and

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<v Speaker 5>my wife was like, Okay, you gotta.

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<v Speaker 4>Get this surgery.

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<v Speaker 5>So fast forward to the end of that summer twenty one,

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<v Speaker 5>I had I had made the plans to do the surgery,

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<v Speaker 5>and a week before the surgery, my wife is like,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know where my period is, dude, Okay, well

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<v Speaker 5>we've we've we've seen this episode before, but let's go

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<v Speaker 5>check in.

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<v Speaker 4>So one week to the day, we go to the

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<v Speaker 4>doctor and.

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<v Speaker 5>He's like, you know, doing the ultrasound and there's like

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<v Speaker 5>a he's like scanning across this this you know, void,

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<v Speaker 5>and then there's like a blip, and then he keeps

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<v Speaker 5>scanning and then there's another blip and he's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>so see you right here, Uh check that out. That's

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<v Speaker 5>a heartbeat, you know, very cool, very exciting. And we

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<v Speaker 5>were like, what was the first blip? And he was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>we should probably scrub back to that and see what

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<v Speaker 5>that was all about. And so he like shuttles back

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<v Speaker 5>over and he's like, that is definitely another heartbeat.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 5>And I just remember, like we were all wearing masks

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<v Speaker 5>and tears are just falling down my face and I

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<v Speaker 5>look at my wife and even just like you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I can only see her eyes. It's just this look

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<v Speaker 5>of like a mask of a frozen mask of horror

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<v Speaker 5>and confusion, and just like what and we walked out

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<v Speaker 5>of there. We were walking down the street. We went

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<v Speaker 5>to get some ice cream, and she was We've been

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<v Speaker 5>trying for four years to have kids.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it was a journey. This was a big

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<v Speaker 4>fucking shock.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>This was not IVF or anything. We couldn't afford it,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, and neither of our insurances covered it.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>So we're walking down the street, we go get ice

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<v Speaker 5>cream and she's like, I know that at some point

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<v Speaker 5>this is going to be so wonderful, but right now,

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like I'm at a restaurant and I've ordered

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<v Speaker 5>something very expensive and it's been brought to me and it's.

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<v Speaker 4>The wrong thing.

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<v Speaker 5>I just I want to call the waiter back over

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<v Speaker 5>and be like, no, dude, Like this is not the sushi,

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<v Speaker 5>This is not the sushimi bladder that I fucking ordered.

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<v Speaker 5>So I had now, I had nine months. The surgery

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<v Speaker 5>was a week later. I had spinal fusion a week later.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 5>And they told me, you'll in eight months your back

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<v Speaker 5>will be good enough to sort of live life, but

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<v Speaker 5>it's going to be eight months of recovery. So I

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<v Speaker 5>have this surgery. Two weeks after the surgery, I'm at

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<v Speaker 5>home you know, heavily medicated with a pregnant wife, totally

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<v Speaker 5>you know, drastically unemployed, and I start getting tapes that

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<v Speaker 5>I have to make, and I'm just like, God, this

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<v Speaker 5>is such a bitch making tapes right now. I'm in

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<v Speaker 5>so much pain, but like, I need to work, oh

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<v Speaker 5>as always, so make some tapes. One of the tapes

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<v Speaker 5>was for I think it was for SVU. I it

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<v Speaker 5>must have been the episode before and I don't you

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<v Speaker 5>guys are experts on it so you might remember. But

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<v Speaker 5>there was some part where I had to fucking cry

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<v Speaker 5>my eyes out. I just had to cry my eyes out.

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<v Speaker 5>I was a victim.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh okay, And so I had made.

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<v Speaker 5>This tape with my wife, cried my little heart out,

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<v Speaker 5>sent it in, didn't get it whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>And then yeah, two weeks later, out of nowhere, out.

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<v Speaker 5>Of the blue, my manager's like, hey, you just got

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<v Speaker 5>this offer to do this serial killer part in sview

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<v Speaker 5>and I was like, oh, fuck about time. And it

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<v Speaker 5>actually was the beginning of a whole bunch of work

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<v Speaker 5>that I ended up doing in that time while my

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<v Speaker 5>wife was pregnant, leading up to my Broadway debut, which

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<v Speaker 5>was Death of a Salesman, which I did in twenty

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<v Speaker 5>twenty two while my hit while my twin infants were

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<v Speaker 5>five months old. Friends, Oh my gosh, Burly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that guy thought he was so cool because he

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<v Speaker 2>ran the marathon and did two wickeeds. But I guess

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<v Speaker 2>you did Death of a Salesman with twins week sausted.

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<v Speaker 5>I did that eight times a week with ten infants

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<v Speaker 5>and whens.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you guys have boys? Girls? One one of each?

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<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 4>One of each? Whoa go? The dream? That was dream?

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<v Speaker 1>That was my dream was to have twins and be done,

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<v Speaker 1>but instead I had to do it two separate times.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sorry. Yeah, that's cool too. Yeah, we don't know

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<v Speaker 5>any different. We only know this version of it. It's

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<v Speaker 5>it's amazing. It's often incredibly hard.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, are they like three or four or what? They're three?

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<v Speaker 4>They're three and a half, and they're rad.

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<v Speaker 5>They go to they go to school now, which is

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<v Speaker 5>why I'm like in my office, which I like, never

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<v Speaker 5>came here for three years, hung out with them mostly

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<v Speaker 5>unless I was working.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, when you get this offer, you're obviously excited, perfect

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<v Speaker 2>time you want to and it's an offer from a

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<v Speaker 2>cool show.

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<v Speaker 4>And then once you read the script, where does your Yeah, brain. Dude,

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<v Speaker 4>I was so stoked. Are you kidding?

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<v Speaker 5>I was fucking stoked because you know, I like you guys, said,

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<v Speaker 5>I play a lot of creeps, some bad guys, and

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<v Speaker 5>I love it. I love playing really twisted characters. It's

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<v Speaker 5>just fun to try to figure it out and like

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<v Speaker 5>solve the puzzle of it and make it work. But

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<v Speaker 5>the one I saw that I had this giant one

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<v Speaker 5>on one with our queen, Yeah, I was just like,

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<v Speaker 5>fucking a, I've been chasing this little dragon for so long. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>finally get it and I get to not It's not

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<v Speaker 5>just going to be like a like a little, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>wimpy experience.

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<v Speaker 4>It's going to be the real Yeah. It was real deal, juicy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>And I told her, and I told Bethany Rooney, our director,

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<v Speaker 5>and everybody I could talk to, like, this was my dream,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, this was my SVU dream.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. If I was ever going to do this show,

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<v Speaker 4>this is what I wanted to do. Yeah. One of

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<v Speaker 4>the worst.

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<v Speaker 2>Villains, I would say, one of the hardest episodes to

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<v Speaker 2>watch because they show the mummification.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and you know I wasn't there. I was gonna.

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<v Speaker 4>One of my questions is did you miss did you

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<v Speaker 4>meet the Mummies?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I just laughed when I saw that on the sheet.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you meet the Mummies?

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<v Speaker 5>I did, well, I that night that they were in

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<v Speaker 5>the warehouse. I was also we were in Red Hook

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<v Speaker 5>doing that stuff, and I was on because I had

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<v Speaker 5>to do like there was just this beat with like

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<v Speaker 5>my hands and my voice sort of apprehending one.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the girls. Oh yes, yeah, the part where you

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<v Speaker 4>let's let's be real kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the very opening of this of this episode exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>So I was there waiting and I was like, fuck this,

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<v Speaker 5>and I just like wanted out of my trailer and

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<v Speaker 5>wandered onto a hot set and was so sure someone

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<v Speaker 5>was gonna yell at me, but I was like, I

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<v Speaker 5>have to see.

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<v Speaker 4>I got to see the work, the handywork. Yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 4>So I did. I did it.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're right, the moment with Marishka, you got so

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<v Speaker 2>many cool moments. You know, she's tricky, you got Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's an amazing else that you get to.

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<v Speaker 4>Do with her, which is great, Like she's fricking Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>It is a very old school kind of SVU. Yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, where like you prey upon the guy's own

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<v Speaker 1>like Hubris and like his own like inability to let

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<v Speaker 1>his work go uncredited because he's so genius.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, how was working with your mom?

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<v Speaker 1>I loved that on screen mom, not your real mom

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<v Speaker 1>the I uh, I'm looking Oh, Laura Gardner?

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<v Speaker 4>Is that her name? Laura Gardner?

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<v Speaker 1>You guys were a funny mother son duo, which we've

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<v Speaker 1>also seen on SVU before a lot of moms who

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<v Speaker 1>humiliate their sons into becoming serial killers.

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<v Speaker 5>There's real theme there. Yeah, Laura was awesome. She was

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<v Speaker 5>I remember she was in from l A and she

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<v Speaker 5>was a hoot. She was really funny and she's still

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<v Speaker 5>to this day. If I'm in something, she'll send me

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<v Speaker 5>a d M and say it always says exactly the

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<v Speaker 5>same thing. It just says my son.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 4>I love that. That's so funny. How was doing Law

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<v Speaker 4>and Order Organized Crime?

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<v Speaker 1>You've done a bunch of Dick Wolf stuff, right, like FBI,

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<v Speaker 1>FBI most.

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<v Speaker 4>Bless Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, everyone that works for you. Yeah, they have really

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<v Speaker 5>kept me busy for for years now.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And I watch our Organized Crime, but I'm like a

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<v Speaker 1>season behind, so I haven't seen your season your episode?

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<v Speaker 4>But are you bad? Are you good? What are you in?

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<v Speaker 1>That bad bad.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm bad. Yeah, I'm almost always bad. Have you ever

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<v Speaker 4>done good?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I've played some just sort of like and

2:12:59.040 --> 2:13:00.680
<v Speaker 5>more ambiguous skies.

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<v Speaker 4>I can see you in a rom com. I feel

2:13:03.120 --> 2:13:07.200
<v Speaker 4>like that. I can see it. You know. I thought

2:13:07.280 --> 2:13:10.800
<v Speaker 4>I would do more stuff like that. Yeah you didn't,

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<v Speaker 4>thank you having a look for an evil killer. I didn't.

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<v Speaker 5>I really didn't, but apparently the industry did. But what's

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<v Speaker 5>really funny is that I've done a lot of commercials,

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<v Speaker 5>and God bless the commercial gods for for you know,

2:13:25.880 --> 2:13:28.760
<v Speaker 5>keeping me in their orbit. I've been really lucky with

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<v Speaker 5>that over the years. And when I do commercials I play,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, they're always funny. It's always sort of like

2:13:34.600 --> 2:13:40.040
<v Speaker 5>improv comedy stuff. I did like one class at UCB

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<v Speaker 5>and had a blast doing that, But I didn't have

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<v Speaker 5>a big comedy background. I just started booking these things

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<v Speaker 5>where I would I would be improving with.

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<v Speaker 4>People and just that shit's so fun.

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<v Speaker 5>And so I thought years ago, when I started doing

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<v Speaker 5>this and I started having success doing that, I thought

2:13:54.800 --> 2:13:55.919
<v Speaker 5>I might do comedy.

2:13:56.000 --> 2:13:58.520
<v Speaker 4>You know, I don't ever do fucking comedy.

2:13:58.560 --> 2:14:02.080
<v Speaker 2>I wish you who were you in that movie Late Night?

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<v Speaker 4>Just one of the writers, one of the guy writers

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<v Speaker 4>in the room. Yeah, in the room.

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<v Speaker 5>I had one sort of brief but great scene with

2:14:12.160 --> 2:14:17.280
<v Speaker 5>Emma Thompson and she fired me. She was the nicest person.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll tell you, dude, the Brits when you're working with them,

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<v Speaker 5>they are out of control nice. I mean the first

2:14:27.200 --> 2:14:29.760
<v Speaker 5>movie I ever was on, the first like feature I

2:14:29.800 --> 2:14:30.200
<v Speaker 5>ever did.

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<v Speaker 4>I had one day on we need to talk about Kevin.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, It's on my list of things to

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<v Speaker 1>ask you about because psychotically it is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>first movies I ever saw with my husband.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like one of our first dates.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa And we always tell people were like, isn't that insane?

2:14:45.560 --> 2:14:47.080
<v Speaker 1>Like we didn't really know what it was about. We

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<v Speaker 1>were like, oh, we like indie movies. Let's go see

2:14:48.920 --> 2:14:49.520
<v Speaker 1>this cool movie.

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<v Speaker 5>And then we were like, oh, yeah, what a cozy

2:14:52.800 --> 2:14:53.280
<v Speaker 5>date movie.

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<v Speaker 4>We walked out like totally traumatized. Traumatized.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I've seen it exactly one time when it

2:15:00.120 --> 2:15:01.080
<v Speaker 5>came out.

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<v Speaker 4>Never watch it again. It's not a rewatch type of movie.

2:15:04.200 --> 2:15:07.720
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's it's heavy.

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<v Speaker 5>But I I remember I got this job and I

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<v Speaker 5>was so excited, you know, and I'm going to do

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<v Speaker 5>a scene with fucking Tilda Swinton. Yeah, And I had

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<v Speaker 5>to go up to this little town in Connecticut. It

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<v Speaker 5>was me and one other guy. We will play these

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<v Speaker 5>Jehovah's witnesses. And I walked up to a makeup trailer

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<v Speaker 5>and I opened the door and inside was only one

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<v Speaker 5>human and it was till This Winton.

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<v Speaker 4>And she turned and looked at me, and immediately she

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<v Speaker 4>was just like, oh, hello, you'll blake. I know you.

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<v Speaker 6>I've seen your audition tape. You're marvelous. We're so lucky

2:15:44.960 --> 2:15:47.040
<v Speaker 6>to have an actual of your caliber to play this part.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you so much for being here. Like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 6>out of control? How did you know who I was?

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<v Speaker 6>I can't believe it? And all day she was like that.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, we were doing these takes and she would

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<v Speaker 5>pop out of you know the door, you know, the house,

2:16:02.680 --> 2:16:04.280
<v Speaker 5>and poke her head out and say, what would.

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<v Speaker 4>You guys think you want? Try something new? Or how

2:16:06.120 --> 2:16:06.920
<v Speaker 4>do you feel? You know?

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<v Speaker 5>It's just swing working with Lynn Ramsey, who's an absolute genius,

2:16:12.920 --> 2:16:14.720
<v Speaker 5>and Tilda Swinton can't be nicer.

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<v Speaker 4>It was.

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<v Speaker 5>It was such an amazing first day of work up

2:16:19.200 --> 2:16:21.760
<v Speaker 5>for you know, a young actor and it's it's set

2:16:21.800 --> 2:16:22.640
<v Speaker 5>a bar really hard.

2:16:22.680 --> 2:16:24.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no one does.

2:16:25.160 --> 2:16:27.360
<v Speaker 5>No one gets to be an asshole, you know, like

2:16:27.440 --> 2:16:30.920
<v Speaker 5>if if, if Tilda Swinton can be this great.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what we always say about Maria. We always say

2:16:34.360 --> 2:16:34.840
<v Speaker 4>that about her.

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<v Speaker 1>She's done twenty seven, she's in her twenty seventh season

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<v Speaker 1>of television. We've interviewed hundreds of actors that have worked

2:16:41.600 --> 2:16:46.840
<v Speaker 1>with her and barely an unkind word, and everybody's obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with her. And I'm like, well, yeah, no one's allowed

2:16:48.240 --> 2:16:50.000
<v Speaker 1>to be a dick. Then if she's being cool, she

2:16:50.040 --> 2:16:51.600
<v Speaker 1>has the right to be a dick. I guess she's

2:16:51.640 --> 2:16:52.080
<v Speaker 1>earned it.

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<v Speaker 4>But she's not.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, you know, but she's not at all. And you

2:16:54.920 --> 2:16:59.960
<v Speaker 5>know she she really really fucking cares about the show

2:17:00.360 --> 2:17:06.000
<v Speaker 5>and about about the issues. Like for her, I really

2:17:06.200 --> 2:17:09.920
<v Speaker 5>think it's a it's a calling, you know, And in

2:17:09.959 --> 2:17:13.120
<v Speaker 5>that way when you meet people like that, for me,

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<v Speaker 5>it's just sort of like I'm such a just kind

2:17:16.400 --> 2:17:21.480
<v Speaker 5>of mid level, you know, random character actor type of dude,

2:17:21.720 --> 2:17:23.400
<v Speaker 5>and then I meet people like this at the top

2:17:23.440 --> 2:17:26.080
<v Speaker 5>of the industry, and sometimes they suck, But when they're

2:17:26.120 --> 2:17:29.640
<v Speaker 5>like that, I'm like, man, you deserve to have all

2:17:29.680 --> 2:17:33.120
<v Speaker 5>of this success like you deserve and you should be

2:17:33.240 --> 2:17:33.840
<v Speaker 5>this person.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's just so inspiring.

2:17:35.920 --> 2:17:38.440
<v Speaker 5>It really is like it's corny as it sounds corny,

2:17:38.440 --> 2:17:40.480
<v Speaker 5>but it's really inspiring well.

2:17:40.280 --> 2:17:43.120
<v Speaker 2>And that we hear that she does like coverage, that

2:17:43.280 --> 2:17:47.080
<v Speaker 2>she really like she knows what it means to be

2:17:47.080 --> 2:17:48.560
<v Speaker 2>a guest str on that show and then that's the

2:17:48.600 --> 2:17:50.800
<v Speaker 2>heavy lifting or the victim or the killer or whatever.

2:17:50.879 --> 2:17:53.800
<v Speaker 2>And it seems like she's very supportive of other actors.

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<v Speaker 5>She was so cool she you know, right away we

2:17:57.600 --> 2:18:01.080
<v Speaker 5>just started, we just started jamming and both of us

2:18:01.160 --> 2:18:04.080
<v Speaker 5>were really vibing off each other, and then we we

2:18:04.560 --> 2:18:09.520
<v Speaker 5>sort of knew we had it after the first you know,

2:18:09.560 --> 2:18:12.560
<v Speaker 5>we sort of did this master and then we turned

2:18:12.600 --> 2:18:14.840
<v Speaker 5>around in a medium on me, and then we turned

2:18:14.879 --> 2:18:17.600
<v Speaker 5>around a medium on her, and then she was she

2:18:17.800 --> 2:18:22.360
<v Speaker 5>was like, hey, come over here, and we went into

2:18:22.400 --> 2:18:25.920
<v Speaker 5>a closet. There's like a closet in the interrogation room

2:18:26.120 --> 2:18:28.440
<v Speaker 5>and she closed the door and she was literally like,

2:18:28.800 --> 2:18:31.400
<v Speaker 5>all right, we already got it, Like it's so good,

2:18:31.640 --> 2:18:33.720
<v Speaker 5>and she was like, let's go back and for the

2:18:33.720 --> 2:18:37.240
<v Speaker 5>rest of this coverage, let's do it like we're just

2:18:37.480 --> 2:18:42.120
<v Speaker 5>in the grittiest little indie movie, like we should just

2:18:42.360 --> 2:18:44.800
<v Speaker 5>fucking be as quiet as we want we can get,

2:18:44.959 --> 2:18:48.039
<v Speaker 5>we can go off script, like just just jam, just improv,

2:18:48.240 --> 2:18:50.360
<v Speaker 5>let's go. And I was like, are you serious and

2:18:50.400 --> 2:18:52.480
<v Speaker 5>she was like, yeah, let's fucking go. And you know,

2:18:52.560 --> 2:18:55.160
<v Speaker 5>we never got so far off the script, but we did.

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<v Speaker 5>I really feel like when I saw it, they use

2:19:00.200 --> 2:19:03.959
<v Speaker 5>so much of the of the singles on both of

2:19:04.040 --> 2:19:06.680
<v Speaker 5>us that we were doing in our last like three tapes.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's cool to have like the actor be the

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<v Speaker 2>like one of the EPs where she can make those

2:19:11.959 --> 2:19:12.560
<v Speaker 2>kinds of.

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<v Speaker 4>Close Yeah, it was. It was. It was very exciting.

2:19:17.800 --> 2:19:18.520
<v Speaker 4>It was very exciting.

2:19:18.560 --> 2:19:20.160
<v Speaker 5>I think she and Bethany had worked together a lot,

2:19:20.280 --> 2:19:24.120
<v Speaker 5>and Bethany was super super cool and was loving what

2:19:24.160 --> 2:19:26.160
<v Speaker 5>we were doing and just barely said a word.

2:19:26.280 --> 2:19:29.640
<v Speaker 4>Was just like, yeah, it's awesome. And Bethany is a

2:19:29.680 --> 2:19:35.199
<v Speaker 4>director because I know her acting work. Bethany, she not acts.

2:19:35.640 --> 2:19:37.960
<v Speaker 4>She I don't know, maybe she did something I credit.

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<v Speaker 4>He was a legendary director. She's directed a ton of

2:19:41.000 --> 2:19:41.480
<v Speaker 4>no but.

2:19:41.440 --> 2:19:43.520
<v Speaker 2>She it's not her, but she looks like the Mom

2:19:43.560 --> 2:19:47.039
<v Speaker 2>and the Boss episode. That and the Nanny's Shaking episode.

2:19:47.040 --> 2:19:48.120
<v Speaker 4>So she does. She does.

2:19:48.200 --> 2:19:50.040
<v Speaker 1>She looks like her, but she looks like an actor

2:19:50.080 --> 2:19:52.560
<v Speaker 1>from a season three episode of She's.

2:19:52.400 --> 2:19:54.440
<v Speaker 2>The one that shook Maybe to death. I'm like, I

2:19:54.480 --> 2:19:56.760
<v Speaker 2>know her, but no, it's a fully different woman.

2:19:56.920 --> 2:19:59.720
<v Speaker 5>Okay, Now I listened to one episode of You Guys

2:20:00.000 --> 2:20:02.720
<v Speaker 5>podcast to sort of know what I was getting in,

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<v Speaker 5>and I just have to doff my cap to the

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<v Speaker 5>you know, extreme insanity and depth.

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<v Speaker 4>Of trying to make it fun. It's great.

2:20:14.240 --> 2:20:16.000
<v Speaker 5>And you know what else you guys do that's so cool.

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<v Speaker 5>It's You're the tightest two hour podcast.

2:20:20.600 --> 2:20:22.840
<v Speaker 4>It is. It's three podcasts in one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a recap and a true crime and an interview,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're really trying to keep it tight.

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<v Speaker 4>But sometimes it's like, wow, that was short two hours.

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<v Speaker 4>You guys are very It's like very it's somehow really

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<v Speaker 4>slick nice here.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's it's like really slick and and but also

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<v Speaker 5>like very.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that probably is for you know, hats off to

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<v Speaker 2>Casey as well.

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<v Speaker 4>He takes a lot of.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he takes out a lot of a garment. Bethany

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<v Speaker 1>Rooney has literally directed every show.

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<v Speaker 4>I've ever watched in my life.

2:20:54.720 --> 2:21:00.600
<v Speaker 1>She's a great Sisters picket fences like nine two one.

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<v Speaker 4>I just did. I just did an episode of Elsbeth that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like Lisa's favorite show, and you know it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Your episode's coming out two days after this podcast, so

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<v Speaker 1>everybody that's listening has to go watch Elsbeth.

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<v Speaker 4>With Blake and listen. Hey, I don't murder anyone. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not a boy.

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<v Speaker 5>Are you someone that think did something bad? I can't

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<v Speaker 5>say to you, Okay, but I'm not. I'm not a racist. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not misogynistic. I'm I'm like a normal I'm a

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<v Speaker 5>pretty normal guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Does anybody ever tell you, Blake that you look like

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<v Speaker 1>Pablo Schreiber you've gotten out before, of course, because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know another villain of like a I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. Like why you were so scary in

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<v Speaker 1>this episode to me is because you look like you

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<v Speaker 1>could be like his little brother. Like he is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the scariest serial killer psycho paths that the show's

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<v Speaker 1>ever had. He does this sort where he terrorizes Maurushka.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you've seen him.

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<v Speaker 5>I wasn't aware of it until I until I did this,

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<v Speaker 5>and then after the fact, you know, I was informed

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<v Speaker 5>by the what do you call like the SVU fans, Like,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know what you.

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<v Speaker 1>Call the SVU community, the murder officionados, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, whatever they are called. They let me know that

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<v Speaker 5>I was so much like him. Yeah, they thought I

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<v Speaker 5>was him, and then they were like, oh, it's like

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<v Speaker 5>it's going to be his brother. Like they thought I

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<v Speaker 5>was going to come back and it was going to

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<v Speaker 5>be a whole thing. I mean, people really locked in.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I thought I was so clever picking up on

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<v Speaker 1>the resemblance.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and it's the creepiness with both, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like eerie. You're the apprehension, the like the ease cockiness

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<v Speaker 2>of it all.

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<v Speaker 4>But and just the void behind the eyes no emotion.

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<v Speaker 2>But how do you how do you get shark eyes

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<v Speaker 2>like the whole thing about acting's emotions?

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<v Speaker 4>How do you like get void to have no none?

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<v Speaker 4>I have no idea. I don't know how it works.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know how. It's a mystery, but hopefully you

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<v Speaker 4>guys play brothers or dead.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to.

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<v Speaker 5>I have been a fan of his for a long time.

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<v Speaker 5>He's also like way bigger than me. He's like I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know how tall. He's like a tall, tall dude.

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<v Speaker 5>Are you on stage? He looks six four and just

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<v Speaker 5>like jacked. Yeah, I am not, but I'd love to

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<v Speaker 5>play his like you know, ne'er do well? Uh black

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<v Speaker 5>sheep brother.

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<v Speaker 1>His brother that's not as good at him as a

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<v Speaker 1>serial killing. You know, I've always been in your shadow.

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<v Speaker 1>You've always done it better than me, are you.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, do you do a lot of research or you?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, It depends on the thing.

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<v Speaker 5>If it's something that I don't have any background in

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<v Speaker 5>and feel like I really need to, I will. And

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<v Speaker 5>I love doing that, like when it's appropriate, and even

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<v Speaker 5>sometimes when it's not appropriate, I'll kind of get carried

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<v Speaker 5>away with it. But as I've gotten older, I tend

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<v Speaker 5>to just sort of, you know, I see the script

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm like, either I know what this is and

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<v Speaker 5>know what I'm doing, or I'm like, fuck, I gotta

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<v Speaker 5>like really dig into this. I did some serial killer

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<v Speaker 5>sort of you know, poking around when I was working

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<v Speaker 5>on this. I remember there was a movie I did

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<v Speaker 5>for the year before. I did this small part in

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<v Speaker 5>this movie called Tesla about Nikola Tesla with Ethan Hawk,

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<v Speaker 5>and I played the first man to ever be executed.

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<v Speaker 4>In the electric chair. William Kimler. Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>And it was a little two seen a cameo in

2:24:40.680 --> 2:24:44.359
<v Speaker 5>this really cool Michael Almereta movie, which I highly recommends,

2:24:44.360 --> 2:24:47.280
<v Speaker 5>a beautiful movie, and I just I didn't. It was

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<v Speaker 5>before I had kids and stuff and I had time,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was like, fuck it. So I like made

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<v Speaker 5>a pilgrimage to Buffalo, which was where he was living

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<v Speaker 5>when he murdered his wife with an with an axe

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<v Speaker 5>and then was put in prison and whatever. And I

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<v Speaker 5>went to the house where it happened, and I went

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<v Speaker 5>then to the Buffalo History Museum.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's called the Buffalo History Museum.

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<v Speaker 5>I walked up to the or the library, the history library,

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<v Speaker 5>whatever it was. I walked up to the desk and

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<v Speaker 5>there were these two lovely ladies there, and I said, hello,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm here to learn about William Kimmler.

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<v Speaker 4>And they were like to have fucking died. They were like,

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<v Speaker 4>at last, someone is here to know about mister Kimmler.

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<v Speaker 4>They took me to a microfiche situation.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, blunked down the transcript of this man's entire trial,

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<v Speaker 5>which was he was a fucking terrible alcoholic and he

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<v Speaker 5>didn't have a violent history, but his defense had tried

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<v Speaker 5>to get him off on alcoholic insanity, and so what

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<v Speaker 5>they did was they paraded every other drunk in Buffalo

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<v Speaker 5>across the witness stand to testify what a fucking crazy

2:26:05.640 --> 2:26:06.760
<v Speaker 5>drunk this guy was.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>I sat there for like four hours just reading story

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<v Speaker 5>after story about this guy, like trying to drive his

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<v Speaker 5>horse drawn carriage and jump over a brick wall and

2:26:17.280 --> 2:26:20.080
<v Speaker 5>just smashed into it and just crazy shit like this.

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<v Speaker 5>It was super fun. And when I did the when

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<v Speaker 5>I did the the days on the movie, I told Michael,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I went to William Kimmler's grave and poured

2:26:30.720 --> 2:26:33.760
<v Speaker 5>out whiskey at his grave. And it was such a

2:26:33.840 --> 2:26:37.920
<v Speaker 5>sweet thing to get to like share with Michael the

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<v Speaker 5>director because he had also like really, you know, knew

2:26:41.200 --> 2:26:44.520
<v Speaker 5>a lot about about Kimler and is a it's a

2:26:44.520 --> 2:26:46.800
<v Speaker 5>long story. This guy was a really interesting cap I

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<v Speaker 5>do love doing that stuff, but it's it's often not necessary,

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<v Speaker 5>and like I said, once you have kids, it's so

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<v Speaker 5>much harder to make that.

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<v Speaker 2>So just go to Buffalo to just go too and

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<v Speaker 2>want to off for three serial killer? Yeah, yeah, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>Elsbeth's is Elsbeth is coming up soon? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Any other days.

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<v Speaker 5>Everybody watched Blake on El Somber sixth Uh, you can

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<v Speaker 5>see me on Elsbeth with Lana Condor.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh I didn't.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't know before this, but I met her. We

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<v Speaker 5>have a we have a cool scene together. She is

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<v Speaker 5>the nicest person. And you know, someone tells you you're

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<v Speaker 5>going to do this scene with this person and they

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<v Speaker 5>have ten million Instagram followers.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh the summer? Is she summer? I turned pretty? Or

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<v Speaker 4>no to all the boys I've loved before.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, different generations.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I didn't know who she.

2:27:38.800 --> 2:27:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Was episode of SVU and I really wanted to get

2:27:42.040 --> 2:27:42.600
<v Speaker 2>one of the girls.

2:27:42.640 --> 2:27:43.720
<v Speaker 4>I was like, let's get this girl.

2:27:43.760 --> 2:27:45.400
<v Speaker 2>And they're like, that's Lily ryan Hart and she has

2:27:45.440 --> 2:27:46.640
<v Speaker 2>thirty five million followers and.

2:27:46.640 --> 2:27:50.440
<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh my god. Well, Lana is a dream.

2:27:50.520 --> 2:27:54.039
<v Speaker 5>She's terrifically talented and super super sweet.

2:27:54.080 --> 2:27:57.440
<v Speaker 1>So we had amazing why No Visa will be watching

2:27:57.480 --> 2:27:58.879
<v Speaker 1>and I will catch it as well. I need to

2:27:58.879 --> 2:28:01.400
<v Speaker 1>catch up on my Elsbeth And if you we'll do

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<v Speaker 1>one final question to wrap it up. If you were

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<v Speaker 1>to come back into the Dick Wolf universe, who would

2:28:05.959 --> 2:28:11.039
<v Speaker 1>you like to play hmmm, or.

2:28:11.040 --> 2:28:11.920
<v Speaker 4>Come back to a SVU.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like you've already been a serial killer, so

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<v Speaker 1>it'd be hard to make you like a fun loving

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<v Speaker 1>dad now, although they've done it before.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I mean, at this point, like longevity is the

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<v Speaker 5>thing I'm most interesting. Yeah, you know, I'd like to

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<v Speaker 5>be someone who survives and doesn't go to jail, or

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<v Speaker 5>you know, at least not immediately. I'd I'd love. What

2:28:35.320 --> 2:28:37.879
<v Speaker 5>I really like, what I'm really interested in right now

2:28:37.959 --> 2:28:43.600
<v Speaker 5>is playing just like morally compromised people, So not so

2:28:43.959 --> 2:28:48.360
<v Speaker 5>straight down the barrel of being a psychopath, but someone

2:28:48.360 --> 2:28:52.520
<v Speaker 5>who's morally compromised, caught in a in a terrible set

2:28:52.520 --> 2:28:57.680
<v Speaker 5>of circumstances and trying to navigate that over. You know, like,

2:28:57.760 --> 2:29:01.360
<v Speaker 5>hey guys, five to seven episodes, let's just uh, let's

2:29:01.360 --> 2:29:02.039
<v Speaker 5>just put it out.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that would be the dream.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just now, I just thought, maybe like a corrupt

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<v Speaker 2>a corrupt, like a nice arc.

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<v Speaker 4>Vibes your way.

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<v Speaker 2>Well before Kevin Kane became a serious regular, he said

2:29:16.160 --> 2:29:18.760
<v Speaker 2>he wanted to do it on this podcast, and it happened.

2:29:19.600 --> 2:29:21.480
<v Speaker 2>He was on like he was like in a trailer

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<v Speaker 2>and another job, being like I just want to be.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he's literally done sick.

2:29:26.160 --> 2:29:29.840
<v Speaker 1>He's in the credits now, Yeah, different characters on that show.

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<v Speaker 5>I would love so much to be a regular on

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<v Speaker 5>any of of the Dick Wolf shows that shoot in

2:29:36.400 --> 2:29:38.760
<v Speaker 5>New York and just live that life, you know, because

2:29:38.800 --> 2:29:44.000
<v Speaker 5>it's such a blessing to be around and make that

2:29:44.280 --> 2:29:46.520
<v Speaker 5>kind of money when you have a family, and just

2:29:46.600 --> 2:29:51.320
<v Speaker 5>the stability it would provide, like would just be I've

2:29:51.320 --> 2:29:52.280
<v Speaker 5>just never experienced that.

2:29:52.360 --> 2:29:54.720
<v Speaker 1>I could sort of see you on like a procedural

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<v Speaker 1>as like the kind of like maybe the tech guy

2:29:57.959 --> 2:30:01.560
<v Speaker 1>that the medical and like says, we your jokes or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>A couple of those.

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<v Speaker 1>I've gotten closer, you know, Like I've been watching Slow

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<v Speaker 1>Horses a lot lately. I don't know if you've watched

2:30:07.680 --> 2:30:10.119
<v Speaker 1>that at all, And like, you know how like I

2:30:10.160 --> 2:30:13.120
<v Speaker 1>hate him. I don't think you're hateable like him, but

2:30:13.280 --> 2:30:16.040
<v Speaker 1>somebody like him that's a little bit dorky, you know

2:30:16.080 --> 2:30:16.640
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>Totally, I could see you doing that. I would love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Not that you seem like a dork in real life.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about what I see in your range.

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<v Speaker 4>And how's your back, By the way, my back is good.

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<v Speaker 4>Think it's good. Okay, yeah, it's good tough surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I should be just an acting hype coach where

2:30:33.560 --> 2:30:35.199
<v Speaker 1>I just tell people what I think they could play.

2:30:35.200 --> 2:30:37.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm not actually helping you get better at acting. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just like, here are things I think you'd.

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<v Speaker 4>Be should be surprised that.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually I was about to say that is what my

2:30:43.320 --> 2:30:50.880
<v Speaker 2>acting good does. That was great. I'm like, yeah, I

2:30:50.920 --> 2:30:52.320
<v Speaker 2>need positive reinforcement.

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<v Speaker 4>Gold giving us so much time. Yeah, I got to go. Yeah,

2:30:58.760 --> 2:31:00.760
<v Speaker 4>you've got to go get your kids. It's two o'clock.

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<v Speaker 5>I really enjoyed it and enjoy meeting you guys. Good

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<v Speaker 5>luck with the podcast. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you ever see me? If you ever see me please?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah we will we do. Yeah, I mean, what a

2:31:18.000 --> 2:31:19.080
<v Speaker 4>great guy. Great.

2:31:19.280 --> 2:31:22.440
<v Speaker 1>I just I can't stop meeting serial killers who are

2:31:22.480 --> 2:31:25.920
<v Speaker 1>great in religious I really can't these guys. I'm like,

2:31:26.000 --> 2:31:28.039
<v Speaker 1>you're so scary. And then it's like, let's go have

2:31:28.080 --> 2:31:31.080
<v Speaker 1>a drink. But post mortem on this episode.

2:31:30.640 --> 2:31:33.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh, his twins, I mean to have a boy girl

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<v Speaker 2>twin after not being able to have a kid for

2:31:35.480 --> 2:31:36.200
<v Speaker 2>four years.

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<v Speaker 4>That's nice. I'm so happy for him and his wife.

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<v Speaker 2>Beautiful story, and I think he's a pothead, so obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>but no, him and Pablo need to do a job

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<v Speaker 2>and then he needs to be brought back as the Emmy.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said he's gotten close, so like we'll see,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, but a great performance, great understanding.

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<v Speaker 4>I like, I liked him. It was like very exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then post mortem on the episode, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I still like my idea of.

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<v Speaker 1>Like an app where sex workers can check in and

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<v Speaker 1>be geolocated by their friends, Like I need to invent this,

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<v Speaker 1>like I I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that could be used as evidence to

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<v Speaker 2>arrest people, like that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a government that like. But it so again,

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<v Speaker 1>it has to be like Signal encrypted. I haven't worked

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<v Speaker 1>it all yet out yet. I haven't met with my

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<v Speaker 1>investors yet. I'm still working on the deck. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just saying, like something we're like your friends could look

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<v Speaker 1>out for you, like and it's it's like by a

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<v Speaker 1>like the way Signal is encrypted, and like we're not,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I don't think, I don't know. There

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<v Speaker 1>has to just be a way for people to look

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<v Speaker 1>out for each other so that they because we just

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<v Speaker 1>do so many episodes where it's like sex workers, sex

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<v Speaker 1>work or sex workers, like these people that people like

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<v Speaker 1>that psychotic men just think, if I'm going to kill,

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<v Speaker 1>why not just do it?

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<v Speaker 4>Why not just do it.

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<v Speaker 1>To these people? And no one's gonna come check it out?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's I think, yeah, I think like all these dudes,

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<v Speaker 2>and I keep saying this but in different ways, but

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<v Speaker 2>like the killers and the cops just really it's like

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<v Speaker 2>the bad guys and the good guys all have the

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<v Speaker 2>same disdain or or like dismissive attitude towards women as people.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, yeah, yeah, my my.

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<v Speaker 1>A genre of Instagram reel that I've been interested in

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<v Speaker 1>lately is the only fans girls that are just like

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<v Speaker 1>talking to guys that are like judging them or or

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<v Speaker 1>are like I actually I can't date you, or or

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<v Speaker 1>like Christian girls something that they're bad and them just

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<v Speaker 1>being like bye, like I'm happy, I'm making so much money,

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<v Speaker 1>see you later, Like I don't know, I'm like loving that.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the guys that then get like there was

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<v Speaker 2>one guy, you know, the alpha dudes like within the

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<v Speaker 2>Tate universe, the show up fangirls, but yeah, that one,

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<v Speaker 2>I bet it's this guy. But a girl said something

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<v Speaker 2>that obviously triggered him, and he started screaming at her

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<v Speaker 2>and then he went and I'm not triggered, and I

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<v Speaker 2>would go, that's funny to yell I'm not triggered. You're

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<v Speaker 2>literally the most trigger Oh my god, did you see

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<v Speaker 2>the Jeff Die of it all?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Loser, You're a loser, Jeff Die.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're one of the nine hundred thousand people

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<v Speaker 2>that follow him on Instagram, please go on following.

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<v Speaker 4>Stop doing that. Stop doing that. He's not funny.

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<v Speaker 1>He's an enemy of every Yeah, terrible human. Okay, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>these rhymes are awful, Like what is the post Like?

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<v Speaker 4>Our post mortem is depressing because it's like.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, because it's like it can't be like watch

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<v Speaker 1>out for mummy guys. It's just kind of like watch

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<v Speaker 1>out for guys that are praying on the weakest members

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<v Speaker 1>or the most vulnerable members of our society, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people that have the least resources because we've criminalized you know.

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<v Speaker 4>What needs to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Our post mortems should be put on the end of

2:34:46.240 --> 2:34:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Joe Rogan's podcasts. That should be the new law, like

2:34:49.400 --> 2:34:52.120
<v Speaker 2>and all these podcasts like they should end with our

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<v Speaker 2>post mortem.

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<v Speaker 4>So maybe at the end rape can go down. Yeah, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>they just throw it in there. Yeah. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 4>I just I just read a thing that's like the

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<v Speaker 4>number one podcast again this year. I'm like, how how

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<v Speaker 4>like does it?

2:35:05.600 --> 2:35:08.360
<v Speaker 2>It's fine, It's like fine, be the number one podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>but then stop acting like you're not mass media and

2:35:12.600 --> 2:35:15.039
<v Speaker 2>being like mad at some other news coming. You know,

2:35:15.120 --> 2:35:17.920
<v Speaker 2>it's like acting like you're the underdog still and people

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<v Speaker 2>believing are just a guy because you eat elk.

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<v Speaker 4>It's very annoying.

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<v Speaker 2>I just watched an interview I think it was with

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<v Speaker 2>Patton Oswalt, and they brought him up and he goes, yeah,

2:35:25.840 --> 2:35:27.680
<v Speaker 2>he was just a guy I did comedy with, Like

2:35:28.959 --> 2:35:31.560
<v Speaker 2>it's he shouldn't be this, and then he goes, I

2:35:31.680 --> 2:35:33.720
<v Speaker 2>knew a guy. I took a class or something. He

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<v Speaker 2>knew a guy that was friends with al Ron Hubbard.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like, yeah, I knew him when he was

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<v Speaker 2>just writing books and kind of being chill, and then

2:35:40.160 --> 2:35:42.680
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden he's like in charge of a

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<v Speaker 2>full blown cult.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when he was just safe a fantasy fiction writer,

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<v Speaker 1>and now you never know, oopsy doopsy, I'm leading a cult.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I had a friend turned into a white nationalist.

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<v Speaker 2>You really don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, you don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>X F okay what they Let's move to what would

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<v Speaker 1>Sister Peg Do? This is a jumbo size episode. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for staying with us. Let's get to our what

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<v Speaker 1>would Sister Peg do? You guys know, this is our

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<v Speaker 1>weekly segment where we direct you towards some kind of resource,

2:36:13.480 --> 2:36:17.240
<v Speaker 1>a documentary, a book, an article, or maybe even a

2:36:17.320 --> 2:36:20.440
<v Speaker 1>charity organization where you can give to give you more

2:36:20.480 --> 2:36:22.480
<v Speaker 1>information about what we talked about in today's episode. And

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<v Speaker 1>obviously we just didn't have I don't have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of mummification references for you, but we do want to

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<v Speaker 1>point you to the short documentary Dollmaker The Anatoly mosque

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<v Speaker 1>Vin Story, which is about one of the cases Lisa

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<v Speaker 1>talked about today, the guy who made the dolls. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're interested in learning more, it's on Apple And if

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<v Speaker 1>you want any more information, you can go watch that

2:36:45.640 --> 2:36:47.760
<v Speaker 1>documentary if you want to know more about this very

2:36:47.760 --> 2:36:50.880
<v Speaker 1>fucked up case, and that will be linked in our

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<v Speaker 1>show notes and in a story and save forever.

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<v Speaker 4>In our WWSPD highlight on our Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how I didn't ruin everyone's night with the dolls.

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<v Speaker 4>Could have gone without seeing them.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I saw them and now that's it's pretty in

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<v Speaker 1>the group to yeah, say.

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<v Speaker 4>This is so audi.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't like an an auditory medium that if some

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<v Speaker 1>of you want to see the dolls, you can either

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<v Speaker 1>google it or go watch Dollmaker.

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<v Speaker 2>And next week we'll be doing a Misleader season one

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<v Speaker 2>episode seventeen, Get at It Season one, Baby back to

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning.

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<v Speaker 4>See you next week.

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<v Speaker 3>Dun Dun,